TrueLife - Eric Postow - The Laws of Reality are Being Rewritten

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Support the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USOne on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingWhat the actual fuck is “being human” when AI is about to eat your entire career, your identity, and the old world’s bullshit rules?In this raw, unfiltered episode of True Life Podcast, I go deep with Eric Postow, attorney, psychedelic legal warrior, and the guy actually navigating the chaos at the intersection of entheogens, agentic AI, and the transhuman cliff we’re all sprinting toward.We’re not bullshitting around safe topics:→ Machines replacing 70-80% of lawyer brainwork (and every other white-collar gig)→ Psychedelics as the primal antidote to silicon gods and corporate slavery→ The inevitable merger of plant consciousness + a.i. tech→ Why your spreadsheets are dead, your soul is on the line, and most people are still sleepwalking into the singularity→ Rebuilding identity, community, and rebellion in a post-work, post-scarcity mindfuckNo polished corporate cope. No weak futurism. Just two people calling out the collapse of the old paradigm and daring you to architect what comes next.This isn’t a podcast. It’s a transmission for lawyers, rebels, outcasts, and readers who want to understand the future. The future isn’t coming. It’s already here and it’s weird.Who’s ready to wake up and break shit constructively?#Psychedelics #AI #Transhumanism #LegalRevolution #Consciousness #FutureIsWeird #RebelMindshttps://holonlaw.com/ One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Legal Disclaimer / Release of Liability for Podcast:This  content  is for educational and informational purposes only. Nothing in this transmission constitutes legal, financial, or professional advice. I am not your lawyer, financial advisor, or telling you what to do.This podcast documents historical events, analyzes publicly available information, and explores hypothetical scenarios. Any actions discussed are presented as educational examples of how systems work—not as instructions or recommendations.You are solely responsible for your own decisions and actions. Any application of information presented here is at your own risk. I assume no liability for consequences of actions you choose to take.By continuing to listen, you acknowledge that this content is educational commentary, that you’re responsible for researching applicable laws in your jurisdiction, and that you’ll consult appropriate professionals before taking any action that could affect your legal, financial, or personal situation.

Turn on. Take the power back. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. We're here with Eric Posta. Incredible attorney, a friend of mine, someone who has been paving the way in the psychedelic space and been doing quite a bit of work in cannabis and an all-around great person. Eric, what's cracking, man? How are you? Hey, George. Really fun to be back with you. I always appreciate coming here in the studio and talking to you about all things and everything.

I'm doing well in a general sense. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic. Thank you very much. Just, you know, never a dull moment in the world of George Monty. I'm always in my own head or getting some debates. I think all could say in this moment, it's never been truer. Never.

So, juxtapose other times that were more dull. And you could say that was dull. This is not dull. We are living in some truly wild times. Yeah. I heard a great quote that said there are decades where nothing happens. And then there's years where decades happen. I think we're in one of those years.

Oh, yeah. It's not just decades right now. It's centuries. Let me catch us up. Please, man. Catch us up. Like here's where I'm seeing things. In my, how do we even approach?

In my practice, I have worked in regulated spaces and I've worked in really intentional regulated spaces. I've worked in cannabis and hemp. I've had a First Amendment religious freedoms practice for over a decade, primarily focusing on antheogenic churches. and studying, you know, the development of westernized, American-specific, anthogenic churches under RFRA, Religious Freedom's Act, and under the Constitution and under a variety of state laws and things like that, case precedents and things like that. I also have a pretty comprehensive emerging technology.

technology's AI practice. And so my perspective is truly based around transformational ideas. Because psychedelics is a transformational idea. It's a transformational sacrament substance, a series of substances. It's a lineage. It is a 10,000 plus year lineage of relationship with nature. It's powerful in wellness. It's powerful as a therapeutic. It's powerful as a personal growth. It's powerful as a antidote to drug addiction. And it's powerful as a spiritual tool. in the Western sense, it's, you know, kind of been boxed in quite a bit.

And the Western mind tries to, you know, fit psychedelics into Western worldview. And it doesn't naturally fit into the Western worldview. It fits into the indigenous worldview. And on every continent, there's an indigenous relationship with the natural medicines of the land. plant, fungi, animal. And, you know, that's a very different way of understanding, of perceiving, of relating than the Western, which is like structures and organizations and, you know, lanes and truly fractured existence.

