TrueLife - Gary Cordery - On the State of Hawaii

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

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The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Kodak Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. We are here with an amazing man, a candidate for governor, and an all-around great human being that wants to create change, not only for himself, but for the state of Hawaii. We're going to get into some topics today. Gary, how are you? I'm very well, George. Thank you. Good morning. How are you?

I'm doing fantastic. Thank you. I've been, for those who are not paying attention, Gary Quarterie is, in my opinion, the best candidate for governor. He's, if you go to his Instagram page and all the links would be down on the show notes, you can see some of the things he's been doing from signing or from being out in Laieie, got mailers, going out now, been all through Kailua, talking about health care. What do you want to start off with today? Anything in particular? Well, you know, the campaign is really ramping up. You mentioned a couple of things. You know, I was thinking a moment ago about our conversations and how free-flowing they've been and how non-political they've been, which has been kind of a treat,

you know, the fact that we can just be regular, regular human beings and discussing important topics. But on the other hand, this is the political season. We wouldn't have known each other if I hadn't declared to make a commitment to alter and bring righteousness to the executive branch. So balance in these things, I would say that, you know, part of campaigning is really ramping up into high gear. You mentioned a number of things that we're doing. We've been doing those things for a while, but we've become much more strategic. We have mail-in campaigns. We have a mail-in, phone town hall this evening where there'll be 20,000 people invited to participate in the town hall.

That's exciting. We have door-to-door, specific targeted door-to-door walk-book campaigns, you know, phone banking campaigns, direct mail campaigns, not to mention just going to events. When we finish this, I'll run off to a meeting at Red Hill with a number of pastors at Red Hill and their families will be there. and then, you know, later on we'll be at another venue. And so that piece, you know, sign waving is a part of it. These conversations are a part of it. And they're all for the same reason. They're out, they're all to give an opportunity for the citizens of Hawaii

to listen to the message, to hear what's possible, that there's hope, that there's hope for Hawaii. You know, obviously the real true hope comes from the King of Heaven, but politically there's hope for change. And I don't mean that by way of, we had a previous president who ran on hope for change. Well, that's not the change that I'm recommending, nor is it the one that will occur. So the change that we're looking for is really for the people's voice back through honest government, through good policy, through accountability, through common sense. So these are what we're about this day.

And we're going to ramp up hard for the rest of this month and internet. We're looking for, we're working on some TV spots. We're still trying to underwrite these things. So fundraising is a big point, big element. So a lot going on. Thank you for that question. Yeah, of course. Of course.

I, you know, I think I admire your history as a builder. And I think that that plays well into building a new future for people, be it through government, relationships, or just even contacts daily. Another part about being a builder that I think fits into today's narrative is this potential for a huge recession coming. Things are looking pretty bleak for not only for everybody throughout the state, throughout the nation. And you've been in Hawaii for, what, 30 years now?

42 years. 42 years. You've seen some of the housing crisis and you've seen some of the downturns. What do you think we can look for if indeed the recession hits hard in Hawaii? And how will that affect your campaign and government in Hawaii? You know, I've actually been thinking about this. for several weeks now, thinking about what it will be what it will be like to govern in 23. You know, the prospects don't look good on paper.

When you look at the fact that we have, like you, as mentioned, you know, over 8% inflation. In Hawaii, people don't actually realize it, but we've been living on COVID money for the last two years, gluts of money, you know, into billions. All of our agencies, all these construction projects, all of these capital improvement project for the state, for the city, for the Department of Education. And I'm not talking about just construction projects in the residential or commercial area. I'm talking about government funded projects, unemployment benefits, you know, big deposits from the federal branch into Hawaii. That's going to run out. So not only do we have these three, we have a perfect storm brewing, to be honest with you, George. You have an ever increasing budget. You saw probably last week, June 1st, this city council,

passed the Honolulu budget. They raised the budget by $220 million. They added 500 plus permanent employees. They gave themselves a raise. All at the same time when you have, they know that they're running out of the COVID money. They know inflation is around, it's already here and it's around the corner.

And you have a decreasing population base, the taxpaying base is actually shrinking in Hawaii. So what do I see? I see some rough conversations in the, future. I'm thinking, I thought to myself, really? You want to be governor under those circumstances? But the answer is yes, because what we actually need is we need proper allocation of these funds, and this is what we don't have. The idea that we didn't, that $2.15 billion is not enough to run a state. Somebody said to me last night at an event, why don't we just give everybody in the state

a million dollars? I thought, that's a crazy idea. But then I started thinking about it. You know, we're going to, we have a $15 billion and budget. We have 1.5 million people. The math seems to work out. I know I'm talking crazy. But my point is, not that that's, and I told the guy, I said, you know, that's an interesting concept. I'm sure it does not pencil out because, you know, numerous reasons.

Right. Right. On the other hand, what he was really alluding to, and he didn't actually realize it, but he was actually alluding to such bad management of the resources. not just the financial ones, but every resource that we have in Hawaii is managed so poorly that there's so much waste. I'm not even talking about corruption. I'm just talking about bad administrative policy and structure.

And so there's going to be a lot of belt tightening, getting back to your original question, what does it look like? There's going to be some significant cuts. They're going to have to be implemented. And I don't want to necessarily be the one to do that. On the other hand, I don't mind doing that because this is. is what wisdom does. You have to look back at history and actually take that into account. That's what we don't have in our political systems. You have people who just, hey,

so what if this happened before? We're going to spend money like it didn't happen before. So, you know, the federal policies, the Biden administration policies, the implication in Hawaii is magnified because of our geographical location in the world. So this is, you know, I'm anticipating some rough time. I really am. Yeah, I agree. And it's, when you say it's a perfect storm, not only is it a monetary and fiscal problem, but it's a, it's a demographic problem, too.

You know, there's so many of our young kids that got shipped out of here because they have nothing to do. And now you have a somewhat of an aging population and there's no trough to feed at. And when there's no plenty coming, I like what you said about having the courage to do something because I think far too many people, they, you know, if nothing ever gets better until you admit something's wrong. But we have all these people in the big house down there that just seem to be like, hey, this is great. There's nothing wrong. I wonder, I wonder what kind of strategies we could implement to, do you have any policies that you think you could talk about that would help streamline

some of this, this monetary problems we're having or may have in the future? Well, one of the things that I've been noticing just researching the way, government functions and I'm talking about at the department level is what you notice is you'll find in the Department of Health things like waste water this is under the Department of Health you find what you find is you find this cross-administrating of all types of policy where every department has a hand in it right so when you go to resolve a problem you can't just go to the stakeholders you have to go to people and agencies that are completely unrelated and then they they have an entire staff and administrative staff to manage their unrelated peace.

