TrueLife - Anja Žibert - Imagine The Day When Everyone Has Their Dream Job

Episode Date: December 31, 2023

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Okay. We are solid. We're there. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, welcome, welcome back, back to the True Life podcast with Anya Zybird. Aloha, dear audience, friends and family and those watching, I hope that you are in. I hope you get your seat belts buckled because I've got an incredible show for you today. A beacon of transformation, a beacon of light in the realm of global HR and recruiting. a global beacon of light in the world, wherever she finds herself, just shining light on everybody. She's not your typical expert.

She's a modern ambassador of change, firm in her belief that our past experiences do not define us. It's the present and the potential we see for ourselves tomorrow that truly shape who we are today. Anya sees the world through the lens of connectivity, understanding that as human beings, we are intricately linked by the vibrational energies we emit. This philosophy led her to establish free spirit human capital, a company with a mission to empower HR professionals, teams, and job seekers with a holistic approach that transcends traditional human resources. With a focus on personal and spiritual growth,

Anya emphasizes that HR is not merely about resources, but about the profound relations and connections between individuals on a deeper energetic level. Her vision is clear to build a bridge between talents and employers, fostering long-term synergies based on mutual understanding and vibrational alignment. And ladies gentlemen, let me bring her on the stage right now. Anya, thank you so much for being here today. How are you?

Hello, good morning. Well, it's almost 10 past 8 a.m. at this side of the world. So I'm a little bit sleepy, but I'm like really like super pumped about this conversation. So and I woke up with a sore throat. And I was like, no, no, no. Here comes my medicine, you know.

I'm talking to George and like, oh, everything, what I'm doing. This is my medicine. And I really, wow. Like my energy really recharges, you know. I became, I mean, I usually I come or I get into a flow state when I'm talking about stuff that I'm doing. Oh, yeah. I'm great. Fantastic. Me too. I'm excited to talk to you. I think that you have some really amazing ideas about the way in which we attract ourselves to that which we do. And for so long, that seems to be a point of contention. I know that for me, it's really easy to get lost who you are and what you do. But it seems to me like before we dive into that, though, maybe you could give people a little bit of a background about who you were before you became who you are today.

Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, like when I, you know, when I look back, it's like I had like four or five different lives, completely different lives, you know, different locations, different people, different dreams. And I think that, yeah, usually I say that everything started in 2005 when I was, when I was in England, I live. lived in England for a while. And I got myself in the middle of like this crazy Twilight Zone style story, you know, where I was selling books door to door in England. Yeah, that was insane experience. It was an experience.

But I found out, like, I didn't understand what the hell was going on. But I found out that, you know, I could feel, like, intensely feel people around me, you know. And when I was selling books door to door, like it was really, really painful for me because, you know, I could feel everything what they felt. And, you know, when somebody knocks on your door and you open and you're not like, hey, hey, let's have a party. Yeah. You finally came, you know. And yeah, it was challenging time, but it was a milestone in my self-discovery. So that happened.

And one of the milestone was also when I was. when I was editing my MySpace profile, that's also one part of the story that it's super important. I was like in England, in Bristol when I lived, one evening I was just, you know, I was doing something on my laptop. I was actually editing my MySpace profile. You know, MySpace, yeah?

Yeah, of course. We've been all using MySpace, you know, and Tom was our first friend. Yeah. Yeah. So I was, yeah, I was editing my MySpace profile. And I was like, okay, well, you know, what should be my username? What should I present myself?

And then this voice came into my head. It's like, Anya, you're free spirit. I was like, hmm, that's nice. Let's be free speak with. I didn't know. I didn't have a clue what that means. But when I look back, like everything, like there were like milestones on like little cramps, you know, on my path.

So, you know, that started free spirit. just, okay, I'm your free spirit. And I was like everywhere where I was online, I was like, I'm a free spirit. I didn't even think about it. But then in 2011, I really felt that I would like to have a tattoo, free spirit. So I decided to have this big tattoo on my back,

which got like free spirit and, you know, like few symbols and stuff. And then 2020, I founded Free Spirit Human Capital Company, I can tell you the story how that happened, which was pretty crazy as well, you know. And basically, after I lost my last job, it was the middle of pandemic. So in 1st of April, yeah, in 1st of April, I lost, like, I got, you know, fired from my last job because of course, yeah, because the company, yeah, like, they close down because of the pandemic. everything. And at that time, I was, I think I was like a business development manager in a recruitment company. But I was also recruiting. But of course, you know, they wanted me do like their way. Yeah. Right. And I was like, yeah, okay, you know, I was like still in the box. And I was like,

I was thinking completely different, but I was still in the box. I got a mortgage. I have then it was, what, three years ago, a 60-year-old son. And, okay, my life was falling apart. But anyway, you know, I was still in the box. And, yeah, when I lost that job, then afterwards, I got a lot of other offers. But they all offered me like, oh, you want to be a little recruiter, you know, or sales, or a person or whatever. I was like, no, I don't feel that. And everybody were like, are you crazy?

you need a job just take it like no i don't feel it i'm not going to take it so it was you know it was really difficult because this inner battle and the world outside it was really pressuring me but there was i think it was july i know it was really hot and i was sitting at home just you know randomly browsing my phone i don't know i don't even know what i was doing it was just like i remember i still have that phone like it's right there in that drawer but it was a little like iPhone 7 you know like it was a small one yeah because now they are bigger ones but I was just I was in there and then suddenly I don't know like I found like I realized that I was in the notes you know like where you put the notes in and I kind of like I wrote all like the whole business model for me

my future company. There was also a name. It was a business model. There were prices. Like, they were like text. Like, what should I put on my website? And I was reading. And like, what the hell did I wrote? Like, when did I read, write this? Yeah. And I guess it was channeled. It was automatic, you know, because I don't remember writing it, but it was there. And it was a clear signal, you know, what do I should do? And everybody thought I'm crazy. Absolutely crazy. But I did it like a month later I opened my own company so I started free spirit human capital and most of the texts that are on my website it was you know from that moment so I mean that was you know like the official beginning yeah but I believe like even before like I said there were so many

like this breadcrumbs you know on my path but who I was before it was somebody like I wanted to be a perfect mom. I wanted to be a perfect, you know, partner. And everywhere I went, like, to work, I wanted to give 100%, but they wanted for me 150. I gave them almost like 150. They wanted 200. Yeah.

He gave them 200, you know. It was like, I almost died because I had like few burnouts. Yeah. And I didn't know how to set boundaries. I didn't understand, you know, what was my purpose. I just thought I'm here to. please people. Yeah, that was my, you know, previous life. And when I started, you know, like self-with self-discovery and it was not, we say like, oh, yeah, that was, you know,

that was crucial moment or everything changed. And I thought, oh, yeah, I know I will do this and then everything will change. But no, it was just a, you know, piece of the puzzle. So there was a change and then, you know, it just rejected me in some like different direction. So I was following that. So basically I'm following my intuition now. And I didn't know how to do that before. So it's mind blowing. Like I, my friend, what's up?

My friend Griggs over here, he's commenting. Like him and I, everything you're saying, both him and I have almost had, we had very similar paths to all three of us, both of us, both my friend and I left the company we were working for for reasons that were beyond our control. You know, I, I ended up leaving the same way. Like, I felt as if I was given like a hundred and 50. And they were like, we want 500. I'm like, I can't give you 500. I don't have it. And they're, you know, we parted ways. And when I look back on that change, you know, it was both liberating and frightening on some levels because all of a sudden you're faced with this

uncertainty. And in the beginning of your story, when you started saying, you know, it was both liberating, the world was pushing you to find this other thing or try to, the world constantly tries to fit you back into a mold. Like, hey, we've got this free thing over. We've got to put them back into a mold or you got to fit them in somewhere. But if you can resist that, I think that that is when a lot of the magic happens. Like you're forced to grow at that point in time.

You can either retreat back and try to fit into a place that you'll never fit in anymore because you were moved from that spot, whether it was your own doing or a bigger force or whatever you want to believe happen. Like you don't fit there anymore. The world's trying to convey to you, like, look, you've got a new spot and you got to figure out where you fit in. Yeah. They take you for granted because they're used to it.

You know, you always did it like this. Yes. So what the hell happened? Like, no. Like, you cannot say no. Like, we know that you're going to say yes. Yeah. That's exactly how it was.

There's a gas. How dare you tell me no. Who dare you? Yeah. You know? And it's like, no. The louder you get. and then the more offended they get.

And on some level, I think that they're afraid of the contagion. I think they're afraid that'll spread to everyone else. You know, and I hope it does. I hope more people stand up and say no. Yeah. Or, you know, usually it's like that. Like when you do something that is against their beliefs, like it's shaken up their beliefs, you know?

Yes. And this is like, this activates this primal fear. Yeah. So I think like now how I see people, how I see situation, you know, when I come into the company or whatever. And they, you know, they are starting to become, you know, like, oh, scared, like, oh, what the hell is going to happen? Or when I'm talking to leaders and, you know, they, they are like super, I don't know how to explain.

But, you know, there are a lot of people who are working on themselves and like, you know, trying to be spiritual. We are all spiritual in my people, by the way, you know, because we're just. spiritual beings. But the thing is, like, there are so many leaders, so many CEOs, whatever, they are going to retreats, you know, they're like spending so much money on their, like, personal and spiritual growth. But they do shit in companies, you know, for their employees.