Western ideas are fractured ideas. They're not always whole. They're not always integrated. Right. And psychedelics are an integration tool, if nothing else. And then in the AI space, we are truly living in a time of alien technology that is entering into our lives at an unprecedented speed, unparalleled by anything else,

that any of us alive have ever experienced the last time that we've been in an existence where there was this much transition and change and transformation, what likely was the industrial revolution. But likely it was even further than that in the past of some other major transitional era from, you know, there was no technology, and then there was the technology, and everything was different. And so for three years, I've had a very holistic AI practice

where AI touches different regulated spaces. So I've gotten to learn about what this this technology does and you know I don't know if anyone else has said it AI is psychedelics it's doing

very similar things it's integrating it is organizing orchestrating it is transforming you know and and in my

observations and experience that's what's also going on in the and the psychedelics space catching us up to now even further there is it's no longer a our psychedelics beneficial it is in the in the West it is well established now that they are truly beneficial even the current administration is moving forward with a boga ibogaine as as a necessary medicine for drug addiction and other ailments and things like that. And so we are, we're, we've already crossed the Rubicon. It's already happened. And so now we're in this era of normalization of that. You know, what does it look like when psychedelics enters into our societies and becomes normalized?

What does it look like when it's in our religious spaces and our wellness spaces and our therapeutic spaces? And our recovery spaces. What does it look like when, And it's actually used as it has historically been used for socio-cultural reasons, for rights of passage, for growth and development. I mean, it's a remarkable time to be alive because there's so many converging, transformative things happening all at the same time. The emergence of psychedelics and AI together as leading our transitions, our transformation, is not a coincidence, right?

And so I think by studying these two seemingly totally, you know, disparate things, I've been able to really think about the future in a way that a lot of folks are not. And that's helpful as a professional. It's helpful to help people think about those things, to be predictive to plan for business or paying for personal life or whatever it is. And also to kind of, you know, be very truthful about the friction that exists when you're having all of this change. So that may have been a lot of streaming. But it's awesome.

Catching us up. Is that Jeremy Narby's book behind you, The Cosmic Serpent, on top up there? Yeah, finale. Yep. Ah, imagine that. Imagine that. That's the interesting books. Oh, this one's a great one too.

Yep. the fellowship of the river. I mean, of course. Sacred knowledge. Yeah. There's really some great thinkers out there who've been doing this a lot longer than I have and I try to learn from all of them.

You know what it sounds like to me? When I hear you talk about the way AI and psychedelics are similar, like there's a great book by Ian McGilchrist called The Matter With Things or even Julian Jane's book, The Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. But both those books talk about left brain

right brain lateralization and they look at the right brain as like this analytical scalpel and the left brain as this giant big picture idea that understands images and symbols and I can't help but see the similarities between left right brain lateralization and AI and psychedelics like you know maybe we do need both maybe you do have AI at this analytical scalpel that can scrape everything and make sense of it and then you have this more holistic approach on the other hemisphere is coming together. What I think I can distill from all of this is that we are at a time when the existential question for us is, what does it mean to be human?

We are actually asking that question in real terms, okay? I think we're living that question. We're living it and absolutely, but we're also answering it in terms of practical. this is how the world's transforming. Are we answering it? How are we answering it? Answering is a long process. The first part is to become aware.

We point our attention on this thing. Let's break it down a little bit. Okay. If AI continues on its trajectory, it replaces the automated workflow. It replaces the automated workflow. It replaces production. It replaces the idea that you are what you do for work.

Yes. Okay? So when AI can do those things, it should do those things. But it might be controversial, but it's true because that's, you can't, to try and stop that, to break the whole system down and to become authoritarian and, you know, the ultimate freedom of how, you know, humans express themselves and live, you know, it would be an inevitable thing. But what really happens there is, okay, if I am no longer what I do for work, if that's not my core identity, what is my core identity? And then the question is, well, let's ask, if you're not doing that for work, does that mean there's no work to be done?

No, of course not. There's always work to be done. Look around you. Look inside you. Look at your community. there's always work to be done and the human work is the most important work that we have it is the most important thing we can do

is do human-centric work to work with each other the value exchange of I have something that can help you and you recognize that and you support me so that I can help you so we're in reciprocity we have a mutuality of benefit here okay that basic doesn't go away because I'm no longer doing 10 hours a day of spreadsheets.

