TrueLife - Doma Nunzio - Founder MagicMyco, MycoCoil, & The Cultivar Cup

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

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Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Hears through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to this Sunday edition of the True Life podcast. We got the one and only, Doma Nunesio A incredible individual

He's the Chief Science Officer At Introspective Arts A luminary in the world of mycology A trailblazer Whose journey is as fascinating As it is inspiring

He's got a lot of stuff going on From the Cultivore Cup To a new bookout To a magic Mycology game And we're going to get into it all Man I'm super stoked you're here

Doma how's it going man George, it's so nice to see you, man. I missed you. Yeah, man. It's been a while, man. It's been a little while. We've both been busy, but I'm following you. I think you're following me.

You turn me on to a couple of great projects. Very, very grateful for those. Thank you. Yeah, man. Yeah, what, so you had a book come out, man. I think you're part of that Rattled A Wake series, international bestseller, right? Rattled Awake.

Yeah, it was a great experience. I really enjoyed going on there. The editor, publisher, Lonnie Ray. Shout out. She's great. She's amazing, her energy and just the enthusiasm that she brought to the team. It's like a weekend workshop. So writers basically get together.

You know the deal. But for other people, you get together on the weekend. And Lonnie helps us bang out a story in like two or three days, helps us edit it. And, yeah, we got it out for Thanksgiving. It was Black Friday release, and I think that helped it do really well. And it was great. It was a great experience for me to kind of process all those emotions again, kind of relive my story.

And I kind of put a little twist on it by also making it a letter to my daughter. So, you know, it was maybe there was some things that I left out that maybe I would like to do another chapter. We might do another one in the future. so we'll see. Possibly even talking about doing a whole book, so we'll see. Yeah, man. I can totally see that. I would read that book.

It's so interesting to see how things kind of work out, man. In some ways, it's kind of like a psychedelic tripping itself, man. Like you're not quite sure where it's going to end up, man. You've got to hold on sometimes. Just got to enjoy the journey and learn as you go. Yeah, man. Speaking of learning in the journey, man. What's up with the recent cultivar, man?

That's a prece... Yeah, what's going on? Coulter's cup is going good. I think since the last time I talked to you, we had only done a couple. Now, I think we had done four or five, you know, summer and wintertime. But I test every month. It's basically just a way for the guys to get together and have fun. It's really all about the data and the research and the experiment.

and the tests that we're doing. But it makes it fun. It makes it so the guys can win prizes. We had like 20 great sponsors, which you won't want to. Thank you very much. And it helped, you know, put money in the pot. So people actually won cash. They won prizes from the sponsors from their stock of whatever they sold

or services they provided. And it was really, really great. I think the people had a lot of fun. And they got a lot of great prizes in cash. and even the main winner, I think, got a trip to Jamaica. Man, that's amazing. And, you know, we had, like, the same kind of turnout as the one prior. But, you know, it's really just about us getting together and having fun.

And because we do it every single month, like I said. And by now we have, like, hundreds and hundreds of samples in my ELN. I'm sorry that I'm kind of working a little bit in the background. Today is Super Bowl Sunday, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Happy Super Bowl Sunday. Sunday. I don't know much about football, but I'll probably check out the game later. And I'm just in here working on new projects for the team to send out to the team.

You know, we all kind of study the genetics and we all have our own slightly different ways we grow things. We talk about it on the Discord server. We help each other out. And then we tell, hopefully they send it in and then we test it so we could track the whole thing from sport to testing. And we was speaking about the book and the testing. So this reminds me of another data collection that we're doing is this fungi tech trip reports. It's like experience reports. So it's an app that we made. So we have two apps, one where you could submit samples and another one where you could submit your trip report. It asks you about 40 questions. It's completely

anonymous. It doesn't log IP addresses. It's encrypted on our end. If you want, you can leave your email address. Excuse me. And that'll enable me to send you like notifications and updates and stuff like that. But it's just like a short questionnaire, 40 questions. Maybe not that short. But it's a lot of, it's detail. It gets into detail about your experience, the different medications that you're on, stuff like that. And then there's a section where you can write a 1,500 word story.

So my idea, after now doing this thing with Lonnie, and I read your story, by the way, very good. I was thinking, you know, how great would it be, yeah, to like make reports quarterly. We're going to come out with reports every year and, like, show graphics with nice tables and graphs and stuff like that with all the data. Hopefully be able to link some of that up with the testing data also so we could start to correlate the data from the test to the actual experience that was felt and submit this trip report. so we can make all these cool reports, but I'm thinking we're also going to be collecting all these really great cool stories. Maybe we can make a future Rattleawake book about it one day

or another book. We can make multiple publications. I could see people tapping into this data for years to come, not just all groups, but other groups. Speaking of which the groups are really starting to work together and collaborate now, starting to be a little bit more open and sharing with some of their projects and data that they have going on.

But granted, not too many people do the kind of testing than I do. But I think even more, even all more important why we should work together and kind of share our processes. There's one new company we're working with some of the labs and myself, the psychedelic standards organization, just like kind of doing, it's totally free, just kind of doing like interlab comparisons and sharing our data and seeing the differences and stuff like that, which gives us a lot of clues and stuff on how to updates our methods and stuff like that. And they've come a long way. Even just this past month, I made five new methods.

We calibrated. Got like 30 points on the calibration table. I'm at a point now where I don't know. Last time we spoke, I might have mentioned I was trying to get certified or maybe I was thinking about a chance. But I'm still kind of chasing that goal. And so part of that is like money and passing people. proficiency tests and just getting everything up to like spec, up to code, so that then I could apply and, you know, then we'll get certified. So hopefully this year, hopefully, hopefully I pray,

I pray. I would be very thankful if that went through this year. You know, it's going to take a lot, but if it did, then we can really expand into some further testing down the road. So going like a year or two down the road, we could be doing stuff with, with gas chromatography, so we could look at more like toxins and pesticides and terpenes and stuff like that. But yeah, we're working with a bunch of different people in the community, different labs and cultivators, extractors, people trying to set up like controlled studies. So sending in random samples is great. The cultivar cup is great.

Everybody stands in a sample. We see which one is highest, also cleanest. We test for a basic toxicity test that we can do is. yeast and mold analysis. So we do that for the cup. That's like throws a little twist in there. So not only does it have to be highest, but cleanest with the least surface contaminations,

but in the future we'll be able to do even more. So I'm really looking forward to some of that stuff. So like I said, the cultivar cup is fun. We send in one sample, but to set up controlled studies, I think is even more valuable because then you have something to compare it to basically. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, I think there's a lot on the horizon there.

You know, I'm curious. I was speaking to a gentleman the other day, and we were talking about cannabis and outdoor growth versus indoor growth. I know still the cybin and mushrooms were a little bit different, but have you noticed like a problem with heavy metals in mushrooms that are growing outdoors? No, and I haven't really been able to test for that because I don't have that kind of gear and stuff like that. But I can't say I have, no, I can't say that I've eaten many outdoor mushrooms. As far as like foraging, you just find one in the wild and take it home and eat it.

