TrueLife - Health Reform 2025

Episode Date: December 6, 2025

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USThe Lila Code: https://orcid.org/0009-0008-4612-3942🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Tonight, we’re joined by the architects of Health Reform 2025 Dr. Stephen BizalBests-selling author, national speaker, functional-medicine pioneer, and the bold voice demanding we replace sick-care with a U.S. Department of Wellness.Joining Dr. Stephen Bizal is the co-creator of Health Reform 2025, Julia El-Haj.Marketing strategist and narrative architect, Julia’s conviction is simple: people aren’t broken; systems are. Her work rewrites the story of health, shifting culture and policy by putting the human body back in charge of its own healing.The message is simple and urgent: 2025 is the year we stop managing disease and start creating unbreakable health.Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Dr. Stephen Bizal & Julia El- HajHealth Reform 2025https://healthreform2025.org/Press Releasehttps://tinyurl.com/msw774mExecutive Summaryhttps://lnkd.in/g9A4rVb2The Optimal Life - Dr. Stephen Bizalhttps://app.box.com/s/0in29c1019awkoai4z1q0o6ey9b19cjf One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

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The poem is Angels with Rifles, The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Live podcast. I hope everybody's having a beautiful day. I hope the sun is shining. I hope the birds are singing. I hope the wind is at your back. Today we are joined by the architects of health reform 2025, Dr. Stephen Bezell,

best-selling author, national speaker, functional medicine pioneer, and the bold voice demanding we replace sick care with the U.S. Department of Wellness. Joining Dr. Stephen Bezell is the co-creator of Health Reform 2025, Julia L. Hodge. Marketing strategist and narrative architect, Julia's conviction is simple. People aren't broken. Systems are. Her work rewrites the story of health, shifting culture and policy by putting the human body back in charge of its own healing. The message is simple and urgent. 2025 is the year we stop managing disease and start creating unbreakable health. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Dr. Stephen Bezell and Julia L. Hodge.

Julia, Stephen, thank you so much for being here today. How are you guys? I'm good. Doing well, George. Go ahead, Julia, your turn. This is like tag team wrestling, right? Tag team conversation. So anyways, I will always defer to the lady presence.

Well, thank you. But yes, I'm doing great. And thank you for the nice introduction. Yeah, you're very welcome. And while it was a brief introduction, let me kick it off to you. Let me start with you, Julia. Like, tell me a little bit about how you got here, a little bit about your background, and why what you're doing is so important and why you're so motivated about it.

I think, well, I think, in short, it's simple. I'm just, I come as a mother and a woman who's really concerned for the future of our young people. And I founded Hermitica Health about 20 years ago, which is really my wellness vision and a place for my strategic thought leadership and how to bring wellness to the forefront of the conversation. And Steve and I actually worked together or came across each other also around 20 years ago at the Whitaker Wellness Institute. And we crossed paths there. And he had shared some of his ideas with me, and I kept them in mind over the years. And as an athlete, as someone who keeps health at the center of my own life, and after COVID, I really felt it was my responsibility, actually, to join this project with Steve and help bring it to life. Nice. I appreciate that.

That's a little bit about it. Well, I really appreciate that. Yeah. Dr. Bezell, maybe you could share a little bit about your vision and how you got to be where you are today. Yeah, way back to my college days where I was an athlete, and peak performance was what the issue was. So everything I was doing in my life was to go after every one-tenth of one percent I could do to optimize my performance in the athletic arena. And so that kind of had a, you know, what started out at. as a athlete, human performance.

Then when I went into corporate America, it was basically the same game. Everything you learned in the athletic field, you could take and apply for performance and productivity and being successful in the corporate arena as well. And then a turning point for me, because I started out in the business world,

turning point for me was 40 years ago, I was a commodity broker selling gold and silver, but with always a very active health and fitness kind of a lifestyle regimen. For me, it was always lifestyle. This wasn't just something I did on the side. This was my whole life was committed around that because what I realized was that health was the cornerstone for whatever you wanted to achieve in life. 30 years ago before the term functional medicine was even being used, I was taking courses like functional endocrinology, functional blood chemistry, and when I could put those all together, I ended up creating what was an early on concierge wellness practice, where I would work with

people 101, do very extensive blood profiles, I would do hormone assays, I would do metal toxicity profiles because all those things tell you something from a different perspective and a different parts of the system and when you put those all together what you got was a nice landscape picture of everything that was going on with the individual and here was a here was a common pattern okay without exception no matter what illness or what disease that you were struggling with there were always three things going on didn't matter what the whether it was cancer or heart disease or diabetes or fibromyalgia. Number one is there were chemical imbalances and the body's nothing more than a series of chemical reactions controlled by electricity. Number two, there were hormone

imbalances and hormones regulate all those other millions of chemical reactions that are going on at any one point in time. And then because of that, because your hormones, for example, also regulate how you use nutritional supplements and nutrients in your body. So there were nutritional deficiencies. And with that kind of a mapping, I could start with nutritional deficiencies, address those issues, and then you found out you could get the endocrine system, the hormones, your adrenal glands, your thyroid gland, Mayo and FEMA hormone, you could get those all back into balance. And it started with, you know, being out of balance from a chemistry and nutrition standpoint, lifestyle changes, healthy nutrition.

and boom, you could turn people's lives around. It appeared to me that health seemed to be the natural consequence of being in alignment with spiritual laws and laws of nature. And if that's true, then illness and disease is really about, well, you might be violating either spiritual laws or laws of nature, and that's what illness and disease is about. And then the healing process is really about identifying where you might be violating these spiritual laws or laws of nature.

