TrueLife - Chip Paul - From the Endocannabinoid System to Who Rules the World

Episode Date: April 18, 2024

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I want to introduce to everybody here, the great guest I have today, the one and only Chip Paul. He is a chik-saw citizen, biohacker expert, speaker, regulatory consultant, contributor to the American Journal of Indo-Cannabinoid medicine, true medics neighborly wellness, endo-analysis founder, founder of the Chip Talks podcast. He's a world leader in the theory of endocannabinoid system and human function order under that theory with a deep passion for exploring the potential of the endocannabinoid system. Chip has dedicated his career to advancing our understanding of the crucial biological system. His expertise and leadership have been instrumental in bringing the endo analysis diagnostic test to life, empowering individuals to take charge of their well-being.

Chip, thank you so much for being here today. How are you? Good, George. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited about this. Me too. It's a wonderful time. And maybe we should give a little bit of respect to the one only Mark Davis, who is the unsung hero of so much of the plant medicine area. He's connecting so many people. And if you're listening to my voice right now, check out Mark Davis. He is an incredible connector and he has helped so many people behind the scenes and he doesn't get enough credit. So I want to throw that out there to him. Completely agree with you.

Yep. And thank you, Mark, for connecting us. Absolutely. So, Chip, maybe give us a little bit of background. How did you get started on this? Is there something that pointed you in this direction? Have you been a lifelong learner or give us a little bit of background on you? Absolutely, a lifelong learner.

So always been a Y guy, you know, have a degree in mathematics. So it's just I've always had an intellectual curiosity for all manner of things. You know, in the 90s, I got deeply into the free energy movement. I actually had some patents, wrote some patents around that. So I got deep into that. But in, let's say about 2013, my wife and I were complete teetotlers, right? So we didn't drink alcohol. We didn't smoke cannabis.

We were, you know, health conscious kind of people, health-focused people. But not as much as we are now. would say. My wife and I had a two-level spinal fusion and I had a bad back and we knew that, you know, pain management was in our future. And again, this was 2013, so a long time ago. And we also knew that we didn't want to take opiates. We didn't want to take pharmaceuticals. And we knew that there was really no, I subsequently found other things. But at the time, I knew that there was really no herbal medicine that would kind of touch that pain. And so we went and tried cannabis in Colorado. And again, it was a it was not a flip decision i was a teetoteler i hadn't used any you know chemicals in 30 years i

was very proud of that and so it was a very thoughtful decision let's say to try it and marijuana worked i would say it worked for our pain both of our pain it didn't work as well as some other things you know that i found since then but um it certainly did work and it was enough to really open our minds and start me researching and that started a big journey for me. It's interesting to hear that sort of ideological transformation when you go from being the quote unquote titular to trying something that you may be skeptical about and then seeing the results. That means you have to reanalyze all the previous thoughts.

That means you have to go back and start looking at some difficult decisions that you may have made in your past. How did that work out for you? Oh, you know, every bit of. grief or madness that has been stuffed in my head since you know 1968 or whatever just went right out the window well i guess they were lying to me and then you begin to you know well why would they lie to me and what source lied to me and you know it was a government source and what you so as you begin to you know unstrip like let's say all of this stuff you know that's kind of happened around

this plant and then you know if you're intellectually curious you go all the way back to the flexner report and you kind of realize, oh, well, they took over medicine about the 1920s or 30s, cast out cannabis in every country in the world, you know, and natural products, right? So, you know, we've had some nefarious stuff, let's just say, happened. But, you know, I wasn't really, my mind wasn't really open to that until I kind of, let's say, lit that joint and, you know, started that cannabis journey. But that journey, man, did that open my mind? And I started studying the end of, I started right off.

I was like, why does cannabis work? Why does it work for me? Well, it affects this system called the endocannabinoid system. I'm like, whoa, what's that all about? Well, it turns out that not only all mammals, anything with a spine has an endocannabinoid system. And in fact, you know, even bacteria, some bacteria will have an endocannabinoid system. So I didn't know that then. But it got me intellectually curious.

So I started researching. And, you know, I found that this system that cannabis affects, but really, you know, kind of has something to do with cannabis, but you know, cannabis is a nice way to supplement it. Let's say it's a lot more than just cannabis, but it's our master regulatory system. It's involved in every single process up and down regulation in your body. So that's a lot. And for some reason, the pharmaceutical industry is just either scared of it or completely like, you know, want you to not see it and stay away from it. So that really tripped my trigger. That got me excited. That got me asking the why questions, all that.

Yeah, it's such an interesting relationship of our relationship to medicine. And, you know, I used to be a smoker back in the day. And, you know, who doesn't love a good cigarette after a few drinks? At least I did. And my people my family did. And but it became a reckless habit. It became something that overtook me. And it's, it's interesting to think of your relationship with tobacco.

If you have a relationship with tobacco that's in the form of cigarettes, it usually seems to be in a destructive way, at least for me. But if you change your relationship to tobacco and maybe chew a tobacco leave, that fundamentally changes the way your relationship is not only with tobacco, but the way you use it because you end up growing it and you see how it's grown. And it's so interesting how perhaps the, just the awareness of the endocannabinoid system changes your relationship, not only to the plant, but changes the way you think a little bit.

almost like an exogenous neurotransmitter. I know it's kind of a big topic. Maybe you can jump into the final little nugget in there. I think it kind of, you know, it, I think it changes kind of the wiring in your brain almost, you know, which is kind of an interesting thing. And that's, you know, that's, I'm kind of a science guy, so I like to really stick to hard research.

But there's a lot of hard research on the system. So a lot of, let's say, bench researchers, there's been some grants, you know, but not many that have been led on the system. but a lot of let's say private money has been spent to research the system. So there's a, you know, if you go, and I used to talk on this all the time,

so go out to PubMed and put in the word endocannabinoid and you're gonna get hundreds of thousands of studies, which is great. But those studies help us map out and understand the system, but let me tell you what this system. So let me just kind of walk you through kind of what this system is, because it's so cool.

So by, literally by the fats that you eat, we kind of set this spring, okay? So we kind of set a reaction. reaction spring inside of us and you're going, what are you talking about? But I'll explain it a second. So we're setting this reaction spring, okay? And again, if you eat, let's say, more omega-3 fatty acids than more omega-6 fatty acids, your spring is going to kind of be set anti-inflammatory. But all of us right now eat way more omega-6s than omega-3s. And so we have a real tight inflammatory spring that's set. Well, that spring would apply to, let's say if you touched a hot

stove, again, you're going to uncoil that spring. So you're going to have a reaction to that pain event. You're going to move away from that stove. Okay. How you dial back that reaction is the endocannabinoid system. So the endocannabinoid system can be excitatory, so it can help you do all that. But it really helps you dial back that event. Okay. So now let's look at kind of what's wrong with us right now. Again, we've set this inflammatory spring. So I touched the hot stove. Again, I move away from the stove, but my hand still hurts. And my hand still hurts six months later.

And again, there's no damage or anything. But I haven't mitigated that pain because my spring is so set inflammatory. And I don't have the goodies to bring that all back, to complete that loop, to complete back. Oh, I touch the hot stove. I'm in the way. I'm fine now. See you later by. same thing happens with fight or flight you know if i come up behind you and drop a book well that invokes

a reaction pool based on the spring that should be a little different than if i'm a lion and i come up behind you right so that's a completely different reaction but your endocannabinoid system kind of helps you understand that and pull that reaction back to the proper level so lion not going to pull it back very much book going to pull it back all the way but if i'm depressed if i'm anxious and if that's part of my daily life, then that's a reaction, let's say, that hasn't been pulled back properly. Again, your heart, any inflammatory reaction, so you can sort of apply this logic to kind of anything, but the endocannabinoid system is what helps us control these reactions that we're built to have.

So like a cell, you know, we'll have all these listening things on it. So it will have, you know, GPRCs or, you know, toll-like receptors. they'll kind of listen to the environment and kind of see what's going on. Well, again, if an event happens, certainly at a TLR4, which is an inflammatory thing, you know, he's going to translate that a bit to that cell and that cell's going to react. How that cell comes back into, let's say, normal function is going to be the endocannabinoid system. Wow. It's mind-blowing to think what we're on the cusp of when we begin learning about this.

Like it sounds to me, and from the small. amount of research that I have done, that it has a radical effect on most behaviors. Oh. It's your master regulatory system. So not just, you know, most behaviors, but really any physiological change, you know, that's happening inside your body is going to involve the endocannabinoid system. So like you can think of it as every cell, but even inside every cell, inside the mitochondria are organelles that live in cell.

that are what give us our energy. They're arguably where we hold intellect. They're arguably where God touches us. They're arguably our source of light. There are lots of cool things that are very important to study. But even a mitochondria will express a CB1 neuroreceptor. So we'll express a hook for the endocannabinoid system and would have to because you control energy status through this system. So all life, you know, so you begin to, you know, so if you look at systematically kind of how we work and you know you're you're a complicated system right so so it's way more this gets way beyond DNA okay so DNA is if I'm a cell and I want to talk to my buddy over here who's another cell I'm going to express a peptide or a piece of DNA or something and you know talk to him and kind

of tell him what I want to tell him but that isn't how you know how does a liver how does cells in a liver know that they're supposed to be cells in a liver that's not DNA it doesn't work that way so So that works through something called biofields. And again, biofields will help us understand, will help cells understand how they're supposed to configure where they're supposed to go. Like, you know, how do you know where to put your heart in your body? I mean, that's a really interesting question. But it turns out through things like biofields, okay? So there has to be some crossover between, let's say, biofields, you know, mechanics and how all that works.

and your real physicality, because if biofield is going to be more, let's say, spiritual, electrical, ethereal frequency, all that kind of stuff. And, you know, we obviously are physical beings. So there has to be a crossover. And, you know, that can't be woo-hoo and magic. That has to be explainable. And it is explainable through the end of cannabinoid system, which is cool. Do we know, or maybe you could speak to the idea of how it becomes sort of

excited. Like if I smoke a joint, is it instantly begin to shift regulation of certain receptors versus eating it? Or, you know, maybe you could speak about the time from ingestion into, you know, how does it work? Like, how does it get stimulated? Like, what happens? What's the interaction like? Okay. So that's, so that's a great question. So let's talk about the system, you know, and then let me give you some examples of the system and then we'll sort of throw THC in there or, you know, what THC would do. So, so that your system, your endocannaminoid system you can kind of think of as having a lake level. Okay.

So it's got a natural amount of circulating, you know, mediators that are useful. And your endocannabinoid system is like your master engineering system. So the more, let's say, surface area that I can get to express and the more ability I have to control that surface area, well, the more management I'm going to have over you, right? And your body is a very complicated machine. If you just think about, you know, eating, you know, the process of eating. So, you know, if you're eating, first of all, you've got to have communication. You've got, you have a master computer, hypothalamus hippocampus.

And you have to have communication between your body has to know what you're eating. Why? Because your fat needs to know, hey, you know, I'm good. I don't need anything else. I've got all, I've stored all the fat that I can. Stop eating now. Right. So there has to be communication.

with your fat. There has to be communication with your immune system because your immune system is always trying to respond to stuff and it needs to know how much horsepower it has. So do I have a lot of carbohydrates? Do I have a lot of proteins? Do I have a lot of fats? So I got to know, man, I got to know if I got some juice or not. Your stomach has to know your pancreas, you know, you release three different types of enzymes for digestion, something for carbohydrates, something for protein, something for fat. The conformational in your stomach, that looks completely different. So you've got to know what's coming before it gets there. Okay?

So you have sensors, endocannabinoid sensors in your taste buds that will facilitate all this communication. So you have all of this communication all the time going on. If you're obese, so if you have obesity or metabolic syndrome, you've got too much of this communication and you can't signal through it. It's a problem. If you're autistic, you don't have enough of this surface area and control. control and that's obviously manifest because you know you have trouble controlling your neurology

and all kinds of stuff so the system is super important so just right off the jump if i find something that will supplement that system that will raise my lake level that's going to be beneficial THC and CBD from cannabis will raise my leg level so it gives me more access it actually I can use THC to offset my main guy in the endo-canabinoid system called the nandamide. So he frees him up for use in other ways, right? Now, now we get into some really cool and interesting stuff. So, let me take you through this through, I used to say there are no fat hippies. Okay. So that's kind of, that's kind of changed now, right? So there are now some fat hippies, but they're used to not, people who, let's say, chronically smoked cannabis usually did not have any kind of weight issues. Okay.

Now, when you look at science, that flies in the face of what you learned about the endocannabinoid system, because the endocannabinoid system, if I stimulate it, it's going to make you hungry. It's going to make you super hungry. It's going to make you want to eat like right now. Okay. And we've all heard of the munchies and we kind of all had that experience. Anybody, if you take a high amount of THC as you're coming down from that THC, you will want to eat and sleep. That's just, that happens to everybody. So it's a good way to stimulate hunger.

