TrueLife - BMX Hawaii: Chase Hatton, Stunts, and the Art of Flow on Two Wheels

Episode Date: September 6, 2021

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The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Seraphini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Alright, here we are Labor Day weekend, hanging out with the great Chase Hatton, my nephew. I haven't seen my friend Chase here for probably a few months. a few months at least

I don't remember the last time I seen you man when's the time we saw each other it's been a while I think it's been probably over three years now

yeah right around there yeah it's crazy it is crazy and I gotta say I'm super thankful like I've been working on

podcasting and I'm a bit I'm an older guy I'm almost a boomer here I got my nephew who's been doing some music and he's been doing some BMXing

and I got to tell you the last time I saw him It was kind of like a kid, but now he's like a man. You know? And so I just want to kind of get into Chase. Like, what have you been up to? And maybe we could start with, like, I know you've been doing a lot of BMXing, and I kind of want to get into the law of attraction and tattoos you got and stuff like that.

But why don't you start telling me a little bit about your journey from doing the stairs down in Mililani to where you are now and some of the things that you've learned from BMXing and where you are? Okay. So I didn't start BMXing. I started skateboarding with all of my friends. I think that was back in like second grade or something. And everybody just, we would all go to the park and we all kind of follow each other's lead.

And one person got a BMX bike and then like chain reaction, everybody else got one. And then after that, everybody just fell in love with it. You could go faster, you could go higher in the air. You slam harder, but it's always worth it. in the end. But, uh, yeah. And, uh, BMX, one of the biggest things that it's taught me, guarantee is like, just toughen up. You're going to fall, you're going to slam hard, but you got to get back up and just go for it again. And another thing is like, it's discipline.

It's like mentally disciplined because when I did do the sixth grade stairs at Milalani or Ward Rail, I had to get into my mind. I had to shut off all. my thoughts and just put my body through the motions because I knew that I had the skills to do it. And, yeah, that's so. That's awesome. It makes me think, let me throw this out at you, when you were doing those stairs, did you, and I think this is something we all go through, when you did those stairs, guaranteed you didn't do it on your first try.

No. And, you know, did you have friends in your circle of friends that you knew for a fact were scared to do those stairs? Yeah, most definitely. I mean, they were doubting me. They would tell me that I wasn't able to do it. And that just pushed me so much further because I wanted to prove them wrong and show them, you know what?

Oh, I'm going to do it right now. And that's pretty much what happened on every rail. Like, we literally went from town, and I hit one rail, and then we just, I continuously hit rails throughout the day. and then I worked my way up until from, I think it was a seventh stair, it was my first one, and at the end I hit the 14 stair at the middle school. It's awesome.

I know that any guy listening to this right now who's ever had a circle of friends knows exactly what that's like, and every guy knows which guy they were in that circle of friends. You know, it stokes me to hear you say that because what you said was, like, As soon as they told me I couldn't do it, it made me want to do it more. Exactly. And it kind of seems to me like that's a lesson that a lot of people never learn that lesson.

Or a lot of people are too afraid to learn that lesson. You know, and ultimately in life, you're going to learn that lesson. Oh, yes, sir, eventually. You know, and it's so much better to do it when you're your age, and you can apply that same philosophy to your life. Exactly. You know, one of my lovely wife's favorite songs is by Frank Sinatra. And it's called, that's life. And it says, you know, whenever I find myself flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back in the race.

Yes, sir. You know, like, I think that whether you're a man, a woman, a child, wherever you are, every one of us is slammed on our face before. And it's so inspiring to hear people talk about, hey, here's what happened when I got up. Yeah. Everyone's so focused on the crash. Yes, sir. But the most important part is, like, what happened when you got up? No.

You know, and one other quote that I heard that was awesome was like this, I think it's from Rocky. And he's like talking to his son and like his son is all upset because his dad's fighting. You know, and his dad comes out and he's like, listen, son, you're never going to believe this. But you used to fit right here in my hand. You know? Yeah. And you know what? You got a good life and you're a tough kid.

But somewhere along the way, you know, you let someone stick a finger in your face and tell you you ain't good enough. And like his son starts to get kind of bummed a little bit. he's still mad and his dad goes, listen, life is hard and nothing hits as hard as life, you know, but it's not about how hard you can do. It's about how hard you can get hit and get up and keep moving forward. Yes, sir. You know, and so, like, those are the old school BMX days for you. So you've obviously hit a bunch of different parks around here today, and you just came from IAIA or Pearl City?

Pro City. Tell me about that park and why. why you like that park and why that's different from other parks? So the parking process is called Manana. And it's ever since I was a kid, every, all the OG VMXers would, every Sunday, everybody goes there and it's kind of like just a family, like it's real family vibes. You know everybody that's there. If you don't know them, they'll introduce themselves and everybody's cool.

But everybody shows up on Sundays, so we go out there on Sundays, meet up as a group. kick it, ride, push each other, and just try to keep the vibes high, you know what I mean? Yeah. But that park, compared to like Mila Lani, Mila Lani skate park, the transitions, the way that they shape the concrete is wild. Like the ramp will throw you differently than it will two feet away from where you jumped. But Pearl City is just, it's like consistent. It's completely consistent. Everything is nicely shaped.

