TrueLife - Jana Belugina - Turning Questions into Opportunities

Episode Date: January 20, 2024

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The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. I was just thinking this morning that it's so beautiful that we live in this world when we can just easily connect, like, through around, across, the world and just have a conversation, you know, at any time, at any day. It's so beautiful because we take things like this for granted, but when you think it's, you know, like even like 20 years ago, that wasn't really possible. Yeah. It's, it's a borderline miracle on some levels. And especially when you

started thinking about with you in Dubai and me in Hawaii, like it's so much more than just being around the world. It's like almost two different worlds, like one's the, like, one's the like this water world that's full of magnificent mysteries and so too is you on the other side of the desert and all the beautiful mystique that's over there it's it is fascinating to me to think about what can happen and what is able to happen right there let me give you a quick introduction and just for the people who may not know exactly who you are and for those listening right now welcome back to the true life podcast i hope everybody's having a wonderful day i hope that the new year is treating you in magnificent ways and that

I hope you know that there's a bright light right around the corner and get ready to shine on you. I would like everyone to meet my incredible guest, incredible individual, Jana Bellugina, an avid seeker of truth, a guardian of wisdom, and your dedicated companion on the thrilling odyssey of self-discovery. Hailing from the enchanting landscapes of Estonia, Jenna's life unfolds like a rich tapestry woven with travels, diverse cultures, spiritual practices, and delightful culinary escapade. While her professional journey soared and taught management roles within software development and financial technology,

there was always a deeper current beckoning her towards self-exploration. From a unique gift discovered in her youth to a transformative encounter with yoga in India, Jenna's path has been a symphony of diverse experiences converging into a harmonious whole. The founder of the Bean to Being project, Jenna seamlessly blends her profound wisdom with unwavering passion, whether delving into spirituality, personal development, or business acumen. She crafts clarity with logical precision. As a mentor, Jana's approach, a fusion of accumulated wisdom and spiritual insight, connects with individuals from various backgrounds, making transformation accessible and relatable.

Jana, thank you for being here today. How are you? Thank you so much for such a beautiful introduction. And it's like, it's so inspiring to listen how someone, on frames, your story. It's always so inspirational and beautiful. Thank you so much, Gersh.

Thank you for having me in this podcast. It's beautiful. Thank you for noticing that. I think that that's a great way in order to frame something. Like, you have an opportunity when you meet someone. So put a nice little frame around some of the things that they've done and really open up an exploration of the things you admire. about somebody. That's what I want this to be. Like, you do some really cool things from a recent

post where I saw you helping people to an earlier conversation we were just having. And, you know, I want to get into it all because I want to share it with the audience and I want people to see what is possible out there. So maybe we can start off with a little bit of a background. Like you have done a lot of world traveling and you have had a lot of experiences that have opened you up. Maybe you could share maybe an experience that kind of got you to where you are today, just to kind of break the ice for the people oh my god just one experience that would be that would be very very hard because you know every single trip every every single day i would say you know like the more i leave uh and the more i leave you know was the sense of awareness uh i realize that every

single day can be that turning point um so yes it's uh it's it's very hard to you know know narrow it down to one experience. Maybe I can share a bit about my journey in general, so it kind of gives the range what we're dealing with. So yeah, I'm originally from Estonia, and actually I was born in the Soviet Union. So I'm that old. And so, yeah, I was born, and I started, like, I was halfway through my, from my high school, when I, when the Soviet brought down and Estonia got its independence and we had all to

shift you know and I was just talking with a friend yesterday I was just telling her because she's 10 years younger so she doesn't remember those times but like I was telling her you know how it was how the shift was when the parents you know lose everything overnight

when the currency changes when the language changes when you know the whole culture changes pretty much so that was I think, you know, like if I look retrospectively, that was, you know, quite significant journey. Because I was already in that age where I was conscious about what's happening. So I think that kind of set the tone of my life, you know, a lot of changes, constant changes and just being very, very agile. So, like at 15, I went to US.

I did my high school there the last year. I got my diploma there. And then I traveled to Paris for my uni. And then it basically all aligned with what I'm doing. So, you know, so far I have lived in eight different countries, some less, some more. Definitely the longest is in Dubai. So I am in Dubai already for eight years. it wasn't really, you know, a planned relocation, but it just happened.

Like, things for me, they just happened and I learned to embrace it. Because before, you know, I was like frustrated. It's like, oh, I wanted this way. And then I realized, like, everything what happens is always for the best. So, yeah, even like this relocation, because I was at that point, I was living in Estonia. I have, like, came back to Estonia. I was there for a few years already. I was going through the separation with my husband at that point,

which was very dramatic and intense separation when I look back at it, but it was also so transformational. I think for both of us, we managed to stay great friends. And yeah, I'm very grateful to him for everything he has done for me and we still support each other unconditionally. But that was an intense thing. period of my life and I remember that I was traveling to Dubai for work because I was kind of managing this region as well for the software company I was working for and I I fell in

love here. Yeah. So it's just just out of, you know, it just stroke me. You know, those like the laugh from the first side, which turns out, you know, never, never a good story. Most of the times it's never, it's not a good story. Sorry. But that was exactly what I needed at that point to actually finalize my divorce, you know, to be brave enough to do that for love, to relocate to another country for love.

And, you know, just shortly after I relocated that that love story ended. But it served its purpose, purely, just served its purpose. and that's how I ended up here in Dubai. And I would say that the biggest transformation for me happened here, which is quite interesting because, you know, a lot of people, they tend to see Dubai as, oh, Dubai is this materialistic city, and it's like all bling, bling, no soul. I keep on hearing these things pretty much daily, surprisingly,

from the people who don't live here. So yeah, everyone has this stereotype and like to voice it out. In my opinion, Dubai is a beautiful, beautiful land. And I always say that Dubai kind of amplifies whatever you have. It will always amplify whatever you have, whatever you look for. So if you are looking for the bling, bling, and parties all night long, yeah, Dubai can happily provide you for that. If you are looking for, you know, if you're a workaholic and looking for your year opportunities and so on, again, you can work 24-7 in Dubai.

This city never sleeps. It's very intense and it's like quite brutal, brutal career-wise here. But again, if there is some, you know, if there is a craving for something more spiritual, Dubai again provides for that. It's such a beautiful land. The energy here is so pure. We didn't really have, you know, like lots, like lots of wars on this land. Or there wasn't much drama. It's very fresh country.

What we're just a little over 50 years. So it's fresh. It's new. It's the land of opportunities. Everything you want is here. And it's a hub. So everyone transitions at some point through Dubai. So all these beautiful teachers.

they're you know at some point they will end up in Dubai so if you're open for that then it serves the opportunity and for me that was very fruitful in that sense because yeah I came here and I was I was really deep in my work you know I was an executive I was like super serious and like traveling around the world I was like I was pretty much living on the plane you know I was spending, I would say, like around 70% of the time traveling on the business trips. And, you know, it was like all going well up until some point when I lost sleep because I was constantly on the plane and I was basically using alcohol as the substitute to knock me out.

We can say honestly right now. And, you know, and I had an acute back inflammation. as well and I was like fed all this crazy drugs that just made me delusional and I realized you know I was like I was in my early 30s and I was like I cannot go on like that because I'm just like I'm literally like an old person you know I can't function I drink a lot I gained weight you know all all this and I was miserable I was so unhappy so I had to change something and And, I mean, like, first it was just purely physical when I went, like, I just went, signed up for the closest yoga studio. Because I used to practice yoga back in Estonia, but like, not that much.

But I was like, yeah, I remember that. I was helping, you know, kind of with my back issues. And I signed up purely for that. And how it changed my life is just incredible because, you know, of course, I had to, like, I have to change the whole routine because, yeah, I started going to the afternoon classes, but then I realized quickly that if I really seriously want to get into yoga, then the majority of them in the morning, but I slept in the morning because I parted at the night. So that was, I was like, oh, my God, it's like, it's so difficult.