But at the same time, you don't see any fat hippies. And so it bothered me. So I started studying this deeply. So THC, when you take THC, it will stimulate hunger. But if you take a lot of THC, it will do the exact opposite. It will kind of cut down hunger. And there's a reason for that in the signaling, let's say, of the endocannabinoid system. So that was a hugely long and sideways answer to your question.

But cannabis supplements this system, and so it's very useful, that cannabis doesn't quite, like THC doesn't quite work the way an anandamide does. You know, other stuff in cannabis doesn't quite work the way that 2AG does, which are your main kind of things in your endocannabinoid system. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's fascinating. I think it opens the door to a lot of interesting questions. We know that for a lot of people in my audience, the endoconabinoid system was brought into their

idea of thought through cannabis. And maybe that's because people have read stuff about, remember I spoke with Emmy Robinson and he has a daughter who's autistic and he was able to use a certain derivatives of cannabis to help ease those symptoms. You know, and we've all heard of, you know, Genevieve's Dream or Charlotte's Web or these things like that. But if you could speak to some of those studies, is that the anamide working in there? Or do we know what's happening in there, how it works with some of these symptoms?

And is that a segue into other uses of the cannabinoid system? Yeah, Mike's a great guy. His story with autism is a, you know, that's a great. And Genevieve, I think, is her name. I can't remember her name. But yeah, that's a really, really good story. So, and again, it depends on the condition. So any of this stuff, it depends on the condition.

And then you can't just throw, let's say, cannabis at everything. It's not the be-all-ind-ind-all cure-all. it does supplement this endocannabinoid system, which is our master regulatory system. So it's a way to, let's say, impact a whole lot of disease states because this system is going to be involved. Like if you're having an inflammatory reaction, wow, is the endocannabinoid system involved in that, right? So it's, you know, it's spinning, spinning, spinning. So you're going to be pulling resources, depending on how bad that inflammatory reaction is that are engineering resources that you might need to do other stuff. Right. So, you know, if you supplement into the system with cannabis, now you're kind of

able to fight your problem and also able to fight this ancillary problem because you supplemented in. So you've got enough juice, enough resources, you know, to fight problems. In autism, autism is absolutely part of the pathology of autism is a lower level of circulating endocannabinoids. So any autistic person will benefit from any kind of endocannabinoid that you put into that situation. So if you put CBDs into that situation, they're going to benefit a little bit more on the immune side. If you put THC a little bit more on the control side, they're obviously not going to cure autism, but they will help that situation. They'll bring up that lake level where there's more control surface. Autism, I study very, very deeply.

it is a very complicated disease. It's now looking like that has to do with kind of a misconformed gut biome. So a gut biome, and we've known that gut biomes whacked out for a long time. And you can't really solve the problem going at the gut biome. It's a complicated, complicated problem. On seizures, okay, so let's talk about seizures because we'll just sort of run through some of these diseases. So with Charlotte's Webb, what happened was a little girl named Sharma, Phiggy, so your name was Charlotte Figgy, and Charlotte had seizures, bad seizures. They gave Charlotte

some CBD, and it was, I believe, CBD only. And the first time, if you're a, let's say if you've never been exposed to any cannabinoids, okay, the first time that you're exposed to CBD, it will impact two different receptor systems. So it will impact your CB1 receptor system and your CB2 receptor system. The CB2 receptor system is immune and also kind of has to do with seizures. CB1 is more control. Okay. So more of your control and definitely has to do with seizures. Okay. So CB1 is kind of what you want to impact in a seizure situation. Well, if I first give you CBD right off, that is, we'll hit CB1 and we'll alleviate that situation. So Charlotte's story goes that right off, CBD's helped her. She got rid of her seizures. It was great, great.

great, great. But then her seizures started coming back. And that makes sense because she had tolerance to that CBD at CB1. And then she would need some THC. And that's exactly what happened. They started giving her some THC and her seizures cut back. So now Charlotte's Webb, the solution that they sell has both CBD and THC in it for those very reasons. But they found it was seizures. And this is, you know, lessons learned, let's say. This was not a, there wasn't a, there wasn't a Ph.D. involved in this. There wasn't any, you know, medical science wasn't involved. It was literally just kind of an anecdotal lessons learned, but they learned that THC was important, and then they put that in their products set. So, you know, Charlotte's Web, CBD will have some THC in it. I think that maybe this is one of the stumbling blocks from science is that it's difficult to measure. Like, how do you measure what's actually happening in the brain? You know, It's so complex, and there's all these different networks and neuroplasticity happening. And even though we see the results of someone having less seizures, which, you know, I think that that should be admitted as evidence.

You know, a lot of times you like to throw out things that are subjective, but if someone has stops the problem, it's working. But how do you manage what you can't measure? Some people are skeptical, like, well, how do you know you add THC? How do you know it's this thing? Like, what do you say to that? So like, some of those people that are skeptical? It's a, you know, the way that, let's say the way that science measures things benefits a business model, right? So it kind of, you know, the pharmaceutical system is not going to measure things that doesn't benefit the pharmaceutical system.

And they're not going to do it in ways that, you know, they can't bill insurance for, right? It's just that's their business. That's their business. And no criticism. It's just the way they set stuff up. It's harmful, I would say at times. so I will criticize it that way, but it is what it is. So are there better ways to, you know, I think I hear you asking, are there better ways to test a human?

Absolutely, there's better ways to test a human. Now, you know, are these in the pharmaceutical system yet? No, but will they be? Yes. You know, I'll tell you, I talk to pharmaceutical companies all the time about this stuff. And so they're curious, they're interested. You know, they want to move the needle. But let me walk you through a couple of things that are really, really cool that are kind

let's say current coming attractions ways to measure the human body so one is thermal imaging so if you've ever seen thermal imaging you know if you talk to a doctor let's say hey doc i you know want to get a breast exam using thermal imaging they're like uh it's not good enough well doc it probably wasn't good enough 20 years ago when you're a medical school but gosh have camera's gotten a lot better in the last five or 10 years and man have they gotten better so you know i can see a baby you know in retro, you know, inside of a woman, you know, with a thermal imaging camera now. So they're that good. But thermal imaging will help see mainly surface problems. But the big thing I can see with thermal imaging is if you're chronically inflamed, okay? And we all are. So your lymphatic system

is hot. It just, you stand out like a lightning bug. So it's thermal imaging is really good for external, for breast cancer, for like back trauma, for knees, for, you know, sports. for all manner of external things. It also is a good indicator of chronic inflammation. And there's a way to measure how chronically inflamed you are, like let's say, you know, session A to session B with a thermal imaging camera, which is cool. So I can tell if I'm making progress, let's say,

at your, you know, chronic inflammation, you know, by putting you through tests. The other cool instrument that we use, and we do this, we have a clinic that we have here in Oklahoma called neighborly wellness. And so we have these tools. We also use a tool called bioresonance. And bio resonance will view you in frequency.

So it sort of analyzes you in frequency. And it turns out that if your heart is healthy and my heart is healthy, they're kind of broadcast on the same frequency. If they get off, again, there's just a kind of a database that's been built over time of, oh, well, if they're off this much, it means XYZ. So all organs have been mapped out now. But the really cool thing is if I can, if I know the kind of frequency of your heart, and I know the frequency of a staff bug, I can see if those two interchange.

So I can informationally at least see, yeah, if you have staff in your gut or your heart or whatever. And that really, you know, most disease in the pharmaceutical system are really a list of symptoms, right? So what is rheumatoory arthritis? It's a symptom. What is cancer? It's a symptom.

What is, you know, X, Y, Z. They're just symptoms, symptoms, symptoms. So the cause of almost all disease is oxidative stress. I mean, disease can be caused in different ways. But if you kind of look at oxidative stress, it's causal, right? So it can cause all kind of, it can cause cancer. It can cause, you know, it's infection. It's a quarter of infection.

But most everything is caused by some insult. You know, I say all the time, God is a perfect engineer. He didn't, you know, design you to break. He didn't design you to screw up. He built you pretty perfect. And so if I get cancer, again, that's not God. That's something. That's something taking my function from doing this to doing this, from going up, let's say, to going down.

And that something is almost, it can be environmental. You can be allergic to something. You could live over lead mine. So it can be those things. But almost always it's pathogenic. And what I mean by pathogenic is it's a bacteria. It's a virus. It's a fungus.

It's a parasite, you know, hook around a pinworm. So bioresonance helps us identify what looks to be the core cause of things. And boy, does that help when you're trying to help somebody, you know, when you're trying to suggest natural products or a cannabis treatment or even pharmaceutical treatments. If I know it's at the bottom of your RA or your, you know, your chronic, your bowel disease or, you know, kind of what you're autoimmune or whatever it is, if I know what's at the bottom of that, then man, can I help you a lot? You know, I can give you all kinds of information on how to help yourself.

I can design natural products to help you. I can design cannabinoids to help you. So that's how medicine will change. You know, and we're just at the beginning stages, I would say, of this measurement. I'll tell you, I know you're going to ask my question, but I'll tell you, an extension of this in a second, which is really cool. Yeah. So this really extends into, I would say, what Tesla was seeing, what Royal Rife was.

seeing, you know, kind of this body electric, but it's a little bit more than that. And again, if I can view you as an electric entity as a kind of a, well, we have biofields. Biofields form first, and then you sort of form your DNA around the biofield, and then you form matter around that DNA. And so you sort of are constructed from the ground up through these biofields. Well, these biofields are frequency driven, and I'll kind of give you a real world practical example of why this is important. So COVID, you know, we've all known about COVID. And so COVID gets into us by, you know, we get something on our hands, we touch our face, and it works its way into us through our respiratory system.

And in particular, it'll enter through a receptor called ACE2, so ACE2. And so a strategy, a real good strategy, is to block ACE2. And that is prophylactic, that's preventative against COVID. That will help COVID from spreading if you already have it. So it's how HCQ works, is how Ibermectin works. It's why CBDA will work. It's why THDA will work. CBGA will work because they all licorice will block this.

Wormwood will block this. So lots of thing in nature will block that receptor. But this is a really cool thing. So this is called the resonant recognition model of science. And these researchers found out that a receptor will, you know, how does a receptor in a ligand find each other? Well, they do so through frequency. So they broadcast on the same frequency. And it turns out a receptor is just phase shifted, you know, 180 degrees from the broadcast of the receptor. So that's how you know if something's a,

you know, a lock or a key, let's say. And so they're same frequency, but just phase shifted. So what these resonant recognition model of science guys decided to do is to see if they could block case too just in frequency. Okay, real easy thing to test. You throw COVID out it, see if COVID will get in or not. And it turned out they were able to block this receptor in frequency, which is crazy sauce. But again, it all goes back to this bioelectric kind of model of human function.

So med beds, you know, things like that. Those are coming. Those are, you know, a very real thing that I would say exist in theory. now that can easily exist in practice as soon as somebody kind of funds that venture. So lots of cool stuff coming. Man, it's mind-blowing to me. On the topic of frequency, like, how is that measured? Does everybody's heart frequency have like a medium range from high to low that

hovers? I mean, is there is a frequency sort of like a thumbprint in that it's unique to everyone? Or is there like a window of which different frequencies? from different organs and different health resonance. So, this is a deep rabbit. I know. Yeah, everything that you said. So you have all these different frequencies inside of you, all right?

So let's kind of take it from the ground up. So mitochondria will produce ATP. And again, it's all about movement. It's all about sound. It's all about banging on this table at a certain, you know, rate of movement. And this is what Tesla saw, something called scalar waves or longitudinal waves. So again, if I have a tuning fork and I resonate this tuning fork and I have the same key tuning fork, he will resonate in sympathy.

I don't even have to do anything to him with no power loss. If I go up an octave, I get, you know, same key, but up an octave, I get power loss, but I still get resonance. So that's cool stuff and that's really how you work. So let's talk this through. So mitochondria, again, they're producing ATP, and they produce ATP. I just pulled up this study. I'm like, huh, I wonder if ATP would, I mean, I wonder if mitochondria would produce ATP at the rate of, you know, visible light.

Wouldn't that be cool? And it turns out, they do. They're literally right in the range of, so the frequency of ATP production, it can change. It depends on if you're burning sugar, burning fat, or burning light. So it can change its variable. That's why you need a CB1 receptor on your mitochondria. So you can change it, by the way, control it. So there's endocrinoids, it's before you.

