TrueLife - Jessica - Addiction Took Everything, Now She is fighting Back

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

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Hope the wind is at your back. I got an incredible show with an incredible guest for you today. Ladies and gentlemen, Jessica is not just a name. She is the signal flare in the night, one of the first brave souls to walk the path of the feet journey. A radical nine-month odyssey designed to free the human spirit from the grip of addiction. Offered by Awake.net, this healing passage weaves together deep preparation, a medically supervised eyeball-gained treatment,

overseas and the most crucial peace so often overlooked long-term aftercare and integration. Addiction is a thief that moves in silence. It steals time, love, potential, and presence. But Ibogain, a sacred plant medicine revered by generations is a force of nature, capable of interrupting addiction in a single journey. It is not a cure-all, but it is a door, one that swings open with courage. Most will never know. And Jessica, she isn't just knocking on the She's already stepped through it. Every feat candidate must make the first move toward their own transformation by contributing 2,000 of their own money. It's not charity.

This is partnership in the sacred. Jessica has already sown her own seeds of healing, placing her faith, her resources, and her future on the line. But the full cost of treatment is still out of reach. Ibulgain is not available in the United States and therefore not covered by insurance. And so the bridge to healing remains unfinished unless we help her build it. Awake.net's mission, 10,000 rebirths is a clarion call to humanity, to end addiction, one eyeball gain treatment at a time. Your donation is not just money. It is oxygen to a drowning soul. It is light to someone lost in the dark. It is a lifeline wrapped in love and action. Every dollar you

give is 100% tax deductible, but more importantly, every dollar is a vote, not just for Jessica's freedom, but for a world where we rise together, where we remember. that pain shared is pain halved and healing shared is healing multiplied she's done her part now it's our turn give generously give boldly and let this be your rebirth too jessica slayton thank you so much for being here today how are you i'm doing great thank you so much for having me i don't think i could have explained any of that better myself well you've been on an incredible journey and i'm so stoked to talk to you today you know you and i got to talk a little bit briefly in Denver at the psychedelic science iboga saves conference out there yeah i was i was really moved by everything all the cool speakers there and just learning about ibo gain and it's been an

incredible journey yeah a lot of good information yeah absolutely when did let me let me just start with with ibo gain jessica what for those that know about ibo gain and its healing powers we're aware of it, but maybe you could talk a little bit about what brought you to Ivo game. Yeah, so I, excuse me, I believe I was on TikTok, I think, actually, and I was just scrolling through stuff, and I saw a video about Ive game and how it, you know, resets, you know, all your dopamine, serotonin receptors, and how it kind of rewires your brain and sets up new neural pathways. and in the past other treatment options that I'd tried, like, you know, Suboxin, methadone,

it not only was it just substituting one drug for another, but it never fixed that, you know, that depletion of all those, you know, chemicals in our brain. So when I heard about this, I was like, oh, my God, it's like exactly the key that's been missing. And I did more research into it, and the more research I did, I was just like, it just fell in love with it more and more. But I found out, then I found out how expensive it was. And I was like, I got to figure something out because this is like the key, you know. And luckily I found Lakshmi and her amazing program that she's just starting. So I think it was the second one to sign up. The first person didn't really follow through. So I'm now the first person going through with it. So

couldn't be more stoked. Yeah, me too. You know, It's such a broad term when we think about healing and addiction. And I just kind of wanted to start maybe at the beginning. Like, what does healing mean to you? Not just as an idea, but as something you've felt. Like, what does healing mean? Well, ooh. I mean, there's all different kinds of healing, you know, physically, mentally, spiritually.

For me personally, healing would be healing my mind. You know, like I said, those, you know, neurodial. transmitters and all that. But the other beautiful thing, excuse me, I can't talk today. The other beautiful thing about Ibegain is the hallucinogenic part of it makes you dive into your subconscious more so than other hallucinogens do. So you really kind of heal the core, you know, get at the core of your, you know, whether it's PTSD, whether it's addiction, you know, you really get at the core issues. So not only does Ibegain heal, you know, your brain and just kind of reset you back to what it was before you ever did.

but it also heals the soul part of it, you know, where you really get deep down. Because I'm like a really intellectual person, you know, my mom's a psychologist. So I can always like, therapies myself, but I'm really interested to see what my soul, you know, has to say. Yeah, I think it's a critical point. So often we deal with symptoms. Like so often it's like, okay, if we can cure this symptom, then you'll be better. But the truth is, like, you have to cure your soul. Like, you have to have that spiritual component and that.