So one of the things that needs to happen is within the policies. So why isn't water use in DLNR? Why isn't the water management system in the department that's supposed to manage our resources, right? It's in the Department of Health. So these kinds of multiplicity of management's administrations, they overlay. But when you get into them, you find out that, yes, in fact, DLNR is in water management, and so is Department of Health, and so is Department of Education.

I was looking at the Department of Education's site the other day and looking at the ESER funds, whether you know about the ESSR funds, are over a billion dollars that come in, their federal money, they're directed through the Department of Education. But looking into their budget last year, Department of Education spent $300,000 at the Ellison Onizuka Memorial on the Big Island. Now, what exactly, how do you make that connection? How does this make sense for a community whose resources are already stretched? The resources have been given from the federal government.

They're being mismanaged by through the Department of Education. Because this is the way our government hides money. Each department has its own little pet project and it somehow fits, they take a number of people who understand the requirements that are put on an agency to release federal funds. They somehow move, I shouldn't say this somehow, it's not that vague, actually. They move things around within the administrative piece of that department until what they want to do somehow fits the criteria to release the funds. It has nothing to do with education, but you have to utilize loopholes and interesting strategies. and nomenclature and use these things and all of a sudden your pet project, the Department of

Education's project at Ellis and Onizuka Memorial, all of a sudden we're giving them $300,000. Now, do I love the memorial there? Of course I do. It's a treasure. It's a national treasure. Should the Department of Education be funding this? Doesn't seem like education to me. This is just one example of thousands of examples, both from six,

high six-figure stuff to, you know, $800,000, $50,000, $20,000. These things add up. You go to the grocery store. You start filling up that grocery sack. That $4 thing, $6 thing, $12 thing, all of a sudden you get your bag of groceries. It's $112. It adds up. This is what the government does not get.

So do we need to have a look at the way structure is? Absolutely. to be a major reorganization and a reprioritation of accountable government that's actually related to the resources that are being allocated. Yeah, that's really well said. Another shifting gears a little bit, you know, as I drive around, I spend a lot of time on the road. And I have noticed an incredible amount of houses going up for sale. And the ones that aren't going up for sale are being remodeled to be flipped, you know, and it's, I think we are in for a really interesting time. time when it comes to housing. Everybody knows that the affordability in Hawaii is,

I don't think that's the right word, that should even be in the same sentence with it. However, if interest rates go up and the price of housing comes down, you know, all of us taxpayers, the city, the state, are getting so much money from the revenue from taxpayers and, you know, home costs that or property taxes that they can't afford for housing to come down. How do you think we begin to work on this housing debacle that we have here in Hawaii? How long was our program? You know, there's some fundamental. You're talking about change, right?

Right. Obviously, the underlying issue is supply and demand. We just want to be honest around. We have a limited supply. We have an ever-growing demand of exceedingly wealthy people who are able to write a check to pay for an hour. for $1.1.5.2 million. This is unheard of. This is inconceivable to me. I don't know how people buy houses anymore. I could not buy a house like that people are buying houses because they have a lot of money that's come out of whatever, whatever bank accounts they have, whatever resources they have.

And they're writing checks for cash and driving up the cost of having. Local families, my family, our kids, they left Hawaii. They could not afford this. So supply and demand, first of all, bad policy. You have DLNR and the state restricting assets, real estate, keeping it out of the development picture. So one thing that has to be done is there has to be more state land set aside for development. And it can't just be development for 8A projects that are working in tax credits. You've seen this thing on Maui the other day. These people were like shocked because somebody raising their rent from $1,200 to $2,200. dollars. What they don't realize is the reason it's being risen is because there was a tax credit

contract years before that a number of partners came together did these housing developments so they can maintain low rent. But those those requirements have a sunset date. When that sunset date comes to pass, the developer or the owner of this of this property can do whatever he wants with the rates. And so they go to market value. So, the idea that we're going to do development and use tax credits and all of these sophisticated investment ideas without having some reality for the people, it has a cost. People don't realize this. So there's bad policy. What I'm referring to is we need homeowners to have individual homes where they can have a family. And we need to out. And also one of things I've

been thinking a lot about is the military. The military here has a great deal of positive impact in Hawaii. They spend billions. They're a key element of our economy, not to mention our NASA security, which is obviously paramount. But they also flood the marketplace with military personnel that they do not have enough housing on base. So if you're a homeowner and you want to rent or you're, you know, you're, you're, you're in your home, the ideal renter is a military personnel. They have a large siphon. It's above market cap. It's more than people can afford, but they get it automatically. So one of the things the military needs to do, and this has to go with, has to go with the renegotiation of the lease lands between the military and the state, they need to

actually start investing in more properties, more residential pieces for the military personnel and take the pressure off of the local community. So, I mean, there's a number of things, just driving down the cost of construction through fees, regulations, permits, how about just get a permit? you see all these projects you mentioned a moment ago you see all these projects popping up these projects were these projects were thought of a year ago our economy is suffering simply because we can't bring desired spending to the marketplace because of regulation so housing is a very difficult thing i don't i don't we're never going to see it go back down to six 700 000 it's not going to happen so how how are we going to how is it going to be possible you know the i don't

know that the government or the state of Hawaii somehow. Now, I'm not for that. I'm going to say, you know, there are these loans out there. There are 40, 50 year loans. They're not a 30 year mortgage, which is inconceivable anyway. Right. But there are markets that are implementing long-term loans, making it possible for a lowdown and a long-term loan so that families might be able to afford a property. And maybe there's a criteria where families get a shot. You know, maybe local families get a shot. And honestly, George, I haven't thought this through. Part of what I'm saying comes out of a desperation for the local families.

And it comes up against my principle of liberty. So, I mean, even as I speak, I'm internally conflicted. But the solution is that difficult. So, you know, people who have experience and have understanding and wisdom who see these policies working globally, they are the ones that we must resource for ideas and just for systems and for ideas that will help help this process or this process this problem in Hawaii. So it's a hard question, George.