That's actually, I don't think ever, I don't think I've ever done. I don't know. I have either. But I have grown outside my own stuff. So it's still outside and in the woods, but it's in a controlled area where I dug it out and put chicken wire and all that kind of stuff. And I could tell you, although I didn't have the testing gear at the time to really be able to see what alkaloids were in it, as far as the experience and the feelings, like the indoor ones are always really clean. Like I developed the relationship with the fungi over the course of the whole thing, and I'm there, I'm watching it. I know every nutrient.

I'm looking to see if the high fade hair is standing up, if it's too cold, if it's too hot. Do you feel good today, baby? You know, you're okay. But when it's in the wild, it's kind of out there. And it's just in the elements and it has to deal with all the rain and all the leads and wildlife and that stuff. And then you go back a while later and you just harvest it and bring it home. And I could tell you that I always bring those home and clean them. I always wash them off because they often have dirt and bugs and crap on it.

But I could tell you, eating those, there's definitely a different feel. Like it had like a forest kind of spiritual kind of feel like it had like another entity in it somehow. whereas the indoor one was mostly like just me and me, like me about me. It was like relationship with me. But outside it was like I felt all the animals and I felt the trees and I felt the wind blowing through the leaves. And, you know, I don't know if that's something with the psyche, just knowing that it was from outdoor. But in the future we'll be able to do more tests, controlled studies like I'm saying, instead of just random testing. And be able to notice some of those trends.

Haven't noticed many so far without. Yeah, you know what? I think it's fascinating to, and I want to check out the whole, the piece you have with the trip report included in there. I think there's going to be some incredible information that comes out of that. Once you start cataloging particular, you know, species and then particular strains and then particular trip reports, I think you're going to find a lot of interesting correlations in there. Yes, and it's completely free and anonymous.

Is it okay if I throw out the link? Yeah, man, please. Yeah, so you just, you could go to, I mean, it's at so many places, you could go to magicmiko.org and look for the, it's called the fungi tech experience report app. You could also just go to fungi.com. You could go to the magic micro.com site. It's on the ELN, which is everybody should know what the Magic Micro ELN is. That's our electronic lab notebook. Don't think I had that last time we talked.

Yeah, I don't think so. I might have been just setting it up because that was part of the, you know, the procedure of wanting to get certified. This is like one of the things. You have to have a lab management system, which is the ELN is part of. So I opted to share mine, like make it open source. We also have a private area because some people want to do private testing. Maybe they're doing a lot of tests and they don't want to show them all.

They just want to do a study or something like that and they just want to see what it is before they release the data. So I can make a private area. The ELN, it comes with a folder, you get your QR code that you can put on your your products. I include the chem station reports which tells a story of how the technician did the analysis and then I make you a COA either a one page one or a longer one. Yeah so we have a private and a public section so everybody should know what the ELN is because not only the monthly reports but also all the experiments we're doing. I'm doing I'm working with

a couple companies here. I know I'm talking a lot of tech stuff but some people really did this Yeah. I'm working with a couple of tech companies. One's called Iroodeo. Shout out to them. Another one is called the Neo Spectra device. I think it's the Valenzuela company in Spain has this company called the Neo Spectre. Now those devices are spectro photometers.

One is a color meter that works in the visible spectrum, and the other is a Neo-Inferred spectroscopy device. And my HPLC and all my gear here is all UV ultraviolet. So we can really look at like the entire spectrum. Like, you know, humans can only see like a small part of the visible spectrum, just like sound, right? Like there's sounds below and above. There's light waves below and above what we can actually see. So like astronomers use special cameras like x-ray cameras or ultralight cameras or infrared cameras

to pick up the little faint things in space that we can't see with our eyes at all, we would never be able to see it. Like when they're looking at the black hole or the center of the galaxy and stuff like that, there's so much dust that we would never be able to see something like that. The only reason why we have pictures is because of x-rays and because of the equipment that is sensitive enough to pick up in these areas that we can't see. So that was a long story to tell you that we have these couple other devices here now that I can calibrate based on my HPLC test. So every test that I do, I'm also running it on the I.O. Rodeo, I'm also running it on the Neo Spectra.

And we're making models for these devices. And some of them are already on the ELN. You could download calibration files for the I.O. Rodeo, which is a $200 pocket spectrometer. You buy some silo-Q tests by Miraculux. And then instead of eyeballing it, you just put it in the machine and it gives you a real, analytical result based on all of our HPLC analysis. And similarly with the other device, the Neo Spectre, we're doing that now. It's a beta model, but as soon as I send this one back and we have the next meeting, we're going to have the official first model. It's like, I don't

know how much it costs. It's a few grand for the device, but it's a non-destructive process, and they already have models for cannabis. So the ones that we're doing are for magic mushrooms. And basically, I have the device right here, actually. Yeah, check it out. You just basically, you take the device and you calibrate it. It comes with a little calibration tile. And then it comes with these like small miniature petri dishes. You just put your material into the small little petri dish, put it on top of this device here.

And it basically just shoots a laser at it, a near infrared laser. It takes a couple minutes. It scans. It runs. You use an app on your phone. And then it comes back with all. the data like for cannabis it even not only does it read all the cannabinoids but it also reads terpenes which is something that you can't do just on HPLC you need two different machines to do that

you need gas and liquid so this takes that out you only need one machine is it as good as hplc no a matter of fact you need HPLC in order to be able to even calibrate the thing but but based on us doing that we're going to have these devices that you can have in your lab you could test as many samples as you want. You could test every fruit in every tote and then eat it after you test it if you want because it's non-destructive. So that's the beauty of that device, even though it's a little bit more money. It's a little bit the devices. Let me show you the I.O. Rodeo. Yeah, please. Let's check it out. The Io rodeo here. Can I turn my camera around? Is that possible? No, maybe not. But so this is the I.O. Rodeo, and it's very small. And it takes quivettes. So you put cuvettes. inside that little hole there. Right? So you take your silo-cute tests and you split them up. And then you do the test and then you use these microcubets and you just put it in there.

But you know that's a destructive process. It uses solvents. You got to use one for your blank. So you get to split it into three, but you got to use one for your blank. So you really only get two. But still that's another cheap way because the test is like 15 bucks and the device is 200. So we're doing experiments like doing collaborations and calibrations with groups like that which I'm very excited about. So I'm glad that we're all starting to work together

and do some of this stuff because I think it's really important. I think it's really important for the community for other labs, for people who just, they just want to know how to dose. You know, they want to know how much to take and, you know, make sure they don't under or overdo it. people want to go on micro dose regimens. I'm really excited for the future of the magic fungi and all the new legislations that are going out and some of the products and stuff that people are making an anticipation for the thing. Yeah, I do too. I think we're really on the, but to turn some corners here when it comes to, you know, getting it out into the mainstream and people finding uses for it that on some level are able to, you know, move power.

some of the pharmaceutical pills that are out there and whatnot. You know, it's interesting, too. You know, it wasn't too long ago that in cannabis, we kind of used or bought cannabis based on folk names, you know, like White Widow or, you know. Yeah. And now we have like, now you can see the turp profile, and you can see all these other attributes

that will help you thoroughly understand, oh, this one is probably a better profile for me. Do you think that that's where we're headed with magic mushrooms is being able to see, you know, the different ingredients in there that would help out with maybe different disorders and stuff like that. Do you see that kind of going down the same path as cannabis? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Labels on the bottle saying, you know, which alkaloids are in it.