It's still the basic. I still need to find a way to connect and relate and to provide value to my community in exchange for the support that I need to be able to continue to provide value to my community. And this is only more so true. You know, when the corporate things are being done by machines, the people still are still have to talk and relate and care about one another and think about what hurts them and think about how they can help them. Let's think about the various issues in this future world we're imagining.

Right now, another existential transformative topic is food. Our food is poisoned. We are all waking up to this truth. It's poisoned. It's making people sick. we have higher rates of cancer and heart disease and mental illness than ever before and we have more synthetic food than ever before. Yeah.

Okay? Why, though? Because that's how the old era, old world went. It went that way in order to do the things that it needed to do. It had to go to super agriculture in order to produce food for everybody in that model. but regenerative farming, community-based farming, simple ingredients. We have the ability to do that. Getting our hands back into the earth, planting the garlic,

planting the herbs, planting the food that sustains, teaching people how to garden against, teaching people how to grow their medicines, to grow their food, to share their medicines and share their food and share their wisdom. This is human work. Let me pause you right there for a second, though, Eric. I agree 100% that we have the ability, but do we have the will?

Because the incentive structure hasn't changed from so long ago. The incentive structure was to make as much money as possible. And it's not so much the AI models that we're worried about. It's the companies that are building the AI models, and they're racing towards AGI at a pace, you know, that's the old model of work fast or move fast and break stuff. the incentives are to make as much money as possible and we see that in the wealth gap.

So why would we do these things? Like, why would we build our own farms? Why would we be more human at the incentives? Because that's going to continue. That's a slippery slope. That's going to continue to proliferate. Agentic world is coming. It's not a fiction.

It's not sci-fi. Right? Though it can be. That's a good one. I see where you're going with that. It's happening. So let's accept. Right. Let's surrender and accept to the truth that this technology, if it can become agentic, it will become agentic.

All right. Okay. If it can integrate all of the workflow into a single organization orchestrated container, it's going to do those things. All right. The profit motives of all that are that. But here's the flip. Okay. Money makes no sense to people anymore.

the cost of things doesn't make sense to people anymore. That's true. So that has to change. That has to change. How does it change? Through violence. No. There's no political solution.

It's not, it doesn't, it's organic. It's a natural occurrence. Okay, lay it out for me. Like, please, how does it change? Let me imagine a possible world. Okay, that would be great. We're going to talk about a few different things. Okay.

We're going to talk about a large structure law firm. Okay. We're going to talk about hourly rates that are $3,000 an hour. The Wall Street Journal put out an article talking about the highest rates of $3,000. That's absurd. Sorry to anyone charging that and more power to you for it, but that's absurd because it doesn't make sense anymore.

If the big law firm world can do 60, 70% of the workload without without the same associate lawyer base, then the pricing scheme no longer makes sense. If AI can do 70, 80% of the job, the cost must come down to reflect the human hours no longer need it. Okay? I don't thoroughly understand that part.

Why wouldn't they just keep charging the same amount? That's what I would do. Well, I mean, it's based on the reasonable pricing in the hours of consumption based on the labor side. So the attorneys are putting enough some amount of hours into the work. And that time has a value. But now the work in many instances, in most instances, and certainly into the future more and more so,

can be done by an AI system. And the lawyer is there to make sure that it's not hallucinating, that it is accurate, that it is good, that it does reflect the quality work that the client would want and expect regardless of what the situation is. Okay. But having tokens replaced, it seems to me that tokens are replacing human labor. Like the same, I read these articles where people are like, I spent 200,000 in tokens for

Claude. Isn't that like the same as paying an employee? Like, if not, maybe not more, but it seems like it's a cost. I don't know enough about tokens to comment too much on that. But in this hypothetical world, what we're talking about is the value exchange of the dollar per hour. Gotcha.

And the price of services needing to come down. And the reduction in head cost, which leads to a less, and especially in this virtual world where people are already working from home and can work from home and can work from anywhere, hybridized workforce, the amount of, commercial real estate is no longer the same need as it was. So if I'm now reducing my commercial real estate footprint, what am I doing?

I'm increasing my residential footprint. I'm making housing more affordable because the skyscraper has to come down to make way for more green space and more housing, more residential real estate. People start to live in cities in a different kind of way. and so if you no longer need the same workforce, if you no longer need 10 million people in the city to do work, and now 5 million people live in the city and live there and work there, the cost of services, utilities is going to go down.