Wearing its head always. But, you know, so if you're running sugar, it's not quite this high. But if you're running on fat, you are producing ATP literally at the rate of visible light, the same frequency as visible light that comes from the sun. Isn't that pretty cool? And then it looks like you take that resonant. frequency and cells will a cell is let's say a resonant cavity so it will have its own if it's if that little heart's beating at the frequency of the sun it's going to have the frequency of the sun but then it

can confirmationally change its frequency by like gluing little things on its cell membrane and that's exactly what happens what conformational changes happen within a cell when it gets hit by a like a neuroreceptor So if I hit a CB1 neuroreceptor that's on the edges of the outer membrane of that cell, it will cause phosphorization. It will cause conformational changes inside that cell that will change the frequency of that cell. So it looks like basically a cell will take this mitochondrial sun energy and step it down in frequency and use it. Use it to do all kinds of different things, to signal to its buddies, to do all kinds of different things.

things. If you study something called it, it's called G coupled, you know, protein receptors, but they, they transmit through something called GTP. So it's Guan, Guanine triphosphate and guanine, you know, diphosphate and monophosphate, or how, you know, the cells can signal to each other through the system. But that cells will have action at a distance. So I can hit your tastebud receptor cells and cause immediate conformational change in your pancreas, you know, So you have all this action and distance. But it is so cool how you work. It's easy to explain and it's very logical.

And I don't know why we make it way more difficult, you know, really than it is. And we do all the time. Yeah. I'm so thankful to get to see sort of the holistic approach to medicine making a reentry into the world. I was speaking with Erica Dick not too long ago. It was an incredible researcher out of Canada on psychedelic. and plant medicines and the history of them.

And we were speaking about the way in which in the late 50s and early 60s, medicine was much like today beginning to unlock the power of different sort of plant medicines. And specifically in this example, she was talking, I think about, I think it was about psilocybin. And we got kind of into the weeds about the questionnaires that they ask the people. And the reason I bring it up is it was so much more. they incorporated the family into the idea as if the medicine was working.

And like on the questionnaire, they would go to the family and be like, is your husband less of an asshole? Like that was one of the ways in which you would see if it worked. If you look at the world today, it's like it seems like we're kind of absent of some of these subjective results. And it's like, what can you measure? And I think that speaks to what you said earlier about the idea of science having been corrupted by company science, where it needs to form a patent. It needs to be marketable.

And if it's not, then we're not going to look at it. But do you see this sort of returning back? And I guess maybe that's why it got so complicated. And now that we're reincorporating, you know, the thermal imaging or we're reincorporating, it's getting easier to understand. It's making more sense. Yeah. Well, let's just sort of let's walk everybody through that.

It kind of what happened because it helps to know the history. So you had medicine in, let's say, 1900 so the year 1900 was awesome um you had all different kind of avenues of medicine so you had kind of this electric medicine that is this bioelectric field that's now just reemerging but you know Tesla and these guys were playing around with it at that time so you had kind of a bioelectrics you had obviously natural products you had a ton of natural product stuff going on you had people using hemp and using cannabis but you also have people using all manner of different herbs spices all different kinds of things for health.

You had just, you know, all different aspects of medicine. Well, these business guys, you know, so Carnegie Mellon and Rockefeller came along and, you know, it's, you know, we can probably make a business out of that and it'd probably be good. You know, everybody needs health stuff. So let's, let's grab a model and let's force everybody into a model. And so they wrote this thing called the Flexure Report. and the Flexional report said that the way to do medicine, so all you guys are just cranks and charlatans,

the way to do medicine is the Bayer model. Now, Bayer was part of IG Farben. IG Farben was, you know, made xylon gas that killed a lot of Jewish people, did a lot of other evil. But, you know, so Bayer was part of that. So they go, well, Bayer is the model. So we want all medicine to look like Bayer. And what that means is that we're going to use one molecule to solve problems.

So we're going to, every drug will be one molecule. right so one synthetic it will be and and we'll characterize it by one thing and we'll be able to do dosing because it's just one thing and you know it's easier to do do it because it's one thing so that's the model that we still operate under now so if you want to go do drug development so if i want to go for phyzer calls chip hey we want you go do drug development on the endocanamoid system it's going to be a one you know molecule model and that that doesn't work Nature is not, doesn't work that way. Nature will present sophistication in every single plant that she presents to us.

And so cannabis has, you know, it's just lots and lots, let's say, of chemical constituents that are medicinal. But that's the way that nature is presenting that to us. And what we found, at least in our anecdotal, is I'm way better off, you know, with a whole plant turmeric or a whole plant cannabis, because that's the way nature does. designed it rather than going to a synthetic, you know, pharma or rather than going even to a single molecule. Now, what we, as we understand this better, what we've started doing is actually getting these isolates because we understand what they do, like a limine or a pining, you know,

from cannabis or a CBD or CBG or THC, and beginning to, you know, kind of do the pharma exercise because we understand the impacts we want to have into the endocannabinoid system. So this taking multiple things and engineering is a very, very new thing for pharmaceutical sciences. I actually hold the first issued patent on doing that for the end of the system. So engineering. Yeah, it seems when you start having lots of variables, you really change the equation. You know, in some levels, I think I understand the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it seems like the further we move away from the idea that we don't come into this world,

we come out of it, like on some level. You know, it seems like medicine is like, okay, we're separate from the planet. So take this one thing, you know, but just like you said, if the plant is giving us this particular medicine and it has all these chemical constituents, like that's probably the way we should be taking it. Like we're part of the system, right? Do you think that there's a resemblance to the problems we have in medicine with a resilience to the problems we have about our relationship to me? nature. Oh, thousand percent. Man, did you just wave a bell? You know, if you look at the biggest

big picture, and I don't know why this is, but you know, scientifically, if you look at just our relationship to the sun, okay, the relationship to the sun. So we are intimately, intimately tied to the sun, energetic exchange. You know, your body literally will go through different processes every day, you know, based on where the sun is. So we're intimately tied with the sun. Clearly, everything on earth is, you know, we don't, there's no life without the sun. There's no plants without the sun. So, and that is so occulted. Your relationship to the sun is so occulted. Your relationship to nature is so occulted. But we need to bring back nature. In my mind, it, you know, just medically, God built us a great system. It's, it's right out there in

nature and you know it's incumbent on us to you know discover it figure it out work it but man is we have so much data there it's you know we could solve you know almost i won't say you know never as a scientist do you make ultimate statement but we can solve most let's say human problems human disease with nature right now and we're not because we're so wrapped around the axle about the system that we're using and the way that we've been taught to use that system that it blinds us to the obvious and that's interesting it's so interesting you know when i pull out my copy of the dsm 5 i don't really see any sort of real diseases i see symptoms that are manifested through the way we live our lives you know you look at anxiety or depression it's this concept of our relationship with

time and the answer is nature. I'm not saying it will cure everything, but having a different outlook, you know, having a different relationship with nature changes your relationship to it. And, you know, a really good life example of that is anybody who's really taken like a high dose, you know, maybe cannabis or for me it was psychedelics, but it fundamentally changes the way you see yourself in relationship to the planet. And when you do that, the stress, the PTSD, that stuff is manageable. Not only is it manageable, but now you have a strategy to solve it because you see it for what it is. It's your understanding of your relationship. And so these plants are trying to speak to us. On some level, I think it's a language. I think it's nature speaking to

us. Maybe is it too far of a stretch to say that the endocannabinoid system is a system which lets us communicate with nature? No, I don't think so at all. I think it's a system, you know, it's a, let's say, you know, physiological system that helps us understand the importance of nature because it is absolutely a natural urban system. You know, to your point, what you just said so important, in my study, I think that we need to nutrient ourselves, but it's not nearly as much as we think. So it's, I think we really don't have to eat. I think we could, and eating is very energetically costly, right?

So it's, you can look at fasting and fed and intermittent fasting. and all that, but eating is the most damaging and costly thing that we do to ourselves every day. So can we do that with less impact? Well, likely we can drink our nutrients. And the other thing that we don't understand is how much nutrient we get every day from the sun, from actual, you know, ultraviolet radiation that we're receiving from the sun. So I'm kind of about mind. But if you look at, you know, and religions are good ways to code information, let's just say. And so, you know, every religion has something about fasting in it, doesn't it? Which is fascinating.

But then you look at like, how did man, you know, in Christianity, how did man fall? Well, again, we ate. And again, I just walked you through that. So, again, if I cause you to eat, it's, you know, I'm going to cause you to drop your immune system. You're going to be pathogenically infected. You're going to have chronic inflammation. You're going to have disease. You're going to have all kinds of stuff.

If I can kind of keep you from eating somehow, nutrient. you, you're not going to have any of those problems. So again, we ate, you know, and is that figurative or actually real? And then we put on clothes. And when we put on clothes, what did we do? We stepped right out of nature, didn't we? Yeah, we began to separate ourselves from the very thing that will probably free us on some level. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So nature has a, you know, all energy moves, let's say, in a song, in a note, you know, all of the cells inside of you, you know, they have to collect the form organs and do all kinds of stuff. You can think of it as like a big symphony, right?

So it's a big symphony and your hypothalamus hippocampus is kind of a conductor in that symphony. You know, cancer is, you know, the flutes are out of tune or whatever, right? And disease really is that. So it's part of this symphony that's just not playing along with the tune. Nature is the same way. this is musical energy moves in musical patterns there's a guy named walter russell the ultimate one that's great book that talks about how energy moves good luck understanding it but you know he says that energy moves

in seven notes to an octave lots of octaves in nature so if you look at frequency you know and if you study frequency so we were talking about frequency before and the different frequencies in your body. So you've got a heart frequency that's, you know, one beat a second. You've got this mitochondrial frequency that's fast. You've got all different kinds of, let's say, things that are keeping tune in you that have to all communicate. So you have all these different frequencies and all these different bands from, you know, zero hertz to tetrahertz, petrohertz, you know, all the way up. Where these intersect, you can think of a bunch of rocks thrown in a pond, right? a lot of let's say ripples in a pond there's going to be places where those ripples cross over

that are really important energetically there's and they would those would be in quantum mechanics those would be called coherent interference so there's places where these standing waves will interact with each other to cause coherent interference the current thinking is physically we're nothing more than coherent interference um you know and so gosh there's There's a lot there. You know, so can you get in the middle of that? Yeah. Can you, you know, change that with frequency?

Can you look at what cancer looks like under that model and map? So medbeds, the technology of the future, you'll be evaluated in frequency. And that kind of exists now. It's not good enough yet. But the underpinnings of that exist in technology called bioresonance. So bioresonance is a really cool way to do it. Bioresonance claims it will treat you like Rife. It's not good enough yet.

I'll tell you right now. it might you might get lucky it might work but it's not it doesn't have the degree of accuracy that you need to do that yet but it will in the future and so that whole technology you know is stunning to me and probably the you know technology the future the medical technology the future but how do we get from you know point a where we still have traditional doctors traditional researchers who are trained under this flexional report model you know that don't even consider natural product So how do we get them, those guys from point A to point B? Because they're not being lied to, but it's like they're being told half truths and misdirection. And, you know, gosh, if we could educate those guys, this would all move faster. So I'm, you know, that's my tilt at my windmill is, you know, how do we change this system? How do we educate these guys better? How do we put out information that, you know, they can glom onto when they're ready?

How do we change the regulatory? you know, how do we in government, how do we create situations that are more open to these kind of ideas rather than closed, you know, and are there ways to do that? It turns out there are. Some of them cost money. Some of them don't. You know, but there's lots of ways to influence, you know, that really, as long as I can, you know, get your ear for a second, then, you know, I've got a way to influence you. So. Yeah, it's so true. It's, it, you can argue that that's what's happening now on some level when I look at so much chaos has been happening in the world sometimes it takes a real crisis for a new sort of emergence you know and isn't it interesting that there is

this resurgence in plant medicines at this time it's almost like the planet is providing us with the remedy we need to solve the calamities that are happening around us but you it's in it's poetic like you said, it's it's in tune with nature. There must be the cycle of death so that we can have this reemergence and reframing of the narrative, this re-understanding, this rebirth, the same way that the caterpillar or the butterfly breaks free from the detritus and moves its wing for the first time or a snake shedding its skin. Like, I see that happening with the world around us, the wars and the aging demographics of people. So too are these. old ideas beginning to die and these new ideas. Maybe they're just recycled ideas, but they're

coming to the forefront and the people like yourself that are bringing these into the hands of the people that make policies. That's the beginning, I think, of this new system that's emerging. Is that what do you think about that? Yeah, completely agree with you. If you, you know, if you think about consciousness and what is consciousness and kind of, you know, what we are and, you know, would a cell have consciousness? Well, it's alive. Yeah. So it's a cell. some level, you know, cells get together and form a liver, you know, would they have consciousness? Yeah, likely they would. That liver consciousness and me would add to my overall chip consciousness.