And when you make those corrections, then the body naturally heals by itself. Because the body does its own healing. All we do is help facilitate that or we get in the way of that. Right. So those were the two pieces. And the first book I wrote, and it embraced all these things,

and there were 10 principles of wellness. What does the body need to be healthy? They need spiritual, healthy, spiritual energy, needs healthy emotions, and you could go down through the list. And there was a health model. Yeah. And then along with that, what I could see was that, huh, the only reason we have a health care crisis in America

is because we have a health crisis. If we didn't have a health crisis, we wouldn't have a health care crisis. Right. Even though I don't hear anybody talking about health, not really. we're all focusing on this flawed health care delivery system and because your health care isn't causing your obesity your health care isn't causing your cancer your heart to be disease or your diabetes it's all lifestyle issues right so I ended up writing a physician paper in 2009 which is what birthed what we're doing today is health

reform 2025. And the title of the position paper was health care reform dash health reform, creating a wellness culture in America, and the formation of a U.S. Department of Wellness, which I had never heard of anybody even proposed that. So that's back in 2009. And the position paper identified there were five discussion points and in five strategies for addressing each one of those discussion points. And the reason for the U.S. Department of Wellness was to be able to set up something that would spearhead this movement for creating health in America based upon a conversation of health, not health care. because if we stop for a second, what is health care really all about? The health care construct

is about treating illness and disease. Period. It has never been about creating health. Doctors in the health care delivery system, their medical education is only about treating illness and disease. It has nothing to do with creating health. So we're also

We kind of get sidetracked in this health care discussion Where if we go back to the original concept The only reason we have a health care crisis because we have a health crisis But nobody's talking about what does it take to create health I put that out there in 2009 Like everything else no traction no traction no traction no traction Couldn't get anybody involved in conversations Even though I was sending my book and I was sending this position paper I said

it to the president. I sent it to Bill Clinton. I sent it to Obama. I had sent it to Trump's first time around. I had sent it to the Bushes. But I'm just not on the inside track. I'm kind of like an outlier. I wanted to pause you right there because maybe it's more than the inside track. And maybe there's maybe the reason it doesn't get traction is because there's no ground game. It seems to me that if there's going to be health reform in 2025 or 2026, there must be an incredible amount of movement on the bottom. And it seems to me there's tons of people that understand the reason why health care is a giant problem. It's affecting all of us, people that have cancer, people that have diabetes, people that are living a life that's not meaningful. There's tons of people, I think, right now

ready to help. How do we transition? Like, I think a lot of people understand that we need health reform that we need a wellness initiative how do you feel that how do you do you do you want to take that julia i feel like people they know that and they want how do we move on that i don't think that we can reform a system that's like misaligned um and against human thriving so the entire health care model we have now it incentivizes you know decline it doesn't really yeah It's not modeled after human thriving. So we're not proposing reform in the traditional sense. What we're trying to do is take a model and build a parallel system and structure

that builds health from the ground up. So you're reintroducing, I mean, health actually, as Steve said, health follows rules and laws. And health at the very core of it is very simple. And I think that we have just as a nation sort of forgot the basics. And it's been happening over a very, very long period of time. So what we're trying to do is shift the conversation back to basics. And when you go back to basics and you build up these foundations,

you put those structures in place. And you're saying, like a garden, what do you need to do? And for me, it, you can see the health. of the nation by the health of the children. And as Robert Kennedy Jr. is pointing out, and everybody and parents are screaming from the rooftop, the kids are not okay. I mean, and

I actually don't believe that we have a health care crisis. I think we have an economic crisis disguised as a health care crisis. You know, and I think what, you know, think about if you have a sick child in your house,

the entire community has to come around and deal and manage that sick child. So a family's second job becomes caring for that sick child. And it, I mean, if you have more than one sick child, then it becomes overwhelming. And it completely changes the trajectory of how a family is able to live and achieve peace when you know that what's happening to the children is basically a cry for help because, you know, something is misaligned. And I think the way that society moves, it kind of glosses over children, you know, and nobody's really listening to what's happening downstream. So what Steve and I are saying is, like, we need to go upstream and fix the problem before downstream.

America is very good at emergency medicine. Yeah. We're very good at the end. Like, oh, heart transplant, lung transplant, leg transplant, we're very good at that. And that's crucial and it's core and it's so very important, but it's unsustainable for a nation. And you really want, you know, you really want to know that when you are not around that your children are going to be able to stand up on their own two feet and, you know, live a healthy life. So I don't think, I think it's a waste of time to try to say like to reform the, like the current model as it is. Julie, I think what you said was absolutely amazing.

And I agree. But here's where I differ a little bit. I don't think that you can change it at the top. I think that it's so entrenched. I think that the people at the top are so set in their ways. And if you look at like, for example, when Doge went into the government and they tried to make these giant cuts, they did for a little bit. But then they were kicked out immediately. And I think when you go from the top and you try to change it at the very top, like it doesn't work.

There's too much structural possibility, too much corruption at that. the top to do that. I believe that culture, that politics are downstream from culture. And so the best way for health reform is for each individual to find a way to become the best version of themselves. That means individuals influencing doctors from the ground up. Is that too radical of approach? I don't want it to be a full out rebellion and not allow different voices into the tent. But I don't understand how you can change it at the top without an incredible amount of money, without an incredible amount of people already in the system changing phase. What are your thoughts on that?

I'm not saying that we should go to the top down. I think what happens is like all of us are sick because we are fundamentally illiterate in how the body work. There's a lot of noise that's going around health. So I don't think people really know how to make decisions because we have been misled for so long. and we are put in these situations where we are almost convinced not to trust our intuition about what is good for us or our children, and you are putting these very compromising things. So what we are trying to say is not really from the top down, although it would be better and more supportive if the top came and enforced this for the rest of the people.

what really needs to happen is that people need to become wellness literate. And that comes from everybody in their everyday life. And when you look at wellness, not as a product, not as a service, not as like a health thing, wellness is a way of being. It's not a goal. So you can take many little steps to achieve wellness every single day. And over time, you create this wellness, you know, lifestyle and way of being. And I think that's what's different. So I don't, I agree with you. I, you know, the top down approach and there's a lot of corruption and, you know, reform that's needed and there's a lot of policies in place. But we're really, we would like the support of a top down approach and we do believe that a department is necessary to keep everything coherent and

you know everything needs some sort of structure otherwise it's just chaos so there does need to be some sort of governing body for lack of a better word to you know to be sensitive to people's distrust but there does seem like an authoritative body that can keep things in check and in alignment with what wellness is. So what we're proposing is sort of saying, like, let's rehumanize health and put the human back in the center of the discussion. Because when you put us back in the discussion, the center, or you put a child back in the center, like, is this good for this child? It doesn't matter if it's a black, Asian, white, you know, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, any child, is it good for that child? You start.

