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Thank you to everybody who has taken a moment to give me some feedback and is enjoying the series. I'm really enjoying it. I've actually learned that I do not have all the books in the series cause I'm an awesome listener. And looking forward to picking up some more of those let's jump right in here. For those of you catching up on speed. We left off with the critique of history by sir Isaac Newton. Additionally, the critique of Newton being crazy in his old age, according to the church representatives at the time. Now we'll be getting into the next part. Nikolai Alexandrovich Morozov LSI Vavilov wrote the following about in a Morozoff in a Morozov managed to combine his selfless revolutionary devotion to his people with a completely amazing dedication to scientific work. 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Check out the entire song at the end of the cast.
Welcome back, my friends.
We got history, fiction or science, part two.
volume one, so I guess it'd be like 1.2. Thank you to everybody who's taken a moment to give me some
feedback and is enjoying the series. I'm really enjoying it. I've actually learned that I do not have
all the books in the series because of an awesome listener. And looking forward to picking up
some more of those. Let's jump right in here. For those of you catching up on speed, we left off
with the critique of history by Sir Isaac Newton.
Additionally, the critique of Newton being crazy in his old age,
according to the church representatives at the time.
Now we'll be getting into the next part.
Nikolai Alexandrovich Morozov.
S.I. Vavlov wrote the following about N.A. Marizov.
N.A. Marizov managed to combine his selfless revolutionary devotion to his people with a completely amazing dedication to scientific work.
This scholarly enthusiasm and the completely unconditional, passionate love for scientific research should remain an example to be followed by,
all scientists, young and old.
Sergei Ivanovich Vavlov, essays and memoirs.
Moscow.
Naskau Publishing, 1981, page 284.
I'm not sure we need the footnotes,
but I'll throw them in until I get some feedback.
The first researcher of our time
who had raised the issue of providing scientific basis
for the consensual chronology
in its fullest and quite radically,
was Nikolai
Alexandrovich
Morzaa
Figures 1.15,
1.16, 1.17
We can see a monument.
You can also see some
images of the man. I'm going to put those
in the pictures below so you can look for him down there.
I'm going to try and match up
the pictures in the book with where we're at
in the story.
It may not match exactly.
However, if you look close, you should be able to follow along.
In a Morozov was an imminent Russian scientist and encyclopedist
whose fortune was far from easy.
Morozov's father, Peter, was a rich landowner
and belonged to the old aristocratic Shepkin family.
In a Morozov's great-grandfather was a relation of Peter the Great.
N. A. Morozov's mother was a simple surf peasant, Anna Voslveina Morova, whom P.A. Shopkin married after signing her liberty certificate.
The church did not confirm the marriage, and so the children received their mother's surname.
At the age of 20, N.A. Morozov joined the libertarian Narodinaya Volia movement.
In 1881, he was sentenced for incarceration in Schleselberg for life, where he had studied chemistry, physics, astronomy, mathematics, and history, all on his own.
In 1905, he was let free, having spent 25 years in Gaul.
After having received his freedom, he had immersed himself in a vast body of scientific and pedagogical work.
his memoirs are of the greatest interest see figures one point two too many authors wrote about morozov his literary biography for example is written by m a papov
after the october revolution morozov became director of the leszgaft institute for national scientific studies
where he had done the major part of his famous research in ancient chronology with
the use of natural scientific methods supported by enthusiasts and the staff of the Institute.
After A. M. Morazov left his director's office, the Institute was completely reformed,
possibly with the objective of casting the important historical research conducted there
by A. Morazov and his group into oblivion.
Morozov has made honorable member of the Russian Academy of Sciences,
decorated with the order of linen and the red banner of labor.
More about the body of his prominent work in chemistry and several other natural sciences
can be read in multiple publications.
In 1907, Morozov published a book titled Revelations in Storm and Tempest,
where he analyzed the dating of the New Testament, Apocalypse,
and came to conclusions that contradicted the scalegiate,
chronology. In 1914, he published The Prophets, which contains a radical revision of the
Scaligerian datings of the biblical prophecies. In 1924 to 1932, Morozov published the fundamental
work Christ in several volumes. The initial name of this opus had been the history of human
culture and the natural scientific point of view. It contains detailed criticisms of the
Scaligerian chronology. The important fact discovered by Morozov was the consensual scaligerian chronology
is based on an unverified concept. Having analyzed a great body of material, Morozov put forth and
partially proved the fundamental hypothesis that Scalinger's chronology had been expanded arbitrarily
as compared to reality. This hypothesis was based on the repetitions that Morozov had found, namely the text
that apparently described in the same events, but are dated differently and considered unrelated in our time.
The publication of this work caused vivid discussions in the press, and its repercussions can be found in contemporary literature.
