TrueLife - Harmony in Complexity: The Art and Science of Being a Polymath

Episode Date: January 31, 2024

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great thank you a little bit tired but great if i feel the hawaiian energy coming to switzerland even better yeah isn't it interesting and such a wonderful time where i can be in hawaii and you can be in switzerland and we can have a conversation like this yes that's wonderful i agree too what maybe you could give people a little bit of a background on on who you are and and what you got going on these days? I'm, I mean, who I am is always a very deep, and the question I start with what I've done. Yeah.

So I've done quite a few things. My first profession that I learned was photographer. And before finishing it, I started to study medicine. And I specialized in gynecology and obstetrics. And once I had a job that was a bit boring and I couldn't live all my capacity. So instead of getting frustrated, I searched out what to do. And I did a course, a music course where I learned songwriting. I've always been singing with my family as a kid.

I always invented the second voice. My father was a singer. So that's something that was close to me. and I've already also had singing lessons at that time. So I did this course and I got the songwriting virus. And then I started writing songs. And I was in Cuba. I met the musician and he organized me musicians to record my songs at the studio and everything.

So that was like a fairy tale. And later I wanted to do. actually promote my music, but it didn't really work out that way. And then I came into the direction of coaching, which of course I have already done with my private patient as a doctor, because I want them to be well in the end. And some need medicine and some need something else. So some needed coaching. So I went into this field. I studied a lot of about this. And then I thought I have to find a niche. But finding a niche was always something very sad for me

because I thought I have to squeeze myself between two big walls. And I don't want to do that. I'm not free anymore. So I was in Hawaii once with people learning this coaching and entrepreneurship. And a lot of them called me a Renaissance woman. And so other people also called me polymath. Then I thought, oh, actually, that's a great thing to have my bumper sticker on. And then I started to write about polymaths and to attract polymaths into the networking coffee,

which is just a Zoom room that I open for an hour. And everybody starts to talk about the topics that I'm giving them and that I'm introducing with several emails. I think it's wonderful. And I'm glad that you do it. I think getting people together to discuss about how to live a meaningful life on some level. And I think what you said about being put into a niche. really, it really takes away from a meaningful life sometimes.

Like, we're so much more than what we do every day. We're so much more than the labels we give ourselves. And sometimes that can be really limiting and it can lead to limiting beliefs. And if you just take some time, whether it's singing or songwriting or finding a hobby that you enjoy, I really think you can begin to expand your awareness and start to live more of a full life. Is that, maybe you can touch on that a little bit. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. And I mean, I call what I'm doing coaching, but to be honest, I'm doing a lot of things from the realm of healing.

Since I started to study medicine, then I studied homeopathy. I do plant medicine, acupuncture I studied. I didn't do those three things, but it's to have the awareness and the openness and to think, different medical systems. I think that's very important because doctors would just say it doesn't work. It's like a drop of blah, blah, blah in the ocean and

yeah, they're just having another life than me. So I find we, especially nowadays, we need this open eyes. Because clients want it, patients want it, everybody wants it, so as a doctor, we have to go with the flow.

And so the last thing I actually learned is Akashik Records reading, which is fascinating. Yeah, we should talk about that. I remember reading when I was younger about Edgar Casey and the Akashic Records. That was sort of my intro into it a little bit and learning about it. Maybe you could talk a little bit about how you got interested in that and how you read it and what you found inside there. I just saw a part, I kind of got interested. I got a reading because I knew somebody and then I thought, yeah, it's good.

She actually said in one of my last, in one of my past lives, I've been a polymath, a woman, and all my kind of, all the stuff that I discovered was taken away from me by men, whether one believes it or not. I found it an interesting thing that now I'm also a polymaph but I'm kind of getting recognized as such which is wonderful

and and it's for me it's wonderful to be a polymaph and the reading I just saw a podcast and and then I thought this woman I like this woman

that teaches that and I went to her homepage and then I found that you can you could you could learn it for free from her homepage she gives some part of it even she's calling she's called laura co and but then I did some courses and I got the virus it was just I was just it was just I was just blown away what I could all see she said you see just the maybe some shape or some form or something but I had that carousel is coming to me. And it felt very meaningful and very beautiful and very deep. And then I thought I need to be certified on that. So I'm in this process now. And what happens there is I get pictures.