It throws you the right way, the right place. whoever knew or whoever built that park knew exactly what they're doing yeah that was my next question like that sounds like an engineering issue right like big time yeah yeah when you say it's like a when you go to that park manana right yeah like when you say it's a family like structure there is that is that like there's been the older guys like did you go do when you were a kid and now you're the older guy there or is it kind of like that how it's explaining me how it's more of a family there. So that when I was maybe like middle school, the OGs were maybe like late 20s, like 28 to 30s. And then now that I'm 22, they're all like 40s, 50s. So they're all cool guys.

They're all chilling. And then they bring their kids, all the young, the up and coming generations, they'll come through. And then we'll try and pass on our knowledge to them, and make them push themselves, how the OGs pushed us back in the day. And, yeah. But, I mean, it really is a family vibe because, like, it's not only, like, moms, dads, uncles, aunties. There's tents that are set up there all outside the park, inside the park. Everybody is just, everybody's chill with each other at Manana. Nice.

Yeah. It's awesome. So it must be, I can imagine it must be pretty awesome. I'm like in my mind, my hallucination, I can see like a young chase going there and like maybe doing like coming off the, coming off one of the hits and like doing some bar spin, you know, years ago. And then now you're there and you see one of the guys that taught you with his kid. Maybe you're teaching him a trick or something. Like, have you had that happen to you before? Like, so somebody taught me a trick and then their kid comes up and they teach them.

Yeah. Yeah. Not so much in that extent. Right. All of my, the OGs, don't, haven't had as much kids. Right, right. Yeah, I mean, I definitely pass on my knowledge to all the younger kids, though. Yeah.

Like, if I see that, they're street oriented or oriented, if they like to go hit handrails, if they like ledges compared to ramps and dirt jumps, then I'll take them under my wing and I'll teach them every grind, how to do it, what to think about when you're doing it, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yes, sir. Isn't it interesting? So if you think about some of the accomplishments,

whether it's handrails or just different hits and stuff like that, you know, when you go through them and you crash or you pull it off, you get a certain feeling. Yeah. But when you're taking a kid under your wing or you're showing them something, then you relive that same experience in a different way. And now you have the ability to show somebody else. Like, can you speak to the...

Like the difference in actually doing something versus actually teaching something? Yeah. I mean, like, back in when I was taught how to do things, it was you had to do it. Like, I'm not even joking, man. The older guys were very, they were pressure, peer pressure to the max. They would take if every try that we tried the trick, if we didn't land it the first time, they would take a bolt off of our bike that we didn't necessarily need right at the, that time they would take it and then if you didn't do it and enough tries your bike's going to

just freaking fall apart and eat it even harder so they push us man yeah they and nowadays we tell the young ins to go do something small or something big doesn't matter but there is that hesitation with them and they don't want to do it and then we'll try i mean i try and push as much as i can Right. But I don't want to, I mean, yeah, I don't want to do the same thing that happened to me, but, I mean, you have to be pushed like that sometimes, though. Right? Yeah.

Looking back on it, can you see, like, why those older guys did that? Like, they were like, we're going to make you do it. Yeah. Most definitely, dude. Like, by the age that the young kids are right now, we were doing some insane stuff. We were sending hand rows. We were doing. not flips I'd say but like 720 spins and stuff like that and they don't really now that you can

see a little digression and you can see there's not that many next generation of riders because I don't know what's up with it it's falling out or whatever but you guys like you need to start taking bolts off bikes for real man for real yeah how do you think Hawaii rates yeah like how do you think Hawaii rates, like I don't know much about BMXing, but I know that there's like a national circuit and a whole international scene on it. Does Hawaii

have a ranking in that for BMX guys? Or is it, how does Hawaii look when it comes to BMX? I know we have a ranking when it comes to BMX racing. BMX, freestyle, however. We don't have anything. There's no ranking system. We're not even on the

map whatsoever. Like compared to the mainline guys, mainline companies I mean actually my friend Jordan he went out to California moved out there for a little bit he got sponsored as an amateur rider as a for brand name Colt which is pretty big in the BMX industry but sure what's the question I lost the track we were just talking about Hawaii's role as far as like BMXing and stuff like that yeah I mean this there's not much of a scene out here to be honest.

I mean, like, the scene is family-oriented. Like, when we get all the BMX riders over here pretty much know each other. Like, we all, it's all family-oriented. Like, we just keep everything in Hawaii. That's kind of why we do. We did start Ride High, which is a website, R-I-D-E-H-I, as in Hawaii.

That doesn't, like, smoke a bunch of weed? That's a different website. Yes, sir. But, yeah, it's just, has all the, anything that comes out of Hawaii, BMX, is on that website.

Nice. And the, would, and that, that website is like, um, is that family oriented too? Like,

that's kind of trying to take care of all the guys here and the people that run it are, are pretty much guys that have been in the scene and have a passion for it. Yeah, that's like the, it's the OG guys that run the site. And then, like,

whenever a young kid, like, when I was popping up BMX videos on YouTube, they would just put the, the video straight to their page and then tell them like put on Instagram promote it dude oh nice yes sir nice and then so can on that website do they it's ride high alright how's it again R-I-D-E-H-I dot com nice and if if anybody was to like say some kid from Ohio's like what I want to check this out can he go on

there and can he upload videos or what's it like when you go to that exact site so when you go to the site, I think it's like a palm tree background, island vibes. And then it just is, you just scroll down the site and it has every video that, every BMX video that's come out of Hawaii pretty much.