real understanding of like why, like what is going on and moving forward there. Yeah. If you don't fix that, then it's not going to be fixed. Yeah. And it seems like so much of the modern medical system treats symptoms instead of treating like the real underlying causes of it, which. Don't get you started on the current medical system. Have you been through like lots of other treatments before and like how to, how to, history with the medical system? Yeah, I've been through several treatment centers, and I feel like,

you know, A, they just, like I said, kind of replace one addiction for, you know, one for another, so you're still physically dependent on something from the pharmacy, which I'm sure they, is part of their goal. But also, you know, the 12-step program, it's a great program. I'm not knocking it by any means it saves so many people's lives but at the same time i believe that you know everybody's different and you can't shove everybody through this one you know you can't you know we're all different shapes and sizes and you can't try to fit everybody through a one round hole you know what i mean and um and you know it's i think it's kind of horrible to tell people that if they don't do it that way that they never have a chance and you know that's the only way you know but

Um, yeah, so that's kind of been my, my take from the traditional, you know, rehab systems. And don't get me wrong. I'm not, I'm not saying that they don't help, you know, probably millions of people, you know, and save millions of lives. But you just, you can't, everybody's different. You know, not everybody is going to, you know, that that system isn't going to work for everybody. Yeah, it's so well said. And it, both you and I have talked to so many people that have been through that. system and you had mentioned that sometimes it's treating one addiction for another addiction right it's interesting to think about it from that aspect whether they're addicted to the suboxin whether they're addicted to meetings you know whether it's it's something you know always trying to fill the hole yeah it's so true well can you tell us a can you tell us about the moment you knew something had to change Hmm, the moment, maybe something had to change.

So I had, I guess it's about a year ago now, I had lost a job, and I decided to try to withdraw, you know, withdrawal, you know, from opiates, you know, on my own. And I had some Suboxin and the lady that I talked to didn't give me the right advice. and I wound up going into precipitated withdraws and it was just a horrible experience. I just basically went right back, you know, to using again. And like, and then, but around that time, I'm just like, you know, not so much do. I want to get my life back. I want to get a life, you know, because I've been doing that so long. I feel like I haven't even started, you know, my life, my own life, you know.

and some time passed, you know, and then I found out about the Ivy Game thing, and I was like, this is it, you know, and this is the first time in my entire life ever, ever, ever, ever that I, on my own free will without any, you know, pushing or, you know, consequences if I don't, you know, have chosen and sought out, you know, treatment for myself. Yeah. First off, that's congratulations on that. That's super awesome. I think so much of the healing comes from like the seeking you know i think so much of the healing your own soul or finding the true path to becoming the best version of yourself comes from that seeking like you have to hit like a certain point where you're like you know what this is it this is the this is the milestone i'm going

through it's interesting to to get to that point and i think it's necessary do you think it's necessary like the whole seeking part of it the whole seeking as far as seeking as as like finding ibo-gain, finding Lakshmi, going through all the trials and tribulations, like going through the Suboxin, like, this doesn't work, or having some medical professionals give you like a label and telling you this or that, like going through that whole process is something that's necessary to be where you are now. For myself, yeah. I mean, because, you know, and again, everybody's different, but, you know, for me, for me, I, you know, I had to try all the other ways and, you know,

realized that it didn't work for me. And I'm a firm believer in everything happening for a reason, you know. Things happen, you know, when they're supposed to happen, not when we want them to happen. So I feel like I had to go through all those things to, you know, learn different lessons and, you know, figure out what was right, you know, for me. And maybe it wasn't the time, you know, for me to do abigine back then, you know. And I feel like now I'm in a place where it's, I'm just so grateful. Yeah, absolutely. What, you know, a lot of people, I think they misunderstand addiction for weakness.

But I think it takes incredible strength to survive it. What's something about your journey that people wouldn't expect? Um, well, I, uh, so, first of all, the weakness and strength thing, um, I, I can see it from both sides because, you know, in a sense, it is, you know, an inability to say no to something that, you know, you shouldn't be doing. But at the same sense, the strength that some addicts, you know, have to go through what they go through, you know, it's, you know, it's, you know, it's. It's both, you know. So, you know, I don't feel like, you know, they're weak or they're, you know, strength. I feel it's both, you know what I mean? And as far as me and my story, so I was in a car accident when I was 16 and I broke both

my legs, my jaw, you know, messed my back up pretty good. And that was around the time that the whole pill mill in Florida thing was happening. So I just, you know, had been on some. form of opiates ever since and um i used to use that as an excuse you know what i mean like i'm in pain you know i can't handle it without it you know and um i finally got you know past that and realize that you know i was just using it as an excuse and you know um it's time to fix the real problem yeah how long have you been i'm sorry go ahead no no i was just going to say another thing that you wouldn't, I guess you could say that you wouldn't expect is that I, you know, I'm a very high functioning addict.