Alcoholids in different combinations will have different effects or entourage or, you know, ambient effect based on based on the profile of each mushroom. Some of the profiles are very different. Granted, Cubensis is similar mostly for all. of them like you'll see like you know a high psilocybin peak or a high psilocin peak which are that we consider the major alkaloids but some of these other exotics and some of the cubensis especially some of the indoor domesticated ones that were breeding to be really strong some of the ones that mutate they're doing odd things and making a lot of minor alkaloids

we're going to get into a new test we're working on for beta glucans and polysaccharids so we'll be able to look for those, which is good for not only magic fungi, but functional mushrooms. A lot of people are interested in lions, Maine, and cordyceps and Rishi. So those three mainly, yeah. When you look at some of the tests, you know, I know that like the,

I think it's the Stamens Protocol calls for Lion, Maine, psilocybin, and these different ones together. When you do the test, are you able to put those profiles together and see how they kind of interact with other I mean we could see that you know we could measure potency and the always to see the amounts in each one right like so and I even have a method for Lions main which almost nobody has because there's no standards available for it and we were able to work with Hamilton mushroom extracts with their

quality control extract that they get made in China and so based on lab reports from China and his his blends. We were able to use as a quality control sample so at least we could get an idea and I believe like the Lions Main had eroneocenes or heronerosones at around 2%. The Cordycep 1 was at around 1% quarter Sep 1%. We have Corticep standards so we didn't need that one. But for Lions Main, you know we don't have a 99% pure standard available to us and the ones that I got quoted with like thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars so forget that um so quality control sample we have we have this product here that's made consistently with 2% of this and that

and we it says it on the label we could at least make a method based off that and compare other samples against it and it it still works okay so that's kind of cool so yes we could look at the amounts and we could look at the experiences based off the reports um if some people want to to fill out these reports, you know, they don't necessarily how to have a test or anything like that. They could just, even if they had some other mushroom, you know, nobody ever heard of, they could go in from 10 years ago or something, some trip that they had and they want to write about it.

Go in there and write about it. Maybe it'll help somebody just listening to your story or things that you went through, including bad trips and stuff like that. I hope that people really put into it, you know, truthfully. We're going to make some really great reports off that. I'm excited. Yeah, I can't wait to read them. I think it's a crucial part of understanding.

It would be like rattled awake because all these people have come to it with some kind of, like they're looking for something and they find a mushroom or they're trying to heal themselves or they're looking for something or they're trying to figure something out. And we all kind of come to this space and we all have a story. we all have an amazing story yeah it's true and I think that there would be a lot of through lines a lot of similarities and people's stories moving through that you know it's like a tapestry you have one thread and then another thread

and then all of a sudden you got this beautiful piece man I think that's a huge part of it it's great I love thinking about it like that like the hive you know it's like the hive mind it's like you're connected too in like so many ways like sometimes I got to get off the phone because I'm on the social media too much and I still feel connected to you guys. It's like we're working all day.

We're working our answers off to push this moving forward. Yeah. Go ahead. I cut you off. No, it's all good. I'm just taking the same thing. I'm excited to talk to you. We haven't talked in so long.

I know, man. There's a lot of stuff going on. I heard California, too, is potentially going to move the way of legalization and stuff like that, maybe this year. And every state that starts to, to. get on the bandwagon, it's almost like the mycelium growing. You know what I mean? When you start looking at all these states,

like the fruit's starting to pop up over here, kind of pop up over here. Psychedelic build track. I think it's psychedelicbilltrakker.com. Go to that, go to everybody, go to that website, especially people who are like me,

who are doing this stuff like me, cultivators, testers. Go to psychedelic.com. Psychedelicbilletracker. com. And there's a map of the United States click on your state, read about what kind of legislation and bills is involved in your state, which ones have gone on, which ones have failed, what are the current ones, what are the old ones,

find out the assembly people or whoever is in charge of that bill, and write them a letter. Write them a letter, you know, it could just be as simple as I believe in this stuff, pass it. It could be like, I want to help, what can I do? you know, you know, I even have a letter I could show people as a template if they wanted to, but I'm in this profession. So I made it like I'm doing this stuff professionally. I believe this stuff should be legalized. New York needs it so I could do the testing and everything.

And I wrote all my assembly people. That was a while back, like the last time I talked to you and I never heard back. And I went on there recently to find out that that bill was wiped out. Now they got a new bill. So you got to write them again and write for the new bill. and put the new bill numbers on there and keep doing it and they see how many people are really into this and they'll see that it really matters. Yeah, and it does matter, right?

I was speaking with Moksha Journeys, who's over there in Oregon and Colorado, and they just had one of their first cohorts come through for addiction recovery using psilocybin as the method to, as the aging of change in there. And within their first week, they had that. the people's addiction profile go from 10 to 1. You know, some of these people have been alcoholics for like a long time. And it's just, it's amazing to think that, you know, with this new era and this new potential for therapy, there's a real possibility that we start seeing addiction in a whole other

way, man, start treating it in a whole other way. Man, I wish this stuff was around 20 years ago. They were doing this. You know, I'm still having a hard time. I might have mentioned last time that I was like trying to get. off Suboxin. You know, me and you text, I, you know, we haven't, we haven't totally been silent. We, we text each other here and there. We're both been busy, but, you know, we're friends and we keep up a little bit and I tell you what's going on with me and stuff. And I had a really

hard time. Like I was trying to get off it and I got all the way down and I couldn't get off. I was trying different things. I was trying to crad them. I was trying to microdose thing. And I'm still, I'm still taking like a milligram or two a day, but it's way better than where I was. I think last time we talked, I was at eight milligrams. Yeah. The year before that, I was at 16. You know, I keep going up and down and up and down, but now I'm just at like around one or two. I'm pretty good like that. Actually, this week is one of my microdosed weeks. When I, when I microdose, I like to do it for one week on and then for one week off. And I'll do that for a month or two and then I just totally take a break. But right now I'm on one of

my on weeks and I'm coming to the tail I think I'm on the sixth day now so I'm almost feeling done but when I started around Sunday or Monday I went running yeah and I and I was still vaping so I quit smoking cigarettes but I'm still vaping the nicotine right so I went running and it was a I felt great while I was running I ran I ran about four miles and I walked about another four maybe over the course of the whole trip there. And it felt great. But when I got back and the next day, I was hurting bad, man. My lungs, I couldn't breathe.

My ribs were hurting. My back was hurting. My legs were sore. So I said, this is it. I have to quit this vaping because it's going to kill me. And so I, and I was microdosing. This was like the first phase I was microdosing. And usually when I first thought of microdosing, I'm very sensitive because I haven't done

it in a while. So I take a quarter of a gram and that's a perfect microdose. But then as the days progress, I find myself taking more and more and more like now I'm up to three grams per day. That's my microdose. And I have total confidence. Like I could go online and go on camera with you and I'm okay. I'm all right. But before, you know, I'd be vaping like crazy. I'd be a nervous wreck. I'd have anxiety. I wouldn't want to do this. I probably my stomach would feel funny. I don't have any of that now. It's five or six days later. And yeah, you know, I feel like I need to maybe eat some fruit or maybe like drink a lot or something. But other than that, I feel great. Maybe a little dehydrated. That's about it. I got to drink something.