Oh, that's awesome. Mm-hmm. Yeah, well, we'll put a link in the show notes and then maybe we'll get a video next Sunday or something like that

or if we go down to Monano, you know, or when you start getting yours going. Yeah. What, um, I guess we could shift gears. Like, you were telling me,

about the law of attraction. Like, what is the law of attraction? And what is your, what is it you find so interesting about it? So the law of attraction to me is like, you surround yourself with what you want. Like, if I want, if I want to become a pro BMX rider, I'm going to surround myself with BMX brands, BMX products, people that are riding BMX.

I'm just going to completely indulge in it. And I believe that, I think that everything in the world has an energy or some kind of vibration or something and I feel like us as humans can actually connect with it and like put a put our mark on the world or something like that like we can create things with this energy and I I've experienced it firsthand I mean I've written him no books a bunch of stuff that I'm gonna that's gonna happen a bunch of stuff that I want to happen and stuff like that and it's it's gone down exactly how I put it in the notebook is crazy yeah I think it's fascinating I think it was Henry Ford who said

whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can't either way you're right you know and there's all kinds of books written about people and you know you hear quotes like fake it till you make it and like yeah what I've learned is that the reality you live in is the one you say you live in you live it. Have you ever had a friend? It's like, oh, I'm a pro this. And I'm like, dude, no, you're not. You are not that.

Dude, I see you, dude. You are not that. Yeah. But in his mind, he's like, yes, I am. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, what a dummy. You are not that. And I always laugh at you.

But in a few years, like, the guy is that. He's still not very good at it. But he is that. And then after I did that for a while, I started looking at myself and I'm like, dude, who the hell am I to judge that guy and tell him what he's not? Dude, I have more respect for that guy now

Because he taught me like I was the one, maybe I was bringing him down. Maybe that's why that guy don't want to hang out with me. You know, you learn a lot about yourself from the way you think about other people. And what you just said about the law of attraction, I think, is something that most people know about, but only a few people really follow that. If you truly believe in something. Yeah. You know, what you are attracted to is that which is meant to be for you. Yeah, exactly.

And even if you're moving, maybe that thing you think you want isn't exactly it, but it's in that direction. Yes. It's like a lure, you know what I mean? It's a path that you're being pulled to. Yeah. Exactly. What do you tell? And there's multiple paths.

Right. And you just got to go to the one that is pulling you with that. You can, I call it a little. I get like tingles in my body where I know things are right. Like I just know it. Like I'll get a tingle or some people it's like a voice in their head kind of sometimes. Yeah. But like I have random voices that'll tell me, bro, you should be riding right now.

What are you doing? You're laying on the couch watching TV, bro. Get your out. Get out. Right? And start riding. Right. Force yourself do something, dude.

Yeah. I feel like that's just the universe helping me get off the couch and start putting my everything into motion you know what I mean yeah yeah do you think a lot of people have that voice in their head they just ignore it yeah I think everybody's got the voice yeah I'm got that little voice that tells them either to do right or wrong right that's the same voice that I see but everybody sees that voice differently yeah it's interesting like I'm a huge fan of like mental illness yeah you know probably because I'm mentally ill you know we all have our own little flavor of like mental disorders or whatever.

Yeah. And I was reading this book about schizophrenia. And in schizophrenia, for those people who may not know, it's these people that hear voices in their head, but the voices tell them to do crazy things. Like you should kill your dog. You should throw your refrigerator off the roof. You know, just you should rob this bank and then throw all the money in the ocean.

You know, like just crazy stuff. Yeah. And so in this book I was reading, it was a doctor interviewing this man. It was very candid. And he had asked the patient, like, I understand there's voices in your head, but why do you do what the voices tell you to do? That's true. And so the patient says, you know, doctor, I can, it's difficult for someone who doesn't have it to understand. He goes, as someone who has schizophrenia, I can imagine what you must think of a voice.

voice in your head, but it's not that same voice. He's like, what I have in my head as a schizophrenia patient is like the following. And the way he described it was this. Imagine somebody getting in your face like this close, like nose to nose, eye to eye, and saying, you

are going to kill the dog now. And you close your eyes, you're like, no, I'm not. And the voice gets louder and more violent and angry. So you turn away and you run. But as soon as you turn around and run, there's the guy, nose to nose, yelling louder. and it will not go away

until you do what that thing tells you to do. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, you know, and it's like if that is some sort of miswiring in there, and like let's say that you and I and everybody else has the ability to tap into that, you know, God-like voice in the head that can help us do good. You know, maybe we can,

like, you know, you said you have a strategy where you get tingles or you hear that voice too good and you follow it when it tells you to do good things. You know, I wonder if, I wonder if us talking about this now will help other people listen to that voice. What do you think? Yes, sir. I hope so, man.