All of this is a trickle effect based upon the assumption that the skyscraper filled with the law firm can reduce its footprint. And then this is across all, industries, all segments, financial accounting, tax, services of any type, so on and so forth. So all of that change on the corporate side, the corporate structure that leads to a different way of living, leads to new opportunities and how do we live intentionally. And when we have these big problems to solve, like how do we make ourselves healthier? How do we live a more healthy life?

Well, one, let's reduce the intake of things that are actually harming us. That's one thing. And then let's improve the outward relation to the rest of the community so that I'm not projecting negativity into the world in the same way because I'm healthier, right? I know these things can be all over the place and maybe hard to follow, But I think if you use your imagination and you really think about what I'm saying,

transformation doesn't just stay in an isolated silo. Transformation means everything must transform. The way we work, where we work, how we work, where we live, how we live, the cost of food, the cost of goods, the cost of services. All of these things are interconnected. When you start to transform one, the rest transform also.

And it's an inevitable thing. So we ask the questions, what is it that we need? We need to live healthier. We need to live as a more safe society, safe community, not safety and more power and overlords, but safety in how we show concern and care for one another. And if we have more time, let me ask you this. Okay, please. Suppose I can say that the,

The time, the 10 hours a day that you are working behind your spreadsheets and all the things in your computer world, I'm going to give you back and now you have 10 hours of brain capacity to do anything else. What have I just done to you? You fundamentally changed my identity as a human being. I know because I went through that. I was working a job for 12 hours a day, you know, for 26 years. And when I left there, it was a giant hole. Who am I?

What do I do? How do people relate to me? What happened to the people I saw every single day? What happened to the little boy that would come up to my truck and I would bring him a hot wheel? Or he would want to look inside my truck and his mom would bring me out some banana bread. Like that was a big part.

Like all those little things were little cells and what made up George. And now they're gone. What are you doing that time? Like how do you? People see it in retirement all the time. You see people, I've seen people retire and die within a year

because they've lost their identity. Yeah. And so what do you fill it up with, though? This is where intentionality, new ways of seeing and thinking and perceiving are so important. Agreed. People need to have introspection. They have to fundamentally know themselves. Before they can do anything else in the world, they've got to know who they are and what their identity really is.

What's it about when I strip away the constructions, the conditions? What am I at my core? What do I feel? What's my meaning? what meaning do I want? What meaning making do I find important? Then we move from that place into attentionality into observation.

What opportunities am I seeing? What choices do I have? Then the intentionality to make choices and to know why you're making a choice and knowing that the choice will lead to transformation. And then the sustaining of that choice, the consistency with which we act in furtherance of the choice, leads to manifestation of reality,

the creation of something new, emergence. If I know there's a choice, if I make the choice, if I continue to act in furtherance of that choice, I'm going to live out that choice. Simple. This is not complicated stuff.

If I have 10 more hours a day of creativity and imagination, 10 more hours a day to think about my role in society, in my family, in my community, 10 hours a day to perceive the things that ails us all, the things that are common strands of this is making us sick. You know, the idea that we are a sick population. We are a sick population.

Unfortunately, COVID demonstrated that. The folks that were not making it largely had comorbidities. And there was a lot of them. Yeah. Because we had become so unhealthy for so long, and we are still unhealthy in many, many ways. And because we're unhealthy, we're dysregulated and we're behaving in a dysregulated way. And people are acting in a disregulated way out in the public space and saying things that are crazy and doing things that are crazy and harmful, not pro-social, not healthy, not good, just continuing to become aggressive and antagonistic. and going into that that anger, fire, vengeful, raging side of ourselves, you know,

and who wants to live that way when there are alternatives, right? So I do think this era of transformation is one in which people need to really reflect on it. We are all transforming whether you want to or not. The world around you is changing, except that it is changing, except that the change is out of your control, but that what is in your control is your intention your intentionality your awareness becoming more aware aware of you your relationships and what's possible how do you want to bring creativity into the world what do you want to create what what what transcendent thing do you want to be a part of that's important that's important to you which then leads me to the point of in this new world

And you can see this in the data now. Okay. What is it? The spirit mind is becoming Christally clear. Is that a phrase? Christily clear? It is now.

It's crystallic clear that the spirit mind is the most important mind. There is a sociopolitical mind. There is the conditioned mind. But the spirit mind is the open mind that is connecting you to higher source. More people are. are going back into the churches and synagogues and mosques and religious places and sacred places.