I normally didn't get pictures. I have some extrasensory capacities, but not seeing. that's new. I hear, but it's not really, the picture, sometimes it's, it's like a picture and something, sometimes it's like a pre-picture. If you imagine the picture is not really there, but you know it's a picture. And then you have something, you hear stuff. It's also, for me, not like hearing a voice, it's just, but it's, it's auditive in a way,

or then it's just a knowing. that I just know what is there. And as a polymath, the key thing is I'm curious. I'm curious and I'm comfortable in the space of not knowing. And this space is actually where you get all the knowledge. It's called beginner's mind. So if you think you know, you cannot really learn. But if you know that you don't know,

Then you have all this curiosity and the stuff is kind of given to you. And in the Akashik records, it was very easy for me. Everything I saw, I said, what does that mean? And then I just got the information. And like that, the flow came quite quickly to me. And I've done some deep readings that really helped people so far. I like the idea. I've never heard it put that way before where, you know, it's the curiosity.

that is the key, you know, and there is this sort of, I hear some people refer to it as like a download or a knowing, but it seems like a revealing to me. And when you start tapping into some certain areas, it seems like it's not that we really learn anything. It's the stuff's revealed to us. Does that sound about accurate? For me personally, but I mean, my, I said, extrasensory perception is more in the feeling of I can feel energies.

So I, the first thing was by giving somebody the hand. So you couldn't, you couldn't say something. You couldn't lie to me and give me the hand. I would kind of know it. And then afterwards it was also in a space. I could imagine persons. I could imagine my own feeling. And that's not linked to time, but I could link it to time.

So I could say, when I'm making this exam, how will I feel? And then I got exactly the pattern of how I felt. And then I could say, how would I feel if I pass? And how would I feel if I'd not pause? And then I knew whether I would pause the exam. But also, after the exam, I felt exactly that way.

And oh, wait a minute. I already had perceived this way of feeling. like I'm feeling now. So it's kind of, yeah, interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. And then I could also perceive people that were not there, that I have never met, how they are. I could describe that.

So it kind of developed, this sense developed. I think if we have those senses, we have to work with them, but we have to also work with them in a way that we can verify them, or at least that's my attitude towards it. because, yeah, otherwise you can get let astray and you don't realize. Yeah. How do you verify it though?

I mean, is it like a feeling of verification or it seems kind of slippery? No, I find the way that I just described, did I pause the test? How did I feel afterwards? That was verifiable. Right. And the thing to actually get there is to not follow the loud voices in the head, but follow the very, very fine tones and sensations. Not like, yeah, I'm happy today.

Then that's not a, not such a sense is very, very quiet. So you have to actually learn the skill of listening to that. my take on it. Do you feel it's like similar to listening to your heart? Like I hear a lot of people say listen to your heart or listen to the voice inside. Was that kind of similar?

Yeah, I would say because they don't mean listen to the heart. They mean, they don't mean listen to the heartbeat, but they mean sense what's in the heart space. And with these senses, you can sense different parts of your body and focus on them.

and then if it's you can sense whether your energy goes kind of up and you're not grounded and then you don't listen so much to the heart more to the head. Yeah. Do you think these are skills that everybody possesses but we've just kind of,

they've kind of atrophied or they've, there's so much distractions that it's so hard to hear the inner voice. Do you think there's some truth to that? Yes, I think it's interesting that Laura Coe, she says everybody can learn Akashik Records reading, they have to just practice. She's taught many, many people. So I think everybody has those senses, but they need to learn to listen to it.

And for me, it's not a download. A download sounds like something that comes, and then you have it. For me, it's more like a circulating energy, and this can be in a form of energy or picture or knowing, but it's always moving. it's not stuck in one place. Yeah, it's, sometimes I think that there's periods, it seems to me, like when you look back at the Renaissance or you look back at certain periods in history, it's almost as if there's different cycles of energy. And it kind of seems that we're moving into this new cycle of energy now,

where I'm beginning to see so much creativity brewing and things happening and changes happening. What do you think about that? Is there different cycles? Are we tapping into sort of a new cycle? cycle now? What's your take on that? I think so, at least from my own perception, it's much easier to learn stuff. Yeah. And it's much easier to access stuff. You get to see stuff like this 20 years ago. I would not even have seen the Akashik reading or I would have maybe heard from the person who read me and found, yeah, that's something for her. I've had the reading and now it's fine for me. But I wouldn't have been

shown different ways, different personality to do that and fight the one that suits me and then easily get there. Stuff speeds up. And also in this course, people are much faster than they were in the previous courses. Yeah. It does seem like an acceleration. It seems like there's a lot of change that's happening. You had mentioned earlier that being comfortable with uncertainty.

is a big part of it. A lot of people, myself included sometimes, it's difficult to not know, even though we never know. Yeah, it's very, it's great that you're saying that because you can go and say, oh, I don't know what's coming. And I was in this place also for some time,

especially during COVID like most people. And then now I think, I'm just enjoying what's now. and that I have a good life now and I have this inner peace and and the joyfulness and I thought yeah, why do I need to care for

maybe it's worse later but now if I'm starting to worry now then I'm wasting the now so I better focus on being with this joyful presence and look at the beautiful lake and stuff

instead of starting to worrying about the future that never comes like that. Yeah. It seems like it's never the thing you worry about. It's some random event that happens on Tuesday at 4 p.m. or something like that you never thought of. Like that's the thing you got to, you know, that's the thing that's the thing that really gets you. But there is something, you know, whether it was Eckert Tolle's the power of now or a lot of the Buddhist tradition or I know Perry in the octopus movement talks about the beauty between two thoughts. There's something really grounding about just being thankful and having gratitude in the moment, right?