making very, very different decisions and you start looking at things with a very, very different lens because you become very sensitive to what a human being needs in order to develop in a healthy, vital way so they can live with that optimal potential and vitality. Right now what we're doing is we are dimming all of the children's light and putting them in these positions because they're living in this very, very dysregulated world. So I do agree with you, but I think that's where we and Steve were trying to step in and say, like, the world and most of the discussions that we're having is because we are illiterate in what wellness means. You know, if I may jump back in, George, you know your comment about the top down. I have no illusions about how the world works and how politicians work and why they do what they do and where they get their money and the rest of this kind of stuff, okay?

what I could see was I wasn't going to get anywhere there doing anything. And then here's what happened. A little bit more than a year ago, I attended JFK Jr. rally in Washington, D.C. Okay. And what struck me was make America healthy again. Right. This is the first time that health has ever been a discussion on a national. platform. So I'm hearing health, not health care. I'm hearing health and I'm thinking,

I wonder if we have a second bite at the apple here. The other thing that was interesting was on the stage with RFK Jr. was Tulsi Gabbard came up, Jordan Peterson, Dale Bigtree, you get down through the list of the people that have been challenging the status quo, Okay, without exception Every one of them made reference to the following They said one of the reasons why America has so many of its problems is because it's an unhealthy population And in the public side of things our inability to coalesce and bring together a cohesive movement around wellness What I saw as a potential solution to that was a you

U.S. Department of Wellness. Okay, because what are the major problems? Where we went off the rail years ago was with food policy. Who regulates food policy? Not the corporations themselves. You need government intervention to hold them intact. So if I wanted to change food policy, we're not going to do it from on the public side of it because there's no incentive for corporate America to change anything that they're doing. in the agricultural sector. So what I was looking at government and why the Department of Wellness

was to have an agency that could start with a clean slate and at a very practical level take a look at, for example, the policies under Health and Human Services. The policies under, and Julia brought up the wellness literacy issue because there's me and it isn't just information it's you know how do you differentiate truth from falsehood what do you do with this information what you had it

once you have it because in all the work that i've done with people over the years most of it was they were ignorant they didn't know what they were doing and i could help guide that process and then pride support so the the strategies to implement under the U.S. Department of Wellness. The first one would be, and your people may or may not know this, but to get a department, to get an agency like that, it's authorized in the Constitution for the President has to create it, and then Congress has to legislate it.

All right? Then the very next thing on the list was, under the Department of Wellness, is we would look at, we would look at all the food policies. All right. In the context of what's working or what's not working from what Julia brought up from a human health standpoint. The wellness literacy is we would take and create wellness education, wellness literacy education that could be rolled out through the public school systems and have programs.

have programs that would start educating children in grade school, or in early grade school, in middle grade school, in high school. Well, the federal government gives money to the school systems to do that. So the reason to use government to help facilitate that is to help govern that process from an implementation standpoint and set some guardrails because one of the things that we'd be proposing would be look at all the policies under these different agencies that are related to creating health slide those underneath the Department of Wellness along with the the financial for that but then our whole approach would be based upon a paradigm of

creating health, not fixing health care. And if you look at what's going on at HHS, they're trying to fix health care. They want to try to, they want to try to make doctors get educated in nutrition. Which is still unnecessary. Well, no, let's put it this way. It's a good thing. But if you look at their, if you look at their medical education, three quarters of their medical education is how to use pharmaceutical drugs and treat everything. So and where do you think they get the money to do what they do? So if you look at that whole paradigm from top down, what's behind it all is the pharmaceutical industry. There's no incentive, absolutely no incentive for them to change anything they're doing without somebody putting the screws to them. Which brings me to another question

to the both of you. I agree 100% that we need government as the guardrails. Like, we need them to be the bulldog when the corporate world comes or when big money comes and it says, this is how we're going to do it. This is the most effective for us. This is the profit margin. This is what works for them. But how long does that process take?

Like, how long does it take to create a board of wellness? How long does it take to educate children to get money for education in grade school and then high school? It seems to me like we're talking about a 25-year turnaround for this whole system be set up? Is that too long? Can it be done faster? What are your thoughts on that? Let me let me start with you, Julia. It seems to be like a parallel thing. Any department or agency in the past has really been spearheaded because the public has demanded something of that sort. So really, it will come from the ground up. And I think the change will have to start to be implemented. How fast that

change happens, I think is also going to be dependent on how much we can elevate the conversation. And I do think that we are underreacting as a country about what's going on on a lot of issues. And I think health is a core issue that everybody seems to be talking about right now. And I think that everybody knows that we do need a strategic pivot sooner rather than later. And the thing about health and your biology is that there is no one-size-fits-all, like, map for any of us. I mean, as Steve said, like, women are not small men.

Our biology and our physiology and everything is completely different than you guys. And we are not even factored into the health care system in a way that it really gives women their rightful place and their dignity. So is there a specific timeline? I do not have a crystal ball to tell you how fast that would be implemented. Do I think that there is some sort of wellness sort of revolution that we need to take back like the agency that it's our job to take care of our health. We are responsible for knowing what is right and what is wrong and getting clear. Because I think, I mean, my biggest thing is I do not want my children to inherit the confusion that what's going on right now is healthy. I mean, when I look at my

children and their friends and my friends' children and our families and what we are dealing with on a very, on a daily basis, like we're all exhausted. Everybody's exhausted and nobody's okay and I think everybody does want to come together and say like how do we fix this and how do you fix that mean like it's really a conscious decision to engage in those discussions those behaviors those programs those ideas and to kind of collaborate um and and put the pieces of the puzzle together to say like how can we implement these policies or changes um in our local schools really at a foundational level, it is like, how can I implement those changes as an individual, as a mother, a father, a man, as a woman? And then that will trickle down to your children and your ecosystem of your home, the family, and then it would pour outwards. So I don't know if there's a specific timeline, but I do believe that it will be the people pushing it. And the more we push for something along that kind of change.