And I was like, how the hell does that fit into this, you know, this reality that you are creating? Because if you, if you are working, all this. You are creating a ripple effect. And then when you come into your own company and you do not support people like with their spiritual and personal growth, then you are a hypocrite. Sorry. You know, then you are not what you are saying. You are.

And this is where I come in. But anyway, I just changed the topic. I love it. But yeah, it was. It's perfect. I think it's totally relevant. I think that a lot of people are feeling that right now. And, you know, we see the idea of people trying, I think it's always been with us, but this idea of trying to spend money to buy the newest thing for the idea of productivity.

You know, people are, people buy the idea of productivity, but they don't, they don't really want to do any of the work. You know, people at the top, not all the people, but it seems to me, whether you're at the top or at the bottom, it's really easy to blame the other side. And when we do that, we fail to do the work in ourselves. We fail to become the best version of ourselves. And if we're a leader, we have to be the best version of ourselves so we can inspire other people. And people will want to follow the way we're doing it. But you know what? You had mentioned a couple of things, right?

First off, when you were knocking on doors, you could feel the energy of people. And like I know that feeling. What is that? Is that the heart vibration? Is that like an aura? What do you think that is when you could feel the energy of the feeling? vibration of other people. Yeah, I mean, I'm also, I don't know if you're familiar with heart meth. Like, have you heard of HeartMet? HeartMath Institute. Yeah, okay, HeartMet Institute. Like, just

check it out. I will. It's amazing. It's a scientific, you know, it's a scientific company from California. Basically, they are, they have been researching magnetic field of our hearts and heart coherence for, I think, around 30 years now. And, um, and, um, I'm trainer. I'm trainer. I'm an official certified trainer for activating the heart of teams in the companies or in the groups. Because I was really, you know, drawn to do that and told to do that.

But anyway, like what I learned there is that every single person, you know, what is something that we really have in common, we have heart. Yeah? Yeah. So our heart radiates. the electromagnetic field that it's called, it can be called like porous, yeah. And in our electromagnetic field, we have our thoughts, our emotions, attitude. So basically it's like an imprint and everything, you know, that is within us. Yeah.

So we have this electromagnetic field around us. And when we come into interaction, like when we interact with other people, we of course, course, yeah, our electromagnetic field also interact. But all together, we are creating this amazing collective field, collective energetic field. So whatever happened, like for example, today, you know, even in quantum field, there is no location, there is no, there is no time, there is no location. So like, even if we are not physically together right now, I can feel your energy. Yeah. And people can definitely feel the energy that we are radiating. Right.

But just, and for example, for empath, yeah, empath, that means that, okay, like based on human design or whatever, like it really doesn't matter what kind of, how I say, like foundation, you know, to explain something you use. But empath, that means that you have this solar plexus. Right. It can be chakra or like energy center or whatever. It's open. So basically you are really open for other people, you know, to feelings,

but you also are very open with emotions. So it's really challenging if you are like that and you don't understand what the hell is going on because you feel things that are not yours. and this is really, really powerful when you get this self-awareness and you understand a lot of stuff and it's like, oh, shit, you know, this is not mine. So when I was knocking on doors

and when people were opening doors and I could feel that anger or, and basically, you know, like, I mean, when I was, oh my gosh, because one part when I was working, when I was knocking on doors, it was really an industrial part of the town. So it was very very, very, I mean, I really don't want to, I'm all, you know, unity or whatever, but yeah, we live in the world.

Like, we live on planet Earth, you know, there are a lot of differences also in status. I mean, like in income. So it was a low income area. Yeah. So whenever, whenever I, you know, knocked on the door, it's like when somebody opened, you would see that there had like one million things on their mind. And, you know, maybe there's like, I don't know. a single mom taking for, you know, about her baby, or there's this guy, he just woke up because he worked a night shift, whatever, you know. And it was absolutely surreal. Like,

so much I felt like, why am I feeling like this? You know, it was so, so, so exhausting. And I, yeah, after a month, I mean, after three weeks or something, my body started, you know, showing also like signs and I got seizures and I got sick and I didn't understand. I was like, this is not the place where I should be. But it was very powerful. It was very powerful. And I think I had to go through that just to experience, you know, just to experience. I mean, there were a lot of different experiences.

There were a lot of different situation where I also, you. you know, I felt, oh my God, like this really, really intense negative emotions from other people. Right. But this is, yeah, this is one of the stories that I'm sharing now publicly. Where did the awareness come from? Like, first off, I think that it makes so much sense. You know, I was just showing my kid the other day.

Like, we had these magnets and I'm like, what is that? Like, when you put the opposite poles, like you can feel the polarity. Like, what is that? But as soon as you started talking about the heart magnetic, you know, the magnetic resonance or the magnetic electromagnetic field, which we carry, it makes so much sense because obviously you would be a track that or you would be repelled. And you can feel that the same way you can feel the two magnets, the same way as the feeling you get with other people, or at least I do.

And I, where was the awareness at for you, though? At what point did the awareness come in like, this isn't mine to carry? This is somebody else. Like, that's a pretty mind-blowing thing. How did you figure that out? I mean, at that point, definitely not. That was like in 2005, yeah. I was in this mindset, okay, this is my job.

I have to do it no matter what, you know. I cannot fail anyone. I cannot disappoint people. I have to prove, you know, that I can do it. It's like, Jesus Christ, it was really, you know, there was a lot of pressure. And I had no idea about awareness, about anything. anything, like what the hell is going on. Yes. That came later.

Yeah, that came later. I think, like, one of the biggest milestones in that way, it was 2017 when I first went to past life regression. Okay. And I went there with few, you know, just general questions. Oh, you know, why my boyfriend doesn't love me or, okay, why I have, like, such a weird relationship with my grandparents, whatever, you know, stuff like that. But no, I got like really, really, really profound answers and experiences. And I saw myself when I was, really, I actually saw myself as a Native American. I was a Native American woman. And I saw myself committing suicide.

And I saw the whole process. Then I went to like, you know, we're going to touch this topic. anyway, like life, you know, between lives, so what happened there? And I got really, really, really clear message that at that time I didn't understand. Actually, like, it, you know, my life started crumble after that. But, you know, at that point, everything, what I was doing in my life, because I was brought up as this nice, kind girl, you know, I was super successful. in elementary school, then in high school,

like my rebellious side, it came, you know, it came up, like, really, it was really, really obvious. So the world rejected me then. And, you know, I was, that was pretty tough also for me, because I didn't want to be in the box in high school already. And I got, I had to go through some really difficult situations. So they put me back in the box by, yeah, by the end of high school or something. something like that. It was it was kind of yeah, it was difficult for my young soul back then.

But what I was trying to say is like when you are yeah, when you are on this self-discovery path, you know, it's not only roses and sunshine. It's never, it's never roses and sunshine. It's like when you, when you get one information, it trembles. It like shaked up. like everything who you used to be. So I was this really good girl in my world. I wanted to be good for my parents. I wanted to be good for my friends. I wanted to be good for everyone around me, you know,

because, of course, we all have that, most of us, we carry that shit around, you know, from our young childhood, like inner child. Oh, you know, you were lacking that, this, this, this, whatever. So basically that was my world. And I wanted to please everyone around me. Because if I make other people happy, then I'm good. Yeah.

So that was my belief. And in that, when I went life after, like I liked between lives, I got this message from my guides or whoever they were. Yeah. I don't know who they were. but the thing was that it's, um, ania, it's not sustainable. It will not, it will not go, you know, you cannot continue like this. Yeah.

You cannot. So first of all, you need to realize something. You cannot be happy for other people, you know. It's like, like you cannot make other people happy if you are not fulfilled. And this kind of this was the message because it was like, oh, if I'm happy, you know, if I make other people happy, then I'm happy. No, it doesn't work like that. You have to first fulfill yourself. You have to be the center of happiness.

And then you radiate whatever. Like it doesn't matter. You cannot influence. You cannot change people. You cannot make them happy. But you can be who you are. You can radiate their happiness. and then they decide, you know, like what they want to do with it.

And yeah, now it's like, I'm happy. I can show you how easy it is to be happy. And then, you know, I can show you that. Like, do you want me to show you? Cool. Like, I'm here. I can do that for you. But it's not like I'm, it's not like conditioning anymore.

You know, there's no more conditioning. Like, oh, I want to see, I'm miserable now, but I want to make. you happy, I want to see the smile on your face, then I'm going to be happy. No, it doesn't work like that. Yeah. It has to be vice versa, like, you know, I'm on top of the world, not always, of course, but I am what I am. I found this, this magic recipe. I can share that with you. Like, would you like to have it? Would you like to have it? Cool. But then, of course, I feel even more fulfilled when that actually happened. Like after this realization,

I can tell you, George, like you lose your identity. Like seriously, when somebody's saying, hey, for the last, I don't know, 34 years or whatever, you've been living the wrong way. Now it's time to change. Now you have to live the other way, you know, like just switch the concept. It's like, how?

How can I do that? I have no idea. So it was like, from 2017, it was a fucking, you know, it was a walk. Yeah, it was a walk not among roses and sunshine, but it was like that, you know, true dark night of the soul. Yeah. But it was a, it was a rewarding journey.

