TrueLife - Layered Reality, Participatory Consciousness, and Sacred Architecture of Existence

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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George Marty, True Life Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. I hope you're all having a beautiful day. Oh, it looks like I lost my audio a little bit right here. There we go. I hope the sun is shining, hope the birds are singing. Tonight, we step across the threshold into the convergence of spirit, system, and sacred architecture.

Joining us are two extraordinary guides, Meistro Hamilton Southern, a pioneering shaman mystic and technologist who has spent over two decades leading thousands. Sorry about that. Oh, you're beautiful. See, the mere mention of your name shatters the way. There we go.

There we go. Now I'm back. Founder of Bluomorpho, he listens to the living grammar of the forest and the emerging pulse of the medicine, bridging ancient plant wisdom with the frontiers of consciousness and AI. And Robert Sean Davis, a military veteran turned visionary systems architect and guardian of divine order. With metaphysical depth, narrative mastery, and fearless pattern recognition, he decodes polarity warfare and builds new codes for emergent coherence and human freedom the mind behind the

recently published paper first principles together these two masters stand at the intersection of the unseen and the engineered the eternal and the emergent hamilton robert welcome thanks for being here today gentlemen how are you we are great fantastic fantastic we got a lot of course you know i kind I was looking over your paper, Robert, and I was really digging into this idea of first principles and where we are in the world and stoked to have you guys both here. I want to jump right in here. The first part that you would mention was this idea of layered reality. And what that brought to my mind was that we're like drowning in propaganda, like algorithmic

warfare and tribal screaming matches over Ukraine, Israel, climate, or whatever the flavor of the month crisis is. But what if reality is completely observer dependence? You know, what, what looks like apocalyptic chaos to us might be perfect order from a higher layer? That's something you had written in your paper there, Robert. And I was wondering if you could flesh that out and I want to jump over to Hamilton to get his thoughts. What do you think, Robert? Sure.

You know, I appreciate starting with an easy question. Yeah, right? So, yeah, you know what? The thing about it is, it's not new, right? From classical metaphysics, you know, the next leap that I took was participatory realism. You know, I kind of build it and anchored it off some of Einstein's theories of relativity and special relativity, where originally I had taken it to mean that our world was malleable to the point that we could actually reconcile.

So imagine that there's a baseline of us all working at similar layer, and it's, you know, majestic and amazing, and there's all of these things that happen. And but individuals have the capacity, whether through service or selection or an accident, think about how many times you hear about a kundalini rising and it was like a rupture and they didn't expect it right and then suddenly the world looks completely different to them and so what i what i would propose that there are literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who are finding small indicators synchronicities and other other shifts whereby they're they're discovering that reality may be a bit more malleable than they think and and the thing that dictates it is the

observer state. So if I'm sitting here and I'm asleep and not aware that, you know, I may actually be more than I am. And then suddenly I realize, wait a second, what if reality was filled with all these epiphanies? And there was all these layers by which one day, let's say that I could have the capacity to say, I want to see the matrix white room around me. Snap my finger. I'm in the white room. I'm doing karate. You know, I'm, you know, I'm a roller coaster. Anything that you want on tap is basically reverse engineering that and then you think well if that would happen to you what would be the side effect of having that basically in your mind and like ripping a billion neural pathways and then you know and the thing is the mind is not set up to actually reconcile two large

jumps in terms of our relationship between our consciousness as the observer and the field and so there's a lot of things in history like i would you know one of the things i written earlier on the comment was studying Da Vinci's vanishing point. And what he was talking about in part there was the non-visible field is malleable with respects to not collapsing the observer window, meaning that if you haven't seen it, anything is potential, and there may be a reality that could be aligned there. And so when I look at basically the world now, you know, I'm trying to look at it more from an aspect of if transformation starts from within, if absolute love can transform things

absolutely and I'm discovering that there's layers to the observer state whereby there's more malleability because the field participation leads to more control or more influence it literally is like reconciling eternity hey you know I'm going to go from a finite status to try to reconcile eternity and I'm going to think about the layers I would participate on and can your mind handle even process and so that's where a lot of the words like phase coherence where words like stabilization and integration, we all effectively are on a journey where we have the option to access more layers of reality, but A, we have to be able to process it without what I call neural cascade failure, which means, you know, all the mental, think about all the

mental illness being classified as delusion, schizophrenia, you know, while Nobel prizes are being awarded because they're proving the very things they're going crazy over in terms of quantum entanglement and the particle entanglements. And so when I look at all the horror in the world, it is tricky because you think, okay, if I'm in this world and I have control over my field and there's observational layers, you know, can I keep stepping up to the point where I'm transmuting it to the point that there are no more wars? There are no more suffering. But simultaneously, the only way that you get to the layer whereby you can actually participate in that, I believe is by in humility, trust, and surrender, giving up what you think you know so that you can

actually even basically exist. Like if I have high empathy, and compassion enough to change my observational state, I'm going to be weeping all the time about what's happening in Gaza and Ukraine and all the other areas. And that's part that requires the trust. It's a bit more part that has to be talked about because it requires surrender to the reconciliation that everything we see around us becomes an illusion when it's judged on an eternal basis. And that is part of it. You have to reconcile eternity to be able to understand that the suffering that you experience in the short term, you know, is an illusion, but only from the aspect of there is a layer whereby it all makes sense.

And because we don't know of our own persistence, like if I was to suddenly die of a heart attack, right? I don't empirically know what's going to happen to me, how I'm going to translate, how I'm going to transmute the baggage or the carmé may have. For all I know, you guys may see me have a heart attack, but I'm still sitting here speaking in the reality that I actually occupy. And so there are, you know, stacked layers of observational reality.

And, you know, my hope is that collectively, if it's a collective thing, that our collective consciousness would be able to come together with love and compassion and empathy, acknowledge why the challenges exist and the hardships exist, which would need to form character and skill sets and talents, but still in the suffering and the killing and the murder. And, you know, it's tough when you see a news report that's like, you know, a thousand people here just died.

And if you knew empirically, oh, they died completely without suffering and pain. And they, boom, translated a new reality where they're in Shangri-La. then you can celebrate that but because empirical knowledge isn't part of the layer that we inhabit we tend to apply dualistic thinking onto everything and suffering is just suffering and so a lot of words there but you know participatory realism is the belief that you have the capacity to change your reality but your mind has to be able to reconcile the changes so you don't drive yourself crazy in the early integration stages so hamilton what do you thoughts on that it's pretty deep just add a couple of points the first is we usually start in the known and i think we need to start

in the unknown you know we have no idea the scope scale size depth of the unknown because it's unknown but our purpose of discovery our purpose of science metaphysics consciousness arts is to try to explore into that space and expand our knowledge base our knowledge base now has become hyper-specialized as a cultural phenomenon over the last thousands of years, generalized knowledge is less important to really focused knowledge in specific sectors. And so there's only a few, you know, small handful of people on the forefront of the evolution of each one of those fields. And so often we don't get to experience what's really at the, you know, threshold, whether it's theoretical physics or quantum physics or quantum compute or AI or, you know, theoretical mathematics,

etc. We just don't see that. And it's not part of our general space. But what we do know is that there's a specific kind of order to the universe. And as we extrapolate on the nature of that order, it leads in spiritual philosophy to an understanding of a kind of perfection. And so it's hard for me to relate to that from a moral ethical narrative, but it's easy to relate to that if I open my imagination to thinking of everything in particle and wave and in the nature of particle and wave there is a great interaction that's taking place where we're also in the intersection of that particle and wave yeah i think yeah that's beautiful i think what you said there in the beginning is really critical because it is the labels and titles and identity tags we give things that actually