Supply and demand undermines it all. And the inability for our government to actually maintain cost controls on goods and services, it's out of control and part of it is bad policy. Yeah, it's fascinating. You're right. And I'm thankful because I know I can ask you any question and you'll come straight from the heart and tell me what you think. They are hard questions. And when you get to a level of leadership, the fact is there's no easy questions. You know, especially when you take time to have a little bit of empathy and think through other people's positions. I know in Japan, they have like a hundred year loans. It's not uncommon for a multi-generational family to have this one house and maybe in three generations to get paid. It's get paid off. And so it's interesting. And I think you're right, it would do us all a lot of good to understand how different parts of the worlds have solved a similar problem. I was curious, do you know, I do not know what the unemployment rate is in Hawaii. I think we're pretty low. However, it seems to me that there's quite a few people that are dependent upon

the government. So those two things kind of seem to be in conflict, you know. And I'm just, it seems it if we do have a downturn and we have a housing issue and we have this odd dichotomy, I don't see how people can even begin to climb up the ladder of social mobility. It seems almost impossible. What do you think? Yeah, you know, well, traditionally, unemployment in Hawaii has been low. You know, it's actually been quite good nationally, comparatively. It's been low. But you're right. The way unemployment is countered in Hawaii is also interesting. It's not actually, it's based on unemployment claims. So if you're a person who's living on unemployment, who's already receiving unemployment,

you're not a part of that equation. The people who are already receiving services, they're not those who are, quote, unemployed. We currently don't have any checks and balances. We have no end date on unemployment. It used to be, and I'm sure you remember this, that when a person wanted to have unemployment benefits, they had to go look for a job. Part of the criteria for receiving the benefit was to show an unemployment, officer that, yeah, I went to, I went to Kingdom Builders. I went to Zippies and I went to Lex

Brody's looking for a job. Look, here's my, here's my job application. It's not that way anymore. Now you just sign up. There's no requirement. And so these people are actually living on unemployment. It's no longer a hand up. It's a handout. So the idea of unemployment was in the past and and it's an inception was a temporary hand up. So the people who fell on hard times had some assistance from the government to say, okay, you know, we need to help for the next 60 days. Turns out my car broke and I broke my arm and I can't work. And if I don't have some assistance, you know, not only are we're not going to have a place

to live, but we're not going to eat. So that makes sense. But it was limited. There was a number of days. Now you're describing something completely different. We have an entire segment of our. society who lives on unemployment, who lives on social benefits. And these benefits are what are drying up. People don't realize that over this last, well, unemployment globally has been out of

control because of COVID. There's been no way to manage the resources. I read a study, an audit, on how COVID money was spent in Hawaii that was in the SSSR funds audit. And they, so they graded Hawaii on how they read how they distributed these funds across the across the spectrum and the only areas where they had great deal of concern was in the unemployment benefits is that's where they spent two billion dollars in Hawaii the federal government spent I believe it's two billion dollars in Hawaii giving unemployment benefits to the citizens who all lost their jobs our governor crushed this state 13 14,000 businesses closed how many

jobs are that? How many people went home? How many people in our state were actually, actually all of a sudden, you know, decided they were non-essential. Go home. You're not working. Why did they do that? Because they had asset, S are funds to back it up. Now, all these people no longer have a job. There's no longer a business. And so where are they going to go back to? I'm getting into your question, your comment. Where are they going to go back to work when the S are gone? So we're, you know, we're headed for rough times. I'm not sure exactly the state can't underwrite this.

The state, what are the state going to do? The state's going to raise your taxes. This is exactly what they're going to do. And they're going to put, they're going to bring front and center the suffering of the people to justify raising your taxes. And what I'm saying is, no, the state must look at their spending and reallocate the funds properly to support people who actually need the benefit, not those who are living there. We must have a system where the people who can work participate in society.

It's the only equation that makes sense. It's the only equation that brings order. Everything else will bring more dependency and more burden on the few that are able to pay. And you know what? A max access will occur. It's happening now, but you wait. You wait two years. two years until all of this stuff that we're talking about comes to fruition. People who are

leaving Hawaii now, there'll be a lot more people leave in Hawaii. Yeah, it's my family is, I'm originally from California and I've, you know, every time I call back to my parents, my parents stole some houses, they left there, all kinds of family members. You know, they just have this. And it seems to me, unfortunately, that Hawaii tends to find themselves in a similar financial situation is California, and it seems they choose the same remedies sometimes. And if we can use California as a mirror to look into the, no, mirror, as a view into the future, you can kind of see what the policies are going to create. And there will be a mass exit. It is on top of that, it seems to breed more crime. I've noticed where I, where I am out on the road all the day,

there's been an upsurgeon crime of people just driving around, case and houses, and they're becoming more brazen. You see people going into people's house during the day or going into the garages and just pulling into their garage and taking stuff. It's if you look around the nation, you can see stuff in Chicago where people are going in and into stores and stealing. And it's, it's, you know,

when you have a bunch of people that don't have anything else to do and they don't have any money, you know, it just seems to be a good idea. It's called a mob mentality. We have to start getting honest about what's actually going on. Right. You see, you see all these policies.

from the federal government bringing in immigrants and just putting on airplanes or buses and send them to cities and dumping them in the cities. Ultimately, they don't assimilate into the community. They create their own community. So what's the problem with that? It seems fine. It seems reasonable. But where they've come from are lands that are in political chaos, and they know no difference. We have a, you know, I had a, I had a National Guard person approached me the other night, on the side after an event. And he said, what's going on with this? I see these airplanes coming in here, dropping people in the middle of the night.

And now you see this rise of groups of men, smash and grab mentality, right? This is exactly the culture that they come from. I'm not saying it across the board. And when people watch it, so a lot of them go like, wow, Gary, that's a pretty radical statement. That's pretty judgmental. That's pretty critical. But you know what? We better get honest.

this is what this is exactly what's going on you know and these these young men are coming in from other cultures that the way they do things there is they fight it out they they use weapons and and these cultures are being brought into hawaii and the problem is they're not they're not assimilating with the aloha spirit of hawai and so when they see something they just take it and the problem there's no attorney general here or there is an attorney general but the Attorney General doesn't prosecute crime. It's not a priority. In Hawaii, it's still on Governor Ege's desk, a no bail law.

So if you've come here from another country, and that's what the other country is how they live their lives. Just think about this. And you come here and you break in and you steal something. You walk into Safeway. You're brazen. You take whatever you want. You go to the alcohol line.

