TrueLife - Jessica Rochester D.DIV. - AYAHUASCA AWAKENING # 7

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/https://www.revdrjessicarochester.com/Rev. Dr. Jessica Rochester is the Madrinha and President of Céu do Montréal, a Santo Daime (Ayahuasca) Church she founded in 1997 in Montréal, Canada.She is a transpersonal counselor, she trained in the work of Dr. Roberto Assagioli and trained with Dr. Stanislav Grof.She worked with Health Canada from 2000 until 2017 to achieve an Section 56 Exemption to import and serve the Santo DaimeSacrament (Ayahuasca).She is an ordained Interfaith Minister with a Doctorate in Divinity.From 1986 to 2018 she has been a workshop leader, teacher, and in private practice.She is the author of Ayahuasca Awakening A Guide to Self-Discovery, Self-Mastery and Self-Care, Volume One and Two.She continues to lecture on consciousness, non-ordinary states of consciousness, self-discovery, spiritual development, health and well-being and personal transformation One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark. fumbling, furious through ruins

maze, lights my war cry born from the blaze. The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. I hope everybody's having a wonderful new year. I hope the day is beautiful and I hope the sun is shining, the birds is singing, and the wind is at your back.

I got an incredible show for you today with the one and only Reverend Dr. Jessica Rochester. She is the Madrina and president of Sue de Montreal, a Santo Dime, Ayahuasca church. She founded in 1997 in Montreal, Canada. She's a transpersonal counselor. She trained in the work of Dr. Roberto Asagioli and trained with Dr. Stanislav Graf. She worked with Health Canada from 2000 until 2017 to achieve an Section 56 exemption to import and serve the Santo Diamy Sacrament. She's an ordained interfaith minister with a doctorate in divinity. From 1986 to 2018, she has been a workshop leader, a teacher, and in private practice.

She's the author of two incredible guidebooks that will change the way in which you have a relationship with reality. They are called the Ayahuasca Awakening, a guide to self-disco awakening. self-mastery and self-care volumes one and two. She continues to lecture on consciousness, non-ordinary states of consciousness, self-discovery, spiritual development, health and well-being, and personal transformation. Dr. Jessica, thank you for being here today.

I hope your new year is going beautiful. How are you? Well, you know, thank you for all your good wishes and all the same back, too. It's always a privilege and a pleasure. It's certainly here. And if you haven't noticed, if I start laughing when you do the introduction,

it's for a few reasons. First of all, it's Rochester. I always forget to correct you. You've given me an Americanization of a very old British name, which is just fine. So it's Rochester. And so that's why I start laughing halfway through the introduction. And I just want to say in case there's new listeners

or will be if people listen on all the other channels that you make these, not just yours and mine, but all these wonderful podcasts that you create with such a wide variety of topics and expertise. And I just want to acknowledge that to you and to the listeners. But, you know, a lot of people who might be listening or might listen in the future might think, oh, well, she's in the dream of the center of the church and la, la, la. And there's all this big conversation going on right now about amphiogen churches and different positions being taken by different people everywhere from the government down to. practitioners. And I just want to say one thing that some people probably you know about me. I was

14 years in my apprenticeship. And, you know, it's just that's the reality. I was 14 years under the mentoring, the guidance, in the educational apprenticeship process. And oh, there's the cat. I say hello. The cat joins us. And, you know, I'm having, you know, I'm having, you I'm having an interesting kind of conversation at various levels about people who are just, you know, very enthusiastic about working with sacred plants and legands are psychedelics and who kind of want to jump start without the mentoring, without the apprenticeship, without the, you know, you and I have wandered around in that conversation a number of times. And isn't it interesting how that conversation,

conversation keeps developing. And it will be so interesting as time unfolds to see if indigenous voices and the wisdom that's been, you know, accumulated over perhaps millennial. And certainly in the Sonsal Daini, it's 100 years since Ministry started the tradition and its roots are in the millennial practice of the Ewascarus. And so some of us get a little alert at what we see and a little concerned and have questions and questions that we feel need to be asked and hopefully that, you know, the conversation will develop in a respectful and not get polarized, not get polarized because that's one of the issues.

Now, I know that's not what we're going to be talking about today, but I just thought I might just put that out there. And I think today, first of all, I want to say thank you because I think we're an anniversary. We've been doing this for a year, once a month, for about a year. Yeah, yeah. Happy anniversary. Yes, happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. We began a journey talking about self-discovery, which has been, you know, a large part of my own personal journey and became part of my private practice and became part of the work.

that I do simply because in trying to find myself and understand myself, others started, I just started naturally integrating what I was learning and what I was learning from elders, what I was learning from academia, what I was learning from science, from colleagues, what my clients were teaching me, what spirit was showing me. You know, it's never just, can't just be one thing. It can't just be in this kind of work, it can't just be only academic. You need the experiential and only be experiential. You do need some academics, you know, and only be the science.

It needs to be the spirituality. And those of us who've been on the camp for a long time know that. I don't respect that. And have great respect for the bridges that can be built between science and spirituality. And that's another conversation that's happening, you know, where people are taking positions on things and hopefully won't polarize. You know, opinions are always good, but we can't take me too seriously. They are just opinions, right?

Right. Okay, so we're going to start talking today about the circle of wholeness. What is the circle of wholeness? Okay, in my books, we began way back when with, you know, about a year ago talking about self-awareness. And then, you know, we were talking about that self-discovery and who am I and why am I here? and what is life about, what's reality about, what are all the things and factors that influence me? Is it just genetics? Is it how mom and dad treated me and family?

No, it's larger than that. It's an environment and it's a culture. Okay, what else is it? Well, maybe astrology plays some small but significant role in the archetypal influences in our life. And maybe, you know, ancestral practices and wisdom and also the bad stuff. on the ancestors, stuck and dribble down in, too, you know. And who was it?

He said that they were amazed in distress to find out a lot of the baggage they were carrying around to not to even be theirs, okay? But it was Uncle Harry's and Grandma Sallies and, you know, they were carrying around energetically. Other people's beliefs and opinions and thoughts and emotions and energies and stuff like that. So who am I? Why am I here?

how do I master myself? Because certainly self-discovery isn't me discovering you, is me understanding myself, so that I actually relate to you in a way that is healing, healthy, and hopeful for both of us and hopefully for all of our connections, you know? And then the practices were told, you know, the foundation of these things, which self-awareness, self-love, self-respect,

and self-responsibility. Without those four things, take any one of them away. It's not so good. Okay. I mean, I just boil it all down to those four things. With those four things in place, I'll say them again, self-awareness, self-love. I don't love myself. It's really hard to love you.

Sorry. Anything that looks like that I have love for you is really probably codependency or pleasing or up to you to get something. So our ability to love others is greatly dependent on our ability to experience love truly in our own heart for ourselves and for nature and for the environment and for the divine and all these important things and self-respect if we don't respect ourselves and others don't respect for us and you know that's a vicious cycle right Self-responsibility, don't take responsibility for yourself, words, actions. Well, try and living your next-door neighbor for something you did. See how well that goes over.