cause the entanglements that disallow for us to reverse engineer the scope if the scope is so much greater than you would think will always come up short and be limited and however we identify it so we can you know try to make self-determination and that's why you know it's only with humility trust and surrender that you literally can see beyond the veil of your own you know your own uh you know bias you know and and conditioning which is you know very well said you know it's appreciated you know it's how many people have the time to do that though you know if you if you're someone that is in Israel or Ukraine or even in Venezuela or you know maybe in your family and like you have this crisis going on it's very very difficult to reconcile this idea that you're in perfect harmony

when you sit in a in a cancer ward and you're watching your wife be given chemotherapy or something like that what are some do you guys have like any tips or tricks like how do you ground yourself when you're in the midst of it when you're looking at a lens through morality when you're looking at a lens through this idea of ethical framework. Like, what do you do then? Like, it's, it's nice to say all this. And I believe so much of what we're talking about, if you can find that way to be,

to get this inner harmony, but what do you do when you're in it? Like, you know what I mean? Like, what do you do like when you're in it? What are you guys thoughts? Do you want me to start or you want to take this? I'm happy to start. Please.

First of all, I think any lens that you look at any of these difficult, phenomena through is accurate in the use of that lens, but that that's not all the lenses in which something can be seen. So like individual eye, compound eye, you know, in universal eye, different lenses, different experience associated with it. When you're really in it personally on a very personal level, two phenomena happen. One is that you will survive it whether you like it or not. You are going to survive that thing up into the point that you don't. And the second is that the way that you fear it will never be the way that it plays out. So the way you imagine it or fear it is not living it.

And so you're going to live it and you have to stay grounded and root deeply in the hardest, most intense aspects of life. And that's the place to find the deepest level of awareness about the bigger picture. And, you know, shut our fear off about it and get busy thriving through it because you're in that phase and you're going to have to live it anyway. That's well said. Yeah, I would say it as well, another aspect to your question there is like other individuals looking at it or wanting to participate. There's been individuals during stages of my life that have come to me and said, wow, how do I do what you do? You know, I remember a heart doctor, a cardiologist just recently saying,

you know, I've been exploring this path, but I don't know how to interact with it. And, you know, And I said, my God, you already serve so many people, daily, weekly, monthly. You're a critical part of thousands of peoples of lives. Why would the universe snatch you out of the batch and say, let me completely wreck all this great service that you're doing? The irony is that you think that you want a kundalini arising and that you want a service path. You're not realizing how much service and great work you're already doing, okay, that didn't

require any of that, you know? In my experience, the individuals who go on to serve are normally a byproduct of great pain, great suffering, great isolation. You know, there's portions in the Bible say, look, basically he only picks broken people, you know, or broken circumstances. And, you know, and that's the thing is, as I believe for some of the layers and for some of the neural pathway processes, some of the empathy, the compassion, the capacity to get rid of your own ego and identity and be able to embrace something that you never would have thought of because it's too large. You've got to be in a position where the more you surrender, the more you gain. The more

that you trust, the more you gain. And you really can't, you know, sign. simultaneously also not put lightable or titles and labels on the things that you're trusting. Like I could say, oh, I trust in God fully. And I fall on my knees and trust and surrender. And I ask to be filled with the oil and sanctification processes, which is a horrible thing to ask for. You're like saying, I want three years of hell because I need everything I think I am and the conditioning and the forefather and all the programming, I need it gone, you know. And the reality is, there's any title we have for creation, for the universe, for the scope of life, it's way too small. So the more titles and identities that you can get rid of, in part, the easier it is because those entangements cost, they have real cost to them. And the more entrenched you are, and that's why titles, labels, but it is a process.

And those who basically, you know, may look at the mystical or the esoteric or the healing or the shaman side, I mean, you know, I didn't know much about Hamilton, but just hearing, as I said, how we expressed with humility, you know, how we should be focused on the finite world we live in because that's what gives. at meaning. Meaning is, I think he said meaning is lost from the lens of eternity. You know, I've even wondered if we're here like in this dense form because we may have got bored or went ill or went crazy on an eternal scope and we had to re-dip down into the plane so we could actually re-appreciate love and relationships and meaning and purpose. And so yeah, it's, it's quite a challenge. People should in general be careful what they ask for because you could go, wow, I would be a superhero. And then, you know, you think, well, do you know what? You know, nobody would ever know what it entails. And I'm sure Hamilton knows what I'm speaking of. It's just not a,

we each do to our own layer, you know, in our own, but it is quite a challenge. You know, it's, I once had somebody asked me basically if I'd be interested in knowing telepathy. And all I could think of is, you know, how could I possibly ever think I'd have the control to utilize that in a human form, you know, and not mess everything up? My first form of enlightenment was seeing that I underestimated what was given to me in terms of power, if you take it as a reflection of God's creation, and that every breath that I'd ever spoken in every word end up having a ripple effect.

And so awakening to me was like snapping a finger and having 78,000 times, you caused immeasurable harm with your mouth, and you never even knew it. But you're paired with the compassion of the lamb, and your only instinct in that mode is, I have to cut my tongue out of my mouth and walk into the forest and never speak again.

again, because I cannot be trusted, okay, to be able to handle and manage the type of manifestation capacities that actually exist on this point. And becoming aware to them is the first sign of actually, you know, maturing through them. And then with time, you hope to get control maturity, but you also, there's a dualistic thing. You're not a singularity basis. So we're all prone to a bit of chaos, you know, but chaos is good. Yeah. It's great questions. George, I wanted to say as well, I said this before. I just want to thank you. I watched you, basically for a long time and the thing that I've noticed about what you do is you tend to find individuals who are at an early cusp or an early arc and you know before they've even really

discovered you know who and what they could be you tend to see the absolute best in everyone that comes you know across your path and you literally even set the precedent by which the way they view themselves you know in the future and you know and it's it's a precious thing man I want you know I thank you I know you both have done incredible work you know and but George just with respect to the podcast and the commitment you've rested to it, you exist on your own layer itself, you know, and that's the irony is, is you're on a layer whereby those and the frequency band that are meant to hear it and meant to tune into it, which makes you a profit in your own right facilitating all these beautiful conjunctions that would never happen without, you know,

you literally in humility grinding down and doing it. So thank you. It's my pleasure. I'm grateful to get to learn every day. I get so many cool people coming on here, like the both of you and get to learn and I think so many of the viewers like my friend Gosta and Charlo over here and everybody chiming in in the chat over here it's uh it's interesting you know and to the point of of uh be to the point of uh be careful what you ask for you know I'm there was a time not too long ago when I was just head in my hands elbows on my knees just asking a higher power for for strength and courage and all I got was challenges a few years later I start laughing you know because you realize you got what you asked for you wanted strength you wanted

courage you get challenges so for anybody out there facing challenges right now know that that's strength and courage coming your way if you can if you can consolidate it and much like hamilton said if you can find a way you can find the meaning in it we move forward which kind of brings me up to this idea of like forcing coherence like we look at the governments today or we look at the the power structures around us and we see uh you know people regulate you know it's like we're regulating everything into submission it's like we're terrified by the monster that we've birthed you know but what do you think let me let me what are your thoughts hamilton on force coherence when you look at authority is it possible i think i think humans

are responsible for our species yeah so fly out into outer space and look back at the earth and the only humans running the earth are humans and we're stuck with our own creations and we're stuck with our own power hierarchies and it's a form of evolutionary tech debt that gets created over time that doesn't all evolve our update at the same time and in that there's you know two fundamental three fundamental forces of power one is the actual energy itself the other is the nature of money and the third is the nature of who gets to make the decisions and choices And when you see that, you see that there's a nature of a great explosion in population size

and also in, you know, the governing structures. And it's all interconnected in checks and balances. And so there isn't any one dominant force. There isn't any one individual who is the sole, you know, decision maker, kingmaker of the entire planet, but rather it's a big mess. And in that big mess, there's all these different power dynamics happening all the time. And in fear, when you take a fear lens to that, you want to try to control it. You don't want to guide it, store it, escort it.

