TrueLife - Benjamin C. George - Running on Mushrooms

Starting point is 00:00:01 Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scar's my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Hears through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

Starting point is 00:00:40 The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. We are here with the author of No Absalutes. A fascinating individual and a friend of mine. I'm not afraid to call him a friend of mine.

Starting point is 00:01:14 He's a great person. And we're going to get into some more ideas about no absolutes and history and anything else that comes our way. Benjamin, is there, you want to introduce yourself, anything you want to start off with? Yeah, actually, it looks like my live stream popped up. And I'm getting a me in the background. So one second. Absolutely. No apologies, man.

Starting point is 00:01:54 No absolutes, no apologies. It happens. All right. There we go. So we began, go ahead, I'm sorry. Oh, yeah. No, please, go ahead. So we began our momentary conversation before the podcast,

Starting point is 00:02:09 talking about symbols, talking about, it's almost like another language, these obtuse but familiar ideas that seem to be implanted in us by being bombarded on us. And I know a little bit about them, But I think it's a, and you may think it's a nice segue into history. Can you tell me a little bit about what you know about symbols or what do you think about some of those ideas? Sure.

Starting point is 00:02:34 Well, I mean, you know, symbology is all around us. It's, you know, our writing is symbol, right? Which kind of goes back to, you know, words are important, how we think are important, you know, because that symbology is, it's very powerful. We're attached to symbocally. You touched on it in a video that you made yesterday, I believe. But, you know, we have ancient symbols that have traversed the world. And yet we don't really have a good meaning of what they are. And, you know, one of those symbols is that swastika symbol, which it happens.

Starting point is 00:03:16 And the one you showed was the East Indian one. But it occurs in indigenous tribes across the world. And from my understanding, a lot of those indigenous tribes used that as kind of like a signifier for the seasons and the changing of the seasons before the hemispheres, you know, the segments of it. And then the dots would represent the equinoxes. And that was also a tool for how they constructed structures to orient them into the right directions too. And, you know, that's just one of how many hundreds, if not thousands of symbols that are all around it. Another one you pointed to was the Starbucks one. And I recall, I'm not, it was a few years ago, but I think somebody did a dive on that.

Starting point is 00:04:08 And it goes back to derastroicism, I think. And it was the goddess Mina, the sea or something. like that. So, you know, it's really interesting that we see a symbol like that pop up today, and we see them all around. You know, CERN just turned on, and they have a symbol of Shiva in front of CERN, you know, and then we have less familiar ones, of course, but our history is replete with symbols. And so I wanted to segue that into, you know, kind of the history of things. in my book I just did a brief history of things and since then I've done a lot more research and you know it really seems to me that there's a cyclical kind of nature to what we call society

Starting point is 00:05:02 what we call our ancient societies are actually from the evidence that I've been exposed to and have researched they're kind of a repop-up of civilization after the last cataclysm which How familiar are you with like the younger dryest period? I'm pretty familiar with it. I've seen a lot of like Charles Hapgood's work on catastrophism and, you know, I've seen some interesting maps and the ancient maps of the Sea Kings. There's a great book called The Adam and Eve story that is all about cataclysm. So I'm kind of familiar, but I'm sure you can enlighten me and the audience with some of the younger driest information.

Starting point is 00:05:44 Well, so a lot of, like there's Randall Carlson and, you know, he's a big proponent that there was an impactor event. The more and more I've researched into that, I think there definitely wasn't impactor, but I don't think it was caused from a comet. I actually think it was ejective from the sun. And it's really interesting when we start to look at like the oldest structures in the world. You know, we have all of these polygonal walls. We have all of these pyramidal structures. you know, they just discovered a huge pyramid under the water off the coast of Portugal heading towards the Azores.

Starting point is 00:06:24 And I notice you have Atlantis in your map back there. But all we're finding is more and more evidence of this. And it's older and older and older. You know, you got Quebecli-Tepe, Kerohan-Tepe, which are all, you know, dated to 11,800, or BC, you have all of these really ancient sites that are just getting older and older and older. And then there's another phenomena where some of the technology that is used to build these sites is seemingly more and more advanced. You know, the polygon of walls down in Peru, you know, even the Great Pyramid, we couldn't recreate those structures today, even with modern technology.

Starting point is 00:07:14 you know there might be some engineers who say I could do it but by and large you know the other the other side of that equation is could you get societal will could you get the funding could you you know could you orient the labor to do something like that for that kind of undertaking and so what are the purpose of those things and you know they're all claimed to be barrel chambers by what we're taught in textbooks from you know high school uh the one thing that's consistent across all the world where we find these things, these megalithic structures, is there's no inscriptions, there's no writing on the wall. And if it was some sort of burial chamber, religious thing, there's usually all sorts of adornments to those types of structures. And we just don't see that.

Starting point is 00:08:04 So then that begs the question, well, why don't we see that? And my hypothesis is that these are actually more machines than they are just structures. you know, there's electric potential between different types of rocks that are used. There's all sorts of evidence that these things have some sort of greater purpose than just a giant monument to a god or, you know, a sacrificial chamber for a pharaoh. And it's really interesting when you start to correlate that evidence with evidence of cyclical disasters on this planet. I did have a good point to that. No, I'm joking. And now we're learning about all sorts of different cycles in this planet.

Starting point is 00:08:56 There's a seven-year oscillation in the core of magnetism. We know that the magnetic poles are continually moving, and they've started moving in certain directions, and they haven't checked back, and now they're pretty far off kilter. There's a lot of hypotheses of, you know, hole flipping, crustal displacement, all of these things. But when you correlate that with geologic records,

Starting point is 00:09:23 we see magnetic shifts in the geologic record every 13-some thousand years, which is about the younger dry-as area. And then attached to that, you had, so the hypothesis is, Atlantis is what it's typically called these days, was a global civilization. There's genetic record to back that up now. There's a lot of, you know, the mines in Wisconsin, where did all the copper go? You know, there's a lot of these pieces of evidence that are starting to stack up that really don't correlate with, oh, yeah, history began, you know, 7,000 years ago, and here we are today.

Starting point is 00:10:08 And I think this is an important aspect of kind of understanding our place in, you know, the world. world. Because if you don't know where you're, where you come from, it's kind of hard to know where you're going, too. And so you have this global civilization that experiences a disaster. And then we see pockets of civilization kind of erupt about, you know, 7,000 BC. And those pockets of civilization, my hypothesis is, is those were the remnants of a previous protoculture that had already colonized the globe, essentially. And I think that was a, and then when you start to look at like Samarian, Samarian texts and like the ancient Kings list, you know, how long their rules were,

Starting point is 00:10:56 it's kind of, you know, it's like, well, yeah, somebody could just make that up, but why would they inscribe it in stone? We have these pieces of evidence that continually are telling us that, oh, no, human life is quite a bit older than we ascribed to it. And it was actually potentially even more advanced in the past. And I think, you know, tying it back to the book, No Absolutes, is that once you get that perspective that, oh, maybe, you know, we aren't just kind of flittering in the sand here. We actually are part of a long lineage of things. And these events were not only known about, but they were inscribed across the world in these symbols.

Starting point is 00:11:42 And so there's also some other interesting little things that we can segue. I'll just mention them if you want to rabbit hole them. You know, sunspots on the sun, whenever the sun has these massive sunspots, we see them flaring on the back sides. We have the satellites up there now. But they have a really strong correlation of decreasing intensity whenever they're facing Earth. So if, you know, and this is getting really out there. But if I was to build a big global machine that was to try to stop these, you know, the cyclical disaster, well, you need something that's monumental and you need it to be energetically driven.

Starting point is 00:12:23 It needs to interact with the electromagnetic spectrum and it needs to create potentials and fields and all these things. And I suspect that at one point, there was a group of people on this planet who understood that. and they built all those ancient megalis and monoliths to basically stabilize the earth. And I think that system broke, and I think that's the story of the fall of Atlantis, you know, combined with the other parts of it. And I think we're kind of in a recovery mode since then, kind of attaching back to the Yuga cycles. And then you have the indigenous peoples across the world.

Starting point is 00:13:04 You know, the ant people took them into the earth and brought them out and this was the fourth time they'd done it. We have a lot of these really old stories that kind of indicate that there is a cyclical disaster that impacts this planet. And I think, you know, that's kind of an important aspect to keep in mind when we look at the world because the idea is that, oh, we already, that's settled science, right? They taught it to me in school, which settled science in itself is, you know, science is, you know, science is not. never settled. That's the whole point of it. But, you know, it's just like, it's right up there with trust the science. It's like, okay, you know, there's, there's a lot of problems inherent

Starting point is 00:13:51 in our symbology when we start to use words like that, use words in our symbols in those ways. It creates improper pictures. It creates derision. It creates, you know, me versus you, you, tribe versus tribe, all of these other things that we see plaguing the world pretty consistently me these things. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I, it seems to me, well, let me try to segue away like this.