I really do. And the big part, like a big influence of mine about all this is a guy named Charlie Rocket. I don't know if you've heard of him. He, like, he founded a rapper, two chains, went along with that. style of life and then he was like 300 pounds plus dropped down to one something and then did Iron Man's he just did a bunch of stuff and that that's my biggest inspiration what we were saying we were just talking about how how we heard the voice in our head and then we end up having inspiration of following that voice oh yeah you know so I mean like

I actually keep on, keep going. Well, no, it makes me think, yeah, it's, it's amazing to you because that brings up another point that I often think about. And it is like, you know, Jordan Peterson's big on this movie Pinocchio, right? Like, we all saw it as kids. Yeah. And he talks about it as a metaphor. Like, Pinocchio's a puppet. He's not a real boy.

Yeah. You know, but he goes down into the belly of the whale, which is also a biblical story. Yeah. And if you think about it, Shane. Like, and if I think about my, if I'm honest with myself, and I bet if you're honest with yourself, if your dad's honest with himself and your, and our moms are honest with themselves, like, we've all been in the belly of the whale. Oh, no, that's funny. Every one of us, like, I just had a long talk with my mom today, like, about old times and how things happen. And, you know, it's those dark times in your life where you're at the very bottom and you're like, I can't do this.

Like, what the heck am I doing? And you almost lose it. Like, you don't, but you almost do. But those are the times when you find out who you are. Exactly. Like your friend you're talking about Charlie Rock and like here's this guy 300 pounds. He's about to die. What are you going to do?

You're going to die? You're going to start changing. Yes, sir. Exactly. The world throws these things at you and it'll hold you down to the bottom and fight. No, fight, no. Okay, you're going to go. You're going to die then.

But once you start fighting, you know, you start developing. Maybe that voice in your head is like a muscle. And the more you listen to it, the more you use it, the more it dies. The more it dials in. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm getting bigger. I'm getting stronger. I must be doing the same thing. You know, you're starting to find yourself.

Yes, sir. Find your passion in life, you know. And recently, most recently, I mean, stuff hasn't been going my way. The best, like, my life hasn't been nowhere near perfect. I did a bunch of stuff in high school, sold some stuff, freaking did all that, got into, yeah. Right? Welcome to the club. Yes, sir. Went to rehab, did all that stuff. And I come back over here. And, like, most recently, I had a girlfriend for three years. And that situation was just crazy toxic. We just weren't on the same path. We weren't the right people for each other. And then it took a lot to tell myself, okay, you know, this isn't good. So let's, like, remove myself from this situation.

and let's do all that. But it was real scary because I didn't have a place to live. I didn't have nothing. Yeah. So I got that van. Yeah. I traded a Toyota Echo with my friend that lives literally right over here. Trade in for the van, put a caught up in there.

Yeah. I slept in a van for probably like the past four or five months. And it's, it's a struggle. It's like, don't get me wrong. It sucks. It does suck sometimes. Like, you're, it's just. just a bad situation, but you gotta look at those struggles, like, that's, Joe Rogan says,

you have to be the hero of your own movie, and the way I see it right now is the worst, the bad scenes of the movie. That's what the struggle is. You're just watching the bad scenes of your movie. What would you do if you were the hero? Why don't you just flip the script? Don't even see it as a struggle. Just see it as something that's going to. It's going to become overcome. It's not like impossible. Nothing's, I think everything's possible. Yeah.

I agree. 100%. And I think like, you know, only someone who has begun to go through what you have gone through or only someone who's been what you've been through can understand what you just said. No. You know, it's, there's, the language we use is very important. You know, you could sit here and say like, oh, Oh, I'm this or on that.

Or you could say, like, dude, I'm making it my own way. I'm not going to go this other way that society has decided for me. This is what I want to do, and this is what I'm going to do. You know, there's a, there's a, you're actually in pretty amazing company when you talk about, like, people who just got a van and started doing it. Like, if you look at Metallica, how long did Metallica live in a van for they had a hit song? Exactly, yeah. You know what? Every other one of the people their age that were in a band were like, they quit.

They just said, I'm not doing it, I can't do it. I can't do it anymore. Like a bunch of babies. But not those guys. Dude, it probably wasn't easy for him. Yeah, no. You know, look at Jack Johnson. That guy toured Europe in a van, right?

Really? Just ruled around in a van. You know, Green Day. Have you heard that song by Green Day that's like, Welcome to Paradise? If I hear it. Yeah, if you hear it, you'll know it. And it's like, it's a song about these guys not making it

and just being like in some grimy studio apartment with your crackheads. you know and they're all bummed and then like the second half of the song is like yeah this is our house and we rule this block right here we're the sickest band here we're the sickest band there we just got booked at all these shows

and like I don't know if you can see but I get goosebumps thinking about it let me ask you this I can't think of one good movie where I went there and it was just awesome things happened into the person that's a horrible movie

it's a horrible book no one wants to see that people want to see real life and I think real life is what you describe Real life is going out and like, I'm going to do this thing. And then all of a sudden you get punched in the face, right? Mike Tyson says it the best, right? Everyone's got a plan to get punched in the face.

Yeah. But the story, the book, the hero, the main character, he faces adversity. And it's not easy adversity. You lose everything, man. Like you get separated from the very people you love the most, man. And you look at them and you're like, dude, am I hurting these people? Are these people hurting themselves because, I mean, I don't even know what's going on. Exactly.