You know, try that in a marriage, okay? It's your fault I did this. Hmm, that's interesting. It's your fault I said this. Mm-mm-mm. You know, I may have added a little gasoline to the fire. Yeah. The fire was burning.

And so now we're going into, you know, we went through talking about self-care and all those different aspects. And then we're talking about something called The Circle of Holness. For those of you who have not read my books, you'll find it in part two, volume two. And what is the Circle of Holness? This little diagram, which I can hold up. Yeah. I've got it open. Tell me when I'm holding it straight.

That's perfect right there. Right there? Yes, that's perfect. Okay, so everyone can have a little look, all the different categories. Good, I can take it down now? Yes, yep. Perfect. Okay.

We begin with nature. You know, this little diagram developed, oh God, 35 years ago now, I think, as I realized that people just did not have a good understanding of, you know, how to get well and how to be well. and that it wasn't, you know, I'm still amazed how many people are going through life looking for the magic fix, the magic pill, the person with the magic wand. You know what I mean by that. There's some magical person that's going to come along

that's going to have the right answer, the right pill, the right fix, the right something. Now, I am not at all discounting all of the wonderful professionals out there who have great experience, great training, great tools, whether it's body workers or physiotherapy, or medical doctors or psychologists or whoever and who really sincerely bring good effort into their practices and do a lot to help people. But that's not the only thing that brings well less.

We ultimately, we have to, it can set us on the right track. It can even those tools and people can help us stay on the right track, you know. But if it's not inside of us, it's not going to want. Right? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So we start with nature. Why do we start with nature? Well, because we are nature. We're connected to nature. It's not possible to be separated from nature. And yet we are profoundly separated in our thinking from nature. Oh, we may watch, you know, on small A addiction to David Attenborough programs. I'll watch all of them.

Okay, I'll rewatch them. It didn't matter. I saw that one two years ago. I still watched the whole series all over me. It's so beautifully done. It teaches us so much, okay? But that's learning secondhand. It's important knowledge and it's good knowledge. So how do we get out in nature and what do we understand about that? So I want to, I want everybody knows Carl Sagan. I'm going to read from, you know, the American physicist. He did an updated version of Cosmos, right? And it was excellently done, okay, but he can't touch Carl Sagan. Our lives, our past, and our future are tied to the sun, the moon, and the stars.

We humans have seen the atoms which constitute all of nature and the forces that sculpted this world. And we, who embody the local eyes and ears and thoughts and feelings of the cosmos, have begun to wonder about our origins. Starstaff, contemplating the stars, organized collections of 10 billion, billion atoms, contemplating an evolution of nature, tracing that long path by which it arrived

at consciousness here on planet Earth. Our loyalties are to the species and to the planet. Our obligation to serve, and flourish is owed not just to ourselves, but also to that cosmos, ancient and vast from which we spring. We are one species. We are star stuff harvesting starlight. Isn't that beautiful? It really is, yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to quote Neil from super nature, Lyle Watson, one of the most brilliant you know, biologists from the last century. Everything is indeed connected to everything else in the best traditions of ecology,

but it goes further than that. Everything is everything else. Okay, so now we're kind of digging around close to the heart of a great mystery. Everything is everything else. So this wonderful connection that we have with ourselves and nature, we're really starting to understand our own microorganism, okay, modern science and microbiologists are starting to answer some questions that we just didn't know before, right?

We just didn't know. We've been fascinated by it, and now it's even more fascinating, this whole inner ecology that we call our human body. you know, who was it who jokingly said that maybe we're not actually the human species. What we are is we are kind of habitations for bacteria, and they're actually running a show. The pound for pound, you know, bacteria is the heaviest part of our entire being, you know. And, I mean, we have hundreds of thousands of enzymes. Well, what are enzymes again?

They're also all part of that living biomass that we call ourselves. And here we are all in our head with our thinking and our thoughts and thinking that we're the pinnacle of all experience and all knowledge and all consciousness and everything else. And we don't even understand ourselves. And so where we have to start is with this deep understanding that we have a human body that is connected to everything. The air we breathe, the water, we drink, the food we eat. Everything is vibrating in us and through us. Yes, we still haven't been paid? Yeah, I'm taking it all in.

Yeah, taking it all in. So, and then what's just human body? Okay, now we're willing to accept that the human body is part of a much larger cosmic stuff. We do have star stuff. You know, our bones, and our bones is phosphorus, which is part of the origins when stars are made. all of these components of what we call our body, you know, and then when we're finished with our body and our soul leaves, then, you know, body breaks back down into its single components, right? And that's the same way a leaf falls from a tree and it falls into its single components and the earth and the creatures of the earth help that whole process happen.

It's the same with the human body. when we're done with it, then it returns to, you know, the calcium and the phosphorus and the iron and all of that stuff we've got going inside of us. The gaseous substances, the oxygen, the nitrogen and everything else, that goes back into the atmosphere, the minerals and all that stuff goes back into the earth. It all goes back into this, just like leaves falling off the tree in the fall. And so when we understand how complicated, but how deeply simple it is, that everything is in this process of connection and regeneration and being born and dying and coming into fruition

and then fading away. And how do we come to terms? So our body and the environment is in a constant and continual dance. We take a breath, courtesy of planet Earth and all the trees on it and the oceans and, you know, everything is all in working together and it is only our activity then interrupts it. Right? We can agree it's human activity. It's not the dolphins doing it or bees or the eagles and the ants, okay, none of them doing it. They were here long before we were, they weren't doing what we are doing.

And so how do we realize that whatever we're doing on the outside and whatever we're doing on the inside is actually not outside and inside? Does that make sense what I just said? It does, but it brings up an interesting question in that. Like, if we are part of this stardust, this incredible symphony that plays out through our body in our actions. Where do we start bumping up against what's right and what's wrong? Maybe, you know, how do we know what's such a great symphony?

You know, maybe someone's just playing a solo act or maybe, you know, is there any out-of-tune singing if this whole thing is a symphony? Oh, definitely. I knew it. Absolutely. You know, and that's the dark side of the human nature that we all have to come to terms with. And do you want to talk about that for a few minutes? Yeah.

Yeah, let's take a quick little trip down this side trail. Because I think people listening to this. A side trail into, you know, people get a little shocked when I say that I believe that the human species. It's not a very nice species. It's we, I can't talk about it like it. We, we are an aggressive, greedy, selfish species. And some of that is hardwired. All you have to do is watch lions how they behave for, you know, nesting birds.

Okay. We used to have it in our house, our former house. We had robins that would nest on our deck. You couldn't go on our deck while they were nesting, you know. Daddy and Mummy would die fall in your hands. I was like, get over my nest. Yeah. So part of it is, you know, this territorialism and this ownership and possession of, this is my mate, this is my nest.