Yeah, absolutely. It's interesting. Like, do you think it's a, it's, when you, when you, specifically for microdosing or mushrooms and addiction, in your opinion, what does it do? Does it, is it like a, do you think that the psilocybin on some level helps with the physical part of the addiction, the mental part of the addiction, or both? Both, definitely the mental part. You see, I'm holding this tape right here. And that's because, well, I was working with it. But I have to hold something in my hand because I always have my vape in my hand, right? Oh, yeah.

So it's like, I find myself in, I used to sleep with it. I sleep with it like this on my chest. And I'm hitting it in the middle of the night. That's not good. You know, there's like little tiny particles in there. There's metal and shit in there. If you hit it after the juice runs out, forget about it. You're inhaling formaldehyde and shit.

So like I'm thinking about all these things. So I quit. It's been like five or six days. But still, I got some of the physical like during the day. I'm going like this. I'm going like this. Like hitting myself in the face. Like I'm supposed to be hitting the vaping.

And I'm like, shit, I quit. So, you know, I got. to do something else. So I got like the patches and I got the gum and I got a little piece of gum in my mouth over here. Yeah. And you know, I'm still doing the nicotine, but I'm not smoking. I'm trying to take care of my lungs. So, you know, and until I started the microdose a week ago, no matter what was happening in my life, I wasn't accepting that. And then like during the first two days, micro doses. And then it comes to me at certain times. Like, I'm alone a lot. So it could come to me at any time because I could pretty much get into that state any time. But for some reason, when I'm in the shower, like, I went home, I was alone. I was like, I worked all day. I was microdosing. I was tired from running.

And I took a hot shower, and it's like, that's when it hit me. It was like an epiphany from the celestial realm or something like that. It was like, you have to do this now. You can't wait another day. So I did. And it worked. And I'm still going through some of the physical things, but my mental is okay. You know, and I'm still going through it, which I'm still going through it,

the other thing, but it's like, you know, you just got to keep trying. You got to keep persisting and take care of yourself, especially as you get older. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, you know what, in my garden it, and I used to dip a lot. I used to smoke cigarettes when I was younger, and then I switched up to like a coping, not Copenhagen, but a Codiac. And then, you know, it was, it's hard to kick, man. But one thing I did is I started growing some tobacco in my garden out here because I have a little guard and like everything grows out here in Hawaii and then I would just take those leaves first I've got to be careful man because you have a bunch of tobacco plants and you walk around and it's like wet all those things rub on you man

you're gonna get all like you get like tobacco sickness on this this is great I love where you're going with this please keep going and uh so it was a work in progress because the first time I went out there and I just walked by the plants and like they rubbed on me I got like man like my head hurt I just sit down I was like what the hell and I should research I'm like, so yeah, be careful. Those plants rub on you when they're wet. But long story, longer, I was able to take like a couple leaves and just ball them up and kind of dip them. And like, yeah, it was really helpful.

What you did was you changed your relationship. You changed it from an addiction to a loving relationship. And this could go with anything. And I can't believe you said that because it's amazing because after I quit, right, I still do the nicotine. But I want to quit that too. I'm saying I know. what I'm going to do. I'm going to grow as tech tobacco. I'm going to grow nicotine or rustica because I got these seeds here. I'm going to start to develop my own relationship with nicotine

in a way I never have before. I'm not going to go to the store and pay 20 bucks for it. I'm not even going to like, you know, but you know, whatever, dip or cigarettes or anything like that. I'm going to grow my own and I'm going to use my own and then use that to taper off and use it as a sacrament. instead of a drug. Dude, that's exactly how it's going to fundamentally change your life. And we say that a lot. Like I said, oh, there's a new movie. Let me plug the movie real quick.

Yeah. My buddy Hamilton at Hamilton Mushroom Extracts, we filmed this movie two years ago, and it just came out now. The name, the direction is called Fox Real Films, like I think F-A-U-X-R-R-R-R-E-F-R-E-F-E-L-F-E-L films, and it's called Through a Blue Lens, Azurecense. You could just go on YouTube and type in Through a Blue Lens

or Through a Blue Lens Asuricence. It's made by Hamilton, mushroom extracts, For Real Films. And it's about a half hour, 35 minutes. Great movie about this area in the Pacific Northwest and about the Azorescence, how they got there. The other indigenous and invasive species that came about, how it happened. I'll give a little hint. Man was involved. But check it out. It's a great film.

I was in it. I was sitting right here in this spot. It just came out and we did it like two years ago. So it's pretty cool that it came out. And in that movie, and many times before, I have said, you have to develop your own relationship with the fungi. And what I meant by that was exactly that. what we just said like when you have a garden and you grow your own tomatoes you grow your own cucumbers they just they taste sweeter they taste healthier they almost taste like they're healing you as you eat it because you spent every minute with it you put all that time in it you watch the sun go into it you gave it all the water and everything so that's what i mean by develop your own relationship you start to watch the mycelium grow you start to know what it likes what it doesn't

like you start to become a better cultivator maybe you even start to get into breathing some of the strains to make your crops better, to get a more plentiful crop, or to get a stronger crop. And the next thing you know, you have a loving, sacred relationship with the fungi that could never really be abused, like today's drugs and street drugs and prescription drugs and the other addictions that we have been handed down. It hasn't even been our choice. It's just been handed down to us and given to us, and we've been told to believe that this is how it goes. science, real true science is made to be proven wrong. It's only right until it's wrong again. Today we're going to talk about this great new theory we have,

and it's only going to be great until it's proven wrong, and a new theory comes out. I mean, not to say that any of our work is bad or anything like that. I'm just saying that the science, to do good science, you have to be willing to put it out there, get critiqued, take some criticism, see what maybe you did wrong, fix it, come back better and it all the life could be that way you could think of all life that way about dealing with your traumas dealing with fear is a big one because just having we could talk about

like um um like archetypes and uh ancestral archetypes or astral archetypes or demons and stuff like this like um uh you know if you have the fear it's like an invitation for it to come to for it to keep consuming you, right? But it's like in that fear is when you can really find the good in there and come out of it and just blast it all away, blast the darkness all away with light. So learning how to deal with that fear and not be afraid and take it and turn it around and make it something beautiful. That's, you're going to learn all that when you develop a relationship with nature and mycelium and cannabis and any effigene that that has healing potential not only healing potential they used it for their clothes for their building materials i'm not talking about hemp i mean right they used it for their

clothes and rope people who grow your own you know when you harvest and you're taking the stalks down like sometimes you're pulling it and like a big rope comes off and you're like shit i can make a rope out of this shit you know yeah like you really can it's crazy it's like nature provides Yeah, it's interesting too. I was thinking about this idea the day that, and I don't know how you would test for this, or it's just a theory that, like, be it psilocybin or cannabis, whatever you grow in your community probably helps you better

because it's grown in the soil, and we're part of the soil, we're part of the earth, and we're part of our community. So I have this idea that whatever you grow in your immediate community is going to help you cure the ailments of what's going on in you in your community. You know, because you're connected. The same way the mycelium branches out and absorbs everything, the nutrients, the love, the hate, all the energy from the ground, that particular fruit or plant is set up to specifically help

individuals in that community. I'm not saying that something from another community couldn't help somebody else, but it seems like a particular fruit grown in a particular garden is customized for that individual in that particular area, man. What do you think about that? I think that's right on the head. And I mean, not taking anything away from like modern medicine or other people, you know, grows and stuff like that, like you said. Or like even modern medicine. There's things in medicine that if you were to show some ancient person, they would say that's straight up magic.