But, like, so I started, like, coming only to Friday class. It was Friday, Ashtanga class, which started at 9 a.m. Friday used to be the weekend for us back then. So, and I would come at nine because that was the earliest class I could make. While, you know, the rest of the week, they would start at 6 a.m. from yours. I was always the last person to walk into the room was my cup of coffee. You know, at nine, I could barely open my eyes.

I was like, oh, my God, like, what am I doing to myself? but slowly slowly you know I transitioned and it's so funny because now it's been like already many years after we love with my teacher because now I arrived for 6 a.m. class before my teacher and I'm like uh-uh you're late like two minutes late I've been here 15 minutes already like waiting for the doors to open and and we're always like how far I went and now for me is and I'm like 9 a.m. you know, by 9 a.m., I had my half day already done. You know, I've done my yoga. I've done my journaling. I've done my meditation. I've done my coffee.

All that by 9 a.m. is already accomplished. So, yeah, that's like that's how it started. You know, it started with yoga. And then, of course, you know, travels to India because of yoga. And I've done a lot of trainings in India as for the yoga teaching and for the meditation teaching. and I met beautiful teachers that are still my teachers. I still in touch with them. And I learned from them every day.

And it slowly, slowly kind of unfolded that, of course, the life pushed me out of the corporate job at that point, which was a big disaster because it was unexpected. And I was in the different country. It was just when the COVID started, just before the COVID. So, you know, imagine we're on the lockdown. I don't have a job. And I am in a different country.

I can't like even fly back home pretty much. And I'm, yeah, okay, cool. Let's embrace it. But of course, by then, I already had, you know, this really big trust, trust in the universe, trust in everything is happening for a reason. I already done my coaching training. I didn't go for the certification, but I already done my coaching training. I was already in the state where I could help myself and others around me.

So even though it's like it seemed like a disaster from outside, for me, I managed it quite well. You know, I really enjoyed that time. That was the time for myself. That's when I started recording. meditation online and that made me somehow into this spiritual mentor for many people and like still up to this day I I still release meditations not as much but quite regularly and still up to this day I have a lot of people reaching out for for spiritual mentorship for mindfulness mentorship because they've been

meditating with me for like years and The stories that I hear from them, you know, how they changed their life through the meditation, how they got of relationships that didn't serve them or depressions or they changed their work. You know, they got out of corporate world. All those stories are so inspiring and beautiful. So, yeah, so it's basically led me, like, I am, I stumbled across, you know, like, the five, FinTech world, which was a pure manifestation from my end again, because at some point, you know, like, it was like during the cover times and I was thinking, what is it that I want to do? And I was like, oh, like, I want, I really want to work in FinTech, uh, startup.

That's like more funky and like more interesting for me. And like I have all this experience with corporate so I can much run any company. And I remember I was like, oh, like I want to work for it for you. start up because I like going to London for business trips just like engraved in the only yeah I want like a UK startup opening a business here in in UAE and I want to drive this whole process and finally you know just accidentally purely accidentally I met a person he asked like for a coffee with me it was a common acquaintance and he's like oh let's have a coffee first time in Dubai he he just came on

vacation we were chatting and like what do you do what do you do like you know how's life in Dubai and he started telling me about his startup and he's a founder of UK fintech startup and we were talking he's like I feel like I need to open an office here would you come and work for me you know it's like oh you just like ticked off all the boxes and it just like everything that I manifested like half a year before and I already forgot him because I already moved on to another thing and then it comes to me you know and I was like hang on in mind that's like that's exactly what I manifested exactly and I think that was like you know the the turning point when I started to watch very closely what is that I'm manifest because if I was able to manifest

to big thing and in such a detail then I can manifest pretty much everything. So that's when I started to be more mindful about that and noticing small things, you know. And yeah, it's been a great journey. I'm not with that company anymore. So but I managed to build their business here in UAE. I got their license.

I was their CEO for a few years. And I moved on to my private consultancy in the same space now. But now I'm shifting to, into working with people because I realized that because like being in the startup world, you know, I also met so many founders and I spoke with so many people who would just need someone to hold their space and not like guide them as like I am as a consultant. I'm capable of doing that. But what I see is the biggest change happens over coffee.

when we just have a coffee with them. And the feedback I was getting, they're like, oh, how do you do that? It's like half an hour coffee with you gave me more clarity than, you know, half a year working with those advisors. And I'm like, yeah, well, I am a trained coach. So I know how to ask your question. So you find your path and you find the answers within you. That's not external when the advisor gives you them? Because you know, we all deep inside.

We all know, right? And it's just a matter of someone holding that space and guiding you to get deep inside you to find those answers. And I find it always so incredible because, yeah, I've been for that. I know the answers. But when I let the other person find his own answers, it will be always something I have never fought off. I'll be like, wow, okay. I wouldn't come up with that solution, even though I'm an expert. But yeah, that's that's that's always the best. So yeah, basically this year was very

very transformational for me in a sense of my personal clarity that I decided, okay, that's it. This is what I'm doing next. I've been I've been working enough in this space of serving businesses and companies and so on. I want to work with people because that's that's what the world I feel needs right now is just, you know, the space and someone who can help to unpack what we have inside. So that's how the project, Bintu being was born. Because being to being is basically blending the passion of coffee for me. And passion for mindfulness and, you know, self-awareness. And it's like it overlaps with coffee quite a lot as I see it and now and also the coaching.

So just like, you know, professional pure, good, clean coaching is an excellent tool. And even though I was like, I'm really into esoterics and all this, you know, energy work and so on. But still, at some points, you need just pure coaching. but like really really good coaching for someone to help you kind of like put it all together get the clarity and go so that's that's the whole project of been to being that blends all this concepts and blends pretty much all the modalities that I have been practicing and exploring for maybe like last 10 years so yeah that's the nutshell it's been a long thank you for coming to my chat talk, yeah? I think it's, first off, it's all relevant. It's a beautiful story.

And in our first conversation and some of the conversation we're having now and in the time in between, one thing that I've noticed is that if you look at the beginning of this particular story and you see the wall come crashing down, like that's a pretty powerful metaphor to see a wall come crashing down in the way it changes your life. And then to move into whatever, be it, software or fintech and be it through eight different countries what i hear is a master of relationships and i think that that's something that being to being does and i think that's exactly why you can sit down with somebody for a half an hour over a cup of coffee and get them to say things about themselves they probably haven't told anyone in their life or 30 years you know and like you you're

magnificent at unblocking the things that people have been corking up for so long but i think that stems from your understanding of relationships, from your relationship to fears that may have been and the way you've overcome them and having the courage to leave things that were not working. A lot of people can't do that. But maybe you can unpack that a little bit. How have all of these things made you great at understanding relationships? Maybe you can just talk about relationships for a while because I think you really have a unique perspective. there. Thank you so much. Well, I think that, you know, I cannot praise travels enough.

Yeah, true. So what I think is, like, I've been blessed was having a job for eight years that, like, really took me to very, very many different places. And, you know, being, being exposed to really a range of different backgrounds. So I think that what, because, you know, like when I was growing up, I was very shy. I was like, I was a super shy child, going and talking to a stranger, even like, you know, in my, in my early 20s, talking to a completely stranger or picking up a phone and calling someone that I don't know who is on that. And oh my God, that was like, that was freaking me out.

It was just paralyzing. It was just this paralyzing fear. And imagine I'm ending up, you know, like working for international company. And like I have to open doors for that company. I was opening new markets. I was like opening a market like of New Zealand, you know, just going to the New Zealand, opening the office, they're hiring people. It was of course like much later.

But you know, just like this contrast. And when I'm thinking, you know, when I'm looking back, what was it? First of all, for sure, my father, who showed me how is that possible. My father is very, very curious. My father is like, I'm exactly the same, you know, if you look, because he is, he would study everything he wants to study. He had, he was a successful entrepreneur, but he also studied in the actor school. You know, my parents met on the stage of the theater.