You grab a couple of bottles. you go grab some stakes and you grab some stuff on the way out and you walk out the door. Not only are they usually not arrested because there's nobody to arrest them, but there's no charges brought and there's no bail. So if they are arrested, they're out the next day. No bail law. They're arrested and released. What is the message?

The message is chaos. The message is chaos. And you're seeing it. What you see in Chicago and the other interstate. cities, it's on its way. The birth pains are all around us. You see it on on on on local Facebook accounts. It went through Kailua just the other day. Somebody went down Kailua just smashing windows almost like it's a hobby. So we need an attorney general who actually tell the prosecutors we must prosecute and we need a governor who actually understands

that his job is to bring equal justice to the people. people. He's supposed to create the governor and the government's job is to create a safe environment where if you want to walk, go out and walk with your wife and your kids at five o'clock in the afternoon after work. It's safe. This is what we want. This is what's required. This is what is this. This is a requirement. So that's a gloomy picture. I'm not painting. I may be painting a gloomy picture, but I'm telling you until like you said, until we're willing to admit it and get honest about it, we'll never change. Yeah, I think it's an interesting picture. I think that there's a, I think you've painted a beautiful foreground, but I think there's a bit

of a background as far as the Chamber of Commerce is in on there. I think that there's a lot of industry here that relies on incredibly cheap labor and that, you know, it wasn't too long ago we've seen the debacle with Alune Farms. And there's, from what I have read about policy, it seems to me that if you can bring in working age people that are willing to work for less, you can have an automatic tax hike, you know, so to speak, that they're not paying into the system, they're paying into the system, but they're not getting anything back. And it seems the long-term ramifications of that are, be damned, we don't care, we want the money now. And it's another interesting part is usually the first generation of immigrants

tend to be incredibly hardworking people, but it's the children of those, the second generation, that are not really accepted by the community and see the disparity that become, you know, disheartened or upset or something like that. I think there's a huge behavioral as well as cultural melee there that is not talked about. It is. It is this disparity. But I think there's some blame to be shared by the lobbyist and the industries that want incredibly cheap labor.

Would you agree to that? That's always been the conversation. It's been a kind of a national conversation. There's been that lobbying effort, at least been identified, that says corporate America wants cheap labor and they want open borders. Right. There's that one side of that coin. And then the other side of the coin is that we want immigrants, we want people who are not, who are not assimilated into communities as a voting base. And this one is, so there's two sides.

of the cone coin they both rely on the same base it's the same problem it's a win-win for them basically the republican party has been said it has been said about this let's be honest the republican party has been said we need immigrants and cheap labor to run business and government to read to generate resources the democratic party wants these same people but they want a voting base and they so the carrot is a job and a step up right the other one is free stuff and social benefits. These are the two pendulum things, right? Neither of them are satisfactory. Agreed. So what we have now, and there's another component that very few people are talking about, and that's talking about what kids learned over the last two years sitting at home on their computers.

They learned cryptocurrency and what it means to trade from their homes. And right now, even though crypto is taking a big hit in the market, right? In some stuff, and I've talked to people who actually know, there's 400,000 youth in the state, that would typically come into the workforce. They're at McDonald's. They're on the farm. They're, you know, they're, they're at pay less or whatever, right? They're entry-level pay grade employment pieces, right? They're dishwashers. They're working in the restaurant and the hotel industry. Those kids are staying home. The biggest, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, So that's why state government continues to grow. Yeah.

They keep hiring these kids, giving them a job because their auntie said, my son needs a job. So they talk to their uncle. Their uncle happens to be in the HR department for the Department of Health. Oh, shoot, we need a job. So let's hire five, the city and county, 500 new employees for FY23. Well, we have a shrinking population. Our island didn't grow. Why do we need 500 more jobs?

So there's things going on. You have a lack of kids coming into the marketplace to work because there's a different way now. Yeah. You have the state government gobbling up the other kids because they offer them medical and a pension plan. And then you have the corporate piece of the middle wondering, where's all the workers, which is driving up the wage? And so we don't, you know, this idea that we need a mandatory minimum, the marketplace will adjust that. I can assure you, this idea that we're going to somehow come up with that, arbitrate, number, whether it's 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, $25 an hour. That's the new, that's the new mandatory

minimum. This is, this is foolishness. The market will set the rate. It will. And it happens all the time. I have people who work for me and they say, wow, you know, so-and-so is making $60 an hour. And I go, really? Are you kidding? $50 an hour? Really? It's shocking to me. I mean, I remember that was like, you know, unbelievable number. But the market is driving that. You know, so that's what capitalism is, not socialism. Yeah. All of these conversations that you're mentioning, George, they're all there.

These roots, the problem with these roots are found in socialism and honestly in communism. The idea that we're bringing these principles into our marketplace on a national scale is transforming our society and dumbing down our population and creating a, quote, stable class. That's a new line. I've never heard it before. It's a stable class. They don't live on merit and they don't have any vision for the future. Right. But they're thankful that they can still eat and have a place to live. That's exactly what it is. That's socialism at work. So and politicians, they don't mind taken from the few that have. We constantly hear this conversation. Let's tax the rich. I'm not a rich man, but let's tax the rich. certainly they can pay a greater share

as though they don't pay the vast majority now they do the problem with socialism was when you run out of rich people's monies there's no money money left you've taken all the resources right yeah and so this is where we need change when I declared my candidate super governor I said I want to bring I'm going to bring

righteousness back to the head of government righteousness is always interpreted as a religious term Yes, it is a religious term, but it's principled. Right, right. True religion is principled behavior. Agreed. How to have equal justice in a society? How do I have merit pay?

Those who want to work, they actually receive the benefit from their pay. Yeah. You know, accountable government where your resources, your taxpayer, your money, George, actually is allocated to what it was a design to do. Right. We don't have false tax collection policies or fees or regulations that go into a, quote, mysterious general fund allocated to waste and convoluted administrative pieces that continue to grow. This is where righteousness actually is it turns into tangible reality. So, and this is a social rebirth.

Yeah. Of what was, right? Yeah. Yeah, so I ramble a lot on this. I'm sorry. I love it, Gary. I enjoy the conversation and I enjoy hearing different points of view. And I think that, you know, wouldn't it be amazing?

Like, let's say you have to pay your property taxes or you pay your tax at the end of the year. Wouldn't it be amazing if there was a box you could tick? Like, I want 40% of my taxes to go to roads, 30% to go to education. Why can't we have that? Like, why can't people tell the government we want our tax to go here? We don't want it to go to this fund. We want ours to go here. It's our money.