There have been a number of rational counterarguments, but the critical part of Christ remained undisputed in its entirety.
apparently Morozov had been unaware of the similar works of Sir Isaac Newton and Edwin Johnson,
that were all but forgotten by his time.
This makes the fact that many of Morozov's conclusions coincide with those of Newton and Johnson,
all the more amazing.
However, Morozov raised the issue as a much wider and more profound one,
having encompassed the entire period up to the 7th century,
in the frame of critical analysis and found the need for a radical revision of datings.
Despite the fact that Morozov had also failed to discover any sort of system in the chaos of altered
datings that arose, his research was performed on a higher qualitative level than Newton's analysis.
Morozov was the first scientist to have possessed the clear understanding of the necessity of revising the
datings of medieval events, as well as those belonging to ancient history. Nevertheless, Morozov did
not go further than the 7th century in time, considering the consensual version of the chronology
of the 7th to the 13th century to be basically correct. We shall yet see that this opinion
of his turned out to have been gravely erroneous. Thus, the issues raised in our works are hardly new.
that they reoccur century after century and get voiced even louder shows that the problem in question
does exist and the fact that the independently suggested alterations of the ancient chronology
those of Newton Johnson and Morozov are close to each other in principle is a clear witness that
the solution to the problem we're studying lies somewhere in this direction it is worthwhile to
give a brief account of the creation of Morozov's Christ. His ideas met vehement opposition. As early as
during the publication stage, Morozov had to address Lenin as the head of state personally in 1921
and ask him for his support. Lenin had delegated the study of the issue to V. Lancharski.
Let us quote Lancharski's reply.
from Lancharski to Lennon
Dear Comrade Lennon
I received your requests
in Morozov's book,
Christ signed by
Comrade Gorbanov.
It would please me greatly
to delegate this matter
to the editing board
responsible for such matters.
I, for one, am familiar
with the work in question.
It is perfectly preposterous
thing that uses a ridiculous
demonstration to prove the date of
the solar and lunar eclipse is, that the gospel refers to as having accompanied the crucifixion
and occurred on Friday, that Christ had lived in the 5th century and not in the first, and uses this
data to deny the existence of such historical characters as Julius Caesar, who turns out to have
really been identified as Julian, the apostate, Augustus, etc. Also suspecting the falsification of the writings
of Cicero, Horace, etc.
As really referring to the Middle Ages.
I like and respect Morozov a lot,
but this book is so bizarre
that its publication
shall definitely bring harm
to the name of the author
and the state publishing house.
If serious science
treated Morozov's demonstration
concerning the apocalypse with great suspicion,
the book Christ, in its turn,
can be regarded as completely
absurd and based on the same scientific one-sidedness.
If you consider this reply of mine not to be competent enough, I'll be glad to hand the book over
to specialists for consideration, the People's Commissioner A. Lancharski.
Shortly afterwards, having met Morozov personally and witnessed the detailed scientific report
that the scientist had made during their meeting, Lucharski had radically changed his mind about
the book and sent the following
missive to Lennon as
early as August 12, 1921,
in complete contradiction of his previous letter
from Lancharski
to Lennon to the State Publishing
House with a copy to be delivered
to the Committee of People's Commissars.
Although I could not familiarize myself
with the actual manuscript
of Comrade Morozov's
voluminous opus Christ and his time,
an oral report of its contents made by the author and a demonstration of several tables made me consider
its publication as a matter of considerable importance one that is to be addressed as soon as possible
since the work is rather large three volumes 50 sheets all and all and seeing as how we still haven't
emerged from the state of acute paper crisis i would offer the petersburg branch
of the state publishing house to cut the addition down to 4,000 copies at least in order to get it published without delay.
People's comments are of Education, Lancharsky.
The comment of the editors is also noteworthy.
The contradiction between the two Lancharski's letters to Lennon dated April 13th and August 12, respectively,
can be explained by the fact that Lancharsky had revised his initial reply.
The complete collection of linen's works erroneously states that Lancharski expressed a negative opinion of Morozov's work later on calling it non-scientific.
Nevertheless, the first volume of Christ took three more years to be published in 24.
Morozov had to request support from the government yet again.
This time, it took the participation of F.E. Dürgensky.
Here is a fraction of.
of the D'Argenzky letter to Morozov dated 14th August 1924.
Dear Nikolai Alexandrovich, I am prepared to provide any assistance you may need in order to get your writing published.
Just tell me what I have to do exactly, what obstacles need to be removed and what people need
to talk to.
I will be most glad if I manage to be of use to you in any way at all, kindest regards.
section. Recent publications of German scientists containing criticisms of Scaligerian chronology.