Then in the last 20 years, the data is pointing this out right now. Why? Why? Because we are recognizing that the answers are not here. They are here. We have to be in a totally different place to perceive where we are and what we should do. And that's the spirit mind. And that's not telling anyone what religion to pick.

Yeah. The attunement you have to your spiritual life, to whatever that is for you. And to those that are just completely closed off from that, you know, you're still living on this planet. And, you know, your connection to the planet and to the earth itself and each other in community is a real thing. If you claim something is true,

that's potentially a limitation you place on yourself. You claim something is not true. That's a limitation you place on yourself. I encourage openness of spirit mind. I agree. I embrace the idea that all you can really do in life is become the best version of yourself. And there's all these levers that you can't.

control and when you spend time focusing on the things that you can't control, it creates anxiety, it creates depression, it creates a lesser form of who you really are. Yeah. That being said though, you know, look at the way the current world talks about getting rid of, we're going to get rid of all these jobs. It's a subtle job, it's a subtle jab at like these people aren't necessary. You know, and the way in which we reframe this stuff. And maybe, I don't know.

I mean, you know, if you look at what AI is doing, it's sort of disenfranchising so much people. I agree with the possibility. That is the messiness of transformation and transition. People are getting hurt. Of course. And people will be hurt, you know. Right.

But how do we educate our children for what's coming? My son is going into sixth grade. What does he have to know? Because the transition is going to continue parallel to him entering the professional space. Whatever that is in 12-ish years is totally different than what exists right now. So how am I helping him prepare for that? How are the schools helping them prepare for that? Right?

So yes, there is change. Change comes with painful truth. Of course. Yeah. So what do we do? We acknowledge that and we return to humanity. Okay, if I got people who are getting displaced from work, what do we do? Well, what does our community need?

Where are our missions? What's important to us right now? Where's the new work? What's the new work? How are we redefining the term work? How are we getting people to buy in and how are we creating value exchange? How are we ensuring that people are living healthfully in a society and a community? that we're not seeing an increase of homelessness,

that we're not running into these calamitous things as a result of the occurrence of the innovative technological breakthrough that's transforming the whole world. The negative consequences have to be acknowledged. We have to become aware of them, and we have to be creative and imaginative to come up with solutions, and we have to do it as a human-centric community. We cannot just say it's happening,

and then, right? And we can't say it shouldn't happen because it will happen. It's always happened like that. It will always happen like that where you're talking about the role of the corporate life, the thing that is the business world.

Okay, here's where I'd push back on that. Like, if you look at labor laws, like labor laws were fought hard for. children working the 40-hour work week. The only reason the people in charge gave way is through threat of death and through threat of people never working again. They made concessions because the people pushed back hard enough. You know, can you tell me a time in history

where you have seen a peaceful transition that benefited all the people instead of like the elite people? You know, I look at, I mean, can you think of a time when that happened when it was just this easy? I mean, I think we're in a totally new time. I think we are in a time of choice. an awareness and opportunity. Could it all happen the way you're describing where we revert back to these more violent oppositional things to it

and then one class of people completely ignores the plight of the other class and the growing class? Yeah, I guess so. I don't want it to happen. I think that's possible. I also think it's possible to do things differently. And I would hope that we, by being intentional, by showing up for each other,

by starting to realize that the human life is worth living, that the human relationship is worth nurturing, that the human community is worth building. All of these things are how you address the other without just saying, let's yell and scream about it and fight. I know. But yeah, laws are important. But laws also reflect...

what's the realities of that world, the labor laws existed at a time when those labor laws were necessary because of the conditions and what was happening. So the laws will reflect what's actually going on and it is sometimes hard to overlay something that made sense 100 years ago or 50 years ago with what makes sense 50 years from now

or even now. It's true. You know, in some ways I, you know, I guess that I want the best, but I try to look at the opposite side of it. And I wholeheartedly agree. I think that the idea of psychedelics and AI can come together to build something vastly more beautiful.

But... Psychedelics are about that journey of the person, that journey of the human. And, you know... But so is AI, right? Yeah, yeah, it is. And it also can be a very useful, you know, self-reflective tool, a mirror in a lot of ways. But I think with what, you know, what happens in that psychedelic space is there's this opening up of connectivity and opening up of humanness and relationship of human intelligence and earth intelligence, plant intelligence, animal intelligence.