It's our government. This is where I want my money to go. Like, there's no reason why you can't have that. And if you did have that, you could start really making some ways in the corporate or in the government structure of how things are done. And I also agree that, you know, what we have right now is crony capitalism. We don't have a form of capitalizing working. If we did, everyone would be a lot happier. When everyone's making money, people seem to be happy.

And one last note that I was thinking is when there's a crisis, when there is a breakdown in society, it often presents us with an opportunity to not only fix that which broke, but to reimagine how something works. I've been talking with some people at my daughter's school about kids graduating with a residual income. And there's no reason why that can't happen. There's no reason why a young kid that's eight can't work with a group of their kids, start working on ideas for a business, maybe be sponsored by the school and they could put that business together. There's ways we can change education so that kids, when they graduate, they have a functioning understanding of the true reality that is the world we live in.

It doesn't need to be unicorns and rainbows and black and white and oppressed and rich. It doesn't need to be that. It needs to be, here's the skills I have to function in this world. I don't care what you look like. I think that's plausible out there. And I think we do have some real opportunities ahead of us. What are some opportunities that you see moving forward that we can work on? You got good questions today, George.

You have great answers, and I want us to be better. You know, first of all, I think you're right. I think the education system is misdirected. Rather than equipping, it's become into a grooming piece, right? So now we have this idea that we're going to make everybody kumbaya and that the panacea of a graduate is that they love everybody, but they have no skill set. They can't even read and write. You know, we had an education forum just the other night.

We have a weekly Zoom call, by the way. You should come on Monday, we had one on Monday night. This focus was education. Sometimes they're general, sometimes they're topic. We had one on education. We had a couple of educators come on first. But why? Because they're wise.

They've been in the education system for 30. 35 years. Why wouldn't we hear from them? So vocational training is what you're talking about. In a sense, there's an idea that you're going to go on to a four year or eight year or a 12 year degree and you're going to be, you know, do some highly technical piece in our society. But there's the vocational piece that train kids that when they don't want to do that, they can go out and get a job and they can actually start participating right then. But the values of understanding both of those are actually the discipline of hard work. Discipline of doing your homework, of doing what's right, of having it graded, making sure

that there's actual, that when you're leaving the eighth grade, you can read and write. Actual proficiency standards that are measurable by grade and they should not be passed on. The equipping of our kids and the misunderstanding of what the education system is for parents is the parents are too busy working in Ohio. Two jobs, two and a half jobs, they send their kids off to school. thinking that their kids are going to be prepared, that when they graduate from high school, they can go get a job. They cannot. So the underlying issue is they're not being equipped by the education system.

They're being groomed and passed through. That's why Hawaii's predominantly decade, year over year over decade ranks at the very bottom of proficiency in the U.S. and those standards, the U.S. standards are low. So we're talking about not, I'm talking about a global picture now. We live in a global society. Our kids need to be prepared to compete against kids from Asia, from Germany, from the Netherlands. Kids, you know, our kids are not being, they're not that proficiency test. I don't know if we even make it on the paper.

You know, unless they have a negative zone. This is a breakdown of our education policy. Of those of those who, I'll be honest with you, and there's a lot of people out there, of the labor unions hands. and what a teacher can and cannot do. You know, the more like to have these conversations with educators, they're so frustrated, the educators themselves. They long to bring to the classroom, the enlightenment of a student to see the light bulb go off in a kid's head.

And I know what that looks like. I remember what algebra was like. What is X plus Y to the second power? What does that mean? It's so ethereal. But when all of a sudden the light bulb goes off and you realize that your effort as a teacher actually transatlose, into a revelation for a student, boom, that's what they long for.

That's why they join the profession. But we have a system now that the teacher does not have the liberty or the freedom or the process to actually be the gift that they are. Instead, you shall teach X and Y. And if they don't know it, that's okay. Pass them through. Shouldn't reflect on us. I recently read a Board of Education Director 13 years sat on the BEOE.

You know what his great quote was when he was done? Nobody lost their job on my watch. You laugh, but I'm dead serious. And that is a nightmare because we have teachers out there, honestly, they're not there to teach kids. They're waiting for their retirement. They've lost the passion and the vision. And this guy's declaration, nobody's lost their job on my watch.

a union leader in the education department. You know, if people are unwilling to shift and step up to the plate, like you said, it's like it's going forward, but going forward without understanding the past is unwise. Both things have to happen concurrently. You must understand the past in a way things should have been. We have this woke thing. We're tearing down statues of Jefferson. We're renaming schools in Hawaii.

because it's not politically correct, as though history doesn't matter? And we wonder why we have bad policy going forward because we don't take into account what actually worked in the past. Or even maybe it didn't work. Maybe that's the example. Yeah.

So either way, either way I'm confident, I didn't answer your question. No, I think we did. I think we got on education, and I think we talked about, I think what I took out of it that was positive is that we must focus on the things that unite us instead of constantly being diverted by things that divide us.

You know, if we focus on that which unites us, we can find common ground. We can see in each other that we are, in fact, part of each other. We can see that we have, there's a vision that all of us want. You know what, like the redneck is not far away from the hippie. You know, they're the same person. They want their government to leave them alone. They want to be in their own areas. You know, they kind of want the same thing, but it's just this constant level of call it propaganda or call it lobbying, call it whatever you want, but it's division.

But the most people I talk to, and I wonder if you have found this, if you sit down with somebody, regardless of what color tie they wear or where they're from, if you sit down and have dinner with them and they're both nice people, you're probably going to find some, we're pretty similar in some ways. You might even find a really engaging fun conversation because you don't agree. And those are the best ones. People are like that. But we're being divided. And I think you bring that, Gary. I've been watching some of the Instagram videos. And I've seen you out and about and talking to people.

And your beautiful grandkids, make you want to cry. They're so awesome talking about it's beautiful. But I see you talking to different people, be it teachers, be it union members, be it guys like me or nurses. You've been to the hospital quite a bit. And it seems what I'm hearing is that a lot of people are frustrated. And that's the common ground. And I have big hopes.

And I want to know what else we can do to help. I know we're getting short on time. Is there anything else you want to touch on that we didn't talk about? You know, I like what I think we have a couple more minutes. But I do have, I would like to say something about you just said about common ground. And it is absolutely true. I purposely go out and talk to people who have a completely different political perspective. you know. Let's be honest, I'm a right-leaning guy. I'm a conservative. I look conservative principles.