So it's like, that's the range we're talking about. Right. So he would be like, one day he's like, oh, I want to be a film director. And he starts making movies. Another day he's like, oh, like I want to like open a restaurant and then he's getting into real estate development. That's the range of my father we're talking about. That's pretty much what I inherited.

And that makes sense. I can see that. Yeah. And I was always, you know, like I was always with my dad when I was small because, you know, those days we didn't have nannies. or, you know, it was just like, you're bored, your both parents are working. So I was always on the car. I even didn't have a baby seat, you know, like for Christ.

I was just like there in the car. So he removed the passenger seat and he just made, you know, like a little ground for me just like crawling around. That's so from my very early age, I was exposed to conversations of adults. and, you know, a lot of adults, you know, different conversations. Because if you can imagine the range of my father, you know, like, and his interest, these are all conversations that was always around. So I was like just absurd. I was super shy at that, at that age, but I was just listening.

And for me, it was like, this were my fairy tales. That's what I grow up with. That's so cool. And then, you know, like travels. Travels. I think like everyone has to travel. Travel, travel really as much as you can because travel really takes us out of our comfort bubble. And travel, especially if it's alone or with someone who is on the same kind of journey as you are, I love traveling alone.

I just love it. And majority of my travels, I do alone. Because when we go alone, we're more aware of what's happening. and it's so interesting to see, you know, the other facets of our personality showing up. Because when we rob our shoulders with another culture, another traditions, another way of thinking, another way of doing things,

we're like, oh, we start reacting differently. And we're seeing those, like, if we're aware of that, we can notice it like, oh, I can be this and I can be that, and I can be that. So I am way more than I think when I'm just, you know, staying at home. So I think traveling is very, very important just for this range of understanding it's yourself. I think what's your capable of, what, you know, other ways of thinking and like other perspectives, so to say. and of course exploring other cultures because like I've been to almost 70 countries at this at this day

and we had this competition with my ex-artner you know who does more and like this year I won and he's like I can't believe it I can't believe it because he was trying really hard to win but and I was always like few countries behind and yeah now I won't fly there one country ahead and so but like you know just like traveling to so many different countries and of course they're very different some of the countries you know like going like from Estonia to Cambodia or like Vietnam it's completely different culture but that helped me to be open and, you know, be able to, like, I can communicate with everyone. But I think also, you know, like, that's what Dubai gave me.

Because here we have 200 nationalities, everyone living in the same city. And throughout the day, I will, hey, it's probably at least five different nationalities, at least, you know, like if I'm staying at home and I'm just going to the grocery shop, you know, and talking to the security on the way. That will be at least, you know, five different nationals in a day. All of them, they have their own beliefs, their own perspective, their own way of thinking. And when you when you speak with them like on a daily basis, and especially when you start doing business with them, you know, you learn all that. And, you know, like here, even celebrations, you know, like Diwali, you know, I was never aware of what Diwali is before I moved to UAE.

even though it's an Indian celebration. It's like in Indian New Year pretty much. But like how would I learn about it living in Estonia? We have probably one Indian. Like we have an Indian restaurant that the owner is Indian who moved there, you know, in Soviet times and just stayed. But now probably it's like more but in general. So like how would I learn about it?

So being in this hub, international hub, and having Indian friends and, you know, like celebrating with them, having Muslim friends celebrating with them, you know, and it's just like different mindsets and you kind of learn it. And I think that's what gives me. So I'm very confident that I can't talk with absolutely any person on absolutely any topic because I don't connect head to head. I connect heart to heart.

And when you connect heart to heart, that's when the magic happens. You know? Even if it's a different language and we don't understand it, we can still communicate, you know, heart to heart. It's beautiful, yeah. It is beautiful. And I'm glad you brought up languages because I know you speak multiple languages. And another, when I think about the linguistics and some symbols and language and communication,

not only do you speak multiple languages and you get to learn a lot about cultures and yourself when you have to think in different languages. You know, and, you know, we know that Latin, lots of languages have a Latin root to it. But so do a lot. Business is like its own language. And different cultures do business differently. It's like its own language.

And when you can begin to understand that root and then be fluent in business in multiple cultures, that's a whole other way to connect to people. I mean, you could speak to that because you've done it a lot. You're very unique in that. Yeah, thank you. My ego is just, you know, having the moment today. Thank you so much.

It's just like, because, you know, like being like on the spiritual journey, I'm suppressing my ego daily, like just like calm down, buddy. But like now it's like, yeah, told you, told you. Good information though, right? Like not many people have the opportunity to do business in multiple places and understand that as a language. And I think you're unique to do that. And it doesn't have to be, you can share it with us.

You know what I mean? So it's more of like a sharing thing. Yeah. But that's true, you know, different languages. Different languages is, it also gives you this another, you know, kind of like tool to operate. Even if you just know two languages. As long as you know an extra language, that already gives you a tremendous different perspective.

Agreed. Because if I'm thinking, you know, it's like, I speak Russian, I speak English, I speak Estonian. I have, you know, a bit of understanding of French. Used to be fluent, but it's gone, German, you know, Italian. But like, but once you learn two languages, at least, yeah, then you kind of, each next language is easier because we were like, yeah, okay, like each language is a bit different.

So, you know, they might talk backwards. Like, for Russian and English, you know, like it would be complete. You can always, you can always see like, oh, like, she's probably like a native Russian because the way we would speak in English is different. Like we put the words opposite to different order. Right. So, you know, and but like once you learn that, you understand that it's like, yeah, every language is different. you can but again you can express yourself and then also like it's like yeah it's like it's the way

the way to life but you start understanding and you start kind of like I don't know maybe be more more passionate and more more compassionate and more and more empathy yeah to others and you understand this like yeah it's like but it's like it's also wires you know how we think when we when we we speak one language we think that way when we speak another language we we think another way kind of like yeah might be backwards and when you speak with someone also who is not native in that language like in Dubai nobody is native in english let's be honest so like my English kind of deteriorated a bit here because because I have to adjust and you know you're being very kind of like accommodating and you understand like yeah like okay the he might be expressing himself verbally

in one way but it's like you know what's behind it so you always kind of look behind it because we can like you know we can meet a lot of people who are not that good in the language that they're trying to express themselves and we sometimes we just we're just like arrogant and we're like annoyed and we're like yeah just just get it out there and so on but it's like it's it's a skill to accommodate that yeah and and and always like see what's behind it and try to to connect you know on the grander scale and that will extend to everything you know that's like like extending the language to business because essentially you know it doesn't matter which business you're in The skills are skills, you know, especially when we're talking about soft skills and business is a soft skill.

Business is not a hard skill. Like, yeah, engineering, I don't know, being a surgeon. Yeah, that's a very, you know, narrow skill. But business, running a business, managing a business, a soft skill. And once you master it, you can apply it to any single business out there. I cannot think of, you know, area that I would. wouldn't be able to come and master. And this comes with confidence, you know.

Like, again, the confidence is speaking another language. Because just, you know, it's, you're a native speaker in English. I'm not, you know, and for me, like, sometimes I'm thinking, you know, sometimes when I go like really low in that like, oh, like, you know, I'm a failure, didn't, didn't achieve this, that, that. I'll be like, dude, you speak English. majority of people from your country don't just like yeah yeah it's a huge way just think that and you know yeah so it's like that's pretty much the story no it speaks volumes because the same way you know when

when i used to live in me people would talk to me and it seems so fast that the spanish they would speak was so fast. And I had to think in English and then translate it to Spanish. So there's always this pause going on. And you're right. Once you begin doing that in another language, all of a sudden you have this empathy and this patience for other people who are trying to translate in their head and then explain it back to you. And when you're doing that, I'm looking at you. I was looking at the people in Mexico and they were looking at me not only for the words. They're not only listening, but now they're looking at my eyes. They're looking at my facial expressions. They're looking at the tension in my body.

And that is exactly what you can look for in business when you're doing a deal. Like, oh, this guy's saying this, but I see the way his fist is clenched up. This guy, you know what I mean? It's like you start to see all this physical body language that only really comes when you study it. And the way you study it is by listening to other people speak, but watching their body intensely because you're desperately trying to figure out what they're trying to communicate. that's the beauty of language on so many levels. And I think you expressed it very well there. That does allow you to go to other countries.