These are my eggs. This is my food source. You know, and the big cats go and scratch and the bears scratch and rub on the trees and the rocks and mark out their territory and all the different ways that creatures do that. And humans do the same thing. We do our version of it, you know. And yet we don't have the level of cooperation that you will see. Some humans cooperate and work well together.

and work, whether it's for the environment or whether it's for the community or it's for the family, but they work well together because they understand, hey, we're all in this together, right? And other people are like rogue solo individuals who think, I can just walk around and take whatever I want. And so, yes, we see greed and aggressivity and greed for power, for money, for what have you. And so we see this in human behavior and human activity. And we see this tremendous lack of self-responsibility, whether it's on an individual level or whether it's on a corporate level, corporate social responsibility, making sure that the products and the services that you're offering,

especially the products, you know, are sustainable, are respecting the earth and nature and the sustainability. of nature, whether it's the purity of the water, the air, you know, how things are being harvested and used. You know, how do we hold companies responsible? Who's responsible for all the plastic that's in the ocean? Is it the manufacturers? Is it the people who invented it?

It's the industry? Is it the people who just litter? Is it governments who don't put proper recycling or repurposing or limits on these things. Who's responsible? Everybody goes like this. And then once the government, once the government,

then the government ends up or people end up having to try and take industry to court to try and clean up. You know, it's like this enormous lack of responsibility, which is a lack of respect, which is a lack of love, which is a lack of awareness. You know, we're always going to take a turn around those four things.

if we loved the earth we would respect it if we were aware of how connected we are to each other and to nature and to our planet we would be taking much better care of it what indigenous teaching have been trying to teach us over and over a day you pollute it you're killing yourself and so right now all of us are walking around with microplastics in our brain it's in the ocean it's in the water it's in the water it's everywhere. All the chemicals that get dumped. It's in us. It's in the fish. They find it in the glaciers in the most remote part of the world. And it's in us. Well, guess what? That's because we're all one.

And if you're not going to pay attention to that. And so, yes, the dark side, the difficult side of the human species and our nature. And if we don't own that and say, wow, okay. I need to look and see where am I being selfish? Where am I being greedy? Where am I being territorial and aggressive? Is it appropriate? If I'm protecting my children from an outside threat,

then yes, then's the time to step up and speak up and do something appropriate about it. So there's a healthy use of some of these, let's call them instincts that are connected to survival. But if they just get distorted into selfishness and greed, then that ends up affecting everybody. How's it possible to use people that have billions upon billions upon billions of dollars? There is no trickle down. Anybody who still doesn't need to take a pressure course in economics, okay?

Agreed. Politics. Okay, trickle down economics. Really? Okay. Look, I take my bullboy in my housemaid. You know, so no, not working, not flying. And so, you know, that's the reality is, is that part of us, that part of human nature,

of human nature that we all have some of it. It's not like those people have it. You and I, George, we don't have any of that, right? No, we have it. Hopefully, we're aware of it. Hopefully we're trying to master it. Hopefully we're trying to manage it. So it doesn't make our decisions for us and that choice is fine.

So we're in this. Did you want to talk more about that? Well, no, I just, I think it's a beautiful way to equate self, self-mastery, self-awareness. And we start talking about, you know, the ideas are in us, you know, the same way we dam up rivers. There's no trickle down from that dam. There's like there's no trickle down from the billions of dollars from walled-off gardens of hedge funds or giant platforms and stuff like that. I just wanted the people to understand that self can mean, it means so much more. And so I just thought that was a great little side trail for us to go down and catch a nice view from.

Yeah, okay, great. Happy to do that, you know. And again, when we just step back in and see, okay, if I'm just doing me, if I'm taking care of me, if I'm doing this in a responsible, healthy, and respectful way, then that eventually should, that's the stuff that does trickle. contagious. If I treat others with respect, because I'm respecting myself and my boundaries, I'm going to respect others and their boundaries.

If I believe in being healthy and positive, then I'm going to try and be that way with other people, you know? And so, you know, get into a situation and then what helps the situation more? Is somebody who stays calm and is peaceful and respectful? Or someone who has a tantrum and starts yelling and screaming? Right. Okay. So we're looking at this complex thing. We're all cells and atoms and we're one with the cosmos and the stars and we're one with all the creatures and you and me and the tree out there. We're all connected. And we still have individual bodies that we need to understand

and take care of at the same time, right? And so let's keep carrying on. And the next thing that we're going to talk about, which is really important, and I happen to notice that somebody had, who was a thing we were trying to, Humphrey Osmond, who did an experiment. It was in our LinkedIn conversations earlier about time.

Now, I want to give a shout-out because I think Larry Dossy, Dr. Larry Dossy has done some of the more interesting, you know, his opinions and his books on time and his research and everything like that is really, you know, interesting. And also, of course, while Watson. So there's, so we need to have a good time to understand to put that in place, okay? So we think about defining time and we have clock or calendar time. And that's just something that we invented to keep track of things with women it doesn't exist. So there is no 142 p.m. Montreal on Tuesday, January, the night. It doesn't exist. In nature, it doesn't exist. And yet we use it because it makes things, you know, how would you know when to get on your plane or catch a bus or go to your meeting?

So it's a convenience that we invented, you know, to manage everyday life in our cultural way of being. Okay? So there's clock time, calendar time. And then there is this other thing, which is, what is it? It's where time doesn't exist. You know, if we look at Einstein's work on the space-time continuum, it's like it exists, it doesn't exist. doesn't exist. Space and time are there, but they aren't there.

And so we have this extraordinary Zen situation in which something that we actually live moment by moment in our experience actually doesn't exist. I mean, that's kind of funny when you look at it like that, right? It actually doesn't exist. I'm sure you've had experiences.

I know I have had experiences. I can be sitting in a work and in Santo Dining we call our ceremonies or our rituals work. because they are works. They're not Santo Daini quite. It's work. And I can feel like I've lived three lifetimes.

And because I'm leading the works, I keep my watch beside me, just keep half an eye on it when I need to. And I'll look in five minutes have gone by. Okay. And I've topped into the universal timelessnessness. Okay? And five minutes of fast. Equally, I can go into a meditation and I can think five minutes have passed and an hour has passed.

Now, that's when we're connecting into that state of consciousness in which what we experience is time is something vastly different. Whether we call it eternal, cosmic time, whatever we're going to call it. Okay, does it ever work? So let's call it Cosmicine. The one that people are more or less. So, and then we think about, okay, but if we do it does seem to have a movement that does seem to influence us, the Earth rotates, you know, here we are in our solar system. Our solar system is part of a galaxy that we call the Milky League galaxy. Right.

Okay. So we know that in the middle of our galaxy, it's in what we call Sagittarius, okay, not in the name of it, but anyway, there's an enormous black hole. You know, that's something else we can talk about,

black holes in space, but black holes in people, okay? Yeah. When it refers to the black hole, it feels like anything that you, anytime you approach what they call the rim, okay, you're going to get sucked down into it.

That's all over conversation. Anyway, so here we are. And right now, George, we are moving first of all the earth is retaining we don't even feel because we're so used to it because we are so in tune our body is so on the level that we're not aware of our body is so in tune and kind of genetically programmed to be in tune with that movement okay so the earth is turning it's also moving already and our solar system is moving within our galaxy. Our galaxy is moving in, let's call the space talk, space talk.

