TrueLife - L.D. - Know, Love, Rule Thyself

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Laurence is a freelance video editor and a livestream producer. He works with Richard Grove's AUTONOMY Unlimited digital media marketing company, helps produce Richard's AUTONOMY course and produces the Grand Theft World Podcast. He and his wife Candice have a t-shirt store at http://freedomunitedrevolt.com. https://grandtheftworld.com/ https://twitter.com/subdialectsound?s=21&t=kuSM9acLGb6IcGMVdV-n8A

Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark. fumbling, furious through ruins

maze, lights my war cry Born from the blaze The poem is Angels with Rifles The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Kodak Serafini Check out the entire song at the end of the cast Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast

We are here with the one and only L.D freelance video editor, Live stream producer, content creator, apparel designer, an amazing individual. We're going to get to know them today. And, LD, thank you so much for taking time to be here. Could you maybe reintroduce yourself for some people who may not know who you are? Yeah, my name is Lawrence Triggs.

It's great to be here, George. Love your energy, man. And thanks for asking me on. Yeah, I never thought of myself as an apparel designer. But I guess, I guess that's where I am. That's one of one of the hats I wear. Yeah, my wife and I, Candace, started that store about a year ago and just putting some ideas into action in a basic form. But yeah, I work with Richard Grove, help produce the Grand The World podcast, and help a little bit with production of his autonomy course, and do a bunch of video editing for various clients through our autonomy unlimited media marketing company.

and I'm yeah something of a pig farmer now and taking care of dogs and chickens and yeah doing all kinds of stuff man that sounds awesome to me I'm a little jealous about the farming lifestyle I live in Hawaii so it's pretty beautiful here but the way in which real estate here is it's so expensive and things are really grouped pretty tight so you know to have a little bit of real estate when I hear people talking about having a ranch or a yard or enough room to have some animals, it makes me think about what I'm doing sometimes. But, you know, I'm curious. How is it that you got started down this road of becoming a producer working on the Grand Theft World podcast? What was it that got you going down this road? Did you go to school for this? Or was it something you kind of

learned yourself? How did that happen? I did not. Yeah, it's a lot of self-taught stuff. I mean, yeah, I was into music production, you know, about a decade ago, and that sort of helped prime me. But I think subconsciously, I was always going to get into something like this. My dad was an airline pilot, a fighter pilot, airline pilot, but he was a big fan of Edward R. Murrow, and he would talk about him. And he wanted to go to broadcasting school. He wanted to be on the radio. and he was big into, you know, blues music on stations that were hard to find back in the day on the eastern shore of Maryland. So I think there's a little bit of that in my blood.

And, yeah, I was just telling a friend the other day about when I was going to school, I was going to community college, taking a kind of lame American history course, just checking a box because I was studying kinesiology. But at the same time, I'd found Richard's work. and like j dire's work and my uh my historical understanding understanding that the paradigm was kind of getting blown wide open um anyhow i was i was i was a fan of stephen crowder at the time you know i respected dude uh i won't i won't say anything anyway um he'd put out a call i don't know he'd put out a call for like a producer you know this was maybe five years ago so i remember writing down you know like How do I make myself indispensable to somebody like Stephen Crowder?

And, yeah, find myself going through Rich's autonomy course and then working with him. And a few years later, like, I'm doing that thing, not the way I envisioned it. And not with whom I thought I might want to work. But I'm really grateful that I found myself in the position I'm in and, you know, not somebody else that's, you know, not as well read or got the books to back things up. So that's kind of the short of it, I guess. Yeah. It makes me wonder, and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this.

Anybody can go to school and learn what a teacher is preaching. Anybody can go and have a cardboard cut out of a job that is dictated to them. And it seems to me that a lot of people take this predetermined road of what they think they want. But it's really what they're told to be doing. So when you tell me yourself taught and then you tell me the story of how you ended up where you were, I always admire that road better. It seems to me, you know, it reminds me of, I'm a big fan of mythology and Joseph Campbell and all these old myths. And there's this old myth about King Arthur and they're going to find the Holy Grail.

And they all head out into the woods. But one of the rules is each individual night must enter into the dark forest in a spot that is the darkest to them where there is no path cut. And I've always thought about that. like, yeah, you should be going out into the world and carving your own path. Because when you find yourself on a path, that means you're on somebody else's path. It's already been warned. So you told us about how kind of a wide ranging set of how you got to where you were. But what was it like?

What drew you to the autonomy course? And what can you tell us a little bit about that course and what you learn there and what it's been like working on the Grand Theft World podcast? Absolutely. And you're echoing so much of what kind of gets addressed in Rich's autonomy course. And, you know, I guess I'm familiar with the term Dark Night of the Soul. And, you know, I think it's at least parallel to what you're talking about. And, yeah, Rich often quotes John Taylor Gatto.

But one of them is, you know, if you're not writing your own script in life, you're playing a part in somebody else's, play and uh so i think you're touching on that exactly and and yeah that's that's sort of um i guess that's at the the essence or the foundation of rich's autonomy course the early weeks get into breaking down the learned helplessness that many of us uh are indoctrinated with through the education system which we come to find out is not really designed to educate us it's designed to indoctrinate and to slot us into a particular class or role in society. And yeah, it's recognizing that, accepting it and then kind of moving on. And then the course moves into learning about your true potential

and learning how to tap into that infinite potential that we all, I think we all have. and many of us have just been beaten down, just been squeezed into a box, or, you know, we've just been born and bred in a terrarium and sort of, you know, especially today, a lot of people have jobs that are highly specialized and they make, they do very well for themselves, but it's contingent on a whole bunch of things being in place and operating in society that they never think about. And, you know, it's, I guess that's a pepper mindset or whatever, just being a realist. But if those things were to fall away, what are those people going to do? And so that's another part of the autonomy course is just in Omnia Paratus is something Rich has on his shield there, you know, prepared in all things. And it doesn't mean that, you know, everybody's mastering everything, but it's developing. an awareness for all these things. It's raising consciousness, having a higher level of consciousness

and how you operate in the world. And then, yeah, we talk a lot about freedom. And the flip side of the coin of freedom is responsibility. And so it's all about taking more responsibility in more areas of your life. And yeah, I mean, that's speaking of the autonomy course. And you asked about grand theft world. That just, I, I just, I don't know. I think it was an idea that Rich had for a while. He had the website for a while. And back in November 2020, it just got put on the schedule. Tyler, Tyler Bloyer used to work with us.