That's just a miracle. That's the stuff that we know. It's a miracle. some of it and some of it is life-saving when you really need it but we could you know we need that's like when we need it we go there and get that like when we really need it like when we're like so traumatized that we're like almost dying and stuff but like if we just kind of more regularly in our everyday lives kind of had this relationship and made our own medicine maybe you would never even need those other life-saving things because you would never get to that point

in the first place. I mean, naturally, that's not going to cover 100% of every ailment out there. There's definitely uses and place for modern medicine, but they got to loosen up the restrictions and let us do our own, especially when it comes to natural plants and stuff. Yeah. Now, it's not like we're asking to, like, you know, all mix up, how to lab in our basement and mix up chemicals and make drugs. You just want to grow natural medicine. And I think that the ridiculousness of it is really kind of like, like this close now because it's like even the government is they're trying to get it descheduled they have they have to admit that you know it has medicinal uses and stuff like that

so it has no business being on that schedule one list to begin with you know the decrim the deschedule that's all great but the reschedule rescheduling that would be great decriminalization that would be great and everything it's a step in the right direction but really we just got to go right to deschedule when it comes to plants, ethygens, mushrooms, and stuff like that. Right. Right. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.

And I, the more, like you said, the more people go and become part of this movement, the faster it happens. Because, you know, everybody, everybody I know, knows somebody who's had the power of plant medicine help them or they know someone that has and you know once you've seen the changes in people and they've they've done it through natural ways through natural medicine you know it's it's a no-brainer man i just don't see how things can continue to progress down this road of small-mindedness like this is a plant that helps people how could this possibly be it's all about money big karma politics power that's what it's all about at this point and everybody knows it's

That's why it's so ridiculous. That's why you see all this ridiculousness on the TV because people have fed up. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's interesting to see. You know, and it's interesting to look back to like I remember, you know, reading and listening to some of the lectures from some of the thought leaders in the 60s, you know, and they were talking about some of the same things that are happening now. And isn't it weird that on some level, the same way a plant goes through a fruiting cycle, you know, or, you know, or, you know, you know, there seems to be, you know, seasons for harvesting and growth.

And so too in the human condition, you know, it seems that we go through these same sort of phases where we start doing these things, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that our differences are so minute, and we make such a big deal about every little thing. I mean, if we had just had, like,

some big asses of them just show up outside the, friggin' belts and it was like an imminent that it's going to hit us any day or if like um some aliens came here or something like that everybody in the world would band together and just make one flag and just say shit we're americ we're we're earthlings you know right from earth and we're all mixed um you know most of us have had 23 and me's by now and uh we all have like so many different genetics as it is anyway I mean, I mean, I'm the perfect example. You know, I have Palestinian, I have Israeli, I have Italian. I mean, I have so many different countries in me.

I'm like a lot. Yeah. And meanwhile, my whole family acts like they're 100% Italian. And they don't even speak Italian. It just makes no sense. And we, like Christopher Columbus and all this stuff. I mean, look at all this history that everything we were taught as kids was wrong. It's like, even then I was like, what the hell am I doing here?

You know, I was in some pretty. pretty good schools and then I was put in public school and it was some of this stuff was interesting and a lot of it I just thought was just totally ridiculous. Do that, and I dropped out. I dropped out of school when I was 16. I got my GED before my other friends even graduated and then I went to all kinds of trade schools and colleges that I wanted to go to, that had information I wanted to learn. It's tough man, it's tough.

You know, you got better chances. today just teaching yourself. Yeah, man. It's interesting to see the... Otherwise, you have student loans to the day you die. Man, and you can never default on those. You know, get 100 grand and you never default.

It's so crazy. He goes to school to learn something, and then, like, he doesn't do it anymore or something. And now he can never get a credit card for the rest of his life or anything like that. Yeah, it's terrible. Yeah, it's... And they wonder why people are on welfare and, you know.

Yeah, I think that on some level, for many of us, psychedelics have been a way that have helped us learn. I mean, for me, I remember being in high school and doing like my first dose of magic mushrooms, going like this laser show. But more than the Pink Floyd laser show or more than the mushrooms. I went to that laser show. Dude, it was a gross side of the moon.

It was so epic. Talking about the 90s. Yeah. I wait to Hayden Planetarium and I saw it. Yeah, we had one at Baboa Park at a Planetarium. I remember just being like, dude, so amazing. But more than that, there was this feeling of knowing. That was like the first time the world made sense to me.

And it was just like a passing glance, man. I remember thinking like, oh, this shit's all connected. You know, for the first time in my life, I felt as if it was the first time information was revealed to me. You know what I mean by that? like sometimes on a psychedelic trip, like you get these flashes of insight. It's not that you learned it. It's like it's revealed to you.

On some moment you get a, you get to peel back the veil and be like, oh, trip out how that thing grows like that. That's how I grow, you know, and you start seeing these connections that you would never see, but. Even after it wears off,

you could be thinking. Later down the line, the integration, sometimes people don't get anything until later on. They have a horrible, sometimes frightening experience only to find, out later that they needed to go through that to go through some kind of certain thought processes.

And now that the whole thing's all over, they're able to put it in this kind of order in their mind and now it makes sense and they could kind of move on. Yeah. Or they make a decision where it's just like, oh, okay, that, oh, now I get it. Okay, I can't do that no more or I got to move on or whatever. Yeah, it makes me think that a lot of this chaos and this just incredible fight for extracting resources everywhere is because we've been separated from nature. You know, it's, if you look at the DSM or so many of these diseases that manifest

themselves in our kids today, like bulimio or, you know, these incredible sort of mental illness that seems to be sweeping through the world, it's like, it's because we've been separated from nature. And then you start building a relationship with plants, be it the nicotine, be it psychedelics or cannabis. And all of a sudden, you begin to get this divine wisdom. Like, oh, yeah, you know what? It makes sense.

This is my problem with my relationship. But it's just, it's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that when you start building a relationship with nature, your relationships and other parts of your life get better, man. Those things are just not disconnected. They have to be together, I think. Yeah. And they kind of hit on this topic in the movie and the Azorescence movie

because it kind of shows like cause and effect of what people do. And we don't really think of the big picture, you know. and what could happen from our, from our, you know, the consequences from our actions. Yeah, it's all connected. You know, I, we had an incident in my kid's school the other day, like, they had a, they had a teacher that was just doing some inappropriate things. And then another kid brought in pepper spray like a month later, you know, and it's like, those things are connected.

We don't realize how one action that somebody does in a community can radically affect, the rest of the community six months later. You know, it's like it's such a connection between actions and the same thing, too, if you go out and you do something nice for somebody, you have no idea what the ramifications of that can be later in life. Like that kind of ripples out, you know what I mean? Like you do something great for somebody, then that person goes out and does something nice, and then that person goes out and does something nice.