You know, I've always worked, always held down jobs, you know, but at the same time, I've been through, you know, spouts of homelessness. And, you know, you can grow up in a good family, you know, and have, you know, great childhood and still go through these things. and but bounce back. Yeah. It's interesting to think about all the trials and tribulations. You know, I know that the internal dialogue, sometimes for me, like the internal dialogue I have is so rough on myself. You go through these phases where like you just say all these things about yourself

and pretty soon you start living that life. You know, you ruin relationships sometimes because of like your inner self-dialialogue. Well, can you tell us a little bit about like, is that something that happens to you? Like, do you have like an inner dialogue that maybe is a little bit too rough on yourself? Or what's your inner dialogue like? Sure. So another thing, a part that I just realized I left out of my, of the story a little earlier, was when I went, when I tried to detox myself, you know, and then went through precipitated withdrawals, right after that, I had this kind of like, you know, like a really. You know, I just, you know, because majority of my life, I had been like majorly depressed, like suicidal, you know, just not suicidal, but just didn't want to be here, you know, very depressed most of my life.

And after the precipitated withdrawal thing, I was just watching some show. It's called, I, I, I survived beyond and back. And it's about people that died and, you know, come back from, like, you know, that. And it just made me go on this. search of, you know, what is reality and, you know, what's it made of and what's the point? And, you know, I kind of went down that rabbit hole. And ever since I, you know, realized, you know, how what this reality is and how it works and I haven't been depressed at all since. And, you know, any inner dialogue, like when I get frustrated with something or I don't know what to do, I just, like, kind of try to step outside of myself and look down on yourself and say, what did would you give that person, you know? I love that. It's like the inner observer.

Like when you can see yourself and like a third person, it takes away so much of like the shame or the guilt or all these things that we use to beat ourselves up in so many ways. What about like the spirituality component, Jessica? When I hear about Ivogaine, and I've never done it, but I hear so many people talk about this spiritual component. Maybe we can start with like, do you have a background in spirituality? or were you raised a certain way?

Or what's your relationship with spirituality? I wasn't raised a certain way. Both my parents were just kind of didn't go to church. I think my mom was a Buddhist for a little bit. But, you know, I have some general, like, you know, I believe that, you know, I had some general when I was younger, you know, like energy's never created or destroyed. So I know we go somewhere after we die.

But that was about it. And, but since I, you know, did my dive into the rabbit hole of, you know, what reality is and what it's made of, I've realized that, you know, there, there isn't like God or whatever you want to call it, you know, source, all that is, you know, it's not something out there. You know what I mean? It's us. It's this table. It's this microphone. It's displayed. grass it's a you know it's called source and all that is because it literally is all that is we you know

are you know made from you know we are god you know everything is there's nothing else to be made from so um it's really opened up my spirituality in that sense you know that i've realized that you know we're all source you know yeah it's a great point like addiction is such an interesting word. Like when I say the word addiction to you, what do you think of? Oh, God, this is probably pretty crude, but I think of a literal picture, you know, the far side gallery, like addiction, you know. But addiction to me, I guess, for me personally, it's just been the chemical dependency part of it, you know, just not just being able to wake up in the morning and, you know, you feel, you feel okay, you know. It's just a constant, you know, constant needing of, you know, chemicals to, you know, make yourself feel just okay.

And it's not a life, you know, it's not a life. Yeah. It's all around us addiction. Like, people are addicted to money. We're addicted to. Oh, that too. Right. Right.

It's everywhere. I see it in business, too. Like, if you go, if you want to buy a printer, you buy a printer. And then you're addicted to like the ink. You know, in some ways, like we have taken addiction and turned it into like a business model and turn it into a sales model. It's so crazy to me. It's in its designed that way. It truly is.

And that's, it's, it's crazy. They, like I said, don't get me started down that rabbit hole. Yeah. To a certain point, it's not, you know, everybody's fault like 100% because we've just been. raised, you know, to, we've just been raised in this environment where, you know, everything is like, you know, pre-programmed to like, you know, be habit forming and. Yeah. So. Yeah. Are you still, like, what do you, what do you use now? Do you still use certain chemicals now? Yes. So I, I don't even want to say opiates anymore because they're really not everything is fentanyl now everything is so um

fentanyl i kind of switched from you know the pain medicine when i was younger and then they stopped you know they stopped having all the doctors prescribing it so everything kind of switched into fentanyl so now that that's what everybody including myself you know is is dependent on and um also uh math and I've never been a huge upper, you know, kind of person, but I just started doing it and for energy, basically, you know, to work jobs and this and that. And then after doing that for not very long, you wake up in the morning and you don't have it and you literally can't get out of bed, you know. So it kind of grew into something where it's like you just can't, you can't function without it. also so yeah how how do you source it like it seems like it's pretty pretty tricky to source or whatever like how do you how do you get it um just from people you know i grew up in this area so i've been here a long

time and um yeah you just meet you know just get introduced to new people and hopefully they're not giving you garbage that you're spending hundreds of dollars on but you know it's Right. It's very, it's stressful, just, you know, trying to make sure that you have what you need, not to be, you know, deathly sick. Yeah. Yeah. Is it, it seems like that would take up a large part of just getting your day started

or getting through your day. At some point in time, the addiction becomes like a life serving. Like you have to find it. You got to source it. You got to get you got to get the money to get it. It seems like it would take a large part of the day or a large part of your cognitive ability just to get it. Right. And a lot of people have to do that for sure.