And yes, gratitude using the senses. I like the word awe because we have very beautiful landscape here in Switzerland and as well in Hawaii. And you can just have this feeling of awe where everything opens up and you're automatically in the moment unless you're not able to really enjoy that. Yeah. I think if you, I think most people can. do an exercise where if they just stay quiet for a little bit and look around, they can find the beauty in the moment, whether it's a book, whether they're in their home or whether they're just enjoying the silence and their own thoughts for a moment. Like there's real power in slowing down

and being silent and observing the now. What are some, maybe you could talk about some of the, is there like a certain like exercise or is there a certain sort of thing that you do to prepare, when you want to look into the Akashic records or is there a certain sort of setup or maybe there's a certain setup that you do. Yeah, the records you read something like a, I call it a prayer. I don't know whether that's the official term, but it's something like a prayer. It's beautiful. You thank and you open the record.

You need both all the names of the person. So you open the right record and then you have to be quiet and then you have either pressure in the head or I sense like an energy zone here where transparent energy is. I don't sense it all the time is exactly the same. Is there, when people come to you, is there like a certain sort of pattern that people are looking for? Are people looking for, if they come to you for a reading, is it that they trying to figure out, what do they seem to be searching for?

I don't know what that will be because I started out and I searched out the people and say, do you want to have a reading? Or when, for example, my partner had a problem, I did a reading for him and now I can see it in his behavior that he wants another reading. And then I said, do you want a reading? And he says yes, because they are very effective. and like changing in the context of changing the job or interaction with people or some people want to know

all kinds of stuff. What's my purpose? Nobody asks me that yet, but that's a question that I have to fix back. The thing is it's non-judgmental. So you cannot say, is this the right way for me or not? These forces are non-judgmental, totally. There's no right or wrong.

There's something so intimate in a conversation that's between two people talking about purpose or maybe looking at the records of their life. It seems like on some level, maybe just in my life or in other people's lives that I've spoken to, but that seems to have gone missing on some level. And maybe that's sort of the spiritual trend that's happening when you sit down with someone. Yeah. But it's, I mean,

the thing I'm doing is I start a conversation. That's the normal thing. I start a conversation. And then I'm getting somewhere where we, if I'm doing a coaching, the coach he is stuck. Maybe it's something that he doesn't know, or she doesn't know or a mindset or a trauma or whatever.

And then I look which of the many tools in my toolbox would be the suiting tool to help this person. And then if it's not the first coaching, then they can even choose what works better for them. So that's why it's great to be a polymath and has have learned so many things. that I can just take the right tool out of the toolbox. Do you ever score it with music?

It seems to me that music might be a good bridge to put people in a certain state or it may be a way in which someone afterwards can use music to think about the stuff that was said. But do you ever incorporate music into it? Thank you for the tip. I haven't done it yet. But I'm doing a coaching course with Polymarx. to teach them all kinds of healing modalities. And it's a 12 weeks meditation course as well. And there, in one of the sessions, we sang one of my songs.

It's called The Laughter and then the chorus. You can just make the laughing sound. And I made them dance after the meditation because that brings you into a flow. and I have a kind of a complex thing where you link to all your positive emotions of your childhood so that you get into a really uplifted state and that holds for the whole day. Yeah, it sounds powerful. There's something to be said about the way we use our body and the link between the body and the mind. When I look back at some of the indigenous traditions,

they would have all kinds of unique dances or, you know, where they would dance for hours and get into an ecstatic state or a different state of awareness. It's pretty amazing to think about. Yes, it is. Or drum or singing or so. I think you can do that. They can just sing themselves into a trance state. Is that a relationship to resonance, do you think, like singing and dancing? Are you putting out a certain vibration that is called?

out to a vibration on the planet or are you sinking with a vibration on the planet? Is there a resonance there? With the singing? Sure. Rarely. There are some jam sessions at the lake of Zurich sometimes and but and then certain moments there I can kind of like sing like the earth would sing through me but they're very short moments. And it's not the right space and the right people to do that long term, but that

would be something that one could cultivate. And then, I mean, the voice is an important instrument in leadership. Yeah. And I mean, as a doctor, I sometimes need to lead through situations that are not easy. And if I have, if I can use my voice and my body in a way that is really conscious, then I can just lead and people have no, no fear because I'm, I'm aware and I'm there for them. And this starts for me. I have a point in my body where I start that is in my back, where I kind of I grout myself and I hold myself in a special way. And then it's much easier to deal with things like that. Yeah, it's interesting.