Starting point is 00:14:17 You say in your book, if our observations constantly show the fluidity of existence and the constant fleetingness of rigidity, then why do we adhere to strongly to and perspectives that offer no flexibility? And when I apply that to history, the one thing about history

Starting point is 00:14:36 that seems to be true is that we always get it wrong. The planets are not in glass spheres. We're not the center of the universe. You know, we, and if we always get it wrong, doesn't that probably mean that we're wrong now? You know, and it seems to me, if you look at humanity as a society that's building back, it's all in the language.

Starting point is 00:14:57 Like, everything's in the language that's build back better. The industrial revolution. Like, these are things that had already been done, and we're just repeating them. It is that cycle. And I would add to your point, that, you know, there's so much better ways to measure time than a clock. Like, if you look at the planets, in the book I was reading the Adam and Eve story,

Starting point is 00:15:19 they talk about a cataclysm happening like every 12,000 years. And when they look to the zodiac, you know, you can see signs. For example, we're in the age of Aquarius. Aquarius is the water bearer. I always ask myself, if I am a society, like how do I come to the cause? conclusion that I'm going to draw this giant person in the sky dropping water, buckets of water, huge buckets of water. That seems to me like a flood is coming. We made this thing for you dummies in the future and you're not even paying attention to it. That's a pretty intricate,

Starting point is 00:15:54 incredible idea to create a lasting symbol or image that will last for eternity to tell people. That is something that we can't do today, but it's there for us. So I would agree with your ideas on that. I believe. Interesting on top of that, you know, the Zodiac isn't just a single phenomenon. Like, you know,

Starting point is 00:16:18 there's multiple indigenous tribes. There's multiple refoundings of society that all, you know, have a version of the Zodiac and they're all very strongly consistent with the depictions. Even if the actual star arrangements

Starting point is 00:16:35 are a little different, the, you know, the, what that, entity is supposed to represent or what that symbology is supposed to represent is consistent. And so that would, you know, to me, suggest that that had to come from some sort of proto culture that had a consistency. And then after it was fractured, you know, they tried to, with the resources that they had, because now all of your infrastructure is completely destroyed,

Starting point is 00:17:05 they tried to re-found society, but also at the same time create a consistent symbology to try to explain a story, the human story as it were. Yeah. I think Velikovsky has written quite a bit on this too. He talks about a people of the sea, which reminds me of, you know, that little bag, like Coetso-Coddle carries it, the Egyptian pharaohs carry it. It seems to me like maybe they hit up their own seed vault, wherever their seed vault was. And here they are going and teaching people to, you know, to farm the land and teaching agriculture,

Starting point is 00:17:43 which would be the first thing you do after a cataclysm, right? And we have seed bolts. Like we have that infrastructure. Like, so it's not. And just to add to that, too, sometimes it seems to me that all this technology and ideas, they're not original ideas. that are ideas that people pick up on, whether it's a symbol or if you listen to some of the greatest minds, they always say things like, oh, I heard a voice or it was given to me, you know, and it seems like those symbols and those ideas have always been here. You know, I like what you said in the book, too, about a river's route changes over time and that change allows life to flourish.

Starting point is 00:18:22 Why would our lives be any different? Can you explain that a little bit? Well, you know, and this goes into as above so below, like we mentioned a little bit before, but we have these systems all around us. And these systems are, you know, even though we may not understand them at first observation or even looking at them for 20 years, if you can view them from a, you know, pull yourself back from a 10,000 foot perspective and look down at this thing and then able to fast forward time at your will, you would see.

Starting point is 00:18:58 a whole flourishing of life and death and regrowth and all of these things but along that pathway there's a consistency of an ecosystem that's growing and evolved and if you could

Starting point is 00:19:14 stretch out even further and look down at humanity and turn the time dial up backward and forward you would be able to see a similar pattern we you know we're constantly ebbing and flowing with the river, multiple rivers as it were, but the river of time, ultimately.

Starting point is 00:19:35 And that cyclical nature plays into that, and it plays into everything that we observe. I mean, there's not a single system that you can observe that doesn't have a cyclical or a helical type nature to it. You know, even when we're talking about, you know, the smallest things like, you know, magnetic fields and things. and things like that, you know, all of our electrons, they have spin, they have, you know, we have, uh, teroidal fields around everything that we call magnets. We have teroidal fields that kind of encompass what our heliosphere is, what our solar system is, how, you know, the climate works on the planet.

Starting point is 00:20:18 These are all continual systems and energy goes into these systems at north and south poles. There's a really interesting study from, you know, Neptune that went cold and then got hot, and you can actually see the heat radiate from the poles down, Jupiter as well. And it's an induction from the sun. I mean, we got this giant ball of plasma up there generating, you know, untold amounts of energy. It's really hard for humans to fathom these scales, right? You know, for instance, at the equator, you're spinning a thousand miles an hour, relative to the center of the earth.

Starting point is 00:20:56 And then, you know, we're cruising about 67,000 miles an hour around the sun. And then the sun is cruising, you know, some like, I think, 227,000 miles an hour around the galactic plane. We don't even know what that is. Even though I just said the numbers, we can't envision that. You know, 60 miles an hour, things are going like this past the window. You know, you get to 100 miles an hour and you feel like you've never moved faster in your life. We have no recollectal, we have no idea what a thousand miles or let alone, you know, 27,000 miles an hour. And so our relative ability to understand these scales, I think, really creates a big problem for a lot of people, especially if you don't have the time in life and all you can read is a headline.

Starting point is 00:21:45 because now relative to what's actually happening in the scale of all this stuff, you know, people are, like they want to give you a personal carbon counter, you know, to count your carbon emissions, whereas, you know,

Starting point is 00:22:02 the idea that particulates in the atmosphere are governing this system that is so many orders of magnitude energetically greater than, you could pack the whole atmosphere with particulates and you still wouldn't even scratch the surface, that this is all the generator of everything is a really, to me, absurd notion. You know, we have, and we have a lot of evidence growing to suggest how absurd it is, but at the same time, you know, because of profits mostly, we're moving down a pathway where all of a sudden you're going to be counted for, you know, how often you pass gas and how many hamburgers you eat this week, right?

Starting point is 00:22:52 Yeah. Which is, and so, you know, we have some, when we don't understand the scale of these things, we are very inclined to move down these pathways that are detrimental to us, for one, but they remove us from that kind of ebb and flow of reality and nature and are we relationship with nature. Yeah, I agree. I often think that the movement for, you know, some of the ridiculous climate change people should be every breath you take. Every breath you take. We're going to charge you every breath you take, you know? Yeah. Like, we don't do any studies on what the migration of the magnetic north pole does to climate. We don't do any studies on what space wind does.

Starting point is 00:23:43 Like, we don't, the truth is we don't know. And I can understand that sometimes I think that the purpose of history and these type of cultural movements is to unite everybody. But they all, it never does. Like global warming is a beautiful idea. Like, hey, let's all rally around. We all care about the planet. We can get behind that.

Starting point is 00:24:04 Kind of, like, not if it's all bullshit. We can't because it's wrong. Well, that's the problem, I think. you know, we, and this is replete throughout society at multiple levels, it's, hey, look at this really good thing. And people say, well, heck, you know, I'm a good person. So I like good thing. But then, you know, the questions are never asked, who's doing the good thing? Who's, you know, where does the money actually go? Does the good thing actually happen? A little kind of side, for instance, I started in a,

Starting point is 00:24:41 nonprofit. And as I was going through all the details for the state of Colorado, it gets to align that it says, you have to spend 5% of your declared charitable cause on your charitable cause per year. Five percent. So, wow. Right. And then, you know, I know from a, I went through a startup program thing, and one of the startups in there was talking, was working in a nonprofit world. the nonprofit world is 400 and some billion dollar business. Yeah, all the billionaires, they gave away all their money, they gave it away, they just gave it to themselves, right? It's just a fancy way of not paying taxes. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:24 So all of a sudden, you know, if I only have to spend 5% of my declared cause, my goodness. My goodness. So that was just Colorado. I'm not well versed in all of that. But I mean, if that's one state, I can imagine they're all relatively similar. Sure. because they're wanting to attract business. And they want that tax money ultimately.