I'm just trying to figure out me right now. Yeah. Right? And then all of a sudden, you start listening to that voice in your head. You start following that thing that you knew you had to do. You start getting out of these toxic relationships. Yep. You know, and all, like, this is like the second half of the movie.

We're like, hey, dude, the guy's riding up. Look at that thing off. He said he was going to do that. You know. That's the part I'm in right now. Dude, that's the path. That is the path. And it's a struggle to stay on the path

Because all of them I know for me When I was younger I had all those demons call me back Hey George, remember me You know They never go away They don't

But the voice gets lighter If that makes sense Yeah or the other voice gets a lot heavier Yeah Yes sir That's a great way to put it Yeah You know

And I think You know I garden out there all the time And I I love all the plants And I love Everything out there And there's so much

You can learn from them You know Like if you go outside your walkway and sometimes in the cracks of the cement, you see like a little flower growing. Yes, sir. Like that's you when you got up from the handrail. Yeah. You know, oh, you can't do it. Like, that is adversity.

Like, here's this plant growing through cement. Like, how does that do that do that? Uh-huh. What do you mean, I can't go do this? Look at that plant right there. You got to adapt. You got to adapt. You got to.

That's what life is, if you ask me. It is, right? Yeah. Nothing's going to be set in stone. No. Nothing's guaranteed for you in life. you just got to roll with the punches and freaking just be

optimistic about it. You have to. Yeah. I mean, don't let the negative energy control you, you know what I mean? Right. Yeah.

What kind of, like sometimes, I think, like I, I know I've suffered in the past with being depressed about things or whatever,

and I've got some techniques that I use to get myself out of that funk. What do you do when you find yourself, like being called by those old demons? What do you do when you find yourself kind of like, taking that trip to negative town.

Do you have some techniques you use to put yourself out of that? Or what do you do? Big one right now for me is gym. I just try to go to the gym and it just distracts me, makes me feel good, makes me mentally, physically, spiritually, all the above just makes my energy level go way higher. Yeah. That's a great plan.

I mean, I think that there's tons of evidence that supports, you know, when you are working out and your body's working well, your brain's working well. Yes, sir. You know, I have found that too. Where did you read about the law of attraction? And like, what, was that something you read or did you see something on that? Or how did you, where did you find that at?

And then when was like the first time you found yourself incorporating that in your life? So that would be the goes back to the Charlie Rocket guy. He is big in about the law of attraction, quantum physics, stuff like that. and then like, I guess, like, I mean, just for an example, so I was living in the van, and this past week I got in a, like, a little apartment, studio apartment, and the day that I signed all of my documents, all of that, the lady said, she said that she has to show to somebody else because they want to pay more. And so, I mean, most people look at that as all, dude, now I have to go out, find another apartment. I'm not going to have a place to live.

I'm not bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Right. But the way I thought of it, I was like, you know what, this is a winning streak. Like, it's a win. Like, if I don't get this apartment, then there's going to be another door that opens up. It's probably for a good reason that I didn't get this apartment. Like, but, I mean, everything worked out. The guy said that he would move.

been later on in the year. And I'm just doing month to month, but it's a win, dude. I'm not living in a van, so I'm stoked. Right. You know, and that's a really well put, and it's a really great frame of mind to do that. You know, it's sometimes I, when I find myself that I do something similar in that, like, I always ask myself, what else could this mean? Because ultimately, all of us go to this place, like, well, poor me, I did this thing.

You know, these things always happen to me. Yeah. It's such a negative tone. And, like, you know, I believe, I believe similarly that what you put out is what you get in. If you put out negative, you're going to get it back. It's like a big, the world's a big magnet. Yeah. And you put stuff out, you're going to pull it right back to you.

Yes, sir. And the beautiful thing is, you know, you say, look, I just got, I got my own place now. You wouldn't be stoked on this place if you didn't spend time in the van. You know what I mean? It's like a huge step up and you're like, okay, yeah. I'm making it. And that's the, yeah, that's part of, it's all, it's like the perspective of it, you know. Yeah.

You can't be in that victim mentality. And that's what I was in for a very long time. Right. I just thought, poor me, poor me, poor me, poor me. But I could have changed all of that at any time, honestly. I just was in a bad mindset. And, but I'm doing good now. Yeah.

I'm feeling a lot better. Yeah. Yes, sir. No more victim mentality. Yeah. I'm the hero. You are the hero, man. You're the hero of your own story.

Exactly. And, you know, it's so... One thing I found as I got older is that you don't even thoroughly understand the people you help until later in life. Yeah. And when you make these decisions like you've made, and the fact that you sit here and say, hey, man, I wasn't doing... The fact that you admit, hey, look it, man, I'm doing this dumb stuff. Yeah. Like, I know guys.

my age now that never went through what you're going through or what you went through or that what I've gone through or my lovely wife has gone through like I there's people that never go through that yeah and I feel bad for them not not because they haven't had heartache not because they haven't seen death never because they've faced addiction I don't feel bad that they haven't seen those things I feel bad because they've never had the opportunity to overcome those things Yes, sir. Exactly. Dude, we're staring at you now.

There's just so much pride. It's like, dude, you're a young man, and you've overcome some really big obstacles. And not by, you know, no one came over to you and forced you to do it. You know what I mean? Like, you made a decision. You knew you could have stayed doing things, but you decided, okay, I had enough. What am I doing? Exactly.