It kind of reminds me of the different yoga positions, how some people choose different positions to help them get in a different state. But that takes us back to the body and healing modalities. what role do you think that when we look at artwork I think that artwork is often inspired by different states of awareness and how maybe you could speak to that a little bit the relationship between maybe the Akashik records awareness and artwork I would leave the Akashik records out of it

because I think the Akashik records is something that we are just given And intuition, you have to not use your intuition there. Because if you use your own intuition there, then you're getting to a smaller picture. And the Akashi record itself gives you a big picture. But intuition and art. So when I'm writing a poem or a song or so, I'm getting into a, and I just got aware of it. do it intentionally, but it's a very slight trend state that I'm getting and then I'm in flow

and the stuff just comes to me quite quick if I want to, if I have this density of emotions or a topic that even is hurtful for me that I want to write a song about. And then I get into this state which is more relaxed than normal, like not really a transatlantic. but it's into this direction. And then I can just write it and then it's mostly good. And then I can just make small corrections. And that's it. So it's very fast.

Yeah, it almost sounds like a receiver. Like on some level you're the receiver and it's kind of flowing through you. Yeah, but that would be channeling and it's not. I mean, part of it might be channeling. I think it's multifacist. As a polymath, I have the information. from maybe some part is channeled and then other parts is my what I've learned and then other parts are coming from my own experience and stuff like this and I can quickly access those.

Yeah. Hmm. Do you do you have like a daily practice of meditation? Is it something you do every day? Yes. I started in COVID where I was kind of fearful for for two weeks or so. And then I knew I need to change something. And then I started the meditation practice.

And I'm doing it daily since then. And what does that look like? Is that like? I'm starting with breath that I'm starting with that I'm continuing with focusing on the five senses. I have six senses because it's not just the sense of touch. it's also the sense of how we're positioned in the room that I look at. And then I'm doing some breathing and then I'm just going into a mantra meditation. Yeah.

It's interesting to think about the way in which our daily practices and how those routines can have long ramifications on our life. If we just put into practice something small, that little seed can grow into something wonderful. if we continue to nurture it on some level. Oh, and I also integrated some movements that I needed for my body to be healthy. So that's the, when I'm doing it then, I'm doing it. Because it's hard to do something daily. If you do it just like 3 o'clock in the evening, you do that thing and then you do that thing. And there's signs that it's better to make a habit stack, it's called, where you're doing all the stuff.

after each other. Then you have to just have one cue, which means I do this session. Or if you don't want to go to do sports, I pack my back already. I just say I take my my rucksack and on my shoulders. And then the rest of the stuff you do automatically or follows. It's stacked upon each other. So you have to just remember one thing. Yeah.

I hope I'm not too fast. No. Not at all. I just have a lot of different thoughts when it comes to these different areas. What do you think about language? You know, when I look at language, the language people use in their life, do you think that that plays a major role in awareness, at least in your life? Like, you know what I mean about like the patterns of language?

notice that different people have different patterns of language. And it seems like those people that have like a slower path of language or a different lighter tone of language, they seem to have a different kind of energy. Have you noticed that as well? I think people are using the language that suits to their character and their body and their environment. So when I'm talking, for example, with a patient. I'm totally aware of everywhere I'm saying. Because if I'm using the wrong words, I have an authority that is in the profession. And then if I'm using your wrong words, they stick more than if you're just having a conversation with a stranger. How do you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I, yeah. Maybe you could, is there a certain,

when you, when you look back at some of the. coaching that you've done for people. Is there a certain transformative experience that stands out to you that you can share? Can I first say something to the language? Yeah, of course. Absolutely. Because I think it's also very important to look at the voices we have in our head. Yeah.

I've trained a year long in a coaching that was looking at the, at the voice. voices in the head, they called it saboteurs. So when you're aware of those, then you can also have a more relaxed life and not let them just self-sabotage you. So yeah. Okay. A transformative experience. Yes.

For example, one, okay, I take my boyfriend because I know I, I can talk about this story. He always had shame in his life and it really drove him and he was false and people didn't really listen to him because he was too fast and when you're driven by shame, you're not so attentive and open to other people, etc., etc. And then one day he had an accident and I thought he could have died in the, it was an accident on the highway. And I thought, oh, how did you feel? Because I was thinking, yeah, he might have had fear or something like this.

And then he said he had shame. So I was like, yeah, but this is not an adequate feeling for the situation. Why did you have shame? And then we looked at where the shame come from. And I did some exercise with him. And the shame left him for good, forever. And it was like his life started new from there. He's now in the growing up phase and taking leadership.