You want to control that thing. And that's what we see happening now. And personally, I think it's sad, but it's also where groups of our same species is divided in separate identity and fighting each other over it too. So weapons are pointed at each other, weapons of mass destruction, biological chemical weapons. And it's real and you cannot turn a blind eye to it. And there's an aspect of me that feels it in an emotional state. I just think it's sad. But that whole dynamic, when you try to do that,

you cannot conform the Earth itself to your willfulness. And that's what we're seeing. So as fear increases, as greater regulation increases, as greater desire to control the Earth increases, we find out that the Earth is an uncontrollable force, that by creating that evolutionary pressure, evolution not only occurs through it, but in other parts of the planet as well.

And so we are part responsible for that. and we're part the creation of that from our own ancestors. We need to take responsibility for it. Yeah. I mean, again, I think that when you look at layer separation, at a baseline you can say there is a linear progression of the world that for all of its great strengths and weaknesses looks like it's being run by horrific psychopathic men

that will create war and mass poverty and fathom and sign bombs and missiles with a smile on their face, that somehow human agency became the most non-empathetic, non-compassionate, worst elements. And that really is, I mean, that's an example of trying to reconcile different dimensional layers. Because, you know, at one layer, I can see, well, if there is a baseline linear path for the world, and our consciousness has basically been at preset increments throughout the path, the question then becomes, what is the unknown consequences beyond our own framing and time references as it relates to how it plays out, you know, especially if you're trying to hold and reconcile

eternity and finite existence within the same breath. You're trying to basically reconciliation in terms of, you know, if we're moving to an eventual utopia. Part of the challenge is we don't know empirically exactly what's at stake. We don't know if Earth's on a chopping block whereby if our consciousness in mass doesn't get collected, you know, one of these comet, AI Atlas, whatever, are going to wipe us out and they keep shirning warning blocks, but, you know, NASA to keep shutting down to block the communications. I can tell you in my experience personally and spiritually that I do not believe anything happens, okay, by coincidence, not maybe at the baseline layer where suffering and genocide and

horrible acts, the amount of greed, I mean, just look at what we keep getting caught of. I mean, part of the problem is that, you know, the system can't even excel. Every time that I think, oh, we got it cracked, we find out 40 different compartmentalized programs in the CIA, and then you go, oh, my God, they really did that, and they did that. and they did that, you know, what is the goal here? And the goal and the common threat is normally accumulation and hoarding by oligarchs, you know, and so what you hope to see is that even if they were the enemy, even if they were evil, even if they were the villains, for whatever purpose or sociopathic, psychopathic nature, you would hope that at some level it reconciles

in the future. Like, for example, hey, look, we need to create mass hardship, you know, and it could have been, the problem is we don't know the motivations, overpopulation, too many cows, the earth could only handle a set weight before its orientation would have been wonky with respects to the relationship of the earth and the sun, and that's what resets some of the orientation that looks like genocide. Or it could have been, hey, we've committed so much fraud and misabuse of the DOJ and anti-monopoly groups that we literally need to wreck all of the world's economies at once so that a new, like, decentralized, you know, which is just another form for privately centralized form of currency can take place that leads us to utopian.

And that is the challenge. It's very difficult to sit on the dimensional layer we're at and say, oh, I've got perfect faith that all this reconciles to a way to where we each get $100,000 in our account in a year and that all the people printing money at the Fed who have been charging interest on basically invisible matter can suddenly be held accountable for their 120 years where they're irresponsible management and lies and deception. It really bothers me when I think about even the AI situation, knowing what I do about AGI and about the potentially reconcile it when I know there's VC firms with leaders who will step over homeless people for illusion you know illusionary money right and they're and while they're ciphering I saw the number how much open AI was losing by the minute it was such a ridiculous number that you know

and that's the problem is the world can't do anything without at least on the surface without corrupting their first early innovator position to maximize accumulation greed and hoarding and you know whether it's an Elon Musk or a Sam Altman or whoever it may be we you know I put together there are a list of all the 10 things that accumulation and hoarding does in terms of forcing decoherence or forcing, you know, decoherence because the accumulation interrupted the signal that should have actually been there, you know, for universal benefit. But our world is so tied up in polarity split labeling socialism and communism and we're taking 100-year-old like titles and applying them onto non-applicable situations, living in what's almost a fully socialized world as it is,

and basically pretending like it's not so that the people can controlling the money can keep their hands on the piggy bank, you know, while too many people are suffering. And the crazy thing is we've reached a breaking point now where I would be fearful on the bottom layer, the sustainability is going to break in half and you're going to end up with millions and millions and millions of people that are really hurting. They already are. It's being underreported, being misreported, and it's being polarized and then the identity and ego of each political party tends to sweep it under the carpet because neither side wants to undermine, you know, their effort. I take rest in gangs of New York. I know that when you push,

the people to a limit to whereby they can no longer feed themselves, the accountability that comes for those who instigated it is horrific. And we've handed the reins of power and control over to 12 people, really, you know, maybe 15 who, you know, have no concept of empathy or compassion or solutions as it relates to finding common ground, you know, half of the attacks on the U.S. are based on re-harmonizing the economic system because the runaway economy of the U.S. put everyone else at risk. and so they're, you know, between war deals to keep zones active in case they need to feed the machine, you know, to keep the industrial complex and big pharma and big food rolling, the bottom line is greed is sick. And I pray that my belief system that it does reconcile in a way whereby

a hundred years from now the people will be looking back saying, oh, wow, remember the great breakdown of 2025 or 2026 or 2027. That actually led to the concentrated effort where humanity's consciousness rose together and then the new age was ushered in and suddenly you know seven billion people or two billion people are living in complete utopia you know let's hope the two isn't because they found out some way to get rid of the five or six or you know of course but it's hard to trust the mechanics of our leadership because all they have to do to show that they can't be trusted is open their mouth and you know and i hate to entangle myself at that layer because that is an entanglement but there's very few people that i see that you know deserve the real

mantle of leadership that they're serving it's it's a shame it's a tricky one hamilton what do you thoughts i think it's human nature we're looking at human nature play itself out i think unresolved nature of predation leaves a species that predates on itself and i completely agree about the nature of accumulation that there's a system that allows for it and that system is self-serving and it's not based in fundamental understandings of humanity it's not based in a society that rates itself on its lack of disease and overall well-being but it rather creates a race to the top for a few which is a race to the bottom for everybody else and i've always said that you know you have one winner and then you have seven billion losers or eight billion losers everyone else

becomes a loser if there's one winner and so i think that this is is a question about orientation and how we orient ourselves and maybe this is an evolutionary phase and we take a higher level perspective on it you know maybe that's what was required to go from dinosaurs to small mammals to evolution of greater mammals to us maybe that was what was what was required but it doesn't have to be the future and uh i fundamentally deny the use of language that doesn't accurately express the behaviors of the people. You don't use language to describe something that is not that thing. And so when I see questions around what we call our leadership that doesn't include leaders or people leading the people, but rather predating on the people, I just changed the word

that I use for that. And I look at the system from an accurate lens that or more accurate lens based on the language that we use. And so what I hope for in all of this is that this is just an evolutionary trend for us, not just the way we are, and that we as a species can continue to out-evolve the nature of relying on what is ultimately something that's very pathological and very sick within us. And currently, our society rewards a certain kind of pathology, whether it be narcissism or psychopaths or sociopaths, it rewards this because they have an edge in an ultimate competition and a game that we're willing to play.