It's contagious, man. It is. It's contagious. It's mind-blowing to me. also so too can you know the bad moods and stuff be you know so you know I've had that happen to me and like this week I feel great I'm in a really good mood I'm happy I feel like you know I want to talk to people and

be nice and stuff like that but there's been days where I just I mope you know I I grimace I walk around you know all day like dragging my head like oh I got to do so much shit today and I don't feel good you know, especially when you don't feel good. If your health, even slightly, even if like, you know, it's, it could be something you don't even know about. It could be something deep down, an emotion that you have suppressed or some kind of even illness that you have deep down. You know, sometimes animals are good at sensing those kind of things when you're around dogs and cats and stuff. Anyway, yeah, so you've got to take a good look at yourself.

This medicine has a way of kind of revealing those things to you. Like in a way only like a shaman can do. so it's like you be your own shaman. I'm one of those who think that, you know, you shouldn't have to go to like a special place and pay thousands of dollars to have this experience. You should be able to do it at home as an adult, just like people buy beer or cigarettes or a pot

and go home and enjoy it like a responsible adult. Granted, have, you know, do your research, have respect for the medicine. You might want to think about your diet for a couple days. up to it because the stuff sitting in your gut is going to talk to you while you're on it. So that's important, you know, and there's been many times where I wasn't fully prepared and I just, you know, I'm saying this is my week. I'm just going to go for it and see what happens.

This week, I didn't feel good. I'm like, I really need to change something. So I'm going to try a microdose this week. I haven't done it in a little while. And look, it's working out. So. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. something about not giving away your authority. I think a lot of us do that. I have no fear too.

And then when you make a decision, don't have fear about it. You already made the decision. Go with it with authority and just go straight for it. And you'll be good. Yeah. In some ways, I think you're describing faith. In some ways, I think you're describing believing in yourself.

And there's been an epidemic of that. We've been, for some reason, we've, I think when you live in faith, fear, you can't have faith, man. I don't think those two parts of the brain can light up at the same time. Because everything's so separate in today's society. Everything's divided. Even families.

Forget about politics. Even families, even households. You know, how are you going to do that when we're so divided? Meanwhile, we have this spiritual connection underneath that is so divine and magnificent. All we have to do is believe in it for a second and we could tap into it. And, you know, all those who say, ah, no, that's all bullshit, you know, just going to go in a box under the ground when I'm dead and that's it and all that stuff. Well, yeah, you're right, because that's what you believe.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what you believe. So you're going to get what you believe. Yeah, you can change the way. There's this great quote that says something along the lines of, you know, your actions go, your actions grow where your awareness goes or something like that. And it's amazing how much your life can change if you're willing just to see yourself differently.

And that's a big part of the spiritual experience. Or for me, my relationship with plant medicine is all about changing perspective and seeing the world in a way that is, you know, fruitful. You know, that's an apt metaphor. Appropriate word. Right? So what else? What else don't mean on the horizon that you see, man? else on the horizon that you see in the world of testing that's uh that's really exciting to you

wow um yeah i guess getting into more of the gourmet stuff i'm looking forward to testing some more i'm looking forward to doing some of these controlled studies you know i encourage people to help support my lab by signing up on a patreon yeah it comes with a great benefit of the discord server where you could come chat with us we do giveaways we uh we have fun we joke around we have on sundays we have uh after this i'm doing a little live thing on the discourse so that'll be fun nice before the Super Bowl so I'm just looking forward to all the collaborations I'm looking forward to the new legislation going on federally and statewide it's going to be a little bit of a crazy year because it's an election year you know so I don't know

how much is actually going to get done this year they might try to get some stuff done before the election but it seems like everybody's on defense defending them their old asses So I don't know. I guess we'll wait and see what happens. But, you know, just everybody just keep pushing forward. I'm really excited for the community to be working together and to see this thing forward. Yeah. Maybe you can send out a quick shout out to some of the other sponsors out there.

I know you've got Willie. Who are some of those other guys? Yeah, who are they? Well, Willie Michael. We had Hamilton mushroom extracts, H. Street Shrew Shop. We had GenTech, who I wrote a paper with recently. We had brown transit substrate, Pacific substrate. We had blue spore myco.

We had tenor micro. We had capital shrumery. We had Explore Spores who won the whole thing. Excellent guy. Excellent vendor. Excellent friend. I mean, people don't even know the history. All the strains that are out there are pretty much from these guys.

So shout out to Birdman. And there was many other great sponsors, True Life podcasts. The winners and the sponsors, you can hit up George and see if he wants to do an interview with you. That was part of us. You know, go on here, tell them, you know, what you do, get people excited about what you do. That's what we're all about is promoting each other and helping each other. You know, nobody is like all selfish in my group. Everybody is trying to help everybody else and trying to advance it forward.

We're always coming up with new ideas and stuff like that. Yeah, there was a few more sponsors I probably forgot, but I love them all. Yeah, they can go on. Everybody listen to this can go on to Magic Michael and see a whole list of sponsors out there and learn how to participate and donate to the lab and become part of the conversation and become part of the movement, man, and just... Still out of trip report, even. Just, you know, contribute in some way.

Yeah. Shout out to Martin Davis from here, too. If you believe in this medicine or plant etrogens, please. please contribute in some way. Yeah. Hi from Toronto. What's up? Much love Toronto.

What's up? Michael Mom. What's up? Hello, Sivan, and I don't know if they're around anymore, but.

Yep. Well, shoots, man. Before I let you go, though, where can people find you? What do you got coming up? And I guess we've already

talked quite a bit about what you're excited about, but what can people find you? What do you got coming up? Oh, another, another dude. Let me, I'm going to give a couple of tips

before we go. I'm not really in a big rush. I don't know how much time you got. Yeah, I'm good, too. I thought you might have had something coming up. So this isn't my game, but another company called Stealthy Spores. Okay. Just came out with a card game.

It's a Micology Card Game. It's launching on September 23rd. And it's based off like Magic the Gathering, right? So young people will be into this. And it has hero cards of all us, mycologists that are out there leading the way. It has villain cards, like contaminations and stuff. like that. Oh, let me show you. I got to show you. Yeah. Let me check it out. I already started putting all my cards into like these little, these like little holders. So here's my card here.

And it tells you a bit about me and my business. Then they even made cards with our strains, like American Mystic and Title Wave. And even with descriptions of it, Gordo Tech is in there, boomer-shurmer's in there, Philly Golden Teacher is in there. And this is just the first edition. So just like baseball cards, this is 24. He couldn't get in touch with everybody. I was like, hey, where's Willie? Where's these other guys? And he's like, hey, they didn't get back to me.

So if this goes well, you guys into this, you know, you guys can get on it for next year and be part of it too. But I think it's really great. Not because, you know, things like this, I would think is kind of like egotistical or pretentious, to be honest with you. Right. But I don't think this isn't my project. I don't think of it this way. This is for the community. This is for the people.

who love mycology. They love collecting things, right? It's not, you know, I'm not like, I was like, at least make my picture like realistic, you know, I didn't want to look like some superman or something. But, oh, it's the Gorda Tech one is really cool. It really looks like him, like when he's out of the game. Oh, yeah.

That's amazing. AI is great. They're doing great things with AI out there. I think it's all great. Here's the Rattle to Wake Book. I wrote one chapter. And it's a free download. you could get a free Kindle.