I've been fortunate that, like I said, I've always had a job so I can kind of get larger amounts at a time. And then I don't have to worry about it for a couple of days. But most people, yes, you know, spend their day, you know, just figuring out how, you know, how they're going to do whatever they're going to do, you know. But luckily I've said, you know, I've been lucky enough to be a hard worker the whole life. So I've, you know, always had a paycheck coming in. But of course, every single send to that goes towards, you know, towards not being sick and feeding the addiction.

Yeah. Yeah. It's mind-blowing sometimes. Like I looked at how much I made, you know, last year. and realizing how much of that just went to, you know, right down the train. It's pretty shocking. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to see it from that angle. What about relationships, Jessica?

It seems like it would be hard to maintain relationships with people you love. It definitely has taken a toll, you know, on, you know, on family, you know, of course. And for the longest time, I, you know, they didn't know that I was using anymore. And then I, it was just a lot of, you know, lying about using or, you know, and since this last time when I went through the precipitated withdraws and all that and found out about that I began, it's the first time that I've really been honest with my family, you know, about, you know, that, you know, I am using and, you know, it's just because I physically, you know, I can't, you know, can't stop. And, um, but I found a solution. Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt.

It's the solution, I think is, it's amazing. What, have you spent, have you spent some time thinking about what it will be like? Like, what is Jessica going to be like when she's not addicted. Um, yeah. I can, I mean, I can picture myself, like, I definitely want a career of some sort because I've, um, since I was 13, I've always worked in restaurants and don't get me wrong. I love it. But it's not a career. You know, it's not, it's not, it's not, you're not going to get any kind of, you know, pension or salary pay or, you know, anything like that from working at restaurants. So, And I really, I really enjoy helping people. I love psychology.

I love helping people. So I really want to maybe, you know, possibly go back to school and, you know, figure out a way to combine those, you know, interests and make a career for myself and help other people at the same time. Yeah, I think you'd be great at it. You know, one thing about people that have dealt with addiction or have family, members that deal with addiction, but primarily someone, I think, who is in addiction. I think that they're forced to see the world in a way that most people don't.

And like, that's where on some level, I think it's heroic to go through this process. You have seen and faced things that most people never will. Just battling with addiction forces you to really dig down deep and see the world as it is instead of the way you want it to be on some level. I think it gives you a unique perspective. Most people, they don't have to deal with the very difficult thing that is addiction on some level. What do you think addiction has taught you that maybe most people have never been through? Let me see that most people have never been through.

I think the biggest thing that I would say is that just because people use, it doesn't mean that they're, a lost cause or not a very intelligent, you know, person themselves. I think, you know, people see an addict and they think of just like this, you know, homeless person, you know, boring themselves out, you know. And it's some of the people that I've met, you know, through, you know, addiction that have been some of the greatest people I've ever met, you know. granted, of course, there are the other type, but, you know, I would say just don't group everybody into one, you know, box. And hopefully here soon, we'll have more options available for treatment

that will help, you know, everybody, you know, and not just, you know, the people that fit through that 12-step, you know, suboxone. Yeah. Yeah. I think the labels sometimes, Jessica, like people labeling you an addict or labeling you this like there's so much stigma that comes with it and then if you go into the medical system you're given this label and sometimes those labels can be just as debilitating as the drug itself like oh you're an addict and once people once you start thinking that it becomes very difficult for you to see yourself in another way do you ever get the feeling like the label that's put on you as an addict stifles you from moving forward oh well yeah to to a certain degree to a for a fairly large degree.

Yeah. Especially like if, like I went to have a procedure done a little while ago, get like some teeth pulled. And the doctor gave me a prescription for, you know, like Tylenol number three or something like that. And I went to the pharmacy to get it filled. And they were like, oh, we see that you take buprenorphine, which is Suboxin in the past. so we can't give you this medicine. You know, it's like they're labeling you an addicts and they won't, you know,

give you medicine that you need at that time, you know. Yeah. That's just one example. Yeah, it's almost like once you're in the system this way, you're kind of almost trapped from getting out of it. Right, right. Absolutely. Stigmatized to the next, right?

Yeah, without a doubt, without a doubt that the words we use sometimes, I think can be so debilitating in, in getting better and finding a path forward. Right. Yeah. They tell, you know, in AA and NA, they tell yourself, you know, you are an addict. You'll always be an addict. And that's how you're supposed to address yourself, you know, in the meeting.