I purposely sit with the most left-leaning people. We actually have lunch. Yeah. I actually purposely set up meetings. And we have this conversation, the one that you just described. And they'll ask certain questions, you know, that they know are hard for conservatives to answer. And we'll have a conversation. At the end of these. at the end of these times, we find out, and they find out, I find out and they find out that on about 85% of things that matter, we agree. And they were hung up on a couple of small issues. And I say, okay, so we don't agree about this, but we agree with all this.

How about we agree to work together on the 85%? And let's let that 15% work its way out. rather than just wipe my hands of you, write you off as irrelevant or uncaring or bigoted or whatever, let all that stuff go. You know, this is exactly what you're talking about, that we find common ground. That's why I'm not running for a Republican. I'm not running for a Democrat. I'm not running for an independent.

I am not going to be the pastor of the state. This is a run for the people that we would reason together and gather wisdom. We were at event last night in La E.A. It was a get out the vote event, Kapana played. It was great. You know, it was from 5 to 10 p.m. It was fantastic. There was, you know, re-election campaigns.

And one of them was for an OHA person, a re-election campaign. And so I listened to her carefully when she shared. And I said to her afterwards, she came and introduced herself. We talked for a few minutes. And I said, you know, I've been thinking a lot about OHA. And I've been thinking about a lot about how OHA works with Bishop Estate and Bishop Estate works with Hawaiian homelands. I said, the three of you share the same value you want to help the Hawaiian people. I can tell you as governor, and she's listening at this point, I can tell you as governor, I am going to lobby and we're going to reason together so that these three massive financial institutions can come together and actually create policy to develop the ground that the state keeps saying they're going to develop.

And so she started going to this rabbit hole of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, you know what? I can assure you that these are the conversations that have to be exercised in humility, a willingness to say, I don't have the answers. Bring your nuggets to the table. Let's put them on the table and let's arrange them for the benefit of the people. There's plenty of resource. There's plenty of abundance.

What there's a lack of is humility and willing to say, What's the objective, that which we understand and agree on together? I can assure you this Hawaiian homeland's lease piece is not serving the Hawaiian people. These land leases for ag are not serving the local farmer. These are being withheld by stakeholders who think that they must hang on the little bit that they have as though it's a little bit. Rather than getting clear about the objective, the welfare of the people of Hawaii, whether it be the Hawaiian population, whatever population base it is, whether it's in the education system, whether it's in the Department of Health system, it's the same conversation. Getting clear about what's important and setting aside that which is a distraction and identifying the corruption that's taking the resources out of underneath at all, the legs out.

The creating of division in our society. We see it from top down now. You see it in presidential politics. You see it in neighborhood boards. The entire spectrum is now divided upon those who think that they need to play a stingy game. I'm going to hold mine. And if I can't have mine, you can't have yours either. This is envy.

This is the fruit of envy. The idea that there's not enough. This is what must change. This is what righteous leadership brings, the ability to articulate that there's more than enough, but we must walk in humility and honor for one another, that we would honor one another and make change for the good. It's what you said, a future, a hope worth having. Yeah. It is possible, George.

I can tell you, hope is on the way. Because I can tell you, God will honor this. And so there is a religious component. there is a supernatural and spiritual component. I would to be honest with you, if God be for us, who can be against us? So we need his presence in the heart of man that we would reverence one another

out of honor one another out of reverence for him. Right. And when we have that, we'll see change. Until we have that, we'll have more of the same. That is really, really well put. I don't have too much to add to that.

I think honor thy relationship is something that everybody should live by, and whether it's with your wife or your husband or your partner or your kids or your work or whoever, if you honor the relationship, you honor yourself and you honor the community. And I think I am really happy to be talking to you, Gary, and I think you're doing a great job getting the word out. And I think when people hear conversations like we just had, especially this last part where we talk about uniting people and we're not red, we're not left. We're for the people. And there is abundance. I don't see how anybody can find something negative in there.

And that's such a great conversation. Can you imagine if you had one of these lunches you go to, say you sit down with Josh Green or somebody. And you guys just sat down and you had, I don't know, 1,000 people, 500 on both sides. and you worked out that 85%. I mean, what an incredible conversation, what an incredible act of statesmen, what an incredible act of setting an example for young people to see about how to be a leader.

And I know you're reaching out and I know what you're doing. I hope other politicians or people running, listen to this and want to be part of a conversation that helps everybody. It's not afraid to speak. It's not afraid to be wrong. It's not afraid to admit they're wrong.

I wish they were more like that. So thank you very much. I appreciate it. Well, you know, George, I think the beauty of speaking your mind, this is the beauty. You get sifted. Yeah. You actually, some will actually say, really? Explain that to me. And you realize, I can't actually explain that.

Because it's not actually anchored in reality. It's just kind of like your own, what you've made up over your life's experiences. And you get sifted. And it's an invitation for correction. Yeah. That we wouldn't be so prideful that we wouldn't say, wow. I can tell you, George, in so many ways, there's so much sifting that needs to go on. And it's an invitation.

Even in our conversation, I'm like, wow, that's great. I'll go away from this conversation and I'll rethink these things. And I'll think, is that really what you think? Because it's just an conversation. But ultimately, in that sifting process, wisdom comes forward. And then you can actually have understanding. and when you have understanding, you can actually implement your understanding to policy. That's where we're running.

That's the run that we're suggesting. And I know we're going to close it. I'm going to shameless plug for a moment. Yeah, please. You know, I would invite all of your listeners. We have a Monday night Zoom call. You got to go to our website, Gary Quarterie for governor. Right.com.

You can go on the website. You can actually get the link. for the Zoom call. Tonight we're having a live telephone town hall. There'll be 20,000 invitations to go out. This will happen again. It's too late to get on it now. But if you wanna do that,

you can email info at Gary Cordery for governor. You can email the campaign. You know, we're doing walk books or walking neighborhoods. If you wanna, listen, if your people wanna have me there, you press volunteer on our homepage. And then there's a meet and greet button. You just press meet and greet. Now the schedule's filling up.

There's not many slots left. But even you, George, get 20, 30, 40, 50, 200 of your friends together. And let's set up something in the backyard. And I'll come. Set up a team. We'll bring a team. They'll set it up. I'll talk for 20 minutes and I'll open the floor.