That does allow you to experience other cultures in a way that is meaningful. And I guarantee you, that's probably kept you out of a lot of trouble as well. Like you get in some spots sometimes you're like, I'm out of here. I see what this guy is saying. I see what the girl's doing. But that's not what they mean. I'm gone. Yes, yes.

And also like, you know, it's not even like the skill of language. it's the listening it's the level it's the level we're listening because we can be in our head and just like trying to connect through our hat as I said but like or we can get out of our head you know when you're talking with someone and you're not thinking what you're going to say next or like you know you're just you're just there you just listen to the person and that's a completely different level of connection you know when we're training when we're training for coaches we have an exercise there when we just look at each other for five minutes we just look and then we give the feedback what did I feel in this five minutes happening with you

and it's just incredible so it's coaching with no words because you can coach with no words you just feel and you're just being so intuitive and like grasping for things and also like if I'm coaching someone in like who's different like native language And they would be struggling with saying the, you know, like, oh, like this like what's happening, you know, in in English. I'm like, yeah, say it in your language. It doesn't matter. For me, it doesn't matter. Right. Because I'm just getting the energy and I can coach you out of like, and I will, and I will continue using that word in that language. I'll be like, okay, whatever it is. And like, what is it for you? You know, and we unpack that. So it really doesn't matter for me, you know, if I understand 100%. And always find a way.

and yet how we can get out of very crazy situations just by feeling. And a good story for that, which is not that I was getting out of the bad situation, but how seemingly for everyone was a crazy situation turned out a very good success story. I remember that when the war in Crimea started, like the Russia took the Crimea that was like just like just maybe a month after that, I was going on a business trip to Crimea. And I am arriving there with, yeah, like, I'm a European, you know, what would do? We travel with credit cards, right? We have roaming everywhere, never even crossed my mind, even though I was like traveling

intensely, never even crossed my mind that I'm arriving to Crimea, which is under sanctions. No credit cards are working. They're cash only. I have no cash, zero. My roaming, my European roaming, of course, is not working there. So I'm without a phone. I'm without internet. You know, I just caught off.

And I'm arriving to the airport and the transfers that was supposed to pick me up. They're not there. So they kind of lost me and they can't connect with me because I'm out of data. Like, I'm unreachable. And I need to get to the city where the conference is happening. and that's like three hours drive. And it's in the middle of the night and the airport is closing down. So what are you doing that situation?

So I just went to the taxi drivers and I asked like one guy. I was like, can you drive me? It's like three hours, through mountains to that place. And I will find a way to pay you somehow at the later date. And, you know, like, so we, we spent, and he was like, okay, I'll do that. And he was driving. And I was like, oh, my God, you know, I'm, I sat in the car was the guy that I just met, you know, we're driving through the night through the mountains.

It's like, there are no other cars. Like, he can just like stop the car and kill me out right there, you know, just like take my jewelry. And that will be way more than I will pay him for this tax. it right you know and like all of his uh taxi friends like they're calling him constantly and i'm being a witness and they're like are you an idiot why are you taking her she will never pay you she will like scam you like you're stupid blah blah blah and you know like and i'm going and it's like three hours drive and i understand like i need to build a very strong friendship with this guy so he doesn't kill me yeah so he will feel like we're friends so i'm using oh like i'm time

And like I just want to sleep. It's a little bit of that. But like I use all my skills to communicate, to build a connection. And he like, he drove me to that hotel. And everyone in that hotel, they were like, you did what? Like you don't do such things. It's not safe.

Right. Yeah. So I was there. I was the legend of that conference. And then I found like I asked my friend in in Russia to, to wire money to him, you know, and then I managed to wire money to her. So it was like a big process. But he got the money and he called my friend and he was like, I knew that she's a good person. I was like, everyone told me that she will never pay but he did. And it's like,

it's so incredible that I trusted her and I helped her. And so he felt like a better person. And I felt that it was just, it's a great story because everyone was like, you are crazy. I couldn't even send, you know, the SMS that I'm sitting in this car was this plate. And, you know, it's a three, three hour drive through the mountains and I don't have connections. Like, you know, I would just disappear. But a beautiful story, again, about connection. You know, like just connecting hard to hard. I was like, man, like, I swear, help me out.

So, yeah, there are stories like that. It's beautiful. And I think that this ties directly into the ideas about manifesting. like you were talking about earlier. In the beginning of our conversation, you were talking about ways in which you were able to manifest. I think this is a great breakdown of how that happens. And sometimes people can watch a video

or hear someone talk about manifesting something, but it sounds so foreign. And I think that what we've done here, and maybe we can continue to go down this road, is there's a language of manifesting things. Yeah. And maybe it's listening with the heart, like what we've kind of explained here,

whether it's listening intensely to someone's, facial features or whether it's listening to the environment around you. But let's dig a little deeper. Like, what are some, maybe we continue to go down this road so people can really understand, like what it really means? What do you got? What else?

Give us another one. Oh, I manifest daily. Like, I'm that person. I manifest like this. Tell us how. Tell us the language about it. Like, break it down for us. For me, manifesting is about trust.

Yes. It's just about trust. So like I've been, you know, when the movie, the secret came out, oh my God, I was so excited about it. Like I watched it probably 50 times. That was like when it was more than 20 years ago, I think it was. And it was, I was like, oh, I was so fascinating, but nothing was working because like, I was like, come on, you know, like I do this vision boards and, you know, like I try to envision

it and like a feel and type. I try to follow all those rules. well first of all what's like first of all is gratitude gratitude gratitude whenever we're grateful for things then we manifest more of those those things and it's just this state of gratitude which is essential I think for like anything be it manifestation be it just happy life be it health be it success anything just being grateful for what we already have is essential And like I nailed it.

I was struggling with it. Because especially when you're in, you know, when you're low, when it's like everything is falling apart, it's so hard to be grateful. It's hard. It is like it is a job. But I realize that, you know, when I'm low and I drop that manifestation, I'm like, yeah, whatever, like, you know, like I just, I just need a week off. I'll be grateful when things get better.

I'm kind of delaying that things get better. And even that moment, I will just sit down and say like, okay, fine, I'll just find five things to be grateful for. I'm alive. You know, I have house. I don't know. I can see. I can write. I have this pen.

I have this paper. Simple, simple, simple things. I immediately feel better. So just like leaving, like, I'm now doing the 300 days of daily gratitude challenge. And everyone is messaging me because, like, I'm posting it on social media and people are like, Oh my God, like 300 days. Like, that's a lot. I'm like, that's the whole point of it.

That should be your whole life. Right. So I'm trying to show that like this should be your whole life. And I'm very proud, for example, of my mom. She's very negative. You know, she likes to complain. And we had a call just before New Year's Eve. And she was saying that, like, oh, I will write this, you know, like wishes for the New

Year's Eve, you know. And there's like this. these traditions that you're right, if you burn it, you mix it with champagne, you drink it, all this like very, very post-Soviet kind of like thing. And I was like, I have a better idea for you. She's like, yeah, tell me because she loves like she drinks, you know, like all this picking off these dreams. I'm like, why don't you like do an experiment? Instead of doing that thing, it's just one year, you know, how many years you've been doing

all your life? How many of those wishes happen? Not that many. Like, let's try another thing. What if you start, you know, just being grateful and just write down what are you grateful for daily? And tomorrow you do 100 things. I just like, oh my God, I can't. I'm like, yeah, you can. Like, that's a challenge.