In the period since the publication of our works on chronology, which started to appear in 1980,
several German scientists have also published the rather interesting results of their research
containing a critical analysis of the Scaligerian chronology.
The first of these publications appeared in 1996.
The ones we consider the most noteworthy are those written by Ui Topper, as well as Herbert Illig.
Was there really a Charlemagne, which claims that many documents, which were ascribed to Charlemagne's epoch,
today are really more recent forgeries.
and builds a hypothesis that one needs to withdraw about three centuries from the medieval history,
including that of Charlemagne's age.
It has to be said that the chronological obtruncation suggested by Herbert is of a local nature.
Herbert Illig and his colleagues are of the opinion that the contradictions they noticed in the Scaligerian history can be resolved by,
minor corrections, such as subtracting 300 years from the history of medieval Europe.
Our works demonstrate the deficiency of such local expurgations.
What we claim is that the entire edifice of the Scaligerian chronology needs a cardinal revision
in all that concerns the times preceding the 13th through the 16th century.
The veracity of the Scaligerian chronology of ancient Egypt is questioned in,
When did the pharaohs live?
By Gunner Heinzhen and Herbert Illig.
One has to mention that the authors fail to make so much as a passing reference
to the scientific overtures of Morozov, which were published in the early 20th century.
Morozov's epic body of work entitled Christ, which was published in 24 and questioned the entire
chronology of ancient Egypt pointed out the numerous collations of Egyptian dynasties
and reasoned the necessity of a substantial concision of the ancient Egyptian history.
Alack and alas there are no known translations of Morozov's works except for the German text of the
revelations in storm and tempest. Despite our numerous appeals, Herbert Illig and his colleagues
still refused to recognize the existence of Morozov's research. It was only recently that the
alternative history, Salon presided over by Professor Gabotsvich, finally managed to get the name
of Morozov mentioned in German scientific debates. We should also point out,
Gunner Heinzons, Assyrian rulers equaling those of Persia, 1185, where certain parallels are drawn
between the comparative ancient histories of Assyria and Persia. However, Hindson
fails to raise the possibility of transferring the events of that age into the medieval epoch,
leaving them in the antediluvian historical period, which we believe to be a
mistake. The suggestively titled C-14 Crash by Christian Blas and Hans Ulrich Neemitz is also interesting
and contains a voluminous body of evidence used by the authors to question the feasibility of
using the radiocarbon analysis method, in its current state, at least, as well as the
dendrochronological method. For the dating and
of historical artifacts with any degree of proficiency.
The questionable veracity of the Roman chronology and history,
the hypercritical school of the 19th century.
Let us give a brief account of the situation
with the Roman chronology,
which has played a leading role in the global chronology of antiquity,
fundamental criticisms of the traditional criticisms of the tradition,
commenced as early as the 18th century in the Academy of Scriptures and Fine Arts.
That was founded in Paris in 1701, and two decades later hosted extensive discussions about the veracity of the entire Roman tradition.
The accumulated materials provided the basis for the more in-depth criticisms of the 19th century.
one of the prominent representatives of this important scientific current, later dubbed hypercriticism,
was the well-known German historian Theodore Moomsen, who pointed out the discrepancies between various accounts in such passages as,
despite the fact that Tarquin II had already been an adult by the time his father died,
and that his reign had started 39 years after that,
he got inaugurated as a, quote, young lad.
Pythagoras, who had arrived in Italy almost an entire generation
before the exile of the kings,
which is supposed to have happened around 509 BC,
is nevertheless supposed to have been a friend of Numa Pompellus.
Historians are of the opinion that Numa died around 673 BC.
The discrepancy here reaches a century at least.
To carry on quoting from T-Molensum,
the state ambassadors who went to the city of Syracuse
in the year 262 since the foundation of Rome
had conversed with Dionysus the senior,
whose reign started 86 years later.
what we see as a deviation of about eight decades.
The Scaligerian chronology of Rome is constructed upon a most flimsy foundation indeed.
The time interval between different datings of the foundation of Rome,
which is a date of the greatest importance, is as large as 500 years.
According to Hellenisus and Demosus,
who are supposed to have lived in the sixth,
century BC, and whose opinion on the matter was later supported by Aristotle, Rome had been founded
by Anaeus and Ulysses, and named after the Trojan woman Roma. Several medieval authors concurred
with this as well in Jean de Corse's Chronique de la Bocerche. We see a miniature, notably named,
Trojans founding cities, Venice, Sicambre, Carthage, and Rome.
The miniature can be seen in figure 1.25.
One has to remark that it represents a medieval scene.
And the two Trojan kings have arrived to inspect the building site,
are wearing warm fur hats with ear flaps.