So look at all of the ways that you and I sitting here are actually exposed to profound movement. Moon is circling around the earth, right? It's in rotation around us. Well, and so it's the space lab. It goes around every, what night. six minutes or something, imagine, you imagine. If you have the opportunity, if it comes near you or anybody listening, there's a show that's called, is it called in infinite space or something, but it is all 3D shock from the space lab. So we meet everybody in the space lab and you see what they do all day,

and then you go in the spacewalk. And you're putting on virtual reality goggles to do all of this. So it feels like you're on the space lab. and it feels like you're out in space looking down at the earth. It is spectacular. And you're kind of walking really carefully because it feels like you'll float right out of the space. So if it comes near you, please go see it.

It is totally, totally totally worth it. Because it removes all of this illusion. Okay, so here we are. All of this is happening at the same time that the Earth's teutonic plates are shifting. the earth currently is making this rumble that we can't hear grinding rumble but we can't hear

because it's below our hearing range and so let's just take a stop because right now we're talking about in nature this is the first slice on the circle of homeless okay so this human body that we experience

what is it it's actually a filtering system can't possibly hear everything that's happening. We go crazy. We can't see everything that you're to see. The influx of information would be overwhelming. We would not be able to process anything. And so like every other creature on the planet, whether it's a snake or a bat or a dolphin or anything else, we have a range of hearing in which we can hear down to a certain decibel. And the Now that's kind of individual. Everybody has their own little continuum on that.

Then we see in a certain range. We can't see past a certain range. Like we're not like a snake. We don't see. We don't see heat. We don't see. We don't have x-ray vision. We don't have any of that.

We can't see above, right? Sense, smell. Can you imagine if we can see like a hawk here like an elephant and smell like a bloodhap? we would be overwhelmed. Simply overwhelmed. So when we understand that our body is a filtering mechanism, what is doing is it's filtering out.

All of these sight, smell, sound, stimuli, everything that's around us, it's helping us in ways that we don't understand, cope with perpetual motion. The earth's turning, tilting, going around the sun. Okay, that's already three different ways that it's moving. And the solar system is moving within the galaxy, and the galaxy is moving within space time.

And yet we don't even notice it because something inside of our body is measuring all of that and accommodating it. It's measuring the effect of the moon. I mean, if the moon can make the, what the moon does for the earth, you know, and it makes the tides in the ocean, that affects us.

So the more we understand that, oh, wait a minute, my body is part of nature. If I'm respecting my body and I'm respecting nature, well, that's the best I can do. If I understand that these huge forces have an effect on me, but little me can have an effect on how nature is balanced on Earth. I mean, nothing you and I can do is going to take the moon out of its orbit or that. Any of that, hopefully, fingers crossed. Human activity could get going in a really wrong direction,

and we could do something. We could bugger that up completely. But until then, okay, let's just understand nature and I are one. How can I start loving it and respecting it and thank it? And how do I take care of this, my body? Okay, so now I understand time. I'm in it. I'm not in it. I'm here. I'm there. Okay, we also understand that around the world, there's all kinds of different people call the meridians, people call the sacred sites, with all these different places around. the world where you have a greater sense of something, excuse me, where consciousness can change.

I've had experiences myself in nature. I think many people have. I've had experiences as sacred sites, you know, and many people have. In which you connect with something, you sense something deep within yourself that's connected to something larger than myself. And whether it's the cosmos,

or whether it is something ancestral or whether it's part of the human history, being able to tap into the millennial aspect of human experience. Okay, I have a few guidelines for maintaining connections with nature. Okay, find a time every day to be outside. Okay, not in a hurricane. I'll get that. But I don't want to hear any other excuses. I'm here to material, not in a nice storm, you know, so get that. Right.

Although I probably go for a walk, but anyway, you know. So whatever it is, find some way of just getting outside. Some of this, I'm very, I have to get outside every day. If I don't get outside, it means I'm probably in a hospital, just post surgery or something. That's the only reason I'm not going outside. We need someone. Try to expose yourself to sunshine everywhere, especially those of us who live in these cold northern, you know, I'm in Montreal. I'm not feeling at all sort of you down in Hawaii.

I don't know, I'm not going to go over. You don't get these long dark, cold, minus 30 winters and you know, you don't see the sun. We didn't see the sun for about five weeks. Wow. I know it didn't have one sunny day. And so when I see get some sunlight, that means go outside and just remember the sun is on the other side of those clouds. A little bit of a spill running through. We need the air, the wind, the sky, the sun, even the rain.

I don't mind rain. I know lots of people don't like rain, hate rain, whatever. And there's people who enjoy, they'll go out and rain. They don't mind getting a little damp and wet. And so what? You know, trees get wet. They're not complaining. There's something about rain that can be just really refreshing and cleansing.

bring nature into the home. Well, how do we do that? Some people are just not good with plants. And that's okay. You don't have to be good with plants to bring nature in the house. Every room in my homes that I've had and now in my hondo,

you know, you're going to find these baskets or, you know, what have you filled with seashells and rocks and feathers and things I've collected from stones. Everywhere I go, I bring back something. And this is all still part of, nature. You can have paintings or images or

photographs of nature. It's a way of bringing you know, when I lie in bed, I look at a few things. One is the main altar that a lot of you've seen there's a picture. I like this, smiling. That's just a small slice of my main altar in my bedroom.

But what I'm also looking at is a gorgeous, huge photograph of Cole Weston photograph of Big Sur in California. It's a stormy, beautiful. being ocean, love the ocean. So I can say, good morning, good night, do you know. And so

we find a way of bringing it into our home. Okay. So again, plants if you're good with them, point something. If you're not so great with plants, start with something that's really low maintenance like cactus. As long as they've got white. They don't need, they're not fussy, it's not orchids.

Okay, you know how to measure the humidity in your house every day or, you know. Find some plants. that basically are very simple and easy to take care of. So what else can we do? The workplace is very challenging for people. So how do you bring nature into the workplace?

A lot of workplaces discourage personal. You know, they don't want you to tack out pictures and stuff, whether it's your family or your cat or, you know, something. So, but where you can, where you can, then even, you know, even something small, if it was me, one seashell probably do it or one rock or one little crystal would probably do it for me, you know. I have a very dear friend and colleague who I won't need, and I'm respectful of their practice that does remove healing. and I teach him because I started to tradition on his 75th birthday when he was feeling a little older. I'm going to be 75 next year or actually this year.

And so for his birthday, I gave him this beautiful fossil. Okay. So it's like millions of years old. And I'm a ninth fossil. And I said, now you have to be looked at that and you feel really young because you have something with millions years older than you. So I have this thing about giving him. So I gave him. a beautiful, well, I thought it would be a little piece of Jasper.

And he says he just loves it because he realizes that it helps him ground when he's doing some hotelings. So now I've sent him a piece of Lever. And so we can create these connections with, you know, what we may feel or, you know, somebody else may feel as silly. But once we understand that everything has a vibration, we're back to, we're all connected. So we're connected not just from the trees, we're connected, the ocean, connected with the rocks. You know, and for people who practice awareness, not just self-awareness, but awareness,

what you find is that you can create these kind of very beautiful connections with understanding, you know, what it's like. If you look like, I'm going to give you a little exercise to do it. You can do it now or you can do it later, but you're going to. look around this lovely kind of office study that you're in. And you're going to look at all the objects in it. And you're going to ask them if any of them are ready to go or if they're in the wrong place. And you're going to have something unusual happen. They should start talking to you.