Hi, my name is this and that. I'm an addict. It's like, I feel like if you're not, especially if you're not using anymore, you know, why would you continue to call yourself? It's like a mentality, you know, words have power, you know. And they, you know, constantly telling yourself that and telling other people that it's just doing nothing but perpetuating it. And, yeah, it's not the right way, though, about it. Yeah.

Like, that's the problem I think so many people have with the medical system. And don't get me wrong. Like you said, there's some great professionals out there. They really want to help. But the system itself, it seems to me, traps people in addiction. They work. Yeah. They want you to be addicted to their, you know,

suboxin medication and methadone medication so that they can make money off of it and that's the sad truth you know yeah and poor doctors you know poor doctors they're trying to help but you know most of what they've been taught is you know from a medical program a medical you know um curriculum that was rewritten by you know i think it was j p morgan once he found out that they could make petroleum-based medications. He, you know, rewrote the whole, you know, medical, um, medical schooling textbooks. And it's, they just want you on their, you know, petroleum-based medicines, you know, and it's instead of actually, you know, looking into what would, what would actually help people, you know. Yeah, that's one thing I really love about the FIT program that you're in right now and these other

programs that are out there is like instead of coming in as like a patient or an addict or someone with a syndrome you're coming in as a human being you're like hey here i am as a human being and instead of it being an end it's sort of a rebirth it's sort of a right of passage like okay like you've made it you've you've you've crawled through the fires you're crawling your blood of you're scarred but you're here right now and it's like okay like congratulations you made it like that seems so much more to me than this old adage of you're this or this or you're that what do you think it absolutely is and that's just one of you know the many many many many things that I love about lachma and what she's doing and the whole thing it's just she's she's really an amazing person and what she's put

together I think you know when once it gets out there and we get more people you know doing it that it you know it could save so many people yeah in a positive in a positive non-judgmental, you know, non-labeling way. Yeah. Again, with the judgments in the language, like, it's so difficult to get out of a box where people put you in. When you come in, even when you see a doctor sometimes, like, you're the patient, and there's this authority figure over you. It can be so, like, overwhelming.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah, it's, it's, it just, just being trapped in that system, it seems like there's no way out sometimes. But, you know, you and I have been talking a little bit about ibogaine. What, what do you, what do you think is going to happen during the ibogaine treatment? I'm like, you've done all the research on it. Excuse me, you've talked to practitioners, you've talked to other people that have been through ibogaine. What do you think happens during an ibogaine treatment?

So, from my understanding is, um, they, um, um, they, uh, The first week, I, the first week, they switch you from, because you can't have fentanyl in your system, you know, when you take the ibogames. So for the first week you're there, I'll be detoxing. They switch you over to like a medical grade morphine, which is, you know, safer. And then they wean you down from that, you know, over the week just to get all the fentanyl out of your system and, you know, get you down on the lowest amount of. you know, the morphine possible. And then they start with the Ibegain. And there's some places that do the Ibegain in like one or two big flood doses,

which I think, in just my personal opinion, I think is more helpful for people that are doing it for like PTSD related issues. You know what I mean? But I feel like people that are doing it for addiction issues, there's a, there's a way where they kind of slowly build it up in your system, like give you a larger dose one day and then a cool down, excuse me, a large dose one day and then a cool down day and then like a medium dose the next day, a cool down day, and then a larger dose again the next day. It kind of builds it up in your system a little bit more. And so that it'll not only the, I think it builds it up in your system so that the, um, the effects of, you know, the no cravings and, you know, all that will last longer once you leave. And I think that's the best way to go for people that are going there for addiction, you know, issues. Yeah. I agree. I was talking to a friend of ours, Andrews Beattie.

Yes, Anders is great. Yeah, he's such a cool guy. Who are you going to go to see and do Ibo gain with? I chose a place called Enzelmo. and it's i can't remember the name of the town it's uh it's by um tijuana and um they uh they do the you know kind of slowly build it up in your system thing which i which i really like that idea so it's a great place um thomas um leonner yes thank you thomas leon he's the one that runs it and He's a really great guy as well. You know, there's some really interesting components about IvoGain, and I'm just talking anecdotally here, but from what I have heard, it shows you a lot of the images,

a lot of the situations, a lot of the actual things that have happened and a hallucinate, I might be using it the wrong way, but it actually shows you and you're allowed to revisit the very painful scenes that may have, or may be the underlying cause for addiction. Anders talked about seeing his grandparents and feeling the shame and the guilt. I've spoken to other people who were molested and they got to replay that whole scene in front of them as if it was for real and see it in a way. And that's where the neural plasticity comes in. Yeah. I guess this is kind of a two-part question.