Okay, pausing here,
if you look down in the video now or on the screen you should be able to see the pictures
that were described in the previous text the pictures do in fact look like a medieval
manuscript and they are indeed wearing the what looks like at least to my untrained eye
medieval garb.
From now on, I'm going to try to put the pictures
right when I talk about them, so you can look down and see.
Thus, the foundation of Rome occurs immediately
after the Trojan War, with both
Anaeus and Ulysses took part in.
But in the consensual chronology of Scalinger,
the interval between the Trojan War,
which allegedly took place
in the 13th century BC
and the foundation of Rome
which is said to have occurred
in the 8th century BC
is 500 years this means one of the following
the foundation of Rome took place 500 years later
than it is generally thought
the Trojan war occurred 500 years later
or the chronographers
are deliberately lying about
Anaeus and Ulysses founding Rome. Also, what happens to Romulus in this scenario? Could Romulus have been another
name for Ulysses? A lot of questions arise, as you can see, and they only increase in number
once we start delving further in. Apropos, according to a different version, the city was named
by Romulus, the son of Ulysses, and Circe.
Could this mean that Romas, or Riemus, the brother of Romulus, was the son of Ulysses?
This would be impossible without the paradigm of Scaligerian chronology, naturally.
The historian, B. Nice, has the following to say about it, Rome, as well as many other Italian cities,
was once considered to have been founded by the heroes of Greece and Troy that wound up in those parts.
There is a variety of legends to prove it.
The most ancient one, which was quoted by Helenicus and Damascus as early as the 4th century BC,
and later by Aristotle, claims that the city was founded by Enais and Ulysses and received its name from the Trojan one.
woman Roma. Another version suggests Ramos, the son of Ulysses and Circe, to have been its founder.
Let us reiterate that there are about 500 years separating this date from the consensual one.
Such tremendous fluctuations in the determination of a date as important as that of the
foundation of the city, Rome, affect the datings of a great number of documents that use it,
as a temporal reference point.
The well-known history by Titus Levy is one of them.
Actually, the identification of the city with the Italian Rome is one of the hypotheses of the
Scaligerian chronology.
The possibility that the city can be identified as the famous Rome upon the Bosporus or
Constantinople, also known as Zargrad, or the city.
city of kings cannot be excluded.
By and large, historians
are of the opinion that the traditional
Roman history has received
us via the works of a
mere handful of authors.
The more fundamental
one doubtlessly
being the historical opus
by Titus Levy,
it is believed that Titus Levy was born
around 59 BC
and described a 700-year
period of Roman history.
35 books survived out of the original 144.
The first publication of his writings took place in 1469
and was based on a manuscript of unknown origin currently lost.
The discovery of a manuscript with five more works occurred in Hassan sometime later.
T. Momsen wrote,
in what concerns the Global Chronicle,
everything was a lot worse.
The development of the historical science
gave hope for traditional history
to be verified by documents
and other dependable sources.
But the hope was buried in complete frustration.
The more research was conducted
and the deeper it went,
the more obvious.
The difficulties in right,
writing a critical history of Rome became.
Furthermore, Bombson tells us that the numeric inviracities
have been systematic in his works.
Until the contemporary historical period,
he, Alexander Poyister, gave an example of putting the missing 500 years
that had passed since Troy fell
and until Rome had been founded
into chronological perspective.
We have to remind the reader
that according to the chronological version
that differs from the consensual,
Rome was founded immediately after the fall of Troy.
Having filed this period with a list of ghostly rulers
just like the one that were used widely
by the chronographers of Egypt and Greece,
apparently he was the one who brought the kings
Aventinus and Tiberinus, as well as the Albanian clan of Sylvians into existence.
The descendants didn't miss their opportunity to invent first names and periods of reigning.
They even painted portraits for better representation.
These criticisms are also reviewed by Nice.
Theodore Mumson was far from being the only scientist to suggest the review.
the revision of these most important dates from the ancient times.
A detailed account of what the historians later labeled the ultra-sceptical stance.
The version questioning the veracity of the chronology of the regal Rome,
as well as our entire knowledge of the first five centuries of Roman history,
can be found in the problems inherent.
in making the Roman documents concur with the chronology of Scalinger are related in 1481.
According to the historian in Radzig, the matter here is that the Roman manuscripts have not survived until our times.
So all of our presumptions are based on whatever the Roman analysts have to tell us.
but even here we run into major difficulties.
The principle one being that
even the analyst material is represented very poorly.
The great annals of Rome have perished.
It is assumed that the Roman Fausty
gave yearly chronological lists
of all the civil servants of ancient Rome.
These tables could theoretically provide
for a trustworthy chronological skeleton of sorts.
However, the historian G. Mardinov inquires,
how do we make this all concur with the constant controversy
that we encounter in almost every text of Levy?