And he put a lot of that infrastructure into place. I mean, it was a team effort, but I learned a lot from him. I wasn't entirely self-taught, but had some good mentors here. and that's just it's hard to believe you know we've been doing that 103 weeks in a row in one form or another and it really feels like it's starting to turn into something yeah i i think that uh i'm a huge fan of the autonomy course i'm a huge fan of you rich the whole team over there because you're constantly putting out content that not is not only something that is fun to watch but it's something that sticks to the soul. What I mean by that is the, the, the format in which it comes out, the, the way in which it is

designed in order to get people thinking. It almost like it's constantly begging questions from the listener. So it's interactive in that way where it gets you to think about some of the ideas, some of the lessons, or some of the things in your environment that you've always wondered about. but maybe haven't had either the time or the courage to really start thinking about. And that to me is it's kind of carrying on John Gatto's work. And for those that don't know, John Gatto is probably the greatest teacher, one of the greatest teachers in American history. And if you haven't read his book, Dumbing Us Down or his other,

I think he's got multiple books out there that most people should take the time to read to thoroughly understand what the education system is designed to do. goes back to the Prussian system and kind of making today's American kids obedient workers instead of critical thinkers. And if you look at what's happening in the world today, I think that you can, while you and I, Lawrence, would call the school system today a failure, I believe there's people in positions of authority who would say this is working just perfect. What do you think? Absolutely. No, you're spot on. I was having this conversation with my mother the other day and she's she's finally started listening to the show and it's not it's not

really her thing you know her feedback is like well i i feel like i'm sitting in on a frat boy hangout or something like okay um yeah it's it's not for everyone and uh it could be for everyone but absolutely she she um she did say well i'll give you i'll give rich this you know i agree with him on the john dewey thing And, yeah, I expressed that to her. I'm like, well, look, yeah, the education system is actually kind of successful. It's doing what it was designed to do. And so this is something we talk about often is, well, what is the education system?

How was it designed and who designed it and why? And yeah, it's done pretty well for what it was designed to do. I'd agree. Yeah. It's in some ways the breakdown of of the world we see today, I think can be, if we're going to continue to talk about the education system and the breakdown of communication in the United States, I think it should also be entered into the record that there is this furious American spirit that loves to fight. And maybe that doesn't, maybe that's, I'm partial to to America because I love our country. I love the people in it. And I love the people of the world, too.

So maybe there's this thing about life that says we're fighters. Maybe there's this thing about life that says deep down, we don't ever give up. Maybe there's this thing about life that says when the going gets tough, the tough get going. I believe that. And I see your guy's podcast as the embodiment of that spirit. It is this, okay, we've had enough. Now we're going to fight back. And we're going to fight back in a way that can't be controlled because we are now fighting

for the hearts and minds of the people. And getting back to the message of the podcast, getting back to the message of the autonomy course, it seems to me what you're teaching in there is self-reliance through a community. Now, a lot of people would think, hey, self-reliance seems a little different than community. But the truth is, those things are really connected. Is that kind of what the heart of the autonomy class is?

Or what is the relationship there? No, I think you're evaluating it correctly. It is, yeah, it is. is about individual pursuits towards autonomy but it is a very strong community it's it's a it's a wonderful community to be a part of and so when you have these people that are they're in that pursuit of autonomy in their in their lives and just raising their their consciousness their awareness and wanting to take greater responsibility because they want to be free, you know, physically and mentally and bodily autonomy. Yeah, you have, you have an amazing

group of people that just, they, they share ideas and ideas get put into action. And sometimes it's, you know, you put that idea out there. And then somebody chimes in and says, well, I can do that, or I can help you with that, or I can teach you how to do that, or I know so and so. And so it's, it's a powerful networking. But it's, you know, not just networking. It's not just networking. It's It's like stuff is getting done and just ideas are bubbling up. And we kind of have a rule when somebody has a good idea, then they're responsible for it. And that doesn't mean they have to do it themselves.

You know, maybe you've got a critique of the website or something. Well, you know, maybe you just need to be responsible for finding the person that can do the job right. So people start to get a really different, a broadened perception of the value that they have to offer because people come in oftentimes or they're they're contemplating getting in the course i was like this myself you know really struggling to put down on paper or you know into a into a form online you know what what skills do i have what do i have to offer what value do i have to offer and i think you know you start to have conversations with people and open up a little bit and and you discover maybe that you have much

more value to offer than than you realized and in ways that you did not previously understand or see yourself. So there's a lot of that happening through that that community. Man, that's beautiful. I love the way you said it. It makes me, it makes me think a lot. I have a lot of people in my life and even myself have gone through situations where, and I think maybe all of us, if we're being honest, I'm willing to bet everybody listening to this has gone through periods of their life where they have doubted themselves to the point of like, what the fuck am I doing? You know, like, am I even worth this, you know?

And like, I've been around suicide enough to see how devastating it is. And I've been around enough people who have used drugs or, you found creative ways to destroy the beauty within them. And it's so beautiful for me to hear you say you found the value in yourself by finding out how valuable you can't be. And I wish, like I wish more people would take the time to do that because it's almost like a rebirth. It's almost like you've,

and maybe this is something everybody has to go. through. Maybe you're not a total man or woman until you go through this rebirth. Maybe you have to get to the doors, knock on and be like, I'm nothing so that the door can be opened up and you can walk through and become something. But it's, it's this idea of realizing, okay, I, what am I here for? What do I need to do? And then finding value in yourself, figuring out that you are the most important person in your life, at that point in time, then you can really begin to love yourself. And I think it's just, there's this absence of self-love and you see it in the communities. You see it in relationships. You see it in the way people carry themselves with their head down, walking around, people that are having

problems with weight, people that have mental disorders. It's like this lack of love for self because we've forgotten how important we are. Each individual is so important to the ecosystem. Each individual is so important to helping the next generation love themselves. And that brings me to So you're in the autonomy course. You start producing. Is it fair to say now that you are also being a mentor to some of the younger kids coming up through those classes? Absolutely. Yeah.

You know, we've got we've got a few, yeah, more than a few people interested in video editing and learning how they can, you know, we kind of call it shadow hosting. That's how you start out. Just being somebody to help out on a Zoom call so that whoever's presenting doesn't have to worry about. participants or muting or unmuting and you know you level up from there and start sharing clips and learning how to do that more efficiently and and then going going beyond that in post production and and publishing so yeah we've got we've got a few people now i've been running a media group meeting every every thursdays and uh it's it's been very casual at times for a while, yeah, because I started trying to take that over and I didn't feel qualified as a leader, at least in that realm.