And if it's not free anymore, you could even get the free sample, which you could read my whole first chapter. And this will let it to my daughter, but it basically tells my story up to this point. I would have liked to maybe write a whole book, but we talked about some ideas we'd like to do so. Maybe we will. We'll see.

Lonnie is a great gal. If anybody wants to hook up with her to write your own story, You could hook up with Lonnie Ray Publishing. Yeah. So, yeah, that was like that. I wanted to mention the stealthy sports. So that comes out on January 23rd. You can use Code DOMA and you could save 10% on the cards.

We'll be writing some new books, so trip reports and stuff like that. Yeah, anybody else haven't? How about anybody else writing questions out there? What, um, when, maybe you can talk a little about some of the strange you got coming out of your lab, man. like what's going on what's that what's the american mystic what's that all about that was an older strain but then one of our newer strings is m ib is the big one right now m ib i call it men in black because it's totally alien it's um it's totally something different you never

seen a mushroom like this before it's like a pan cyan um mixed with uh what i'll tell you the three strains that I use to cross it. We used British version islands. We used PHV and another one called NECD. Three different strains fused together the way that I do. I took like six months to do it. It took some extra time. Every time I take it a little bit of extra time like that to do a strain. It always comes out really stable and solid on the first run. Our first generation F2 sport prints is what I actually consider my hybrid. We did have a bunch of F1 clones that went out also, so you might get some more variation there, but it's one of the strongest bangers out there. So MIB, men in black, and I'm also bringing a whole bunch of new ones out of old storage, so reviving old ones. So we're up to

like Generation 8 on Tidal Wave, because it's been like seven years. So I got an old original version out of the fridge, my last ones, and they germinated, my spores germinated. So we got F2 tidal waves germinating. I have a whole bunch of other strains that I was just going through right here, like we got the Trinity, the old Trinity, so we're doing a bunch of back crosses. The tidal wave two that won the first cup kind of weakened after some time, I think because of the mutation itself. It has inside it what's called ultra-selfish genes. And basically they they're selfish and they basically mate with them. They're able to self-mate.

They're asexual. So that's why these strains sometimes they don't produce spores and they wind up going sterile as because of this. And when that happens, we have no choice but to just keep cloning, cloning, cloning, cloning, cloning, cloning. That's great for a little while. But after some time, most of the time it'll weaken or it can reverse. and you'll get like one or two mushrooms like actual mushrooms like the old mushroom that it was isolated from pop out and that's called a revert oftentimes those will have spores and that's a sign that the genetics got so weak that it's trying to like reboot itself so it's it's it's showing you some recessive genes it allowed a nucleus to enter somewhere so that it can make spores and in the spores is where the nucleus is actually fuse and the new hybrids the new strains

are created. So it does that so that it could basically survive. So we're reviving a whole bunch of old strains by doing back crosses. And what we do is we basically just cross two of the same strain, but with an older version that had more vigorous genetics. Then I got some like ones, a whole bunch that I'm reviving like Raven, Mazatech. We got some new one dancing dragons and Aztec God I'm trying to bring back. I got the third. played here it's kind of germinated yet it was an old plate I gave one to a member so we got members working on it too

WWK which is Weaving Whale Kings Golden Hawk we've got some new ones some new name ones that you can hear but they were actually old projects and one is called Warhead

and another one is called Kanagawa and they're all cubes the MIB is the only one that was the exotic and that happens to be the strongest of of them all. And it's very pleasing too, like not just strong, like, you know, kick your ass strong. It's like pleasant. At least in my experience so far, when I consume my mushrooms, I don't like to eat the actual mushroom. I don't know. I'm old. My digestive tract takes a long

time to break it down. It makes me feel slow and sluggish, like in that's whole body load, right? And when you feel like that, when you trip in, it's kind of uncomfortable. And it's not that you're having a bad trip, it's just when you don't feel comfortable and you know, you're kind of slugging around like that, it is more chances that you could, your thoughts could go the wrong way because you don't feel good. Yeah. Right. So the better you feel before you start, then the, the better trip you're going to have. So what I like to do is I break it down. So like think of it as like predigesting, right? So if you mix your mushrooms with some water or do an extract or some lemon juice which contains a little bit of acid what that'll do is it'll defospherly

some of the psilocybin into psilocin which will then be very easy for your body to absorb you'll start tripping fast and it'll lead fast so it'll be a faster trip when you just eat the mushroom sometimes i could be tripping for a long time it's because it takes your body so long to metabolize and break down all those those kite in and the lignin to get the medicine out when you break it down beforehand do a little extract and then i do a little shooter i've been eating some of my friends candies who who makes the water extracts and then makes candy out of them they don't have long shelf life but if you do it you know close to when you're going to consume it it's very very pleasing and i like to do that with all my mushrooms and the the mib just happens to come out of the tote with high salosin content

which is something that I personally enjoy. It's not very good for shelf life stability, but as far as me eating the damn thing at that time, I like it with psilocybin. Yeah. We wanted to stay as psilocybin only because we wanted to stay shelf stable for a longer period of time.

That's the only reason why we wanted to stay as psilocybin. Yeah. You know, I heard a theory a while back, too, that I was talking to a guy, and we just got another topic of like, man, why does it come in waves? You know what I mean? When you take, like, large just comes in waves. And his theory was that that's your body breaking it down.

Like it gets into the liver and then it breaks down a little bit and then you get hit with a wave. And then it breaks out a little bit, then you can hit with a wave. But what's your thoughts on that, man? Why is it waves? I wouldn't tend to agree with that. It's your body's metabolism. And the half-life of the whatever compounds you took being broken down by your liver or you

your kidneys and everything. Sometimes my kidneys hurt a little bit. I can actually feel it going through there, you know. And when you take the shot or the extract or the converted kind, it's a little bit more like linear, like not as many waves. You still might get some waves as your body because it breaks it down further and further. Right. So your body still does a little work.

But I think the less body load, the better your mind seemed, the happier. and more cheerful you seem to be, at least me in my experience. Yeah. You know what? And taking it back full circle, maybe that's what we'll begin to see when you start, you know, correlating the trip reports with the different strains or the different sort of information that comes with it is you get to really see the thought process because you'll be able to see at this point in time, especially people that have like the, when I read trip reports, I

always like the T minus one or T minus two, you know, like they give like the exact time or what they thought was. the time and you can see where they're at in the trip what they were thinking and it's i i think that once you have those particular stories coupled with the strains and you'll be able to understand the thought process and i think there's real gold in there yeah definitely um many variables will be able to look at the preparations the thought processes a lot of stuff check it out and check it out and you guys tell me what you think there's a suggestion box on the bottom if you want to leave a comment say hey I think you should do this or that drop a comment yeah everyone should go check

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Yeah, it's tremendous, man. And I only see it growing, especially the most. more people that get on board, the more states that get on board, the more legislators that get on board. I really think we've got a great future coming up. Mushrooms are this like untapped potential to universal consciousness and healing. And if we don't get on top of that and we don't take advantage of that, I think it's an injustice. I think it's an injustice to the earth. Our bodies are made, just like we have an endocabinoid system, right?

