TrueLife - Innovation meets Operation: Gary Quigley’s Guide to AI-Driven Project Management

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Gary QuigleyLadies and gentlemen, on today’s podcast, we are honored to have Gary Quigley as our guest. Hailing from Southampton, England, Gary is a seasoned Service Design and Transition Manager with a focus on aligning ITIL 4 processes with project execution. Gary has successfully introduced streamlined processes that have strengthened overall project delivery. His strategic approach and early engagement with support teams have brought greater clarity to project processes. Gary’s negotiation skills on support contracts have not only identified weaknesses but also led to suppliers accepting more responsibility without additional costs. Join us as we delve into Gary’s wealth of experience in Transition Management, Technical Support, Team Building, and Project Management. One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

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The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to True Life Podcast. I hope everybody is starting their week off with a smile on their face. I hope everybody's starting the week off with the sunshine. and the bird's seeing the wind is at their back. Maybe you've got a silver line.

I don't know. But I'm here with an incredible guest, and we're going to bring to your ears a little something worth listening to. And so if your week is starting off, awesome is going to get better. And if it's a little bumpy, it's about to get awesome. So I hope everyone will help me welcome Gary Quigley. Got him on the podcast today, and we're honored to have him hailing from South Hampton, England, weighing in.

I don't know what he weighs in at, but he's a champion. I'll tell you that much. He's a season service design transition manager with a focus on aligning ITL, ITIL4 processes with project execution. He's got a bunch of cool stuff under his belt. We're just going to start talking here, man. I hope everybody's having a beautiful day. Gary, how's it going, my friend? George, absolutely pleasure to be here, man.

Actually, I've moved to London, so that's a quick idea if I was in Southampton. But we can come on to that because it actually comes into the whole story of, you know, self-development and growth and all that sort of thing, which I'm a massive proponent and belief. we're in. But yeah, it's going really good. We're connected by a mutual friend Thomas Hutchinson, who's a fantastic individual I met at a biohacking event. And yeah, there's great power in making connections with people in the right times in your life. And that's what's led me here. So I'm very grateful. Thank you. Yeah. Was that the London Connect event? No, it was a thing called, I think it was just called the Biohackers event or something like that. And it's one of those things, you know you see it online sounds interesting uh you know living in london you want to take off

the kind of opportunities because i'm originally from is isle of whites it's completely 360 to london the island the island of white population about 110 000 people everyone knows each other uh you know if you've um if you've got an ex you're going to run into it basically that's the way it goes and yeah since moving to london the opportunities are just so vast in in what you can do and the access to things that you have and when that popped up i was just sort of like okay i said say I'm about this. I say I'm into this. So I've got to show it. So yeah, I wouldn't. Yeah, that's what it takes. I think that, you know, the path of growth must be chosen over and over again. And it's, it's scary sometimes to, to hear your heart call or to know that there's something out there for you and then to pursue that path, man.

Let's start with biohacking, though. That's such an interesting topic, whether people are doing no tropics or their, you know, figuring out ways to do some biofeedback. When I say biohacking, what is it that interests you about biohacking? So biohackings, you said, I mean, go in very different areas. You can be from your mind, your body. It's even like to the level of the kind of fabric conditioner that you use. Like if it uses certain chemicals and stuff like that, that can not just impact your skin, it can impact your thought patterns and stuff.

It's a bit wild. I'm not an expert by any extent, but just I think having the awareness gives you a power an advantage over like many people so it's just about getting that way and a sort of a large spectrum so now that i know that i don't have to know the intricacies of what chemicals i just need to look on the back and be like does it have xx that i don't think is right you know and on that subject as well it's like in food today i don't know if it's the same in america but in england uh we consume 70% of our diet is processed food. So much of that stuff is like,

I have a sort of rule, if I can't pronounce it, I don't eat it. And there's a lot of stuff on the back of processed food that you can't pronounce. And we need to go back to eating things and have one ingredient, a pepper, a cucumber, a tomato, you know, that sort of thing. They've got those nutrients that we need. So sometimes it's about knowing what's already there for us to take advantage of. And sometimes it's about being or being shown things that exist in the world that other very intelligent people have created that allows you to take advantage of that technology or that substance or that thing that we're aligned with. So one thing I'm trying recently is something called Shilajit.

It's just something you mix in your water basically in the morning with water. It just gives you a bit more mental clarity. I've tried Asphaganda, I've tried a few things. But it all just sort of comes back to those fundamentals of just wanting to have more clarity, more alignment to your body, mind and soul. And that's just kind of how I try to live under those three principles. So it doesn't get too complicated because the world's a very. expansive, a moving place, and it can be very easy to get bogged down and confused with things.

So I'm no expert by any means, but I know enough to direct me and the people that I love in positive directions. I love it, man. I love the idea of, you know, let's try to see what this machine can do. Not that the body's a machine, but like, let's see what the human condition can do when we get all the right fuel in there. And for a long time, like, I was a, I've been a big. proponent of psychedelics for a long time. On some level, I feel as if it opens up your perspective.

You know, it allows you to see sort of in a different, I think perspective is the right word, but you know, it's interesting how, at least in my opinion, it's been able to help me understand this thing called shame or understand this thing called anxiety, you know what I mean? And kind of allow you to sneak up on it without having to know, of feel things like that. But yeah, I think psychedelics for me, particularly LSD and like psilocybin mushrooms have been the two that I have gone to. And it's really helped me figure out a lot of problems that I've had in my life with some generational trauma and some some other relationship traums like that. What's your take? Have you, have you tested out

those particular supplements or what's your take on psychedelics? LSD, no, mushrooms, yes, very briefly. I had some in Amsterdam. It's quite interesting because when I got back, when the first thing she said to me is, did you do any drugs? My answer was, I didn't do anything illegal. Right. Because technically that's true if you're in Amsterdam.

And they make it, it's almost like, and this is one of the great things about traveling, where you see them inside the world and how people perceive things and you see the history of that, so you find out that the whole kind of history of, you know, cannabis and mushrooms and everything. The Lambsdale clicks back to the church and how taxes and all this sort of thing. But when we would go there and you can just go into a shop and you look on the menu,

essentially have a menu for these mushrooms, whereas you take that to the, you know, England, don't get a menu, get some bloke in an alley that has a big coat and then, you know, it's very different. So you go to the menu and you've got, you know, as you've got it as you've got a normal menu, this is the flavor this is the taste these are the effects it's all like a star rating the same with the cannabis and it was incredibly organized and you know business focus and just feels it's just the product basically that's being used over there and they do they see it a different way than we do and they utilize it and um and yeah we tried some and it was an interesting it was a very interesting

time actually because i my partner was american at the time and i was with two english friends and we'd had you know, cannabis before and stuff growing up and we were quite used to that effects, but they hadn't. And when we're in the smoke shops and everything, they would, you know, smoke and try to get the feeling and they were getting some high from being in the room, but not really. But then when we had like a space cake and stuff like that, you can't, you know, you just eat and everyone can do that. So yeah, seeing them get at high was quite amusing. And then my friend, he went to a cake shop afterwards

and he ordered like three cakes. And I had to stop him and say, you realize they're just cakes. They're not special cakes. That doesn't translate to everything in Amsterdam. But yeah, that was a really fun time. So yeah, I've had, you know, like many people growing up, I've tried different drugs and things,

mostly just really light stuff. But yeah, I would say I've had honestly some fantastic experiences under those conditions. Because as you said, it opens your mind up. It helps you to be more expressive as a human. And you just drop so many boundaries of masculinity and what's it cool? Like pride. And you just let yourself be, you know. And I think it's interesting that things like that are seen as being alternative medicines.

Yeah. I mean, you look at it like, on a factual basis, how is a pill that's created in a lab that puts in all these different chemical stuff that comes into this little thing like this? How is that an alternative medicine and the stuff that came from the ground? Sorry, yeah, how is that not alternative medicine? And the stuff that came from the ground is the alternative medicine? It's a very weird thing we've been sold, really, and no one really seems to be questioning it. But I question everything. So, yeah, I've had some interesting talks about that.