But he said it's this, he felt light. And he was forever taking from him. And he totally changed. He's now developing empathy and stuff like this, which before he was just following what the shame pushed him to do. What was that exercise to help exercise the shame out of them? It was linked to tapping. I'm using that sometimes it's emotional freedom technique. But it's linked to the way it's the way I'm doing it.

is linking it to a picture and then it becomes much more powerful. So pattern interruption and then simultaneously slipping in a new pattern. Yes. It's a kind of a, I mean, tapping is very powerful. It has been done with war veterans and stuff like this. I've also worked with some. somebody with war trauma, it's worked. And he was in a burnout state and he was in the verge of not getting to work anymore.

And we had two sessions. And afterwards, with that and a bit cold water and stuff, he's now working again. So it's very powerful and it can be false. But it depends on how you're doing it, who you are, how attentive are you, are you using, or are you using the words that are aligned with exactly that person at that moment? And then it's powerful. And if you're just doing it standard, it's also powerful, but not that powerful. Yeah.

Have you worked in any group settings before? It seems that some people like to work with individuals and then there's different group settings. And I know that you said you had a class coming up with all these different people. You know, some meditation. Maybe you could talk about the difference between. working in groups versus working with an individual. Yeah, it's interesting you're saying that because I had this mindset that I just like to work

one to one and I wouldn't even want to work with a pair of people. But then I did this networking coffee where I'm with 20 people like me and I'm facilitating them. They have high energy. They have a lot of ideas and everything like this. So now I'm feeling very comfortable and at ease with a group as well. So when I did some teaching to my fellow doctors yesterday morning, I was very comfortable, even though people came in in the middle of the session and blah, blah, blah. Nothing can perturb me anymore after this experience.

It's kind of cool. And I also have this group course where I'm working with several people, and I like that as well. So now I would say I like both. No, groups have some advantages. Because in a one-to-one, it's just me and you. In a group, we have different inputs. And people can listen to what the other person says and are not involved. And the involvement causes a certain amount of stress.

But if you can just hear a story and this story really resonates, maybe you learn more than if you were the one that has to present and go into this slightly stressful situation. Yeah, it seems very helpful on some level to be an observer, not of yourself, but an observer to two other parties that are discussing something similar about you. It really just gives you a shift in perspective, it seems like. Yeah, yes, I observed that in a coaching program that I did as a participant. that was cool. If you were on the hot seat, it was quite stressful.

I love so many people. But if you could hear and somebody had exactly this problem, then you say, oh, how cool. Yeah. On some level, I'm getting this. I've been thinking a lot about ceremonies. And ceremonies seems like, to me, is just a word for a group of people solving a problem together.

but it seems like we don't really have, at least in the Western world, we don't have a whole lot of ceremonies anymore. What would your take on the word ceremony, group settings, and maybe the lack thereof? Maybe I'm creating something like that now, but yeah,

because I was asked, we need to have some more ceremony. We cannot just meditate in the morning. We want to do that for our life now that we are in your course. Okay, so I took that on board and, yeah. Yeah, I think we have that, we don't have that enough, starting from babies get put to bed.

Okay, that's rituals, but a ritual is something like a ceremony as well. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it seems that with the lack of ceremony and ritual comes the lack of spirituality. And it's at least in the circle that I have ran with, until recently, maybe this just speaks to me, but, you know, I really feel that there's a resurgence of spirituality happening. Maybe that comes with the changes that are happening on the earth or the changes in our age or something like that. But have you also noticed like a revamping

or a sort of new spiritual connection that's happening? Yeah, I would say it's kind of more prevalent. There was a spiritual wave in the, when was that in the 80s or so? that gave me the cringes because it was so ungrounded and so kind of esoteric. I was a bit involved with it, but it didn't, it's not, it wasn't a good thing. And it was an abuse of power. And I think now we have a different mindset towards it as well. It's becoming more grounded and more normal and kind of just like broadening our awareness.

And there are instances where spirituality is very important, for example, if you have somebody who died in your proximity, then you need some spirituality. If you don't have it, it's much harder to bear. And there you need the rituals as well. People coming together, making music together, sitting somewhere together and hugging each other and hugging each other and knowing you're not alone. and then eating together and having a conversation. So there the rituals are still intact, and I think they're very important. Yeah, it's interesting that you bring up the ritual

and the spirituality around death. It seems like that's so much of what drives us in modern consumer culture is this race from the hospital to the graveyard. You know, it's like we're so caught up and just consuming and racing. It seems like it just could be a giant fear of death. There is some, oh, sorry, like, yeah, no problem. Take your time. Temperature of 7 degrees Celsius.