So try. I'm like, try. You're not losing it. So what are we now? It's like 18th of January, you know. I'm talking with my mom. Like I normally have a call with my mom, you know, once in two weeks because that's a bit draining for me. I'm talking with my mom.

daily now. She is just living her life. She's, she's so happy. She's like, she has like all this thing. He hasn't complained once. And I'm like, what happened? And I asked her just like the other day. I'm like, are you still on your gratitude thing? She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, daily. Like I drive, I drive to work and I'm saying things, what I'm grateful for. So like, yeah, I like it's like, but like she even didn't register, you know, how it changed her life. And it's like for me. And I'm like, I will not tell it to her because then she will start having expectations. But like, she's in this and it's like, and I can see that it's like two weeks. It changed her.

So gratitude, that sets this whole tone for us being in a good state. And then when we're when we're grateful, when we're, when we're also mindful, when we're aware of what's happening with us, you know, it's like it's all these layers. We get into this flow. And in that flow, we are unstoppable. we can really honestly manifest absolutely anything. And once we kind of like get a hold of that and what is also important to notice that, you know, like small manifestation. Oh, like tiny thing happened.

I'm like, ah, I manifested it. Like I did it. I think, yeah, I'm good. So, you know, just reminding giving the credit back to yourself. Then we start noticing more things because again, you know, like where our attention goes. that's where the you know like the whole energy flows though when we're when we're being grateful we get more things to be grateful for when we start noticing you know small things we're getting more of those things that kind of like that's the way it

goes and then you know more and more things start happening because we have trust we already have trust so we know that like yeah I can manifest that I just manifest like of course I can and And then also like the trust removes fear, which is another, you know, like it's another side of the coin that I see, especially a lot of people that come to me with this question for mentorship. They're like once they start going on the spiritual journey and they see the improvement and the things start happening, then they develop the fear that once they stop doing all this practices, they stop like meditating, they stop. you know, doing like daily walks by the beach and just being mindful and spending so much time and effort on being in the flow. Once they stop, the flow stops. No, if you have the trust. Because that's not the flow. That's not the meditation you're doing daily. That's all,

that all helps you to get into the flow. Once you're there, that's it. It's you. Even when you're low and we all low at some points. We are humans. So we go for, for ups and downs, you know, I go for ups and downs daily within one day. And it does not anyhow affect my manifestation skills. It doesn't because I know that I'm capable of doing that. It's like I can speak English. You know, if I'm in a bad mood, I can still speak English. If I'm in a good mood, I can still speak English. It doesn't matter. The same was manifesting. So we have to have that trust and that belief that, yes, I can do it. And we started. with small things, you know, start manifesting.

I don't know, just like getting a good cup of coffee or like someone, someone, you know, inviting you for a coffee or something simple and just, you know, but acknowledge it. Like, oh, no, oh, no, it's not an accident. Oh, yeah, of course. Like, yeah, my friend invited me for a coffee, she always does it. No, flip it. I manifested it. And when we start doing that, then we will see that we're like absolutely unsubstant.

You know, I was like in a very, very low, low mood few weeks back. Like, it was just like beginning of December. I don't remember what exactly was happy. It was like in the worst mood. And I went to the beach and I was sitting in the bridge. And I was like, oh, maybe it will help me. Let me do this meditation. Oh, it doesn't work.

You know, I'm like, yeah, I'm so annoyed. And it's like, that time, you know, like it just happens with all of us. And I'm like, yeah, whatever. And I was sitting. I'm like, oh, it would be so nice to go to her mom now. But like Hamat, look at the steam baths. We have the Moroccan hamams. And I like, but the hamam we go to was my friend.

We were trying to get a spot for three months. It's always fully booked. And it's like, I'm like, yeah, like there is no chance. Yeah, whatever. I'm like, yeah, I could manifest it, but I'm like, I'm in such a low state. Like I can't even bother. And I'm driving back home from the beach. And I'm stopping in the traffic jam.

It's a crazy traffic jam. I'm like, yeah, you know, like this traffic. jam so annoying, you know, I'm just like, you know, wiring myself. Make it worse. And I'm stepping right in front of the hammam that we normally go to. And I'm like, okay, universe, I hear you. Right. So I just like, I just stopped like, I'm stuck anyways in the traffic.

I'm not going to let me just go and ask them. When I walk in and the lady, she's like, she puts her phone down and she looks at me. And I'm sorry, like, I know it's a long stretch. And yeah, I know you're fully broke. But like is there is any chance you can like take me now? She starts laughing and she's like I don't know how you do that because I just put down the phone and that was the client that is supposed to come like in half an hour, but she got sick So do you want to take her place? Because she's like yeah, we are booked for like next three months I'm like yeah

I'm gonna go next door and have my coffee and you prepare things like to me and I'll just come back and I message my friend I'm like do you you will never believe what happened I just I'm I'm having my hand mom session and the half and I said how exactly you've done it and that's like that's the example I always give when people say like oh like I'm afraid you know like I'm in a bad and you know just don't manifest bad things when you're in a bad moon you can still manifest but like you will you will manifest bad or good just manifest good things don't Like you can say like, yeah, I'm, I'm in a really low place now.

I am in a bad mood. That's okay. Happens with the best of us. It does not mean that, you know, I will get in the accident or I will lose my job or blah, blah, it just means that I'm in a bad mood. So like just separating those facts from, you know, the emotional baggage. I am in a bad mood for whatever reason. But I know that like, yeah, I want to get that.

I want to get that. and I will get that eventually. It's okay. Don't manifest bad things, you know, because they will also manifest. So I think, yeah, it's all about trust and gratitude and just, like, just believing it. I love it. I think it speaks to the idea of awareness as well. So many times when you're in that low state, like, you know, you mentioned, I'm at the beach and then I'm in the traffic jam.

Like, you're just manifesting the traffic jam. But what I really admire about. many things about that. What I really admire is you have the awareness to see the universe calling to you. Like you're stopped right in front of the place you want to go. Like that is the universe. Like, Jana, just get out of this bad moment from it.

I'm trying to talk to you. It's like a good friend desperately trying to get your attention. Like, hey, over here, it can be way back there. Exactly. And it's just being aware of that. And it's like it's just just noticing and just trusting. because I could have said like, yeah, whatever, you know, like, this is just like, I will not get into anyways. And like, what is it? I think it's like, you know, it's curiosity. That's the key. Just be curious.

Ah, okay, I stopped in the traffic jump. Why? Let's explore that. Just let's be curious. Because that's, like, for me, curiosity, that's what drives me, you know, because like I'm always curious about things and I start exploring and that's how I meet people and then they introduce me to other people and so on and so on and it's just you know unfolding so beautifully you know I've been like I got interested in coffee just like last year yeah and I and I got into specialty coffee and I like I went and I did my professional training so I'm exploring coffee and like I'm like I'm meeting those experts and I'm like yeah like you're an expert oh like you know like just like can I can I follow you in Instagram and I'm like And for me, coffee world is just like, it's so big.

And it's like, it's like, you know, completely unchattered territory. I like, wow. And just the other day, I met the quality expert of the biggest coffee company we have here in UAE. And they're not specialty coffee, but I started with them, like a few years back. And I was like admiring their coffee. Wow, that's like, for me, that was the best at that point. And it's like, and it really, they really have a good coffee. But like, I mean, like I was shifting from from espresso to a brewed coffee.

And I was like using more commercial, but they still have really good coffee. It's the best commercial coffee out of there, I think. And like, and I met their quality expert in one of the coffee tastings. And I just like, we just followed each other on Instagram. and he's been following me and he just messaged me the other day he's like do you want to come for like for our production you know

want to explore it's like you're kidding me that's for me like you have the dream coming true I would never even imagine that I would be invited for that company to come and see their production and you know have a coffee with those people

they are for me the gods you know and I'm like yes Because it's like, I love what you're doing. You know, it's just like you're being so curious about coffee because I post a lot about coffee. I try different coffee every day and I talk a lot about it on social media. And I was like, yeah, like you're so curious. Come. Like, we'll show you everything.