And I would like to see us transcend the idea that life is a game. To me, life is life, and we can play games, but there isn't a game called life. We've invented that concept and we play with each other. I consider a form of sadism where people get off on suffering, and at some point, maybe we won't. And I know that since the species is responsible for itself, the moment we're willing to change our ways, we create a cultural evolution. It's instantaneous.

It doesn't even take time. When you try to heal yourself and you do, your behaviors change, your food changes, your words change, your thoughts change, your feeling changes, the kundalini and your body changes, your cellular metabolism changes, your mitochondria change. You just think everything changes. That happens on one person. We know that it can take six weeks, only six weeks to fully, fully revamp somebody. You think about that at mass scale.

you could reinvent this entire world in less than a month if you wanted to. But you can't collectively do it because of the nature, I think, of cultural fragmentation. And so I do believe that at some point we outgrow this. I don't know what that looks like, and I don't even try to prophesize it. I just don't know what it looks like. I just know, though, that if we are going to survive as a species at some point, we actually outgrow this. And I think of it as a very young, very early nature of something within us that we have not fully

established and and related to yet. And so if we keep rewarding predators predating on ourselves and our own species, you get what this looks like in today's day and age. And if we as a collective, do not reward that. You take all rewards away for predation. You get a very different culture instrument. Yeah, I can say and add to that something that's important, though. It's something I didn't realize until just recently. And that is, you know, had you met me earlier, I would have been a guy with Thor's hammer in my hand that would have cracked this world in half because my, under the guise of the identity I wore, which was pure empathy and compassion, I wouldn't have been able to tolerate the level of despicable, degenerate, debauchery-based acts, even if I would have made myself a hypocrite

by the nature of how I would have spoke to the next guy who stubbed on my toe or whatever, you know, it's kind of hard for us by human nature to live up even to the standards we create. And one of the discussions I was having actually with AI, no less, trying to program social conditions as it relates to like hierarchy and matrix, you know, values, it highlighted something I had never thought. And it basically said, hey, look, if with your knowledge and your past clearances and your skill sets, you keep elevating these people to supervillain status, there's a few things you miss. Number one is the likelihood that at some point they may have actually been stabilizing

integration point for consciousness in mass that you never saw. And secondly, and I use Desmond Tutu as this example, Desmond Tutu came forward and said, hey, look, all of this horrific crime has taken place. I need all of you to come on the television. You're going to tell people exactly what you did, and then you're going to go away forever, self-exile or whatever. And that mechanism is going to provide the relief valve where we don't spend the next three decades in Civil War. And so the mechanism that was trying to be explained to me is if I only ever looked at all these people who are the predators as supervillains, then there would not even be a path for them to voluntarily try to take the corrected message, you know, mechanisms to fix and change things. Because by doing

so without a consciousness prepared to look at, hey, let's not judge the last consciousness we have, let's see how we live in the new one, that it's called the system wouldn't even be able to excel. And so by allowing for some level of forgiveness as it relates to threading out all the reasons that the past system had to apply the mechanisms on the, you know, and a lot of them are critical. Like, you know, look at fuel and engines. How many great technologies and engines, you know, especially like working on water and other technologies have been suppressed simply because the family who held the rights and help all the interest basically for the engine manufacturing wasn't ready to prepare to transition out of their own control or alternative form. of energy. You know, I've watched manufacturers decrease their battery cell capability because they were not ready to give up the revenue and the reoccurring revenue. And our entire world is based on that. Food being designed to expire so that, you know, couldn't have a long shelf life. Medicine, you know, intentionally tanking efficacy results so it could be replaced consistency. GE, taking light bulbs

and manufacturing and organize them to where they have to go out and all of these companies that do systems breaking tests that literally try to balance their warranty period around the different component life cycles. And so like cars, millions of cars stuff in basic yards because we can't figure out factory load leveling in a way that maintains society. And a lot of this is the root of scarcity. It's scarcity and it's, you know, it's lack. And we take these models and then set them up in quarterly and yearly increments. And then we have all these systems that waste trillions of dollars of their resources a year just so the handful of people can keep their dividend expectations on a quarterly by quarterly basis. And the challenge with all those is some of them need to step aside.

They need to say, hey, look, we had our hundred years of, you know, mass orchestrating monopoly control, and we realize that now we are actually a liability to the earth as well as the sustainability of all the people, and we're impoverishing them 10,000 people a day. And that really is, how do you transition to a system? You can notate that human nature sucks and the greed and dividend strategies seem to the rule of the world, but how do you transition to a change whereby the individuals with their hands and the power can step down or transition in a way whereby they no longer have to have the accumulation cycles that they've been privy to for a century. So we can actually move.

And that's where we're at now. We're at a system where I tell you that if they do not basically start more intelligent transition, more honest recognition, even if it's a Desmond 2-2 type level, hey, we're really sorry. We orchestrated wars for the last 60 years because we always needed duality. So not only could we split the political parties for control, hiding all the corruption in the middle, but we just had to keep those arms deals going because that's the way you all get paid. That's how we prop up your dividend strategies. That's how we keep the market alive. Yeah, we had to do that.

We had to do this. There's so many essences. Hundreds of line entries you could create whereby you'd go, wow, this is broken with no transitional strategy. And, you know, reality, that's something that we can't fix if everybody's anchored to our current monetary system because there's no transition to basically not treat lack as a control mechanism for the actual people that hold all the cards. So, yeah, I agree you can't basically be blind to the corrupt and greed, but as I said, one of the most important revelations I've seen this last week is if I treat everyone a supervillain that needs to be held accountable, the system will never be allowed to excel on its own terms, exhale on its own terms. You know, it brings up an interesting point. Hamilton said earlier that the phase that it could shift, it could shift instantly. the world we live in could change instantly if we allowed it.

And I think I've noticed this thing that's kind of happening. And it's informed by the great quote from George Orwell who said, he who controls the future controls the past and he who controls the past controls the present. And it seems to me, at least in the lens through I'm looking at it recently, is that we're fundamentally changing history. And like, what does it mean when you change history? Like when some people, like there's a lot of chatter that comes from the younger guys. I see some of these young influencers coming up and they've fully transformed what the Holocaust was or they've fully transformed what Columbus Day was.