Okay, sorry. Yeah. There is a spiritual writer on LinkedIn that I'm connected with and interacting with. And he says it's mostly people are motivated by fear of that. It's a pretty good motivator. It seems like it's a base motivator. And it seems like one that can be amplified to get people to act a certain way. When people are acting out of fear, they're not acting as their higher self.

They're just like in their get through one day mode. You know, when it stops you from smelling the roses or create. It seems to have a counteraction to creative. If you're in fear, it's really hard to be creative. It's true. And maybe creativity could take away, take you away from fear. I'm just thinking about all the art therapy that is happening in the, in the tumor clinics, for example. So I think you're kind of expressing it and also you're focusing on something else.

You're expressing your fear and you're focusing on art instead of your fears when you're doing art therapy in this setting. Yeah, it would be interesting to, and maybe this has been done before, but it would be interesting to see the neurofeedback from someone in a creative state versus someone who's in a fearful state. Not that I want to put someone in a fearful state and measure them, but it would be interesting to see the changes that are happening with the brain waves on some level. It's the brainways and it's the places in the brain. for example there's a study that shows that the limb the amygdala in the part of the limbic system

that creates the emotional shrinks when you're doing regular meditation and then there's this left brain right brain discussion that's coming up now there was an old

one that was not right, but I think the right brain is the one that is more linked with sensemaking and seeing the big picture and stuff like this. Yeah, I think Ian McGilchrist has written a couple books about it. One was called the master and the emissary, and then his latest one is called the matter with things. And he talks about the way in which the right hemisphere has this big picture and it can understand like the symbolic meaning of things. And then the left hemisphere is like this analytical skeletal.

that just wants to put everything in words and chop it down real fine and make it super simple. Yes, exactly. And he was discussed in my networking coffee. I didn't get to this idea and people said, read the book. I tried to find it. I didn't find it in this bookshop that I tried. So I went to see some videos which I like more because then you see how the people are as persons and how they interact with each other.

and I've studied him in several videos, so I have some knowledge about this topic, but I haven't read the book, actually. Have you? I've read The Master and His Emissary, but I haven't read his new two volumes set. I've seen some of the videos, too, where he goes on and speaks about the different chapters and stuff.

Yeah. I admire that, too. It's really interesting in this time, and just as we're talking about it, it makes me think, you can really get a different perspective when you can watch the author talk about the book that he wrote and then the words that he wrote. It's almost like another dimension of learning. Yes. Yes. And I love that more than just writing the book. Reading the book.

Yeah. And sometimes reading the book is better because you have your own fantasy in it. So I wouldn't exclude it. But for me personally, I love the book. videos. Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's it's nice to create the own video in your head, but it's also nice to get to see the other modalities and just using all of your senses to absorb the information versus just one or two of the senses. Yes. But I think we should maybe do both. Maybe I should read more. Yeah, I think it's important. There's a really, There's another great book by Marshall McLuhan called the Gutenberg Galaxy. And in that book, he talks about how the printing press shifted our awareness

because it gave us ideas like exact repeatability. You know, when the book came out, all of a sudden, I could tell you exactly what the author said instead of it being more of a story where I had to translate it and give it to you in my way and put my filter on it. And it's more of a living language in that time versus exact repeatability. Here's what they, boom, boom, boom. Kind of an interesting thing to think about. Yeah, yeah.

Sounds like. No, it's really an interesting thought. It kind of opens many doors. Yeah, it does. It's interesting. In some ways, I feel like we're, I feel like that's the same. That's what today's world is doing.

Like when you, when you can interact with AI in a way. Like I think it's shifting our sense ratios a little bit. Like you, like you said earlier, it's really cool to watch the author, to watch Ian McGillcrest, have the book.

And you can absorb, it in a different way. And that has, if you absorb it in a different way, that has to change the way the output comes, right? If you're taking it in differently, the way it comes out has got to be different as well, I would think. Yeah. Yeah.

And the author cannot just write a book. He has to also be a presentable personality. But the ones who are and they don't have to go on so many videos like Ian McGilker, who is kind of fun to watch, at least for me. Yeah, me too. And he's a polymath, by the day. way. Imagine that.

Yeah. Some of the pages I have to read it like five times and just be like, wait a minute. There's a lot in this one sentence right here. I need to stop for a minute. And that's half the fun of it too because I guess that that gets us back to why reading is cool. If you stop, for me, I have like a ton of highlighters and I'll just highlight this particular sentence and then be like, okay, I can't even get past this page.

I've got to think about this for a little bit. But that's fun to do, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like the highlighting the stuff to actually memorize. Do you think that that's something in your future as a book? Are you going to maybe put out some books? Give me an idea. Like maybe you could maybe a book about, you know, the relationship between getting yourself and reading the Akashic records and then translating that to a group setting.