Absolutely. I ended my relationship, you know, I lost my house. I, a lot of friends like left. my life. Then at some point, I completely, completely lost contact with my parents because they couldn't accept who, you know, like what I did,

like when I finished my relationship and everything, you know, like all the decisions that I was following my intuition. I was scared. I was really, really scared. But I did it anyway. But now everything is building, oh my God, even in better ways.

that I could have ever imagined. So I know that I did the right thing. But at some point, I was really, really, really exhausted. I was like, can you please now give me a break? Yes. I did everything. I did everything. Yes.

When you do something good. And then you see like, okay, now, you know, now it's going to be like, this is, like this is the breaking point. And something, you know, happens like, shit. And, you know, what was what I also learned? And that was also the message that when some situations are repeating. And with me, it was like I found myself in a situation that I needed money or, you know, like something. Because when I left my house, which was, you know, super modern and luxurious life and blah, blah, blah.

And I moved into this small, small, small apartment. And I, you know, I left everything to my ex-partner. And I started from scratch, from like scratch. And we, like, I was working, I was working hard on myself. Yeah. Also to, you know, to remain good friend with my ex. So we can have a very respectful relationship. Yeah, because of also because of my son, but also because of us, yeah.

Yeah. And because I want to show to the world. that it's possible to have that. And yeah, but the thing is that I always, you know, when I was this kind of position, some opportunity came that, you know, brought a lot of money with it, but I would have to sell my soul.

I would have to somehow bend my own values and beliefs of whatever. And I was like, no, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. And, you know, people who are like around is like, Anya, this is repeating, you know, there's a pattern. Like, there's something that there's a lesson that you should learn. But no, I was still doing it.

And the thing is that I got again, you know, like the voice in my head, intuition, whatever, the guides. They're like, no. Like, when you are repeating something, when you are repeating a skill, you become a master. So, you know, this is a different perspective of, failure or whatever. And yeah, it was pretty fascinating. So I accepted that. I was like, okay, I never thought it like that.

So I accepted bringing on, you know. Let's do it. I love it. I, for those people listening to this, if you're listening to this, this is probably either happened to you or very well could happen to you. And it's, how do you describe the feeling of

of embracing that inner voice or your guides or listening to your heart when you're constantly offered a ticket back to the place you were. Like sometimes that temptation will come like, oh, how about here, here's an opportunity to go right back where you were. Would you like that? And you have to turn it down. Like, because you know it's wrong. But like everyone around you's like screaming like,

just what are you talking about? Why just take it back? You can have it all back. And you're like, I want it. It's like a test. I think that the world is testing. You like, you want it now? How about now?

How about now that you're crying in your bedroom on your knees because you're going to lose everything, now do you want it back? The answer is no, I don't want it back. I want to be better. And that's when I think the world begins to build a new foundation for you. But it tests you.

And why shouldn't it test you? It should test you because otherwise you're not ready. Like you have to listen with both ears to that voice and be like, okay, yeah, I am scared of my fucking mind about this. Yeah, I can lose everything. Yes, okay. And I've made peace with it. I'm still scared of it, but I'm going to keep walking towards this thing that I love.

And it's going to be better. Like, you have to, you have to rebuild the way you think about your life. Like, how do you know, it's first off, thank you for sharing that. I think it's beautiful and it's wonderful. And I hope that more people get to do it, right? Like, it's kind of a, it's a cool story to get to tell about yourself and your kids. Okay, so here's, here's my question. all of my ranting here. Okay, here's my question. Do you think that looking back,

you were being taught for 30 years or 25 years, this is what it looks like. You want to make everyone else happy? Okay, go ahead. See if you can do it. You know, and it's a test, right? And you tried with all of your heart to make everybody happy, but you couldn't. Was it a test? Looking back, how do you look at it? Was it a test? Or how do you see it? Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't know if you're, yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with human design. Like, have you heard of human design before? I got to study it because I've heard a little bit and the more I hear about it, the more I'm being pulled to investigate it. So maybe can you help me out? Maybe you can teach me and see what I mean? We're not going to, yeah, we cannot like, I don't want to go like really

because it can be quite complicated, but, but I just started working with this amazing company, human design, AI, which is combining human design and artificial intelligence. It's absolutely amazing. So whoever is listening to this, I really recommend you to check out this site. It's human design AI. Okay. Okay. Yeah, human design AI. And we have created, I mean,

you know, like our expert have created this AI assistant, Bella, which is a grandmother, you know, ancestors, like they have a lot of wisdom. So basically like whatever, when you create your own chart based on your birth data and when you create your own chart and you have no idea what the hell you know is saying like you can ask Bella you can ask everything about your chart and you have amazing information that you can use for your life exactly in this moment because human

design it gives you so much clarity it gave me so much clarity and one of the things it was also my profile, which is, first of all, type is generator. That means that my sacral energetic system is defined. That means that I have unlimited access to my creative life energy. So whenever I work, whenever I do something that I really, really like, that is connected to passion, that it fulfills me, I generate extra energy for the world as well. You know, that, and that was super cool because I really, you know, I found myself in that. But people who don't know that they are generators, they know that they can work a lot.

And usually they do in companies, but they don't know how to set boundaries. You know, they just think, oh, I can work a lot. I can do this. I can do this. Yeah. Would you like to have another project? Yeah, you know, I'm not tired. I can do this.

But, you know, like the really the biggest lesson it is that they learn or we learn. how to set boundaries. And my profile is 3.5, which means it's like a Phoenix. Yeah. It's like raising from the ashes. So experimenting with life. So falling a lot of times. But every time when we rise up, we have more wisdom.

And we are here to share this wisdom with the world. And so my life is a lot of failures. I mean, failures, you know, in an earth sense of like 3D way of thinking. Right. So basically, you know, I had a lot of times, like my dreams were shattered because I had a lot of different dreams and, you know, they were shattered. But like through that transformation, through that realization, I thought, no, I have, you know, something else exists.

Like, you know, I got like this clear pathway to different dreams, which were even bigger, but they were not in my area of awareness before. You know what I mean? So basically when my soul is expanding, when my consciousness is expanding, also the field of opportunities and what I see is possible is expanding. So I'm super grateful.

And everything what I went through in the past is definitely now, you know, piece of the puzzle, also in this story, the wisdom that I'm here to share. Yeah. it's the cosmic joke. I'm sure that there's got to be some force bigger than we can possibly.

Maybe us ourselves looking down. We are, but we also decided that, you know. I'm pretty sure because we are here to expand. We are spiritual beings in human bodies. That's the fact because everything what I experienced, everything what I saw, also in past life regression, also afterwards, you know, I had a lot of experiences. This is really my way.

way of living now. It's not like I believe. It goes so beyond that, you know, I am. This is the way I am today. This is the way of, you know, how I live. And it's embedded at me. This is like I embodied everything what I'm saying already. So basically, it's, yeah, it's, I don't know. People, you know, they need to understand that we really are spiritual being in human form. And we are here to experience. We are here to experience emotions. We are here to experience different situations. We are here to experience relationships.

And also we are here to experience duality. You know, how can we see, yes, body is the soul vehicle. Yes, of course it is. And the thing is that we are here to experience different things and how can we know what is good if we don't know what is bad? How can we know what is dark if we don't know what is light? How can we know, like, when we are happy, we don't know when we are sad? You know what I mean?

It's like we are here to experience that so our soul can expand because we are here for the expansion of our soul. I really, really, I know that, you know, based on my experiences, based on everything, I know I can share that. If somebody resonates with that, take it. Like, take bits of pieces of today's conversation and use it in your way. If you don't resonate that, like with that, I don't, you know, that's absolutely fine. Like, there is no judgment or anything. You have your own truth and I respect that.

I really came to a point. I really respect everyone, truth, everyone. But this is the way how I live, and I want to be who I am. And since I'm being who I am, I truly being who I am, it's paying off. My life is becoming this crazy Star Trek fairy tale that I have never imagined. But yeah, we're here. And this is probably the reason that we are talking, you know, and the octopus movement and everything, we just hang each other.

Yeah. It's uncanny the way in which our stories align. So many of us. You know, when I started listening to people, I'm like, man, I think of that Roberta Flack song where strumming my pain with his fingers. Like it's the same story that's happening to us. And oh, my God, you used to do that to people? that's what I do to people.

Like it's so weird to think that there's, maybe it's not weird to think, but it's comforting to know that there's others out there that are realizing a similar path and finding the same treasures that you're finding and picking them up and looking at them and trying to make sense of them. And it's so rewarding to know

that there's other people out there that they're doing that. And you could find them. Like they're probably, what's that old quote that says what you're seeking is seeking you? I found that one to be pretty comfortable too, right? What you manifest, you know, it's already manifested. Like what you want to get, what you already see in your mind or in your heart,

it's already manifested in some parallel reality. You just have to align this vibrational frequency. And if it's really, really, if it's really coming from the heart, not only from your mind, then it's going to happen sooner or later. And I know, I mean, You had conversation with Shanasia. Yeah, I love her. She's so awesome.