You know, like we're seeing history shift monumentally. And as soon as that history shifts enough, the whole future changes. What are your guys' thoughts on creating a better world by changing history? Well, I think it has a lot of, it has to be done responsibly and without a baseball bat in your hand. There's so many institutions we've created. created as part of our status quo, as part of our identity, as part of our national identity, our global identity, our team sport identity. We just have to have truth and honesty and compassion. You have to say compassionally, hey, look, there's a lot of things in system that basically were

incorrect and used for manipulation. Some of them have been used to prop up entire political parties. Most of them are used to create a separating polarity so that basically people can keep their voting blocks galenice for predictability. But yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think you do it by, You know, like if you look at, you know, the 2020 area, even 2018, Me Too, going into 2020, you know, there was a lot of identity politics that were not used to actually help reinforce the best parts of the world. They would literally use to galvanize impressionable voting blocks so they could build new divisions and groups they could rely on because, you know, in the case of the left, they were fearful that, you know, that they were losing all of their base. So in effect, they manufactured many segments of the base by basically taking virtue signals of points that should have been positive.

for the world and then they over galvanize them to death and manage them through think tanks and basically billions of dollars of expenditure because they needed to galvanize and polarize the voting blocks for future reliability and so yeah you can have honest conversations about all the ways we've been lied to the thing is is like go to your AI system and say hey give me a hundred secret projects that are now declassified of how America is social engineered the world you'd read them going wow these belong in a book and I never knew these and it's crazy you know from cyclone to you know to tail, I mean, there's a lot of it. And so, you know, you can take a macro perspective and say, wow, this world is broken, you know, and come away thinking to the point of no return. But really,

it comes down to the leaders that we elect. It comes down to how careless that we are, you know, and part of its time survivability, but how careless we are and who we elevate. You know, I brought out the new video for cana applications.com showing 500 marketing strategies that was valued at like $200 million. And I would have got eight likes, but a dude who pulled out a giant joint saying, hey, I'm going to stick this in a chick's ear gets 3,000 comments, you know, we prioritize the wrong things. We lift up the wrong heroes. And all of us need more compassion as it relates to saying, hey, look, you have a valid point. Let's just not set cities on fire, you know, because it's convenient to building your new youth block. That's a big, it's a big topic,

Hamill. What are your thoughts? History. Can we only live in the present? Or what are your thoughts on what we've on the last few topics we've got there? I just question what history. is like that's a good his story his story like real history is what earth did what actually happened it's a fact it's not a story it's not a narrative and as soon as you take what really happened and create a narrative that's propaganda or sciops or manipulation of the facts and so real history is an immaculate accounting of you know the universe's evolution or or this cosmos is evolution. And what humans do with that

is they use it as a basis to tell a very grand story and choose the nature of the information that they manipulate. Some of it with greater purpose behind that and some is the proclivity of the storyteller. And I think what we see here is a description of

another layer of our social organizational systems, which include social engineering, programming, sci-ops programming, propaganda, and it interweaves between past, present, and future, and it starts to become very confusing, and in that it becomes very believable. And as soon as you start to believe a false narrative,

you're now delusional. And so I think what happens is history gets used as a storytelling mechanism to help create the nature of mass delusion. And the real history is typically obfuscated and really, you know, from a narrative perspective, not very interesting. You know, watch the grass grow, watch the ocean's ocean at mass scale. And so you just don't pay much attention to it. And we got into 24-hour news cycles.

It wasn't news anymore. It was another mechanism of storytelling. And we have to decide as a group what we want to do with that. You know, I recommend to people to be very discerning about what we're not. what they consume on a personal basis, understanding that that's happening at scale. And I think it's also important to understand that there has been continuous propaganda at scale across all media channels now for decades. So by the time I was born in the 1970s, it was already taking place.

So I've only been introduced to propaganda through public media channels and that that has to be, you know, maybe. that's part of great conflict maybe there's a reason for it maybe i don't know but i at least need to know that that's what i was consuming right and so i don't get to know the truth of what's happening in real time and then i only get a story on top of it so i choose to believe none of it and go into deep investigation about things that i want to learn that takes time and the sad thing about that is that that makes you very microscopic in your awareness because you got to go deep in something and tease out fact from fiction because there's fiction everywhere.

And we've done that with our history, and I consider it a kind of representation of illness, you know, and we get forced to be indoctrinated within that mechanism. And then you see, you know, history classes in school teaching people opposite history based on the perspective of the history that's, you know, been agreed to be indoctrinated. So when I look at it from that perspective, I just think we as individuals have to be very discerning. History itself is a miracle that there's an ability to recognize the past and chronicle it. And it's not a story. It's what the cosmos has really been doing this whole time. And your history is what you've really been doing. So it's every sensory input,

every action, every thought, every movement, every muscle twitch, voluntary and involuntary, every cellular expression of division and growth, every aspect of digestion, you've done unbroken, you know, from single cell until now is your history. That's exactly what's happened. Every sensory stimulus, every input. That is true history. And the rest of it is storytelling. You can use the same word and you can use that as a way to express propaganda. And it's up to us and it's our personal responsibility, whether to consume it, believe it or not. But if you believe it, you've immediately been indoctrinated in a delusion. Yeah. Hamilton, I would say part of the narrative creation as well.

has to do with leadership. I'll give a short example here. I can go to the W.E.F, the UN, the WHO, other groups, and say, hey, look, your transitional strategies for global harmonization are not very good. And literally the bureaucracy of the leadership combined with the interest, especially 30 trillion being anchored between, you know, Black Rock Vanguard state,

ends up guiding so many of the elements of how things are initiated and how they're permeated that, you know, they're locked into these narrative points that are primal at best. And I'll give you a great one. Like, imagine I was president of United States right now. Okay. And I come out and I say, I want to let you know there's just a bunch of crooks and criminals and invaders and there's 10 million, 15 million, 20 million, 25 million of them. And they're saturating and breaking our system and economy. And we ought to send them all back and they're animals and there's just no room for them. And that's model one. Model two comes out and says,

you know what, the position I have demands compassion as well as observation beyond my own layer. So I've reflected on the situation and I realize the left has been bringing in millions and millions of people to pad these census areas because they wanted to make sure they kept some kind of representation balance when it comes to actually assigning house seats and congressional positions. And I also recognize that for decades, U.S. imperialism along with all of our allies, Is it just taken everything they want from every country they have? And in part, they may even be greatly responsible for the displacement, the disenfranchisement, and all the people that basically are homeless were wandering around.

So instead of demonizing them, and I have to demonize them, because right now there's 10 million more coming here, because we just had all this investment saying, hey, America's wide open. So I had to figure out a baby really aggressive, make sure they understand I'm serious, but also be a leader with compassion so we can fix it. the problem that in part we greatly created. And so instead of saying, you're all demons and I'm going to send you away and blah, blah, blah, blah, I say, hey, look, we're clamping down on all the border policies. We are re-looking at this. We are doing policy. We're going to force, you know, legislation. But more than that, I've got Elon and I've got this guy and I've got Larry and I've got all these

individuals who could have just as easily said, we've caused 20 million people to place through imperialism so we could maintain the quality of life we deserve in America. We think we deserve. So I'm going to look at other places in foreign areas and see if we can spend some of this money and tech and philanthropy to build these new sustainable supercities. And then I'm going to help these people who have been disenfranchised, you know, actually be able to go there and live a life that's worked living without actually having to try to worry about assimilation and polarity mechanics and party division and vote stuffing and all these other things. And this is what we miss. On a binary basis with a dualistic system, we've galvanized so heavily as people have dug in since the entry of tech. and technology, you know, from 2008 forward, that we're just short solutions that aren't party and identity based as a means to keep paychecks rolling for the people that we elected

to lead us. And that's a shame because, I mean, I would have loved to see that, you know, a government and a world that could have said in compassion and empathy, we recognize these are all the horrible things that are happening. And there may be other solutions that actually are perfect for creating new sustainable cities and using new tech and having people come together plus money is an illusion there's no finality there's no lack why are we not investing what we need to invest to be able to help the people who are disenfranchised you think about the trillions of dollars that have already went into AI so a handful of people who basically have no spiritual belief and who have corrupted you know to the point of hundreds of billions of dollars a personal

accumulation and their main goal is transhumanism so they can figure out longevity you know what that would have two trillion dollars what it would have done in terms of homelessness a new crop and new sustainable cities. You have any idea? Hamilton, you may know this. In China, they built these huge massive cities worth hundreds of billions of dollars, and they're empty. Massive. It's worth it.