And the faster that we do that, the faster it will come. But I do just think that we're a little bit complacent. And there's little filers burning everywhere. And I think that people are afraid to actually call it what it is. But I think that's the first step in talking about any problem is to put words behind and be able to talk about the problem and say, this is what it is. So we can call it out, bring it to the forefront, we have awareness of what is going on, and then we can, you know, take the necessary steps. And I think once we see what the problem is, clearly,

then the next steps become really fast to be able to implement. Because when you see what's happenings, you know, with that sense of clarity, and you do put your children or anybody's children at the forefront of what they're going to be inheriting from our decisions that we're making on a policy level, a government level, a state level, education level, you will say, oh, you know, this is really important and this is really, you know, this is for my children. And it isn't a partisan issue. Children are not a partisan issue. They're not a religious issue. They're not, you know, children are innocent in all sense of the words.

It's the world that actually, you know, is structured to dim their light and take away their vitality. I think we need to give it back to them. George, if I may, if I'm, if I may jump back in here for a second, okay, these are all valid points that you're bringing up. the if your listeners have had the opportunity to go to the website health reform 2025.org do you remember what it says on the on the opening page on the home page education over medication no well that was my original position paper george thank you very much all right Well, no, well, well, well, because this is, let me tell you what I think the real value is of what we're doing here. Okay.

And why it's called health reform in 2025. Every advancement for the benefit of humanity started as an idea, followed by a conversation. We're deflecting the conversation. People default into a health care. Instead of talking about health, they. default into a conversation about health care because that's who has the main stage nobody has ever proposed a US Department of Wellness

nobody has ever reframed this away from health a discussion on health care to a discussion on health so if we can get people to click and stop thinking about making change to a dysfunctional health care delivery system to try to get health out of it,

that's wasted energy, George. You have to do a paradigm shift. The paradigm shift, you've got to shift the conversation away from trying to change health care to health. Because if you can focus on that, see, actually, we're an ally to the health care delivery system. The more people that we can make,

healthy, the less people fall into the basket of healthcare delivery. But you have to look at it through that lens. And nobody was looking at it through that lens. Well, we have. You, Dr. Stephen, you've seen the industry on the inside and out. Like you understand the way that it works. But the mechanism of action to change it takes way too long in the way we're trying to do it. There has to be a better way. And I think it's going to come, I think a more, a better strategy would be to maybe unite under the health reform 2025 and be speaking on college campuses. Because ultimately, like Julia said, it's the youth that are the most affected. They have lack of opportunity. They have lack of health. They have lack of everything because the older, we find ourselves in this generational

divide. So the change is going to come from them. If we really want to create change, I think we should be trying to find a way to unite under this and be speaking at college campus. is inspiring the youth to carry the banner and informing them about our ideas, but allowing the youth to create the next policy. What are your thoughts on that? Who wants to take that? Julia?

Yes, so I do think everybody, I mean, health, wellness is a resource and it grows when it's shared. You know, like that's how you, that's how you know you're operating from a healthy place. Like, I'm not going to go, to show your house and build my house and say that I'm operating from a place of integrity and well-being. So I, you know, I want your house to be stable and secure and I want my house

to be stable and secure. So I do think at this particular point in time, and I think we live in a very crazy time, but also a very, like, fascinating time because there are so many tools at our disposal to connect and work faster and implement changes in a revolutionary time frame. And I think other countries, unfortunately, have taken the reins and have done that with their infrastructure, but the United States has done for a very long time. So, yes, the youth is pivotal and crucial, and they're the ones being affected. And, you know, but I do think it takes all of us, it takes you, it takes me, It takes Steve.

It takes every generation from people who have their eyes open who can see that the trajectory that we're on is completely unsustainable. It is not sustainable whatsoever. And there are recent policy decisions. If you want to bring it current, like the dismantling of the Department of Education, specifically special education, when you see how much care, time, and resources, a child with ADD or autism or severe allergies is going to impact how people show up for work. You know, so corporations are going to be hit, how people show up for their families,

how you're going to be able to, you know, afford care for those children. So, you know, I just think that, yes, the youth is pivotal, but it's going to take everybody who cares and whose heart is open to say, yes, we do need a cultural shift in America that is focusing on health, well-being, vitality, sovereignty, agency, and going back to our basic biology and giving people those tools so they can make decisions from an informed place of clarity. and not confusion. Because right now, I mean, I see it with all the health trends that the kids are doing and they're doing crazy things to themselves with like all of this like influencer behavior. And you're just like, are you?

What are you doing? And it's impossible to, it's impossible to get through the noise. So yes, yes, it doesn't, it probably does need to happen on college campuses and it does need to come from the youth demanding change. But ultimately, I think it's anybody with their eyes open and their heart open that's going to be able to push the discussion forward. Is it, let me pose this to both of you and either one can take it.

Is it all one thing together? Can we have a better health system without a better economic system? Are those two things intertwined? And can maybe we get a better economic system if we have a better health system? Like, how do we, do you think one will affect? the other in in one way more or less was it better to work on health and then that will help the economic system or do you think it's better to help the economic system and that'll help the health system let me start with you uh dr bezell like you've been in this game for a long time and

you have seen so many changes and been part of those changes yourself how are those two things connected oh there you have to attack it from both ends let me let me put it down okay well said All right. Every profound advancement for the benefited humanity started with an idea. We have an idea, followed by a conversation. Corporate America is not ready. Okay. And I think the truth is the everything that happens in the world, in the universe, in life has meaning and purpose. Okay. There's a reason why, Julian, and I have teamed up to push this narrative in this conversation about health reform where nobody has ever contextualized their approach just around health reform which required and part of it is putting responsibility back on every human being yeah for the decisions that they may so we we the one of the things that we have to do is we

we have to stop blaming the institutions around us because again if we were all a little bit more responsible and aware of what was going on around us and we were making healthier decisions for ourselves we would automatically as a natural consequence of that have greater corporate output we'd have less use and need for health care. We would take away the incentive. If we were not as sick as an unhealthy population, we would take away the incentive of the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance companies. George, you probably remember a time where the big push in the big pharma advertising was we're going to cure disease, we're going to cure disease, we're going to cure disease.