The first part question is, are you ready for that, number one? And the second part is what are the traumatic events that it's going to show you, you think? Um, am I ready for it? Yes, 100%. And I, um, because I think I don't, I think I said earlier, you know, I've always kind of like therapist myself, but I'm so really, I'm really, I'm really interested to see what my subconscious has to say about it, you know? And, um, you know, what was the second part? What do I think I'm going to? What events do you think are going, is going to be showing to you in that? there's a few um some people really close to me uh passed away and um i think that might come up but i'm not sure because i really you know since since i've you know did all my research about how reality works that hasn't really bothered me as much because i know they're around us all the time you know and we can talk to them however we want um so i'm just really again i'm just really curious to see you know

I'm looking forward to figuring out what my subconscious has to say and what my subconscious is going to make me deal with, help me deal with. Yeah, totally. Help and make me deal with. Was there like a certain, can you remember a certain set of events or was there a traumatic event or maybe a bunch of different events that sort of led you to addiction? Was there, I know for me when I was younger, I was molested as a kid. I remember my son died. These were like incredible traumatic events that were very difficult to relive. Were there some events like that for you that led you to addiction or that you can recall?

You know, I, you know, I had a great, you know, great childhood. You know, I always, I guess just kind of had the party, you know, mentality. Wanted to be, you know, the party person. And then the car accident, you know, got, that got me, you know, started on the pain pills. But honestly, most of the traumatic things that have happened to me were as a were results, you know, from. Sorry, we're, you know, resulting from, you know, my addiction. So it wasn't something that happened to me, you know, that traumatic happened to me that started it. You know, I had already started it and then more traumatic things, you know, started happening and, you know, just kind of snowballed.

Yeah. Kind of build on top of each other. And once you start going in that direction, yep. You look back and you're like, oh, man, it's so far away. Yeah. And still people are just this fentanyl is horrible. Narcan doesn't work on it. And so, I mean, my knuckles are raw because I was having to give somebody a sternum rub.

the other night so hard to wake them up, you know, it's just because the Narcan doesn't work on people. So it's really horrible stuff. Well, I don't even know. Like, what is Narcan? Is that like something that supplements the addiction? Or what is it? Yeah. So Narcan is like, it's a, they give them out certain clinics and stuff.

It's like a little nasal spray that, you know, when somebody's overdosing, you just spray it into their nostril. And it's supposed to wake them up. It's supposed to counterbalance, you know, the, you know, counterbalance the opioid receptors in your brain. But again, it doesn't work so well for fentanyl because fentanyl isn't an opioid technically. So, you know, yeah, it works sometimes, but you just, you know, you have to give them like a lot of, you know, like maybe two or three of them. But honestly, you know, for when somebody overdoses, the best thing is, again, the sternum rub, and I hate to say it, but ice on, ice on the head and ice on the private part.

So it always wakes people up. Man, it's, it's an interesting thing. What, how did you, like, that was a friend of yours that you had to give Narcan to? Like, what was it? Oh, it was my friend's boyfriend. Yeah. Mm. Yeah.

He doesn't really, excuse me, he doesn't do it that often at all. So he just took one hit and he was out. Oh, wow. Yeah. But luckily, me and her and I, you know, we knew, know exactly what to do. So we, you know, got him up and not too long. But still get your heart racing for a little bit. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. What an intense situation that must have been. Well, he made it. He's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Aside from his chest and my knuckles being a little raw, we're both okay. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it would be not only, obviously, it would be incredible to go through Ivo game and come out the other side, but I think it would also be really inspiring for, like, your friend and your friend's boyfriend to see the path that you've taken. Yeah. Even the friends that I have that use, they're like extremely happy for me, you know. And they are just, they're fascinated by it. They're like, well, how can I get in this scholarship program? You know, what can I do?

So hopefully it will get, you know, a lot more people on board. Yeah, it's interesting to think how much we are the medicine. Like getting like the path that you're on right now becomes the light for other people. Like, oh my God, you see Jessica? She used to be here hanging out with us, but look at her now. Now she's back in school. Now she's got the career. That's an incredible pathway that I think not enough people talk about is the inspiration

that you can become for other people. Like now you become a guide. You become the person that people look up to. And then you become the person that can help them. Right. And I've told, Doxh, anything I can do to help get this out there, you know, to be the, you know, make me the poster child, whatever, you know, just, you know, whatever will help to get more

more people aware of it and you know spread the message yeah so it's from what i've heard about ibo game it has an incredible rate of success i think like 88% um non-resciveness i believe oh 89 it's up there i don't quote me on that but it is up there what's the aftercare look like a lot of people are under the impression i think falsely that you just do it once and you're better forever But I think there's aftercare involved, too. There's like integration and stuff like that. Maybe you could tell us a little bit what that looks like. Correct.