I love the idea of questioning everything. You know, one of the things I've been thinking about a lot lately is, is this idea of trying to think of the right word. Like, I think on some level, psychedelics for me, they help break the conditioning that most of us have gotten. You know, like when it comes to the idea of awareness, I think that you can go out for a walk in nature, and learn more from a battered coastline or a waterfall

than you can in a classroom. Not all the time, but a lot of times. You know, when you go out there, sometimes knowledge is revealed to you. And there's like this sort of organic intelligence. But in today's world, we seem to be on the forefront of artificial intelligence. And I'm just wondering,

do you have any thoughts on the similarities and differences? And I know they're just words, but how do you see the relationship? between organic intelligence and artificial intelligence. Does I have a question? I love it. Good. So I think, from my perspective, it will be that organic intelligence, basically, it's unpredictable in the way that a waterfall hitting a rock reacts differently to,

or sorry, water hitting a rock, reacts different to the water hitting the ground, regards to water hitting the person, you know. It's unpredictable in the facets of what, happens from one action to the next, and that's, I think, what the beauty in it is. I mean, we know that water is water, but we don't know how that water is going to cascade and break apart and all that's depending on the surface. We can't predict that. But with AI, the idea is it's all so predictable in the way that, and this is actually something I learned recently, so I have been studying it, but it's known as an LLM, so it's a learning, a learning language model, I believe,

or a large language model. yeah yeah so essentially i always thought it was connected to the internet and it's a website that goes out and scans the internet and gives you stuff back and that's not actually the case it's something that was built over 12 months a language that's built over 12 months that's why it's reference points i only go back to i think 2021 i think anyway but because of that it is as i said it's only referencing a database of information that's being created and then bringing that back. And I find that when I use AI, the most effective way I get out of it is when I treat it like a human. So I don't ask it a question to give me an answer. I ask it to give me questions so I can answer those questions.

Because then there's multiple layers of touch points that it's going to to get that information based on my answers. So it makes it less predictable than it just given me an answer because it doesn't know what I'm going to answer back. But yeah, I do think it's highly predictable in the way that it just kind of it functions. And again, because it's been built and exists for those 10 months, sorry, it's being built over 10 months. Its data set is what's in existence. The data set for the world, organic intergence, as you say, is thousands of years old. It goes into things that we haven't discovered.

I mean, you can spend the day out in the forest, I guarantee, and just spend like eight hours there. And this is, I think, the beauty in life, if you just did that, you would, you'd experience something that no one else in the world had experienced. They're not in, if you're there by yourself, in that place, you are experiencing something that no one else gets to experience in that moment in time. I just don't, I think we go through life so busy and distracted that we don't get to resonate with those kind of opportunities anymore. And I do think there's great power on that.

Yeah, that's really well put. I've never thought about it from that angle, but you're right. If you are out there, forest bathing or, you know, doing some sort of sutra or meditating, just go for a walk or hanging with a friend or something, like, you really get to have this divine moment with yourself and nature that can be, I mean, nothing short of a miracle. It's weird to think about that, but it's really nothing short of a miracle. and yet there's such a lack of spirituality around how is that even possible gary i think again is it's i think it's intentional i mean i am one of the best conspiracy theories i do we do there are people in the world that are very powerful have a lot of money and i think anyone well

basically the way i see it you've got five pillars i mean i always forget the fifth one so i'm I hope they're not going to do it this time, but you've got influence, money, resources, a good heart, and I knew it was going to go. Then there's another fifth one. So basically, you've got a good set of pillars in those foundational pillars. I think you can change the world because if you're a good, if you're a person with a good heart and you have the resources, the money, the ability, probably that I said the ability, then you can literally, yeah, go out there and change the world. And there are people that don't want the world to change because the world changing, you know, mass scale is a threat to their power, influence, ability to live life,

how they've enjoyed it. So they give us, you know, processed food and it's kept in the air. I mean, there's many different avenues you can go down. but I fundamentally disagree that we are put in this world and everyone has equal, like equal footing, basically. I don't think we're educated enough about food. I don't think we're educated enough about minds. I don't think we're educated enough about how people get to where they kind of got to,

that even, you know, the principles of, oh, money's dirty, money's bad, money's evil. It's like, again, if you're a good, I have no reservation. I want to be incredibly rich because I know. I know I'm a good person, I know I can help a lot of people. And right now, my resources only allow me to help a certain amount of people. And the more I can increase my own resources, the more people I can help. How can that be bad? Yeah, but even saying I want to be rich, you have people be like, oh, well, I don't

know about that. No, I'm more, I don't care about money. I care about helping people. Great. You can help more people with money. You can still be moral and have money. that some of the biggest benefactors or sort of benefactors, people that give money to charities and of the highest amount are incredibly wealthy people.

Yeah, it's interesting the idea of money. You know, and I think on some level we're seeing that change today. Like, I think maybe the idea of value is changing. And with value comes the change of money on that side of it. But yeah, it does make sense. And I, too, agree that if I put on my tinfoil hat, what I see happening is an incredible lockdown of food right now. Like, there is an incredible fight on the forefront of people trying to control food.

And if you think about it, if you can control food, you can control everything. I think it was Kissinger's and one of his latest, the one he wrote with Eric Schmidt, a recent book they wrote together that talked about controlling the food supplies. you know, paramount in setting up any sort of, you know, long-form government and control stuff. But what's your take on the ongoing foods? By over where you're in the neck of the woods,

a lot of farmers protesting right now. Yeah, I've been keeping up on it. There's, I think, France, Germany. And you're right, when it goes back to the source, that's when you really start the kind of thing. So we can live in our iPhone worlds and our AI and this sort of stuff. But fundamentally, we are organic organisms that need. certain nutrients and food.

So it exists, water and the fundamentals. And when that goes away, all this AI stuff, that does mean nothing because, I mean, even if you're alive,

you don't have the brain capacity to use it. You're not going to be very good. And I think it's, I think it's amazing in the way that it shows just how much power that the people, if you like, of which we are,

have. And when they've realized that, it's, and when other people start to realize that in terms of we have the numbers essentially we're controlled and governed by entities that often don't have our best interests at heart lie corrupt constantly and we we perceive that we can't really do much because they have the power because they have you know authorities they have police they have industrial mechanisms behind them but ultimately the people have the

power because there's there's more of us but the problem is and this is where the whole division comes in if we were a single mindset let's say with seven billion people in the world let's say it's that let's say 100 million people out of that seven billion are bad actors you know want the worse of people they're just bad bad people so you've got six point something billion that are good people want the best of the world want to do good things so we can come together as collective and we've had enough of this. Taking over the government don't like that. You've not been behaving right. Being paying you. You're not doing your job. You know, take over this, take over this. And we just basically take our lives back essentially. We could do that. The problem is that

the mindsets of people are so different. And most people's mindsets are from a place of, I don't want to say fear necessarily. I think it's too strong a word, but a lack of understanding of the power that they have, I think it would be the nicest way to put it. So people sort of go through and say, okay, I've got from zero to, let's say, 90 best case scenario in that time. Okay, I want to raise a family. I want to have a wife. I want to do the 2.4 children thing with the mortgage and all this sort of stuff. Yeah. And then they get to the 60s and they've realized their pensions ain't sustaining them. And, you know, those of their friends have passed away. And they can't just reflect and think, well, what was my life?

What did I do? All this sort of thing. And I think, I don't think, again, I don't think it's by accident that you have these kind of realizations quite late in life, whereas most people will go through thinking, this is life and this is okay and this is this, this is that. But on every foundational level, we are miracles. Like whether you come from religious perspective or the science perspective, the science perspective, we're over one in a billion chance.

religious perspective we are God's children you know whatever religion you put inside there we are ex-children or chosen or whatever you know thing we want to use i mean a single cell in our body has so much complex stuff going on like a single cell we are incredible incredible human beings we were not put here to watch emmerdale and nights a week and smoke ourselves to death. That, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, zero to 90 and what they choose to do with it. And I think part of it is awareness.

They make that choice, um, almost unknowingly, because they don't believe in themselves to to think of anything better. They think that's not for me. That's for them. Yeah, you know, I, I, I grew, when I, I, I grew up, I went to a public school and, no one ever told me or any of my classmates that there's a path to success where you could retire at the age of 30. I didn't know that. I thought you had to get up and go to work for 40 years, break your back.