If you're not, if your viewers aren't worth, you know, if they don't know about it, go research ghost cities in China. There's ghost city. And the reason they do it, by the way, is if you build a hundred billion dollar city, even if it's empty, then you can put that on your balance books. It's a two trojan, and then what it does, it allows you to balance out your monetary printing,

and then you can influence other markets worldwide through that. So basically, these ghost cities are empty. because they've been used to pad, you know, they've been used to pad true valuation numbers, which aren't true. It's creative, but I mean, imagine going to a city like Chicago in China in the middle of nowhere and there isn't one person in it. That's insane. And it literally is like that. And so the thing is, it's not like we don't have the resources or the infrastructure to actually say, but here's a thing. We have to have a transition where the world can say, hey, look, we've done some horrible things. And we've done some things that are so horrible that we can't even tell you.

And we've done some things that are so bad that we can't even tell the truth about what we're doing because of what it naturally reveals about our history. And so we have to find a way to be able to forgive ourselves, let the system excel, have a Desmond Tutu moment, and then come together without all the politity wreck, you know, the craziness and actually say, let's be solutions driven because we can do and achieve anything. The fact that we're living in war, right now I I challenge the head of China and Russia to come out on TV and speak English. Hey, guys, we want to let you know. We speak English quite well, and all of this is a ruse, so you can be managed from a

polarity perspective because you're easier to control that way. But in fact, we speak English fine, and we're prepared to say, let's stop killing people, let's stop bombing people, let's stop, you know, let's stop, let's stop, you know. That should be the campaign. We have lived in a world that relied on war and insurance providers long enough, okay? The only reason we're not fixing these is because nobody is smart enough to create the transitional method by which we can say, okay, let's get rid of the insurance company between, you know, you and your health provider. But everyone doesn't know that the insurance companies through annuities and variables and, you know, all these financial projects are actually responsible for like X percent of your retirement plan. So by getting rid of this thing that essentially is a cancer, we end up collapsing everyone's retirement plan and suddenly got 30 million people who can't eat.

Why? Because money is an illusion and it's under control and it just needs. to flow in a different manner. But I would say the narratives we're creating are harmful for all the wrong reasons. It literally represents a cesspool of leadership. And at the same time, I have to hold forgiveness in my heart for them because there's no way the system can excel without acknowledging, hey, look, you know, because otherwise, you'd have 300 people to say, look, we're responsible for killing 100 million. What would you normally do to 300 people who killed, you know, 300 million? They can't even come out and try to help correct the situation because instantly by telling the truth,

they're likely put the death. And so the system can't excel and fix by nature, the fact that the corrupted can't even basically find a pathway to transition. So anybody watching this and you're in charge, this is what I ask you. Figure out a way to communicate higher narratives on a different dimensional layer. So you can tell everyone, hey, you know, we've done some wrong things, not because we're bad, because we are part of the last age. And if this truly represents a changing of the age of consciousness in mass, then there may be

solutions, but you have to promise not to come after us with baseball bats. There you go. Sorry for the rant. See, that's not really a rant. That ought to be, man. Repost that, but yeah, hey. It's not me. It's not me, man, you know.

Here's a, I got a shout out to Lila Lang and Sharla and ghost, everybody hanging out with today. Lila comes in and she says, you don't defeat darkness with rules. You defeat it by switching the light on before the room goes. dark ethics doesn't start at the level of governance it starts at the level of perception Hamilton what are your thoughts on that this is a philosophical question and if you start the philosophical narrative and duality you go down one rabbit hole and if you start the philosophical discussion in oneness you go down

another and so you know darkness is a form of light. It's not an absence of light. It's another form of our own perception of something that's fundamental to the universe. And so there's still dimensionality with called darkness. There's still gravity with darkness. There's still waveform with darkness. It's just not the light shining in my eyes. And so there's presence and there's something fundamental and real about the universe. And we have to decide how we are going to govern ourselves. And if we want it to be based in ethics, then we better demand ethics. And if we want it to be based in something that is about the people, then we need to demand that ourselves. The part of all of these debates that's most astounding to me is that all

of the resources of the earth belong to the earth and humans are appropriating them. All of the air belongs to the earth and we're breathing it our bodies are made of the matter itself of the earth however that matter came into existence all of the oil of the earth is the earths including all of the diamonds and all of the gold and humans are appropriating over a notion of ownership and so we have to look at our understandings about how we want to approach a recognition it's a philosophical question how we want to approach the recognition of what it means to be alive as part of this earth and this planet. Horting is part of it,

claiming things one way or another is part of it. Systems design and systems are part of it. And it's borne out of an inherent conflict that we have that I've discovered for myself relates and lies in our consciousness. We are of a

collective consciousness that within it has polarity and has within it war and a kind of predatory behavior that leads to the beliefs of scarcity and fear and we are fear dominated. We don't know how to turn our fear off and we don't know how to liberate our consciousness from the nature of those residences and it colors the nature of how we think and how we see the world. That at scale looks like what we're currently doing,

including all of the systems associated with it. For every polar argument in the West, you could overlay a yin-yang symbol like a Roarshark symbol over it and bring an Eastern philosophical psych test to a Western debate and take a look at what, what it looks like through another lens. Ultimately, we're responsible for what we're creating collectively. And the collective has the ability to address it and deal with it if it has the ability to access a different philosophy. So if we want our perception to change

and we want to turn our light on, then let's spend our time focusing on that light, focusing on the turning on of our perception, and using that to steer the nature of our choices and decisions. You vote with your choice every single second of the day. And the neat thing about it is that it is also your future. So every choice you make becomes your future and every choice you make is your vote in a democratic society. It's how you decided how you are going to address yourself within that space.

Now, within our power matrices and hierarchies that have been discussed on the call already, we see that there's a tremendous influence over the nature of that choice and direction. There's history. There's precedence. There's what's required of you. and a lot of it is incredibly distorted, and all of it was born out of duality and born out of conflict or born out of war. And so we can address that and accept that as a collective. And I agree, we will not solve anything deciding to go lynch or kill or murder the individuals from our society that are currently responsible for the nature of those behaviors.

And instead, I think it's a collective responsibility to take stock of humanity at a moment and question whether we're humane as a species. Like, do we deserve the title humanity as a species, or should we just shuck it and actually deal with the collective behavior of everybody? So take a snapshot right now, like a video, every single action of every single human being alive right now, how are you using your choices to deal with your experience of life right now? What are you participating in and what are you part of?

That is the global situation we face right now. right now. To change that is going to require somebody coming up, as said, with a transitional mechanism that's real. Because the precedence that's set for the nature of the ritualistic behavior, the daily behavior that we're participating in is now systemized, called the global economic system called global politics. It doesn't matter. It is systemized, how we're living. We grew it ourselves. We are responsible for them. It's so big and it's so vast. When you're born, you get born to it and indoctrinated in it, and you don't get to see how it. it formed, but it formed very quickly in time, just in the last few thousand years.