Oh, again, that's like, that's also, you know, the way that that's pure curiosity that took me, you know, from being nobody in the coffee world into a person just like being invited to the really big. productions and, you know, exploring and meeting people. So it's curious. Nothing else. It's wonderful. And that brings us to the idea of coffee. This brings us, I think it's a great segue into the idea of, you know, from being to being. I think we've built a little bit of a foundation where people can understand a little bit of your background. They can understand a little bit of how you see the world, how you navigate in this space. What's special to you. and some of the tips and tricks that you use in order to navigate your life. Maybe we can shift into what is it like if I come to you or say someone's watching

and they want to understand what this being to being is about. Like maybe you can tell us. So, you know, when I got into coffee earlier last year and I started like, for me, it was a part of very interesting experiment, the whole start of the start of this. story. I normally do once a year I do this experiment with myself

when I explore new things. Explore new flavors. So like, you know, if I order, like, normally eat eggs for breakfast. I'll go and order, I know, lobster rolls for breakfast. Brand. And so like I literally come to the

coffee place or like the cafe and I just like choose from the menu something I have never ordered and something I would never order for breakfast or I order like eggs for dinner. You know, just I'm completely swapping around. Instead of yoga, I signed up last time. I signed up for jujit. So I was doing Brazilian jiu jit.

So, you know, like completely other side of the spectrum. Instead of working out in the morning. I started working out in the evening, you know, and like just mixing things up just to disturb my routine and see whether it's still serving me, first of all. So like I figured that like, yeah, I do feel better when I think. work out in the mornings. Point taken, you know, or like, yeah, I do like my eggs instead of, you know, pastry for the morning.

It's just like whatever, but then I would be like, oh, I actually, you know, peanut butter cookies better than chocolate cookies. I live 40 years of my life. I was sure I love chocolate cookies. I have peanut butter. Actually, I like it better. Okay, cool. Note.

So I do that yearly. And I also say yes to everything. You know, someone tells me like, oh, I'm. let's do that I'm like yeah let's do that and it's like sometimes it's a bit crazy experiences like never never you know like too dangerous but some of them you know will leave me weak on my knees like when I went for the roller coaster you know the last year and like and I I am scared of roller coasters from from from my childhood and I went to the biggest one we have in UAE I thought I will die and and like I was I was literally demanding them to stop it like

in halfway through like obviously nobody listened to me but yeah but I told my mom she was like you did what like she's why would you do that like you were scared shitless I'm like yeah I thought like my heart roll stuff but yeah I'm doing all that so and last year when I was doing it you know I was like sitting in my in in in in one of the coffee places I had my breakfast something very different and I was ordering coffee and coffee I ordered just that and I'm like yeah like oatmeal cappuccina and then i'm like hang on and then that's what that's when it hit me i'm like i'm doing all this practices i'm exploring all this new things but i always always order the same coffee just like am i being like mindful at that point no am i being present at that

point no it's purely automatic just oatmeal cappuccino so i was like wait and then the waiter is like, okay. I'm like, show me what other coffees you have there. Let's see. Let's do a cortado. Let me try a cortado with almond milk. You know, just let's go, you know, bananas. Let's, let's explore something. And that's like, and that's when I could like, you know, and I tried it. I'm like, I actually like it more. It's like more coffee taste, less milk. Like, I like it. I started exploring. And then I was like, oh, like all this concept, you know, like special. It's. coffee what is specialty coffee about? I went like I started going to speciality coffee places and I was talking with baristas and uh and I was like tell me you know and it's like they

and they're happy to share of course and like you know they would be like just like showing me you see these beans this is like this is this person this is this road this is I'm like yeah I have like no clue I've seen no difference but like sure I trust you and I started tasting you know different coffees and I said it's exploring and I was traveling the whole summer and like during my summer's summer travels I was like yeah I'll be going to all specialty coffee places in those cities that I traveled to and try you know and I was trying trying trying and I was like reading a lot about it and then then I came back to Dubai in the fall I went for the for the training and and and then when I said like I started connecting it you know so first of all the level of awareness you know I was like Why am I ordering this specific coffee? You know, so it's like we all have, you know, our preferences. And what I see like when I started, you know, being mindful about it and noticing what's happening around me.

And I always ask my clients as well, you know, who comfort coach, you know, how was your cup of coffee this morning? Ah, why did you choose that coffee? Oh, I don't know, because I always drink it, you know, that that will be the standard answer, right? 99% of the cases. I always drink my Americana. What do you mean? But why? What do you like about it?

How do you feel before the coffee? And what do you think when you're choosing to make that cup of coffee? I don't know. You know, yesterday I was meeting with my, she's coming as a client for me and coaching. And we had a coffee with her. And first time, she's like, I really. want to try that coffee you know that you're always like drinking on your instagram that poor over like i never like i just drink my americana i'm like okay let's let's order so i ordered

the coffee i spoke as a barista we chose it and like and i explained her how to drink it you know like that like taste you know see what what the flavors what's what's on your palette what do you feel you know we've we had like 15 minutes discussion about she's like i never knew that the coffee can be so tasty you know she's the i didn't i never even had an idea. I never thought that like, you know, no. She's like, I don't know, there's like some flowers on Jasmine. She's like, yeah, Jasmine. You know, and like you pick up on that. And then you get curious. I'm like, oh, so like this was the coffee, you know, from Bali, wash beans. Like, oh, what if we try, you know, some other coffee and like it will be a different taste? So you start exploring those,

those flavors. And it tells so much about you when you're mindful because I never, I never choose my coffee anymore, you know, on autopilot. I wake up and I would be like, I go to my kitchen. I have about 30 different coffees. I'm truly living a life of minimalist, but not in coffee. You know, that's one thing that I'm like, I'm really spoiling myself with. And I have different coffees from all over the world, different processing methods, whatever. And I will always pause there and I'm like, okay, how do I feel today?

Like for example, I might be like I might be going for intense training right now and it's a lot of things happening. So I'm a bit like overwhelmed. I can feel that I'm already, you know, in the morning, I'm a bit overwhelmed and I need something to kind of like give me that space to contain those emotions and just calm down and focus. I'll be like, okay, like what do I need? Like, I don't need really, like, you know, go for Yemeni coffee, for example. Yemeni is just like, you know, it's madness for your, for your sensory. It's like, it's an overload. That's a celebratory coffee.

I've never do that to myself when I'm already overwhelmed. I go for something simple, you know, I go like Kenya, Brazil, wash. So it's stripped down from, you know, that richness of flavor. It's more crisp, more clean flavor. I'll choose the poor over with the chemics matter because it's just like, it again kind of like cleans down the taste. And then when, so it's like it's a process. It's like good 15, 20 minutes for me to make my coffee.

But then I sit down and then I have this 15 minutes of me time when I'm drinking that coffee. And I know that this is, this is a mindful choice of this coffee, specific coffees, specific flavors, specific beans, specific brewing method. And I already gave myself those. like 50, 20 minutes of my time checking in with myself. And then I can sit already and kind of I know that this specific dream serves me at this specific day, at this specific mindset.

And I know that it will just, you know, be good for me, not wire me unnecessary or create some some other, you know, weird things for me. So I'm very mindful about my coffee. And this also trains, you know, the muscle of making a choice because I see like, I sometimes have clients that come and say like, oh, like I have like difficult to make choice. And I've been to that in that space as well. So like at some point of my life, it was very difficult for me to make choice. So I was constantly trying to shift responsibility to others, you know, like, oh, you choose coffee or like you're like you're like, you choose.

the wine, you know, like how we, just like those small things. So I'm very aware of that. And when, when someone tells me that, oh, first thing I ask, like, how do you drink your coffee? Like, or like, if it's so brilliant, it's brilliant. How do you drink your tea? Like, you know, it's like, it can be anything. How do you drink your beer? Like, it doesn't matter. But, like, I work for coffee medicine. And I'm, I'm always, like, can predict that it will be like, I don't care. It's a coffee, you know, like whatever. Same, same thing every day. And I always ask them to start before you order your coffee, before you make your coffee, start thinking, what is it that you want? Like, why are you choosing this coffee? Because that's like, you know,

just answering why? Why this specific coffee? Why do I drink this coffee every day? Why? Am I afraid to change something in my life? And that will be the question. I will be asking. I'm thinking like where else in your life are you afraid to make that decision? Where else in your life are you afraid to make changes? Start with coffee. Start trying different coffee every day. Start going to different coffee places every day. And be curious.