I think that there's something that's happening there that is, I don't want to even say that majority. Many people come back from these experiences, more feeling more connection, more relationship, more kinship. And the change in the people will show the answers to the change coming from the technology. Right? And that's not to say, everyone, go out and dose yourself.

That is, that is not what I'm saying at all. What I'm suggesting, though, that is there is a growing acceptance of the power of psychedelics in society. It seems to me it's only going to expand exponentially that humans are recognizing natural human rights to medicines. That medicine itself, drugs and medicines are being re-understood. And that, exactly, and that medicine is much broader category than pharma's definition of it. I think, yeah. I do think that, you know, the human transformation, coupled with the technological transformation is where things seem to be going. in a really interesting way of observing the world.

A lot of people probably don't observe the world like this and don't think about it like this. But that's why I said in the spaces I've worked in, I've come to see it and to think about it and understand that those things are happening simultaneously and I don't think it's a coincidence. Okay, this brings up, I was reading, there's this incredible gentleman who offered me a part of a book

and it was fucking fascinating. But I couldn't help draw the parallels between psychedelics and transhumanism. You know, it's, man, like, and I don't use that as a pejorative. I'm not saying, you know, transhumanist is a pejorative. I'm saying it as, like, maybe what comes next. But those two things, they seem to, like,

psychedelics seems to be the foundation in which to rewire your brain for transhumanism. You know what I mean? It's like creating different pathway. But what are your thoughts on transhumanism and psychedelics, or is that something you thought about? I think we should be very careful to define what we are talking about. Yeah, good point.

Talking about the merger of technology and human, making a transhuman that has an integrated form of agentic intelligence. Huge. Within themselves, within their ability for their mind to tap into that source of information directly. Yeah. The cyborg. I don't know how far out we really are from that idea, but this is one of those things where if you can imagine it, it can happen and it probably will happen. And, you know, we're already seeing people that want to live forever by uploading their business into machine and AI and all that stuff.

So it seems like there's kind of a natural fractaling of. this idea, but the transhuman future, one in which a human mind can be connected to all information, not just like readily available in your phone, but in your mind, in real-time thinking speed, the ability to perceive so many millions of things the way that the machine robot does within yourself, and have the human capacity that is not machine, the human capacity to relate and empathize, to feel emotion, to be emotional. The things that make us human

are equally and essentially, integrally important in this potential of the transhuman idea. And that ability to relate to other people, to self, to supply the human, the humanness to what the algorithmic answer is, or what the data is, or whatever the agentic intelligence is producing. You know, I think that coupling the human and the artificial, the synthetic intelligence, into one form, into one mind is the most powerful thing I could possibly imagine in the history

of humanity of that happening. And, you know, to me, that's not a scary thing. To me, that means that we can truly, you know, awaken ourselves to our human potential to restore our humanness in you know in in society in life in the

world in the planet on the planet and so I think transhuman is a really interesting idea and I appreciate you ask me because we've been we shared some some creative writing on the on the subject and how did you how did you take that

and I shared some of my writing with you I thought it was phenomenal. And I'm not just saying that because you're on the podcast with me and you're my friend. Like, I'll give you the example.

So you had sent me over a few chapters and I was laying in bed reading them. And my wife and I usually lay in bed and just kind of chill out. And I was reading this book out loud. I'm like, and then she was doing her own thing and she stopped and turned over and goes, what is that?

What is that? And I'm like, oh, it's this new book. And she's like, did you buy it? And I'm like, no, my friend wrote it. She's like, what? And I'm like, am I reading too loud? She goes, no, keep reading. But, like, it was a genuine gesture from someone I love and I saw their interest in it.

And it aligned with exactly what my interest is in it. My, like, I took multiple pages of notes. I'll send them to you. But one of the things that I wrote down was the way in which it was written. Like, there are some of the most original metaphors that really brought images to me. and not like good, like some beautiful images, but also controversial images that made me stop. And anybody who's a reader probably does this

where you set the book down for a minute, and you'd be like, what the fuck? What? You know, and then your mind starts racing. To me, that's the sign of a great book. Because, like, that's what I want to do. I want to set it down for a minute and think about things. A great author and a great book

will force you to set it down for a minute and confront your own inner demons, confront your own ideas on this. Or maybe reread the passage and be like, wait, why did he use that? that word. Like, why would you use that word? Is that a double entendre? Is this guy someone to double entendre at me right here? Or like, why? And then all of a sudden, I'm off to the races on something that no one else would probably understand, but I did. But that's a

hallmark of good writing. And that's what I noticed in the first few chapters that you sent me. Man, I think it was a fantastic premise. I think the character development is awesome. I think the world building is there. And, man, I can't say enough cool things about it. Congratulations on that. Thank you. I read a lot, too. Thank you so much. And I definitely appreciate your reading it and providing some of your thoughts back. And yeah, I mean, I'm spending a lot of time really thinking about what's this future fully integrated, agentic human world look like.