Starting point is 00:25:45 Even if these, you know, even if it's a tax-free charity, there's always, they give kickbacks and that's, you know, that's a whole different rabbit hole. But so we, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:57 we have all of these people who are pulling strings and these declared groups and these causes and these spokes figures and all this stuff. And it makes somebody feel good to be good. So they attach to these. thing. In the meantime, there's other people who go look at, well, who's actually pulling the shots? Who's calling the shots here? Where's the money going? How's it being spent? Is there any long-term studies on benefits to this? Are there studies to the counter science? Are there, you know,

Starting point is 00:26:29 how's all this working out? Most people don't have that time to go look at those things, right? And so now they're subjected to headlines and propaganda and narrative. and people who want to influence the world. And by and large, they're doing a really good job if you're objective about it. Yeah, absolutely. That's what happens when you have all the money and you have the power of media. It's such a powerful medium, which takes us full, which takes us right back to symbols. The idea that they can project a symbol into your living room when you're unconsciously watching or at

Starting point is 00:27:09 specific times of the day where they know your, you know, the rate at which you think or what type of mood you're in and they can implant these ideas in you. It's like a digital slavery almost, you know, in a weird sort of way, they've captured your mind. In a weird sort of way, Alex Jones was right in that there's a war for your mind, you know? Well, I mean, they're absolutely, there always has been, too, if we're looking at history, right? It's always the rulers trying to, if not placate, you know, subjugate their populace respectively. And it usually doesn't start out like that. It usually has benign means.

Starting point is 00:27:47 There's usually one person who's like, oh, yeah, we're going to do great. The next generation, it usually falls out. Pretty consistently. So it's nothing new under the sun. The problem is that we seem very inclined to want to repeat that. cycle. And tying this back to choice, what we were talking about last time, you know, all of these things influence our relative choices. Those symbols being injected into the room when you're feeling sad or when you're feeling happy, they are impacting what your potential

Starting point is 00:28:24 choices are. And you're not aware of it by and large, right? Sometimes you are because sometimes you're really engaged and focused, but most of the time you're not. You know, we have the TV on in the background. We have the radio on in the background. An ad pops up in a YouTube video. You know, all of these things, and we know, you know, even though they don't like to admit it, all these companies are all tapped into these microphones. It's all being ran through an algorithm.

Starting point is 00:28:53 You're being served up ads that are relevant to your experience and all of this other stuff, which on the surface, just like, again, all of these other ideas that sound good, on the surface, sure, this can be a fantastic thing. I would love to waste less time finding more relevant information to me and use that to better my life. Why not? I have more time to now spend with family and friends and research and go do other things. On the back end of it, again, who's pulling the trigger? who's using this information?

Starting point is 00:29:29 What are they using it for? And then, you know, we know that they sell it. Well, I didn't get a kickback for my information. I don't know about you. No. But I haven't seen a check from Google or Apple or AT&T or any of these other people who blatantly sell the information whenever they can. In fact, it's a massive revenue stream for most of these companies.

Starting point is 00:29:53 Yeah. It reminds me of, in some ways, I like what you did with choice. To me, you really laid out how it's not an absolute, it's not free will versus fate. It's both. And it reminds me, it kind of reminds me of that little limerick that Alan Watts used to say,

Starting point is 00:30:15 that once was a man who said, damn, for it certainly seems that I am, a being that moves in determinate grooves. I'm not even a bus. I'm a tramp. But that being said, I have the infographics of choice here.

Starting point is 00:30:27 And I want, maybe I thought I could bring them up and you could kind of walk people through it since we're on the idea of choice. Okay. So let's get to the... Here's the book for everybody called No Absolute. It's a framework for life.

Starting point is 00:30:41 Just, if you get a chance, go on there. The links will be down there. The book's called No Absolutes. It's a framework for life. It'll help you make sense of a lot of questions. At least it did for me. Okay, let's get to. Here's we have for choice.

Starting point is 00:30:53 Can you see that up on your side? I mean, I did create it, so I think I have a mental limit. of it, but it is pretty small on my screen there. Okay. Yeah, so, you know, the whole idea how I see this grand tapestry of things is that there's an infinite sea of potentiality. As that potentiality moves closer and closer to reality, it becomes a set of probabilities.

Starting point is 00:31:23 And as we move throughout our days, as we have the thoughts we have, speak the words. we speak, make the choices we make, that those probabilities fold down and reality is generated. And, you know, I like to, because a lot of people have deja vu experiences. Right. And I like to, you know, kind of use this to say, when you have all of those probabilities, you know, you're just one little movement away from, you know, taking a left or taking a right where the almost exact moment in time could have unfolded, it would have just been a little bit different.

Starting point is 00:32:04 And we're kind of perceiving both of those at the same time. Now, this gets into quantum physics a bit. And so they just redid the double slit experiment. You're familiar with the double slit experiment? Yeah, where sometimes it's a wave. Sometimes it's a, a particle, but it just depends on who we're lying to, right? Well, I think the way I kind of like to describe it is,

Starting point is 00:32:39 is you're shooting electrons through two different slits, and on the back, there's a wall. And where those electron hits, that's called an interference pattern. And so when they notice that the electrical, electrons would be almost traveling through both of the holes and then pick which one they were going to. And then they would, you know, the original experiment was it's a wave until there's an observation. And that observation collapses the waveform into a particle. Similar to how kind of like a choice would collapse the probabilities into reality.

Starting point is 00:33:23 They re-did that experiment with neutrinos and they had a really, really, sensitive setup and they found that neutrinos were actually traveling through both slits at the same time. Wow. So and then you know there would be an instant where one would completely just disappear and the other one would impact the detector. But they were able to detect the neutrino in both slits at the same time. So kind of folding back into how reality unfolds in my hypothesis here is that those probabilities that you see, you get those those deja vu, those are right next to that sensor,

Starting point is 00:34:08 right before it hits the sensor and is actually determined where it's going to be, that observation effect. Both of them are still in the slit. Both of those probabilities of what could happen next are still a potential right in front of you. And then one of them happens and one of them doesn't. but our brains are these, there's this giant pattern recognition

Starting point is 00:34:28 machine and so it's always observing these patterns and so sometimes that pattern was close enough to how we compile reality which there's an estimate I saw a long time ago it takes some four seconds for us to kind of process

Starting point is 00:34:45 reality it's already happened it's just kind of what our the function of our brain and it's the function of every brain so we kind of all live on a pretty consistent reality but that also gets into, you know, how when you have very traumatic events or when your adrenaline starts pumping, we perceive these time dilations where time slows down and time, you know, it seems to almost stop sometimes or time speeds up whenever you're having fun. Yeah. So there's, you know, there's related phenomena, but from a physical level, this is how I see physical reality kind of unfolding.

Starting point is 00:35:24 And then after it unfolds, you know, our choice is reflected back out into the ether, if you will. And it interacts with all of the sea of potentialities, falls into a category of the next probable moments, and then the next reality based upon our next choice and our next choice and our next choice. And the cumulative choices of everything in motion. In your model, if we take it back one step, in your model, Would the brain be like the box that the slits are in? Like, how would that shape up? Well, the brain is going to be.

Starting point is 00:36:05 We're giant transceivers. We're, you know, we receive signals and we broadcast signals. And, you know, various sets of brain waves, frequencies, what have you. Those are, you know, well documented. It's also well documented that if you can induce those types of waves in the brain, you can induce sleep, you can induce, you know, lots of different types of physical phenomena. So I think our brain is, you know, quantum at some aspect. So it is picking up on this, but then it takes those signals and due to the structure of the brain,

Starting point is 00:36:45 then puts those signals and is kind of the collection detector at the end of the experiment. It seems to... So both. Yeah, yeah. I was just going to take it there almost. Like if if we can apply this model to us and in, you know, part of the model is environment, experience, perspective, thoughts, and actions. And at the end of your explanation, you talked about how that reality ball goes out into the ether and then affects other choices and starts the process over again. It almost seems that the, and this, tell me this this sounds crazy, but it seems to me that everything around us is all. also having a choice in some weird sort of way. Like we know that, you know, plants talk to each other and all these other life forms talk to each other. Can your model be applied to the other forces of life out there? Oh, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:37:40 I mean, that's all part of this interwoven tapestry of information. Because everything that's in motion is impacting the next unfolding moment of reality. And you could call those choices. You know, sometimes we call them chemical reaction. Sometimes we call them pheromones. Sometimes we call them, you know, acts of God. Yeah. Even, right?

Starting point is 00:38:09 But all of these things that when they happen, they are going to be propelled out and they're going to influence all of the next happens of reality. Yeah. It brings me to another interesting jump-off point that takes us to psychedelics. I'm a huge fan of psychedelics, and I have found, at least for me and multiple people that I've talked to, is there's this sort of communion with nature. If you take even a small dose of mushrooms or most psychedelics, but for this particular argument, I'll use psilocybin.

Starting point is 00:38:43 On big dose of psilocybin, and if you look back to the different tribes or indigenous people, you can see their connection with nature. And it seems to me that obviously plants can't speak English, but they can't. can use different hormones and they can use different pheromones to communicate with each other. And when you're in a heightened state of awareness, I think you can pick up on those things. I think that in a weird sort of way, by consuming this type of, you know, chemical that is also present in plants, in a weird sort of way, it gives you the ability to communicate with them. Is that just wacky or do you think that there's something to that? Oh, there's definitely something to it.