She's amazing. She's absolutely amazing. So how we met. Okay, let me tell you this story. So I was on a way here in Slovenia and I was in a way to this lake and I was in a car for like two hours. And I was listening to her. She was a guest at one podcast. Elizabeth April.

Do you know her? Like, have you heard of her Elizabeth April? She's pretty cool chick as well. I want to bring. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she's like she has this, I would say, like, Galactic Federation and, you know, alien. She's a channeler, so she's channeling Galactic Federation and she's a remote viewer, really, really sharing profound information for humanity.

She's playing super important role in raising collective consciousness. So basically, I was in my car and I was listening. listening to this conversation, you know, listening super fascinating woman. Okay, cool. But then, like, at first she was this, like, you know, she was discussing and explaining her story. First is as an engineer. And then, I was like, okay, yeah, that's really fascinating.

And then she started with, you know, that she's a quantum spiritual coach. And I was like, and something hit me. I was like, oh, my God. you know, like you can really, there's a person that lives in both worlds and combining both what I'm doing in a way. Because I'm also like, you know, combining this HR world or business world with the spirituality. Yeah. So when I was listening to this conversation, I was blown away.

And this voice came into my head. It's just like, you got to meet her. It's like, how? I'm nobody. How can I meet, you know, like this superstar, super important person? No, you got to meet her. You have to find a way. So I actually like, I think it was a day later or something.

I was like, okay, I'm going to check if she's on LinkedIn because LinkedIn is my main platform to communicate. And I have, you know, a few content there and stuff like that. And I sent her a message. Like, listen, I was listening to this podcast. I think it's absolutely amazing. And yeah, like really, really cool content. And I respect for everything. I respect you for everything what I heard.

Yeah, let's connect and, you know, empower each other and raise collective consciousness together. And then one thing led to another. And we, okay, we met on Zoom for a short chat. Yeah. And it was instant connection. It cannot even describe, but when we started exchanging our energies, it was like we recognized each other from somewhere else, like, you know, previous life or whatever, whatever. But it was instant connection.

So I was like, oh, my God, you know, like, this is amazing. And she was like, yeah, this is amazing. That's how we met. And now we have all this crazy stuff together. You know, we also have this as, just ask one podcast and we are chatting. We are talking about, you know, our experience. And we are sharing the wisdom with the public. We are creating super cool programs together.

And I was like, oh, God, you know, like, so I know somebody from NASA. She's a rocket engineer. And she's also a quantum spiritual coach. Yeah. And, but the thing is, like, she's not the only one. I have a lot of amazing people around in my life. So when I make a review of my life, like, what has happened? Oh, my God, I could either, I don't know, like write a book or make a movie out of it.

Like, what is possible? Yeah. But the thing is also that I want to show people that I can connect you to all these people. Like everything is, you know, like everything what I have, you can have. And that's why I'm here. I want to bring this world to you because this is possible. Yeah. And yeah, let's see how it unfold.

But it's been magical, man. It's been really magical. It's fascinating, too, to see that journey. And I think there's the time we're at, too. Like, it's so amazing to build online. Like, everybody can see your journey on you. Like, everybody can see. see it happen. Like it's so, it's so fresh. It's like the fresh tracks of people who go skiing. Like, you still see them. You know what I mean? On some level when I know when I was growing up and I would read history, but it's like, wow, I wonder what it's like to be that person. And you're like, oh, well, you just come up with this fantasy. And we still do it. Like, oh, they probably had that. They probably got this thing. But every now and then you would read a biography about someone who made it themselves. Wow, that person actually did it. Like they started here and now they're over here.

But like, right, we're seeing it in real time right now. Like your story is a real time version of someone who's done it. And it's so inspiring because I think other people can see it in real time. And that's the beauty of building online and the time we're in. I'm sure other people could see it with their friend groups. But maybe you could speak to this idea of the transformation that we're in. Just the fact that it's happening so fast. Like, what do you think about this sort of transition that we're in right now?

Is it because we're moving into a query? or is it because the Earth's magnetic pole is shifting? Or is it just a consciousness that we are going through as individuals? What is this transformation we're in? Maybe you can talk about that. I mean, we definitely can talk about that. But I think it started a while ago. I don't know.

I wasn't really, you know, diving deep into this information. But I think it was around 2012, 2012. Right. Yeah, I think so. But like the main shift. it happened in pandemic in 2020. That was the breaking point for a lot of people because a lot of people started asking themselves,

who am I and what am I doing here? This is, you know, when people start asking this, like I call it and a lot of people call it spiritual awakening, but a lot of people, they don't want to use this word, but they are going through spiritual awakening process, even if they, you know, they don't want to talk about it. Yeah. They are rejecting the idea or whatever because it doesn't fit in their reality, but it's happening.

And when I'm talking to people, when I'm when I'm supporting people, when they are looking for new career, when they are thinking, like when they don't don't know how to present themselves, whether they don't know, oh, I've been working in a bank for the last 20 years, I don't feel like working there anymore. What the hell is my option? So that's where I come in because what I'm doing also, I'm helping people who are going through spiritual awakening process. Right. You know, to integrate that energy part of the, you know, human existence, like that, that spiritual being that is within them or they are, you know. Yeah. Like I helped them integrate that with their expert being. So whatever they did in 20, 30 years or whatever.

of their existence, like this working experiences, yeah, this is like their expert being in the potential that they carry, like either that they were employee or they were doing it for hobbies or whatever, but they know something. They have so much wisdom and they have so many skills. They don't even realize it. So when I integrate that with their soul talents, with their energy being,

when I take them to this path of self-finding, discovery. And I, you know, I helped them combine everything. You know, they're like, oh my God, you know, okay, this is who I am. This is what I know. This is why I'm here. But a lot of people when I think like even before pandemic and now until, yeah, I would say like from 2020 to now or like even before, like, you know, they were working on themselves already. Like, whether they went through some very traumatic experience or, you know, they lost their job or whatever, whatever. But the challenge, what I see is that people are going to workshops, they are reading

books, they are listening to podcasts, but they don't know how to put that thing in action. Yes. Because the thought, you know, it needs to have, first of all, this thought, the wish or whatever, it needs to have emotional charge. It needs to be emotionally charged. But it also needs to be followed by an action step. And people really don't do that action step. Like they don't know how to do it or they are afraid. Yes.

So it's like, and whenever I start talking to people, it's like, it's like, it's like, it. they were like, oh, I already know that. I already know that. It's like, yeah, in theory. So, exactly. So why are like, I'm not pushing them. It's just like I'm just showing them, you know. I know, I know you are.

Because I know that you are super wise. I know that you know everything. But for God's sake, you have to do something. Yeah. Like you cannot present yourself to future employer or to the world, you know, based on your past. because past version of you, it doesn't exist anymore. If you went through personal transformation,

if you went to career transformation or whatever, spiritual transformation, past version of view does not exist anymore. So you cannot present yourself on LinkedIn, on CV or whatever. You cannot present yourself like that. For example, my ability is also that I can feel the energy of written things. I can feel the energy of LinkedIn. I can feel the energy of even. I can feel the energy of job at, of CV.

You know, that's my ability. And I see where there is no energy match when I meet this person and when I, you know, how is he or she presenting to the world? And it's quite fascinating, you know, when you go on this level, what you can discover and how you can actually do things. Yeah. it makes me excited for the future. If we look at it, like, there's just things that happen.

I just got funded for this company that I'm building by a VC company called Awake. And like, what are the chances of that happening? You know what I mean? Congratulations. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. But like just the hints are all around us.

Like the hints that there's a bigger force working. Like, what a chance is the company to be called awake? You know, it's like, oh, it's spiritual awakening. Like, when you begin seeing the patterns, they're everywhere, right? Like, oh, that totally makes sense. I can see that pattern. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. And I do.

I like what you said. I know that maybe you're not the person pushing people out of the plane, but I think the world will push you out of the plane when you're ready, right? Like, there's that old saying. And we are here to support them. This is our message. You know. The first ones over the wall.

They are not alone. They are not alone. Like my message is, or what am I also? What are you doing? We are all creating this psychological safe space. Yep. For people to show up who they really are. Yes.

And we are spiritual beings. We carry inner wisdom. We carry this amazing abilities. And now this time when the frequency of the world, you know, is also changing. a lot of people, they're unlocking their abilities. And they don't know what the hell is going on. Especially if you're a part of the company that is putting you in a box and it's like, oh, shit, I see aura of my boss.

You know, how the hell can I explain that? Yeah. Like, in my world, this is possible. You are talking about this also in working environment because you are allowed to be who you are. You know? Yeah, I do. Yeah. It's, you touched on when people come to you.

Like it's, it is scary to do something for 40 years, whether you're a bank teller or a truck driver. If you've done something for 30, if you've done something for 10, 15, 20, 40 years, all of a sudden your identity is wrapped up in what you've done. That's kind of a, that's a difficult not to untie, right? Like, how do you have? help people do that? Well, first of all, they need to realize that past does not define them or us. It doesn't, you know, like it's a huge part of us. It's a huge part of our transformation. You know, it really, it really is a piece of the puzzle, but it does not define us. It has not, especially what we are doing, it does does not define us. But in the world that we live in,

we are so used to put stickers on our forehead. So I, like, who are you? Oh, I am a CEO of this company. No, you are so much more than that. So I was like, oh, I am, I don't know, marketing manager. Like, I've been marketing manager for 20 years. Of course I'm a marketing manager. No, you're not.