It's open floor questions, whatever they're going to ask. And we'll dialogue. We'll do what we've been talking. We'll reason together. And it's a great way. And we do them we do them several a week sometimes more than one in a day. So you know, we're out there We're reaching for people you can participate on numerous levels and then you can write a check You know you know you can hit the donate button I can tell you that we're trying to raise resources so that we can get TV out there

It's a big it's a big investment but that it is an investment It's not throwing your money to the wind When you in when you donate to our campaign, you're investing in your future. The people on this, you're cakey, your grandkids. When we win, you will be the benefactor. And so how to underwrite this, it requires, it requires the folks. Yeah. And the max donation, I'll be honest with you, we shouldn't be afraid, I shouldn't be afraid to ask the max donation in Hawaii, $6,000 per person or $12,000 per couple. Many people have the resources to do that if they have the vision.

But even $20 helps. So I'm not minimizing. I'm not suggesting there's a criteria for that. I'm just saying that that's the max. If you can check the max, then it would be really helpful because we're just starting to underwrite, bringing a professional team here to do light,

to do TV videos so that when we're ready, it'll be ready. So anyway, so a lot of plugs right there. Yeah, get to the campaign. Go to the website, check it out. And one more time, What was the, can you tell me about the name of the website again? Gary Quarterie for governor.

It's all spelled out. Gary Quarterie, F-O-R for governor. And there's plenty of ways to participate, whether you can spend some time, do the meet and greets, if you can donate. There's tons of ways that you as someone in the community can help make your community better. But it does involve, it does involve getting up and getting out.

And however you choose to do it, I hope everybody chooses to participate because we're going to get the future that we deserve. and right? Yeah. So, well, that's what we got for today, ladies and gentlemen. You know what? I had one more quick point is I'm big on words in etymology. And when I hear you say it's about understanding, I think, God, that's so great.

Here's a guy who's a builder who literally understands, like, what does it, what does understand mean? It means to be underneath and looking up at the thing you're building, like you're understanding. So you can see if there's any problems, if there's any corruption, you know, so I'm like, God, it's so perfect. He's understanding. He's a builder.

Like, it's so crazy that you use the right word that it blows my mind. But thank you. This is what I mean just now, like a revelation for me. I never thought of that before, but it's so good. And it's not an accident. I just got a, you know, I just got a request from a client. We need a cash flow chart. Yeah.

To the schedule. Right. People don't understand that, but you have a construction project. You need to schedule. You need to know when you should show up, when the sub show up. And the owner said, we need a cash flow schedule. So we know how, so we assure that we, that we have the funds in place so that when the time comes at the end of the month, we can write you a check. And so you have to actually have to go through the process of looking at the schedule, you know, coordinating it with what the value of that work that's done in that month, and then write it out on a schedule and give it to the owner.

Well, this first month, you're going to have to write a check for $40,000 because this is the things that we're going to accomplish this month. then he knows as an owner, as a state, right? It's the same thing. Cash flow schedule is a biannual, not a biannual budget, but an annual budget. This is another thing in Hawaii. Why are we using biannual budgets every two years? Think about this. What does that open yourself up to as an entity? The Board of Education has a biannual budget, not an annual, but every two years they're budgeting, right? They're thinking every, a biannual budget, right? So this kind of thinking is, it's not, that's not a cash flow schedule.

They don't actually understand what we're buying and why we're buying and when we're going to need to afford it. So these, these elements that you're discussing as a builder, understanding how to actually execute a contract in relationship to the actual project, a finish date, and the vision for the project. It's all part of the deal. So good one. Yeah, you know, bringing this back, it just blows my mind how someone with experience knows how to operate in the world where if you just enter the world of politics and you stay there, you don't ever really experience the real life world where, you know, there is no safety net.

There is no, you know, there is no cushy walls of government to protect you from the big, bad, that is the world around you that'll eat you up and spit you out and doesn't really care. You know, and when you have someone who spent their life in the private sector going into politics, when you say cash flow and cash charts, I just started thinking like, I bet you a lot of people in positions of authority, just pawn that off to the secretary or someone lower. And that's when all the hands start coming out and taking and taken and taken. Because the guy at top, just, okay, yeah, do that.

But if you're the guy on top that actually knows how to do it, you just streamline the whole process. you probably cut 12 people along the way. When I see project costs come in, I know absolutely right off the bat. This is not real. There you go. So why is this, why are we spending so much money on the foundation?

Why is it $70 a square foot when it should be $22? Why is that? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because if you don't, if you don't, in the real world, Right. You don't have a real competitive bid price, an RFP, a request for proposal. If you don't have a competitive one, you don't get the job. Yeah. So you're by nature, you have to actually account for exactly what's going on.

You have to understand the project. You have to understand its complexity. You have to understand the components. All of those fit into the schedule, because if the schedule means the year, it's a night work, that means all of your labor things are time and a half. And so this is how it is. This is private, the private market. This is capitalism.

This is why capitalism works for society because it requires the discipline of understanding the target, the cost, and the time frame allowed to complete the project. These are the basic components of a good project. This is the basic components of a good yearly budget. There's no difference. The stakes are different. The players are different.

but the underlying strategy is the same. You know, we have it. We have all of these people, you asked these people, you said, you know, administrative officers. That's not how it's done. The legislators get a request from the Department of Education. Can we please have $2 billion? They never look at the $2 billion.

They look at what they spent last year and they think, well, things must cost more. Okay. Okay, that seems makes sense to me. It's a feel good thing. And the voter goes, wow, my representative really gave it to them. They said no. They said no to one half of one percent of their request, not realizing that, you know, 18, 18 percent, 20 percent went down the toilet.

That's reality. Yeah. That's what's going on. Enough. Yep. Enough. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

I just, like you said, there's going to do some tough conversations that need to be had, but I think they, I think people are willing to have them if we can just sit down and come up with that 85%. You know, and I think even people in positions of authority, if we can sift, if we have the integrity to be honest with ourselves and just do what we're doing right now, if we all got together and had a conversation, here's what's going on, here's the way I see it. Oh, well, you're wrong. there, here's the way I see it. Okay, what about that? Like, there's such an abundance here to be had. And I think that one, the biggest problem that most of us share is that we feel like we're not being heard. Like, no one's listening. People are looking at us and not listening. Like, they just,

maybe they're afraid to go on camera and say what they think because they're beholden or they need a favor or something like that. But I bet if you took a poll across the board between Republican, Democrat, independent, Hawaiian, Japanese. If you just took a poll amongst everybody, I bet you most people would feel like no one's listening. No one cares. And that's not true. I mean, I'm talking to a guy right now that cares.