Yeah. And with some of the stuff I've talked about already, that future is a much more, you know, psychedelic future. Because again, those medicines, those tools, those sacraments are expanding people's consciousness and are becoming more accepted in society in the West than ever before. And because they have powerful transformative potentiality and they're useful, very useful for people stuck, addictions being stuck. And to break that addiction, you'll have to deconstruct who you are and reconstruct who you will be. And so it's proving it there. But that alone tells you what's possible with this stuff. And yeah, of course, it can be dangerous and it can be harmful when done incorrectly.

And it can be harmful with people who have bad intentions. And so we as a society in the now need to really reflect on, things of communal safety and things like that. But the point is when we're talking about a future, there's a future moment when it's like it was in the past, when it's just a normalized part of society and that people are having these really, you know, important uses for personal growth,

for spiritual growth, complex problem solving for you name it there's a time in place just like there was another time in place it's really a relatively small window of time when we containerized it the way we do in the west and said this is bad we'll set that container over here you much like you cannot contain AI it cannot be contained truly that's the big secret of you know the regulatory world of AI you can't fully be contained. You can set guide rails. You can set up those parameters.

You can think about all the things, ethics and morality and things like that, which makes it a fantastic philosophical space to work in. It's the same with the psychedelics. You could not contain what is naturally occurring. You cannot stop people from eating the mushroom they know will give them information or from drinking the brew that is there for growth and development and communal living

and connectivity with each other that's been shared amongst people of a certain region and certain place for a long time. You know, and our world now is all mixed up and what's the word we used here? Where everyone, the mixing bowl of... Oh, yeah, the melting pot. all that stuff.

You know, I think that it's hard to think about, you know, indigenous medicines and historic medicines. And, you know, apply the exact same logic of a world that was before melting pot to now. But there's a new world. And that's where healing can come in, I think. That's where new ideas on how people relate with each other are important. It's not to disavow or disconnect from, you know, the trauma of history. I mean, the history is a trauma.

I think it was Daedalus in James Joyce's book, Ulysses, that said, History is the nightmare from which I'm trying to awaken. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're living, we can't escape it, but we can create the future. Yeah. I know is possible. And that's where intentional choice, informed choice and intentional choice are really fundamental to that. And, you know, and that's what this is for.

This is a, is none of this is legal advice. So to everyone listening to me. This is creative thought production because I think a lot of a lot of our work is to imagine, you know, where are we going? How are we getting there? We seem to be going that way. I think that way looks a lot better, right? And what does it really look like? Well, put your creativity.

Take that 10 hours away from a spreadsheet and put it into. actually doing. Yep. And bring it from the limited worlds of words into the more expansive world of actions. Yes. Yeah, it's, it's a tricky thing to do for people, especially if you haven't flexed that muscle of creativity in quite some time. Like, how do you translate your vision into reality?

And it's, it's probably easily or done for people higher up Maslow. pyramid. You know what I mean by that? Like if you have all that like if you have your food and you have your shelter, it's much easier to think about being creative. But if you are scratching that, absolutely. There's a, there's a spectrum of privilege, but really is privilege in a limited container of privilege based on current existence, current frameworks. Yes. You know, people have written about this and talk about this the difference between fear-based decision-making

and abundance-based decision-making and there's also the idea like well we have let's talk about food security we have a food security issue globally why

why do we have a food security issue globally? Why why do we have a food security issue globally. Well, the fundamental answer is because that's the based on the choices that we have made globally compounded over time. That has led us to this present reality, where we have food insecurity. And I don't need to pinpoint the one thing because I can see the whole of it led to this. And transformation of the whole of it would potentially address some of the things that are built into, you know, a one world experience. You know, if the last world had food insecurity,

does the new world have food insecurity? And again, how do you solve that? Well, what are the, what's the ecosystem of food? What is the Holonic system of food? How does it get to your plate? What even should you be eating? What are we eating? If you're getting your 2,000 calories from sugar,

you're not eating the way that your body needs you to eat to survive. So why do we have a plethora of sugar? and sugar-like substances and synthetic sugar, right? Because we've conditioned ourselves to be addicted to sugar. And that is one of a million things that you have to consider in all of these things. And it's easy to get lost. But the bottom line with what I think I'm trying to say. Oh, what am I trying to say?