And, you know, but it does begin to dawn on you. At least it did for me. And psychedelics played a part in that. But, you know, if you're just quiet, this goes out to everybody listening, whether you're five or 40, well, if you're five, you're probably not listening to this. But wherever you are in life, just look around. Sit by yourself and look around. And you know that feeling of something's not quite right? It's not.

Something's not quite right. And if you start looking around, you start seeing signs. Like, you know, just think about the word culture. What the hell is the word cult doing in culture? You think about that for a minute. Like, hmm, it's almost like culture is trying to buy off. Like, as soon as you become dangerous, you know, some people come dangerous at 20, some at 30,

But a lot of people become dangerous at middle age when they got a little bit of money and their influence begins to wait. You know, their ideas and opinions are formed and they have a little weight they can throw around. Well, we'll give you just enough money so you have. Not too much. We don't want you traveling and doing too much fun stuff. You know, we'll give you a couple of kids. We'll put you in debt.

And so by the time you have built up enough to throw your weight around, it seems like culture buys you off. And my challenge, for everybody listening to this, You're scary. You're dangerous. Know it. And embrace that. And live your life.

Don't get, don't be like, like Gary says you can get to the age of 60. And that's what people have like this midlife crisis or maybe even earlier. Like they realized, what the fuck did I do in my life, man? What did I do? I worked for this company that doesn't care about me. I gave in and I settled for less. Don't settle for less. If you're 20, 30 or 40, make the change right now.

Like you can do it. And like you said, Gary says you're a miracle, man. You can make these changes. It's not easy, but be one of the people that can, right? Absolutely. And I think one of the big things I would try and put across the people as well is, again, utilize the fact we do live in this time of absolute abundance, right?

Yes. If you have, if you're working a job, let's say you're working in a supermarket or you're working as an accountant, whatever you're doing, if you're not happy in your job. Yeah. I never advocate for someone just to leave. job and go, you know, hold up and just see what works because the thing is there's this whole notion of, oh, you've got to put yourself in a stress, you know, stress response, fight or flight, all this sort of stuff. But when you do that and you put yourself in a position where you have

financial dependencies and you then, you know, you're worried because, oh, I can't pay my bills because I made this decision. It's not working out. Your cortisol is going to be so freaking high. You're not going to be able to think straight and you're not being able to be able to do those big moves. So I don't advocate for that. I say stay in your job. But if you can reserve, let's say an hour a week, three hours a week, whatever, you jump on your demi, you jump on YouTube, you buy a book, whatever it is.

The thing is, Stephen Bartlett said this recently, and it's so true, that success is boring. Basically, the results afterwards aren't boring, but the things you have to do to get there are boring. It's reading a book. It's not doing a course and sticking it on while you're watching family guy in the background or anything like that. It's whole like locked in. I'm doing this. It's boring as fuck.

I want to shoot myself in the head. This is what I have to do because I need to do the things that other people don't do. Because I want to be someone that other people aren't. I want to bring my life to a point that makes people look at me and go, wow, what look at Gary's doing. Wow, that's amazing. Like Gary's work with this person. He's going to these events, she's doing this. I want them because I want to know that I earned it. So, yeah, success and growth and all that stuff is incredibly boring and mundane and all this sort of stuff. But it goes back to that thing of stuff that's boring means that you're doing, you're,

you're singly focused because when you're trying to do, we don't actually multitask. We think we do, but we don't. We task switch. And every time we switch to something different, we, we have a cognitive cap, like, almost like an allowance for that. So when you wake up and in your day, you've got a certain amount of cognitive allowance. And this is why Jeff Bezos only wore, not Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, wore the same clothes every day, the polo neck, the jeans, all this life. Because it didn't have to think about what's aware. So that's less cognitive load. So all these decisions we have to make as we go through life, is going. cognitive load and it has a cognitive cost.

So the more you can reduce that, the better. And we experience more in a day than people 700 years ago would experience their entire lifetime. So this is the level of pressure and demand on our psyche that we have every single day. And we don't recognize it. We don't realize it. We don't appreciate it. But when you recognize that and you start to like put in systems and as I said,

it's one hour, one hour, one hour week, three hours. week, whatever, but focused on a direction of goal that's outside of your job, seeing where that can take you, you know, marketing, sales, whatever. And the thing is, with neuroplasticity, those skills will transfer into your job. Those skills will transfer into your life. You become a better salesman. You become better at conversation. You become better at conversation, become better at networking events.

You meet the right people and they want to hang out. You meet the right people. They want to hang out with you. They then trust you. They trust you. They give you opportunities. You get opportunities. You see where the path goes, right?

And that all started with just doing something like an hour, or three hours, which doesn't seem related, but it is because, as I said, with neuroplacicity, the more you can form neural connections and ways that your brain can do expansive thinking and bringing this element and this element and this element

to combine it to make something really powerful, then you start to become a person of influence, become a person of interest to people, and that's when you start to grow and develop. I love it, man. I heard a sentence recently, and I want to get your opinion on it. And that sentence is,

relationships are the new currency. What do you think? I have a slightly different one. Okay, let's hear it. My friend says relationships are the highest fourth currency. I love it. Why? completely true

the thing is it's the fairy tale if you like is that I was ambitious I was driven I was motivated and I made it happen and I you know pulled myself up on my bootstraps

and I went from zero to this point and everything at this the reality is you have to be humble and you have to say no I need help I'm not a skilled marketer I'm not a skill sales person I don't have a fantastic network.

I don't even know how to network. I need help. Soon you say I need help, things start to open up because then you, you know, you come across a person that let's say, for example, if you had one mindset or I'm going to do it myself, meet someone at a networking event, and you say, oh, yeah, it's great to meet that person, but I can't meet them again because I'm focused on my goal and I've got to do my goal and it's just me. So I've got to stay in my office and I've got to do this 12 hours a day.

days, six days a week, you know, to make something happen. The reality is if you allow that person in that you, again, when you got expansive mind, you say, I need help, I met that sales guy. Let's meet that sales guy for a coffee. Let's talk and get to know each other and see if maybe we can take that somewhere. And all of their contacts, all of their influence, all of their understanding of business and that, that can all, not all of it, but that can be come across to you and they may want to help you because again you've got that trust you're a good person you speak eloquently and all these sort of you know factors you bring in but yeah I mean for my personal experience getting a network being attached to right people has been exponentially

like more beneficial than me trying to do you know 100 courses and every different asset because the people have such people are like a rich tapestry of information and if you go to a book or a course it's like a single source it's built and it starts and it stops it starts and it stops people don't start and stop they are different from the day that you meet them to the day you next see them like so many more data points will come in in that time so people are such an incredible resource I don't mean describe as a resource as like something you could take from them. But as a as a human to human connection like we are historically, you know, from our ancestral beginnings, we were in tribes. The tribes worked together to create something. The men built the camp. The women would go cook.

The men go out and hunt. But the men, you know, as a group, one man go out to hunt the death sentence. So if you look at it in the same frame, you going out to hunt, i.e., trying to make something of yourself all on your own, death sentence. So forget, you know, your ego. Embrace being humble and realize you have an ego. Everyone has an ego. And it's not noble to say you can do it by yourself. Because while you're saying, I can do it by myself and you're not making anything of yourself, you're not helping the people you want to help. So embrace a network, embrace being humble,

embrace other people's skill sets, other people's diversities and all this other stuff that you can bring into yourself and just live more how we're supposed to live as a group, as a collective, as a tribe. Yeah, it's, I love it. Thank you for sharing that. There's a feeling of richness that comes from being helpful

in others' lives. You know what I mean? That seems to me to be beyond just to be beyond someone. You know, you almost get to sit beside yourself when you do something cool for somebody else. That maybe it's just an insight that you have that they

didn't have. But there's something really beautiful about the idea of co-creating. And this is what leads me to this next idea that I'm curious about. What is the relationship between co-creation and abundance? Co-creation and abundance.