But answer to me this. Like, isn't it interesting how, like you just said that I made these bad decisions and I could have stayed in this place, but I decided not to. Can you remember what it was that made you just stop and say, okay, this is enough? Was there a breaking point or was it a buildup point? Or what was it exactly? Or can you remember where you were when you decided enough was enough? Yeah. It was, I feel like I was going insane because the definition of insanity is, basically.

expecting a different result off of like the same thing happening or whatever the same thing kept happening and I my mind wanted to wanted a different result so I put myself back in the situation tried it again same thing happens and that happened probably like three four times and then like most recently like two months ago I just no like I did it again and I was like no I drank a little too much one night and I it's just negative energy man like yeah bad things happen I noticed that bad things happened when I drank bad things happened when I did hang out with certain people and I think it's like I think you got to notice that repetition of bad things or notice what you need to change and then

like go through with this don't talk about it and say that you're going to do it like actually hold yourself accountable and just do it, dude. Yeah. It's really well put. It's really well put. It's also having the courage to do it. You know, it's easy to stay in that place.

It's easy to be like, okay, I'll just be mediocre forever. But I'll also be unhappy forever. Exactly, yeah. I wonder how much, like, okay, so this is an example of what I mean by looking back. So we've already talked about, you know, some of, like, doing the huge handrails. Yeah. And then crashing.

And then you said, well, look, I had to get back up, George, because that's what I do. You know, the same is, if you look at some of the examples you've recently said, hey, I was in this spot. It's like, it's like your whole life has been like this epic BMX move. And you've been practicing. And now all of a sudden, like you're in the middle of this crazy triple handrail. Whatever. Your life is this crazy BMX move.

And you fell off. And that was the point where things weren't going well. Yeah. But you said, okay, wait a minute. I have to get back up. You know, it's the same. same strategy you used for the handrail that you've applied to your life now and it's working. Yeah, and I didn't, I haven't even realized that until now.

Right? That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, that's another thing. When you say that you hear this voice or you understand that you can see examples of like that in your life, you know, I've been toying around with this idea where there's this new kind of language.

And this language is that in your life, like what you see in your life, you probably see it everywhere. And let me give you an example of what I mean. In my life, at my work, I started seeing all these people not standing up for themselves. And it really bothered me. And then I was

out on my route and there was like this kid that works at the store and he's like, oh, this guy comes in and yells at me. And I'm like, do why, you stand up for yourself? Oh, you big dummy? You know, and then there was another customer that was like, hey, my neighbor comes up. My neighbor plays music too loud so I went over there and then he yelled at me and so like like Chase like it was just like the world was screaming at me no one's standing up for themselves yeah and so I thought

about that and I'm like what does that mean and then I thought well maybe I'm seeing this in my life because it's something I need to work on maybe maybe the world is like hey whoever's looking this is something the world needs help with right now and if you can see this I want you to change it yeah and I'm like well how that I'm me a me change it? What am I? Like, John of God? What do you want me to do? World? And then like, you know, like I thought to myself, well,

you know, let's just do what Gandhi says. Gandhi says, if you want to make change in the world, you be that change. Yes, sir. So what I did is, when I was at work, I'm like, maybe these people at work, they're not standing up for this because they don't know how. So maybe if I stand up for myself, you know, maybe I could be the role mob.

Yes, sir. And at work, I stood up in front of it and I said, hey, everybody, this is ridiculous. You know, We're better than this. We're not going to take this anymore. Do a round of applause. You know, and other people are like pat me on the back. And I was like, hey, that felt pretty good. And then I start hearing stories of other guys standing up.

And I'm like, okay, this, this chain reaction. Yeah. Yes, sir. This is what we should be doing, you know. And I really believe that each of us sees the things that we need to work on. There's some higher power telling you, hey, Chase, I'm going to show you stuff. This is your thing you work on. You, all these things you see, that stuff you need to work on yourself.

And I want you to be the example. of it. I want you to Chase Hatton to be the example of the guy that follows his passion that turned everything around and became the guy he wanted to be. Yes, sir. And when you do that, dude, next thing you'd be at Monotter's, be flyers up, Chase Hatton's the man, you know what I mean? But like, that's the true inspiration. I really think sitting here talking to you, like, you validated that theory and I just, I think it's amazing, man. I'm stoked for you, dude. Thank you. Yeah. What are some, what are some goals? goals you have set up.

I found that setting goals is a good way to keep yourself on that path. Have you set any goals for the next couple years or five or two or what? Part of what I do is I write goals every day. I write like kind of like manifestations, like stuff like that. I do it every single day all throughout the day. I take notes of all my mind like tingles and all that stuff. Right, right. But what was it?

Just as far as goals. You've laid out some daily goals that you do to understand where you are. And then you have mentioned BMX being in the future. Like, what are some things that you know for a fact you'll be doing in two years, five years, and ten years? What do you got on those? I'm definitely going to be owning my own business. I'm going to be a CEO of my own business or company. Something, hopefully it'll be revolved around BMX.

Right. I've also been thinking about changing the entire look of BMX. Like, you watch NFL and stuff like that. Like football at one point was just dudes throwing a ball to each other and hitting each other. Right. And somebody saw, hey, I can market this. People are going to love watching this. Everybody's going to love it.