And this is something that people think, oh, that's really cuckoo. It's like, actually, no, it's not. Okay? And further along, probably another day or another conversation we might have. You know, there's people who work with sound. And they know now that everything has a sound vibration to it. It's just because we can't hear it or see it or understand it that we think it doesn't exist. You know, and that's part of the important part of the conversation today is just because we can't see it, smell, it taste, hear it, what have you.

we keep thinking it doesn't exist. Right. And so it has to prove that it exists. Whereas, you know, other creatures can pretty quickly know that there's something about this. You know, so the more we practice awareness, and it's the same with, you may not remember we talked about meaning. It was almost a year ago, the meaning that we attached to things. And we attach meanings. And sometimes we have to, we habituate in our situation.

And sometimes we have to take a long, quiet, thought you look around and say, okay, is there anything here that doesn't feel right anymore? Is it something missing? Is there something that should be changing over and moving around, saying goodbye to, giving away, something they should be able to open up to and receive? And so it's an interesting little exercise to do

in your home and work environment. just every now and again, just look around and say, okay, and you may find, okay, everything's happy, and it's all good. Or wait a minute, that thing, no, I think it's time to move that thing or put it in a better place. You know, every year, well, actually usually twice a year, I kind of wash and clean in a ritual way, all my crystals. I would be huge table of crystals collected from everywhere.

The indigenous teaching with crystals is you either rinse them in salt water and dry them in the sun. Another way is to do it on the phases of the moon. Some people will say do it on the full moon. Others will say do it on the new moon. Other beliefs will tell you you need because they come from the earth. You need to bury them back into the ground to cleanse them of everything that they need to be cleansed of. Then you rinse them off. And so there's all these lovely ways of kind of making a relationship with everything that is really part of nature.

Nature is not just the animals and the trees. It's a whole bunch of things. Okay. Where are we now? So I want to talk about all my relations. All my relations is an indigenous prayer. It's common to Canadian personutions here in Canada. I believe it's an essential.

something that they will say, all my relations, at the end of a prayer, at the end of a request. So the First Nations Korean mati here in Canada acknowledge the relatedness of all creation, the simple three-word prayer, because it's considered a prayer of all my relations. It encompasses all of that relationship that we have with ourselves, nature, everything that's here. Where did that take you to? It takes me to how I treat myself as how I treat the people I love around me. And if I'm not fair to myself, then that's going to manifest in the relationships that I have. I instantly went right there.

Yeah. And so we begin the circle of homelessness with understanding that all my relationship is a reality. That anything I do to me I'm doing to others, that anything that I do, that I, you know, ignore is not going to help me or others. So if I'm ignoring myself, I'm not taking care of myself, then that's going to impact everything. You know, if I'm, I'm increasingly surprised at, you know, the polarity of what has happening between people's consciousness around taking care of the planet and neglecting

themselves. I have had, through all the years, I've had coins who are so concerned about the environment and what's happening that they neglect themselves. They will often do it through nutrition. They may start by becoming a vegetarian. Oh, well, I can't stand what industry is doing to animals. Well, yes, so then you dig around until you find a source that's sustainable and respectful and they might start as vegetarians and then the next thing you know they want to live on air because they've discovered no who has it you said that vegetarians are supposed to campbell um the vegetarians are people who eat foods that can't run away from them that's great right yeah um because when we see consciousness in everything then consciousness is in everything you know

So if we find a balance of self-responsibility, we will understand that human bodies do need to breathe, eat, and drink, and that I've explained to people, not eating, explain that to me in simple words, so I understand how did that help Mother Earth. you getting ill exhausted not functioning not nourishing your body etc how does that help mother earth i don't get it you making wise and respectful decisions yes that helps every good beneficial thing that we do you buying naturally sores wholesome you're not buying refined and packaged and processed and all that jazz, okay? Well, that helps. If everybody stopped eating all that junk, well, they'd stop making it.

I don't know how you shop. Do you go in a large supermarket when you shop, grocery shop? Do you go in a small market? You go to the weekly, you know, the farmer's market. Do you go in the equivalent of what I'm a big store I have across the street,

the RGA, you know, the massive grocery store? where do you shop for? We do a mix. We go to Costco for our long-term items like laundry soap or if we do, we do a lot of soups in my house. So we'll do our carrots and vegetables and big bags and freeze them for like a month and then put them in the soups. And then we'll go to the farmer's markets on Saturdays and Sundays for some fresh vegetables that we use in daily stuff or some stuff like that. So I guess we do kind of a mix, a mishmash, if you will. And that's really common.

I mean, here in Montreal, we have wonderful markets, out-order market, well-known out. And then lots of little smaller ones, or even through the summer. But we have markets that go on kind of year-round, even in the winter. You can still go inside and you're going to buy locally sourced, and you're not going to get, like, fresh fruit and vegetable because they're not growing out there.

We've got snow on the ground, and it's minus, it's only one of the day today. so that's not bad. But, you know, you can, you know, it's going to be a lot of it's going to be Quebec products, Quebec chicken, Quebec meat. And our farmers here are very respectful. And we have very good farming here in Quebec. So we're super lucky. But at the same time, okay, we can make healthy choices.

As you say, you select this and you select that. So when you come home, you know you're doing your best for the environment. And you're doing the best for the healthy well-being. Okay? Because it's the cell. It's right down in the cell of our bodies, the cells of our body, the atomic structure of our bodies. That is where everything is getting played out.

That's where matter needs spirit, right? Matter needs spirit right down there on that cellular level. at the same time. So these are like cellular mysteries. And the miracle is, is on a genetic level, how closely we're linked to everything

if we want to look at it that way. So we can look at all these different ways that all my relations is still in light. You mean the genetic material of humans is like 95% the same as turtles? So, yes. So how are we like really neat wonderful species that we think we are?

You know? So it can't just be genetics. It can't just be consciousness because we can't measure other species consciousness. Although biologists and animal specialists have been trying for a long time to wake us up to, you know, the reality of the experience of other species and to respect it. You know? So here we have these cellular mysteries. Okay. Now, do you understand what epigenetics? Can we talk about deep, deep in the body? So we can talk about nutrition next time we're on? Okay, because that's a huge topic. Yeah. So Bruce Lipton is a cell biologist. He works in the field of epigenetics. Now, epigenetics is a wonderful study. It is a study, first of all, we can look at our genetics, is what we inherit from our parents. who've inherited from their parents and going all the way back. So we have this kind of roulette wheel, genetic material.