In the names of the councils, their frequent omissions among other things,
and a complete lay's fair attitude to the choice of names.
How do we make it correspond with the names of the military tribunes?
The Fosty are literally modeled with errors and distortions
that one cannot make heads or tails of.
Levy himself was already aware of how flimsy this foundation of his chronology had been.
G. Mardinob sums up with the following.
neither dioros nor levy possesses a correct chronology we cannot trust the fausty which tell us nothing about who was made consul in which year or the cloth writings that led lisinus marcus and tubero to contradictory conclusions the most trustworthy documentation is the kind that becomes identical
as much more recent forgeries after in-depth analysis.
It is thus somewhat disconcerning to hear the modern chronologist E. Brickman
assure us of the following.
Since we possess full lists of Roman consuls for 1,050 years,
the Julian dating for each one of them can be.
deduced easily, given that the ancient datings are voracious.
The closed-tonged implication is made that we possess a definite, trustworthy Julian dating
of the foundation of Rome, despite the fact that the 500-year fluctuations of this date
affect the entire consul list, as well as the whole history of ancient Rome based on this
list. The actual monograph of Brickman also sadly fails to contain so much as a hint of a justification
for the fundamental dates in the ancient chronology. Instead of relating the dating basics,
the book just offers a number of individual examples that explicitly or implicitly refer
to the a priori known scheme of the consensual scaly.
Ligerian chronology.
The problems in establishing a correct chronology of ancient Egypt.
This significant discrepancy is between the chronological data offered by the ancient sources
and the global chronology of the ancient times as devised in the 17th century arose in
other areas as well. For instance, the establishment of the Egyptian chronology
presented some substantial difficulties, since a great many documents contain chronological
contradictions. Let us examine the correlation between the classical history of Herodotus
and the Scaligerian chronology. For instance, in his consecutive,
and coherent account of Egyptian history, Herodotus calls Chiops, the successor of Ramsonidos.
The modern commentator will immediately correct in the following manner.
Herodotus creates confusion in a chronology of Egypt.
Ramsanotis was a king of the 14th dynasty, whereas Chiops,
belong to the fourth.
The discrepancy here equals
1,200 years, no less.
Just think of what
the figure implies
and of its sheer value.
Twelve hundred years.
Let us carry on.
According to Herodotus,
Asici's was succeeded
by Anysus.
Modern commentary
is also rash to tell us
that Herodotus
leaps from the end of the fourth dynasty to the beginning of the Ethiopian reign in Egypt.
The leap is one of 1800 years.
1800 years.
In general, it turns out that the chronology of the kings given by Herodotus
does not concur with that found in the fragments of Monotheo's list of kings.
As a rule, the chronology of Herodotus is much shorter than the Scaligerian version.
The time intervals between kings, according to Herodotus, are often thousands of years shorter
than corresponding periods as given by Manateon.
The history of Herodotus contains a great number of minor errors, those of 30 to 40 years.
However, they only come to existence.
as a result of attempts to fit his history into the Scaligerian chronology.
We quote a few of the numerous examples of such occurrences.
The modern commentator tells us that Herodotus confuses King Cessotrus with the King Cometrix, the first.
Also, Pidicus could not have met Crozius in.
560 BC.
Another event related by Herodotus is commented upon thusly.
It is an error made by Herodotus.
Solon could not have met Croceus.
But how can this be true?
Herodotus devotes an entire page to relating the interactions between Croceus and
Solon.
Scaligerian chronology on the other hand tells us,
no such interactions ever took place.
The commentators also accuse Herodotus of dating solar eclipses incorrectly, and so on and so forth.
We should note that the choice of one chronological version from several contradicting ones is far from simple.
There had been a conflict between the so-called short and long chronologies of Egypt that were developed,
in the 19th century.
The short chronology is the one currently used,
but it still consists a great many deep contradictions which remain unresolved.
The most prominent German Egyptologist H. Brugash wrote,
when the reader inquires about whether any epochs and historical moments concerning the pharaohs,
Pharaohs can be considered to possess a finite chronological assessment, and when his curiosity
makes him turn to the tables compiled by a great variety of scientists, he will be surprised
to find himself confronted with a large number of opinions on the chronological calculations
of the Pharaoh era belonging to the representatives of the newest
school. For instance, the German scientists date the ascension of menace, the first Egyptian
Pharaoh to the throne as follows. Boak dates this event to 5702 BC. Unger 5613 BC. Bruges to 4455 BC.
Laoth to 51. Excuse me.
south to 41 57 BC lepsius to 3892 BC Bunsen to 3623 BC the difference between the two extreme
datings is mind-boggling since it amounts to 2,079 years I should read that again just for
effect for everybody the difference between the two extreme dating
is mind-boggling since it amounts to 2,079 years.