But here's where it gets really cool. Okay. So if you and I are like-minded about something, we're going to form a collective. And that collective is like almost a new being. Okay. So that collective could have spiritual, you know, energy and, you know, enough of us got together, say a nonprofit to do things, you know, then we would have form and function and that it would be almost like a living entity, that, you know, thing that we form. Well, you know, let's say our world

collective is super important, right? It probably will, you know, designate how the planet goes, you know, what the planet thinks. And the planet has its own collective. I believe that. and we're part of that planet's collective. I believe, I firmly believe that we didn't have, we, you and I did not have control of this collective 10 years ago. I believe that our collective was completely, we'd gone to sleep, you know, we'd seated our collective to, you know, movies, TV, influencers, government, all these institutions. So we just completely were.

giving away our power to these institutions. Yeah, we'll let them worry about it. We don't care. And by virtue of doing that, we allowed these institutions to drive our future to set a tone for where we really want to go, all of us. I think what's happening right now is we're waking up. We're beginning to, and why I think it has to do with the sun,

honestly, but we're all kind of waking up right now. And we're realizing, wow, we have a lot more power than we thought we have. And, you know, if you just look at MAGA, so you may or may not agree with, you know, MAGA, the MAGA movement, that's a force, man. That has collective consciousness. That's its own being.

That's its own cat that almost can't be stopped now, you know, which is interesting, right? So we lost control of our collective, but we're, you know, you could argue that MAGA is an attempt to get that back, kind of the Q movement, if you're familiar. with that. You know, the Q movement is, that's what Q is, is our collective. So it's, that's an attempt, you know, to get that back, to take that control of that. So I can't really have a vote in that collective unless I'm awake, unless I can discern, unless I can kind of make, you know, second, third, fourth level decisions where I was just making a quick impulsive decision, right?

So, so I think we're going through this process. I think nature is screaming at us to wake up. because we're destroying the planet because these evil shit bags that have had control of our you know queue have taken at that you know military and you know master slave and you know these wrong kind of ideals that that most of us don't agree with and wouldn't agree with if we weren't asleep so and i think we're go where we right on the tipping point of changing all that and i think when we decide we want to change all that when our cue gets strong enough to say yeah we want to change all that we we want to change all that we don't that's not what we want all of us don't want that we want a different kind of world that we'll begin to replace these institutions so these institutions are useful

but they've controlled and enslaved us you know i can i'm now seeing how pharma the pharmaceutical industry is falling um you know with COVID 19 a lot of things and they're just the that industry is falling and now you have this new emerging kind of natural products and and cannabis industry beginning to emerge, right? And can those two worlds come together? Yeah, they should and they need to. You know, schedule three changes in marijuana will completely open that door, you know, where those two worlds come together. But we need to find ways to put those two worlds together because that will rebuild, you know, this institution proper where it properly respects you, it, you know, properly respects nature, it uses nature proper. And I think we're doing that. I mean, I think I'm a change.

agent there. You know, that's how crack smoky I am. I saw this. I used to work a lot on the campus of University of Hawaii. And back in this one main office, there was way in the back. There was this sculpture. And it was like a life-sized sculpture. And on one side, there was a human figure made out of e-waste like robot parts and it was and in the middle there was a on the other side there was a human figure made out of branches and trees and shrubbery and stuff and they were really well-formed like real humans and they were on a mirror there's a mirror between them and they were both pushing on that mirror I used to sit and just sit at that that particular sculpture and just look at it and I got just thought to myself like wow this has been going on for so long and you know maybe you

could even look at the caduce I think that's what it's called with those snakes coming up the pole with these two forces. And when I look at modern day science and I read some of the research that's coming out of like the RNA technology, like this, a beautiful idea to reprogram the body to create antibodies to destroy inflammation or to destroy disease. But it just seems like such hubris to me. Like, you know, you're going to re-engineer this creation. You don't need to re-engineer that creation.

And it seems like there is this. battle between biology and technology on some level. But it is the balance of those two that I think put us in harmony. Maybe we're back to resonance. Maybe we're back to frequency. But right now they seem out of line. They're competing against each other when they don't need to. They need to be in balance with one another.

What do you think on the idea of that that kind of technology versus biology race one? Like an arms race almost. Yeah. No, in the whole, you know, I'm going to occult, you know, light on you. Yeah, please. that whole, let's say, line of thinking wants to glorify man, you know, over God, right? And so that appears to be, you know, the prevalent thinking in the leadership of a lot of these institutions is to glorify man over God.

And so, you know, that's how they think. I mean, you know, we've got CERN, you know, trying to make a, you know, black hole, you know, somewhere in. In Switzerland, well, wouldn't it be better? Would it be easier to just, you know, study black holes and just study how God made a black hole and what God's processes are there and how nature works? To me, that seems more logical than trying to make a black hole. Everything that the, and again, you know, I think we're all, certainly most of your audience, I know you are pretty hip to the idea. Let's say that, you know, our world is controlled. you know, we're kind of run by this, you know, evil group of people, let's say.

And, you know, they sit above government and all that. Well, you know, what's the agenda of these people? Well, it sure looks like in every single institution that they've created. It's to corrupt God. And it's to corrupt. And what I mean by, I don't mean, you know, like let's say the Christian notion of God. I am talking about the scientific notion of God that is proven. that you can prove literally by our relationship with the sun.

So that's something that you can't see. The light, you know, that scientific, actual scientific relationship that you have with God, that I'm not going to let you see that. I want you to see me. I want you to see me as a man. And I want you to glorify me. And then you can be my slave. And that's kind of the way that we've, you know, done stuff.

But I think that's all breaking. you know if you're a book of raw guy right so so i'm completely there you know book of raw is some channeled old information that i think happened in the 80s or 90s um but it turns out it's kind of really interesting information that that says that we're in this density that we're in right now we're kind of the the dilemma is service to self or service to others right so i'm either going to be somebody who's concerned about my fellow man i'm concerned about nature you know i want want to kind of do everything that we're talking about, you know, bring these natural, you know, processes and glorify God, you know, so I'm a guy that wants to glorify God. So that's service to

others or I can be a service to self-guide. And that means, you know, I'm going to be all about me and my stuff. And that looks like the way that we've constructed our society. I mean, if you look at corporations, you know, you're a slave to your boss until you become a boss and then you get slaves. You know, so it's everything is constructing our society in this master of slave way. Again, I think this is all changing. I think we're flipping this around. And that's, you know, some of that information would indicate that that is the case. And there's a lot of other things that would indicate that's the case.

What do you think of that? What would be interesting to what you think of that. Yeah. You know, I see the awakening as an uprising. And even before COVID, you know, you had the yellow best movement. You had the uprisings in the Middle East, you know, the Middle East spring. And I think that the people that run the institutions, predominantly the monetary institutions, had lost control back in 08. And everything since 08 has sort of been a patch on the system.

You know, I went back and I read, there's an interesting Federal Reserve papers that you can read. you know, one of one was when Alan Greenspan was getting grilled by Congress, and he says something along the lines of, there was a flaw in my ideas about money. And you realize that there's zero consequences for someone who completely brought down a system while all of his friends got enriched. And you go, wow, what happened there? And you start looking at the way in which Occupy Wall Street had people in positions of authority and old money families running for the hills. And we got to do something. It wasn't just in the U.S.

It was everywhere. And it's been happening everywhere and everywhere since. And I think that that was the one of the, the awakening had been happening for quite some time. We saw forerunners in like Tesla and like great men. I think that these were the first to be awakened, you know. And all of a sudden now more and more people are being awakened. And there's this momentum that the old world, the old system is dying. And the lifeblood of the old system was this idea of money.

That idea of money is dying. And that's why there's so much war right now. When I look at Iran, I see people standing up to a bully. You know, I see them like, we're not going to take this anymore. I see them. I remember I worked in a corporate job for 26 years. And I got to the point where I was so demoralized. I was treated like a piece of garbage, like a number.

And the more that I stood up, the more flack I got. The more I stood up, the more flak I got. I said, no, this is wrong. And I stood up for myself because I didn't want my daughter to have to do it. And I thought if I don't stand up more than she has to do it. And so does everybody in my work that's fed up but is too afraid to say something, I'll say something for them. And you realize when you start fighting, you start getting it further and further to the top, it's not a bug. It's a feature.

People want you dis, they want you shameful. They want you to feel as if you're inferior. They want you to feel like there's no hope. And that is BS bullshit, man. And there's plenty of hope out there. And the real courage comes when you find that nugget of sunlight, that nugget of truth, that nugget of belief in yourself. And you breathe on that ember. And it grows.

And it pulls people towards you. And your relationship with your wife gets better. And your kids get better. And your neighbors get. He starts seeing this thing grow inside of you. And it begins to burn. And that's what's been happening. And so many of these small embers have become flames around the world.

And what looks like chaos to the people control. role in the narrative looks like freedom to everybody who's been slaving under this system that doesn't work for people anymore. And there's no stopping it. But things might get bad. Will people turn to a limited nuclear strike? Maybe. But they're just going to, the more they, it's like that Chinese finger trap. The more they wrestle away, the tighter it gets. Like people should come to grips. Now, people in positions of authority should come to grips with your system is over. Start looking at how to make a better system for everybody else. And there's a lot of pain. Like there's going to be. There's going to be, there's going to be a financial calamity of which we haven't seen, at least in my

lifetime as a Gen X, like the whole stock market's going to crap. Everything's going away. And it's scary. But as soon as you come to that idea of like, okay, what if it does? Well, you're still here. You still have people that love you. You know, we're going to find out what matters. Like I, you know, I see the crisis coming. And I don't, I'm hopeful that there's enough of us to stop it from really happening. But on some level, I'm happy to see that system go. It doesn't serve me. It doesn't serve you. It doesn't serve our kids. It doesn't serve the rest of the world. It doesn't serve the average person. The entire system is propping up a handful of arrogant, condescending people that don't care about the world. Man, wow, we like minded and completely

clear the way that you see it. I think we're, I think just by our force of will, we're breaking down the, you know, the wall. And I agree with you that it's been changing for a while. Yeah. And, you know, I see in my little silo, I see it in health. But to your point, you know, you hate to say this to people because it kind of freaks people out. But, you know, you're mistought about how to, we're not taught anything about how to run our immune system, right? Right.

And again, I can teach in five minutes how to run your immune system. Intermitt and fast is the biggest thing. But, you know, that gives you an immune system. But if you're fed all the time, your immune system's going to be down. So you're going to get pathogens. You're going to get some infection. And you're going to become sick from that infection. It may take 10 years.

It may take five. It may take one. It may take 30. But I can make you sick just by not teaching you about your immune system. And then I can add all these soaps and detergents and EMF and 5G and all these things that also impact your immune system. I can just make you even more vulnerable. So now I've controlled you, slave. I've limited your life.

Basically, I know how much you're going to earn. I know how much you're worth as a medical thing. You know, so I've completely, like, controlled you by being bad. And so it looks like almost everything in our society, even the cereal that we eat, even the detergents that we use are designed to kind of wreck your immune system, make you sick to enslave you. And you hate to think that way, but boy, is it obvious to me? Yeah. You know, here's an interesting one too. When you look at addiction, you know, whether it's some people get addicted to alcohol or addiction can be to drug use.

isn't it interesting that the world of business has used the model of addiction to create a system that promotes their business? And I'm like, you know, a good example is Xerox. Zerogs will give you the copyer for free, but then they'll sell you the toner. Every good drug dealer knows the first one's always free. First one's always free. You know what I mean? Here, oh, you need some more? Come on over here.

But it's interesting to think about it from that angle, how our business models echo our disease models. you're absolutely right and addiction is it everybody you know so so a lot of people out there listening listening to this podcast will go addiction's a big problem thank goodness it doesn't touch me uh yeah stop eating sugar yeah right just stop eating sugar yeah go for it man um and again you know it's i tell this story all the time so peruvians for thousands of years have chewed cocoa leaves right So chew coca leaves and it's just part of their culture. Nobody gets addicted. I'm sure people chew them too much and stuff.

But it's just part of their culture and part of they do. They do it for energy. It's like drinking coffee. There are people who drink too much coffee. So people chew coca leaves. But if I take that coca leaf and I refine the cocaine out of it to a delicate powder and then I start sniffing that, that's harmful. That's addictive.

Right. So it's going to cause all kinds of problems. So if I, you know, something from nature can be very, very nice and benign and work very well. If I take that and synthesize it, now I have something that's horribly addictive. These people are experts at doing that. And, you know, go try to mess with a sugar cane plant in Hawaii

and see how far you get. Go look at the ownership of sugar plant can, you know, sugar plant plant plantations in Hawaii and see if you can get to, really, who owns those, you know, you'll end up at blackwater and places like that, which are interesting, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's fascinating to think about the way in which so much of our health depends on what we consume

and narrative control and how all these things have frequency. You know, what I think about language or fear, how do you think that those two things can work together to either boost the immune system or the endocannabino system or decrease the immune system? or is there a relationship between language, fear, and health, in your opinion? Yeah, absolutely. So if you're just, let's say, energetically, vibrational, you know, kind of fear is the lowest, let's say, expressing emotion.