I suppose it's kind of when you work with someone again you you take what you know what you experience what you have and when you work someone else you take their experiences what they have and their life journeys essentially and i think you find connections in that and you find things you can relate to yeah and with abundance it's that you feel that everything is so limitless like it doesn't end so if you can meet more people and again, feed off their energy and feed off their experiences and feed off their life journeys,

then you start to open your perspective on things. I mean, I can't remember exactly we'll pick this up, but there's a whole thing about why do people sort of move to Dubai? Why do they live in, like the rich people live in these really high, top buildings on the 40th floor and stuff?

It's not just a pure ego-driven thing, but, I mean, even if, I don't even know they realize it, but when you, you stand on something really tall and you look at that the whole vastness you know in your view is increased and you can see further than ever you can see more your your perception is just opened basically to what you can see that literally has a biological effect on the um I think we were basically the hormones in your body to to shut to make you feel a way of like life is sort of

So when we're in these kind of boxes of our offices and stuff like that, we don't feel that sensation of abundance, that sensation of constant life and expanse and that sort of thing because we're constricted. And this is another thing the most constricted thing we do to ourselves, which we don't realize the detrimental effect is our phones. we take this whole expansive world we're given and we pull it in a little box like this and people spend, you know, five, eight hours a day like this, it's insane to me. Like I said, the world is out there and something I realized the other day,

I was coming back from the gym. I was on my bike. And I was coming back on my bike, I realized from point A to point B, I'm literally, I'm moving through the world. Like that as a concept, I was here and now I'm here. I was here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. But I'm literally moving through the world. A world that at one point, you know, was built by the Romans and as being through Tudor times and all this sort of stuff.

Like it there's so much history and everything that I'm traveling through in that moment. And I'm part of history in that moment. But when I'm in my room and I'm set on my computer or I'm sat on my phone, whatever is, I'm just in this. box and that's it. And that is where, sadly, the majority of us spend our lives is putting ourselves in these boxes. And we wonder why we don't have these expansive minds. We wonder why we don't feel the sense of abundance. Like, you have to, I said, move through the world and moving with someone is so much more powerful than moving on your own. And yeah, there's a great saying. I think it's like, if you want to go far, go by yourself, if you want to go farther, go with someone else or something

like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting this idea. Another part of that too is, you know, when you look at your phone, people are looking down. You know, it doesn't seem like too long ago people were looking up at the stars. You know, like what?

Like, it's a different mindset. Like, I think posture and I think the way you move through the world, much like you said, has a radical effect on how you see the world. If you're moving through the world, you know, like, you know, or being inspired by the stars. It's more, I think you're more inspired by looking up at the stars than looking at a map of the stars on your phone, you know, or looking at a map of the stars through Hollywood

or some bananas thing like that. Like that, but, you know, it's interesting to think about how we, how we define the way we move through the world. I've never thought about that. I thank you for putting it out there. It's fascinating to think about. What about inner dialogue? You talked about how you move through the world.

Does your inner dialogue have an effect on the way you move through the world? Yes. And I'd say, how do you put it? Your inner dialogue can be incredibly powerful in the way that I think a lot of us, when we think about inner dialogue, we think about the negative thoughts we kind of give ourselves. But again, I think awareness is powerful. powerful. And over 90% of our thoughts are negative. That's how we're biologically wiped. So people that

go through and think, oh, I talk myself down all the time. I do this. I do this. And I want to do this. And my mind sort of says, no, you're not capable of that. You're not smart enough. Whatever it is. I understand you're already working from a base level framework. You are no different to anyone else if you have those thoughts. Everyone has those thoughts. I said it's 90% of your thoughts are driven in that. But what I want people to take away is you have to work. incredibly hard. And again, do boring things to give yourself a counterbalance for those 90% of negative thoughts. Because if only 10% of your thoughts are positive, then you're going to go for the world thinking that nine out of ten times, I'm miserable, I'm self-deprecating, I'm, you know,

I tell myself I'm not worthy. And every now and again, I'll have a, you know, a good day. But you can increase that, but it comes from, yeah, having the awareness, you've got 90% of thoughts, having like gratitude for you know everything they exist in the world and my inner thoughts have been great in the way that well recently since you know again start getting the network together having more awareness looking into human psychology and what sort of thing recognizing that a day a day can be like completely different and it's all kind of a new like I fully appreciate the whole thing of self-accountability. I like that as a notion.

I think it's important. But I think you can't have accountability if you don't have awareness. And so many people don't have awareness. And they walk through and they just think that they think a certain way that makes them feel a certain way. And that's what they resonate with. And you can take that control back. And it can be something as simple as you might say, you know, I'll try, reading books. I've tried this. And if you're like trying to read a book and you can't get

your mind sort of focused enough, then I think, okay, you're at too much an advanced level. A book is a very static activity, right? So your mind's probably going in a thousand directions. That's why you can't concentrate. Okay. So you need to take control of your mind back. You need to get into alpha state. You're probably in, you know, beta or something, you get back in alpha. So again, with the abundance of information we have, go on YouTube, look up a video, how to alpha state, beta state, wherever it is. Understand the brainway states. Because if you go back to the foundations, i.e., your mind, your body, your soul, and you start there,

then you can make real changes in terms of you put yourself in a different mental state to allow yourself to read a book, do a course, and do these productive things that, make you feel like you're moving in a direction, which is so important to feel like you're actually moving the direction you want to be. I always say that for so much of my life, I wasn't even on a path. Now, I'm on a path. I'm not where I want to be on the path, but just being on the path is huge because the path has a beginning and an end. But when you're not even on the path, that's when it's hard, honestly, when your life's just chaos and you don't know what you want to do, who you are, what your purpose in life is, while you're here, if you have any value whatsoever.

I've been through that. And that's a really tough time. It is. I think on some level is necessary. I think you have to go through there. I think you have to wander aimlessly for a little bit and be shaken up or, you know, have the world and still a passion into you or better yet have. your own passion revealed to you. You know, it's like finding the holy grail within yourself.

Like, oh my God, I really like this. And I love what you said about, you know, for me, too, reading was something that I didn't really feel I knew how to do until I started listening to like some audio books. And like, for me, I would have to be doing something and listening to an audio book. And I'm like, well, this is how I learn. And then all of a sudden, after I did that for a while,

then I could read. I'm like, okay, I get it. But you have to figure out how you learn. because just because you sat in the class and somebody told you with like a Pavlovian dog blowing whistles on you, like that doesn't mean that's how you learn. That's how some people learn. And guess what? If you don't learn like that, it doesn't mean you're dumb.

In fact, it probably means you're smarter in different areas. Like we all learn different ways, but the easiest way to teach a bunch of people is just to show them one way. So that's what happened for a lot of us. But once you figure out how you as an individual learn, man, that lights a fire up in you. You know, and all of a sudden, it burns away that dead brush. It burns away those old ideas, like, you're not good enough because you start seeing something. Then you find that path. You're like, son of a gun, I was on this yellow brick road the whole time, man.

Right? And on that point about basically, so I'm neurodivergent. I'm dyslexic and dyspractic the same as Tom. No, sorry, I'm not sure if Tom is dyspractic. But anyway, but the point is that I have. had a test. I went through school terrible, you know, failed, failed, told I was lazy, told. I was easily distracted all over the place. So all through academically, absolutely terrible. Got to university and I was just sort of like, I've got to do something about this because I'm in

my first year university, the lads I'm working with are joking about how easy this is and how ridiculous this is and I hope this gets harder and I'm just going along with it like, yeah, and I was struggling. Honestly, I was really struggling. So I got to my, um, my third year and I had a test for dyslexia so I was just sort of like there's something not right in my brain I have to you know sort this out somehow because I'm going to fail and when I had my test I was dyslexic and dyspraxic and on certain things I think it was like um cognitive process memory and a few other things I basically got a score that said only two percent of the population would have got a score that low.

So, but the thing is, I found that incredibly empowering. Because my whole life, I was like, I know I'm trying. I know, I've always loved to learn. It's been an absolute passion of mine, but I just found it very hard. And when I had that awareness, as I said, that gave me power. And then that allowed me to say, okay, I've got a name for this thing. how do I address it? What does this thing?

What's the research? What do we know about this thing that tells me that I would struggle? Oh, yeah. So I did struggle with my driving driving. And there other people struggle with their driving. Ah, I do struggle with reading books. And these go struggle read it. And I found a reason for this whole chaos in my life.