Starting point is 00:39:23 You know, start with mushrooms just themselves. It's the only thing that breathes oxygen and exhales carbon dioxide in the plant kingdom or fungus kingdom, as it were. But, you know, we kind of consider mushrooms and kind of like plants, but they're actually much more similar to mammals and this side of life than they are to the plant kingdom. And then you also have, so they have, are you familiar with Paul Stammetz? I am, yes. So Paul's done some really interesting studies on, you know, just the effects of all the different mushrooms and whatnot, but also the effects on localized environment. And fungus networks, the mycelium, actually create a communication network under the ground

Starting point is 00:40:16 between different species of plants and trees. And it's not just a communication network. It's also a resource sharing network as they'll share different resources throughout this fungal structure. So, and then when you fast forward that in the humans, they've put people under fMRIs when they're under, you know, psilocybin mushrooms or LSD

Starting point is 00:40:42 and other psychoactive components. And they've actually, detected novel pathways in the brain. So regions of the brain that typically aren't connected, all of a sudden are connected. So now instead of your very, you know, your sensory data for your visual cortex, just hitting the visual cortex and being processed through that mechanism, now all of a sudden there's novel connections to your auditory complexes. And so this is my idea, my hypothesis is this is where you get a lot of like synestasia,

Starting point is 00:41:18 where people see colors, hear colors, things like that. But to your point, to your question, yeah, I think those connections are actually, you know, we're giant transceivers and tennis. And so we're receiving more information. That sensory information is being processed in greater portion. of our brain. And through that process, we are going to naturally pick up just more signals, more information, more data about our environment, about what's around us. You know, there's a lot of very interesting aspects of people having, you know, shared hallucination. And not just, you know,

Starting point is 00:42:02 I kind of saw something, but oh, yeah, we all observe this thing clear as day, no question about it. Well, how could that happen? Well, you know, we could go into that pretty deep, but if you just look at those kind of, that bits of information we just talked about, if all of these novel connections are being made, it's going to be dictated not just about the internal environment, but also the external environment. So all these people sharing the same external environment and the same abundance of information and being very attenuated to it, all making their choices about. how to proceed with this experience, now all of a sudden you have a symphony that starts to happen. You know, and then if we look at other cultures, like a Sufi culture, for instance, they have this whirling dervish dance where they put themselves into a trance, essentially, and it becomes a group of then.

Starting point is 00:43:06 So similar states can be induced without, you know, like a cyclone. active substance, but we produce all those psychoactive substances in our brain as well. Yeah, and 5MEODMT, you know, seeps out of our pineal gland. We have, you know, the ability, you know, we have all these serotonin's and dopamine and noropheneprin and all these other things that when at high levels produce very interesting results. And you can induce that via psychoactive substances. You can be a, you know, extreme exercise.

Starting point is 00:43:42 I've been wanting to train for an ultramarathon for a while, and I've gotten up to about 50 miles a week. And I'll tell you what, when you go on those big long runs, it is, you know, people talk about the runners high. But once you go on a really long run and you really stress your body, all of a sudden you get into just really hallucination. I mean, you know, people claim to see all sorts of stuff on some of these crazy 240-mile races.

Starting point is 00:44:09 That is so crazy. This is a great point. Would you, you had shared a story with me about psychedelics and running. Would you share that story with me and my audience? Sure. Thank you. Well, I decided one day down in the New Mexican desert with an open window of opportunity that I was going to have a bit of a vision class.

Starting point is 00:44:31 And I was left to my own devices with a whole bunch of mushrooms. So I took the mushrooms and I was compelled to run. So I probably ate about five, six grams of mushrooms, and I just went out and started running. And all of a sudden, I was, instead of the normal, like, hallucinatory state, I was in a, basically a flow state. My mind was working a million miles a second. My body was moving better than it ever did. I ended up running 30-some miles and getting sunburned that day. That's so cool.

Starting point is 00:45:12 And then, you know, I woke up the next morning and everything hurt on my body. And I was like, oh, my goodness, what did I do to myself? You know, I had little water blisters. Everything was sore. And so naturally, I decided, well, let's do it again. Let's see what happened. Naturally. Naturally.

Starting point is 00:45:30 So I did it again. And to my surprise, as soon as I went out and started running, I felt great. the sornais started to go away and all of a sudden I was running up hills again and running around and I did another 20-some miles the second day. My water blisters popped. I was red as beat red it could be. And then the third day I woke up and I actually didn't feel bad. And so I said, well, naturally, let's do it again. And so I did it again.

Starting point is 00:46:02 All told I went through about an ounce of mushrooms or so in three days under the sun. And a couple interesting takeaways. One, it allowed me to be very, very active with running. And it reset my body. I went from being pretty overweight at the time to being able to just go out and run eight miles. And it's not a bad thing at all. And then I also don't get sunburnt anymore, which is fascinating. That is fascinating.

Starting point is 00:46:36 I had first heard of this from Paul Stannan. He had mentioned that on an epic mushroom dose down in the tropics of Mexico or something, he got sunburned. And he hadn't been sunburned again. And I was like, huh. And that was four years ago or so. And I have yet to encounter another sunburn. Wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:59 It's mind-blowing me to think about the potentials. There's a lot of, I can't think of the name of the book, but there's a book that talks about indigenous tribes and South America, just all of a sudden, they just do this. They just get up and then they'll go run like an ultramarathon and then they'll do it again. So there's plenty of evidence to support kind of a similar thing that happened to you. Have you thought to yourself, man, maybe I should see if this was an anomaly or have you found some guinea bics to try it on or have you found a way to test out your theory? I have. I've performed a few mushroom ceremonies now for people. And I was able to duplicate my results of, you know, just super energetic, not hallucinatory states, but flow states where, you know, you're able to accomplish just about anything you could imagine running up mountains.

Starting point is 00:47:55 And people who are out of shape or in less than great shape, you know, men, women. So, yeah, it's a duplicatable process, too, which I find fascinating as a researcher and just somebody who's interested in human performance. Yeah, you know, it's interesting to me that there are people out there who are skeptical about psychedelics, but it might be one of the only things in science that is definitely something that can be repeated. Like if you take X amount of mushrooms, you will have a trip, you know, you will have a thing. I was not aware. I've been aware of the feeling of clarity and visions and you know, almost different dimensions and the experiencing of time.

Starting point is 00:48:45 But I have never attempted to try and push my body in a certain way. And I could see how it would work. It makes me want to give it a whirl out there. It sounds fascinating. And I've yet to read that part on statements where he about the sunburn and stuff like that. But there's plenty of evidence out there. It's a fascinating story. It was, it was on a Joe Rogan podcast.

Starting point is 00:49:06 I think he mentioned it. Yeah, it's a really fascinating thing because it does have a consistent duplicatable experience. And, you know, when you can, I mean, this is people who, you know, a couple of people who weren't really even able to walk all that well were all of a sudden jogging up a mountain. So, you know, you could take any pharmaceutical drug in the world. and you're not going to be able to do that. But the symbiotic nature of psilocybin and the human experience, to me, is clear as day. Now, I think there's also methods to that madness, right?

Starting point is 00:49:55 Sure. People who are, you know, if you're just down in 12 grams of mushrooms and looking to go, you know, talk to whatever entity you have, your mind. Well, you know, there's something to be said about that, sure, because it is an experience, but I think, you know, much more to just everyday health, longevity, ability to, you know, be physical. Adding in just a little bit of mushrooms combined with physical exercise and sunlight seems to be a very interesting recipe that I think definitely. should be explored a lot more scientifically and through research.

Starting point is 00:50:41 I think actually Paul just got a $60 million fundraise for his psilocybin mushroom company. So I think it's coming down the pike too. Yeah, it really makes sense if you look at the literature coming from these different psilocybin experiments with PTSD or, you know, depression. and we take those particular studies that most people have read, and we combine it with your ability to go from not being a runner at all, just to be being able to get up and go run. And we also add in the fact that it does a end run around the default mode network

Starting point is 00:51:24 and it changes these parts of the brain. Well, I had a friend whose dad had a stroke, and he had to teach himself how to talk again. And the way that it was explained to me was like, okay, he had a stroke so, you know, broke his area or something was damaged, but if he practiced and he focused and he got, he found a way to talk again to do an end run around that part of the brain. Well, mushrooms are already kind of doing that.

Starting point is 00:51:45 If they are, you know, lighting up different centers and allowing for different connections to be made, it would make sense that you could get over depression. You could get over PTSD. You could move your arm again. You could go run. You could get over all these things because you were in. engaging parts of the brain that help your body act in a certain way. And it's that mind-body connection that's maybe being healed or being connected for the first time in a long time or something.