Like I would read up. You should write a book. I would totally read it. Yeah, but that's too peripheral from all the stuff I'm doing. It should involve more. That's like me. It would kind of squeeze me in it. If I were totally into doing just that, but I don't think so because I also like to teach.

I also like to do the coaching. I also like to do, yeah, I like to do the many things. And the art is to bring it together and still make. a business out of it in a world where business is led in a totally opposite way. Yeah, it's interesting to think about where we're going and people that are built.

I think it's fascinating to see the way in which business is changing. It seems like so much of the old business models is dying on some level. Do you have any thoughts on that? I think Okay, when I was a kid, I was sitting on a tree and I was having philosophical discussions with myself. And the discussions were, if I have shares, somebody has to work for those.

And somebody, if I'm making a profit, somebody somewhere gets exploited for it. So it was clear for me as a kid already. I'm not so much into economy. That's why I'm taking this thing. And then my consequence was not to have shares, which maybe was a bit dumb. I don't know. But ethically, I thought it was not the thing for me to do.

And I think we've actually exploited too much now. I mean, in Switzerland, we're at least looking after the water. In England, it's so that they can even let the water out into the rivers and they're getting more and more loose with those laws. So that breaks my heart because people cannot go swimming anymore. And somebody, very few people make a profit from that. So that has to really change. We cannot go on like this.

or when I'm working in a hospital and in some actions, we have to throw away the iron instruments because it's said to be cheaper. But if that's cheaper, then somebody has to bleed for that. Either it's the earth or a child labor child or whatever. I don't believe that this is actually a good thing to do. To take resources and just throw them away. And I think a lot of people are getting aware of that and they kind of really start to look after the resources better.

And first, economy started with doing the marketing and behaving as if they were doing that big businesses and thought that was enough. But I don't think it will be enough in the future. Yeah. So I think we're actually looking after more people are looking after the balance. I don't know what to say for the systemic impact on economy on everybody. And I don't think it will be tolerated in 50 or 100 years that six people own half of the, world's money. Yeah.

And everybody gets poorer and poorer, and they're struggled. I have sometimes patients who have three professions to get over, to get a living. And I don't think that's fair. Yeah, I agree 100%. In some ways, it seems fractal to me. Like the way we destroy the earth, we destroy ourselves. And you can see it in our communities. Like the more we extract whatever wealth, the more we extract from who we are as human beings.

It's sad. It's true. And I wonder when it has started. I have this discussion with my boyfriend many times. I think it started when we were owning land or something like this or when we were sitting in one place. Because if you just move around, then you have to be friendly to the. stranger who crosses your path. Yeah, I read somewhere that one of the longest standing structures is the grain tower

of Jericho and that that particular grain structure was the beginning of the idea of surplus. And when you have surplus, then you start having wars because all you have to do is just sit there and then you start building this up and then people are like, hey, they have all the stuff over there, let's go get it, you know? And they say they had giant boulders. They could push off the Tower of Jericho to like smash people that would take their stuff. But yeah, hunting and gathering, I think, seems to be a way where everyone has the communal land. Maybe it's the concept of mine or me.

Maybe that has something to do with it, too. Yeah, because, I mean, we are not the first ones that have narcissists. If you look in a gallery of a castle, how do people look like? You can see that in the faces. They were also that the governing classes were often narcissistic. giant life-sized pictures of themselves they got so crazy look at this picture of me

they felt much empathy on those pictures and then they were marrying each other and they yeah no wonder we're so messed up yes exactly and those were the role models we looked up to no I'm so thankful that we're waking up from that.

What's the great line in James Joyce's book? History is the nightmare from which I'm trying to awaken. I've never heard. Which book of James Joyce? I think it was Ulysses. I think that's the last line in Ulysses, somewhere close to it. So the thing I like about Ulysses that I have never read, but I've heard about is train of thought.

but it's more about James choice than maybe it's even his words but I'm using that a lot so I have to kind of control that I'm not jumping too much because I think he was also maybe a polymast or so because

he had many thoughts that he didn't that were going on in his head and he just talked this word and then he went in his head and then he said the other word and then people cannot follow him. That's why it's such a difficult book to read.

Yeah. Yeah, there's so much wisdom and literature that we can turn to and get to relive in some ways. Like, that's the beauty of, maybe that's the beauty of a lot of artwork, is that it reaches out to us, and we can experience it in a way that's almost foreign today in some ways. Now I'm curious also where you come from and whether you're, maybe a Pollymouth. And yeah, can you please tell me a little bit? Yeah, I grew up in California, and I have a lot of just,

I have a lot of different ideas about things. And I, when I went to school, I had a lot of problems in not getting real good grades. That wasn't bad, but I didn't understand things, you know. And for me, like, I couldn't solve math problems, especially word problems because it was like, this train leaves New York going 100 miles an hour. And this train leaves over here going 75 miles an hour. My question was like, how many turns are on the track on the North one? And what kind of, what equipment is the train from the south hauling? How many cars does it have?