Okay? And then we get what we get. We get the blue eyes from the side and the type of skin from that side and, you know, the digestive system. And so I'm from grandpa somebody or other. And so I want to quote something that he says from the biology belief. when he was talking about understanding all the energies physical and he was really getting into what epigenetics is and I'll just define it first epigenetics is the study of what happens around the genetics themselves the genes themselves in which different factors can turn on on a fire or turn off some of that genes functions now isn't that vast meaning we never even knew

that was even possible, but it is, and it's what's happening. And so there's professionals who are studying epigenetics to try and understand what factors are playing a role in this. Okay? So he's looking at physical and energetic, okay, including nature, nutrition, stress, emotions. How can it influence the behavior of cells and modify genes without changing the basic blueprint, the genetic component.

Now, isn't that fascinating? It is fascinating. All of these factors. So, you know, in more modern science, they're starting to understand that your genetics or your genetics, but what's going to play a role in the quality of life are the decisions that you make about your wellness? about your lifestyle. And so quality of life, as much as quantity of life, you can increase your quality and quantity of life

by making healthy choices. You can decrease. Your genetics don't change, but all the factors are now, don't know. And so I'm going to quote from him, suddenly I realized that a cell's life is controlled by the physical and energetic environment, not only by its genes.

Genes are simply molecular blueprints used in the construction of cells, tissues, and organs. So it's like an architectural blueprint print, the same way the architect will draw out. If you've ever had remodeling done or something. You know, when I bought this condo, I had to strip it down with concrete. Okay. And I had all the, you know, for the kitchen especially, I need an architect draw what it's going to look like so that my contractor could actually get us guys to put it together and do it. They needed the blueprint. Okay.

But then the blueprint is not the end result. Right. Okay. It's the blueprint. Okay. It's the architectural design. Okay. Then comes all the materials.

And so you have our genetics. the kind of the blueprint there, the architectural design. Now, the environment serves as a contractor, isn't this interesting, that reads and engages these genetic blueprints and is ultimately responsible for the character of the cell's life environment. Wow. Yeah. This is Dr. Bruce Lipton, a British cell biologist. It is a single cell awareness. Here we are back with the A word. Of the environment, not its genes that sets into motion the mechanism of life.

Wow. Yeah. That's the whole thing. It's like, wait a minute, I have my genetics. And that's, you know, that's the blueprint for what developed. my body from the inter, you know, one cell, cycle blast, okay, in my, you know, mother's uterus. And that blueprint, something, what, took that blueprint and created my human body. Okay?

Okay. That's still part of the great mystery. We haven't figured that one out fully. I mean, we can see it happening. It's like watching the wind, watching gravity. We see it. We see the results of it. We don't really understand it, right?

Right. Okay. So here he says, you may consider yourself an individual, but as a cell biologist, I can tell you that you are in truth a cooperative community of approximately 50 trillion single cell citizens. So all my relation has to start with all these trillion, million, trillion cells. That's where it has to start, is these guys have to talk to each other,

make sure that we're in harmony. Okay, that we're all listening, we're singing the same song, and that we're listening to each other. And if I have an ouchy, I have to say, what's that ouchy teaching me? Right? What's the lesson to be learned from the OTI? What's my body trying to tell me?

And now what can I do to try and help? It's not just like pop a pill. I'm not against pharmaceuticals. I've had surgeries. Thank you very much. Yeah, I'm not at all. So I'm not at all. Responsible pharmaceutical industry would be wonderful.

No more releasing fentanyl on the market. Or oxygote. or something, you know, without very, very, very, what have you. Okay, so these are individual organisms that have evolved a cooperative strategy for mutual survival. Reduced to basic terms, human beings are simply the consequence of collective and need of consciousness. As a nation reflects the traits of its citizens, our humanness must reflect the basic nature of our cellular communities.

Now come on, that's fascinating. It's poetic. Yeah. So we've talked about seeing the body as a filtering system that we hear and arrange, seeing the range, smell and arrange, sense in our age, okay? And understanding that, how all that works together, you know. So how everything is in motion, how everything is in motion, how everything is moving, how even in our body, we have, you know, what is it?

Is it within six weeks? But, you know, our entire, every cell on the lining of our digestive system is replaced. Every day our skin is shedding cells. Okay, that's part of the dust in our house. And so we shed hairs, we shed skin cells. This is all the normal birth and death of cellular material. we breathe in we breathe out and so these extraordinary organisms it's like a little solar system into itself or a little galaxy unto itself how do we move to take care of that so in in the coming

sessions okay let's see we're probably getting close up to where we need to start closing down we're going to look a little bit more because nutrition is such a huge subject has got so many opinions and I think there's only one one other field that comes close. The sciences may disagree, but not to the extent with the field of nutrition. So the field of nutrition may be psychology in kind of science fields have the most different and polarized ideas of beings is what's good for humans and not. But before we get there, let's talk about body wisdom. What's body wisdom? What's body wisdom. I think it's the my opinion and my definition and I don't know exactly, but I see body wisdom as that your body kind of keeps the score. It tells you when there's a problem. It tells you

if you listen to it. If you have the courage to actually listen to what it's telling you, it'll act out. It'll do things when you're using your word. Sometimes your body will do things and your words say one thing, but your body says a different thing, you know, so. Yes. Yes. Yes. You know, there's entire studies in psychology around what we're saying and how our bodies are giving a completely different message. You know, I love you, darling. Meantime, our body's something completely different. Yeah. Of course, I'm on your side.

In the meantime, we're feeling away from them? Yeah. You know, body was. In abusive situations, too, sometimes. You know, you'll see the way parents hold a child with the mom will always hold a child so close. they're next to the father and stuff sometimes. Like it can be sometimes to see that sort of body wisdom is like, it gives me goosebumps sometimes.

And it's a fascinating, fascinating thing to start to read into. Sorry to cut you off. Yeah, no, you didn't. I'm always delighted. You always have great questions and valuable insights to add. So body wisdom, if we accept a few premises, so let's accept a few premises, is that the body has a natural inclination for well-being and vitality.

Okay? But there's some part of us that has this thirst for wholeness. Thirst for wellness. Okay. No, wholeness is one thing. Wellness. Okay. Let's shift onto the wellness part for now.

It has something inside of us that the body naturally wants to breathe and eat and sleep and exercise and move and. and do all of those things that are healthy for us. Okay, now we accept that as a premise, okay? Then health is the result of the continual effect, effort of the body to find balance on all levels. It's always finding balance in sleep, in activity, in rest, in mental stimulation. So if we do too much mental stimulation, then our body's unhappy.

skip. If we do too much visible stuff but the body complains, go rest. I guess your brain for a while. And so there's this balancing act that our body is trying to do with us.

What's its message? It wants this for us to be in balance, wants us to be in harmony, it wants us to be moving towards wellness and wholeness. Okay. What gets in the way? What gets in the way? But if we were just so, that's part of another conversation. If we're just looking at working in harmony within our wisdom. The inner wisdom is something that we all have. It is just hardwired into our body. But our body knows what it needs. We know when we're hungry. We know when we're tired and need rest. We know when we need to go to the bathroom. Okay.

It's a simple basic stuff. Okay, there's little body signals that we get. You know, if we're sitting in an awkward position, our body says, move. It doesn't even watch. Sorry. I have a new fit there. If I'm sitting too long, it says, move, talking too long. I'm going to lose my voice.