Like, if somebody takes away that from you, you know, like who you are. And people, they are lost. They are lost when they don't. have these titles that when they they cannot identify with something from outside they are completely lost and um i'm i mean i'm very gentle you know like with providing this information or like with supporting them but in a way i'm super straightforward i really i i i don't like you know fluff or just like just you know right to do it like i can guide you because that's why i'm a mentor or i'm a i'm a i'm a i I'm not certified coach, but I'm a mentor and I'm a trainer.

Yeah, I call myself that. I mean, yeah. So basically what I'm doing, I'm really supporting people based on practical experiences. And I show them how to do this practical stuff. Because, okay, theory is one thing. But I'm all about action. I'm all about action. And I think when you mentioned before, you know, we are not pushing people.

No, we are creating this psychological safe space. absolutely and what I believe and what I see and how I feel you know things are going is like whoever there are a lot of people that they already realize who they are yeah they already realize their inner power you know they they know that they have power for change but they are still afraid to do it it's not going to be easy for them yeah it's really not because this inner battle like the soul is going to be louder and louder. Voices are going to be louder and louder.

And it's not going to be easy. Like you have to take the step into unknown. You have to. That's why we are here. So what is also one thing? I mean, it is scary. It is scary. But when you think about, you know, we are like we started,

we are emitting energy. So how I'm doing, also in the company, it's like your vibe attracts your tribe. So more authentic you are, like the vibe that you are radiating, then you're going to attract the right people. You're going to attract the right, you know, circumstances. You're going to attract your tribe sooner or later. And you are going to attract your support system.

So they will accept you and they will support you in your, in this, you know, also spiritual development journey. And it's going to be so much easier. But people, like, that cannot happen if they are not ready to show themselves. You have to show who you are. Like, you have to express yourself so that energy can be felt. You cannot expect, you know, to close yourself, I don't know, in some small room. And then, okay, let's.

listen to a lot of podcasts and attend online workshops, read books, and then wait for magic to happen. It will not. Because you have to interact. You have to share this wisdom. You have to share this energy. Whatever we get, we get to share. Yes. That is, you know, that is the whole point. And yeah, it's definitely not the right way anymore to push in any way or shape or form, you know. Right, right. But it's more attract or create because expecting, and we have to realize something that everyone has their own journey. Also, people around. us, we are on different levels of our journey and everyone can decide about their own journey. We cannot drag them, you know, to some direction that we want.

We cannot expect them to change like their bosses or, you know, business partners or employees or whatever. No, but you have to be the most authentic version of yourself and then you see how people around you react, you know, and then all the clutter can go away. And yeah, that's the way how I'm doing it, also in my personal life and in business, in my own company and also in companies that I'm helping. I love it. You're great at it.

And I knew you had mentioned earlier about being a mentor. I think that, you know, there's really cool things that people can get certified at or they can go to school and learn. but there's also certain things that only develop inside of you. And these comes from lived experience. And there's no substitute for it. I don't care how long you go to school. I don't care what certificate you have.

If this thing that you're really good at develops inside of you, then you can teach people about it. But you can't until then. You can learn about it and you can read about it and you can pretend about it. But when something inside of you develops, that's the gift. And that's when you become a mentor. You know, and I think for a long time in our society, we have maybe because it was easier,

or maybe because we love people so much or we don't want to feel hurt. You know, it probably comes from a good place, but we have decided that you can get a certification about something without actually having to go through it. And I think we're starting to see the end of that now. It's like, hey, that was, that was beautiful. But the truth is, you got to learn the hard way. And that's the lived experience. And it is hard and it's scary.

But it's also beautiful. It's also beautiful to be part of that. that transition and to know what you're capable of. And I hope more people find the, the little gift that's left outside their house, the trail of flowers and they follow it, you know, they smell the roses and they start following that, that trail that may seem a little dangerous or forbidden, but they can't, they father glued to it and they keep walking out to it because that's, that's the path. You know, when you get on the path, it's calling to you. And I, I love that you said that.

I think that I know a lot of coaches, but I only know a few mentors. You're one of them. It's beautiful. Thanks for bringing that out. Yeah. I mean, I don't have many certificates. I mean, I only have one, which is for heart math, activating the heart of themes. Because I was never called, you know, into this spiral.

Oh, you have to have this certificate, you know, so people will value you and you have this and this and this. or oh, I want to be this coach or whatever. No, I was never, I don't see things like that. Like whoever had like, perfect. That's their journey. But for me, I don't care about certificates. I really don't care. They don't mean anything to me.

But with the heart map, I just wanted to have this activating the heart of teams program. You know, it's self-experatory anyway. So basically, so what you're doing, like, you know, like how does this work? I can tell you. It's just, you know, when you see the company, you don't see the company as a group of people, but you see as a group of energies. Because we are all interacting on this level.

And when you bring down to this human level, I don't care if it's a CEO or like the owner of the company who's generating eight figure or nine figure or whatever, you know, it doesn't matter. Right. Or she is a human being. So when you go to this level, there are completely different rules

and I prefer these rules than the other ones you know so I'm not yeah I'm not success chaser or you know in that way that we were taught or like most of the people are still doing but I'm living in a little bit different world and I see a lot

people that are following this path that they don't have to hustle they don't have to yeah they don't have to be or create hierarchy and like this systems that people are

yeah that people are not allowed to be human they're like systems of unhappiness like so much of hustle culture on some level so much of trying to climb to the

top of the ladder only to find the ladders up against the wrong wall. You know, it's like, oh, man, I climb this. I mean, you know, it's their way. It's their way. It's their way. I'm just showing it can be done differently. So, yeah. So, like, I never, I never had a company that, you know, that was generating like eight figure or whatever.

It's like, okay, why? I probably, some decisions that I made in my past, they could probably live me there. you know, but in a, I wasn't, I wouldn't, it wouldn't be aligned with who I am today. So I know now and everything, you know, all the messages that are coming to me, I can honestly say, I believe I am on a way to generate eight figures, but in my way. Right. Yeah? In a way that some people, they have absolutely no idea it's possible because they think it's, it's, it's,

utterly impossible, but I see, I already see what is possible. And I know that this heart-centered business and attracting customers, not pushing them or like, you know, for example, like if we can touch this digital marketing and growth hacking and all the manipulation and everything, you know, this is so, so far away from everything what I'm doing. like what I really am. So I'm not using a lot of that also in my business. And everything is organic. Like everything,

what I created until today, like the community. For example, I'm also like local in Slovenia, which had only like 2 million people. But I just, you know, I created this Facebook group to connect people and companies based on vibrational frequencies.

And they're like, 2,800 people in there. know, just like that, like without any, any advertising or whatever. So just imagine what would happen if I would start advertising what I'm doing. Because what I'm doing now is only like through this podcast or whatever. I never, I never advertised anything. I only had like when I started my campaigning in summer or something. I was advertising this mentorship program, but only for a while, because there are so many people because I was also offering

consultive like free empowerment calls for people who wants to change their career but there were so many people that I had to stop like after a month I had to stop my campaign because I couldn't cope with it I was like oh shit I'm back again you know like there's so many people I have to deal with this like I don't want to work I don't want to hustle I don't want to sacrifice my well-being

For the money, I don't want to do that anymore. So I have set really, really clear boundaries, and this is the way how I'm building empire and wealth now. But also, of course, working a lot on myself awareness, you know, on my spiritual journey, empowering others, but also I'm empowering myself with the wisdom from others. Like you, yourself, you are such an inspiration, George. So thank you for the kind words. It comes right back. Like you said, like attracts like, you know, water seeks its own level. And I like what you said about alignment.

You know, and here's a question for you. You know, when you, you would mention that when you see people, you see their energy, regardless of what position they have. Can you also see the difference in the energy between the goals of the company and the people working there? Is that like something that you can see too? Maybe talk about that a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, goals of the company, they usually come from the leadership, yeah, from the ownership.

Yeah. So basically, what I see is the biggest gap or challenge or whatever because it's not aligned with the goals of people. So that's why, you know, there's no this inner motivation. They are not. Yeah. And I don't call really, I mean, I don't. I rarely now, I'm still. Stop using the world motivation because I prefer inspiration.

Okay, good. Because if it's inspiration, it comes from spirit. Yeah, you are inspired and your spirit is inspired. Like your spirit is, you know, moving forward. And when people are inspired, they are more productive. When people are motivated, it's only for short term. Yeah. And usually when people are working and when I'm talking to companies,

is also there are two questions. So when, you know, when I'm talking to leaders or whatever, or whoever is, if they want to recruit somebody, it's like I'm asking them. So you want people, you want to find somebody that is working for you or with you. Yeah? That's such a good question. Yeah. But it changes everything.

Yeah. It changes everything. And also, you know, it put everything into different perspective. also the message because, you know, if somebody, if you're looking for somebody who is who who you want to work for you, you are radiating that energy anyway. So like your message should be clear. But if you're looking also something, you know, somebody that will be working with you, you can use that in your message. You can use that in your job at. You can use that, you know, That's radiating your company's culture.