And then I started to address that. And now, I mean, I went from, again, failing, failing, failing. I worked in it like a bar six years ago after going to uni twice and all this lot. I was about 28 wondering what is my life. I'm now 36. I work in London, service design transition manager. I read typically a book a week. I can speed read.

I've memorized like 80 countries of capitals and trying to get to 200. I just give myself these kind of challenges. Now having that awareness that I'm not fixed. Again, neuroplasticity, just look up that word and the definition. and it's incredibly empowering because it tells you what you are today is not who you're going to be in 10 seconds from now we are constantly evolving expanding and this goes back to that thing about moving through the world your date points of the way you can expand it grows exponentially when you're out in the world because it is that unpredictability like even to the point of let's say you're a networking event and you've been

never been in that room before, right? So you're working out the room, you're walking around, you've never met those people before. So all the conversations, you have to, there's no autopilot. Yes, you can do like certain things. You can prepare your introductions, stuff like that. But if someone comes around and says, so do you like football, for example, you didn't know that question was coming. So you come up with an answer on the spot, well, you know, I do like football, I don't know football, why do I have football, why don't you like football? And you don't know what stuff's going to come in. And that is the most powerful thing for your brain is when it has to create new neural connectors and stuff.

From the information it knows, the information you're given to come up with something kind of in between. Yeah. And I just found that whole world just completely fascinating. I do like mind maps to, you know, replicate the sort of neural pathways and stuff. and yeah it's it's an incredible thing when you learn about that that changed my life honestly that and um benjamin hardy if you know him i'm not familiar with him what has he written some books or who is he yeah so question jen jen jen jen jen july he teamed up with his mentor and um inspiration hardy i can't remember the guy's name sorry but uh yeah so he's written

several books he was actually on my friend's podcast eddie mackay on a mission podcast. And that's where I first heard him. And he was, yeah, he just introduced me to neuroplasticity. He told me about how we're not limited. He's written a book called willpower is not enough. Basically talks about how our environments are so much more of a contributing factor to us getting stuff done than our willpower. Because if you sit here and you're like, no, I'm going to get this done. I believe myself. I'm going to push it. I'm going to do this. some of this, but your environment is distractions and overwhelm and all this, all that willpower just gets sat. So if you can be, put yourself an environment which is positive and neutral and

stress-free and all this sort of stuff, your willpower levels will-power will-power will-power is like this endless resource. It's not, it's a reservoir, and it's consumed through every action you do, and it's micro and it's macro. You read a book, it consumes some of your willpower. However, if you read a book, maybe it consumes that much willpower, sorry, well, I should say focus on this rule power, but read a book and consume that much focus that if you watch a YouTube video, it's like this much, because the amount of information that you have to process is so much more. Does that make sense?

So when we live in this, this is what they call a thing called TikTok brain? to people on TikTok they live in this sort of like dopamine addiction like this and they're just getting this information just bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang and it just overwhelms their brain so that's when you come to me say hey read this book

they're instantly just like oh my god that's like the most boring thing ever do you know what I mean and no one started a business off watching well they may have started business but no I'm wrote a business pan off the back of the TikTok video. Like you may get inspiration from it may, but it's not nearly to the level of reading a book. I mean, Stephen Kotler talked about this. A book is possibly the best ROI you're going to get. Because it typically takes someone like two to five years to write a book and then they consolidate

that and they bring all the best points into about 400 pages and you pay what, 1299? That's pretty good. Four years of someone's consolidated information on five years for $12.99. I think it's pretty good ROI. Yeah, without a doubt. Without a doubt, it's, have you thought about writing a book? It's strange. I'm actually going on a course on Wednesday, write a book.

It's my, a woman that I met, I was on a podcast, training, three-day training event. I do a lot of courses in different disciplines. three days of setting up a podcast and this lady came there called Chloe Chloe Biden listen and I don't know if I can promote a book can I do that yeah of course man what you got literally just in my own line so it makes sense so she's a self-pubbished author and she's got a I think a marketing agency of some kind so this is a book just write the damn book there's no nonsense but the thing that I like up this is and more books are doing this nowadays, which they give you actionable steps.

So it's not like you just passively read the book. And I'd advise to anyone actually, if you're going to read a book, don't put it in your head. It's a passive activity. It's not passive. It needs to be active. It needs to, if it's a book that doesn't have actionable steps in it, then you need to visualize what the book, you know, put yourself in that person's shoes or feel that emotion of, if you're reading a book about entrepreneurship, for example, someone, saying about smell the leather being in the hotel right take that stop it close the book and just resonate with that just for a moment because the more you can connect with that book or that story

whatever it is the more impactful it is for you it's not just about reading the information it goes in happy days that's not how your brain works it has to it has to activate on multiple levels and the more levels it can activate the more potent it is but yeah so Chloe's doing a course on on Wednesday which basically will take all the stuff that I've done in the book and then we'll run through it like in person and Yeah my book is I won't talk to me about it. It's basically just about I guess self development, but it kind of

The whole idea of it is that when I read a book about so many other You know successful people entrepreneurs and this sort of thing It's I was just quite either. It's not from a perspective that I can really resonate with is my point. And I want to do something that someone could be like, I sound like that guy, I'm like that guy, you know, and I want to write the book for the person that is not the entrepreneur that's made it and they're reading a book out of many books they're reading. I want to write it for the person that works in the

bar, that works in a coffee shop, that doesn't understand how to get. inspiration and how to get those sensations. So all the stuff I've talked about now about how by hacking, watch a YouTube video, do something outside of work for one, two, three hours,

whatever it is. That's kind of the book, I want to write a book for me 10 years ago. I've come across. Yeah. You know, you're the only person that I've, I've heard,

well, as I'm looking to our, conversation. In the beginning, we kind of talked about abundance a little bit. And I think there's some real unique bridges, although bridges is not the word I want to use. I think there's some real incredible similarities between your ideas and abundance and the way in which when you took a test and found you were dyslexic, how the world changed. It's like on some level, I think you're explaining the same things. It must have,

it must have been interesting to have a diagnosis and then be like, son of a gun, here's how I do it. It's like all of a sudden, the world opened up to you. And like you got to see abundance. It's like almost like you were living in scarcity and you're like getting by and then boom, abundance. Like I think that is like that is what so many people need right now, Gary.

Like the guy that's losing his job, but the girl that just, you know, she got out of a relationship or she just lost her job. Like so many of us with the conditions of the world that we spoke about earlier, that's happening to everybody. And you've been through it. Like your whole life, it's almost like you've been trained for this, man. I appreciate that. I was actually, I started my first business.

I was property saucer. And that basically, the way that works as you work as an estate pageant for the investor. So it's speaking with a lot of wealthy people. It's trying to source them properties. it's doing due diligence on the property and all the figures and all this sort of stuff working at exit strategies. Now, while I enjoyed that, obviously, you know, Simon Sinek start with why. And again, a very, very powerful quote is there's two most important moments of your life or days of your life, but the day that you're born and the day you find out why.

And I really like that. And when I was doing the sourcing, I did it from a place of I want to make more money. and I've never been motivated by money, not really. I wasn't really motivated around that business, but in trying to do a nine to five and do this properly sourcing business when I finish work and reading books and this sort of stuff,

I found myself being incredibly overwhelmed and I didn't have the time to do anything and I was stressed and my burnout and all this sort of thing. So naturally through me, learning different ways to effectively manage my everyone, manage my anxiety and manage my understanding of, okay, how these foods affect me and carbs and all this sort of thing. I then found a real passion for optimization and productivity. And then through that, I was like, hold on, I'm the guy that would leave the house and have to come back like five times because I would forget stuff.

you know, this was my mind. So me becoming this optimization productivity guy is kind of what I've known for my group. You know, people mess with me and say, how do you stay so systemized? How do you stay so organized? And it's like, if you knew my history, like, it's such an opposition to where I came from. But that's what I believe is very powerful in telling my story and living in a way that, is aligned to that goal, to that path, right? It's because I do have a history of the exact thing I struggle with

is now the thing I'm trying to teach. That's so awesome. The passion I have the thing is amazing. I said that it's boring. You do the boring trying to get there. But I'm very grateful that my passion and the thing that I really enjoy is so diverse and takes us so many directions and is one of the foundational pillars that I believe in, i.e. body, mind and soul. So the mind is my kick. Like, I love it. I love exploring it. I love understanding it more. I do go to the gym. I do this. But I'm not like, I go to three days a week, you know, but there are people that way more about me than me about the human body and how it develops and grows.