Okay. If we work in harmony with inner wisdom, inner wisdom on the premise, we all have it. How we disconnect from it. Well, and why we disconnect. That's another conversation maybe. We are capable of feeling spiritually awake and physically well. Right?

Energetically vibrant, emotionally stable and responsive, mentally lucid, creatively purposeful. That's when we're connected with inner wisdom. When we, for whatever reason, disconnect. Why do we disconnect from our wisdom? Because we don't like what inner wisdom is going on. Have you ever had inner wisdom tell you something? You go, eh, that looks scary. Yeah.

So the main reason is fear. The inner wisdom is asking us to do something that brings up fear, which brings up resistance. Let's say somebody smokes a cigarette. You become addicted on a physical level. the nicotine. No one is going to argue that nicotine isn't physically addictive, right? Okay. But there's an emotional component, psychological component. Let's say the body is giving every indication. The inner wisdom is really working overtime to get through to the person that you need to stop. Why doesn't the person stop? They're afraid to get rid of that thing

that's the psychological component of it, in some level they're holding on to it. Yeah. They fear the withdrawal. They fear letting go of that thing that they think gives them something that is some kind of comfort. Fill some kind of entities and something. And so most of us have fears. Yeah. They may be founded in early experiences. they may be based on things we were talked in the home or at school.

So these fears can become unconscious belief systems that get in the way of us acting in harmony with our analysts. So then we come back to awareness. We're aware. Wait a minute. That's the first thing we have to do is we have to stop and take stop. If that's scary, then we reach out for our, support or help.

No one should ever feel uncomfortable or ashamed asking for help if they're scared of something. We all have fears. And we all need to be willing to ask for help. We all need to be safe. To be able to say to ourselves first and then maybe someone else, at least one other person,

if not maybe our family or our best friend or our romantic partner, this is scary. I'm scared. to do this. I feel like that's my best next step. The thing that I have always been trained to teach myself and my clients and my students and my congregation is what's for the higher good? What is for the higher good? If it's for your higher good, then it will be for the higher good of everybody else. Now, it can be really scary to do what you realize is for the higher good.

Uh-oh, for the higher good, for my higher good, you to, let's say, quit smoking or drink less or use weight or start an exercise program or eat more. Some people that are starting themselves. You know, some number on the scales has become the magic number, or some, you know, TikTok star, that's the magic number that your body should be at. You know what?

Your body knows what its magic number is. If you listen to your body, your body will tell you, okay, that's the right number for today. Okay. And there'll be a fluctuation of maybe anywhere from two to five pounds through the seasons and activities. There will be a, there's no like magic number. You have to be absolutely that because it doesn't exist. It's like time and everything else. it's something we invented

but it doesn't actually exist your body knows what your higher good best weight is it's funny how simple it is isn't it funny how simple it is and how complicated we make it so complicated yeah we do we almost want that want it to be complicated so

I think for me sometimes I make it complicated so that I don't have to do it you know you come up with these excuses That's great. The word and it's too complicated. Right. I can't do that. I have a practical excuse to not clear it.

Yep. Back to awareness. Yeah. Back to awareness, which is the first step of, okay, this is scary. And what are the consequences

of me doing this? And what does it mean that I need to let go? up or what does it mean what that I have to embrace maybe I need to let go of something and embrace something maybe it's something new maybe it's I need to open up something and a lot of people are scared of the unknown of stepping out into the unknown and and how to face it that's why we need support and help and good tools in all the different forms that they take

Okay, well, did you have anything you wanted to add or any questions or anything? I think we covered a solid amount. I wrote down quite a few notes, and I think I was able to get some of the questions that were really dogging me in there. I'm sure I'll have some more questions after reading through some of the things for our next session. Okay. So I'm going to sort of health and wellness and wholeness can be experienced when a person reunites body and soul. with the possibility of enjoying to the fullest degree possible life in the body. We are experiencing, we are the soul, a spirit, a consciousness,

experiencing physical matter reality through a human body. Just lifetime, George, you and I are human. We could just as easily be hawks or whales or fleas. this lifetime we're human now you know for whatever everybody else believes this is the reality you know and it won't last

you know there was a time you know some decades back where I wasn't human neither were you and there will be a time in the future where I won't be human anymore and there will be a time, a moment

when you won't be. In the meantime, how do we experience this with a higher good for self and for others? And what does that mean about wellness? I want to just close up maybe today with a couple of extra thoughts. Wellness potential is individual, cannot be compared to the potential of others. For example, somebody likes running.

You can't compare yourself to Andre de Grasse, our famous Canadians friend of him, okay? Winning all cons of medals. It's marvelous to watch. Okay, you don't do that, okay? You just don't. He's been giving a gift in this lifetime, run fast. All levels of hell have cycles,

an end and a flow, its own rhythm, it is part of the dance of life. There are days when we have, less energy days when we have more. There's days when our mood and everything and our energy is up, and there's days when we feel, we need to have a quiet day.

And this is, there is no constant static. The same way the seasons change. We have a little bit more light than we did since December the 21st. Each day, two more minutes of light Sun comes up a minute earlier, it goes down our minute or two later. Everything is changing. Nothing is static.

That's something we invented. We build our cities on roads and everything. We're all upset when nature interferes with it. There's a storm, there's a tsunami, there's an earthquake. How dare nature do that from below? We've got it wrong. The body will provide information regarding its needs and care. with inner wisdom.

And this inner wisdom will indicate the best direction to take. So, you know, inner wisdom is like, it's like the North Star that we have to set our compass by. If we put inner wisdom in that seat of like North Star,

I set by compass by you, what you tell me is the direction that I take. That's the direction I'm going to guide. myself by. Then life will be different. I'm not going to say it's going to be easier or better because everybody's life is what it is. But your inner contentment of knowing that you are being your best self doing what's for the higher good for yourself and others, there will be a deep sense of intercontentment and peace about that. Interesting. So if we follow the principles that we've sort of put out

as premises today then that brings us to kind of the next stage of understanding what's possible for you know the body and the body knowing and the body

teaching us and you know are we done are we do you have another five minutes should we call it a day okay we do so let's talk one last piece about the body knows. Now you've had a massage or a body worker, right?

Sure. Okay. People work on your body. And it's some of these really skilled. They're going to tell you, okay, you need a postural correction or you're sitting too long or you're standing too long or you're doing this exercise that needs an adjustment. Okay. So there will be a lot of wisdom and good guidance you'll get. And then you get these other types of go, you're holding something energetically here. It's like they can feel something, some in deep inner tension that we're holding

that is often called body memories. And there's special types of body work that's in deep process work. And this is part of our training is about this non-growth in which understanding that our body can hold certain memories and events

in a certain way it could be a tension in our shoulder it could be a way we cold we clench our fists we grind our teeth I don't know how we

I don't know how we do it but you know they kind of twist their legs together so they're so tightly wound and it's amazing that we get in blood at all you know what I'm saying and so you know we can look at this

okay well the body saying something here the body is manifesting something is being held deep off from the core of the body and so what i'm going to do is i'm going to quote somebody else it's candace pert dr canvice perth she's a pharmacologist and she um she served uh her brain vital chemistry at the clinical neuroscience branch of the national institute of mental health so no sludge okay but the woman's got the smarts. Okay, her work is very interesting. For those of you who are interested in that, then, you know, please do follow that.