Starting point is 00:52:14 Like that's fascinating to think about. I agree. You know, I think the demonization of those things is getting close to an end. At the same time, it's going to be an uphill battle too because once you start to, you, start to, you. know, sadly, all of this comes back around to profit and money. Yeah. Why would companies who are making billions of dollars in treatments want to find a cure for something?

Starting point is 00:52:50 Yeah, there's nothing there. Right. I mean, yeah, you know, the people who are genuine healers and want good for people, yeah, we all want the cure for something. But once, again, you know, these good ideas, who's behind them, who's pulling the strings, what's their motivation? And I think that's, you know, we'll probably cycle back around to that often because that's just the state of our society right now, is it not?

Starting point is 00:53:18 Yeah. Yeah, it is. You can see it happening right now. Like I like to follow a lot of the companies and the people that are, I like to read the studies to see what's happening. And it seems to me there's a pretty big divide beginning to happen in the world. especially of psilocybin. And it's like we want to patent this particular way.

Starting point is 00:53:38 We want a patent set and setting. And you shouldn't be able to be a healer. You should come in for treatments, you know. And some people are like, you just need it once and learn how to do it yourself. And then that's the beauty of it, you know. But you can see that fight happening. You can see almost the level of greed and selfishness beginning to creep in under the guise of healing. It's a little sinister.

Starting point is 00:54:00 The same thing happened with marijuana, right? Right. And if you look at the scope of the marijuana business, by and large, all the people who are local farmers and all of these things have been pushed out of the business. You know, state regulations are so cumbersome for a lot of these people when it comes to testing and labeling and all of this stuff that, you know, has been put into play by the states that there's only a handful of companies who can actually pay to pay. play. And I think, you know, everything runs that risk in our society. Any, just because of the nature and the structure of how things are built. The reality of the situation is that the richest people are getting excessively richer while most everybody else is continuing to get poorer and core on a relative scale of things.

Starting point is 00:55:02 And that's just because of the structure of society that we have. You know, it's always geared towards making a dollar, for one. And then whenever there is a great novel idea or a solution or a potential cure or anything like this, it always becomes commoditized, regulated, patented. and before you know it it becomes a double-edged sword and the edge that you're getting is the edge that you really don't want that's funny

Starting point is 00:55:39 yeah it's could you imagine if the wheel was patent like okay no one else can use this you know what I mean? Well you know that happened in the tech world pretty heavily there's patent trolls out there who are like oh no you can't send an electronic message without paying me money.

Starting point is 00:55:59 So, you know, those lawsuits are still happening today with all sorts of different things. It's all a nightmare, the patent it process. And then especially when you combine that with, you know, oh, we're just going to offshore it and ship it out to somebody who's going to steal the IP anyway and release a product for a fraction of the cost. Well, I mean, there's that old adage you get what you pay for. but the whole patent process on it in and of itself is is limiting to people it empowers corporations and limits ingenuity in my personal opinion yeah it just seems like you know imagine if everybody if if somebody came up with a great idea and then other people could make that idea better

Starting point is 00:56:49 without any consequences. I think everybody would be better off. Like, I don't have any patents, so maybe this is just some guy talking and complaining that he's now patents, but it seems to me like there's a lot of great ideas out there that if we're allowed could be built upon by other great people, and it would just make our world better. Did that briefly do another slide?

Starting point is 00:57:11 I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I was going to say, and that's really kind of the advent of open source technology out in the world. And it holds true. I mean, you know, because of open source technology, we've had incredible, you know, programs and systems and things like blockchain technology and all this other stuff come out into a wide world with the potential to really change the world. So you're exactly right in your statement. Yeah, I think that's a, I think what we're talking about is the breaking, the breaking, free of chains. I think that that's why the world is such chaos right now, because you can't put

Starting point is 00:57:54 that genie back in the bottle, whether it's cryptocurrency or whether it's different types of energy or whether it's the shifting magnetic North Pole that's allowing people to wake up or where we are in space or it's the age of Aquarius. Maybe it's all these things combined, but that's what gets me excited is that I can see a different level of freedom being born. And just you and I talking, just the fact that we got to meet up and we've begun having this relationship and talking about things that we both have in common, we both find interesting, and we're both being rewarded and run different parts of the planet. And this freedom, I think, is being born, and the children that are born today are going to be subjected to ideas and freedoms that our

Starting point is 00:58:41 grandparents could only dream of. Absolutely. And on the other side, of the fence? Trials and tribulations. Yes. You know, again, I think looking at the system from a very objective and very large view, you know, we have a broken system at scale. We have, you know, it's, you know, from the top down, everybody's bought and paid for at some level of the game. You can't, you know, just because it costs so much money to play that game.

Starting point is 00:59:17 you know, I've been, I've borne witness to certain instances that I've heard others, but, you know, I saw a person running for a local seat lose. And then what did they do? I was talking to him two weeks after the fact, and all of a sudden, you know, they got a $100,000 offer for their next campaign so long as they decided to, you know, tow the line, so to speak. never heard from that person again, but they won their next campaign.

Starting point is 00:59:51 Imagine that. So, you know, that's kind of, when you have that substructure, because at the root level, structure kind of dictates what happens at, the substructure dictates what happens at reality level.

Starting point is 01:00:08 Like the color of your eyes for anything. Color of your eyes is because the structure in there doesn't absorb the color of light that's reflected back. you know, so these substructures of how everything's built have a grand, grand influence on the final result, the end product. And when you have a system that, you know, was designed to represent the will of the people in the West, and you have on top of that, another system that allows anybody to pay just about any amount if you pull the right strings and cross the right. eyes or dot the right eyes across right teeth, then all of a sudden you have a conflict.

Starting point is 01:00:54 Well, who wins in that conflict? We know who wins. Money wins in that conflict just because of the way that the world exists. And now all of a sudden, money's pulling all of the strings. So who are those people with the money? What is their intent? Why are they pulling the string? It completely corrupts the process that's in place, for one.

Starting point is 01:01:16 worse, it limits all of the future options to have these ideas like an open source thing and limiting these patent protections and stuff. So we could actually have, like, you know, 3D printing is a great example. They used to call rapid prototyping machines because that was the patent. The day that that patent finally expired was the day that 3D printers were born into the world. And 3D printers are a fantastic tool where you have all these open source communities, making all of these CAD design, people making adjustments to them. And wonderful prototyping is happening for all sorts of different really cool things out there. And then because now I can have a $500 3D printer and I can stand on the shoulders of all these giants without having to cut red tape and jump over walls. All of a sudden, I can experiment in my house.

Starting point is 01:02:15 And how many genius ideas are, you know, there used to be the old, it was born in the garage and then was a billion-dollar company. And that was kind of the 90s Google story, right? You don't hear those stories anymore. Nothing's born in the garage anymore. The barrier to entry to all these things has become so prohibitive. And it stays prohibitive because the people who have already entered, they may go. lot more money by keeping it prohibitive. And, you know, so we're, we're sucking a bit of a catch-22 when it comes to that.

Starting point is 01:02:52 But to your point, we also have this global communication. We have this abilities that we've never had before to have conversations to actually, you know, take these ideas, flush them out, find like-minded people, and to impact change, I feel. Yeah, it brings me back to your book. Like, you know, you get into the, you both talk about fractals and you also elude to them. And you make different examples that help me to see the world differently. And I'll give you an example of what I mean. First off, I'll start with, there was a quote.

Starting point is 01:03:34 I forgot who said it, but it was something along the lines of, you can see. the entire universe in a grain of sand. And I think that we can see ourselves in other structures. And it is fractal. You gave in your book, you gave the idea about how our lives are like the changing course of a river. And if you look, if you look at mankind as a river, it's flooding because there are these dams, there are these prohibitive rules and regulations are like dams on this river. But if you look at what's happening in the Netherlands right now, all these tractors like, oh, you're not going to let us farm. Okay, we're going to block everything. It seems to me that the populist revolts that are happening around the world, whether it was

Starting point is 01:04:22 the food cart gentleman in Tunisia, or the yellow vests in France, or the BLM here, or whatever label you want to put on it, it seems like there's this upswell of energy, this upspring of water that it's about to flood over everything. And the people in positions of authority are like, oh, no, the dam's about to break. But that's the idea that I, one of the ideas I get by reading your book is seeing the world as, or humankind as a floating river, to see, see each one of us as our own little raindrop that's eroding down the side of the mountain and following a path that water has gone before us. And I, I want to say thank you for that. Like, it helped me see the world differently. I really appreciate that. Is that something that you had in mind when you were writing

Starting point is 01:05:10 the book? Yeah. You had mentioned last time about how a lot of this seemed original. You haven't read it anywhere. I would say a lot of reason for that is because I didn't go down a traditional path. I didn't read every philosophy book before I decided to write something about philosophy. In fact, I read none of them pretty much. And it was all derived from personal experience, really, on top of my, you know, research and passion for all sorts of different systems, you know, how the world works, how the human body works, how ecosystems work, all of that. And then combining it with, you know, really the underlying how things work at just a general

Starting point is 01:05:58 scale, I got to the point where, you know, I was able to just envision that. you know, and once you can see it, I think you can attest it. You can kind of see it everywhere. Yeah. And it just becomes this ubiquitous perspective that you can now harness to look at the world in a little bit of a different way. And that little bit of a different way has been exceptionally beneficial to me, not just to understand the world and pick apart what's happening,

Starting point is 01:06:28 but how to deal with that on, you know, an emotional level, on a personal level. I mean, if you look at a lot what's going on right now, people are in a state of hysteria. You know, for years, the past couple of years, they've been locked down. Everything that was good has been turned bad in one relative perspective or another, depending on where you are in the world and what your feelings towards a situation are. And on top of that, now it's one crisis after another. Well, if you don't deal with these things psychologically, if you don't have a mechanism, a process, an understanding of the world, a way to dissect and view this at a healthy level, we're seeing it. You have people who are falling off the rails.