The most fundamental research conducted by competent scientists for the verification of the
chronological sequence of the pharaoh's reigns and the order of dynastical succession
had also proved the necessity of allowing for simultaneous and parallel rains that would
greatly reduced the summary reigning time of the 30 Manetho's dynasties. Despite all these
scientific discoveries made in this error of Egyptology, the numeric data condition remains extremely
unsatisfactory to this day. The situation hasn't improved to the present day. Modern tables date
the beginning of the reign of Menace differently to approximately 3,100 BC, roughly,
3,000 BC, the fluctuation span for this date amounts to 2,700 years.
If we consider other opinions, those of the French Egyptologists, for instance, the situation
becomes even more complex.
Campullian gives the dating as 5867 BC, Lausseur, 57B.
5770 BC
Mariette
5,00 BC
Chavez 4,000 BC
Meyer, 3180 BC
Palmer
2224
The discrepancy
Between the datings of
Champollion and Palmer
equals 3,643
years
No commentary is needed
We discover that
generally
Egyptology
which had poured some light over the perpetual darkness that had covered the ancient age of Egypt
only came into existence 80 years ago, as Chantepi de la Sasse wrote at the end of the 19th century.
He also said that it has been the private domain of a very few researchers,
a lack and alas, the results of their research,
have been popularized in too much haste.
Thus many erroneous views had come into existence,
which resulted in the inevitable sobering
when Egyptology became a lotless vogue,
and the excessive trust in the results of the research was lost.
To this day, the construction of the Egyptian chronology remains impossible.
The situation with the list of kings compiled by Sumerian priest is even more complex.
It was a historical skeleton of sorts, one that resembled our chronological tables.
But sadly, this list was of little utility.
By and large, the chronology of the king list makes no sense.
According to the prominent archaeologist El Wully,
furthermore, the dynastical sequence have been set arbitrarily.
We see that the great antiquity ascribed to these lists today contradicts modern archaeological information.
Let us give just one example that we consider representing enough.
Telling us about the excavations of what we consider to be the most ancient royal Sumerian sepulchures, dated roughly to the third millennium before Christ.
Woolie mentions a series of findings of golden toiletry, which was toiletery, I'm a little tired.
Golden, they wouldn't have golden toiletry. Come on, George, you with the program.
All right, which was of Arabic origin and belonged to the early 13th century.
According to one of the best experts in the field,
Woolie patronizingly calls the expert's mistake a forgivable one
since no one had thought such advanced art could have existed in the third millennium before Christ.
Unfortunately, the development of the entire critical concept
and the propagation of the hypercritical current of the late 19th, early 20th century, froze.
due to the sheer lack of objective statistic methods at the time,
ones that could provide for the independent and objective verification
of the previous chronological identifications.
The problem in dating the ancient sources,
Tacitus and Pogio, Cicero, and Barziza,
Vitruvius, and Albert.
30, the framework of the global Scaligerian chronology was constructed as a result of the analysis of the chronological indications given by the ancient sources.
It is natural that the issue of their origin should be of interest in this respect.
Modern histography manifests the posity of evidence in what concerns.
the genesis of such ancient manuscripts.
The general observation is made that the overwhelming majority of these documents
surfaced during the Renaissance epic that allegedly superseded the Dark Ages.
The discovery of manuscripts often happened under circumstances that forbade the analysis
which could allow the critical dating of such findings.
In the 14th century, two prominent has been.
historians, Hockhart and Ross, published the results of their research, proving that the famous
ancient Roman history by Cornelius Tacitus was really written by the well-known Italian
humanist Pogio Brocolini. The publications occurred in the years 1882 to 1885 and 1878.
readers may turn their attention to 21, which covers this problem exhaustively.
We should just note that we deem the history by Tacitus to be an edited original,
that is a partial forgery and not a complete one.
However, the events related therein have been misdated and transposed far back in time.
The history of the discovery of Tacitus books really provokes a great many questions.
It was Poghion, who discovered and published the opuses of Quintilian, Valoreas, Flaccus, Asconius, Pendianus,
Nonius, Marcellus, probus, some tractates by Cicero, Lucretius, Petronius, Ploutus, Tertullian,
Marcellinels, Calpurn.
The circumstances of these discoveries and their datings have never been related in detail.
See more about the history of Tacitus' books in Chronological Chapter 7.
In the 15th century, famous humanists such as Manuel Chrysolaris,
Jamisto Pliton, Bessonarion of Nysaia,
and some others came to Italy.
They were the first ones to familiarize Europe
with the achievements of the ancient Greek thought.
Byzantium gave the West almost all of the known ancient Greek manuscripts.