Well, interesting over time, what did they default to? We're going to manage your disease. Yeah. And the reason why they made that shift, there were two reasons. Number one is pharmaceutical drugs don't cure anything. Not really. They address symptoms, but they never address the underlying functional causes, and that's the whole purpose of functional medicine.

And then the second thing is there's economic benefit to people staying soon. in America. Yes. So there's no motivation in our capitalistic system for the insurance industry, the health care delivery system. I'm not talking about medical doctors per se, but I'm talking about the structure of the health care delivery system or the pharmaceutical industry to change anything that they're doing.

It's too lucrative one. Now, don't get me wrong. I believe we need pharmaceutical drugs, and they should be applied. appropriately for the right reasons. Just like we need health care. I mean, I'm a huge advocate of health care. I've been on crutches 18 times, and I've had three orthopedic surgeries.

So I appreciate what health care can do. I've also been in emergency medicine, and we've made phenomenal gains in our health care delivery system. And our goal is not to attack the health care delivery system. needs to change. I mean, I heard a talk by Bernie Sanders last night talking about how problematic our health care delivery system is and how poor it is. That's Bernie Sanders. And that's everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. So we're not hiding any here. But again, what we believe is that we're an ally of the health care delivery system. We're an ally of

everybody out there that has a desire to want to engage in the conversation that we're engaging in right now, but it takes accept and responsibility. Yes. And a lot of our systems have told you that, well, let me throw this out there. Some people may not like what I'm about to say. But think about what the health insurance game. what is the music in the background with health insurance? One of the, the music in the background with health insurance is,

well, you know, you don't really need to be 100% responsible for your health because if something happens and you need, somebody else will pay for it. Yeah. Well, that's a very subtle and what's the word I'm looking for? that's a tricky way to get you to pull away from your own responsibility. Yeah. So we all, we have to step up to the plate. Quit blaming.

Yeah, we're not in a perfect world. Looks like Dr. Stephen dropped out for a minute. But Julia, we were mentioning the idea that health care. the background music of health care sort of allows people to not take responsibility for their own health. And I think it's a brilliant point.

Sometimes when we give away our fortitude, we give away our responsibility to somebody else, that skill in responsibility begins to atrophy. And when we rely on this other people to take care of us, it sort of makes our skills atrophy in some ways. What are your thoughts on that? It looks like I've had a couple people drop out right here. Let me bring up some of these comments over here.

First off, super stoked you're here, Charlotte. I think this is a great point. She says, mental and physical health influence each other. When this isn't addressed, it becomes chronic and spiraling fast. I would 100% agree with that aspect of it. She also says that this is a conversation that needs to happen. I agree, Charlotte. And much like Julia and Dr. Bezell were saying, even though the beginning starts with a conversation,

I think that there is lots of things as we as individuals, everybody here right now, like if we were all sort of united under one umbrella, we could begin taking actions today. Like, what would it look like if a hundred people on Tuesday at 10 a.m. made the same post about health care reform. If everybody did that, if we had like a, if we had a hundred people every Tuesday making the same post, I believe that's how something goes viral. And we don't need influencers. We don't need money behind it. We just need all of us being together on the same page, taking the same action. And it could be something that small. It could be all of us just like health reform 2025, look at your children.

It could be a simple message like that. And if we started with something like that, people would flow into it. If we could just even have like a landing page, like you already have the health reform 2025, the wellness initiative landing page. If we could get 100 people every Tuesday to make the same post at the same time, I believe that the amount of change you would see would become rapid. It would take on a life of its own. And then that's when we could build the structure around it. George, I liked your idea.

You know, and I think it's the, you know, we get the multiplier effect every time we have the opportunity, for example, to get on a program like yours, okay, to go out there and share the message. One of the things that we've done on the website, the, and the website does several things. It gives you an overview, all right, very user-friendly, but if you want to do a deeper dive, there is a link there to an executive summary, which takes you to the next level. And even in that executive summary, there is a link to the original position paper. so if you really have an interest and want to go into the weeds all right other than that by the time if you don't do any of the rest of that but you just like the idea in general if you go all the way to the end until you you'll hit there's a form there that you can fill out and submit and we're asking you to share your thoughts okay and because that gives us you know feedback are we doing this right could we be saying this a little differently I mean we're open for any kind of thoughts and considerations anybody would like to submit and as a thank you for anyone that submit the auto response coming back to somebody that hits a

submit buttons and send something is a little note that says you know thank you for taking the time you know we appreciate you taking the time and as a thank you for that here is a link to a complimentary a thank you free complimentary copy of the Optimal Life Special Edition, which is the 2025 refined edition, made it a little bit easier on the eyes, to the original 2008 book that I wrote, The Optimal Life, which basically people may or may not be aware of this, but I wrote that book in 2008, and then that book was an approved continuing ed program that I taught in the state of California. for not just chiropractors but for medical doctors and in the book itself was an online course at psychseu.com approved continuing education for marriage and family therapists social workers RNs and psychologists and the reason why that program got so much play back in 2006 and 2007 was because it was the only

continuing ed program offered for health care practitioners it was about wellness think about that for a minute that's out of control that discussed the wellness paradigm as we're talking about it right about mind body spirit emotion there's a health model in there that shows this relationship of mind body spirit and emotion then the 10 principles of wellness so it's really it's a how to guide that if you had this If you had that book coming out of the womb, you would have been able to create an entirely different life. You know, this brings up a really fascinating point for me. What if what's happening right now, like the disintegration of education, on some level, it almost seems to me that we're moving away from this centralized model, and each individual is becoming responsible for their health care? Like, what if we don't really, is it possible that that is the next evolution of health care is each individual?

taking their own courses, you know, it almost seems like money's drying up in this healthcare space and each individual is becoming their sovereign node. You know, is that, is that too far out there? What do you think? No, I think, well, I think that's exactly, I think that's exactly what we're trying to tell people and what we're trying to say is that you need, like, it is your responsibility. We do know that the body heals itself. You need to provide those conditions in order to let the body feel itself. Everybody does need to become their own sort of doctor. I mean, that's what prevention is all about.