And certainly there's more neuroscientists who are speaking to things like this. So she says her theories fit well with the concepts of primary perception and morphogenetic fields. That's the work that I quote earlier in the work of the word Sheldrake. work of Rupert-Sheldrache, okay, talking about morphogenic fields, that everything that has a physical manifestation, whether it's trees or elephants or something, but somewhere there's the architectural plans for that, okay? And these morphogenic fields, okay, this is very well-known in biology. It's a one-and-a-hundred-year-old, but somehow we can't make it mainstream. I'm not

sure why in a group of Jelbert Jelbray can do it and I don't know who else can. Right. And and so she's building on these thoughts saying the mind then is that which holds the network together often acting below our consciousness. Now when she says mind she doesn't mean our small mind. Okay. She's speaking about below your mind. Acting below our consciousness linking and coordinating the major systems, their organs and cells in an intelligently or orchestrated symphony of life. Thus, we might refer to the whole system as a psychosomatic information network.

Isn't that good? Yeah. A psychosomatic. Now, psychosomatic means so much the body. It's like it's the soul spirit mind. And she's saying, they meet. We understand that.

And that there is a sharing of information that happens below our consciousness. level, that the body and the mind talking to each other below our everyday thinking, our regular what a saggioni would call our middle consciousness, okay, that which is available pretty instantly, we're working in that, you know, that small circle in the middle of the end shape diagram is, right? So it's linking the psyche, which comprises all of that kind of non-material nature, mind, emotion, soul, to soma, to the body, which is the material world of molecules, cells, and organs, mind and body, psyche, and so much. And so what she's talking about is a neuroscientist is this conversation.

We're back to all my relations. Okay, this conversation happens between our unconscious mind and our body that's in conversation all the time. So if we, our conscious mind or something that's in our unconscious, reverts against inner wisdom, then what we start doing is we start actually walking out or deadening parts of our body because we're not listening anymore. We kind of disassociate, we dissociate from parts of our self. And then our body will reflect that.

It's not possible to disown part of yourself, all your feelings and not have the body reflect it. That's what she's trying to say. Makes sense. So whenever we refuse to acknowledge something, then the body's when you reflect that through tension and malaise or. So if I'm scared and I refuse to address it, what happens in my body? Maybe somebody will get headaches and get tension.

They get stomach digestive problems. Right. I'm not saying that people get headaches. The only reason is there. I'm not saying that. I don't want anyone to take this away that everything, and people make a mistake about psychosomeic, understanding it. It's very different from psychogenic,

the source of disease, sort of the genesis of anything in the body is psyche. So there's understanding that they work together, and whatever influences one influences the other. So what's happening in our body can affect our soul. What's happening in our soul can affect our body. Because the body knows. The body knows. I'm going to close on this on this.

And then we're, you know, pick it up next time. Yeah, absolutely. I share a dream in, in, I share a few dreams. that I have. But I share one dream in which I had, you know, I had been arguing with inner wisdom, I guess it had been telling me that my former manager that I had two children with, that that was coming to close, that I had to follow something that was inside me, that was following me that I didn't understand that anything that I had a family and I had two children in the little west aisle and that whole thing that, especially women,

and conned themselves into maintaining. I'm not saying men don't. Right. More women. Either more women are doing it or more women talk about doing it. And so I had this dream. And in the dream, I've killed myself.

And I'm holding myself in my arms like this. And I'm in my house. And I go down lower level. It's so young. I go down the next level. I go down a little other level. And it feels like I go down high, you know, like the impar seed building levels.

So finally, I come down to kind of an earth and, you know, bottom the earth and a chamber in which all there is earth. And I'm standing there, my feet on the earth, holding my dead self. And I say, I could bury myself here and no one would know. And my little inner voice is, yes, but you would know. So I woke up from that dream and I went, okay, I'll get it. I'm killing myself by not listening to any wisdom. I am killing myself by burying what I know is terrifying, but I need to do. So the body knows.

The body knows. Wow. There's a lot in there. That's a powerful dream. Thank you for sharing that with us. On some level, I'm hopeful that people can find the courage to interpret what a really powerful feeling like that could mean for them. Yes, we're right back to the first premise. Do I believe that I have inner wisdom?

We have to believe we have it, first of all. Then we have to be willing to sit and listen for it. And if we've been ignoring it and not listening to it and burying it for a long time, we may need help with that. We may need some help to help us find a way back to center. Yeah. And as we find our way back to center, then we can learn how to go forward, how to trust that and go forward. So the body knows.

So first thing about the circle of wholeness is our connection with nature, understanding how deeply connected our soul and especially our body. But we are star stuff. Our bodies need from the same material with the stars on. And that's extraordinary. And that whatever influences the environment influences us. And that we can do our small part by taking care of our bodies, by so doing, by starting to take better care of the year. And teaching our children and our families by being good role models,

by making healthy choices. Yeah. It's well said. Well said. Dr. Rochester, would you be so kind as to tell the people where they can find you what you have coming up and what you're excited about before I let you go today? Well, I'm excited to be home. I was just away on a little small holiday that was just wonderful just to get away from the cold or winter and have some sun and the ocean and that good stuff. Let's see.

What have I got coming up? A couple of summits. and I'm an advisor to a cut number of programs that one at University of Ottawa and the other Vancouver Island University. I keep trying to give a shout out to those two universities because they have graduate-level psychedelic studies programs, and it's a privilege for me to a guest lecture and be an advisor to those programs. And so I really want people to know that those programs are there, that, you know, what they

would be learning as university quality and, you know, and being taught by incredible, wonderful people who've worked really, really hard to bring those forward. And so you have anything, I'm not sure if I have any public coming up, but if I do connect with me, anybody who isn't and who wants to connect with me on LinkedIn, my website is www. www. R-E-V-R-G-Gessica-R-Rchester, all-lowercase.com.

And on my website, you will have access to all kinds of wonderful videos, many of which I've done with my dear friend, George here. And yes. So there's videos, there's audios, there's things you can do, all of everything pretty much,

with the exception of my books, you can buy them on Amazon or through the publisher. But I also have a number of articles and other publications in PDF form. And all of it is free for educational purposes. And that's part of my mission is to help people to help educate, to bring all of this information out there. So hopefully it'll plant put seeds and people can take it and make it theirs and bring it forward. Definitely.

I know that I'm always looking forward to, our conversations and it's such a wealth of knowledge. And I want everyone to go there. If you're watching, here's kind of what the book looks like. You should go on Amazon and check it out. It's a book that you can return to, whoops, you can return to on any time of day or no matter where you're at. You can probably find something that'll speak to you.

I know that I have. Check out the new site. She has a brand new website and it's really easy to navigate in this full of really useful information. It's just a wealth of knowledge. So ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for spending time with us today. I hope you have a beautiful day. And that's all we got.

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