Sure. So I think I said earlier, so for people that are doing it for PTSD, I think that's more of the like one flood dose, possibly two, you know, if you need it. But as far as for the addiction, addiction goes, there's not only, you know, a post-treatment, but there's a pre-treatment set up. And that's why I was talking speaking with Anders. he gets you kind of set up to like what what do you want to get out of it, you know, what do you want to focus on, you know, what he, so he sets you up for the pre, you know,

treatment part of it. Then you go in and like I said, they switch you over, you know, to the medical grade, you know, morphine to get you off the fentanyl. And then, like I said, you know, a buildup in the system of, you know, bigger doses than smaller doses, a couple days of bigger doses. and smaller doses. And then after that, Lakshmi has a great post-treatment program. And I think it's about nine months altogether, you know, that you're getting.

And she's, you know, she's got Zoom meetings that we go to each week and just, you know, all kinds of support and, you know, a plan has set up, you know, for every step of the way, you know, before you go during and then what afterwards. So they really expect you out. Yeah. It seems to me like the cravings, the trigger. Yeah, go ahead. No, sorry.

I just, I forgot. Also, when necessary, they'll send you home with like a, well, they'll send you home with like a maybe like a small dose or two for like when that three month mark hits because, you know, it's the, I'm again supposed to stay in your system for around three months. So if you need it, they'll send you home with like, you know, a little small dose, you know, for when that three month mark hits so that, you know, the cravings don't just come flushing back, you know, flushing back and all that. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, we were talking to Dr. Deborah Mash, who you got to talk to at Iboga Saves. And they were talking about the, the microdosing afterwards on some level.

I guess it really helps to alleviate not only the craving. things, but some of the emotional triggers or the situational triggers they can rise up afterwards. Sure. And, you know, it's, you just, your brain, you know, the neuro pathways, they're used to going a certain way, you know, and you're just retraining them and retraining them to not, you know, to not go back to the old, you know, old patterns. Yeah. Yeah, the word rebirth comes to mind for me. You know, it's it's those new neural pathways.

It's that relearning and that new stuff. When I say rebirth, what do you think about? I think that's a great way to describe it and rewiring, you know, and resetting it like it was before you were ever addicted to anything. I mean, there's nothing else. Sorry, there's nothing else in the world that we know of yet. that does that. So it's really,

really a miracle plant. Yeah, without a doubt, without a doubt, it's, it's interesting to me to think that the, the, the remedy to pills is a plant. Yeah. It's true.

Yeah. Plant medicine was around way before, you know, the petroleum-based one. So. Jessica, if someone was listening has never struggled with addiction, what would you want them to truly understand about it? Let me see that didn't understand addiction. I would say that it is really hard for somebody who doesn't, who's never been addicted to anything to see it, you know, to understand it, period. But I guess I would say just imagine that, you know, like I was saying earlier, just waking up in the morning and not feeling, you know, okay.

You know, try to try to, I guess, put yourself in their shoes a little bit and just try to have empathy and, you know, not forcing people. Because you can't force people to get treatment. Trust me. it makes them resent it or you know it just doesn't work period but you know just being encouraging not you know not so much enabling you know like giving them money you know whatnot but just encouraging to you know when they might be ready to change you you know you're there for them and yeah just try to you know set boundaries but you know see things from their point of view and yeah I think that's

about coverage it yeah I think something different about the feat program and the program that you're in right now is that you have to raise a large part of your own money and you couldn't even get started unless you raised your own money so like you're putting

yourself out there like you're showing everyone like look I'm doing everything I can to become the best version of myself. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Do you think that that plays a large part in not only getting treatment but helping the treatment work? I do because it holds you accountable, you know?

It shows that, you're not just going to, you know, just going to take advantage of, you know, an amazing opportunity. shows that you're willing to jump through the hoops that you need to jump through, you know, to get this amazing gift, you know. And as Lakshmi likes to say, it puts skin in the game. Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt. And I think it's, I think it's a revolutionary, because I think we can call on people to crowdfund something, to be part of success. Like so often, you know, people will go down and buy like a coffee for five bucks or ten bucks. But why not take that five bucks or that 10 bucks or that 20 bucks or that 100 bucks and put it towards making all of us better?

And I think when one of us gets better, like we all get better, I think that's the way the world gets better. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're all connected. We're all one. And, you know, helping it. My whole life, I've always treated people how I would want to be treated, you know? And that's the key, you know, because when you said it the best, you know, when you're helping somebody else, you are helping yourself.

You know, there's no better feeling in the world than, you know, knowing that you've, you know, made a difference or helped somebody or even just put a smile on their face, you know, it's just as a collective, you know, it makes us all, it raises all of our vibrations and it makes us all better people. Yeah, without a doubt. And I think it goes back to what we were saying earlier too. If someone listening right now can, it has 20 bucks or just has a little bit of money to give to the, to the donation. or the crowdfunding source, which is right up on the right up above. People can see it in the overlay right there. They can go down to the show notes and check it out. It's give.awake.net. Give.wake.net. Give.wake.net.