We're not saying you don't need a hospital at some point. We're not saying that you're not going to get into, you know, an accident. But as we saw after COVID, you can't overburden a system and put all of these, you know, have all these people coming in at the, you know, like after 40, is when health really starts to decline and your body starts to break down based on how you've been treating it for the first 40 years of your life. And then, you know, everybody's like, well, just take this because, you know, you have indigestion or take this because your blood pressure is high or, and you know, and no one's really looking at the environment that that person is coming from,

you know, like what have you been dealing with emotionally? What have you been carrying emotionally? that you haven't been able to, like, lay it down. So you're completely right that everybody does need to start taking ownership and agency. And, like, to be sovereign, you need to understand who you physiologically and biologically are to want to be able to take the next steps to want to get well. Do you know what I mean? you can't outsource. I mean, I think that's what that's what our system has done, right? We have outsource our health completely to doctors, you know? So there's all these

experts on, you know, how to get healthy, how to be healthy, what you're supposed to do. But you're coming down the stream. I mean, there have been, I mean, again, going back to children, you have all these children with anxiety. And if you look at like, you know, what's the, what's the, what's what is happening now if i go to my children's school right now there's a medical form and there is so much like diseases disorders dysfunction medical you know medications i mean not right there should be like something is definitely out of alignment these children shouldn't be

burdened with diseases that should be happening in 50 60 70 year olds you know so anxiety is a symptom and it's happening in our children, and you have to say, like, why are they anxious? What are we doing to those children that they're becoming so anxious and dysregulated? What's happening to our world? The youngest, most vulnerable people are so anxious, so disregulated, so burdened by disease and disorder and dysfunction.

And, you know, a pill is not going to come and fix that. you know so you're 100% right that people need to start taking agency over themselves but again we're illiterate in how the body really works and there's so much noise that what we're trying to do is give people clarity and go back to basics and give them a simple blueprint of this is the foundational pillars of what you need in order to try to build a healthy life so you can start taking steps to live your optimal life. Everybody has a different level of where they're going to be based on their own biology, you know, desires, you know, how far they want to go and push their limits. So everybody's optimal life looks completely different. You know, my life is going to be

different than your life. Your life is going to be different than Steve's life. So there's no one-size-fits-all solution. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, that was beautifully said, Julian. Go ahead, doctor. My turn? Yeah, please. You're up in over here. She's no, she's quite eloquent. Absolutely. Two things. Number one. the special edition of health reform 2025 we actually encourage people that's a free thank-you gift give it away give other people that link all right send it to your friends this is this is our gift back to you all right because it just as Julia said this is it's the foundational pillars that these are the basics you

got to master the basics and And so there are very few other publications that I'm aware of, and I've been interviewed on this book on several occasions. And what was brought to my attention by the interviewers was that nobody has ever pulled together the whole enchilada, Steve, the way you have here with this, as a basic foundational starting point. So this is a first step that a person can take is to elevate their level of understanding. Okay.

George, here's another thing. People have no idea how much tougher it is to get healthy today than it was 20, 30 years ago. And so from a wellness literary standpoint, when I worked with my friend John and lost the weight, there were only what I call three pillars of wellness literacy there was healthy eating there was physical activity and then there was me

one-on-one coaching 24-7 so there was a support mechanism there so and I'm talking like 1980 so those were the only issues food is a lot worse now than it ever was in the past the stress levels was a lot worse now than it ever was in the past So back in 1980, when I was working with executive, there were only three pillars that I had to deal with.

All right, fast forward now, 1998, San Francisco medical doctor, Dean Ornish did a health hearty, health, a lifestyle heart study. Okay. Okay. He proved that you could reverse heart disease with lifestyle changes. And that's all I did with John. It was lifestyle changes. Very basic stuff. Very basic. We're not talking rocket science here. Well, if you look at Dean's program, Dean added a fourth pillar back there in 1998. so it was healthy eating physical activity support mechanism and he talked about aggressive integrative support for his people the fourth pillar was stress management because of the stress issue that Julia referenced and you made reference to as well okay fast forward 2025 now in the work that I do with

people there are five pillars okay they eat healthy the physical activity and what physical activity shows in all the research is it stimulates every physiological in the process in the body in a positive way period without exception all the all the neuroscientists are now singing the phrases of physical activity stress management routine detoxification of the body because of all the environmental toxins that everybody's exposed to on a regular basis that messes with your endocrine system as well as the chemistry of the body routinely whether it's going into a sauna infrared cold plunges what you have to do you have to do something on a routine basis to be able to do that and then that last pillar is a support mechanism So if I look back over time, the one critical ingredient, here's the truth, the only reason why John was able to lose the weight was because he had the support mechanism in place.

Dean Ornitz would probably tell you the same thing. The only reason he was successful at reversing heart disease in people that had angina and heart attacks, etc., etc., was because of the aggressive support mechanism. Other than that, 90% of the people will fail just based on the information. So a critical piece is the support. In corporate America, what the support would look like from a wellness standpoint was to teach the next generation of corporate leaders what wellness is really all about so that they can roll out a corporate blueprint infrastructure in the context. of addressing those kind of understanding that people have a spiritual, emotional, psychological, as well as a physical needs, and then create a nurturing environment around that that allows people to optimize their potential in the environment.