Otto Neubauer wrote that the major part of the manuscripts,
that our knowledge of the Greek science is based upon
consists of Byzantine copies made 500 to 1,500 years after the death of their authors.
According to Scaligerian history, the entire bulk of the classical ancient literature only surfaced during the Renaissance.
In most cases, detailed analysis shows us that the obscurity of the literature's origins and the lack of documentation concerning
its passage through the so-called dark ages, leads one to suspect that none of these texts
had really existed before the dawn of the Renaissance. For instance, the oldest copies of the so-called
incomplete collection of Cicero's texts are said to have been made in the 9th through 10th century,
A.D. However, one instantly finds out that the original of the incomplete collection had perished a long time ago. In the 14th to 15th century, there is a surge of interest in Cicero. So, finally, about 1420, the Milanese professor, Gasparino Barziza, decided to undertake a rather precarious endeavor.
of filling the gaps in the incomplete collection
with his own writings for the sake of consequentiality.
That's nice of him, isn't it?
However, before he could finish this volume of work,
a miracle occurred, a forlorn manuscript,
with the complete text of all the rhetorical works of Cicero
becomes unearthed in a parochial Italian town,
by the name of Lodi.
Barziza and his students eagerly embrace the new discovery,
arduously decipher its ancient script, and finally produce a readable copy.
Subsequent copies constitute the actual complete collection.
Meanwhile, the erocable happens.
The original of the collection, the manuscript.
of Lodi becomes abandoned since no one wants to confront the textual difficulties it presents
and finally gets sent back to Lodi where it disappears without a trace.
Nothing is known of what happened to the manuscript since 1428.
The European phylogists still lament the loss.
Incidentally, the reverse or so-called Arabic reading of that,
the name Barziza gives T-S-T-S-R-B without vocalizations, which is close to the consonant root of the
name Cicero. Figures 1.28 and 1.29 show two ancient miniatures from a book by Cicero that was
allegedly published in the late 15th century. In figure 1.1.1.5,000, in figure 1
point two eight cicero is portrayed from the left writing the tractate on the old age in figures one point two nine
cicero is depicted from the right side pinning out the tractate on friendship we see a typically
medieval setting cicero and his interlocutors are wearing mid-evil clothes which means
that the author of the miniatures
in the 15th century or later
apparently did not doubt
Cicero to have been his
historical contemporary
De Vida 13
Caesarium
by Caius Soutonius
is also only available
as relatively
recent copies
all of them hail
back to the only ancient manuscript that is presumed to have been in Einhard's possession in the alleged
year 818 AD. His Vita Corolli Magni is supposed to represent a diligent copy of the biographical schemes of Soutonius today.
The original document, known as the Fold of Manuscript, did not reach our time, and neither did the first copies.
The oldest of Soutonius' copies is hypothetically the 9th century text that was only brought to light in the 16th century.
Other copies are dated to the post-11th century epoch in the Scaligerian chronology.
The fragments from Devereus Illustribis by Soutonius also appeared very late.
The alleged dating of the latest fragment is the 9th century AD.
This manuscript was discovered by Pogio Brocoliating.
in Germany in 1425.
The Herzfeld manuscript did not survive.
Nothing but several pages from the Tacitus part remained.
But about 20 of its copies did survive.
Those were made in Italy in the 15th century.
The dating of the ancient sources was performed in the 16th through 17th,
century out of considerations that are perfectly nebulous to us nowadays. De Arcatura by
Vitruvius was discovered as late as 1497 according to N.A. Morizov. The astronomical part of the book
quotes the periods of heliocentric planetary circulations with the utmost precision.
Vitruvius, an architect who was supposed to have lived in the first and second century,
knew these periods better than Copernicus, the astronomer.
Furthermore, his error in what concerns the circulation of Saturn differs from the modern value of the period
by a ratio of 0.007.
The error ratio for Mars is 0.006 and a mere 0.003 for Jupiter.
We should mark the magniloquent parallels between the books of the ancient Vitruvius and those of Alberti.
the prominent humanist of the 15th century.
See figure 130.
One cannot fail to notice.
A certain semblance of the names
Alberti and V. Truvius.
Bearing in mind the frequent inflection of the sounds B and V.
Alberti is known as a prominent architect, the author of the fundamental theory of architecture
that is very similar to the theory of the ancient Vitruvius, as well as the ancient Vitruvius,
the medieval Alberti, was the author of a voluminous tractate that included mathematical, optical,
and mechanical knowledge, as well as from his theory of architecture.
The title of the Middle Evil Opus of Alberti's The Ten Books on Architecture coincides with its ancient analog by Vitruvius.
Nowadays, it is supposed that the ancient Vitruvius had been his ultimate ideal that he emulated in the creation of his tractate.
Alberti's volume is written in the archaic manner.