So if you're always fearful, then you're going to be, let's say, as a being, operating at a lower frequency than if you're always grateful. So gratitude would be the exact opposite of fear. And, you know, finding gratitude in a fearful situation is a just, that's a sort of spiritual gym, you know, if you can do that. So, and that'll turn around a lot of situations. But, you know, frequency is so important in kind of how we function. It's going to be such an important part of, you know, all discussions in the future. But there are, you know, there's a way that it works. And again, I don't know everything about it. I don't think any, I know more about it.

Let's say that, you know, I'm a one percenter there for sure. But. you know that we don't have it figured out the way that we need to have it figured out so it's it's looking like there'll be different like long wave frequencies that do certain things like to you physically and then more you know quick hitting like you know petrohertz tetrahertz frequencies that do other things to you and you know cellularly how cells communicate so that how cells are communicating with each other again is a frequency thing that you can get in the middle of so you could block that so you could block the let's say action or a distance of cells if you wanted to There's just so much there.

It's like we've been, it's kind of like we've been taught at overly complicated. Like if I taught you about your car and said, hey, I'm going to teach you about your car, but let's start with how combustion works and internal valve pressure and oxygen to fuel mixture and the mathematics of that. Let's start with all that in order to teach you how your car works. And that's kind of the way that physicians are taught now. And, you know, it's brilliant how these. let's say evil people have constructed this society, but it is all falling down.

So let me give you this. You'll love this. So if you go around the world, there's a certain architecture. Let's call it Greco-Roman architecture that's very prevalent around the world. And again, it was it, you could, the first people that came to Quebec, so the first hundred people or 500 people that came to Quebec apparently built a giant Grecolle. Roman cathedral, a giant Greco-Roman university, a giant Greco-Roman town hall with 500 people. And that was the first thing that they did.

So you can find these buildings all over the world, all over the world. You can find them in Africa. But the cool thing is when you look at the churches, okay, and what they call churches now, I don't think they were called churches then. I think we had this tech. I think we've fallen from a way higher civilization. I think we went to sleep. I think we knew how to live close to nature.

We knew how to live close to God. But anyway, in these churches, first of all, if you look at those old churches, they look like speakers, don't they? So they all will have the same features in their front configuration and slides just like a speaker, okay? Just like something that's built to promote acoustic sound. Now, when you look at the old organs, those old organs, if you look at, let's say, how light moves. So light is this giant frequency. And we see this much of light. Okay?

So there's this vast spectrum, let's say, of frequency that you can equate it to light or sound or however you want to, but sound is kind of a tight frequency. Light is a big one. It looks like these organs were meant to play all of these different notes and all of these different octaves to hit this broad frequency spectrum, right? And likely they were done. Why would you do that? for musical enjoyment, likely not.

To me, those look like hospitals. Interesting. Bringing us back to frequency and light. And sound. In the beginning, in the beginning there was the word. The word was God. God is the word. You know, so that's pretty clear.

And literally, you know, the spoken word is important because you are creating. frequency anything that you know it's really interesting the bible is an interesting book there's some interesting stuff that was dug up in the 40s i think so the nagamati whenever that was c scrolls 40s or 50s the bad guys didn't have a chance to alter it before we got to it so there's some interesting stuff in there but the there's a called secret book of john so the Apocryphi of John or Secret Book of John. And it tells a little bit different and more vast creation story.

It's really, really an interesting story, but it's a little bit broader, let's say, the Adam and Eve story. But one of the things that it talks about is when this realm was created, the first thing that it did was move. It says it moved. It's like, why would you put that in there? Well, when something moves, it creates frequency. It begins to create frequency.

see. If you define life, kind of got to this with, you know, I don't, I couldn't have a good definition of life right now, you know, membrane and potential maybe. So it would be that basic. But if you look at cancer, so cancer absolutely, we know now can be formed from a pathogen. So pathogens, bacteria, and, you know, certain things will cause cancer. So does that mean all cancer is pathogenic? No, because we also know that, you know, radiation. So, you know, So you know, Hiroshima type radiation will cause cancer as well. So what's the commonality between those two things? Well, it turns out it's DNA.

And so both of those things do something called abduct. So they'll sort of glom on things to DNA. So they'll adduct DNA. And DNA is a big antenna. It's just a big, basically, quantum antenna. And so when you add that DNA, you're changing the frequency that it's able to receive. well cancer no doubt is alive it makes decisions you know it devoid your immune system like crazy you know so it's alive well does just abdecting DNA create life um you know maybe you know so so now we get to some

really interesting questions about life and what is life if you talk to these bioelectric guys they're going to tell you anything with potential it's got a membrane in between it we'll create frequency and we'll create life right so we don't even have a good definition of life right now that's how much we need to recast the current system yeah it's it blows my mind to think about on some level we feel like we're so advanced in so many ways but all of our technology it seems like all of our tax dollars goes to technology to build war machines like that's all Is that like the highest achievement of man is building weapons? Is that all we can do?

When I start looking, I think that people's relationship to plant medicines is one of the fastest ways they can begin to see a more clearer picture of reality. And I remember, I know that maybe the death of my son and plant medicine coincide with each other. But that's when I began to really begin to see how much just real bullshit is out there. And when you think about the term of history, you think to yourself, like, who's history? My history or my friend from Japan's history. My history are the people in Palestine's history. My history are the people in Iran's history. Like, whose history are we talking about?

And then you realize, like, just look at the word history, his story. Like so much of history is just under the guise of someone's story. Like, you know, the subjective nature of history means that almost everything is bold. shit on some level. And it forces you to start living your life in accordance with a better way, I think. Does that kind of make sense? Yeah. No, it makes sense. You know, like if I'm an evil, let's say I'm an evil, you know, with these evil people that are, you know, they're generationally evil. They've been around for a long, long time. If I'm one of these evil people and I want to control the world, one of the problems that I have are indigenous peoples, right?

So you've got, you know, likely, and I don't, you know, I know from a textbook that I have in 1900, that geography was taught around five indigenous races of man. I think that's fascinating. So if I know I've got an indigenous race, let's say in Russia, I've got an indigenous race in Africa, those people are living close to nature. They have for many years. They're connected to the land. They're connected to their culture.

They're connected to nature. They, you know, hundreds, thousands of years. they've sort of culturally developed this. I've got to wreck that right off. I can't have that in my evil world. I can't have people. You know, I can't have them. They're connected in Asia, not me.

So I've got to wreck that. And so I've got to start these mass migrations. And if you look in history, when that started, again, it's all of this stuff kind of started around the same time. You know, so I've got to move these indigenous. I've got to create a war or something. I've got to disrupt this indigenous situation. Then I've got to keep it disrupted where these indigenous people don't ever find their attraction and footing with God and nature again.

And so look at Africa. I mean, Africa is the best, you know, kind of in, you know, within a couple of generations here of, you know, what's happened. So Africa's, you know, completely the indigenous people have been starved, have been diseased, have been wiped out. So you've, you know, wrecked that whole indigenous connection to the land. You know, the last bastions of that are kind of Peru and, you know, the Andes, right? And where you still have some people clinging to, you know, that whole, even in Native America, you know, I'm Chickasaw. I'm a Chickasaw cardholder, you know, I'm Native American, even our people. It we can't, the current situation, I won't go to our tribe specifically, I'll spare you guys.

But the current situation, let's say, with natives in the United States, we all have health systems, which is really cool. Most of our tribes will pay for health for our citizens, which is really a kind of a cool and neat thing. But all of those services are contracted through Indian Health Services. Indian Health Services is in the same branch of the U.S. military as the CDC and the FDA. Okay. So again, you're, you know, Native Americans are just ceding their health to this same, you know, system. So even the indigenous that are still indigenous are getting eroded and their connection and roots to nature and to all that are going away.

But I do think it's all going to come back to your point. I think it's all coming back now. Yeah, it's such an interesting time to be alive. You know, I got a couple questions here from some people that I spoke to before our conversation. So I want to try to get a couple of these bad boys in here and see what you think. Okay, let's do it. The endocannabinoid system is often described as a master regulator of homeostasis in the body. What are the philosophical implications of having such a complex and interconnected regulatory system

that underpins so many of our physiological process. Yeah, that's a very, very good question. And I would, I kind of, I'm a logician, I guess if that's a proper word. So I kind of more look at it through algos, right? So through algorithms. And if I'm going to really kind of figure out how you work and if I'm going to do the best job that I possibly can and kind of deconstructing you as a machine, then I've got to know the algos, right?

So I've got to know what the top. top, you know, decision is and kind of where the top, those top, if then, else statements, if you will. And so that's the endocannabinoid system. The endocannabinoid system is those top, well, circadians sits a little bit above this. So you don't have some systems that sit above it. But physiologically, the way that you're controlling, let's say most cells and most organs in your body is the endocannabinoid system. So it is your top algorithm, if you will. How does that translate philosophically, it depends on what your heads at. But you go a lot of different ways with that. But to me, it's the, you know, it's the tie-in to God. It's how God touches this.

You know, mitochondria would be our direct kind of, you know, scientifically provable, you know, access to light. And light to me would be the, you know, God's voice. You know, so it's kind of all that to me. Yeah. What are some of the things you see on the horizon for the endocannabinoid system. Do you see, maybe in the next year, do you think that there's going to be some sort of growth between the endocannabinoid system and the companies like 23 and me or these companies that can really take a good look at your individual genetic profile?

Yeah. So that's a good question. 23 and me, I wouldn't send my stuff there, but because there was a reason. but that's a very good question. So I think you're going to have a couple of things happen. So you're going to have this continued, let's say, progress of what's happening in the states now with medical and recreational use programs. You're going to have a lot of money from pharmaceutical and tobacco to drive that to recreational

use. So to basically keep this off of your radar as a medical thing and more as a liquor store thing. Okay. So this is for fun. it's not medical it's yeah yeah we'll give it to you for fun but it's not medical i just saw a stat on michigan's medical market since they legalized recreational and it's it's gone gone down so that's not what we want to have happen um so activists like me need to continue to be out here talking

and kind of informing and educating people but that's going to continue to rock and roll along the way that it is again states have won that right here in the united states so that won't change you know you break the constitution if you tried to change that. The biggest thing, two things I think biggest drivers that are going to really, really change this, the world would be the biggest one. So I'm kind of part of a situation that's trying to be in conferences to the world for medical, medical marijuana and not just medical marijuana, but how to regulate it. I don't know if you know this or not, but I was the activist who wrote the law in Oklahoma.

So I know a lot about the regulatory and how it works. How I screwed it up. So we screwed it up in Oklahoma. We made it better now. But you know, so how to do all that, right? So we've all these lessons learned that we can bring to our countries. So other countries are going to begin to light up. Other countries are going to be, they, you know, a country like Thailand is in an

interesting position. It's kind of out of control now. As it gets more out of control, it's medical and they may decide as a government, we want to lead the world in research here. Now, I want them to hire me right away if they decide. to do that i'd be very excited about that um but you know you may have situations like that that facilitate all this reason to answer your question tons of research needs to be done tons and tons of research we need to have the endocannabinoid system taught at every single major university as a phdd

level program there are no phds in the endocannabinates i'm the best you're going to get i'm sorry there's a lot of phds that are like me that are self-taught but there is no program that's minting PhDs in the endocannabinoid system yet there needs to be there's got to be we can't have PhDs teaching MSs because we don't have any PhDs yet so we've got to change that how do we change that situation again the government needs to be letting grants around this system i'll tell you i'll tell you a couple of cool stories about and this is how things can change but this is the way that they are now so i was a TEDx speaker in 2020s the endocanabino know, conurbinoid system. And TEDx is a, is a, is if you've never been through it, you know,

it's a, it's a very scripted thing. So you give your talk a hundred times. It's pretty well scripted by the TED people. I mean, you're saying what you want to say, but they're telling you where to stand, how to say it, you know, all this kind of stuff. And the people that you're talking with hear your talk, God, you know, 20 different times. So yeah, it gets annoying, believe me. So we're in the green room and we're all getting ready to do our TED talk. And so we're all kind of nervous and everything. Everybody's talking. I go, my Ted X will never see Big Ted.

All those speakers laugh at me. Ha, ha, ha. Yes, it will. Chip. There's nothing controversial in your thing. Of course it will. Come, you know, we do the speeches. The videos come out.

You know, we all get our videos. You know, we're seeing them go up on Big Ted. There's one. Where's chips? Where's chips? I told you. I mean, it'll never, and it's still not up there and it never will be. Okay.