And the truth is, there's a lot of, there's a lot of folks out there that have expertise in all these different areas that we're talking about, that in the same way, see, here's what doesn't exist in the wellness space. And I actually tried to do this with alternative medicine providers. I created, back in 1996, I created the Alternative Health Alliance. and I went around to all the alternative industries. I went to chiropractic, I went to naturopathy, I went to acupuncture and Oriole medicine, and I tried to get them to come all together under one umbrella so that they could contract with third-party administrators

when we moved into managed care, so that they had, and they just didn't get it. Well, we could draw the same analogy now. We don't have a cohesive organization in wellness in the same way that medical doctors have the AMA. The health care delivery system all falls under the umbrella of the American Medical Association. So the education, the qualifications, et cetera, et cetera. that same kind of standardization with anybody in the nutrition space in the healthy all say healthy eating anybody in the healthy eating space anybody in the

physical activity space anybody in the stress management space anybody in the psychological coaching space see there are people that have all the expertise we're talking about they're just all fragmented so this is the other thing that this conversation taking and shifting the conversation from health care to health and creating health also opens a door for an opportunity to create the equivalent to an American a medical association but in the entire creating health space but I don't hear anybody talking about it there are different associations and qualifications you know

for nutritionists and for fitness coaches and this and that and the other thing so there's there's huge upside potential here there's absolutely huge upside potential but it has to start with these kind of conversations it's so interesting to me I feel like exactly what charla says right here sharta is a great point thanks for hanging out with this she says I feel that as long as there is money to gain from sick people it will be hard to make a real difference in the systems themselves. And when I look at the entirety of it, like from the coaching to wellness, to nutrition, it's almost, and not everybody, but it seems that the incentive is for sick people.

And like we keep, we keep babying everyone, oh, you're sick, you have this disease, you have this anxiety, you have this. Maybe you don't. Like, maybe you don't have those things. Maybe you're just listening to people tell you what your problem is. Maybe that's why people are so unhappy. There's this giant megaphone of everybody telling how sick you are, how much of a victim you are, how crappy your life is. And like when that megaphone is blared through the music, through TV, through movies, through the whole wellness industry on some level.

It's like we're all hoping people are sick so that we can help them. Well, you're motivating people with fear. Yes. You're getting. We're an epidemic of fear. It's a fear paradigm. Yes. Yeah.

And that's that we're not. about fear. Right. Well, I think you said that private conversation, you know, off camera. Illness is really like it's a message from your body, you know, and it doesn't, disease starts way before you actually have illness. So if you can shift what illness is trying to tell you instead of treating it like an emergency, you know, then you can redirect your energy and start taking steps and start taking ownership on how to backtrack. And I mean, I think diabetes is a really good example. Diabetes types too, right? Like that's a self-induced condition based on a whole bunch of lifestyle choices that can happen to somebody.

And when you start to give them the right tools or you, and they have a support system, as Steve said, whether that's a family, a friend, a school, anything, and you can walk them step by step, they can start to live better and live well. So. George, I actually owned a hospital 30 years ago. Virtual reality hospital. Okay.

Virtual reality. And I can't. Here's why I created it. Okay, and it goes to a point Julia brought up, and that is, if you look at any advanced disease, it never started as a disease. It never started as an advanced disease, okay? If you have lung cancer, all right, if you go all the way back, if you go back 20, 30, 40 years, what you would find is it was probably a predominance of colds and flus and bronchitis and progressive kind of things before it hit the tilting point where it kicked. then if you have colon cancer, if you have stomach cancer, all right, it didn't start as cancer. It started as indigestion.

It started as irritable bowel syndrome. It started as all these things early on and then just progressed over time. And I frame it a little bit differently than Julia does. Pain in your body is just a nature's way of smacking you upside the head and say, hey, pay attention. you're screwing up here you're not doing stuff it's good for yourself it's very

we can boil it down some very very basic stuff like that and then you just don't listen and because who has the megaphone is the healthcare delivery system and big pharma because remember there was a time when you know

United States and New Zealand are the only two countries on the globe that allow their pharmaceutical industry to advertise directly to consumers that's crazy that's absolutely freaking crazy yes and then and and you constantly get that and I mean we've seen it on television okay there's some drug that they're putting out there and it shows a beautiful young couple bouncing around all right and the kid in the swing and the balloons and the funny faces and the you know and then you know and then you got the voice in the

background and it's going very quickly that you know this can car heart attack and disease and cause your stomach to rupture and your legs to fall off and and it's like but it's okay to have that disease because he got the pretty pictures there that i mean you know where i'm going with this i mean it's just so we're not dealing with truth anymore we're not dealing with basics we're not dealing with the truth and here's the thing if you're going to play that game you're going to have to be responsible and our society and their culture has moved us in the direction of you don't need to be responsible you don't need to be 100% accountable and responsible for every thought that you think every emotion that you

feel every decision that you make and every word that you speak it starts with personal responsibility I feel like that should be the foundation of the movement like that was really well said like that is it's personal responsibility your health is your life that is the foundation right it is yes it is yeah so yeah well i was told that that that's why that's why everything i've done in life isn't the i'm not more popular than i am right now it's because i tell people they need to be responsible i think yeah i think that's true i think people don't want to be accountable and it's hard. I mean our legal our legal our legal system is that way and there's economic benefit if you can find somebody else and not accept total responsibility.

But here's the here's I shared this concept with Julia. Oh, the while ago. Okay. Either your, neither your ignorance nor your arrogance will excuse you from experience. the truth of what you're dealing with and that's why we have an unhealthy population people may not like to hear that but what you would find is somewhere along the lines they gave up their power they didn't take full responsibility George and that's why we need people like you and julia in the world to help people be reminded of that yeah thank you for that i i agree 100 and i i think people need to hear that message you know i think we all know that deep down like deep down

we all know that it's our responsibility to become the best versions of ourselves i heard a good quote one time that was like you know the difference the only difference between wellness and illness is we and i and i and i think some right like wellness and illness we and i yeah yeah yeah but i do i think we're moving forward in a way that and i think this conversation is a huge part of it and like i said just the beginning of the conversation is is what we need and um well i think it's good please oh no i was just going to say like that that's i think that's a message what we're trying to say like health health not health care not health reform it's that quiet infrastructure that allows everybody to live a meaningful life i mean when you look at people who are living a good life i mean look at all any any CEO will tell

you and i mean there's that famous quote like you can have a thousand problems in your life until you have your health problem and then all of your energy is consumed by how to get better and what to do to get better. And if you don't know how your basic biology works or you don't know how your body works and you don't know the, like Steve said, there are rules and laws to health. And none of us is immune if we violate those laws