Right. Kids, adults, whatever. So I want to figure out a medium ground like that for BMX, where it's like applicable, like, anybody would watch it. Yeah. Little kids will watch it and be entertained by it. Yeah.

Like, create some kind of game with it, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It kind of sounds to me like you might already have that. Like, you know, who wouldn't want to watch like a Sunday barbecue with families at a sick skate park where, dude, you have your, let's say you have your own podcast or your channel or, you know, and you're going around from people that are, you. your family that you've known since you were kids and like you know if you look at these reality shows

you see people that have gone through the show or whatever but wouldn't it be amazing to have video evidence of like a young kid doing his first bar spin and then a few years later that kid showing a younger kid how to do that that would be sick yeah that's a good idea i didn't think of that yeah well i mean that would be pretty cool you've been doing it you know i mean you just the world you've already been maybe another thing I like to think is that you're already doing the thing you're supposed to be doing and sometimes we're so caught up in the future thinking about like you know what I should be this thing I should be that the truth is right now you're creating the magic you're doing the things you're supposed to you know like I don't know it's just so poetic for me to think

about you doing that like knowing knowing like you have such an awesome family and you're such a strong guy and you're so passionate about BMX Like, you really have a rare ability to shine light and highlight something you love. And it doesn't have to be in the way that has ever been done before. And it makes me so proud of you to hear you say, I want people to see BMX in a way they never have. Yes, sir. Like, that's the beauty of something. And like, only you, Chase, like, maybe that's your calling.

Maybe that's the world telling you, like, hey, if that's what you want. Like, that's pretty beautiful. Yes, sir. Imagine showing the world of flower that the world has never seen before. Exactly, yes. And that's your perspective. Yeah, that's my perspective on everything, dude. Yeah.

If I'm, like, business-wise, if I want to start a business, I'm going to find a need and I'm going to fill it. Or if I don't find a need, I'm going to find something that they didn't even need that they didn't even thought that they needed. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah, but I'm going to be starting something up. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a great idea.

And I, you know, the opening line, not that I think, I don't really. love Steve Jobs or whatever. No. But the opening line of his biography by Walter Isaacson says this. Men who are crazy enough to think they can change the world

usually are the men who change the world. For real, man. It's like, those are the guys that hop out of the normal, like, the social normal, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, the guys that, like, they don't want to work a 9 to 5 making somebody else

rich for the rest of their life, they're going to go out and hustle and get to what they want to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, I really think that there's something there. You know, I have this idea, and I'm kind of a coward because I don't really follow my idea. But the idea is that the most beautiful thing that you can teach someone younger than you is the ultimate goal of life. And the ultimate goal of life is to live a life worth living. Yes, sir. And that comes for, you. And that comes for from never taking a job for money. That comes from being honest with yourself. And the third and probably the most difficult, beautiful part

is to understand what you just said, and that is to understand that your life is a masterpiece and you're the hero of your story. You're the main character. And only you can create the ending of the movie that you want. Like if you want to find Cinderella and put the glass slipper on, then you better start taking that sandal around. Exactly.

You're not going to be finding Cinderella sitting on a couch. You've got to go out and meet girls and find that Cinderella. Right. Maybe Cinderella is the shining light on BMX in a way that no one has. Like if we think about, if we just revisit that avenue, you know, we had talked about Hawaii BMX, you know, not really being on the international map as far as a hotspot for BMXing. But maybe that's just because Hawaii is so beautiful.

And Hawaii has an idea of, I really think that Hawaii, like there's something so powerful and beautiful here that the spirit of Hawaii just tries really hard to stop commercialization. Like she hates it. She's like, this is so disgusting for people to commercialize this. You're not going to do it here. But she will, like, you know, when she finds someone she loves, or someone, if she finds someone, if she finds someone,

unworthy of who she believes in, she will back them with everything. And I think if you were to shine a light on the family orientation of BMXing and highlight like the value that it has brought to your life and like, like you could make the argument, I think, that BMX may have saved your life. Oh, yeah. Through all the dark times, like that was the one thing you had, you know? Yeah. Yeah, definitely did.

You said, oh, it was on the couch. Right. I don't know how many times. Yeah. Yes, sir. And like, why not? Maybe that's the thing. Like, maybe that's a message that other kids need to hear to hear your story so they can get off the cow.

You know, maybe that's the one thing that helps them. Yeah, true that. I never thought of that. Yeah. Like, that's what I mean. Like, you don't really understand who you're influencing until you make the most of yourself. Exactly. You know, but, like, I just think it's amazing, you know, and it blows my mind.

I'm super stoked to talk to you about it. Like, what are, um, did you ever think that you would be with? where you are right now at the age of 22? No. No. No. I mean, even, no way. Even when I was in rehab, I told myself, while I was in there, I said, I'm going to come back out.

And that was back when I was 21. Right. No, that was when I was 20. Yeah. I didn't even turn 21. So I was like, how am I going to go back out there, turn 21 and not drink and do all this stuff? Yeah. What?