So, and there's a reason for that. you know we know ted is likely controlled again pharma doesn't necessarily want this information out you know so it's still censored um so you know that's kind of one thing that happens and i can tell you about our company and everything that we've been through trying to develop from 2014 to you know 2020 and we don't even have that company i got tired of it i couldn't do it anymore no joke i mean it just we couldn't make any money we're just defending ourselves all the time you know so that has to change and I do be and I'm just telling it from my personal experiences believe me there's people have been through similar if not worse but I think that that is beginning to change now it is

slowly beginning to change so I'm seeing I had a call with I won't tell you what pharmaceutical company but I had a great call with a pharmaceutical company right before this you know interview so they're opening up and beginning to at least you know try to steal things from us which is good. That's what we need to have happen. You know, pharma and natural products need to come together to build what comes next. And we need their help and they need ours. Yeah, it's a great point. Is there from where you sit and the work that you've done,

do you think there's a real threat to big pharma profits by using plant medicines that don't really have a patent on them or molecules that are unpatentable? They didn't even worry about this. You know, they did DeShay back in the 90s, you know, so they kind of created their firewalls and stuff, you know, against natural products in the 90s. So they really didn't worry about this much, but I think they're beginning to worry about it now. They're beginning to listen. You know, if you think of a drug development company, so, you know, any drug development company, their customer, once they develop their drug, their customer really isn't you. It's insurance, right?

So it's they're selling that drug to insurance. and then insurance is, you know, they're selling that to doctors, and they may be selling to doctors too, but they're, they never hear from you. You're not their customer. It's doctors and insurance.

Ozympic. Ozympic, so the need for OZIPIC right now, the weight loss drug, completely reshaping this landscape because you've got all, and again, OZimic is not, if you want a safe solution, you know, contact George and contact me.

I'll give you a safe solution. But, But in OZNPIC is not safe because, again, you can't fight some of these big fasting and fed switches in your body. There's better ways to do things by blowing with the wind. But OZMPIC has created this. It's a groundswell of customer demand that is now driving the pharma industry. That's never really happened that way before. So it's really interesting.

So they're beginning to listen and they're beginning to understand that, you know, going and and taking a cannabis leaf and making a drug out of it is is not going to be what they do, but they might take some pieces out of cannabis and look at those as drugs. They might begin to, you know, look at combining things and engineering things into drugs like they should be doing instead of single molecule stuff. So I see this is beginning to change. And just in the conversations that I'm having and the interest that I'm getting, you know, from pharmaceutical companies, I'm seeing that the tone, let's say.

change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It seems to me that there's so much demand, or at least I see the industry growing at such a pace. I don't see how the pharmaceutical companies cannot want to be involved in something that's good for people and something that's helping people and the results are undeniable. When you look at PTSD and different types of plant medicine, like it's just changing people's lives in a way that is good for them, good for their family, good for their community, and good for the planet. I can't imagine a pharmaceutical, but not wanting to be a part of that unless it threatened them somehow. Yeah, and that's the question. So, you know, why wouldn't you, is it threatening? And why is it threatening? Why is, you know, helping you with your health and kind

of creating a better you threatening? It shouldn't be. Yeah, we should all be rolling the boat in the same direction. And it, and to your point, I think part of the Great Awakening, you know, part of what we're going through is, you know, coming to the realization that that very realization that we just mentioned, that, you know, again, if their motives were good, they wouldn't be behaving in the way that they are. So that must indicate their motives are not good. And they're not, some of them. They're certainly good pharma companies. I'm not, you know, yeah, but they're bad ones too. You know, it's interesting how all of these, most people don't know this, but at the end of World War two, a company called there's a big giant German conglomerate called IG Farben.

And a lot of these, let's say companies that we're talking about modeled their existence off of IG Farben. So IG Farben, Monsanto would have had its genesis in IG Farben, mayors, you know, would be still part of IG Farben. You know, a lot of the big, let's say, food companies and agricultural companies, would have had their genesis or could tie back to IG Farben. And these companies are still connected and still kind of, you know, if you look at the, I don't know if you've seen the aggregate of the food companies, you know,

and they all roll up to four or five different companies. Same with, you know, big agriculture and everything. So all companies will roll up to these IG Farben-like companies. So it makes you wonder, I mean, didn't, you know, did somebody just take that World War II model and we're still living under it with these corporations and, you know, would any of these corporations kind of have a similar attitude and similar motivation that we're talking about? And likely, yes, you know, and that's, you know, they're all kind of conglomerated now in these big, you know, Black Rock type organization. So,

easy to control, easy to set an agenda, you know, easy to set an agenda all through hundreds and thousands of companies if you control the parent. Yeah. In some ways, it makes me, you know, if you read Victor Frankl's book, Man Search for Meaning, or you do any research on some of the medical experimentation that was done on humans at that time, it kind of echoes COVID a little bit. Like, you know, to see that there are these certain types of vaccines that are rolled out that don't have any testing or hardly any testing and they're given to wide groups of people, control,

groups and, you know, it's so mind-blowing and shameful, although I can see the reasons why people would do it to have a real-time medical experiment on unknowing people. Like the benefits and the information you can get from that are probably incalculable. You can learn so much from doing that. And I think that that is what the idea was when they experimented on humans in the World War II. And it's probably been going on. Like if you look at the Tuskegee experiment or, you know, some people say things about HIV. Like you can see that this real-time experimentation hasn't changed. Like it's just, it's continued. I don't know that IG fraudulent or at least

not that model. Like it's happening today. Completely. Yeah, I completely agree with you. You know, COVID, I would say, is a, is an experiment. And it appears to me, again, I'm just observer here. I don't have any proof of this, but it's, I think it's pretty. obvious to all of us, that it, you know, they experiment on us in different ways. So they might like actually experiment on us with a drug or they might experiment on us on our willingness to take that drug. So, you know, can I manipulate you into getting a COVID jab? And how much of the population, you know, can I manipulate into that? And I think they, you know, they, they play these games for future, you know, to see how they can influence. Again, it's all about that cue, right?

So it's all about you're in my's collective consciousness. And if I can steer that collective consciousness, then I have, God, I've control of you. I've control the world. I've control of history. I've control of outcomes. Yeah. You know, if you're controlling that, then I don't, right? The thing that we all have to do, this is what we're all going to come to grips with.

And it, there's been a lot of evil done to you and I, a lot of evil. But at the same time, didn't I raise my hand and allow it to happen? happen to it. And that's the hard truth. And that's the hard truth that we're all going to have to face that as we face that truth, we will make change. We will say, yeah, I did that. The boy, fool me once, but you ain't never going to fool me again. I ain't never going to let that happen to me again. And I'm never going to let that happen to the world again and the decisions that I made that allowed this to happen. You know, we all allowed COVID to happen. We all participated in the, you know, in the shutdowns and the, in the, all of the.

that and, you know, we, we didn't have to do that, you know, so it's, it's, it's easier if you stand up with me. But, you know, we all have to stand up and we all have to take accountability that, you know, if, you know, did the U.S. government create COVID and Ukraine and bio labs? Well, if they did, you and I paid for it. We paid more with our tax law. We agreed to that at some level. So we all have to take accountability for this. And that's the way we'll begin to really change. things. I like that. I think that speaks. That's like the antidote to the incredible division that's being thrust upon us is that like we're all responsible. And responsibility doesn't have to be a bad word. It can just mean the ability to respond. When you look at it from that angle,

it kind of empowers you like, oh, it's our tax money that's going to bomb people. I paid for that. I don't want to pay for that, you know, or why? We're going to pass how much money to go to Israel and Ukraine right now, $91 billion? What about all the people that are homeless? What about our country? And it's that idea of, okay, well, you know what? Maybe I'll quit my job. How about that? I'll pay any tax money. You know what I mean? Or how about instead of consuming stuff on Twitter, I'll make my own podcast. I'll stop consuming their entire narrative and I'll create my own. People will be like, what's that going to do? You'd be surprised what it would do. It'll change the way you see the world and you as an individual, your frequency, your resident. It's contagious.

You could smile. If you could talk to cool people, it changes, man. it changes everything. Do we do we really need money? I mean, imagine if you could eliminate money and just create a barter system that was you know fair trade, right? So we're talking about these ideas now because these ideas are coming and we're we're all what are we going to put in our queue? So what will the pharmaceutical system look like that we all want? Well, we're all making that decision now. That's why we're having these conversations, which is really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's maybe this is what freedom looks like. Freedom is work.

Freedom is, you know, freedom is not sitting back and letting someone else make my decisions for me. Freedom is discerning through every one of those decisions with copious amounts of information and then making a really informed decision. And that's work. And a lot of us quit. Yeah.

You know, I mean generationally, our parents and our parents before us, You know, I did. I wasn't awake 10 years ago. I am now. You know, I quit. I gave up, you know, bought into the system. I make money, play golf, go on vacations, raise a family. You know, and so a lot of us do that. But a lot of us are waking up. So that's the cool thing. The majority of us are waking up. It's interesting when you look at polls, right? So you look at, you know, political polls is the best way to see this. And I'll go, you know, live in Oklahoma. So Oklahoma is a very conservative state. talk to people and you know what do you think about this what do you think about this what do you think about this and so i'll kind of do my own poll you know i'm a math guy right so i know how to do that then you look at polls on the same subjects is like uh that's not what everybody around me thinks and you know people

go to this that's what people in new york or hawaii think right but no because you're doing the same thing i'm doing you're going well people think like me but it must be those people in oklahoma that skew these polls, right? We all think alike. It's so easy to unite us. It takes so much work to divide. You have to have goals. You have to have political actions.

You have to work, work, work to divide. Hopefully they'll just run out of gas. It'll be the best thing, George. Well, I think that that's why the financial system is breaking, is that the narrative is breaking. And those two, you can't control a population if you can't control the narrative. And that's what's breaking down is people. see the division, they see the bullshit, and then they see all the money going away.

Like, wait a minute, that's ours. Oh, it's this, it's this immigrants fault. No, it's the white guy's fight. No, it's the black guy's fault. And it's the trans people's fault. No, no. All of us, all of us are being divided against the people that are taking all the money. Like, it's not that hard to see.

And it's not like this hasn't happened before, like international finance or national finance. But, yeah, I do. I agree. I think we're waking up and going to see. see some. Yeah, you know, you know, one of the most, and again, I don't want to pick on any organization. There's a, yeah, do it. Go ahead. If you know of this, you know, man that I'm going to speak of, then you'll know, you know, what organization he was a part of. And there's lots of good people, let's say, that are in that organization. But there was a guy named Albert

Pike that wrote a letter. And Albert Pike was instrumental in my Chickasaw Nation, you know, our treaties with the U.S. government. So he was actually the attorney that represented a lot of Indian tribes. But he wrote letters and he wrote letters to, let's say, peers in his organization. And one of the letters that he wrote described three World War. This was in 1871, three world wars. And he described World War I just down to the parties involved and down to the outcomes perfectly. He described World War II in the same manner. And he described World War III in a very interesting way. but he described World War III as a battle between Christians and Muslims. And aren't we seeing that set up right now?

And aren't we in the middle of that right now? And, you know, the outcome of that battle would be, you know, everybody's so disillusioned with Allah or God that it's now time that Lucifer can emerge as the light bringer, the, you know, glory of man, of, you know, whatever, right? So, so, you know, there's a plan, you know, that these people have. That's a long-running plan. It, you know, some of us have spent a lot of time wrecking that plan, which has been kind of fun. But, you know, it's, and again, it's, it's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out.

But we're kind of, you know, we're right at that moment now. We're really right in the crosshairs, you know, right now. Spiritually, energetically, I think we, I think that eclipse was an interesting thing. Yeah. You know, the sun every 11 years will, will change polarity. So it'll go from, let's say, a plus to a minus or from a minus to a plus. Does that matter here? Does that mean energy is more favorable in one direction or another?

Maybe, likely. So I think we're just at a good, I think we're going to see a lot of change. Let's say from April 8th forward pretty rapidly, which will be pretty cool. Yeah, me too. our good friend Clint Kyle says Albert Pike and James Bowie, Arkansas Boys and Freemasons. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, so that's, you name the organization.

And there's a lot of good people, you know, in that organization. But if I want to kind of control things, that's the good organization to use to do so. So I would just say that. Boy, we went way away from the end of the Alabama. Wow. It's fun, though. It's like good conversations.

You know, and I think that a good conversation is like a stream that flows from the mountain of the ocean. It just finds its way. Well, this is fun, man. You should come back and we should have more conversations. If we'll bring Clint on or we can find Mark and we can have more discussions about things as they arise. Before I let you go, though, Chip, what can people find you? What do you have coming up and what are you excited about? Oh, yeah, sure.