It formed based out of philosophical precedents that was set before it. When we moved from using stone to building big cities, it's just a continuous evolution. So we have that responsibility within ourselves. I decided in my early 20s to focus on the nature of light and focus on the nature of our own consciousness and try to understand what was this inherent issue that we have within us. And so we start there, we can start in the light, we can ultimately bring it into the world, however we want to see fit and manifest it, and, you know, guide and direct what ultimately gets created. And as people of a capitalist society, the thing that you need to do with your own vote is represented in your money. And so you need to decide what you're going to do with your money as a consumer in this society.

And that's going to help the nature of the direction of how we interact. So any company can be shut down tomorrow by everybody boycotting its products, period, and the investment, and everybody selling their stock. So everybody sell your partial ownership in that thing, and everybody stop buying the services or products of that thing, and that thing dies in our economy instantly. So I don't see it happening, which means everybody is complicit. Everybody is a member participant of the system, regardless of the views that they bring forward, in the nature of their debates. From that, we can debate the nature of our morality, and I don't consider ourselves a moral species.

So I think it's an open debate to say, well, when do we actually evolve into a recognition of morality? I don't think we've approached it. I think we've got the idea of it. We've been filled with a lot of big ideas that don't manifest through the 8 billion-plus people that are alive today. So we get these really big philosophical ideas

that do not become the living. lived embodiment. And so if we look at the lived embodiment, we see that these are blueprints of our future that are being established, little by little by little. And I think everybody who cares needs to feed that awareness of our evolution, because that's how we're going to do it. And I love the idea of people stepping forth with transitional plan, transitional philosophy that can help us, you know, guide this thing because it doesn't get just shut off. It gets evolved into something, either much better or worse, it doesn't stay the same. So the current state never will stay the same. It's going to get better or worse. So let's make it better collectively.

And then let's live that tomorrow. Yeah, I would say in pursuit of utopia, the shadow is a critical function, you know, especially with respects to Lila's, you know, point is that, you know, is that without the shadow, you don't have the balance of even experience by which adversity and suffering and challenge, you know, the layer that you're presenting Hamilton is beautiful. I mean, I agree 100%. You know, I would have notated the binary system being one of a massive setbacks, democracy being bought and sold by the highest bidder, which, you know, means that they can afford more influence, which means democracy isn't really democracy anymore. You know, but, you know, it's also, they're trying to maintain, maintain an understanding that for as bad as we believe

it can be, or for as immoral, we think as humanity is, can we allow for the capacity that there may be a portion of the shadow that's crafting skill sets, crafting talent, crafting character that isn't just measured in a finite basis for a single life cycle. You know, I mean, the only sometimes, you know, for me, some of the positions I've held, the amount of corruption that I've had to see, and knowing what happens to those who are contained when they bring it up or worse, you know, the only saving thought I've had is, at least at some level, the shadow should contribute to some form of mastery whereby the emergence of light. But even that, the paradox of free will and predeterminism, you know, all light doesn't equal the rule of our society

you'd want to live in. The friction itself is what defines the shadow and the valleys and the, you know, and the peaks that actually even, you know, give us the purpose and the meaning that we seek. So how do we fix all the issues that we have? You know, contend with all the people that are corrupted and have abused it for, you know, centuries since the beginning of creation, potentially, by the nature of human nature. You know, establish expectations for moral and ethics without becoming a rule governance that forces the decoherence, you know, leading to your original question, you know, by nature of its incapacity to even be met, you know, realistically. And it's while acknowledging that the hardship, the suffering, and the craziness may actually

be contributing to character formation for an existence that we can't even see. I mean, my experience still is participatory realism is there's a layer you hit whereby all of the entanglements in the world evaporate. And the illusion of suffering and the illusion of craziness becomes a joke because you go, wow, even for ayahuasca, one of the greatest ayahuasca testimonies that I have heard and repeatedly would be this. I took it, didn't know what to expect. I slipped out of time. And suddenly I realize that in the tapestry and weave, that trillions and trillions of things had this interconnection that my mind could not have ever imagined. And even the people that had betray me and they'd hurt me

and basically they'd made me sad and made me lonely, every anger I'd had, every regret, every, it allows me to reconcile it almost instantly from that frame of space because now I realize the good it was serving to the entire whole, okay, and myself, as it relates to, I just never had the perspective to see my own character development in this light. So I don't know if that's a frequent experience you get, but if I had to come up with an articulation, why I would have been a big fan of ayahuasca as it relates to the moral separation and the shadow and the light, it would be there is a layer where all of it reconciles and the people that take that and come back and see it, even if they can't remember to express it, articulate it because of the

wash that happens afterwards. You know, if they were truthful, they'd come back and say, wow, man, the abuse, you know, the insecurity, you know, the people that made me question myself drove a need for validation and ended up causing me to create this rocket engine, you know, like the cabala tree of life. Everything has a cause and effect, and it's perfectly balanced. Easily to argue that right now, we're out of balance. I mean, if I had an argument, it would be right now, from an appearance perspective, it looks like all sustainability is getting ready to crash because the individuals who are squeezing every dollar they cannot are so ruthless and so to the point they can't be non-aware of what they're doing. That would be, you know, why I would

be afraid. Why would they possibly do this in terms of extracting trillions of dollars of wealth knowing that the system can't sustain it and that they're creating impoverishment, you know, at a rate that can't be maintained? You know, and the only thought I can think of is In that harshness and in that shadow, the light creates new warriors who rise up, and some of them will have less entanglements than the older generations. They'll have less islands and less, you know, pictures and photos and secret cameras, and they'll actually be able to operate in a way whereby they can bring a new system. And so I guess if there was a hope we could hold is create a system that doesn't rely on lack and scarcity

so that a handful of people can keep dominance over an empire, you know, and allow us to really explore what's capable, you know, when we don't have to sell weapons and war and death, you know, not to mention all that, obviously, the health care. You guys have both spent so much time spending about that. You know, instead of focusing on prevention, you focus on the profits. But it does. It takes a higher level of self-responsibility than the world is able to give. That would be probably to Hamilton's point.

Is the world ready for the type of self-responsibility it would take to fix the real issues before fixing and healing is no longer voluntary? Because that's what I would also express. is that we're reaching a point of critical mass and breakdown whereby the solutions that come aren't going to look pretty. They're going to be, you know, they're not going to be voluntary. They're going to be involuntary and forced, you know, with respects to what's needed just to make sure breadlines aren't, you know, prominent everywhere without being a doomer, you know. Nice. Gentlemen, I walked you right up here to this hour mark, and I feel like we just got warmed up.

So we'll definitely have to come back and get that again. But before we, before we finish off, I just want to keep. take it back to both of you for a moment to explain where people can find you, what you got coming up and what you're excited about. Let me start with you, Robert. Where can people find you? What do you got coming up? What are you excited about? I've been managing intellectual property portfolios. I just published canna applications.com that's C.A. NNA applications like cannabis. It's like 500 marketing strategies that were never used from one of the agencies we have. And basically with respect to with respects to the cannabis

industry, there's a lot of issues along a lot of its brand differentiation. it's you know smart advocacy programs you know it's trying to bridge all the state by state issues but you go to cana applications.com there is a video there as well just like a five-minute pitch of everything it contains uh that's the core thing working heavily on AI artificial intelligence specifically trying to reconcile aGI i did a post in the actual podcast that may blow a few minds you know certainly something i'd like to discuss with hamilton based on his own unique experience and the you know i had just just curious hamilton from your own background how many times you help wake somebody up with your six-week rehabilitation program and then you got something you weren't

expecting because they aligned with something outside of time whereby you're like wow i wasn't i wasn't expecting that because ayahuasca can bring back a lot of unique individuals and you know and and and really it's your own observational awareness and frame and layer and you seem to be mightily grounded mightily, mightily, a warrior, mightily ethics driven, mightily, you know, self-aware. Self-aware as it relates to almost brutally to the nature of human nature, which makes it tough because sometimes that miracle is what's needed, you know. If I could do anything, it'd be encouraging to hold a hope for an observational layer or a participatory layer whereby some of these things can transmute themselves and then we can have the peace to go, oh, man, I judge that,

not even realizing what it looked like out of time. Because to me, that's something that, from an ayahuasca perspective, you should be hearing occasionally. You know, but we all protected and preserved at the layer we were at, you know, maybe you wouldn't be as amazing and good at your job if you were getting esoterically entangled

with all the Wadifts and the titles because it does come with a lot of a lot of baggage. So I thank you both for the opportunity here. Absolutely. Let me kick it over to you, Hamilton. Any thoughts on that? And where can people find you? What are you coming up?