Starting point is 01:07:21 You have an uptick of mass shootings. You have all sorts of craziness, crazy responses that are overblown responses to things that people don't even understand what they're response. make it. They're simply reacting because that's the only thing that you can do in a state of hysteria is just react. So, you know, that's from just a big general level, without having that ability to see that flow of humanity, to see the how, you know, the different perspectives of how reality is driven. to be able to understand this information, you're going to be lost to wash in that river, and you're going to be stuck up against the dam. And the pressure is going to build,

Starting point is 01:08:12 and the pressure is going to build, and there will be a problem. The dam will break. Your little existence will be completely overwashed by the rush of the other, you know, the whole world, essentially. And I think without having these conversations, without, you know, reason being brought back in on the to the table, we end up in a very, very detrimental and deleterious and dangerous state. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:08:50 It's that was really well put, really well done. It makes me think that in in your story, you use people being washed up against a dam and being caught. that seems to me a lot like absolute thinking. Like if you're if you have these absolutes and you're just washed up against this wall, and that's exactly what your book does. Ladies and gentlemen, it's called no absolutes. And here's why it's awesome.

Starting point is 01:09:13 If you look at where we're at today, I have found, and I think if you get the best book and read this book, you too will come to the conclusion that if you just take away the absolute, you take away that wall and you have this ability to be, oh, well, maybe that's not true. In fact, that's probably not true. What about this?

Starting point is 01:09:31 It's freeing. It's liberating. And I want to take us to another slide because I would really, I really want to get your opinion on this one here. So, but it blows my mind to think about no absolutes. And I, I know I keep saying it, but it's, it's awesome. I really appreciate the way that, yeah, I think most people will. Can you check, can you tell us a little bit about this slide?

Starting point is 01:09:57 Yeah. So this is the logo of the book. book. And the idea is, you know, a framework. I'm not going to be able to see those because I am blind at a distance here. But, you know, I'll start with the center because I know what that one is. And it's balance. And so, you know, at the center of all this stuff is, you know, it's very important. And this kind of tapers onto what we're just talking about is you need to find a balance. And in a order to find a balance, well, first you have to have a foundation that you can stand on. If you're standing in quicksand, really hard to find some balance.

Starting point is 01:10:41 However, if you can create a perspective of the world that gives you a solid foundation, not one that is absolute, but one that's amorphous and one that changes as you gain more evidence, as you have more experiences, as you look at different perspectives, then you have a foundation that you can establish a state of balance. And being in a state of balance is, you know, people talk about it from multiple different perspectives and have methodologies about it and there's meditations and all of this. But I think fundamentally, most people understand what balance is.

Starting point is 01:11:20 And you don't need to get too metaphysical with it to really kind of convey the idea that when you are balanced and when you can imagine yourself in life being balanced, while everything really moved along at a much more harmonious and synchronous pace. You know, you were happier. The past that you went down were more fruitful. You know, your relationships improve. It's when we get off kilter, when we let things affect us,

Starting point is 01:11:51 and we lose that balance is all of a sudden when we start to, you know, have very negative emotions, get angry, feel depressed, all of these types of, you know, what are mostly called mental health disorders these days, which, you know, there's a lot to be said about that. But again, if we're looking at that as a perspective, it's going to be, you know, you have to take the totality of everything. Where does that all come from? It's an environmentally driven thing combined with a genetic thing. And, you know, just like set in setting can, you know, change somebody from, you know, walking through hell on a trip or walking through a Disney movie Little Fluffy Jungle,

Starting point is 01:12:42 those, you know, that perception of where we're at in life and, and how we got there is, you know, can very much impact. are experience of reality. And then, you know, the tools around it, the points around it were just kind of little axioms that I'd kind of just uncovered in my life or, you know, somebody said to me at random or something like that, like except gifts with grade, which doesn't seem, you know, it's pretty innocuous. But when you really get into that, there is a lot to be said about that, because why does somebody give you something. Somebody gives you something because, you know, despite everything else

Starting point is 01:13:27 that's happening in the world, despite all of their, you know, relationships, all their dramas, all of this stuff, they thought of you and had the intention of giving you something. To not honor that, to not accept that with grace is going to not only make that person feel bad, but not you're not going to have the proper perspective of the gift. Now, how does that influence the future choice of both you and the person giving the gift? Well, person giving the gift is going to be less likely to give gifts. And you as the receiver, well, you're not bettering yourself by being aware that other people are thinking about you in this way. And so you're limiting your choices in the future of how you're going to act and operate in any given income.

Starting point is 01:14:17 Go ahead. I, it's awesome. I'm going to read just a couple other ones because I want to, I want to say something after I read some of the other ones. And it's be aware, don't prejudge. Choose your words wisely. Truth is relative. Seek out new information.

Starting point is 01:14:37 Focus on the change that you can make. All things change. Reflect. And I'm, for those of the, for people that might just be listening, it's an incredible diagram. There's a cube and inside the cube is a triangle and there's a line for balance. And what I want people who are watching this and listening to this to understand is the relevance of the cube and the different dimensions of the cube. It seems to me like a freeing way to think, which probably ties into framework, if people do have mental problems, and we all kind of do, but you can just turn a little bit.

Starting point is 01:15:14 If you can just turn your thoughts a little bit to a different side of the cube, then you can see a different dimension. And that should be able to give you something to focus on to pull you out of that mental condition you're in, whether it's the idea of getting a gift gracefully or, you know, choosing your words wisely and how they affect other people and how that reflects back on you and how truth is relative. What was, how did you come up with the idea to create this diagram in a cube like that? How'd you do that? that was that was just uh grit and determination i was you know you've you've gone down the book writing path a bit i think right yeah so it's not easy to write a book it's not it's you know you think it's you think it's going to be easy when you started especially when you're ramped up on the idea but you know a couple months of sloshing into the thing all of a sudden you're like wow this is actually pretty damn difficult what am i do

Starting point is 01:16:15 doing? What am I doing? Yeah. And, you know, I knew the overall, the whole idea was, oh, yeah, no absolutes. And then the framework for life came as I was writing it. And as I wrote these things, I started to see a cube. I started to see all of these different aspects. And a lot, you know, they all deal with perspective at the end of the day. And to your point, you know, just one little turn of the cube, all. alters that perspective. And those alterations of perspective, everybody's familiar with. Somebody opens the door for you, a stranger, and smiles at you and says, have a good day, who doesn't work at wherever. They just did it because they saw you coming. That'll change somebody's day in an instant. And it's just that little shift of perspective.

Starting point is 01:17:06 And so as I was writing, the framework idea was born. And then, you know, the cube seemed the natural. I'm a big fan of sacred geometry. And the cube became the building block with the triangle inside of, you know, a more foundational building block. Yeah, the intent was to have a second book that would expand on that a little bit. But we'll see when that comes out. Yeah, they are.

Starting point is 01:17:38 Yeah, they are. It's, but there's, you touched upon something. There's something that begins to happen to you in that creative state. When you get to the point of like, oh, God, no one's going to read this. What am I doing? And then, or, you know, somewhere at that junction, another voice kicks in and is like, hang on, I got you. Just put the pen to paper.

Starting point is 01:18:00 I'll write it for you. You know, it's almost like something starts writing through you. And then it just, it's this weird idea of being in touch with maybe a higher consciousness that could be yourself or tapping into information that's all around us? You know, I think this is really attributed in antiquity to divine inspiration. That's what it is typically called. Now, you can look at it. So I have similar instances.