This is what I like to tell old people when they tell me about cannabis and stuff. I'm like, you know, you got an endoid cannabinoid system and your dog has one too? Why do they have that? Why do they even have that to interact with cannabis? If we aren't really part of the same thing, and mushrooms are eukaryotes, we're eukaryotes? It's like we divided somewhere down the line, you know, hundreds of millions of years ago and, you know, branched off. and they went to fungi and we became mammals eventually and eventually homo sapiens and stuff.

But we share commonalities and also opposites that attract. Like in other words, like they have like organs and they digest stuff. And they and like the they have compounds that interact with receptors in our brains. And and, you know, the way the cannabis. hits us like if we didn't have this system and these these receptors to be able to process the drug it wouldn't even do anything to us and like i think some experiments with slugs when i thought it was a poor i don't want to mention the name but i thought it was a poor experiment it's cool i think all experiments are great but they set up a box with slugs

and they put psilocybin mushrooms on one side and they put like russellers or whatever that deer mushroom or something on the other side and once to see which one it went for. So you could guess that it mostly ate the regular mushroom and it mostly stayed away from the psilocybin. But it did go near it. They all went near it. They all went through it. They all kind of tasted it, but then went away from it and ate that other mushroom and then just kept more going back to the regular mushroom and not the psilocybin mushroom. I think that really proves anything. That just proves they didn't want to trip that day, if you ask me. Because I've grown outside like I mentioned and the slugs the ants the little caterpillars the

deer they all come and tried to take it I had to put chicken wire sometimes my bags were so infested with those little crawly those little crawly slug-like things that that roll up in a bowl yeah they called anyway they're all attracted to it just because they didn't eat it you know they probably just wanted to have regular food and not get all bent because chances are that even a damn slug or a snail has an endoid cannabinoid system. Don't quote me on that because I'm not sure. But I know dogs and cats and most mammals do.

And I'm sure other animals do too. And I'm sure that the psilocybin is not only a deterrent. They don't, the mushroom does not make psilocybin to deter critters. That's the most ridiculous thing I have on here. Yeah. There might be one, there might be some critters that like, they're like, oh, I don't want to go near that. And that's because they don't want to.

want to trip their balls off. I know some people like that. They know the difference. Don't give you that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it gets back during the conversation we were talking about most of the things that we've been taught in school are wrong.

You know, when I look at specifically the different plant medicines, you know, when I look at mushrooms, I see it as like an exogenous, no transmitter. Like when you're taking that, you're communicating with the earth on some level. Like we talked about information being revealed to you. You see. different things about yourself. You have a different perspective. I mean, there's a fancy ways of saying these things, but a way to say it that everybody can understand is you are, the earth is talking to us through us, you know, like that.

The Kundalini, it's the feel that it's really connect easy. It's that Kundalini and the chakras and the energy from the earth. You could really tune into the different area in your body, whereas maybe you couldn't before. And if that's all the mushroom does for you in your life is open up a doorway for you to think differently later, then great. That's what it's meant to do. And you know, you don't have to keep taking this stuff. Yeah. You don't have to get addicted to another chemical.

Many people after they try this, they're like, the next day, they're like, oh, get that away for me, you know? Not today. I got to wait a while, you know? Yeah. I mean, I could do it every day and stuff like, so I'm used to it. I'm on regimens and stuff. But I mean, I'm just saying generally, like, it's non-addicting, if anything.

Like you have to work yourself up to take it a little bit. You got to take care of yourself. You got to like work up the balls to take it. Whereas regular opiates and stuff, it's like you'll fucking rob an old lady to go get it. It's true. It's true, man. But yeah, don't mind. I mean, I would never rob an old lady.

I would never rob the whole lady. Under no condition, under no condition. But I'm just saying I'm trying to make a point that the world is, very divided in the way that it thinks, in the way that it lives, in the way things that it believes. And we have no power. We've been taught to have no power. We basically give it up. Yeah.

And it's an invitation. We allow it. We give it up by giving into it, by having fear, by succumbing to the loneliness, to the emptiness, to the conspiracy theories and all this junk, you know. You just have to kind of push through all that, really. Honestly, I don't know how to exactly describe it, but you kind of have to just get over the fear and maybe go on a psychedelic trip. Maybe for some people it's going to church.

For some people, they could do it on their own. They just got to change their diet and meditate every day. It might take a little longer. But just start thinking different. Don't think that your way of thinking. That's called a paradigm. the way people think and the way people perceive things

is called like a paradigm and it could be changed any moment every thought you have could be a new paradigm and it could be real you just have to believe it that's well said you know it's

I think on some level what helps people see to the fear is that much like a cold is contagious fear is contagious but so is wellness. Like if you can if you can just see the pattern of fear, it doesn't take much to see the pattern of wellness

because they're almost, they fit on top of each other. And if you look around and you're like, like people, if you watch TV or you listen to the news, like all you see is this constant stream of bullshit being flung at you. Like it's just a fire hose of bullshit

every day coming through media at you. And if you realize for a minute, like that doesn't sound right. Man, it seems like we're all divided. like no matter where you turn on or whatever there's just you know man versus woman gay versus straight black versus white Palestinian versus right like it's just this conscious stream of division and you have to start asking yourself why why is there a constant stream of division and when you start asking questions like that you realize the answer pretty quick oh somebody something wants us

divided and as soon as you realize that it kind of flips the switch and you're like oh it's just it's a bunch of bullshit. Like we're so much more similar than we are different. And what you focus on is what you feel. And when you focus on the division, you become divided. But when you focus on the circle of wholeness, when you focus on getting better, that's where you go, man. And like you said, it spreads.

So like you believe that regardless what it is, whether it's good or bad, you pass it on to another person. And hopefully if it is good, you pass that on to the next person, and then once more than just you, believe it and other people see that I that guy believed it and look what it did for him and then they start believing it and telling other people that's when the real magic happens yes yes

yeah it's it's it's almost like the same way the mycelium grows like each one of us is a connection and we're passing off the nutrients to the next one like the same way a relay race passes off a baton to somebody else like you pass off a baton of intelligent thoughts and love to someone else then they take it run with it hand it to somebody else you know it's It's how we move forward, I think, man. I think that's beautiful. Yeah, I think our conversation is beautiful, man. The hive mind.

It's like the hive mind. We're all one. You know, we got such insignificant differences, like I was saying before, if that asteroid came or those aliens came, those differences, those differences, or whatever it is that's holding you back in your life would seem so insignificant. can't meanwhile it was like the whole weight was on you like if it's something all it would take is something like that and everyone in the world would just instantly get along I think so I kind of hope it off it's not an asteroid maybe the aliens will come and they'll be really nice and hope you know it'll be like hey get along and we'll get along yeah yeah I got great hopes for the future I know it seems like we may be in a bit of a turmoil right now but it's always dark before the light

We could turn the asteroid into a spaceship and they could take it to Mars and all move there and leave us. We had a stuck in the fungus piece, you know? Yeah. Now we're talking, man. That's epic, man. It's epic. Doma, I love the conversation, man. We can't.

I do this any time. We shouldn't wait too long next time. That's what I was going to say, man. Talk to you any Sunday, man. If you got nobody to talk, you, just call me up. Okay. Sounds good, man. And so is the promo code for the True Life podcast,

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