But I would definitely say that the mind is the one that I've really. really locked onto. The soul I'm coming onto more in my group there's a lot of talk about that soul energy force and things like this but I always approach things from very logical standpoint. Right. When I hear about someone that says manifestation and I may be wrong, I put my hands up to say maybe wrong, but from my own logical framework when someone says, I want this thing to happen and I believed in it and it happened. Now their take on that is the universe gave me this thing because I wanted it and I desired it. My take on it, given my understanding of how the mind works,

is by you wanting that thing and resonating on it and dreaming on it and all this sort of stuff, you created yourself a memory because your brain doesn't know the difference between memories and reality, or dreams in reality, sorry. So you created yourself what the brain thinks is a memory. It doesn't have any other data points to link to that memory. It doesn't know where it came from. so then it spends all this time trying to bring you to a place to resolve that memory to bring you back to that place because the brain is an energy conservation machine

and it doesn't like this this thought that's come in of you I don't know driving a tester whatever that it doesn't know where it came from when it happened whatever so it's constantly searching to find those answers so when you're having a conversation with someone and you recognize something that they say that might take you in that direction, your brain wants to take you in that direction. When you're going to a networking event, you're debating, should I go, should I not?

The brain will kick and say, no, we definitely should go because it sees, okay, this might answer that question. That's how I see manifestation, and that's how I have to find the logical way to explain it because I'm not, today, I'm not quite in that energy, in that space of the universe and energy and transfer will just happen. I'm not there yet.

I hope to be because it's, it's incredibly interesting field. And I have a lot of friends that are and they're very happy. So there's definitely something in it. That should, you should, they should all be in the book, man. That's a fascinating way to interpret the meaning and interpret direction and interpret motivation.

Like, that's a brilliant and beautiful way to look at. I've never heard anybody describe it that way. I mean, that's freaking awesome, and I love it. Have you ever thought, like, what about, I'm sure in London there's schools for kids that have dyslexia? Maybe you could even help out, like, a young version of you 20 years ago. Yeah, no, that's a good point. It's something that I'll take on board. My issue is at the moment is I take on far too much than I can handle already.

Agreed. I said I started a point where I was just work a job. And this is the thing when I was 24, I was going to get sacked from my job working in a bar because I couldn't process working stuff through the till fast enough. Yeah, that's where I started from. And then over time,

I've improved myself and done self-development and stuff and I've gone up and I've done specific cognitive training as well. And that's allowed me to take on more. But the problem is, and I think we all kind of have this to an extent is when I'm able to do more, I'll then fill that gap. I won't just leave myself a gap, a gap to process, a gap to enjoy a life, all that sort of thing.

I just fill the gap. So at the moment, I have my full-time job. I want to start my coaching practice. I work for a home as charity. I'm a sales agent for two companies, one for sustainable energy, one for cybersecurity. So I tried to read a book a week. I got a couple of things. courses on the go and I try to go to networking event every week and yeah it's a lot

busy yeah but this is the thing though as I said I genuinely have a passion for learning and it's not a thing of chasing the shiny coin it's a thing of the world has existed for thousands of years I'm going to be here for 90 I know I don't have time to learn absolutely everything that I would like to learn, yeah, a lot. Yeah. There's something contagious about a person who is passionate for living, man. I think you were embracing that. That's awesome.

You had mentioned some psychology that you were. Is there like a certain, is there a certain philosopher or a certain branch of psychology that you gravitate towards? obviously you have like the big names like Nietzsche now there was some that I came across that there was three the big kind of mind people there was Nietzsche

or philosophers sorry Nietzsche you have to name me one now there's like three Nietzsche how about who wrote the red book Carl Young that seems to be my brand yeah Carl Young whitehead

like that branch there but I think he's a contemporary of of Nietzsche I think yeah now there was there was four of them but three of them are like

really famous and there was this guy that was Floyd was he in there I think I might be Freud Nietzsche and young right but then

and they're like the godfathers of philosophy and then there was this other guy who was not as known but his

thoughts and his theories and everything were like in polar opposite to the other three it was really strange i came across it a while ago but no for the pacific philosophers and stuff like that and psychology i haven't necessarily studied it it's more just as a um i think it's incredibly powerful to understand the human condition more and i look at it from what's going to on kind of today because things obviously move so quickly. So people like Benjamin Hardy, he's a neuroscience professor of some kind, I believe.

So I like him. Dan Hardy, sorry, was the other author I was trying to get to with books. Stephen Kotler is a great professor on flow research, so getting in flow state. so yeah my research my authors are more around present day people that are entrepreneurs business people the old school guys you know the big philosopher types no I haven't looked into too much that that level of reading and to understand you know their works I think is probably quite a stretch at the minute like I've got a book sapiens which I haven't read yet Yvall Noari

Yes yeah yeah So I haven't looked at that one yet But yeah I want to get around Just read gun germs and steel I think it's better It's my opinion Is it gun germs and steel?

Yeah yeah I think that In some ways This is just me I think that Noel kind of ripped off gun germs and steel It's just me being a crusty old guy Here in Hawaii

But like When I read those together Everyone's like, Sabian's so awesome. And I'm like, have you read guns, germs, and steel? Because it kind of sounds like he just changed a few things around right there. Yeah, I'd never heard it. Yeah, you love it. It's super awesome.

It's super awesome. Oh, thank you. But yeah, what's your take on the flow state, man? Like that's something that I have found really intriguing lately. And it's been coming up a lot in a lot of the conversations I have, whether it's talking to people that are on the edge of technology or people that a lot of neurodivergent people I have found have embraced this flow state. And it almost reminds me of like the power of now. But what do you think about the flow state?

When you think of the flow state, what do you think of like what's going on or how do you feel or what are your thoughts about it? So it's the thing is that flow state is it's something we can sort of get into. I'm very appreciative that people have done the research to put it in a concise format which we can understand it more. I think me high cheeks, send me high as the godfather flow. And it's about, do you know, well, like, you go to work and you just finish the work at day. And God, that was amazing. I got so much done. And everything just went fine. And I don't have any reservations. I didn't get distracted. I just did what I needed to do. I walked out. And it was amazing. that's kind of what it is and people kind of think oh I just had a good day when you actually analyze it you'll probably find that you set up certain things in that day to allow that to happen so flow doesn't just happen it's when a certain amount of things come together in congruence to give you a result that you kind of want so the way I describe it is like all the lights are green so if you're traveling through traffic and all the lights are green so you're not stuck in traffic

There's no red lights. There's no crazy person that ran out in front of the car, you know, that sort of thing. And it's very rare in that sense, very rare that all lights are green and you just get from point A to point B. And that's the thing. If all the lights are green, you just get to where you want to get to in the quickest possible time

without any interruptions, or any distractions, without any, you know, blockers, whatever. And it's all about getting in flow state. There's a guy, I can't remember his first name, but something silver, something silver and he talks about the silver method but it's basically getting into alpha so you have different brain these days alpha theta beta beta gamma maybe zeta not too sure but the state that you

want to be in is alpha and the way that i've heard alpha state described is that you are locked into what you're doing you're singly focused like nothing else exists you're just doing this thing And the thing is when they measure people that are in this state and they're doing work in this state, they can literally, their output is literally higher than someone that has more time than them, but it's not in that state. So in that way, this is why the first product that I want to launch as a coach is the masterpiece day, achieve more than a day than you could in a week. Because when you're in this state of mind, you can have, let's say,

say three hours, but you'll produce what this person produced in eight hours in three hours. Because when you're in a flow state, let's say, for example, if your output, if you're just working away and you're like, okay, so what's going to happen? You've got a five hour day and eight hour a day. I'm going to start my day. I'm going to write this. Let's say for your example, George. Yeah.