And this is only one sentence. It's so simple, you know, when you think about it. But it can change absolutely everything. So when you go into a company and you ask people, hey, do you think you're working for the company or with the company? Like whatever people will say that will show what kind of company is. Do you think that the fact that you speak multiple languages and speak them all really well has an effect on the way in which you can understand people's motivations? You mean multiple languages in a way like English, Slovenian, or multiple languages. How many languages do you speak?

Yeah, I mean, I only speak actively. Yeah, I only speak two, like actively two languages. But the thing is, I don't even need to speak anything because I can feel, like, maybe with few words or whatever, I can feel the energy of the person when they open the heart. If they don't open their heart, if we don't connect by heart, I cannot help them. This is how I do it. And when I come into, you know, when I go into companies, I can see or when I start talking to people, I can see if they are in this. thriving mode or if they are in surviving mode or like if the company everything what they are doing like if their leadership is based on fear you know or it is based on their something else like love yeah

yeah yeah because it's it's really it's really fascinating yeah when you when you go on this level but when you for example when you ask people and how many how many companies out there are asking people like employees. So these are people who are contributing, you know, to companies' goals. So basically they are supporting the realization of the owner's dreams. Yes. Yeah. That's a great way to put it.

So exactly. So how many company owners or CEOs or whatever are actually asking people, but not only middle management, but everybody from production worker, you know, to everyone, like how many people are actually asked, like, what are your dreams? How company can help you to realize your dreams? Can you tell me, like, do you want to buy a new house? Like, what are your challenges? Like, do you want to travel?

How can our company support you to realize your dreams, you know, to fulfill your dreams? Like, this is the crucial question because there's always a transaction. But now in today's world, it goes one way. But I don't believe it like that. It's like it's an energy exchange. And there's this contract, you know, that the company, I mean, the employee people are there to present or to be added value for the existence of the company. But the company is there to provide, you know,

higher quality of life of people. Yeah. It's an energy change, but in practice, I'm not, I don't know, I wouldn't say like they don't want to do it. I just think that they don't know how to do it. Because like the old way is so embedded in their system. They don't know how to do it. But I'm here to show them how to do it because this is my natural way.

this is who I am. This is my natural way. And even if like 90% of companies or whatever, they are not using it, like they have it in them. So when they go on this level and I help them to go on this level, like they're, you know, they are so like it's completely, it's another world of solutions. And it's another world of opportunities and the connection.

And it's different. and it's different. And I'm here to, you know, to expand awareness and to expand these perspectives. How can you see things? You know, when I, coming from like a large multinational corporation, and being in the office all the time and having like these philosophical debates with district managers

and all these people with these really high titles, you know, it's interesting to get to see not only their perspective, but try to empathize with them. A lot of the times would be in this crucial conversation, and I would be bringing up what I thought was a great point, and I would be answered back with, well, you think you're entitled to that. And my answer's like, yeah, I think I am.

I think I am entitled to that, you know. But it's weird, this idea of entitlement and how that gets used as language in the workforce. Like, it becomes this sort of double-edged sword where people that are higher up, so you're not entitled to that. You haven't earned that. But if they would just turn the mirror around and ask themselves the question, like, well, have you earned it?

And who were you to decide that? But what is your, like, what do you think about this term entitlement that's used to whipsaw, us versus them, management versus workers? It's just this weird sort of tool that's used against people. What do you think about that? Yeah, that's a great question. in my for example

the slogan of my company is true value of people true value of people that means that every and also free spirit human capital you know because it's like

oh capital you know it's connected to money whatever you know you can you can understand like how you choose to understand but it's free spirit so free spirit human capital

capital what we have you know the capital that we have within that we have inside of us. Yeah. And of course, an entitlement, it's really, you know, I'm not going to say, oh, it's wrong or it's not wrong. But like you already said, like you have to put the mirror. It's a good chance, you know, for a person to get this mirror image of themselves. So how they will react in this situation.

Because when you put somebody in a subisic position, when you think that you are more, you know, that somebody else, you ask, like, compared to who? Like, based on what? Yeah. Yeah? And when I talk to people and I was like, okay, I'm so much, for example, oh, I'm so, I'm not good enough. I don't know this. Or, you know, like, I have this kind of people when they are, want to present themselves. So who are you comparing to?

You are going to help people who didn't reach the point that you are in today. So basically there are so many people that you can support absolutely when somebody is deciding to go on their own path or whatever. But entitlement is more about they are defining themselves as something superior. So it really, like, for example, I know that we are entitled. Like, it's our right when we were born, you know, to have abundance. We are like we are entitled to all this stuff. But when you are entitled to, when you think that you are entitled to something, just because you are more than somebody else,

well, that's basically it's not, it's not energy alignment. Yeah. And if there is no energy in this alignment, it's going to crumble. It's not sustainable because it needs to be energy like aligned. And especially now these days when people are, I have a feeling, you know, that people, a lot of people, they are scared. They're really, really scared. So they are grabbing. They want to, you know, they want to take as much things as possible just to show their value. because they have to fill this hole inside them. And whoever thinks, like whoever is doing that, you know, it's just on surface level, but they are feeling it's not about the money and it's not about the title, whatever. They are just feeling this hole that they have on subconscious level or in their heart or in their soul and it's not going to be filled.

And, you know, sooner or later, maybe this is short-term solution for them. Yeah, they can have time like, They can have fun. They can have some time with it, you know. But in long term, it doesn't work like that because the soul know its way. So, yeah. And like I said, like if, you know, somebody's putting themselves in superior position, I don't believe, you know, that's sustainable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I think if we all see it, you know, and the truth is we probably always always. done it. We probably all put ourselves in a position where I'm better than this person. I think that's something people can think about, or at least it's really helped me. Looking back on the situations where I've done that, I'm like, oh, you know what, I did it for these reasons. And the more honest you could be with yourself, the more you can really get

out of it. You'd be like, you know what? I did it for these four reasons right here. And that's, and then later in life, when someone does it to you, have some empathy and be like, oh, they think this. You know, it allows you to have. have some empathy, be like, oh, okay. Now I'm not so angry at them. Now I kind of feel sorry for them because they're going through this thing that I went through. And man,

I remember what it was like when I fell from that position. And I see these people building them up in this position. The idea that you're greater than somebody is a really slippery slope. You know, it really. So easy to judge. Yeah, it's so easy. Are you familiar with non-jar, the concept? Non-jar, no.

Can you tell me about it? This is really, this is really. interesting. So it's non-judgment, non-attachment, and non-resistance. I love it. So it's the, you know, it's the concept that I've been using for quite a while now in my life, but it's, it's so simple. It's like non-jarm. So non-judgment, non-attachment, no resistance. And every single situation, every single interaction that you have with the people, you know, you can use it. Like you can integrate that. And like what we are, we are masters, like we are champions, human beings are champions in judging. Yeah.

Yeah. And then when you ask, shit, why do I think about this person this, you know, like, there is absolutely no reason why I think about this person the way I think? And when, of course, when you, usually when you ask yourself this and when you dive deep, you find you, you come across this wound or, you know, inner child or whatever. But the thing is, like, judgment. When we will stop judging each other, I think then the world, you know, will become this divine place, you know, wherever. everybody will have everything. And when you were, before, when we were talking also about the company and the teams, I wanted to mention because this thought came by, there are three things.

So it's integrity, authenticity, and responsibility. So when a person, especially a leader, has all three things. integrity, authenticity, and responsibility. And it's not only about leadership. I think that every single human being, when they take responsibility for the reality that they have created, like we have created around ourselves, and we always need to, like in every interaction,

in every relationship or whatever, we always need to learn how to take responsibility for that. It's not about being guilty. It's not about, you know, to judge yourself or whatever, you know, to put yourself down. But it's just like taking responsibility. Right. And I think it would be so much easier. And of course, authenticity that you are who you really are, but also integrity.

There's, you know, integrity is super powerful world if you take it and you use it the right way. And yeah, you know, it can be so easy. It can be so easy. But when you are driven by a survival instinct and a lot of people are because why they are afraid to do this, you know, crucial or initial step, for example, Shannas, you know, she is saying, like, when you change one thing, you change everything. everything. Yeah. This is quantum way of thinking. Like when you change one thing, you change everything because then, you know, the timeline

changes and you are deciding. And when you don't see the future yet, you don't see this reward yet. But if you believe that you can come there, like if you believe, if you have faith in you, then it's going to happen. It's not going to be easy, but you have the power. how you see things, every situation. You have the power, how you react to everything that come across your, you know, to your path. And when me and you, for example, are talking about this kind of stuff and your podcast and everything, like what is happening around you, when people are listening to this, like, we are all creating this ripple effect.

And I'm so enjoying, you know, conversation. Like, I am. It's like, who, you know, even my sore throat is healthy now. I'm feeling so much better. But yeah, I think that now it's time that, you know, everything like this, it goes mainstream. It's everywhere. Yeah. So people see that it can be done differently.

Like, we cannot push them. We cannot convince them. We can just show them. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's interesting to think about how contagious.

Often we think about an illness as being contagious, but so too is wellness. Wellness is contagious. When you see someone that has something and you're like, wow, look at this person. Seems so happy. And so they have all this stuff together, like, how do they get that?