I was still learning a lot myself and feeling overwhelmed, but kind of kept the conversation going. And we had a few regulars hang in there. But yeah, you know, we've got Cody in Arizona. He's doing great. He's been really stepping up in the past few months, helping. with post-production stuff and now he's interested in a bit more live production there's a handful of people and it's it's great um just kept that kept it going and now we've got a little team and we're pulling clips because you know there is there's a ton of content to mine from just a

grant-thive world podcast every week it's a week's worth of content in one night and uh from the when the autonomy season kicks off then you know you've got another uh 12 hours of of content sort of within within the course there in the community and then you know we've got we're helping jay dyer produce a philosophy course right now we've got ryan christian uh coming to do a autonomy speaking event on thursday and i think he's going to kick off a course uh sort of on on independent media and evaluating sources and stuff like that we have a whole website at the marketplace the autonomy of gore of these courses we've we've produced in the past couple of years and yeah many hands working on it many hands make light work and more people are showing up and interested and

yeah um and i'm i'm about ready to i'd been talking about a month ago about doing a production course and i i don't know i wasn't ready and you know life kind of got in the way but i think I'm about ready to just go for it and get something started, do it live. I've learned a lot doing it that way. And that's what we do on the show. I don't think that'll get old. I was joking about that. Let's do it live.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think are some differences and some, what do you think are some things that you have learned mentoring? that are different than when you learned from a mentor. Does that kind of make sense? Like I think that there's a whole different, while some things are similar, you can see it from a different angle.

But what is your take on that? Yeah, that's an interesting question. And that's why I'm interested in teaching more because, you know, I don't know everything. I don't, and the way I do stuff isn't the only way to do it. And it's not the right way to do it. I'd say the right way to do things always involves attention to detail and sort of working things out, you know, ad nauseum and spending a lot of hours dealing with different things,

figuring them out. But generally, you know, I took a course from Mark Passio a couple of years back, how to become the true media. And I got a lot of value out of that. And just his approach, he's so meticulous and sort of, diligent with his work. So that that rubbed off on me. And to get back to your question, yeah, there's there's things that you learn teaching things to other people because they're, they're not totally clueless. They have some pieces together, but they don't quite understand

maybe something about how you do something. And then in, in, in their asking questions or presenting a solution for something, then then you learn something and maybe tie, tie that into a process that makes what you do even better. And, you know, so it's a rising tide lifts all boats kind of thing. And but certainly that's an old maxim, isn't it? You know, you master, I think you really master stuff once you're able to teach to people. And that ties to the trivium.

I'd say the input processing and output, the grammar, logic, and rhetoric, you know, you have to ingest stuff and then put it all together and then be able to output it in a coherent manner. And so, yeah, teaching is certainly, that's hugely important and beneficial to all involved. Yeah, man. You know, it's not too often that I interview people or I talk to people who start quoting the trivium. Thank you for that. I think it makes the world a little bit better. Good, yeah. Yeah.

There's so much wisdom in there, right? And it's somehow we've gotten away from that. It's interesting how you tie that into teaching because that should be the foundation for all teaching is you need to understand how to learn before you can actually start learning anything. But I wanted to go back for a minute. And you had mentioned something about it may not be the right way, the way you've learned, and attention to detail is important.

For some of us who have like learning disabilities, like myself, you know, I never got to learn, quote, unquote, what was the right way. So I had to figure out my way to do it. And even though it's not the right way, it seems to be a way in which I can figure it out. And it got me thinking like, you know what, maybe, maybe there is no right way.

Maybe the right way is the way you learn. and other people that have similar ideas or their brain works a similar way, be it, you know, extroverted or a deficiency or, you know, whatever kind of silly language we use to describe people, maybe there's multiple ways to learn. And I think that that's kind of, if you look back at the, you know, the dialogue, Plato's dialogues or even the trivium, you start learning that the best way to learn is just to ask questions. And my answer to that question may not be the same answer. that you have, but it may be a path that gets us to the same result.

And so I've found that people who didn't learn from somebody end up knowing ways to do it that are not only unique, but make them be an expert in their own way. I'm willing to bet if I sat down and watched you or if even your students watch you, you're showing them ways that no one else would teach them. And I think that's invaluable. So, yeah, I'm happy to hear the language you're using. And I think that that's probably what makes you a good teacher and will make you a good teacher. And on top of that, that's what will set your course aside from everybody else's course is the LD way.

Yeah, right on. And what just came to mind was one student in particular from the autonomy course that joined in season one that had been a Peace Revolution podcast listener. and he's a he's a I guess well he's got a bunch of animals I was going to say pig farmer but he does a lot out in Oklahoma but Jordan is he's homeschooled and he just approaches things so differently so people come to him you know to ask him to evaluate something and and his perspective is always very unique because yeah he didn't go through an indoctrination system he learned how to learn for himself and it's it's very powerful and i think that's that's something that you know for jordan obviously he he kind of did that and then he comes he comes and hangs out in the

autonomy course but for for others of us it the autonomy course helps us break that down um and and and learn learn how to learn anything and uh that's something i definitely felt like i struggled with I was a really good student in grade school and, you know, kind of honors and stuff. And then I went, went to a boarding school for high school. I started to struggle. And, you know, I was diagnosed with depression. And then later, oh, maybe it's ADD or it's a combination. There's all kinds of stuff thrown at that, you know, from the, the pharma angle.

And, but I remember in high school just thinking, like, gosh, if I could just figure out what, the best way for me to learn is, but I didn't, I didn't feel like I had the time or I just couldn't get it. I did what I could, but I always just felt like I wasn't doing it right. And like I was just kind of trying to satisfy some vague standard that I didn't quite understand. So, yeah, learning, breaking that down and learning how to learn anything and learning how to learn for yourself. the right way for yourself is immensely powerful. It's empowering. Yeah, I agree. I, let's say we shift gears here for a minute and talk about depression. Like I, I've had multiple people in my family attempt suicide and they were both diagnosed with depression. And I've often

heard it say that depression is being trapped in the past. Anxiety is being trapped in the future. but it's it's interesting the way in which our society first off diagnoses people with depression and second off tries to heal it i'll start with the first part like isn't it interesting that you know somebody we oftentimes people go to a doctor like they don't even know the doctor they don't know what school he's been to they don't know anything about him and here's this guy that's like you have this thing and then people are like well i guess i got this thing now you know they don't maybe they, maybe you go to a counselor. Maybe you sit, maybe if you're lucky, you sit down and talk to somebody who's really

educated in the area and has a thorough understanding of what you're going through. Maybe there's not a time limit on your counseling, but too often it's one or two people that just say, here, you got to take this pill. And this pill is going to do this thing for you to get you out of depression. But I don't think that SSRIs, I don't think that any of these pills allow people to get out of depression. I think it just allows them to feel good enough to stay in depression, to stay in the situation that has caused them to be upset about it.