Even if it's like the worst coffee every life, I remember I went to one place and I had a coffee. And I was like, wow, that's the worst coffee in my whole life. But like, I was so excited about it because I was like, wow. You know, it's like I would have never, you know, experienced that if I wouldn't be curious, but now I know what is the bad coffee. And that's like, that's a skill to make that bad coffee. Right. It's like it's a lot of reflections that you can do around coffee.

And train that muscle of making a choice, train that muscle of getting out of the comfort zone on the very simple things. Because like people, very often, you know, this mindfulness game, it's like stars. It's like, oh, like you go big, you know, you change. You have to, like, when I'm listening to, like, a lot of this big teachers, you know, if you don't kind of, like, just break it down, it looks like overnight I have to change my whole life. Right. Oh, like, you know, from next day, I will be vegan. I will be meditating daily. I will be, like, you know, positive and ingratitude and just, like, all that. And it feels so overwhelming. Just, like, take it down. Coffee. Start with your coffee.

how you choose your coffee start choosing other coffees start exploring that world and see where it takes you because for me it took me it took me to you know the whole world of specialty coffee traveling around the world trying coffees and it's not my profession but like i i love it i can make cappuccino now you know i did the barista course it is very challenging skill and i do appreciate now when like the baristas draw this little art i'll be like my god like i know how much How much work is that? Oh, man, that's like that, that little swan. That's like really a skill.

So it's like, you know, I met new people and like, and those people shared their life stories. I love life stories, you know, like I love listening to like how people arrive. There is never a random person in coffee space because nobody is born with the idea, you know, that, oh, I'm going to be the expert in coffee. No, every single expert on coffee, they have a story. Wow, just ask. Every barista, next time you go to a coffee shop, ask your barista their life story. It's always so interesting. So, yeah, that's the tool.

Coffee is just a tool and being curious about that small thing because it's your daily routine. Hoping into it, oh my God, there is so much you can explore about yourself. so much yeah so that's that that's the story of coffee and that's why it's the bean to being because it is been to being we start with like a little seed we start being curious about that seed and that seed is starting to grow and it's like growing into something that we're kind of the dreaming of becoming so that's my that's my vision it's so it's so brilliant janet like Like in this, just in this short time, like, for anybody who's paying attention, like, the idea that you can fundamentally transform someone's life and help them shift decisions, not only through

their day, but through their life by starting off with a coffee. Like, it's brilliant. Getting someone to understand how to make decisions. Getting someone to understand why they make decisions. Getting someone to be comfortable with making decisions. And the way you do it, I have never heard of anybody. in my life doing it this way. You make it sound so poetic and beautiful and simple and and approachable.

Like that is one of the mini skills that makes you as beautiful as you. That is mind-blowing to me. Like, I see it. And I'm thankful there's people out there like you doing it. It's wonderful. And all along, you're learning this skill that you love to do. Like, you found a way to, like, take this wonderful curiosity and help every way. It's like infectious.

in some ways. It's wonderful. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. It's like for me, I wanted, because, you know, like, I wanted to bring this mindfulness because mindfulness feels so heavy, you know. Spiritual growth feels so heavy. And it's been, it's been commercialized unnecessary to become very difficult. It seems difficult. And it's not. It's not. I've, I've been on this journey. And I am quite spiritual. I am like I am in this space. You have to be. It's not difficult. It's not difficult.

And like it frustrates me when it's being commercialized and being like it's made to be more difficult than it is for for to be able to commercialize. So that's why like, you know, like if it would be so easy, nobody would need all the gurus and teachers, right? And that's what I want to achieve. That's like, I started writing book, you know, where I'm kind of trying to put all this together. Because like you don't need to read, you know, another like million of books. You don't need to go to, you know,

and you retreat every month. You don't need all the stitches. No, all the answers we have is within us. What we have to do is just pause and thing and listen to us. Coffee is a great example. That's a pause. So that's why I'm bringing it together and I really like I am really on the mission to make this you know spiritual growth whatever you call it accessible and easy for everyone for everyone.

So it's like we stop we stop this madness of you know making it difficult and all this mindfulness retreats and like meditation retreats and like all that. No, it's all easy. Let's let's let's just strip it all down. make it easy everyone has access to it everyone drinks coffee in the morning everyone has access to the spiritual growth that's it that's the bottom line it's so wonderful it's it's just pulling the curtain back look it's just this little guy over here that's all that is come on over here let me show you exactly exactly it's it's how are you doing on time you guys do you have something else coming up in a little

bit or how you feeling? I'm good. I'm good. Okay, then let me ask you this question. You had spoke to me and told me this incredible story about your father and in driving in the car and this idea of curiosity. But you also let slip that your mother had this affinity to the esoteric where she's doing this thing with the champagne. I can't help get that out of my mind that on some level, maybe your esoteric roots were sort of tied to some of the things your mom did. Maybe you could share a story that I would love to hear it. Oh, like my, my mom and is a theric. No, no, that's like, that's a very pagan ritual, you know. But a ritual nonetheless. My mom would be more religious, you know, she's really, she's really the church first and she goes to church and, but it's like,

you'd say it's very funny, you know, the way she's like, she's, she's, she's nitpicking, you know, this I believe this no and she's kind of like you know she's finding her journey um you know what's what's what's incredible about my mother for sure is that she believes in miracles and that's like that's what i think i inherited from her uh so my father is super curious uh and um that's like that side of the spectrum my mom he is she is she's not that curious but she really believes in miracles she believes in miracles like it's a bit another extreme because she completely gives her power away to something external kind of like she think responsibility for everything that is happening to her to the god to the you know to the chance

to the government you know all those things so like but she truly believes in miracles she she's in her 60s right she's still like a young child you see you see her she's like she's she's she's tiny and like very active and she's like oh oh she has so much energy and for me it's like sometimes hard because i visit her once a year right and it's like it takes me a few days to adjust because she has so much energy she's like she has more energy than i do and um and uh she she always like she always believes you know like oh like you know like you know like you know like like you do it like this and and then you know like this something happens you know they're like the gods of this will come and she's like constantly she's like oh i will go to the church and i will i will

like you know write down that note and then they pray for you and then it and so like he attributes all my successes to that because when i tell her like oh like this happens she said yeah yeah i wrote a note in the church that's why and i'm like yeah sure that's why but uh but but It's like she's learning now to, it is quite impressive, you know, that in her age, she's like, she's listening because she's watching my journey. And she kind of like already grasps. It's like, you're doing something different and it works better than like all these rituals that I do. So kind of like she starts asking and she listens that like, you know, because that's like the major thing that I want for her is to take the power back. Because that's like that's the concept of responsibility.

We always think that like all responsibility is like so difficult. It's like heavy work. Responsibility is just our ability to respond. Nothing else. It's just our ability to respond. And when we're taking responsibility back, that's when the true magic happens. And we can create whatever we want. And just like, you know, pairing curiosity and, you know, this faith into miracles.

and taking the responsibility back, that's pretty much me. So my father, my mother, and that's here, like, here is the result, you know, on the sum of these two things. Because, yeah, I've been, like, I've been in both, you know. I've been, like, first, like, super curious, but not taking any responsibility, not believing in anything, blah, just, like, all over. Then I've been, you know, shifting also, you know, like, all this esoteric thing. that was the big, big part of my life.

Like, yeah, like, you know, something will happen. And then when I kind of, like, blended it all, when I have a faith to universe, when I'm curious and I'm taking my full power back to myself and taking full responsibility for whatever is happening, that's, you know, like, that's what it's all starts, so shit. When you look back on all these things that have happened, And I'm coming up on almost 50 years old.

And when I look back at all these things that happened in my life, I can't help but see them as necessary. Like all of these things that happened are like a recipe. Like these were the things that I had to go through in order to get to the realizations that I have to. And that helps me, you know, being able to have some lived experience and look back on some of these events helps me with the momentum to move forward.