So you're going to start a day. Right. I've got, I've got to type up some notes for this. podcast I'm doing. So I'm going to write, so who's the guest? I'm going to research the guest. That's going to take 20 minutes. Then I'm going to put that all down in terms of the research I got back. Then I'm going to see what sort of questions I might be able to ask them. So maybe that's like an hour to think of my questions. And that's obviously kind of how your day is going to go. If you're in flow, then as I said about the whole task switching thing and multitasking thing,

the top my tasking thing. You're actually going to jump. from the whole research, the questions, etc. But those transitions are going to be so flawless. And everything you do at each one of those points are going to be so flawless. You're not going to stop because you know that, well, you're in this flow state. You don't want to stop. You don't want to get the strikes. You don't want to have a water break.

You don't want to take piss. You don't want to do anything. You're just locked in. And it's not, there's no effort to it. It's just your natural state. And what I find so incredibly powerful about this whole thing is that. a lot of people try to, like, I need to get motivated. I need to do this work.

I need to force myself do this work is a, you know, a time I hear a lot. And it shouldn't be like that. And when you actually change, as I said, your brainwave patterns to be aligned with working, to be aligned with achieving and aligned with creating, it comes so effortless because you're in a brainwave state that's conducive to that work.

so it's not it's not this big effort this work this um this hardship that you have to put yourself through you're just doing what your brain wants to do which i think is is amazing man you explain that so well it it speaks volumes of the people we see and admire that are great at doing something and they make it look effortlessly like that you've really nailed exactly how that's possible. And it's when we when we when we factor in the lesson you taught us on neuroplasticity, it would seem that once one found their why, their second why, then the act of neuroplasticity would reinforce that behavior and they would just get better and better and better at it. They'd be able to slip into it and notice it on in it and man,

That's the secret, I think. I think that's the secret sauce, man. I hope that people can find that thing that's calling to them, that's calling them to the flow zone, man. Can you imagine when everyone in your community is able to tap into that? Like, I think it's coming, Gary. I think that the fact that people are beginning to vocalize it and understand it. Like, that's the emergent of it, right?

Yeah, 100%. As I said, it's the information's there. There's so much stuff going on. you have done the website. Yes. And actually, one of the biggest, um,

basically taxes on your brain is clarity. Because if you just had clarity, you imagine a world where you have clarity, where you knew exactly what I need to do today to get me to tomorrow and tomorrow I'm going to do this thing and then that's going to take me to this point and ever, et cetera. That doesn't like it does exist, but it takes,

it takes work and effort and a certain amount of, um, contribution to get to clarity clarity is not given so yeah clarity is like a big a big thing and again in flow you have clarity i know what i need to do how i need to do it etc etc the mind just becomes opens up and just it just aligns but what you said there as well is very true about people come together in flow because there is actually a thing that's a group flow so you can have your singularly focus you know thing from you doing your own work However, you can have flow as a group and benefit from the group's collective flow by being around people that, again, are aligned, people that follow your principles, people that have your values. This is why being in a network so important.

So when you have a team of people working on a project and they're all in flow, I mean, yeah, I mean, I'll watch the film the other day, Oppenheimer. with Kriya Murphy and although that wasn't really talked about in the film I kind of imagine a group of scientists and engineers working together to create this bomb

that they needed for this more efforts kind of thing and if they get it wrong they could potentially destroy the world that was like the narrative and they have a certain time to do it and all these sort of things coming in to bring these people together for this collective purpose that's bigger than them

that's that's another big thing as well i think uh people again is doing things that are bigger than yourself is is a very good motivating factor because with our own selves like i want to do this for me because it gives me extra result great but if you don't really care about yourself enough like a lot of us, you know, we don't. Human nature is to care about other people more than ourselves. So if you're not doing it for you, do it for someone else. Do it for your mum. Do it for your wife.

Do it for your kids. Use that as your motivation and that will take you far greater than, again, if you don't believe in yourself, you know, you want to do for yourself. But with that film and then we'll come together with this, all these factors and the time constraints and the, the critical. of it and what it was going to mean for the world, I believe that they were working as a unit in a more, you know, a sort of flow type thing because of all those factors. And again, that wasn't mentioned, but that is just something that I picked up when I was watching the film, that those engineers and those scientists would have to be working in such a tight level of, such tight direction.

if one person was off and this person had missed their figures and this person didn't give the reports when they needed to and it all falls to pieces and I think there are certain teams like that on certain projects that will naturally fall into that

but it becomes harder because of the world we live in and again the distraction and stuff people people don't acknowledge how bad that stuff is like now I think I don't know if you've seen it but Facebook and TikTok are in,

it's not House of Commerce or what, in England's House Commons in America. It's like the Senate Committee or something? So yeah, they're in the Senate. Every time I say that, I think it's Star Wars, but yeah, they're in front of the Senate committee or whatever your judicial system is basically on trial because there's kids that have killed themselves

because of these apps and because of this reality that is, It creates it's not reality in terms of body perfection and stuff with Instagram. And yeah, these social networks have laws protecting them from ever being sued. And these are finally being taught into question. And people finally start to talk about how damaging this stuff is. Because it is. And I think it's one of those things when you understand how damage it is,

you understand dopamine receptors and how, you know, dopamine receptors and how, wildly they are out of sync with where they should be in terms of a base level, you know, safe level. Yeah, the new generation is going to have a tough time, fortunately. Yeah, I got some thoughts there, but I want to think, I want to talk a little bit more about the group flow state because I never really thought about it from that angle before, but not only is it probably true in a scientific setting, but just look at all the sports teams that play. I don't really watch a whole lot of sports, but I'm familiar with sports teams that become dynasties. And there's this certain sort of, you know, mentality where people can just know where the ball's going to be at, or you'll hear

the guy, like, I just knew he was going to be there, so I threw it to him, or I just passed the ball to him because I knew he'd get headed into the goal from there, you know? And it's this, this sort of collective muscle memory where we can all be together, like we doesn't know what's going to happen. And if we're being honest, I bet you everyone listening to this at some point in their life has been with a friend or been with a loved one and was like, I know what they're going to say. You know, or I know they're going to say this. I know that they like that. And if we take it one step further, there's a great book by, dang, I know, I forgot the guy's name. I think it's something Ryan, Chris Ryan.

And he talks about the way in which grasshoppers become locust. Like grasshoppers swarm when they, when they reach a. certain critical mass, they fundamentally change. They fundamentally change their body shape and they become locust. And it's not that far frets from the idea of mob mentality. I think that kind of gets a bad rap. Like, yeah, there can be a mob mentality. But if that's true, couldn't there be something instead like a God mentality,

you know, instead of a mob mentality? I mean, there'd be a God mentality where we get together as a group and we go, you know what? Hmm. Let's do this other thing. You know, and I'm sure that's how movements get started. And you're right,

there's so many distractions. Like, we're so easily taken away from the very beginnings of this new form of collective flow state that we don't even get a chance to be born sometimes. It blows my mind to think about, man.

Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, that's awesome to think about. Thank you. Of course. I mean, I'm not going to press it and spend more as well as well, but I have heard basically people reiterate things about where we're all connected on a biological level

I agree single cell organisms of that sort of stuff and I do believe there's there's some truth in that and again it's that thing of we are miracles how we hold is great I mean if you think about someone like Elon Musk for example people look at him as this genius, incredible person. He absolutely is. He's made of the same things you are. He's got a brain, he's got blood, he's got bones, he's got muscle fibers.

It's just that he put, I mean, yes, and he might have a certain measure of extra intelligence or, you know, whatever it is, genius level, you know. But people need to stop thinking themselves as I could never be that or that's so far beyond me sort of thing again we're all made of the same stuff we just put ourselves in situations in different environments and it creates less and less of us

because sorry less and less people like even must because most of us are just trying to get by and we don't have that grandiose thought for ourselves. So he actually said he wants to basically build another world on Mars, I believe, and people sort of think he's crazy. But what you've got to recognize is, I don't think he even classes himself as being successful because he hasn't reached Mars yet. And people think that's mad.