You know, it's contagious. Like, you want to be like that in the same way when, you know, people are ill, you're like, maybe the alignment is different where, like, you don't want to get it. But if you see it and you're around it, you're probably going to catch it. I think the same is true for good positive things. You know, if you're around, like when you were knocking on doors and you found yourself in this environment where it was negatively charged and like you someone answers the door and you realize this person is under a lot of stress. They're working with things.

They're trying to make the best that they can and they can't cope. Look at the environment. Like, I don't really have a chance on some level. You catch that. Like if you're in that environment, you catch it. So too, if you're an environment. surrounded by five really positive people. Or maybe those five positive people

or five, three books and two podcasts. But you can catch it. You can catch that wellness. You can catch that spirit. And it can drive you on some level, right? Do you think that's possible? Yeah, there are two things. Okay.

You know, I'm getting a lot of stuff. So you can, you know, you can take a piece of paper and write down two words. So one is illness. The other one is wellness. What is the difference? What is the difference? Tell me.

Wellness and illness. Yeah. I think like two letters. Which one? W and E. We. Exactly. And what is illness?

What is illness? I. Exactly. That's amazing. That's amazing to think about. Wow. Illness comes from the attachment to I or being alone ego?

Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Yeah. And wellness is when you are sharing, when you are connected, when you are a part of this one unity, you know, when you are a part of whole. So when you isolate, when you are ego-driven or, you know, it's like all about me, I'm the most important. do to do it's not healthy so that's good yeah that is amazing i've never heard that in my life but i'm

going to use that all the time it makes so much sense yeah do it do it and another way that you mentioned you know how we actually can influence um other people is also there's uh there was one study it's actually everything is scientifically proven uh harp math institute they did it you know because they are measuring also heart coherence. So in HRV, so that's heart rate variability. Okay. I don't know if you're familiar. We're not going to dive deep, but anyway, like picture, you know,

that there was a study that it was a table of in the office or in the space, and there were four people around it, yeah. And three people, so three people, that all of them, So four people, they were wearing a heart rate monitor. So for measuring also heart coherence. So three people, they were empowered with this knowledge, with this technique to shift in and out of your coherent state. So, you know, you get in touch with your heart. So whether it's a heart-focused breathing or is like quick coherence.

So that means that you are heart-focused breeding. And then you think of something that you love and then you radio. that feeling, you know, of appreciation, of gratitude. So you can do that as we speak. You know, you don't have to really meditate. Like you can do wherever. You can do in the office. You can do at the meeting.

You can do a bus, you know, when you're driving, whatever. So there was this study, you know, when people were sitting around the table. And three people, they were empowered with this technique. But the fourth person, they had ab like, they. he had or she had like no idea what is going on because like nobody told him or her you know it's like he was just working and when they were doing their technique when they were radiating love when they were you know going into this or getting into this coherent state the fourth person monitor also showed that he or she was in coherent state even

even though, like, they had no idea what was going on. So on subconscious level, a lot of things is happening. And that's why I really encourage companies or teams, you know, that whoever is in coherent state is definitely influencing also on others. And, you know, when you are repeating with that behavior, it's going to be, you know, the energy will be building. And something will change. Sooner or later, something will change.

So it's really fascinating. What can we do without words? What can we do without any, I would say, actions? I mean, they are actions, but they are not seen. Because a lot of people, they think, oh, I don't see it. It doesn't exist. It's not like that. There are so many things we cannot really see, but they do exist.

So yeah, that's also one powerful thing. I love the idea of the heart frequency and the magnetic field. And when I think about that, I think about vibrations. And the vibration thing makes me think about a beautiful song. You know, sometimes we're drawn to this beautiful voice and probably different for different people. But that's a vibration too. In some way, a beautiful voice is calling to you, a melodic voice that you want to be around. So too is your heart.

It sounds like maybe your heart frequency is doing the same thing on some level. Is that accurate? I'm pretty sure. I mean, vibrational frequency is, you know, it can be in so many different forms. Yeah. For example, our emotions, you know, like it really depends in what kind of emotional state you are. That also influences your vibrational frequency. And then the sound, of course, it's absolutely amazing.

For example, frequencies, yeah? Like if you're listening to, I have this, well, what is it? I think it's 532 hertz as the love frequency. And then you have, they say in our now, you know, in mass media and like mainstream, there's a lot of music, like everything on the radio and TV is like 440, which is pretty harmful. I mean, Shanaz would know so much more. Yeah, yeah, totally. We can have a chat about that. Let's do it.

Yeah, definitely. But you can feel like when you are in a higher vibrational state or when you are in lower vibrational state, that's for sure. And when you have this self-awareness, when you are thinking about yourself and the world around you as a vibrational thing, you know, that you are a vibrational entity. we are energy being that we are vibrating, you know, and every single level.

And everything around us is vibrating, everything. Then it becomes, yeah, everything changes. Like perspective of the world and the reality that you live in and everything. Also situations, you know, like what kind of vibrational frequency you admit that, you know, these, that kind of people and situations. and you attract in your life. So there were, you know, a lot of studies as well. I mean, people can read about it.

But for example, you know, if you are walking down the street and you admit this fear, oh, I'm going to be attacked, I'm going to be attacked, you know, they're bad guys or robbers. So, you know, like they're usually they're picking victims, you know, that they admit. kind of energy because they are afraid of being attacked, like also in maybe on subconscious level or whatever. You know, so basically, like a lot of things is happening.

You are attracting a lot of things in your life. Maybe you are aware of it or not, but it's super, it's so much easier when you get into this, like when you get to this point, if you understand what's happening. So you can, you can have some control over it, definitely. So higher the vibration, you know. better life you will create for yourself. It's interesting. I read a book not too long ago where they talked about grasshoppers.

And grasshoppers, when they meet a certain threshold, when they come together and there's enough grasshoppers, then they fundamentally change their form and become locusts. And it's interesting to, yeah, it's fascinating. I'll think of the title in a minute. But so imagine a group of individuals comes together, and then when there's enough of them, they physically change their form

to become a different thing. And the same thing on some level, you know, I'm a firm believer that we can watch nature and begin to understand our own behavior by watching the patterns in nature. And the same thing happens in groups sometimes. Yeah, as well, yeah.

That's the word I was looking for. Thank you, yes. Yeah, and if you look at that group dynamics, that same thing tends to happen. Sometimes when we get around in a group, maybe we don't have a thought about something, but all of a sudden we start feeling this thing like, yeah, you know what?

I kind of think that too. And we act in a different way than we would if we were alone. Sometimes they call it like a mob mentality. It doesn't have to be a mob mentality. I have a negative connotation to it. But, you know, it's interesting to think about group dynamics. And when you were speaking about the heart frequency, like why wouldn't people change their tune

or get into alignment we come into group? There's another great book called, oh gosh it's called black elk speaks and in that book this he was a young man at the time but he's telling the story from an older man's point of view and he talks about a time when when his people were coming together and they were dancing and they were dancing to celebrate but at this point in time they were being rounded up by people in the west and the people in the west like hey knock it off man what are you guys doing they were just dancing because they were celebrating the fact that they still had each other and it freaked the people out so bad that

they attacked them. And it's just interesting to think about how our vibrations can fundamentally shift the views of everyone around us and put them into states of fear. And it, you know, it brings up bigger questions of like, maybe that's why the media is constantly radiating fear out there, you know, on some level. Of course, because, you know, fearful people, people who are scared, it's easier to control, you know, that's, yes. Yeah. So do you think that there's people, there's clearly people at the top that aware of these particular rhythms and these things that we're talking about that are trying to figure out ways, how do we maintain a populace that's in control and not doing things? You think there's people that are using these things against us?

I'm sure. Yeah, it's definitely. It's definitely happening, but I'm not focusing. Yeah, I'm not focusing on this thing. I know that it exists. You know, okay, that's their reality. but if there's chaos around me, you know, in other world, it doesn't have to be chaos in my world because we all have our own realities.

So I don't, I don't know, I don't listen to news. I don't, you know, listen to, I don't watch the so much. For example, on my social media, when I open my social media, I only, you know, I only left positive content. Like I deleted or blocked all the people or companies or whatever, you know, organizations who are sharing information that I wasn't resonating with. So I deleted that. So every time when I open my social media accounts or whatever,

I always see high vibrational content, which is, yeah, perfect. You know, that's a few. But, yeah, there are a lot of things. people who have different intentions. Sure. I wouldn't go there because I'm really more focused on this heart energy, you know, because like every human being, we have a heart. Right.

I firmly believe that. And we have the ability, you know, to generate heart energy. And when we connect each other, like, I don't care, you know, if we are different races, if we are different different statuses or whatever. But when we are connected on human level, when we are connected on human level, it becomes easier. It becomes easier to make business.

It becomes easier to have relationship. It becomes easier to empower each other. It becomes easier to create something amazing. But that's only for ourselves, you know, me, me, like illness, but for humanity, or everyone. Yeah, I really think that the keys to becoming your authentic version of yourself is understanding that there's a lot of things you can't control, but there are some things that you can control

the meaning for yourself. And if you can become the best version of yourself, then you influence the world to become the best version of you. So regardless of what's happening around you, it's really easy to get sucked into some of these things that are like, oh, this or that. And like, they may or may not be true, but you can't control any of it. And so it tends to be a waste of time. And maybe it's entertaining.