Because now I do have this faith. I do have this trust. us and, you know, I trust that I don't know and it's none of my business to know because I can't know, you know, and it kind of helps me release some of the trapping yourself in the future. But how do you, what is what is the lens through which you look back that helps you propel yourself into the future? Oh, like, when I look back, I can see that every single thing was for a reason. Yeah.

Every single thing. Even like what we think like were at that, at that time, if that was the end, that was the end, I was like, I was thinking just like, I had few moments in my life when I would just lay for weeks and weeks in my bed and just wait to die. That's it. Like, I will not survive for this. I just want to die. But in what I'm looking back, it's like everything was for a reason.

Yeah. It's incredible, incredible how, you know, all this puzzle kind of comes together. And it's so interesting, you know, I was saying that like last year was kind of like the closing of the 20 year loop for me. Okay. When I started like 20 years, like was my journey. And I kind of like went through all this loop. when I drifted very, very far away from myself, you know, like shredding layers, layers of experience, knowledge, you know, wisdom, all that, like, like, you know, covering myself up. Yeah.

And then, and then kind of like, so I did like that half a turn. And then like another half a turn was like shredding those layers. Okay. Like getting back to the core. Right. And I kind of like, it felt exactly like. And it's like it's funny because it's, it all started in Paris. when I was studying in Paris.

And this summer I traveled back to Paris after 20 years. Like we haven't been there, like 20 years. And I came back and I visited the apartment that I leave, you know, the university street, like all that. So I went for that journey. And it felt like, you know, like, okay, I went on this journey drifting away from myself and then coming back to myself with all that wisdoms that I have gathered. it on the way and that's kind of like boom I am complete that's the feeling I got you know the last year that was like I am complete I am in the right place all that that experience I remember when I started you know the coffee even like I had my

friend she was like oh but why you're doing that like you can't really monetize it like what are you going to do with it it's like it's like it's so intense because it's intense and the expensive studies now like I Like knowing my life path, it will fit somewhere. And then I have this idea of like being to being like boom. You know, it comes together. So it's like nothing like it's like nothing goes unnoticed. Everything is for the reason, every single interest, every single book that you read,

every single person we made, everything will find its place. So with that knowledge, you know, it's so much easier to leave. To be honest, because now when something happens, I don't stress. I think, yeah, I can be, I can be upset, of course. I'm a human. I have my emotions. But I'm not stressed, you know. Like, I'm not going to be laying and dying.

Or like, you know, I'll be like, yeah, okay, that's unfortunate. That's not how I wanted. But like, I'm curious to know, you know, how it will turn out. Right. Because that's always, if something goes not like. like I plan and what we perceive negative, you know, in our human society. I will be always curious, I wonder,

because that can only mean that something is better planned for me. There is only one way. It can't be that like, oh, the universe now wants to, you know, give me some negative experience. No, that doesn't work. Like I know I lived more than 40 years. I know that experience, like, Universe doesn't work that way, right?

So I already have that knowledge. So I'm like, ah, interesting. Something is better coming up. What can be coming up? Because there is no way I can imagine. It's like, you know, when I was one of my works, I remember like I was so, I was so frustrated. And I was like so, like a few years back,

I was working for a digital bank. And I was like so frustrated. And I felt that it's like, it's not serving me and I don't serve them anymore and I want to get out and I want to I just want to paint you know like and be artists for like a year and travel and just like whatever and I was like so frustrated and I remember I was saying oh okay like how can like how can I like how can I do it and like okay I'll just work for another like six months I just need six months of the salary so like I'll just create that buffer and then I promise once I get that buffer I'll leave that job and I will start

painting and one week after one week I'm being called to a CEO and he's like um we decided to let you go because like it's been toxic it's like definitely been toxic for like both of us we have we had a lot of tension he's like we decided to let you go but we're giving you six months parachute it's like we're sending you on the gardening leave for six months it's not in my agreement and this is not a practice in you iE it's just not practiced in ua you know nobody like when I told to my friends I like there is no garden leave and you I'm like yeah but like I manifested it you know I was like I would never even imagine that things like this possible because it's not in my contract that's not the common practice for businesses here how I like you know

but I knew for sure that I want the six months and the universe like yeah okay you wanted to work for six months let me get you fired like in a week's time but you get all those six months of salary. That was an option? Wow. That's better than I wanted. That's way better. So in those six months,

I traveled the world. I traveled to, I think six countries I've been to. I did my personal exhibition. So I started painting. I kept my promise. So I painted. I did my personal exhibition.

I sold quite a few paintings. I made a name as an artist. So like I'm still being invited to all the exhibitions and people still like, oh, like, when is your next exhibition? Look, I did all that. And like then I was fresh and, you know, ready to tackle another challenge. But I would never come up with things like that. It's impossible. But when I was telling interviews, they're like, it's impossible. That's that that's that's not possible. Yeah, it is possible. So, you know, like, and like, and I could have been like super upset that like I lost my job, you know, before. or I planned it and whatever. I was like super grateful. Like yeah, let's embrace it.

See what's happening. And that's how I look at my life. It's always for the best, always. It's beautiful. I've learned, and I hope that people listening to this can take some wisdom from that story. And it seems to me that when something doesn't work out for you,

for anybody listening to this, it's because you're thinking too small. Like, it's not, it's too small. You know why it failed? Because it's not good enough for you. It's not big enough for you. Dream bigger.

Every time you run into a wall, you should hear the sound, dream bigger. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. That is so accurate because we're just like, we're so, you know, in our boxes. Yeah. And we try to leave our future from our head. But our head only no solutions that it had, already experienced. Our head, our brain is not capable of coming up with something new, something out of the box. To do that, we have to tap into our heart. We just have to connect

with our true being because our soul has lived, you know, thousands and thousands of life. Our soul has a real experience. Our body and the brain in this body is so limited. It's limited only to this lifetime. And it's like, no, we can't figure it out. So sometimes it's like it's much better to be in that state that would allow you to figure it out and like through your heart, through your real experience,

then, you know, just confining yourself to this little box called head because that's not serving us at all. It's really not. It's really not. Jenna, I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this conversation. I mean, I can try to, but I don't think I could express it. This is really, really fun. And I wasn't sure that we were going to be able to have more fun in this conversation than our last conversation.

But there's the old adage of more cups of tea, or maybe we should use more cups of coffee for this particular one. But it seems that the more cups of coffee we have, the better the conversation. I'm truly grateful for this conversation. I'm looking forward to more cups of coffee. But before I let you go, where can people find you? What do you have coming up and what are you excited about? Okay, thank you. Well, I am, people can find me on Instagram.

That's the easiest way to connect with me. It's Jana dot Bintubing. Super easy to find me. I'm there. I actually answer all my messages. So always happy to speak with people and like learn their stories. I have a website, Bintubing.com. So you can find me there.

You can also send me email there easy. This year the book will be coming up. So the book called Seep Brief Drive, which is about coffee mindfulness, awareness, and coaching. So this year I'm opening, I'm taking clients in finally. A lot of people have been waiting for that. I'm taking clients in for coaching, for mentorship. So I'm shifting full time in it and I'm just creating a lot of space for everyone who wants to, you know, get this part of energy from me. I'm ready to share with everyone.

So yes, that's probably the easiest ways to find. Of course, I'm on LinkedIn on Facebook, but like these are not the means that I use daily. So, yeah, Instagram or just, you know, email me. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're watching this, go down to the show notes, check out the website, reach out to Janet. She's an incredible individual who has a very unique way of helping people listen to their own heart or helping people listen to the world as trying to talk to them. And it's wonderful. And I've experienced it here and I think anybody to listen to this will too. So if you're listening, hang on briefly afterwards, I'd like to speak to you just briefly afterwards.

But to everybody that's listening or watching this, thank you so much for hanging out. I hope you have a wonderful day. and that's all we got. Aloha. Thank you so much. Aloha.