So we have a brand. And so I have a patents around what we do. So we manufacture, let's say, natural products and CBDs that impact the endocannabinoid system. So that brand is called TrueMedics and it's T-R-U-E-M-E-D-X.com. I do, I have a lot of intellectual property. So I work and I'm always looking, let's say, for pharmaceutical, open-minded pharmaceutical companies to work with. I have, you know, all kinds of intellectual property. You know, cannabinoid testing, you know, how you make changes with the system and, you know,

drugs, drug ideas, all kinds of stuff. Yeah. So we've got lots of intellectual property that I'm kind of always shopping and looking for, you know, partners to work with to develop because it's important and it'll make a difference. And then day to day, we have a clinic. So we see, we can't call them patients. I'm not a doctor, but we see customers. and we use biorescence and thermal imaging to evaluate them

and that we use our TrueMedics products to kind of help them or we recommend out. So one thing I feel is important as a kind of a, let's say, helper of people is to educate you about how you work. So basically give you the tools to help yourself. And then, you know, if you want to kind of make it easy and use one of our natural products, then great, you know, do so. But and then we, I work with, like I have worked with University of Mississippi for a long time.

with a researcher there and we're still working together on some let's say intellectual property around testing testing the system so all different kinds of things but the day to day is the clinic and the brand that we have culture medicine what what are the laws in your area on cannabis i know that in different parts of the country there's different laws and some are some are more liberal and some are more conservative but what what are the laws around medical cannabis in your area well the nice thing about the laws in Oklahoma were I wrote them. That is a good thing. And then I managed to petition the state with a bunch of help from we the people.

And I had to do that twice, but I managed to get my law on the books in Oklahoma. So we've got a good situation here in Oklahoma. And we won the day in Oklahoma, really with a week. There wasn't any, there was just, you know, Chip and his wife. Cindy who in a guy named Frank Grove who really did everything here in Oklahoma. So there wasn't any big business get. There wasn't any big farm agenda. There wasn't any big cannabis agenda with what we did.

It was completely weed of people. So here in Oklahoma, we have a really good situation. And I wanted to do, I've watched this develop in so many other states. And again, I wrote everything in 2015. So it was a long time ago. But I, in Oklahoma, I wanted it to be medical. I'd be recreational. I don't really, if you want to do your liquor store thing, do your liquor store thing.

But I'm more concerned with medical. So I wanted to, but I wanted to make it open access and I saw at the time where every other state was riding in medical conditions. So you have to have, you know, coxic wasting syndrome or cancer, you know, whatever, or to qualify for a card. Well, I'm a researcher here, you know, and I know in 2015, I knew enough at least to know, well, it, you know, medical marijuana is going to help regulate your body. It doesn't really matter what's wrong with you. It's going to help regulate that situation

and kind of right that situation. So the medical condition that is, is folly. So let's not do that. And then the other thing that we have here in Oklahoma that's unique is every other state that did a medical program would cap their commercial licenses. So we're only going to have 10 growers and 10 processors and 10 dispensaries. And the way that on the back end, the way that all of that worked it was you know it was just brother-in-law to the highest because those licenses are worth millions and millions of dollars in that controlled environment so i wanted to i wanted to make our program on the business side accessible to every oklahoma so anybody wanted to get into business i thought they had a right and needed to have the right to get into marijuana business so i

set unlimited licenses meaning there were no license limits and a $2,500 license fee. So anybody in Oklahoma who wanted to get into marijuana business did, believe me. And I thought it was right and fair, but it created this first free market situation that's never really happened in marijuana before, you know, Colorado when they went wreck, you could kind of argue after a year they opened it up and it kind of got to be that way. But it was controlled before it got that way. So we're the first market to ever really be open.

Now, what does that resulted in? We don't have any, so in marijuana regulation right now, a big deal is diversity. So, okay, you know, state of Maryland or, you know, state of New Jersey, you know, what is your diversity profile with your licensees? You know, because you've controlled licensees, so are you making that diverse? So there's this huge argument about diversity. In Oklahoma, we don't have any of that. There was, you know, if I speak to a group of.

of commercial license holders in Arizona, they're very white in color. If I speak to a commercial group of owners in Oklahoma, they're as diverse as Oklahoma is because it's a completely open market. The other thing that's nice about Oklahoma, because it is so much of an open market, is that I as a patient, when I go into a dispensary, there's unlimited selections of product.

There's a great diversity of products. so I can find tons of different edibles, beverages, tablets, tinks. We don't have suppositories for some reason. You know, I can find all manner of things in our market that I can't even find flour sometimes in Missouri. You know, so yes, it matters. And yes, it matters, you know, on how the laws crafted, you know, trade organizations matter a lot. This is building, we're building an industry from the ground up. I just had a meeting with the Oklahoma Regulatory here.

And I try to help the Oklahoma Regulatory. I want to help the Oklahoma Regulatory. And they're open, which is great. So they want to hear, you know, ideas and all this kind of stuff. So we were having kind of a meeting with them. And, you know, there's so many things that need to change with, with regulation and cannabis. But one of the big things in Oklahoma that's broken is we have our legislature that all they're doing is they're listening to, you know, Joe Citizen and Joe Citizen may have all different

kinds of opinions about what needs to be done, but it's restrictive. It's, it's restricting freedoms and liberties that we already have won. And this is where our legislature right now seems to be out right now. Well, our regulatory has all these needs. I mean, they have needs for all different kinds of things that they need to get through the legislature. And they don't talk to each other. They don't talk to each other because it's a new industry. So I go and talk to lawmakers and I go, well, you know, you're not talking to the OMMA. Why not? You know, how do you talk to the petroleum industry? Oh, we talk to the lobbyists. So you communicate with the petroleum industry through their lobbyists. Yes, we communicate with the petroleum industry through their lobbyists.

So we need to get a lobbyist. You know, so we get a lobbyist. They won't talk to our lobbyists, right? So this is so broken because it's so. new, you know, state lawmakers don't know how to deal with it. It's, it comes at them, you know, we come up to the legislature, you know, 600 wild screaming crazy all the end that nobody else does, right? So they just don't, they, it's scary to them. They don't know how to deal with it. And there's no, like there's no trade organization. There's no interface with chamber of commerce. There's no insurance interface. There's no banking interface. There's no, we're not a, real boy yet, right?

We're still in Pinocchio land. So we have to build all this stuff as an industry. And every time you build something, you know, it creates all kinds of stuff. But minimally, it, you know, legislatures need to be talking to regulators in order to properly build this

because it is so new and dynamic, different, and it's different than any other industry. What an amazing idea to have open markets. And, you know, all I can about is what I make I think about a lot of different things but when you bring up that specific point about having an open market for cannabis and not needing diversity like it kind of just shows you

how much of a scam on some level that it is like just open up to everybody no no no because then you can't control it like yeah it's crazy to me just open it up let let the best people play let's see what happens let's have the best product let's have the best service and we got to do it that way here in Oklahoma because we did it. We the people really did it here in Oklahoma. In most states, you have some, you know, got, hey, I want to be a cannabis guy. I'm a rich guy. You know, I'm want to, you know, I'll help write the law. You know, I'll spend my $10 million, but I want my $100 million hook, you know, in the law so that I make money. And so that's the way most of them are written. Or again, you've got NGOs, non-government organizations that will get involved.

And, you know, there's a George Soros organization that gets involved in a lot of these that is, like, tries to get marijuana legislation on the ballot at the same time as more left-leaning candidates. You know, so it's, that's, and they found that that to be somewhat successful. So they spend a lot of money to do that. And then they spend a lot of money to influence legislation. So, you know, is that bad? I think it's bad. but you know, it's legal right now. Yeah. So we, a quick story about Oklahoma. Yeah, please, man. Let's hear it. So in Oklahoma, we, we kind of won the day here. I mean, it's the first time it's ever happened, been, you know,

like, you know, idiot led because I led it, you know, but we the people that say led where we've really kind of won the day and, you know, we've gotten what we want. So it's never really happened that way. Any other state, it's never, nothing like this has ever even happened in Oklahoma before, which is kind of cool. So we have this groundswell that caused change, right? So we could do this through initiative petition. We kind of work around our legislature with petition. So we did that. We got what we wanted, this open market thing. Well, right off the bat, the powers that be, let's say, tried to wreck it by going the opposite way. Oh, let's just do nothing. So I put the regulation of marijuana at the Oklahoma State Department of Health.

Oklahoma State Department of Health issues licenses for all manner of health things. So if you want to, let's say you wanted to become a tattoo artist and have a tattoo parlor, health would come out and inspect your parlor. They'd interview you in the presence of your parlor. And then they, you know, based on that interview and everything, they afterwards, they grant you your license. Same with, let's say, home care administration, same with hair cutting. every single license that they issue required an inspection, an interview, and then a letting of the license, except marijuana.

They decided to just do that with nothing. Oh, let it get out of control. Yeah. So again, they let it get out of control. But that's not really the story that I wanted to say. And we got it back under control. Oh, you know, so it's under control now. But it wasn't the fault of the people that did the law why Oklahoma got out of control.

it was the fault of the people that were tasked to regulate the law that didn't do a good job. But all that to say this. So we knew we made some mistakes initially in the law. And we also knew, and this was 2021. We also knew that we wanted to ask the adult use question because we had a program for three years. We had a lot of commercial industry really asking us, you need to ask the adult use question. Now it's time now. It's time now.

So we had a lot of pressure, let's say, from commercial industry. to do that. But they're not the people who made it happen here in Oklahoma. You know, preacher Joe, teacher, Betty, or the people that made it happen here in Oklahoma. So we redo the initiative petition. So I rewrite SQ788, which is our overriding law with a lot of help. We go around to all state agencies. Gosh, we ran over you the first time. Sorry about that. You know, what do you want to see in a reform marijuana law. What do you need? We went around to all stakeholders, even we went to the Oklahoma State Medical Association, which is an interesting thing. But we asked for input from all stakeholders in this new, so we wrote this thing. It was great. It was ready to go. We wrote the

adult use on top of it. Adult use would have not wrecked the medical program here in Oklahoma is simply a driver's license versus your medical card when you check out and you got a higher tax rate. So that was all it was here in Oklahoma. So cool stuff. So we introduce these in Oklahoma. If you're going to do an initiative petition, you have to file them with the Oklahoma State Supreme Court. So we file in fall of 2021, all of our stuff. We get a call after we filed from, I won't name the organization, but let's say a left-leaning organization that's very well-known here in the United States of America. I will name them, American Civil Liberties Union.

So ACLU calls us and says, hey, guys, we want to do a recreational petition in Oklahoma. We're like, why would the ACLU want to do a, oh, yeah. In 2022, we have a governor's race. So I understand now why you want to do that. So, okay, well, you know, that might serve both our purposes. Yeah. About that, right? So we can have a discussion about it.

Well, we've got an adult use. It's already out there. In fact, it's filed with the Supreme Court. Why don't you guys just join our effort here and up? I'm going to be great. We'd love to have you. Take your check. You know, whatever you want to do to help.

They're like, nah, we don't, you know, we got. Berkeley on the phone here, some PhD from Berkeley. They think your adult use is crap. We're going to write our own and we're going to just run over you. We're going to do it in Oklahoma anyway. You can join us or not. This is sort of the other. We're like, oh, ha, good luck with that. But interestingly, they file in early 2022. We filed again three months before they did. they get released by the Oklahoma State Supreme Court before we do. So they're in the field before we are with a petition about reforming marijuana before we are. So we get lost.

We pulled our petitions. There's no way we're going to compete with their jillion million dollar money truck, which they ran over. So they quickly got their signatures. Again, they're driving to get on the ballot in November. Well, we made sure they didn't get on the ballot in November.

And again, there's ways that we did that. But we made sure they didn't make the ballot in November. They ran over us with their money truck. We'll make sure you don't make the ballot November. So they had no influence on our November election. Our governor decided to put them naked on the ballot, only question on the ballot in March of 2023. So, okay?

So March of 2023, the adult use, and this was an out-of-state written question, did not respect our program at all. And believe me, we spent a lot of time telling people that, all right. So this was naked on the ballot in March of 2023. I pulled adult use in Oklahoma since 2014. So it always polls at 45%. 45%, 45%.

So these guys could have made it happen if they could have gotten 5% through advertising or whatever. But they didn't realize, I guess, that they needed to, work with us and that they weren't going to do this here in Oklahoma. So again, preacher Joe and school teacher Betty and, you know, a lot of people around Oklahoma say got personal phone calls that this would not be the right thing to do. That got 38% at the ballot box and it didn't pass one Oklahoma County, which, you know, we have major cities in Oklahoma and it should have easily passed the two counties with our major cities and it didn't. It didn't pass any. It didn't pass any. County in Oklahoma. So it just, it illustrates that people are kind of awake, certainly in Oklahoma

they are, but they're awake about this. They're discerning. You know, they're sort of, they're, they're not just taking the queue right off. They're kind of doing the work. You know, they're exercising your freedom, as you and I talked about. And they are discerning through the, this difference, you know, they're not biting right off at adult use. They're thinking about it and making a proper decision, which is awesome. And it's the first time marijuana stood naked on a bell. And sadly, you know, it got trashed on the ballot. 62% no. But it's interesting.