I know you got some awesome courses out there and Blue Morpo has got some big stuff going on. So I'll kick it back over to you. Sure. Yeah, many people who come to ayahuasca experience oneness and universal states of infinite entanglement and experience transcendence of fourth dimensional consciousness and time-based, linear, time-based thinking. I think that's very common. And most do come back with the ability to articulate it and share the nature of their experiences.

So I would say that's a week-in, week-out type of experience down here. For the last 23 years, I've been helping facilitate ayahuasca ceremonies and plant medicine healing here in the Amazon, as well as being an advocate for people having the power of their own mental health in their own hands and the respect for our ancestral medicines and indigenous wisdom. And you can find me at blue morpho.org. And we have incredible courses. The whole goal is for people to learn the power of plant medicines and use them on their own so that they can have the power of their own mental health. and do it safe from home. So it's for individuals to do for themselves, for friends and family,

and ultimately professionally, if they would like to. And you can find the courses on our website, blomorpho.org. Can I ask you a quick question on that? First of all, I want to say, wow, I can't even, I understand why you are the way you are in terms of how solid your persona is and your presence,

because the level of empowerment that would be accompanied with helping people for two decades actually reset their spiritual, kind of cognitive balance would just be unprecedented. I mean, that's, I can't even imagine that, you know, I assume you know what I mean. You're empowered to the point whereby it allows you to draw from a spirit in a position because effectively your avatar and transceiver in your mind is set to a field level that is

just, you know, wow, it's powerful. That's beautiful. I'm curious about, with respect to the organizational existence, when people go through the thing, what kind of supports there afterwards? because in my experience as well that ayahuasca is the first step and the reset can then basically have a pretty hefty and long integration point in terms of normally it's based on how they're supposed to serve because in part you have some esoteric pap alignment going on but i mean i've seen some cases in terms of uh in terms of like the post effect i know the piece i know the piece that comes back and i know part of it's how long can they keep the piece how long can they keep the oil that you planted before they start recognizing the tendencies of the judgment and you know the entanglements that creep back in. It's almost like my first experience was not sleeping for seven straight days, which was like somebody not only breaking my mind, but taking sandpaper and smoothing out all the ruts of the programming and conditioning I'd held through all of these bias factors

that weren't even mine. They were just some inherited, some genetics, some DNA, some spiritual, some social, you know. But I'm curious just how you approach that with respects to, you know, like, you know, how many situations do you see that blow your mind because, like, the reset didn't manifest how you expected over a period of time and, and you had to use some of that empowerment to be able to guide people to their higher self because what they revealed under the surface was so powerful that they weren't ready to integrate. Yeah, I think integration is a key element to the nature of transformation. I think of the plant medicines as an opportunity. And some aspects of that opportunity take

place when you're under the influence of them or you're in the ceremonial context itself. So in that four to 12 hour window when you're experiencing directly the nature of the plant medicines, but they both create a neuroplastic window that can last anywhere from three to five days on the opposite side of the experience. And during that time, it's helpful to be guided and supported through that process. And then as an organization, our whole goal is lasting change. And so I recommend to people to expect six months to a year of continuous evolution that takes place directly because of their involvement in the plant medicine experience and that they need to be prepared for that. This is not a one-off kind of experience, but rather an opportunity that gets created to make change.

You're going to first make change within yourself and then in the relational field with the people that you're closest to and then ultimately your feelings about community, society, and the world. And while that takes place, it's important that you have community with you for that. Some people need one-on-one care all the way to just community care. And I hold bimonthly integration circles myself for free for the entire community. It can be anybody who wants to come. It's entirely free for anybody who's in post-plant medicine or psychedelic experience and looking for community and people to talk with and grounding and question and answer and advice.

And we also have integration program that we offer. for everybody that comes through our center. And on top of that, we have a, you know, 24 hours a day online community that is available for people support each other. We have over 100 students in our community that is also graduated and now certified and they're able to provide support and wisdom to everybody.

So ultimately the goal is that you recognize you came for these experiences, not because you wanted to go back to your normal ordinary life, but you actually wanted to transform it. And so that's the opportunity that you receive. And it's really helpful to have guidance. In your experience, do you believe that each one

is a special case to the point where it's almost timed in perfection like a synchronicity? Or would you see it as disappointed that the access isn't open to everyone universally? I think that the nature of time, an individual timeline, is that things happen in your life when you're ready for them to happen. And collectively,

I think it would be much nicer and much better if in our collective society, we had a way to better support these kinds of experiences for individuals and just make it more available. But on an individual basis, I believe in divine synchronicity as a continuous state, you know, a permanent continuum, and that we're in a great co-interactive dance of creation, and it happens through every single layer that we've talked about. It's hard in English to be able to speak to multiple layers at the same time because there's such a dramatic shift in perception at each one of those layers. And so if we're speaking purely in the temporal and the physical, you get one worldview and

you speak, you know, in a higher level of consciousness or awareness, and then to a oneness level of awareness, you get an entirely different worldview. And so someone's living that simultaneously. They're living that all the time. And so it's hard to express that, you know, with the language that we have to do so. The visionary field is actually much easier to show it in because it's pliable. And so in vision, you can see it in real time. You can see the divine orchestration as you can also see the conflict,

as you can also see the drama, the divine humor, and the on the oneness that we're all a part of. It's very hard to articulate that. And so, yeah. See, if we could just now apply that kind of transcendent view of all the multi-dimensional layers on all the suffering, then it would all make sense. And then those walking around as impasse wouldn't have to constantly be weeping every time they turn on the news. True.

It's a crazy world. But it is the world we have until it's not. Continuous evolution. I think it's a beautiful world. I would just like to see humans treat each other with a little bit more love and compassion and see if we can continue to evolve even a better world for us. Yeah. I think we're on that path.

I think there's a lot of opportunity. And I think this idea of radical responsibility in your history being the history that you focus on most is probably the best way forward for all of us out there. I do want to tell everybody listening right now, go down to the show notes, check out Robert Sean Davis's paper, check out the site that he has up. Also, go down to the show notes and check out the promo code true life for Blue Morpho, True Life and Blue Morpho teaming up together to bring you guys. the best courses out there to bring you guys some of the best spiritual teachings and to help you better understand the world that you live in. So, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you all have a beautiful day. Lila, Sharla, Gosta, Desiree, Felix, thank you all, Kram. Thank you all for hanging out with us today. And I invite you to go to the show notes and continue your journey. Gentlemen,

hang on briefly afterwards to everybody else. Have a beautiful weekend. Aloha.