Ladies and gentlemen, give.awake.net. And not only does it help you, but like we spoke earlier, everybody that you know that might be battling with this, they get to see you go through this program. to see you get better. So every dollar that somebody gives is really a helping to set this program. Yeah, a leg up for everybody else. It's such an important program and I hope everybody within the sound of my voice has the ability just to take a few moments instead of buying a coffee, just give to the donations. It's such a beautiful program and there's

so many incredible people involved in it, yourself included. Are we going to be able to see, like we're talking now before the journey. Are we going to be able to see and monitor the progress after the journey? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I'm willing to, they're also doing a documentary, I believe. So I'm willing to, you know, be involved in that. And yeah, absolutely. You see me before, during, after I told her, whatever I can do to help get this out there and, you know, make it, you know, make it more well-known.

and be the first, you know, positive success story that would, you know, helping as many people as I possibly can, that would just be amazing while helping myself. I mean, it doesn't get any better than that, you know? Yeah, I do. And I love it as a model for all of us to help every one of us. Like I think it's just a more humane and beautiful model that comes without the labels and it comes with a success story and it comes from individuals on the ground floor. or helping all of us to get better.

Like it stops that divide and it gets us all to see each other as, as ourselves in so many ways. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, I, what is it, what would it mean to you to know your healing was made possible by people who simply cared? I mean, I'm just an unbelievable amount of gratitude. to know that there's people out there that, you know, still do care. And I know in this day and age it seems like, well, it seems like, you know, people are caring less and less.

But I think, you know, it's not talked about a lot, but I think people are actually starting to care more and more. And I think that it's just, you know, it's contagious. And I just, I couldn't be more grateful. and to have this opportunity. And I'm usually the one. I'm used to being the one helping everybody else out. And just to ask for help is a little awkward for me.

But it just is just, I can't even put into words how much I appreciate every, every cent, you know, that goes to helping. And, yeah, forever, forever grateful. Yeah, me too. I feel like this is not just a chance to survive, but to begin again. How do you, how do you, Jessica, plan to pay this forward once you've made it through? Well, like I said, you know, the being kind of like, I don't know about poster child, but, you know, helping, you know, Loxmi's program get out there, the 10,000 rebirths. telling, you know, when I come back and, you know,

telling my friends about it, you know, just people that I know. Hopefully it inspires them. The documentary that they're doing, hopefully that inspires people. I just trying to, you know, get the message out there and inspire, you know, as many people as possible that this is an option and that it is out there and that it is possible. Yeah. And that it works. And then it works.

That's a huge part of it. It's a huge part of it. I think we're on the cusp, Jessica, of real changes in society. And I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful to get to see the people on the bottom, on the top that are anywhere in life. Just help, just give a helping hand to everybody out there. It's a really beautiful time we live in. I'm excited for it.

It is. And it's going to get better. Yeah. It is going to get better. Like you're already getting better. You're already taking so many courageous steps into becoming the very best version of yourself. I'm super excited to get to talk to you today. Is there anything else?

Yeah. Is there anything else that we should have covered, that we haven't covered anything else you want to say? I don't know. You covered everything pretty well. I would just say, again, I just cannot express how grateful I am for this amazing opportunity. And I just can't wait to start my life and help other people, you know, get their lives started through this amazing, amazing planet, you know, and this amazing program. Well, I think we're doing it right now. I'm grateful for your, for the conversation today.

I'm thankful for the struggles that you've been through. And beyond all that, I'm grateful for the courage you have to share all your stories and put yourself out there and have the courage to ask for help. and I can't wait to see how the treatment goes and talk to you afterwards. And ladies and gentlemen, awake.net, Jessica, go down if you have. Give. Give.g.wake.net. Yeah. Yes. Give.org.com. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have the ability to help out your gratitude, your financial ability to give can change lives.

And we're here today to be a testament to that. And Jessica, I'm grateful for everything you're doing and Lakshmi, grateful for all the program, the feat program. Give. Dotawake.net. Go check it out. If you have, instead of buying a coffee today, give some money to Jessica and help the world be a little bit better. We need it more than ever. And Ibo Gain is an incredible treatment for people that have been struggling with addiction for such a long time to give them their life back.

And that's really not. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. And I'm looking forward to talking to you afterwards. Yeah. Well, hang on briefly afterwards.

But to everybody within the sound of my voice, thank you so much for today. And one more time, Jessica. One more time, Jessica. What was the site that they go to? It's a give. wake. done it okay ladies and gentlemen that's all we got for today i hope you have a beautiful day hang on briefly afterwards jessica to everybody else thank you so much for your time that's

all we got thank you all right aloha