You know, it's just interesting. It is interesting. And I'm grateful that you and the community there were able to do that. I think it speaks to the idea of on some level, you know, if I take it back to a higher power, it's almost like these plant medicines don't want to be bastardized. They don't want to be used. And the people are rallying around it, not letting it, you know, whether it's cannabis, like a large, you know, there was a time when if you started a cannabis company or a psilocybin company, oh man, you're going to make millions of dollars. But everybody who's trying to really go that way, at least in like the psilocybin industry, finds themselves at the, you know, at the sharp end of the stick.

You know, it doesn't like, there is some sort of natural block against it being bastardized in a way that is strictly for profit. I love that. And it sounds to me like your community did an amazing job at outreach and defeating something that wasn't in the interest of the people. And you should be, do you go and talk to other individuals and communities that are setting up their laws in their state? It actually interesting you say that. So we're looking at a kind of a conference structure.

Nice. It would be a medical marijuana conference that we'd bring to other countries, but that would interface with the government when we brought, let's say brought it to a country. and Thailand is the first one that we're looking at. And Thailand is a lot like Oklahoma. So Thailand was very, let's say, generous in how they rolled out their medical marijuana program.

And you've got a lot of greedy people that have taken advantage of that. And really kind of, it's somewhat out of control. But like bringing to Thailand to their government, a group of, let's say, regulators and people that have had that same situation and got it under control for lessons learned. and advice we think is going to be a huge thing. And then compare and contrast that to a country like Japan, which we may also be bringing a

medical conference to, Japan is still closed. If I get, you know, let's say caught with, you know, THC, marijuana in Japan, it's, you know, seven-year prison sentence. So that's a different conference. So that conference is very gentle, you know, with the government. That conference is talking to the government about how we set up, you know, your regulatory. you know, here's some lessons learned from the United States. We got 44 horrible examples of how to do it wrong.

You know, some of us have learned how to do it right. So, you know, we can bring all those lessons learned. We can save you so much time and money and expense and, you know, headache and heartache. So it feels like we're kind of beginning to, you know, promote, let's say the wind is blowing where some of this can get out to the world. the United States is, you know, Schedule 3, I think is going to be the big driver in the United States and sort of changing things. And, you know, it'll bring in pharma, which is scary. But at the same time, you know, someone like me, I can't get very far without money, right?

So I need and, you know, and at the same time, I realize in the conversations that we're having that money shouldn't be the thing, right? in a perfect world, I tell you what I need. You give it to me. And I sort of produce, you know, what I say I'm going to produce. But our world doesn't work that way right now. So I'm very limited. And, you know, I can get pretty far in theory. I want to get pretty far in practice.

And I can't, you know, because of sort of resource, let's say, constraints. And it doesn't really have to be money. It could be lab. You know, somebody could walk in and give me a lab. I'd be great. I could rock and roll. But a lot of us, let's say, that are trying to, drive these changes are just waiting. You know, we're waiting for our pharma partner,

we're waiting for our resources, we're waiting for the lid to come off this, where we can really go. And, you know, we'll change the world when that happens. Yeah. It's such a wonderful time to see new ideas being born and possibilities being born. And I think it's inspirational. Thanks for doing it. I think it's a cool thing. yeah thank you thank thank you for doing what you're doing it it you know it takes all you know i have things to communicate but i need a platform to communicate them on right so it's without without all of us it's not going to work and that's what we'll realize at some point that you know we all have to come together to form a liver you know right now we're just individual cells are

screaming in the dark but if we can all come together and say well let's form a liver you know now we're collective. Now we can do some things, right? So now we can, you know, metabolize fats. So this isn't, do you think that maybe, like the people, there's clearly people that would like to bring the world together and maybe the way they're doing it? Do you think that it's the road and the road to help pay with good intentions? Are the people at the top saying, look, we all have to work together and we're going to force you to work together? You know what I mean? Like, is that with some of the banal, like the evilness is that we see is people that are like, we're going to have to force these people to do it.

It isn't like, on some level I try to like give them the benefit of the doubt, even though I'm horrified by the way in which they try to just force people into these positions that they're not. Like they're regardless of it, the individual is it's trying to force this thing to come together. Yeah. My observation is we kind of live in this inverted pyramid, right? So the more evil would be one way to say it.

I would, you know, service self-service others kind of the way I look at it. you know, the more service to self you are, the higher you rise in the system, right? So if you're a good person, you're just going to, as soon as you get into any kind of structure, you're going to have all these evil people just take advantage of you for your naive you to tell. You're just going to eat you up. And, you know, I'm afflicted in that way. That happens to me all the time. Right. Right. But I do think that this is, it's changing right now. So what is an impetus of change? Um, well, now it's a deemps. deep rabbit hole. So I think there's many of us and I would put myself in that camp. So let's say

the Q movement is an interesting thing. So we've all been told about the Q movement and that's a conspiracy to take down mainstream media and we're all about, you know, we think everybody's a child trafficker, right? So there's been, you know, satanic, you know, child trafficker, right? So that's kind of been the casting of that movement. Well, again, I'm, let's say, I'm very familiar with that movement. I've been part of Anonymous for a long time. And let's say Anonymous got interested in that movement. And a lot of people got involved in that movement.

And I know a lot of those people. And I'll leave it there, let's just say. But that movement, so if you look at kind of what the Q movement is doing, so you had basically a free speech board where this person named Q dumped information and over, you know, 4,000 or so drops of information. But so what is that all about, you know, and what does that mean? Well, again, the information is, you know, sort of, let's say, discussion material about what we've been talking about all throughout this podcast. So it's just lots of pointers and information and stuff. But the people that are

very close to that have come to understand that that's an operation. And that offer, the purpose of that operation is to bring awareness to and it doesn't really matter what it is to illustrate to the common man how out of balance and out of whack things are and to make people glow so in the very way that we were talking about you know gosh you know what are the motives of some of these pharmaceutical companies they certainly don't seem to be helping us well as soon as you realize that they glow whatever that company is that you're thinking of they're now glowing they're now something that's on your radar that's not a good thing that's out of whack that's non-linear and you know a lot of people are glowing right now right so we're seeing a lot of the rot in our government the rot in our you know local

law enforcement you know so through child trafficking through all kinds of stuff we're seeing this rot so the purpose of the op is to create situations and they call them games counter counter and games to create games to where these people have to out themselves. So I'm going to create a situation where Governor Joe, if you're a bad guy, you're going to have to show yourself and you're going to have to show yourself to people that you're a bad person. So, you know, there's, I don't know, 250,000 sealed indictments right now in the United States court system. You know, there's never been anything like that in history. So that has to, you know, something. So I always say, you know, getting these people to glow is the hard part. Mopping them up

is easy. You know, it's getting them to glow that's hard, right? So I do think that we'll see a mop up soon. I see that, I think that that won't be a United States. That would be a world. It's already happening. It's already, if you are, let's say, if you really know the details of everything that's going on, there's absolutely very hard signs that, you know, this is happening now. Like, you know, Black Rock. So, you know, Black Rock likely went bankrupt a couple of years ago. You know, bankrupt, BlackRock is not behaving in any rational, in what rational manner do you force Bud Light to eviscerate themselves with a transgendered advertising campaign?

You know, and that, believe me, that guy was the guy who, you know, came up with that, the CEO of Bud White, right? So that came from up above, let's say. So you're already seeing, you know, some of this begin to manifest. But, you know, politically, things have to be right. They're not right right now, but hopefully they will be right soon. You know, you've got to see kind of the world align. I am as kind of un-American as this sounds. And I'm as red, white, and blue is the next guy, believe me. But I don't, I don't really think Russia is a bad guy. I don't necessarily trust Russia.

But if you look at the, if, you know, if China started putting bio labs in Mexico on our border. Well, of course we'd smack them. I think we'd go smack them. Yeah. Yeah. I heard some. Sorry. Oh, no.

We've, we've gone far. Yeah. It's interesting. One of the guys I like to listen to sometimes is this guy, Matthew Eric, and he breaks down the world in a fashion that is oligarchs versus governments. And he paints some pretty interesting pictures about how you can have a couple different systems that are emerging. And one is like the system of the oligarchs and one of is more of a governmental system. And if you look at Russia as sort of a government system that relies on the idea of sovereignty, like that is a system that a lot of other people don't want to have.

And I'm curious, like, I can see both those sides, you know? And I guess my question is, do they lead to the same thing? You know what I mean? Is it the level of corruption or do you get any take on that? It's a sovereignty is a powerful word. And anybody listening to this, claim your sovereignty. And what I mean by that is claim your capital S godhood, your sovereignty as a being, your incorruptibility, you know, just claim that.

But, you know, again, in the same way that two of us would form a collective, a country is a collective. And if a country is not sovereign, then it's a slave. It's just that simple. I mean, if you're not a sovereign country, then you're led around by something else, not your sovereignty. So a country has to be based on its sovereignty. Russia is, Russia still holds its indigenousness. And I think that's very threatening to these people that want to divide us, right? So I can enslave you if you're an indigenous people.

It's really hard to do. I can enslave you if I, you know, dishome you. If I disgorge you, if I move you from Russia to, you know, Mexico, well, now I can enslave you. And, you know, that's what's been, that's happened around the world, you know, so many times it's just incalculable. And if you look at the, you know, hidden hand behind all of that, it's always the same people.

So, but Russia is something that, Russia is just an interesting place. in history and it's kind of you know it's maintained a lot of its uh culture and indigenousness you know through christianity even so you know the greek orthodox church is russian orthodox church is different you know than the western church let's say so anyway they're interesting but if i'm a bad guy you know and i'm kind of a european bad guy it they they must be toppled they cannot stand the way that they are and you see that attitude just everywhere even even when its folly, you know, it's just this hatred of Russia just permeates our military and, you know, government, you know, British government, UK, EU. And why, you know, it's there an imperial

block. They're a sovereign nation that stands in my, you know, imperial quest. You know, so Ukraine's a good way to take them out. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I, I, um, it blows my mind to think about the, battle of supply chains and stuff like that. It's such an amazing time to be alive because we're right in the middle of it, right? Like we are right in the middle of on the cusp of what is possible for the future generations. Like maybe people have always felt that way, but it seems so close to me. Maybe it's because it's my age or my faith and something, you know. I think we live in the greatest time to be alive.

I think we live in a better time than the time of Christ or, you know, pick your time the American West or we live in the greatest time it's hard and it we every single one of us is fighting the war between the years right now and you know we all are and you know we're all trying to support each other through that um it's just it's interesting though and i think you know i believe i got knowledge from god really you know about the endoccanabinoid system and i'm open to that and i I continue to kind of be, let's say, lead in my research and kind of what I'm looking at. And I look at all different manner of stuff, but it, you know, human function. But I believe I'm led.

And I just, you know, it's, it's, I don't believe that God would have led me to the knowledge that I have without that culminating, you know, in some way. And I think there's a lot of people out there like me, you know, so. And, you know, you know, you're likely like me down your lane, right? So you probably feel led and have knowledge. and, you know, feel like you're doing exactly what God wants you to do right now. So the more of us that get together, the more of us that have these conversations, you know, the more that we'll change it.

But we, you know, you can't wait for someone else to do it. That's right. We have to change the world. We have to break this system. We have to rebuild these institutions. Yeah. I love it. I think every one of us becoming the best versions of ourselves is the answer.

We find each other. and we get stronger and stronger to build a better way through it. So, man, this is so much fun. I apologize if I took you down some places you didn't want to go, but I really enjoyed the conversation. I think it's fun and I think it's necessary. No, it's great, man. And, you know, I'm an open book.

I really am. It's, I don't really talk about the, let's say, the truth stuff much that I do. But I, that's important. And, you know, I'm very proud of the work that all of us have done there and the change that we've been able to make. Yeah. And I think it goes hat in hand with the different sort of natural medicine that's out there. I hope the natural medicine helps you see things more naturally.

So I think it's necessary, man. I'm so stoked we got to talk about today. Hang on briefly afterwards because I still want to talk to you this for a short moment. But to everybody out there who participated, Mark, Clint, Adam, Griggs, thank you guys so much for hanging out with us today. Go down to the show notes. Check out, ship. Reach out to him. He's got some fascinating ideas.

And he's the architect for building a system that is doing. doing fantastic in Oklahoma. He's got some great ideas and he's a splendid human being. So that's all we got for today, ladies and gentlemen. I hope we have a beautiful day.