The bottom line where I think that's going is that we need holistic solutions to holistic problems. We don't live in a linear world. We live in a non-linear existence. And you can't contemplate one thing in isolation without considering the rest of it. It's true. You can't take it issue by issue like that. you need a whole transformation identity. So if you wanted to start with an identity,

my identity is transformation. The strategy will show itself once I've committed to that identity. Yeah, that's what I said. There was probably 20, 30 minutes of ramble and maybe two or three sound bites. that we're all right. No, man. There was way more than that. This was our best podcast we've had.

Think so? I know so. I know so, man. I feel like we're off the rails. What kind of conversation? Like the structured conversation is what we're trying to get away from. We want to inform people, but that's not how the brain works. No, that's why I like doing this with you because I, you know, we say, hey, we want to do a podcast.

Like, yeah, like on. Yeah, right? Let's go. Let's talk now. And, you know, there's no script. It's just, I'm living in a world. I'm experiencing things in a world. Yeah. You're a human being.

Beautiful things. I'm experiencing ugly things. I have personal victories and I have personal defeats. And I see what's going on in the world around me. And I see all the things happening outside of my control. And I also see what's possible and what's potential. I see the beautiful things of AI transformation. I see the unlocking of the human beings.

human spirit. I see that the human spirit is the most powerful thing in the world. It's not AI or agentic AI that's powerful. Those are tools to do things. Those are productions of labor. The humanness is the value. The humanity is the value. That is the sacred. and restoring the sacred of life, restoring the sacred of human, what it means to be human, to remember that. Yeah.

And to reflect in that and to walk in that. You know, I think that that is what's possible and that's what I gravitate towards. And I know that there are 10 million people who will yell at me for overlooking all of the traumas and hardships that are that are going to befall us as a result.

You know, I see it. I see people. I see those things. I'm not disavowing it. I see what's possible and what's potential in our humanity. And I think that that is worth cultivating. I agree. 100%.

Eric Postout, I love talking to you, man. I can't wait to finish off some of the conversation we were having before. And, but as we're kind of landing the plane here, man, I'd be grateful if you could tell people who are listening or maybe watching this right now where they can find you, what you have coming up and what you're excited about. Yeah, I'm really excited that I'm starting to kind of find my voice in a really interesting integrated concept of describing Holonic systems to people, to businesses, to individuals for personal growth, for professional development. It's an entirely new business model that I think is appropriate for where things are and where they're heading. It's also for personal life. And it's worked for me and things like that. I'm starting to have a voice in the religious use space to start talking about what does it look like when Western religions start to integrate.

psychedelics into a more of the standard normative religious segments, rather than, you know, the plethora of, you know, smaller, you know, spiritual movements and groups, the organized structure of a pre-existing religious institution that seeks to integrate psychedelics into its body, its corpus, I think is a really fascinating idea. I also think it creates, there's a safety container there that makes a lot of sense to me. And I'm privileged to be able to put some thoughts towards that. And I'm really excited about, you know, the things that are going on in the emerging technology space. And, you know, I'm aware of the limitations and the shortfalls and the shortfalls and the

problems and I'm also just blown away by the beauty of how it's all, how it all works. And I think that it's important that I work in that space and bring the various perspectives I do about the humanity that I'm most interested in. And I think that is helpful to be able to advise and consult people to not forget, to not, to not overlook those things. Because at the end of the day, you're still in the human, you know, relationship world, even if you are a high-speed tech. I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, check out Eric Postel. Go check out, hold on law.

Reach out to him if you have some questions. If you are heard anything today that really kind of inspired, you reach out to the law firm. And they're also there to help you with an incredible amount of work. Eric, I'm grateful to get to talk to you. And that's it, ladies and gentlemen, that's all we got for right now. I hope you have a beautiful day. Eric, hang on briefly afterwards to everyone else within the sound of my voice. I hope you have a beautiful day.

Aloha.