You know, and if people are entertained, Sophia, but. A rabbit hole. It's a rabbit hole. Everything is such a rabbit hole. So, you know, I also, like what I say to people, just whatever I'm saying, whatever I'm teaching, whatever I'm sharing, just take bits and pieces of information that you resonate with. And then you create your own.

And this is what I'm doing. You know, everything. I'm not diving deep into anything because I have my own wisdom. But I am, you know, looking around, taking bits and pieces of information and then I'm creating my own reality based on what I know, what I feel, what I believe. And of course, you know, what I learn every day because it's all about learn, unlearn and relearn. and this is the process that a lot of people they are afraid they are afraid to it because they learn

and if you learn something that you think that you know everything but it's not like that you have to be willing to unlearn and relearn you have to let it go you cannot you know cling to to something that you think is absolute truth so it's interesting that you say like let it go or unlearn on some ways i think we both described that in our journeys

of of going through this thing and learning these things and then it feels like the world's crumbling down around you well maybe you're just unlearning this old version of you right yeah yeah letting go letting go there's this saying is uh if you are for example people who are listening maybe they will you know, they will take it, like they were integrated in their life. So if you have something, whether it's a past experience or something like dreams or a person, you know, ex-partner or whatever, and you are really holding, like, I don't want to, or maybe it's like existing thing. Yeah.

Like I have this dream life or whatever, you know, like I have to hold on tight. I have to hold everything. So I'm not, I don't want to let it go. I don't want to look. it. And somebody like up, you know, up there in the universe is like, oh, I want to send this person a gift, you know, but I cannot because his or her hands are full. So when you, when you let it go, you know, when you let it go and you just let things to flow their way, your hands are empty and you can receive gifts. Before that, you cannot because your hands are full,

because you're, you know, you're holding onto something. So that was also something that really helped me. That's beautiful. Yeah, it's interesting to think about it on that level. And for me, it helps to empathize with people that aren't, they're holding onto stuff so tight. You know, they care about it. They love it.

It's important to them. You know, they don't want to let it go. Yeah. But nothing is really ours, isn't it? Nothing. Nothing's even real most of the time, right? Yeah. Exactly.

It's hard to learn that though. Yeah, it's not about losing something. I mean, of course, you know, like when you lose a person, you know, a loved ones or whatever, that's completely different situation. And yeah, your soul decided to go through that experience, which is, you know, super painful. But we are holding on to a lot of really, really important, unimportant. like really like really really unimportant things or situations or whatever because we think that when we will lose something our life will end yeah because we will our identity was like oh what i'm going

to do if i lose this you know what i'm going to do i cannot do this oh i cannot lose my job because i will not be able to pay you know rent or whatever but how do you know there's not a better job lining up for you you know, like the universe, because when you set the intention, when you really, really trust the process, when you really know that you are never alone, that you have army of supporters around you, you know, like invisible, invisible ones, then it, yeah, it becomes, I said it so many times, but it does become easier. It really becomes easier. But people are so, so, so afraid to, to, to, to, to let go. Yeah.

Yeah, it's interesting. There's a book called Good is the opposite of great. That reminds me of the idea of letting go of some things in your life that might be good because you can be better. You know, and I. Yeah. In another life. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, sorry to interrupt. So when you are your life, like when you, when you are thinking about it and you are scared and you don't do it, I'm. So I'm certain that sooner or later, your life or universe or whatever will take care of it, but in the more painful way. So when you have a chance to do something, just do it. When your intuition is showing you the path, just do it.

Otherwise, life is going to force you and you are going to do it sooner or later, but it's going to be so much more difficult. Yeah, that's listening to your heart right there. That's like you get little, there's little tremors before the earthquake. But if you wait until the earthquake, it's going to be a disaster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to survive and, you know, eventually it's going to be better.

But, and you're going to, you know, everything will be rebuilt after. But you can, you know, you have the chance. Like there are signals everywhere. So if you listen to your heart, if you listen to your intuition, you can actually save up a lot money and that money energy and time eventually and also I'm pretty sure money in a way because transformations in this time now when the frequency is rising you know it like they're happening so fast everything is happening so fast yeah tomorrow everything can be different like some little thing can happen that can completely change a trajectory of your life so

we have to be open for that. Yeah, it's like, Shina says, if you change one little thing, you change everything. And that's so welcoming, right? Yeah. It's so nice to know that you can do that. Anya, I love our conversation.

This has been amazing. Coming up on like two hours right here. Oh, my God, already. Oh, yeah. That was fast. I know. It flies by like that. And we should come.

We should do more shows. together. We should get more people in the room because I think that that would facilitate some more interesting ideas than we already have. Like, we should do stuff more often. And I hope people, maybe you, me and Shanass, you know, all three of us. So absolutely. I would love it. Let's definitely do that. Let's make it, let's make it, let's make it, let's make it something on the regular. You know, I really enjoy learning and promoting awesome conversations and getting to have cool opportunities like this. But before I let you go, before we start landing the plane,

maybe you can tell people like what you have coming up, where they can find you, what you're excited about. Wow, yeah, there are so many things I'm excited about. Let's hear them. Basically, I'm involved in so many different projects, but I would definitely mention like human design AI. So whoever wants to dive in to human design, Like if you have idea what, you know, what that is or if you have no idea what that is,

just check it out and get some empowerment. Like, you really can empower yourself. You will have information that there will be so valuable for your life, like in a moment. Because it's the integration. Like I said, it's artificial intelligence and human design. And it saves a lot of time, you know, to get this information that usually you would be, you would have, you would need to dive deep, you know, you would spend a lot of time to get into that information that you can have now in an instant moment. So human design AI, and there's another thing that is called the Soul Compass.

I would really recommend you to check out that. The Soul Compass, I'm a pilot user for this amazing company that we are gamifying. I mean, their intention is to gamify flow. So we are now monitoring our flow state and we have our own telegram group, you know, and we are exchanging data. We are exchanging, oh, when we are in our flow state and we are sharing that, so we are learning so much about ourselves. And everybody, I mean, everybody, like you can apply. I'm pretty sure you will be accepted if you apply for a pilot user. and you can be, that's absolutely amazing because we are now pilot users, you know,

but the world is going that way because they want to really motivate people to work on themselves, to get into this flow state, and whoever is in flow state, they will be rewarded in the future. And the world, you know, everything will be around that. So the sole compass and token of me is amazing company that I'm also supporting. And there is, of course, Octopus Movement. Yeah, right. Perry. Shout out to Perry.

Hello. So, yeah, Octopus Movement. I'm a founding member as well. It's an amazing community of incredible people. Because I also believe that non-linear thinking is the future, you know, that we have to make a synergy between linear and non-linear. And then all the magic can happen. So it's the...

the octopus movement and of course my company, Free Spirit Human Capital, I am supporting founders. I am supporting companies to raise their vibrational frequencies, to raise the vibration frequency of their companies so they can attract the best possible talent. And I'm also helping people when they are going through spiritual awakening, when they are longing for career change,

and how to present themselves, of how to integrate that part of life into their career. So that's my mission and also what we are doing with Shanaz, just as Quantum. So it's on YouTube. But people can reach me on LinkedIn. And I also have Pick My Brain Profile. That's another platform for sharing knowledge, which is super cool.

So, yeah, a lot is going on. But the main, main purpose is just to have fun because I see everything is a playground. My life is a playground. Everything what we are doing is a playground. And I just want to be driven by excitement, by fun, you know, and to just radiate this love and to show people. It's not easy, but it's so much easier when we are together that nobody is alone. I love that. That's so well said. If you're listening to this, whether it's morning or evening or maybe you're in your car driving, maybe it's a month, maybe it's five years from now. But I hope that you reach down to the show notes and you check out, check out Anya and check out everything that she's going into and she's talking about it. I really enjoy the conversation. And I look forward to this being one of many cups of tea that we share for quite some time. It's so cool to get to see all the projects that you're

involved in. But more than that, I think what really helps me enjoy the projects you're involved in is learning how you got there and learning the ways in which you dealt with some traumas in your life. And I love that you're vulnerable about that and you share that with people. Because I think that's really what we're here to do is help people like us. You know, we're all like us. We're all going through some things. We are authentic and we are not perfect, you know. We all have our own shit to deal with. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here. Yeah.

But when we are empowering each other, when we are learning about ourselves through the lens of interacting with other people and the situation that we have to deal with, you know, it's mega-powerful. And I love it. I love, you know, that I'm also creating this safe space for people that they can do.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, me too. It's fascinating. I'm so stoked to get to thank you very much for everything. I really, really enjoy it. I really enjoyed it as well. So like you said, let's, yeah, let's continue with this. This was just, this was just the beginning. It's just beginning. Well, hang on briefly afterwards. I'm going to hang up with the people, but I want to talk to briefly afterwards. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope that the, I hope you realize how amazing you are. And there's a miracle, probably a lot of them, getting ready to happen to you, if you just have the courage to take a chance, you've got to tiptoe up to,

do whatever you got to do, listen to the voice in your heart. And I promise you, your life will begin to unfold in front of you in ways that you can't possibly imagine. That's all we got for today, ladies and gentlemen. I'll be a wonderful day or evening. Aloha. All right.