Yeah. Right? It's a, it's a, um, everything in moderation, you know, and sometimes, I know for me, like, I spent a lot of time being a dummy. You can ask my wife, she'll tell you. In fact, she might even tell you I'm still a dummy, you know. But, you know, the only, sometimes we're so afraid of what we look like or we're so afraid of making mistakes that we don't even try.

Yeah. And like, how do you know how far you can go unless you really push it? Yeah. And it's that same, yeah, right? Yeah. If you look at like all of some of the most aggressive stars, they have some of the hardest falls. Because it's in their nature to push themselves,

be it drinking or be it playing or via writing or be it surfing. You know, all of them, they're the best at whatever they do. Exactly. I'm going to be the best surfer. I'm going to drink the most beers. You know what I mean? I'm due to most drugs. You know, whatever it is, they're going to be the best.

And sometimes being the best means being the worst. Yes, sir. Most of them, more than... Yeah. But if you can identify that about your personality, okay, okay, wait a minute. I think that's the big part. It really is. That's the whole thing.

Yeah. That's the whole thing. For me, I don't think I knew who I was until I was 30. You know, and I... It just, it's awesome to talk to somebody. I think I'm talking to a younger version of myself right now. Maybe not as handsome. Oh, totally.

That's true. Yeah. And I, um... So, yeah, it's interesting to... to go over it and kind of revisit as talking to you I feel like I'm revisiting

some times in my life where I had been through some tough things and tried to get out of them and find I couldn't get out of them but you did? But you did. Yes, sir. You did.

I think we were speaking earlier and I had mentioned to you that everything you're going through now and everything you will go through is necessary. Yeah. You know, and like we just talked about like they're all

stepping stones like falling coming off the handrail yeah it's a lesson there it is you know and it's in relationships you know there's lessons and the fact that you realize maybe you were in a relationship that wasn't that good you know it takes a lot of work to understand it wasn't that good it takes even more work to understand why it wasn't that good and it takes even more work to understand how to not repeat that. And if you figure that out, tell me how to fix that. Because I find myself, you know,

struggling sometimes. And I'm lucky to have, to have found a woman that loves me and wants to be with me. But it's, you know, relationships are, fascinating and beautiful, but really, really, really, really, really hard. You know?

And it's really hard. And so it's kind of a roll of dice, you know, and people change and life changes. And I think it's so important to find something you're passionate about and really understand who you are. Yes, sir. Before you can even attempt to try to become someone else. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's big. It is. It's huge. It is huge. What are, um, so is there a chance we're going to be getting a Chase Hat and Pod?

podcast pretty soon? Hopefully you do. Okay. Yes, sir. Have you thought about any names for the podcast? No, I have not. Not yet. Not yet?

No, sir. All right. I need to start brainstorming. Yeah, well, when you're writing your stuff down your journal every day, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, if you're doing a vidcast or something, too, you know, what I have learned, because I've done some live videos, and my videos seem to get a lot of views just because

of the scene behind me. Okay. And, you know, so if it's landscapes, be at the beach, or sometimes I'll try to do some live dives where I'll go check turtles or something. Those seem to be, those seem to do really well. Yeah. And I could imagine if you had the background of Hawaii with like the beauty of BMXing, you know, or like, I don't know, in my mind right now, what I'm picturing is. So they set up lights at Manana. Okay.

And they have a generator. Yeah. And all that stuff. Like, what if I had a little desk set up by the skate park? of dudes airing while I'm doing a podcast you know what I mean background is just everybody's shredding and all that that would be nuts

that would be amazing yeah that would be amazing yeah and then you already have the like they already have the website you know what I mean so you could work with them promo through their yeah sir yeah I would um I would be mindful that when things get popular wolves start to come around

you know what I mean and you'll start to get that commercialization And some of it may be good, but, you know, like all families, when somebody wins the lotto, people start getting mad. Yes, sir. For real, man. So, yeah. But that's just something to be aware of. You know, I think that if you could keep it at the level you want, and it sounds like you already have a pretty awesome vision, I think that's amazing.

And I think that you should totally do that. Like, that's a great idea. You know, and it probably only comes from, you know, I think great ideas are born. had a great tragedy and I don't think you'd be where you are if you hadn't gone through what you did and I don't think you'd have these ideas unless you had been through that yeah you know for real so that that seems pretty good I I hope to see that one coming soon and then um what about as far you were you were doing some music for a while are you still doing any of that kind of stuff uh not as much into the music scene yeah yeah that was a very that was a hostile

scene yes sir yeah that that scene you know that that scene you You know, when I was younger, I was a club promoter, like a local celebrity. Yes, sir. You know what? Like, there's no loyalty. No. No loyalty there. A lot of fun, but it's not, it's not, it's not something you can do long-term.

Exactly. It's not a sustainable lifestyle. It's really not. No. But just being in that, you got to see some cool stuff and. Yeah, I got the experiences and all that. You did. You did.

That was cool. Yeah. Well, dude, awesome. I think it's pretty successful podcast right here. Yes, sir. So we're going to end it right here. What is the name of that site again that people can find you at and some of the people? You can go to Ride High, R-I-D-E-H-I-D-H-I-com, and you can see everything that goes on with BMX in Hawaii through there.

Or even search up the hashtag Ride High on Instagram. That's probably the best location for you to find all their information. Epic. All right, we'll do it again soon, man. Thanks for coming out.