And my teacher would be like, that's irrelevant. And I'm like, that's no, no, no, that's imperative. Like, we have to figure that out. Otherwise, we can't even do the math. And the teacher would be like, George, this is, you're making it way too complicated. And I'm like, no, no, you are not telling me all the facts. It's like I couldn't, like, I would never be able to solve the problems, you know? And then teachers would be like, I get a bad grade.

And my parents would be like, how come you can't do that? And I'm like, it doesn't make any sense. They don't even have the information. There's no point in doing that. Like, that's not even going to be the answer. And so, like, that was like my, that's where I realized I was like a little bit different than people. And those same sort of insights in my life have,

been challenging for me for people to see me in the same way and so I didn't really fit in a whole lot. I could see different things. I had all kinds of different insights that people didn't have, but that seemed to alienate me. And then even later in life when I would have different jobs and, you know, I worked for a multinational corporation and they just, all they want, they want to know about production. And so I came to them with some answers like, you guys aren't measuring all the variables. Therefore, you're not going to get the production. standards that you want. And these production standards that you have, those are bullshit.

These are just numbers that you created to force people to work harder. If you want better production, let's do it this way. And they would just stare at me and be like, you know what, George, you're being very difficult. And I'm like, me, you're being difficult. You guys are using a system that doesn't work. And you're trying to tell me, I'm the problem. And when I come to you with a solution, you guys say, I'm the problem. How am I the problem?

So you're like a fire, you know, and. Yeah. Like that's, that's me. I love reading. I love, like, that's why I do this podcast. I get to talk to you and so many different people. And like, I can't, it's very fulfilling for me to get to have two to three different conversations with three or four different people who think completely different.

Like, that fulfills me on a level that I've never been fulfilled before. And it's very helpful to me to make sense of the world when I can talk to other people and hear a radically different perspective. Like, that is really helpful to me. And so I don't I don't thoroughly understand what the word polymath means, but I do have a lot of interest. And I love talking to people and learning. And I like to think of myself as a jack of all trade, but master of none. Yeah, that's exactly.

Yeah. And then the phrase goes on and says, but it's better than have just one or something like this. Actually, they took away the one. that give the polymath the value. So I would consider you to be a polymath as well. So, yeah. And I think. Yeah, I think it's fun to talk.

There are many of the words that, sorry. Sorry. No, go ahead, please. Yeah, there are many other words that are used. And polymasts themselves don't like labels and don't like to label themselves as polymath. But it's helpful to have. this label and know that polymath is a place where I could belong. And then it's

with that in mind. And then you're not the weird one anymore. The other ones are in a in a greenium of polymuffs you're feeling very well. So that's why I created that. Yeah, I've, I recently was talking to Perry who started the octopus movement and like there's a lot of like I feel at home there in a lot of ways. Like I can sit down, too much like I feel at home with you. I can sit down and just listen to people talk about random things. And I can listen to like three or four conversations at the same time and be like, oh, like I kind of, the chaos factor for me is welcoming. You know, it's like, oh, okay. There's four things going on. Like, I can, I can do that. Where most people would be like, you have five things going on. You need to stop doing these things

and do just one. And I'm like, I can't, I can't do that. So it's on some level, I feel like we are, we're just shifted for something. Yeah. It's so crazy. But Dr. Barbara, I love talking to you. This is really fun. And I hope you'll come back. We should do more stuff together and have more conversations with more people.

It's really fun and it's interesting. But I wanted to take today to have everybody in my show introduce everyone that's listening out there to you. And before I let you go, where can people find you? What do you have coming up and what are you excited about? people can find me mostly on LinkedIn I'm not so active on Facebook I find that's a bit a waste of energy but I'm there as well I started to to try to get to know people via Facebook so you find me there as well and I'm having the networking coffee and I'm having some projects that are just

on the wall there so I'm not wanting to I need to it's not condensed enough to wanting to talk about it but I want to do something polematic and maybe we can talk one to one not public about it. It would be interesting and I'm having this course

that I mentioned and I will do that again and I will make another course about about communication that's the next one, I will plan for Polymouth because we have this problem. Yeah. Well, ladies and gentlemen, go down to the show notes, check out our LinkedIn profile, reach out to her. If what we talked about today seemed fascinating and interesting to you, reach out to her and look at the courses. I would highly recommend reaching out to her and maybe booking a discovery call with her and just

getting to know her a little bit better. I really think you have a unique insight and I love what you're doing. hope. Hang on briefly afterwards. I'll still talk to you shortly afterwards, but everybody that hung out with us today, I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart. I hope you have a beautiful day. And that's all we got. Aloha. Ciao.