You know what? You know what? I think you're right, George. And this is exactly one of the issues in our, the breakdown and the reason that we have, quote, stakeholders than a community. Stakeholders is a nice way of saying, this is my piece.

this is what I want, right? This is the group I represent, and we should have this. And quite frankly, we're willing to throw everything away if we don't get it. We will leverage all a society. We will go on strike. We will stand until I get what I want, the stakeholders, right? And so the other possibility is that we would reason together and consider the target and understand how everybody can participate in achieving the goal.

And paying attention to somebody is exactly what goes on with the local community and its government. This government needs to account for how it has not kept its promises to its people. It's a fundamental in relationship building. You must have authenticity and relationship to have honest conversations. Otherwise, there's no trust. There's no honor. This is the same people asking me the day about Monacaa, the telescope. What do I think about the telescope?

I said, you know what we need to do? The governor needs to account and stand responsible for the broken promises and the betrayal for the Hawaiian people. They made promises and they broke them, period. Let's just have an honest conversation and start there. And when people will account for bad behavior, what I mean by that is a broken promise, then there's a restart.

There's a new possibility. And tell people are willing to do that, the human being in all of us says nope i don't trust this not right and it happens for me all the time i was having a conversation with the lady at the house of the night and she's talking to me and i look away for a second i just look away something happened in her background off to her shoulder and she said do you need to do something you're not looking at me i was like and I loved it. Yeah.

It was like, you are right. I didn't say this to her, but in my spirit, I knew she was right. I knew that she did not have my full attention. Yeah. And it was such a gentle and undirected rebuke. Yeah. My dishonor of her. And I was so grateful.

It doesn't matter what she wanted to talk about. it may have been the least important thing in my mind, but the fact that the matter there's a human being standing in front of me talking to me, that's what's required. We need people like that. Yeah, not afraid to bring you back down. Hey, I'm right over here.

We're living now. Not tomorrow, not yesterday, but we're here right now. So what are I thinking about? Get out of the way. Right in front of your stand in right in front. So there it is. Yeah. Yeah.

seems like an awesome person. I admire that, too. That's something that a lot of us just let go. A lot of us. And when you do that, you kind of decline your own dignity when you don't say anything about it. Yeah, she wasn't actually correcting me. Yeah. It was a sincere out of her, out of the, out of the goodness of just her conscience, just spoke, right out of her mouth. She wasn't, there was no, there was no strategic correction going on. Right. Oh, okay. It was just authentic. It was like, what, do you need to do something? Yeah. I was like, boom, just like that. And I can tell you, I was pierced.

And I was so grateful. Because there are those who will just say, you know, they realize they're being ignored and they'll just like come right at you. Like, you know. Yeah. Which is also, which is also true. Right. I'm saying in the moment to be corrected like that was such.

a gift. This is what I'm saying, this is what I'm saying to you, when we reason together. If you get Josh Green in a room and some other political figures in the room, you actually want to hear. You actually are an invitation. Your art is open, that your palms are open, right? Your arms are not crossed, a position in difference. Then you can make a difference. And this is what we need. This is why we need new leaders. leadership, people who will actually stand unafraid of a difficult conversation, willing to listen and provide leadership where currently we have none. And I'm just being brutally honest. We have no leadership right now. We're a ship where the, where the mast is broken and there's no anchor.

It's a drift. That's not what we need. Yeah. It's, you know, when I, again, with the words, like, you know, when I think of a relationship, you know, you think of that word ship in there and in relation to what, it's like we're in a ship, but people, there's two people in a ship and they're each row in the wrong way. You know what I mean? You're just going in circles, but if you honor the relationship, then you work together, you paddle together. You know, that's the relationship and we're all in relation to each other. This is a giant. ship we're on. And the fact that half the crew wants to go this way and half the crew wants to go that way and the other one's worried about the food and the money and like, hey, get everybody up deck. Get everybody on deck over here. You're going to have to have a little talk. It's on fire. Yeah, the ship's on fire. You guys, we hit an iceberg. Okay, the band's still playing, but we hit an iceberg. We're rearranging those deck chairs. That's right. Yeah. Well, Gary,

you've been gracious with your time. I really enjoy talking to you. And I learn a lot. And I look forward to the future of our government and working together and talking together and building a better community. So thank you from all of my audience. I did have a guy that called and got really mad at me, Gary, about you. And he was, he was a good friend of mine. And he was like, I don't think Gary knows the Constitution.

and you know, I want you to challenge him on this, George. And so we may not have time today, but I might have a list of, I've had a couple people that I've been talking to, a lot of good stuff and some pushback on some things. So I'll get those in order. And next week when we talk, I'll present you with those. Okay. You know, it's good.

I was on the Big Island and a meeting greet, and this lady said, and she said, what about section 13, paragraph 2A in the Constitution? Do you know what that means? And I said to her, you know what? I do not know what that means. I was just honest. I would really, that's specificity. I don't know what that means.

So we had the conversation, and it was good. And ultimately, you know, it was clear. So your friend might be right. There might be things I don't know. But there are building blocks that the purpose for the constitution. I'm pretty clear about that. But I would love to. Fantastic.

I, I, I, yeah. I would love to. I'm going to ask you the question because he's a really awesome guy and he's a he's a he's a really smart guy and he's he's a I really want him on board and I've been talking to him and I think I got him close so we'll see. It would be a great conversation. You mean he captures bees as you're talking about a beekeeper? He raises queen bees and he sends them all over the world.

He has written papers on how to breed the different kinds of bees and he is, I think he's pioneered some ways of changing beehive behavior, which is fascinating to think about. You know, with the bee problem we have here in Hawaii and throughout the world, Hawaii is one of the only habitats that doesn't have a certain type of mite. So it's, it's one of the premier spots that people go to to get bees that are free from mites. And he's a really knowledgeable guy.

So, but yeah, yeah, we'll talk more about it. He's a, it'd be an interesting conversation. Maybe he can change my mind with some B action. I'll tell you what, he's, he's, he's changed my mind on a few things, you know. That's the beauty. He's one of us. I love it. One of us.

So. All right. Okay. Well, tell the family I said hello. I hope you have a great day and I'll get this over to you guys real soon. All right. All right. All right.

Thank you, Gary. Aloha. Oh, bye.