Starting point is 01:18:31 Mostly when I have a really hard programming challenge and I just can't figure it out. Well, I've learned over the years that if, you know, if I can't figure it out in 20 minutes, I just go to bed and I wake up the next day. In my mind, I just figured it out. And it's, and I'll solve it within the first two minutes of playing with it. So what's happening there, right? And there's quite a few perspectives to look at that. One that I like to look at is, you know, for instance, when you go to sleep and your brain's processing all this information, all of the, all of those information, all of those. these little subconscious things happening or they're it's reevaluating every little sensory data throughout the day it's adjusting you know behaviors and chemical release based upon you know all of the cumulative actions of your life and contrasted with today's sensory data and we and that's you know we write our memories and we do all of these other things and all of these processes foment in our sleep and then you wake up and all of a sudden the pathway to understand that information, that sensory data, now exist.

Starting point is 01:19:43 And I think that what you're doing, you know, we're tapping into just that greater source of information. You know, again, we're in antennas. We're picking up all this information. And it might not be, you know, you might not even know that it was when you walked, when you decided to take a walk because you couldn't solve something that. it created that right pathway to do it. Because you saw a sign that gave you the hint of that brought in an old memory that

Starting point is 01:20:15 allowed you to solve this new problem. You know, you could probably dissect that with the proper experiments and a lot of, you know, a lot of funding and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I don't think that that truly matter. I think what really matters is, you know, that we're able to do that.

Starting point is 01:20:35 And tapping into that, you know, some call it the Akashik records, you know, that I like to call it, you know, the plane of information. But essentially we're, you know, we're all responding to all of these other movements and motions of everybody else. And we're experiencing this collective reality. And that collective reality is, you know, always at some level divinely inspired. You're always, we're always moving within this sea of information, collecting more data and then making our next choice and thereby creating more data and impacting the choices of others and things around us, sometimes to a lesser extent, sometimes to a greater extent. Yeah, I like, I like the idea of marrying what you just said to the previous slide of choice. And I like to think of that story or writing these books and becoming that that reality ball that goes out into the world and then it goes into someone else's little container. And like now because of what you did, because of maybe the book I wrote, like the allowing yourself to become an inspiration or a ball of change for someone else.

Starting point is 01:21:56 Like there's something so awesome about that that is worth more than any dollar amount to know that you've created. created something that can help another person make sense of a problem is its own reward. And I want everybody listening to this to know that if you're listening to this, you can do that. In fact, you have done it. You may not be conscious of it, but you have done it. But if you try to be conscious about it, you'll get better at it. And it'll become addictive. And it'll be something that becomes a positive agent for change in the world.

Starting point is 01:22:29 And I hope everybody listening can do that. I hope they all get to feel what you and I are feeling. Me as well. You know, it's, as you said, it's liberating. That was, you know, I, and back to the beginning of what you said, you know, we all kind of are slaves in digital slaves in an instance, right? We're all, we're all a part of this greater machinery. And, you know, being able to have.

Starting point is 01:22:59 have liberation from that because we're taught in school that things are X, Y, and C, A, B, and C, and C, and and blue, red, and green. And there's no question about it because obviously these people, you know, it's written in a book. Why would you question it? It's written right there. It's written right in front of you. Why would you question it? You know, and that creates a lot of problems. That absolutism, you know, puts people, you know, stuck in the desert in little boxes of sand. And it breeds all sorts of really, you know, bad things in the world, this tribalism that we have, the us first them and all of these other things where it doesn't need to be that way.

Starting point is 01:23:44 And just a subtle shift in perspective can allow you to really be liberated from that whole process. And then you get to choose what sort of, what sort of processes in that big, machine that you want to be a part of, that you do resonate with, that you do identify with. And not just because it feels good or your family does or your friends do or that's what, you know, the headline says, but because you actually have a rational understanding or at least you have reasoned faith about what you're looking at in the world. And to the point, one of the words are important, choose your words wisely, you know, a lot of people use the word belief. And to me, belief is a dangerous word.

Starting point is 01:24:35 Belief is a suspension of reason. If I'm believing you, I am suspending my ability to reason about the situation and I'm just taking everything that you're saying as truth. well, how can that be dangerous? I think we can see that. It's very dangerous whenever this happened. You know, just look at things like believe the science, which is a ridiculous statement. Or, you know, when people are arguing these days,

Starting point is 01:25:05 they believe a candidate. They believe X, Y, and Z. Well, you're suspending your ability to logic and reason through these potential problems. that I find is one of the the largest travesties that's occurring on a daily basis. You know, and it's one of the reasons that I felt compelled to be,

Starting point is 01:25:30 you know, do some podcasting and things like that. Yeah, I believe that this Kool-Aid will free us. I believe these black Nikes will get me to the mothership. You know, I forgot there was a really incredible American, Native American active American,

Starting point is 01:25:47 an activist that I don't think it might have been Leonard Pelt here but I remember him giving a speech about you know what he said almost the same thing he's like I'm sick and tired of people in their beliefs maybe you think maybe you know but don't believe but your beliefs causing your beliefs are causing problems and killing people and it was I should find out who it was it was such a powerful speech that he gave and like I was like that was the first time that I heard it I was like oh my gosh he's right like these these beliefs are so overwhelming and they if we if belief belief wielded by the wrong person can end up enslaving people or genociding people it's it's it just goes to show how powerful we are but yeah I like that I think that beliefs become a framework that is limiting

Starting point is 01:26:41 beliefs become a box that you're trapped in and in pretty soon those beliefs become so comfortable and so warm that you don't want to leave. And it's one knot of your own making, which makes it all that much more dangerous. Because if you put yourself in your own box, at least you know where the box is. But if you put yourself into somebody else's box, now you've lost your own box and you don't know where the walls of the box are. You're, you know, it's fascinating to me that, We have this influx of communication, and yet we have such a lack of conversations like this.

Starting point is 01:27:26 Agreed. Agreed. It's both scary and liberating to hear the words of some different cult leaders. You know, I don't, I'm not a fan of cults, but I am enamored with the way in which charismatic leaders. have the ability to communicate in a way that is so powerful. And, you know, I remember reading about how corporations would study Charles Manson and Jim Jones and try to harness these ideas to get their message across, you know, and it's, I say it's scary because these ideas of communication can be used to wield incredible

Starting point is 01:28:13 violence. But on the flip side of that, the same communications can be used to liberate people. And it just depends how, which way they decide to go. But this idea of communication, this idea of absolutes and no absolutes, this idea of thinking outside the box, this idea of being trapped in the box. It all happens in between the box in your head. And you have that key to free it. You know, I think that there's a, there's a lot to be said about that. Me as well. I wrote a book. A great book about it. A great book about it. I got another slide I want to take us to right here.

Starting point is 01:28:51 How are you doing on time? You okay? Yeah, I'm fine. Okay, good. Oh, I hit the wrong button here. Excuse me for a minute. Okay. It's always something. It's always something. And it always will be something here.

Starting point is 01:29:06 So this particular slide is the infinite sea of potential. Every conceivable possibility unfolding and affecting one moment to the next moment of reality. And in the slides, people who are just listening, there's a series of three waves cresting, and it says choice in reality. I think this does a good job and is a beautiful metaphor for humanity.

Starting point is 01:29:28 If you think of humanity as the ocean and each individual life as a wave, part of humanity, it rises up and then it falls. But it also fits well with our choice and our reality collapsing in on each other. And these were some of my interpretations, maybe you can give the actual interpretation of what it meant when you wrote it. Well, you're pretty on point.

Starting point is 01:29:52 You know, viewing, and I would actually probably add another infographic if I were to rewrite this today, or maybe a movie. So it's also interesting in that metaphor when you're looking at the ocean. There's all sorts of very interesting phenomena that happen in the ocean. You have things like rogue waves or spike waves. you have these massive guires that, you know, just kind of slowly, just, you know, churn. And a lot of it's due to the structure of the ocean, but it's also the movement of the waves. And so there's a really cool video about a spike wave. They have a spike wave generator, and all of a sudden you'll see moving water,

Starting point is 01:30:36 and then you see a wave that shoots up, you know, 100 feet above the rest of the water line. I never knew what a spike wave was. It's a similar phenomenon to like a rogue wave where it's just the right amount of motion in a given area just puts more and more energy in a centralized location and then all of a sudden that energy just escapes or just grows and creates a massive wave in the instance of a rogue wave. And again, we see those similar things happen. we see momentum move around an idea, you know, a place, you know, a fad, a TikTok video, these things. And then you see these spikes of now it becomes almost impossible to ignore. We also, you know, and so we see these kind of physical phenomena that we can relate to the human experience of humanity. And, you know, just like the river flowing, these different kind of thought experiments,

Starting point is 01:31:44 these models that you can view in your head, they allow you to walk around a situation and view it from different perspectives where, you know, you're not attached to one of those perspectives, and instead you're viewing the system as a whole or as close to a hole as you can view it. And then you're able to make a more informed choice about what's happening, have a better perspective, able to, you know, on a personal level, able to deal with your emotional responses to the situations that are happening, you know, able to mentally put yourself in proper places of understanding of, you know, it's always something. It was a perfect example. Well, and it is always going to be something.