How could Elon last something successful with things he's done? because, but his perception or his perspective on the height of success, the height of achieving is literally out of this world. It literally leaves the planet. That's where his mind is. So all the stuff that he does on Earth, no matter how fantastical and amazing, how much billions it raises, whatever, it doesn't mean a jot to him. And in the same way, you know, you'd think, I think it was on,

Twitter or something, but there's something that happened recently. I think it's stock dropped by something, but basically lost a few billion pound in like a couple of days, which to the average person is just such an insane number to even fathom. But to him, it's only because that's the level that he operates that. So it's like if you have let's say 80 billion pound and or dollars I say and you lose two million well that's the equivalent I'm not not whole the equivalent in terms of the amount I'm doing but let's say you had 80,000 pound and you lost 900 you still have 80,000 pound we still have like 70,000 x-66 right but that's your frame of reference to say I've lost that it sucks but it doesn't really

affected me. It's the same with him and his like billions. Yes, he lost like two billion, but he's got X amount. It doesn't really matter. Right. So it's all, not all,

but so much comes down to your perception and your, yeah, perception versus reality, I guess it would say. But your perception kind of creates reality and you can change your reality by changing your perception quite quickly.

Yeah, so that's been the big one for me. And that's why I did my gratitude journal, lovely night, seeing things I didn't see, because when you do like gratitude, it's not just about being thankful for something. It's about stopping and thinking about things that pass by you every day, you don't think about. So say an orange, right?

Something very simple, like an orange. you sit there and you like just don't do anything else just sit with an orange for like 10 minutes and just slowly open it up and you see as you break away the skin all the little fibers and skin like just tear away from the orange and you just open it up and if it's a really hard orange it might be harder to break apart but you just tear it away slowly and see all the little fibers break away and all the nutrients that run through those fibers and the color of the orange and is it pale, is it dark? Then you rip off the peel and everything

and they put that to one side. And then actually take apart each individual segment and then within those segments it's got all these fibers and everything and it's soft and you can look inside it and it's transparent and you can see the ceilings inside

and you can bite into it and you can rip it apart and see all these like things sort of open up like that or you just bite it in half and the juice drop. Like an orange, I can't I could like dissect an orange for like a freaking hour. If you just take the time to recognize, like, there is so much beauty in, like, nature and fruit and all these things that are just being created from nature, essentially.

And when you have that awareness of things like that, you don't think so, you know, your life's so bad kind of thing. But yeah, gratitude is very important. and just resonating with the simplest things and just take something quite innocuous and just spend like 10 minutes with it can be yeah really interesting yeah it's you can learn a lot from an orange or just nature like just the way you describe that which was beautifully done like there's so much happening peeling it away from the skin and watching the little like you can learn every part almost every part of science from that Like if you just start asking, why is that? You know, and it's like, it's almost like nature's talking to us and like, hey, like trying to take, come here. You want to learn something? Peel this orange, you know, or you know what?

What do you think came first? The color orange or the fruit orange? Ah. My daughter gave me that one. I did the same thing. You did. I was like, hmm. It's pretty good.

What do they call a lemon of yellow? I've got one about colors. So when people say they don't believe in aliens, my sort of test for that is I say, okay, describe to me a new color. What do you mean? Well, you know that aliens don't exist, right? Yeah, they don't exist.

Okay. To describe to me a new color. I can't. Okay. So if you can't describe to me a new color, how the hell are you going to tell me that a life form doesn't exist outside of our, because your only points of reference are everything from the day you're born to now. So you have no points of reference from aliens other than movies and TV shows and theory.

So you can't say with, I mean, the same way I can't say with any conviction is no God. I can only say that from my own life experience and my environment and et cetera, that I don't have a reason to have a faith. but I don't denigrate anyone that does because their life experiences are different from mine. Yeah. And that's the view of human beings. But yeah, orange or color orange. I think the orange came first. We wouldn't have a word for it.

The best way to put it. So obviously the world was born. All these things came out of the ground and they grew and they fell off and et cetera. And then people started to eat them and just see. how things went. But I do find language in itself fascinating. Well, you do wonder, like, why did we have a language? Because there must

have some point been a universal language, one language. And then for some reason, in different regions, people started to call things, different things. Why did we do that? It's made the world so much more complicated.

There's a great book called the Gutenberg Galaxy by Marshall McLuhan. And he talks about the printing press and how it gave us ideas, like exact repeatability. And that's, I think that, you know what, you can go back to Tameas and read, I think in Tamaeus, there's a section with Toth, who is often talked about with the Emerald Tablets. But in this, in this particular section, they talk about the invention of writing. And it's really a cool section. And he talks about writing. God, I forgot.

All I can remember is the name of Toth, Intimus. And then long story longer, he tells his God, like, and I'm totally paraphrasing here. Oh, great leader or God of Ra or whatever. I've created this new technology called writing. It's going to make humankind so much more able to exist in the world. And the God laughs at him. And he's like, oh, Toth, my paragon of invention. first off, it is very foolheartedly for the inventor of a technology to say what it's going to do because that never happens.

And the second thing is, while it's a wonderful technology, this idea of writing, it's going to have the opposite effect. Writing is going to make the human condition weaker because people will no longer need to have the experience. Instead, they will have the written language of an experience, and that takes away from it. But it's, I'm totally butchering all of it right there. But it gets back to this idea of language. Like, you know, we've, language is but an echo of the lived experience that someone does. This conversation we've had today is, you know, language doesn't do it justice. And I think in the psychedelic realm, you bump up against this thing that's ineffable.

And like that is. Or no, there's another great, there's another great book called Dynamics of Faith. And they talk about symbolism, you know, symbols being more than language because symbols actually participate in the thing they're pointing to versus a sign that just kind of points to the thing. But kind of birdwalk in there, man. But I love language too, Gary. And I got to tell you, this conversation, this whole time has been fascinating to me.

Like we've just blown through an hour and a half, just like this. And before I let you go, though, Gary, first off, thank you for everything. You got to come back because I'm kind of bumping up against a hard break, but I have lots of other questions about dyslexia and learning. And do you see, I have lots of other questions. And if I start them now, I won't stop. But before I let you go, where can people find you? What do you have coming up and what are you excited about?

So I'm just on social media, LinkedIn, Facebook is probably the ones I use the most. what I've got coming up so obviously doing my book writing course I do want to get my my masterpiece day sort of program sorted there's there's lots of parts to it there's gamification and working at different frameworks and avatars and there's a lot to it and what I'm excited about I'm excited for this year in the way that I've never been people would say you know write down your goals your visions and I've done it many times, but I've never been a position where it could actually all come to fruition. I spent a lot of time networking, growing my connections.

I've got, I want to go to Dubai for a visit and see how I feel and then potentially move there. And then I need to work out, okay, how much do I need to earn to live in Dubai? How much they need to bring in a month, et cetera, what are my savings, this sort of thing. so a lot of that's coming together. I'm also up for two awards at the HNC Awards event, which is on Friday. Yeah, congratulations, man. Thank you, really. Thank you.

And again, it's absolutely wild. The last one I went to was so life-changing and open my eyes to so many things. And now to not just be going again, but to be nominated for the awards is incredible. and yeah I'm very very excited about that I need to do my mind maps for it to work I'm going to say and everything everything's last minute dot com at the moment but yeah excited to be alive excited for this time excited for each and every day to be honest because there's so much opportunity that they can come in you just you just never know and that only increases

the more you allow yourself to to believe in life and that other people in that have a similar mindset and a vision. And even like, you know, to this, this interaction we've had today coming from a mutual friend Tom who I met at an event. Yeah. We just, yeah, we cracked on with. And here I am speaking with some of America. These are the wonderful ways in which life can take you if you just, you just open to it.

So it's been amazing for me also. I appreciate your time, George. Man, you're brilliant. And I love talking to you. And shout out to Tom. We love you, buddy. Thank you for everything. And we'll hang on briefly afterwards, Gary,

because I still wanted to just talk to you briefly afterwards. But to everyone who participated today and is listening to this today or in the future, go down to the show notes, and I'll put Gary's links to Facebook and LinkedIn will be down there. And you can reach out to him and you can pick his brain. And I'm sure he'd love to talk to you. So that's all we got for today, ladies and gentlemen. Hope you have a beautiful day. Aloha.

pleasure.