But as someone who was diagnosed with it, what's your take on what I just said? I think you're right on. I mean, it kind of reminds me of my experience and going to doctors and having parents kind of trust in the doctors and the experts and the school acting. loco parentes and um yeah i i knew it's funny i was you know i was like listening to no agenda show last night and they're they're playing clips about uh the adderall shortage and and um and you

talking about norapinephrine and serotonin re uptake inhibitors and and i knew about all this stuff at a very young age and like okay well we're going to try this and we're it's going to hit this receptor and and then here's another one that'll hit the these other two types of receptors and and now what that that stuff is is being shown that you know that there's a recent study or an old study that was just recently kind of on uncovered or or brought to light that you know that stuff just doesn't work and and yeah i i played along although like i would resist and and yeah off and on for 20 years i i was on this up and down thing where it was like I was rejecting it, but then I, and it's fascinating to me,

if you don't mind me bringing this up. Please, man. Please show him. Yeah. In the media. I don't know if you caught this, this interview he did with Chris Cuomo last week, but, you know, no agenda had a clip from it. And I just, I just lost it because it was, it was unbelievable.

And see, I think the guy, you know, I've always been kind of interested in him. I do respect his music. I know it's not everybody's cup of tea. And he seemed to be like a megalomaniac or, you know, Yeezus, whatever. But to me, I see him, he's much more coherent now. Now you can critique his approach to the subject that he's addressing right now. But pretty fascinating what's going on. But to have him go on Chris Cuomo's show on who knows what that network is, he's not on CNN anymore.

And to have that guy be like, you know, are you taking care of yourself? Are you all right? And then have Ye say, did you work out this morning? No. I took my meds. Took my meds. My antidepressants. Like I do every morning.

like holy cow and who who looks like the crazy person in that conversation um that just blew me away i got carried away clipping that out and playing with it um to me that his kind of observing his journey really hits close to home and you know it similarly when you know when i was in my early 20s and you know I've I was sort of primed for some some conspiracy rabbit hole diving at a young age I've mentioned this before my my dad was a TWA pilot in 1996 a 747 blew up off the coast of Long Island and the government came up with a nice story that you know it was afraid frayed firing and an empty nearly empty fuel tank and vapors and And, you know, these things happen, except it never really happens over in the Middle East or anywhere in hot temperatures.

Anyway, you know, it's, I was privy to information at the age of 11, 12 that, well, you know, maybe the U.S. Navy shot down a jet and got away with it and gaslighted. The government gaslighted the country. And that was, you know, five years prior to 9-11. I'm getting the point was now when I was when I was 18 19 I went to Guatemala by myself to go do some immersion in Spanish and I met some dude down there at a cafe he was like dude you know about he was from Austin you know about Info Wars and Alex Jones so I went in the internet cafe and looked it up and I don't think I ever really got into Alex Jones I didn't I didn't really really listen to him, listen to the show, but somehow I went, I saw something there

and then went looking at Prescott Bush and Brown Brothers Harriman and the Nazis. And I remember trying to talk to my parents about that and, you know, oh, well, you can't believe everything you read on the internet. And, you know, I was, I was, I was young out of control a bit off and on a meds and partying. and so I didn't give much credibility to myself as far as the topics I was looking into. Sorry, it's, you know, I just, I just feel for Yeh, watching his journey and can identify with a lot of it. And yeah, depression. Well, to me, it's like, it's a lack of, lack of sense of purpose, I think.

man without purpose or you know anybody without a sense of purpose they're they're going to suffer needlessly mentally and um and it's a it's a tough thing it's taken me a while to you know i'm still working on it but i have a true i have a more um understand my sense of purpose or i have better sense of purpose now than i did months ago um and i think Yeah, I think that's crucial to mental clarity, mental, what's the word? It's just not mental suffering. And we all suffer, but, you know, there's meaningful, meaningful suffering that leads to growth and enlightenment. And it doesn't mean you have to abuse yourself, but sometimes it does.

Like, you have to endure, you know, I, I. I get some wisdom from like jaco willink and and that whole mentality of like embrace the suck. Just to say good. This sucks. Good. It's another growth opportunity. AFCO, another fucking growth opportunity is what I would say.

Your dad sounds like an awesome guy, man. I remember that airplane going down. I remember and there was a lot of evidence, even though. It was covered up in the mainstream. There was a lot of evidence to point into that thing being shot down. And it was the, I don't know if it's the, the inability to cover things up or the sloppiness or the hubris in which people think they don't have to. Or maybe it's the fact that you can't cover up such huge things like that because it's, it goes against everything that, it goes against all logic. You know, but I, I do remember that happening.

On the con, on the idea of yay, like I just watched him today or part of him on the Lex Friedman podcast. I got to say, I love that guy, man. I don't always agree with him. And sometimes I think he's a knucklehead. But I think that what he's going through right now is what a lot of Americans, a lot of people around the world are going through. Regardless of who is in charge and running things, there's no social mobility. And when there's no social mobility, there's unrest. Because why should a kid go out and get a job?

You know, people talk about the younger generation being lazy and depressed and sitting home. Why should they? The people on the very top, all the CEOs, all the boards and directors, those guys have zero loyalty. They move from company to company to company for a paycheck, for a paycheck, for a paycheck. And then they get all upset when the people on the bottom do it. All these kids don't want to stay in work. Yeah, because look at what the leaders do. There's not only, is there no loyalty.

there's no justice. There's zero justice for people. Once you reach a certain threshold, it's no longer justice. It's just us. And like the people on the bottom aren't dumb. They may not have the same resources. They may not have had the same education. But it is impossible. It is impossible to see the corruption, to not see the corruption at the top. In Hawaii, we have a saying it says, the fish rots from the head down. And what you see out in the world today is the complete devastation, the rot from the very people who call themselves leaders. You know, and I, I see Yeh going out there and I see him making arguments that a lot of people are afraid to make.