Starting point is 01:32:30 But when you're aware of that, then instead of, it's always something is, it's always something. And there's a very important distinction in that perspective. I think you would agree. Absolutely. Absolutely. There's, I never thought about this until hearing what you just said, but it's such a beautiful way. Like now that I've heard the way you've described it, another idea comes to me in that looking at this is sort of like looking at trigonometry, like signs and cosigns and waves of

Starting point is 01:33:04 destruction or I think about being in the ocean and surfing and seeing how waves come and sets. You know, it is going to be something like that. And in some ways, I wonder if this is just a weird way of reality showing us mathematics in a different way. Like it allows you to be part of the sign or the cosine waves and it allows you to participate in the grand geometry or trigonometry that is the daily lives we live. You know, it's so beautiful in so many ways to see how this infographic connects and there's probably a million ways I'm not even thinking of right now, but it's fascinating to think. Can you talk like, what does it mean when we spoke earlier about reality collapsing in on itself? What do you think it, how do these waves represent that?

Starting point is 01:33:53 Well, I would say, you know, it's not so much of a collapsing on itself. It's that it reaches a point of of no return essentially, a phase shift. You know, like all of a sudden, water gets too cold and then it turns into ice. It has a phase shift. Well, energy gets to a certain point of potentiality of all, and then the probabilities and then reality. And reality is that phase shift, where all of those probabilities have stacked up to a point where now there's going to be, for us, a physical occurrence in reality.

Starting point is 01:34:32 I've talked about, I talked a little bit of, I was actually talking about this slide when the funnel was up because I couldn't see it. But, you know, so it's more of a phase shift. And so when we have these waves crashing together, it's all this information, all these choices, all of this motion, all of the thoughts, all of the words, all the deeds, all the choices compacting into a moment. And our perception of that moment is what we call reality. Yeah, I also see in here, like, I see the three waves and I see like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, you know, Miley Cyrus, like there's this pattern and this raising of waves, not exactly the same height, but the same form and the same breaking in, you know, a wave, I think a wave height, I think a wave breaks in water that's half as deep of its height.

Starting point is 01:35:31 And there's probably a formula you could use to apply that to reality in other ways. You know, there's so much to learn just by watching this, which brings us full circle to the idea that you can see the nature of reality and the grain of sand. Just the way you can see the rise and fall of new addition or in sync in the three waves ahead of us. So can you see it in this image right here. And again, again, you're probably getting tired of hearing this. This is all in the book, No Absolutes. And it's graphics like this that, Benjamin, that really one, that really got me to want to talk to you because I've never seen it represented this way.

Starting point is 01:36:13 And I think that even someone without a background in mathematics or without a background in science can look at the infographics, that makes a lot of sense to me. And they'll be able to actually grasp concepts that maybe only get taught in a precalculus class, but they can look at this graph of a wave and be like, oh, I get it. It's a beautiful way of describing a complex situation in the form of a picture that allows a person to come up with their own idea of it. And that to me has always been the best mentors to me as someone that would use the Socratic method, just ask me a question and force me to come up with the answer. And I think that that's what these images do. Well, I'm glad the intention got through. Thank you. no I you know we talked about it as above so below is a is an old Gnostic saying and you know there's a lot of perspectives to that you know just like being able to view the in sync

Starting point is 01:37:10 Britney Spears Christina Aguilera through this it falls right into that as above so below we can see these movements these motions and you know they're almost predictable almost is the key word there But when you get to larger scales, then they become even more predictable. You know, for instance, and this is an interesting segue, city of Chicago, some program, AI program that they ran their crime data, where it was able to predict future crime up to one week in advance with 90% accuracy. So they claim. You know, this is this is exactly.

Starting point is 01:37:56 that method being applied probably not in the way that it should. Right, right. But it's exactly, so they're taking the topology of the city and they're taking the crime rates of different, you know, types of crimes and they're running

Starting point is 01:38:15 that through time and based with some other things and they're able to predict with pretty decent results of the occurrence of the next incident. you know, this is, this is again the, you know, the potentiality, the probability and the reality coming into play. Again, not a good application for this. I think, you know, a lot of us our age-ish-solved minority report.

Starting point is 01:38:43 That wasn't good for anybody, I don't think. Sometimes I think it's just Peter Thiel, like frantically reading Philip K. Dick novels. Like, I can make this happen. I can do this. Well, it's very interesting. You know, they're kind of looking at science fiction and then reality, you know, fast forward 50 to 100 years. And it's uncanny how many things from science fiction's past make it into science. Science is present.

Starting point is 01:39:14 Yeah, how much of how much of science fiction readers are just clairvoyant priests? You know, it's, I heard a pretty interesting argument that said, our memories come from the future. And it would make sense that someone is somehow in a state where they see the future, but really they're seeing a memory and then they're able to recreate it. You know, like I should look up where I saw that out.

Starting point is 01:39:42 Yeah, it's, and it gives a lot of credence to science fiction writers as, you know, we think of them as visionaries, but might it be better to think of them as memoraries or memories, you know? Well, it's interesting. You know, in my model of information, I would, I kind of came to the conclusion with my research that the universe is a four-dimensional hypersphere. And I'm sure you're familiar with like a tesseract. I am. Yes. Yes. And you've probably seen the animation where it's kind of all flowing through each other, each other.

Starting point is 01:40:18 So the idea behind a four spatial dimension object. like that is that every single point would be connected to every other single point in the object. So every single potentiality that could be kind of exists out there

Starting point is 01:40:36 and then as those potentialities get closer to reality, they turn into those probabilities that 90% prediction and then the reality is when that crime's actually committed in what we were talking about before.

Starting point is 01:40:52 And so when you have this, this interconnection of all information, you know, and this ties back into the Akashik records, the divine divine inspiration, you know, you're drawing from the potentiality of all things, essentially, in my model. And if you're drawing from the potentiality of all things, those could be future things, those could be past things, those could be, you know, multi-dimensional things, those could be multi-dimensional things, those could be multi-universal things. You know, and, you know, all of that, you know, we could go down those rabbit holes as much as you like. Yeah, I think there's something to be said about our lack or our language that is lacking. Like we have an incomplete language. We don't thoroughly understand what people mean when they say words to us because each one, one of us has a different definition of that same word, especially when you look at different cultures and some tonal languages. And, you know, you take George from Caucasian acres and you put

Starting point is 01:42:04 them in Hawaii and there's all these people from Japan and China. And I don't, why am I rude? I'm not, I just always talk like this. What my hands? Is that offensive? I'm sorry. I don't mean to be. You know, but it's so difficult that we can actually have a conversation and a civil conversation where we can get points across without having a better language. But I think we're on the cusp of that. And I think what you were talking about, about the Tesseract in each point being connected and being able to see different points of view. I think we're just beginning to get to this point where we can communicate effectively.

Starting point is 01:42:42 We're definitely trying. At least some of us are. You know, there's on the, there's other ends of the spectrum, too. So true. Yeah. You know, it's really interesting because, you know, you see like debates these days. You know, you know, presidentials, just people on the internet, whatever. And, you know, they start off and, you know, it's, well, I'm going to say it this way because I feel that these words mean this.

Starting point is 01:43:10 And well, I'm going to say it this way because I feel that these words mean this. When we don't have an agreement of the definition of the words that we're using. Right. We're never going to have an agreement. You know, because if you think that up means down and I think that up means up, we're going to be at odds. Yeah, we want the same thing. Imagine that.

Starting point is 01:43:35 Benjamin, I'm having an absolute blast. And I would talk to you longer. I've got to go drive this truck. Where can people find you? What would you want to leave people with? What's a, what's a, give us where you're at. All the links will be down below. but I would like to hear people hear from you where you're at

Starting point is 01:43:52 and what you're working on and where they can find you. And of course, we'll be back next week, but let me throw it to you. All right. Benjamin C.George.com is the hub for all of my things. These days, I'm working a lot with automation and my lifelong passion project, which is the Tara Lieber project.

Starting point is 01:44:12 And the idea is, you know, all these things we're talking about, how can you actually use these conversations, and solve real societal problems. And so that's kind of my current focus these days. And you can find more on that on the website. Again, Benjamin C.George.com. And thank you so much, George.

Starting point is 01:44:31 I'm loving the conversation. Can't wait for next week. Yeah, me too. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back next week. Do yourself a favor. Pick up the book. It's no absolutes. Free your mind.

Starting point is 01:44:41 Have great conversations and try to inspire people. That's what we got for today. So, uh, aloha. Thank you.

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