and we violate those rules, we will all in some way, shape or form, be hit with the consequences of those decisions. and actions in our lives. Now, it's going to manifest in everybody differently because we're just different. So, you know, we could both be eating the wrong food and I could end up with indigestion and you could end up with chronic, like, headaches, you know, but both of us wouldn't really know until we start looking at what we're doing and we're saying like, oh, wait, let's look at the ingredients of this drink that we're consuming. Oh, it has something that's really bad for my

you know for my biology and it's toxic and no wonder my body is trying to what was that roberta roberta that roberta flaxon killing me softly killing me slowly yeah yeah i really think that's what steve and i are just trying to say like health is very important um and it is the foundation and there's clearly something off-kilter with how we're like the direction that we're headed in. And I don't think that people can solve this problem with just, you know, an economic, you know, fix or policy change. It really does need to be a paradigm shift in how we are looking at the future and, you know, our children and how to, I mean, a bunch of You can look at nature, right?

And you can go out in nature and you can say what a healthy, vibrant landscape looks like and what a diseased, you know, dilapidated, and other one doesn't. I mean, nature is built for abundance. It's built for health. That is the natural course and the natural state of being that we are all supposed to be operating from. Somehow it got flipped on its head and we're all. operating that, like, health is just this, you know, elusive thing for the rich and famous, or, you know, it's a privilege. And it's really not a privilege. Health is like, it's a basic

human right. It's a basic fundamental human right to have clean air, clean water, you know, fresh food, and the basic things that you need to get healthy. So when you operate from that level of paradigm and you start to bring people also who want to build with that foundation, you will create a new infrastructure. George, people don't see health through the following lens. OK. Everything that you do in your life either supports health or it pushes you in a direction of unhealth.

There is no gray zone. It's black and white. What our society and culture has misled us to believe is that they're gray zones. When it comes to your health, there is no gray zone. Everything you do is either pushing you in the direction of health and greater health, or it's pushing you in the direction of illness and disease, period. that's everything you do yeah yeah it's everything you do yeah it's true all your thoughts in your thoughts your feelings everything without exception that's why the concept of integrity

is so important you have to make a commitment to yourself i will not betray myself and go along with things that I feel like in your intuition, and I think that's what's happened. Like we have been misled not to trust our intuition about what's good for us and what's bad for us. I mean, I think COVID was a good example, unfortunately. A lot of people knew instinctively that these things were not good for us, yet everybody wanted to do what was right

or that they thought or that they believed what was right. And it was out of alignment with what, you know, the body knows to be their truth and what is healthy for them. So you really do have to say, like, I'm not going to betray myself, you know. If I was an alcoholic, for example, and every day I was like throwing up and I was, you know, I would have to say, like, I don't want to do that anymore. I'm going to make a commitment to give that up. And integrity is very, very hard. I don't think people understand. It's not like, I've decided to be healthy today, and then it's going to be so easy. And I think people get overwhelmed because I think they think, like, I don't know what to do. And I don't think health is that

complicated. You don't need to know how to do everything. You just need to know how to take the first step. And then, you know, it will come like baby steps. And then you take the second step, and the third step, on the fourth step, and so on. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I, I really feel like we're in the midst of this transformation, and everybody is sort of getting back their sovereignty. And sometimes the most opportunity looks like collapse. You know what I mean by that? Like on some ways, it almost looks like we're collapsing. But what if that's not the case?

What if what's happening is a whole new wave of sovereignty? Of course, all the institutions that were relying on you to be sick. Of course, all these old sort of scaffolding is breaking down. but in that same moment, maybe something new is being born. I think that's sort of the crux of health reform 2025. I think that it's something that everybody can find a way to contribute, even if it's in their own life, in their own family, in their own community. It seems to me that it is a banner.

We're just framing. We're putting words to things that people know and have felt. but they haven't necessarily known how to verbalize it the way we do. Yeah, yeah. We're creating new language for it. Dr. Stephen and Julia, absolutely amazing. And like I said, the first of many. I think that people will be starting to see your guys social media channels coming up.

I think that there's a lot of ways people can reach out to you according to these QR codes underneath on the screen right here. But as we're coming up right here, I want to kick up. it back to both of you just for a moment to talk about what you have coming up where people can find you and what you're excited about let me start with you julia oh it looks like a freeze frame let me kick it over to you then doctor stephen where can people find you if they want to learn more about health reform 2025 if they want to get involved if they want to know what you got coming up next where's the best place to reach out to you and what you got coming up. Well, you know, you can the, I mean, you can, you can go to LinkedIn, my profile there,

my personal phone number's there, my email address is there. I mean, really, I mean, it's like, I'm not that, I'm not that hard to find. You know, and I think it's just getting out there and just continue to do the kind of thing we're doing here, again, in front of as many forms as possible to share what it is that we're about, you know, I think it'll help other people connect the dots the way you've helped connect the dots here today, George, you know, and help with that. You know, when I said, I think that, you know, we verbalize and reframe a little differently, things that people have felt, but they may not have known how to connect all the dots. There might be a dot or two missing so they're not quite sure that I think what we do is we can

validate the truth that they're holding within themselves that basically is empowering and then you can go to the website health reform 2025.org where you can get access to the executive summary from the executive summary you can get access to the, if you want to do a deep dive, to the 2009 original position paper. Because we really go into the weeds on all the different discussion points of what, you know, what the strategic implementations would actually look like. And there are many moving parts, we'll put it that way. But it doesn't matter. The first thing is to do whatever you need to do for yourself that's in your best interest from a health standpoint.

and from a personal empowerment standpoint stop giving up your power it's really well said let me see if I can bring Julia back on she's kind of lost your lost you on the sound George oh okay and then lost him on the sound right Julia kicked out and kicked back in again okay looks like I'm going to have to do the same thing

nice well I will Hang on briefly afterwards to everybody else. To everybody within the sound of my voice, I'm so grateful you're here with us today. Go down to Health Reform 2025. Check out the Wellness Initiative and become part of the movement to make your life the best life possible. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you have a beautiful day. That's all we got, Aloha. You can't

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