I'm not saying every argument he makes is accurate, but I am saying the guy's got the courage to do it. I am saying the guy's willing to stand up for what he believes in. I am willing to say that no matter who faces him, you know, he's making people look silly like Cuomo. Like, look at this guy waking up, taking meds to do, like that guy has to wake up. and take medicine just to get through his day. And I'm not saying that's a problem,

but on some level, when you do that, you must acknowledge that you are relying on this substance instead of relying on yourself to get better. You may always have to take medicine, but you must also take the step necessary to understand that you've got to work on yourself to get better. And so when I think about depression and meds, in an interesting way,

you've kind of been doing a lot of research on neurobiology, if that's a word, like neurochemistry since you were young. You're learning about the 5-2A receptor. You're learning about all these different things that make your brain work. And in a weird way, I bet you that's had a pretty profound, profound effect on the way you think. But the reason I'm bringing up the brain chemistry and the SSRIs and all these drugs and the recent article about SSRIs that show them to be less effective than a placebo, you know, and it goes in conjunction with all the Alzheimer's medicine that they're showing doesn't work.

What is working is psychedelics, be it ketamine or be it mushrooms. If you look at the work coming out of John Hopkins, if you look at the work that's coming out of all these new places, all this new funding that's coming up, what you're seeing is that psychedelics have the ability to, to make connections in the brain. They have the ability to remake connections in the brain. And the way I liken it to, and this is just my opinion, is that I knew a guy who had a stroke. When I was a young kid, this older guy had a stroke and he had to teach himself how to talk again.

And that really interested me. I'm like, how did he do that? And what was explained to me is that when he had a stroke, no blood went to this part of his brain. And so that he was, he, those connections died in his brain. So he found a way to make new connections to get him to learn to speak again. You have to relearn everything over again. And when you look at the work of psychedelics, they have some study. There's a study out of John Hopkins about with FMRIs and it shows brain scans.

And in one brain scan, what you see is the connections of a normal person who is asking questions while they're in the FMRI. And then they take another person who's on a medium dose of psychedelics and they show all these different connections in there. And people are going through. They are learning that they can use psychedelics and they can be cured of PTSD in a matter of like four or five sessions. The level of psychedelics versus placebo is off the charts. Psychedelics are doing better. They make SSRIs look like, you know, candy pez or something like that. And there's no, there's no addiction. There's no need to continue to do it. There's no long-term profit motive for the pharmaceutical companies. And I'm excited to hear about it.

And I'm curious, have you ever experimented with psychedelics? And if so, what do you think about what I'm saying? And what is your take on psychedelics? Yeah. I have certainly when I was younger and more in a reckless experimental kind of party approach. guess you'd say. But then more recently having, you know, it's since about April of 2020, that's when I took the last of the pharmaceutical antidepressants that I was on.

And that was a long journey. That was a huge, hugely big thanks to my wife, Candace and her disbelief, her incredulity that I needed that stuff. And it became a mental, just a real grind. Like, you've got to drive out to see the doctor every now and then get a prescription, and then I have to go to the pharmacy every 30 days. And, you know, and then I'd be like,

well, what if everything falls apart and that's not available, then what? And, you know, you could kind of, look at any kind of habits or any anything you rely on in that way would have a healthy balance but for that stuff you know and i used to just sweat my body was just trying to like push out these toxins and and uh you know i had trouble sleeping and and all kinds of you know when i was younger just weight weight problems and and i had really bad nutrition for a while but i i i I think, you know, gut health was something affected by this stuff.

So, yeah, within the past couple of years, especially last winter. And, you know, I did, I actually, I did a ceremony with a friend, dear friend, back in August of 2020 with some San Pedro. and that was an interesting experience and it sort of helped propel me into what I've been doing the past two years. One of the things I left there with was a note saying, I am doing it. And I posted that on my monitor. And at the time, you know, I was still working at Home Depot and I was doing some video editing and I just built my computer.

Candice and I built it together. But I wasn't making money and I didn't really have a great plan. But I was just, well, I guess I'm going to do it. So that was a mantra that I stuck with. But there were lots of ups and downs. And you could ask my wife, it was not easy. It's incredible how that stuff,

kind of there are these waves and you start reducing it the doctor doesn't really help um it was like pulling teeth trying to get the doctor to help me with the plan to to ramp off or something and uh yeah it you notice these some subtle things and and i i used to be um just i felt like this this over sensitivity to the stuff and maybe that's because i wasn't out you know working enough or or doing doing hard stuff enough but you know i was working i was doing things i was trying to i had gone through a journey of you know really really being down and out and difficulty with substance abuse and including pharmaceutical medication and and then kind of getting out of that and getting control of of my my health and my diet and learning things along the way but

but still was really struggling with some things and and um yeah so in the past year um winter when last winter definitely really kind of got down um and yeah some micro doses of of psilocybin helped me immensely and and and really helped me with uh creativity to an extent but it's it's more of a like you described this uh this friend that developed new pathways in the brain i mean i feel like i can i can feel that especially like becoming one with a computer sort of like uh warding off uh tangriness we call it you know being angry with technology there's something about the the mushrooms that seem to help and I know that's definitely a thing in like computer nerd culture and old school programmers they're definitely like you know speaking with the mushroom a little bit

but I also want to address like I think I think we have to be careful because uh and I don't know if it was no agenda or something else I was listening to recently but it's like all of a sudden big farm is kind of getting getting pounded and um There's this sort of revealing and now there's this good research and and and Johns Hopkins. I mean, kudos to them for doing it. It is Johns Hopkins. We got to keep an eye on them, I'd say. I think there's a danger that people, it's like with the legalization of marijuana, stuff becoming readily available.

and sort of push in the culture. I think, I feel like there's a danger of it being popularized and sort of put out there and used as a way to kind of pacify people. And that's if, that's if people allow themselves to be pacified by it and aren't on a spiritual journey or a journey of elevating consciousness and are just kind of pulled into the idea of it, the idea of, you know, tripping balls or whatever. Like now we, you know, it's like, I hope you get what I'm saying. So it's like a balance thing. Like this, this is great. And I, and maybe it's not necessary for everybody, I think, but there are many of us that

obviously we have benefited from from this. But it's a, it's a self journey. And we have to be, I think for some people, yeah, maybe getting help from experts with that is important for others. I think it has to be a self-directed journey. And, you know, this ties to what we've talked about on the show or what Rich and Tony get into. And they're much more well-versed on this than I am. but the the seeming sort of origins of of religious practices and religious rights and all the symbolism with the Vatican and the Pope and you know the Liberty Cap the stuff is sort of encoded in a lot of our mythology and religious practices.