Accordingly, the specialist have long ago compiled tables comparing fragments of the works by Alberti and Vitruvius, which sometimes coincide word for word.
Historians explain this fact in the following manner.
All of these numerous parallels unveil the Hellenistic Roman atmosphere that his thoughts evolved in.
So the book of the ancient Vitruvius fits into the medieval atmosphere and ideology of the 15th century.
Absolutely organically.
Furthermore, the majority of Alberti's medieval constructions are an emulation of the ancient style.
He creates a palace made to resemble a Roman amphitheater in its entirety.
So the leading medieval architects fill Italian.
in towns with ancient edifices and are nowadays considered an emulation of the classical age.
But this by no means implies they were considered as such in the 15th century.
The books are also written in the manner that will be made archaic much later.
It is only after all of this in 1497 AD that the book of the ancient architect Vitruvius
appears occasionally coinciding with a similar book of the medieval Alberti, word for word.
One feels that the architects of the 14th and 15th century did not consider their endeavors to be an
emulation of the classical age. They were the classical age. The emulation theory was to evolve
much later in the works of the Skelligerian historians who were forced to explain the numerous
parallels between the classical age and the Middle Ages.
One observes a similar situation with scientific literature.
It would be expedient to remind the reader of how the acquaintance of the European
scientists with the works of Euclid, Archimedes, and Apollonus occurred,
since as we can see, the Middle Ages were the time when the revival
of the achievements of ancient science took place.
M. Y. Vygotsky, an expert in the history of science, writes that
not a single solitary copy of Euclid's elements has reached our times.
The oldest manuscripts we know of is a copy made in 88.
There is a large number of manuscripts that date from the
10th to the 13th century, figure 1.31, shows a page from a deluxe edition of Euclid's geometry dated 1457.
It contains a picture of a panoramic view of Rome.
It is most remarkable that the book by the ancient Euclid contains a picture of the medieval Rome,
and not the ancient one.
One can clearly see a Christian Gothic cathedral right in front.
The commentators say that such Christian monuments as Erequil are depicted here.
One gets a clear implication that Euclid was really a medieval author.
IG Bashmakova, an expert in the history of mathematics, informs us that even before
for the publication of the Latin translation of the Arithmetica by the ancient Diphantus,
the European scientists, have been using the algebraic methods of Diophantus, remaining unaware of his works.
I.G. Bashmukva assesses the situation as somewhat paradoxical, the first edition of the Aramaicca.
is dated to 1575 AD.
If Ptolemy's Almagest was instantaneously continued by Copernicus,
let us remind the reader that the surge of interest in the Almagus publication
immediately preceded the era of Copernicus.
Diophantus opus must have been continued by Fermin.
The history of both manuscripts and printings.
Editions of the ancient
Archimedes follows
the pattern already known to us.
According to Ian
Velazovsky, all of the modern
editions of Archimedes
have been based on the lost
manuscript of
the 15th century
and the Constantinople
Palompset that was found as late
as 1907. It is
assumed that the first
manuscripts of Archimedes reached Europe quite late in 1204. The first translation is supposed to have
been made in 1269, and the complete text found in 1884. The 14th century, the first printed edition
allegedly appeared in 1503, and the first Greek edition only in 1544. The works
of Archimedes entered scientific circulation after that. On figure 1.32, you can see an ancient
portrait of Archimedes from his book Opera, dating to the alleged 14th century. We see a typical
medieval scientist in his study. The commentators could not fail to have marked this. The study
is represented in the Renaissance fashion.
Conical sections by the ancient Apollonius was not published until 1537.
Furthermore, Kepler, who was the first to discover the significance of conical sections,
ellipses in astronomy, did not live to see the publication of the complete works of Apollonius.
The next three books were first published in a Latin translation, a translation yet again in 1631.
So the body of work of the ancient Apollonius only got to be published in its entirety after the discovery of the objects that this ancient tractate deals with in Kepler's epoch.
By the way, could the works of the ancient Apollonius just be an edited version of the Pole Copernicus?
The name Apollonius is almost identical to Polonius, a Pole, a native of Poland, or Polonia.
The astronomer Copernicus was the immediate precursor of the astronomer Kepler.
Copernicus 1473 to 1543 Kepler 1571 to 1630 well there we have it ladies and gentlemen
we're slogging our way through here we're trying to make some sense out of these ancient
manuscripts and this rapscallion named Scalinger that took it upon himself to change the dates
to everything.
Who might have judged that guy?
Probably was under a lot of stress.
Probably had the church breathing down his neck.
Hey man, you're going to get this stuff right.
It's going to match these dates.
The church of that time was like the multinational corporations of today.
Hey, just do it like this.
They probably had people in charge that had no idea of what the hell they were doing.
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