so you know rich jokes about Jesus being a mushroom and I you know I don't know if that was Terrence McKenna and obviously you know go check out some I wish I could tell you which ones but it just comes up now and then the Grand The World podcast it's I think there's something there to these entheogens

and a communion with God or higher power that one encounters and you have to be you have to be careful and I think you have to I don't know yeah I've definitely benefited from some micro doses and and every now and then a larger dose and I know you know I um but I don't I don't I don't see that it's like something I have to do forever. It's, it's not, uh, I'm open to, to feeling like I've, uh, like I can move past that, but, um, it is, it is a tool, uh, it seems, is a tool that, that seems to be beneficial. Man, that's really well said. I got a lot. I want to touch on that, but first we got a comment from the very beautiful kind,

Or Will Huxley here. This young lady tells us, used for pharmaceuticals instead of its intended use, I definitely do not want government weed or mushrooms. I wonder if LD felt the numbness of emotions with SSRIs. Is that something you felt? Absolutely. Absolutely.

What was that like? What do you mean? Like you felt that, what does that mean numbness of emotions? Well, just a disconnectiveness from feeling. And, you know, I guess men in general, we were less in touch with our feelings than women. So, you know, finding that communication and balance in relationships is already a challenge. But when you have something that's kind of blocking and getting in the way and making that even harder, it's tough.

And so, yeah, you could ask my wife about that something she would come. comment on often and I think she would say that it's gotten better and and I'm still you know I'm still on a journey but it's been changing for the better but absolutely Huck so yeah you're right on the money there yeah it's you know in some ways her comment makes me think about the another problem with SRIs that I've never thought of before. If it's for depression, why would you take something that makes you feel alienated?

It seems to me that numbness of emotions is definitely something that would alienate you. If you can't feel closeness, if you can't feel love, I guess maybe the thought is that, well, if we can cure the anger, if we can cure the depressive thoughts, they don't talk about curing all the other,

curing, they don't cure anything. But I mean, if they loosen or they numb some of the depression, I guess they're, saying it's okay to numb some of the love or numb some of the stuff but it just seems so alienating sure and it's but it's not addressing underlying causes is not getting to the root of things and it's I think it contributes to stunting emotional growth um obviously and you know this is something rich touches on often with the the prolonged adolescence delayed delayed delayed delayed

delayed, delayed growth. And, you know, people used to go through rites of passage at an early age. Yeah. And, you know, I have a new friend that I've been hanging out with that's, he's an author and a marksman. And, you know, he, in his view, he's like, you know, get a, I forgot I always said it, but, you know, at a certain point, a boy's ready for a BB gun. and then you give him a 22 and then you know by the by the time he's 12 or something you know he should have a you should have a good rifle and it's something along those lines but so that that is is an example firearms teach responsibility because you have to respect it you have to

understand how it works and you have to be very tuned in to your surroundings and your actions because firearm is a way of projecting your will at great distance instantaneously. So it's, you know, that's another thing that, like, not wanting people to grow up understanding firearms is a way of delaying growth, of delaying a rite passage. And robbing people of that experience, that opportunity to, to learn. responsibility and oh gosh i forgot i was tying that back but uh well yeah just writes the passage and delayed prolonged adolescence that's that that was the main main point there yeah it's well put i'm going to backtrack for just a moment and you brought up a lot of good points about psychedelics and i find myself falling into this trap sometimes of that psychedelics are a panacea that are

going to cure a lot of things. I really like them, but that's not true. They're not going to, they're not a panacea. They may help a lot of things, but with everything that is helpful also comes a diet of destruction, because things can be abused. They don't have to be addictive to be abused. That being said, you know, I, that being said, let me take a page out of Rich's, Rich's book and present some books here for people to think about. Everybody knows about Brave New World. And in Brave New world people take soma whenever they get stressed when they're mad it's like this panacea of emotional management that people take soma there's a book called soma and it was about the aminita mascara and it's about the substance that they took in the bagavad geta like this this great drug that helped

everything and that's probably where huxley got it from however while everybody knows about the book brave new world there's another book that was written by Huxley called The Island. And in this book, The Island, it was a book about a different kind of utopia. And I hesitate to use the word utopia because it was actually this small, knit group of really intelligent people. And on the island, you know,

I know I'm kind of jumping around, but isn't it weird that in the book Brave New World, the lead characters who cause all this trouble, they get banned to an island. And now there's this other book called The Island. And on the island, they use mushrooms. And he talks about how they use it for kids at the age of 12 to go through rights of passage. He talks about how they use it to be in communion with the world.

And it gave me a whole different perspective on Huxley. Like I still see him as a social engineer that comes from a long line of people that want to shape the way the world works in a specific way. But reading the book, the island, allowed me to see the other side of his thinking. You know, it was like, here's how we're going to live. And if you look at the way in which he deemed the elite should live, it seems to me that should be the way everybody should live. Maybe there's a problem there with education. Maybe there's a problem with people, you know, that they don't want, the useless eaters, whatever the heck that means. Like, I can understand how in some societies, maybe when it gets too big, you can't have all the things that you wish your society

could have. But I wanted to bring that up on the topic of mushrooms before we move forward. I do think it's important to note that a lot of the work that is being done, it can be used for nefarious reasons. You know, and especially if we allow big pharma to come in and start manipulating it the way they've manipulated the current set of vaccines or, you know, and We allow the substance that helps us to become commercialized into a means of profit, something that's only for profit right there. So I wanted to address that again. But I wanted to also talk about rights of passage.

I'm glad you brought this up. It seems that one thing we could do to move our society forward is return to some rights of passage. You know, in some of the South American continents, the women, the young girls have Kinsenegeras, where they become a woman. and there's these different things that are still out there. But for a man, there really is no right of passage. You know, it seems like maybe beating some video game or something like that, but there's no real community around a rites of passage.

And I like what you said about firearms. Firearms are a way to teach men the way they've been taught as hunters back in the day. Like, look, you're responsible for your family. You're responsible and you're a killing machine. You have the ability to kill, to murder. and you must understand, you must integrate these into your system. You know, what are some other things you can think about when we talk about rites of passage? And well, and just to touch on that, that you're echoing Jordan Peterson there, I think, with the,

how did you put it, you know, just a beast, recognizing that, I don't know if that's the phrase he uses, but recognizing that you have the potential to be a moment. monster but you can control it and then you harness that. So I just want to express that. But other other rights of passage, I mean, well, yeah, let's say food. And I think this, you know, I was I caught a little bit. I was listening to one of your previous episodes where you guys are talking about death, death and acceptance of that are going through death and ritual.

And so, you know, I'm hanging out where I am. And by the way, I don't have a ranch. I'm just privileged to found myself hanging out on one and making myself useful and enjoying the benefits of being in a community where they're very conscious about the food production. and you know it's it's it's pretty clean eaten and there's raw milk down the road and you know fresh eggs and and and bison slaughtered on site and um the food thing like you know we've got uh we've got a friend j noon um that we're helping to produce a course here about like dopamine rewiring and and you know instead of giving your kid screen time

You have them pick eggs. You have them feed pigs. So that's for Jay, his perspective, it's like that's an early right of passage. Like, you know, I think two years old, his daughter was, well, even before that, he just, you know, he had her in a carrying her on his chest. You go out and get the eggs and she's observing all this. And pretty soon she's able to walk and she's doing it herself. and then she moves on to, you know, mixing up yogurt and stuff, feeding it to the pigs and to the chickens.

And so there's a right of passage right there, learning how to take care of a creature. And then you're going to move along to where you've got to slaughter that creature that you've raised and taken care of. And you've got to take it to life. and you have to accept that and give thanks and take in that that that that food and nourish your body and I think that's a powerful right of passage there people that grow up on a farm or just more closely connected to their food supply death is not such a scary thing I think it I think you learn

I think that you learn there that the death is a part of life, the cycle, and it's something that can be dealt with and talked about. Obviously, you know, people, loved ones is different, but I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there. I think that that is beneficial. I think that that helps us just stay grounded and not fear death so much. What do you think? Yeah, I think that's really well put.

I like the idea of the introduction of rights of passage at all ages. You know, maybe there should, you know, maybe that's what birthdays should be. They should be a celebration of a right of passage. Hey, you've made it. You know, in Hawaii, there's a big celebration for the first birthday. And coming from Caucasian acres where I lived in, I move out here and there's just so many different cultures that I learned so much. And I'm like, wow, I don't understand.

Why does everybody have a birthday party for the first year? And it's because so many kids die before the first year. When a kid makes it to the first year, it's like, okay, now we can all take a collective deep breath. Oh, we made it. Yeah, let's celebrate. You know, chances of that child dying now are a lot less than they were. And that in itself is a riot of passage.

And I, you know, it's interesting. I'm wondering if when you. you went to South America, you learned some of the same things that I'm learning now, is that the way in which the rest of the world lives, and by rest of the world, I mean the world outside of gigantic cities, the world outside of Western culture. I'm wondering if you got to see, for me, it's almost like a look back to how our country probably used to be with an extended family where everybody lives together. In California where I lived, when I was 17, I was like, okay, I got to get out of here, man.

I'm never going to get a girlfriend if I don't have a car. I'm never going to get a girlfriend. I'll live by myself. I'm a loser if I live with my parents. You know, there's all this crazy just garbage in my head about what I should be in order to be perceived as someone worthwhile. And it's amazing looking back at like how I had all that in my head. And you should think about how it got it in your head.

But when I came to Hawaii, I've noticed that there's like this giant, you know, extended family. So you have, and I think this may be common for other parts of the world when my traveling, I've gone to Mexico. I've spent some time in South America. But I see this same idea of a family unit where the grandparents and the parents and the kids live together. And there's so much wisdom a grandparent has. There's so much wisdom a parent has, especially when you find you're a new parent.

When you become a new parent, you realize you don't know anything. You don't know nothing. You know, and you give your kid to your mom or you give your kid to your grandparents and you're just like, how do they know all this? And back home, when we're so separated, we have decided, at least in the West where I came from, that we're going to privatize the jobs. The old folks, your grandparents are going to go to a home, the parents are going to go to work and the kids are going to go to a school.

And you guys are never together. You're always working. You're always doing something. But it seems to me that that is the very foundation where we, you know, we're going to that is the very right turn where we went wrong. Maybe not 100%, but when I look at the families here, there's so much more intact,

there's so much more love, there's so much less hatred towards the self, it seems like to me. And I'm curious if you have found something similar when you travel to South America. I definitely, I think I definitely observed that. I was only down there about three months.

but yeah i know what you're talking about and i was just thinking you know we we have like these constructed rights of passage and uh you know it's it's like americanism or global homo if you if you will global global homogenization the exportation of this culture creation where yeah it's like you move out of the house you get a fast car get it well you got to get a job first um nothing wrong with getting job but uh right you know it's like you get a job at a fast food place like you flip burgers or whatever like and there's nothing wrong with that i'm agreed the the point is like uh you could you could be doing lots of different jobs but lots of different jobs are are kind of closed off because well minimum

wage you know you're you um they're forced to pay you a certain amount so you can't get in and just make a little bit in exchange for the value that you have while you increase your value over time but yeah just you know pop culture and fashion it's all like these are these are the kind of the touchstones or the the benchmarks for for our development over over time versus yeah practical practical skills that are tied in with a family unit unit like you're describing and you know that where I'm hanging out there's there's a community here that they've got like three generations now of kids um I mean you know the kids now are like a third generation that have been raised right there

and they're they're doing farm work and you know dairy operating dairy and um yeah it's a It's a different vibe to put it one way. But yeah, it's just, it's like, it's a different atmosphere than then you find Southern California. Right. Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I think maybe that's the difference. One of the main differences between the city and the more rural areas is that there is a close, there's a different understanding of what a family is.

And when you put two people from those different cultures, because it is two different cultures, you know, if you have someone that's on a farm versus someone that's in a city, we're all people, but we have two different understandings of the family unit. And I think that the people that live on a farm are more closely related to the land. They're more understanding of,

hey, if I want to eat meat, I'm going to have to kill Betsy out here. And that's okay because it's why we raised Betsy. But when you look at the way in which someone lives in a city, it's so automated and it's so, you know, almost synthetic the way in which we live in those places. And it takes you, it takes you away from the land. It takes you away from being grounded. And so I see that similarity between people who live in, and I guess maybe Hawaii is a lot like a farm. Obviously, there's big cities, and you look at places that are not as industrialized. And I guess this kind of gets us back to the Prussian school model, right?

We can just take this thing full circle back to education. Education leads one to live a life in one of these synthetic cities, and they've trying to do away with people living out off the land and being self-resilient. They want you to be dependent on the system so that you'll work for the system and continue to perpetuate the system instead of working for yourself. Does that sound accurate? What do you think about that? Yeah, you're right on the money. And you're echoing what I said about specialized jobs and just kind of being okay and reliant upon a whole bunch of systems that you're not really aware of and you don't have to think about. You don't have to think about it, dude.

Yeah. That's funny. Most people, nicely, nice pull, nice pull. Oh, no,

I threw off my flow, but, uh, that was, no, you didn't. I, I,

uh, uh, geez. Yeah. Um, oh, geez, what were,

what were you saying, though, about, we were talking about, uh, education system. Education and how it echoes the, uh,

what we're learning and, living in the cities versus living on the farms yeah well and i was going to you know i was going to mention ernie hancock that i've been hanging out with up here and his his whole occupy the land hashtag occupy the land thing and i came up here to to help him build a geodesic dome build multiple domes and um but it's not really about the domes domes domes are awesome and he's been he's been building domes for years uh but his his thing more so is is showing what can be done with, you know, a limited amount of resources,

but working together with people and you know, you gotta spot of land and you can throw up this structure. So it doesn't have to be a dome, but he is, they're leaving tomorrow, he and Donna are headed back to Phoenix, it's getting cold up here, they're ready to get out of town, but he is all revved up because they're going back to Arizona, he's gonna find a piece of land,

He's going to throw down and start building a house. But, you know, he kind of wants to make a thing out of it. And, you know, it's like, I've got my land. I want to do what I need to do. Leave me alone. I'm going to take, I'm going to take care of myself and mine. And yeah, it's the opposite of, because, you know, he said, they want you in a van down by the river or in, in the shoebox.

I mean, look at that, look at that city that they're building the line, the line in Saudi Arabia. Have you seen that? I haven't seen it, no. It's just this, it's like the height of the Empire State Building. And I don't know how wide, you know, maybe a couple of container ships wide, just this big glass strip for miles and miles and miles. and you know they want to put nine million people in this fancy looking box and I'm sure that's all well and good but you know you probably got to abide by certain rules and you know I guess if you don't want to you walk out the door good luck you're in the

middle of the desert so yeah I mean clearly like you know you'll own nothing and be happy. Everything's moving towards a rent, you know, rent services rather than own things. And the food, the food system is under attack. I think that's been very clearly documented. A lot of these food processing plant things in the past year, especially. It's just not an organic thing that's happening. I'll refer to No Agenda Podcasts one more time. Adam Curry talking to this guy Texas Slim pointed out like these these facilities have sprinkler systems for insurance purposes you don't have fires that burn down facilities like this like they go out they're put out I could be wrong but you know it there's a whole lot of things

happening and it seems to it just so that they're trying to to steal the wrong to real and sells the fake as James Evan Pilato often says so you know they're going to they're trying to turn facilities like that you know into GMO garbage slop food facilities and unfortunately a lot of people are going to they're going to lap it up and I don't know we have to we have to get the word out to more people that's that's something I'm I'm really passionate about I want to I keep talking to people about raw milk, raw dairy. I think so many people that don't understand the deception there and the issues that are caused by that whole system.

And yeah. Yeah, I thoroughly believe that we are in a fight for abundance versus scarcity. And the people in positions of authority want there to be scarcity. When you're in scarcity, you have a scarcity mindset. and you're scared and you're reactive instead of proactive. But the truth is, like, and when it comes to food, you know, I think that, you know, when is the last time you saw multiple planes hit multiple food processing plant? Like, that doesn't happen.

You know what I mean? And I could see how some of them, I bet you some of them are being, without a doubt, I'm sure they're being pressured to either quit through regulation or sell. And that's, I think some of the fires are those own people like, okay, you ought to set this thing on fire tapy insurance money because I'm going to go under anyway. But I do think that when you see like the Gates Foundation buying all the farmland, when you see people in Australia and the school students already eating all these bugs, I think they're setting up a false choice of like,

okay, you don't want to eat the lab growing meat, then eat the bugs. You can have your choice, you know, like this illusion of choice. But yeah, you know,

you can see this idea through the mindset of business. They call it like a blue ocean strategy. We're going to create a whole new, new world of business that we can exploit. And it starts by getting rid of food. It starts by privatizing all the water. We're going to privatize everything and then we're going to run it. And I don't, my sister investigates corporate security fraud and she cut her teeth on Enron. So I paid attention to that whole Enron scandal, especially being from California. Excuse me. And in California, what they did is they would have these rolling blackouts.

but it was it was the power companies that called the power companies were called and told hey we need you to shut down the grid because of an overload even though there wasn't an overload they were shutting down the grid when it was at peak times because that was when the corporations were losing the most most money so now that they have been almost completely privatized in California you could put a grid you could put the two grids together or a a graph that shows what Enron did versus what PG&R are doing now or what all these companies are doing now. And I bet you they would line up perfectly. We've gotten away from the idea that the government funding, I'm not a huge fan of government, but I do think that when there's not a profit motive involved, when government is managing our resources, there's no need for profit. So they can have people drive 1,000 miles or 400 miles to go check power lines where a private company doesn't want to do that because there's no money involved in it. A private company wants to shut down people doing their wash at 3 o'clock because everybody does it at that time. They want to

shut down your water supply at this time because everybody's doing it. They don't want to waste everything because they have to go out and repair it. They look at it from this small-minded, profit-driven model. And the same way we're privatizing resources in California, that's the model for the rest of the state. You can see it happening. And I think that that is this idea of scarcity. Like, you know, we don't have to live in scarcity. We have the ability to live in abundance. And I, I wish more people would adopt this idea of we can continue to grow responsibly instead of having to take this Malthusian angle of just getting rid of half the population and getting rid of people and designating them useless eaters. And I'm curious to what you think about, how do you see

if you could give me two ideas. One is a, if we continue to go down the road, we're going, in your mind, what does the future look like in 10 years? And if we were to change things, how could the future,

how could it look like in 10 years? If you'd give me a negative side and then a positive side. Ooh. Well, first of all, you just keep echoing stuff that Rich, Rich goes through in the autonomy course, and you probably,

I'm not I'm not I mean it's not an accusation I understand exactly what you're on the same page man yeah it's like you've been through the autonomy course but um wow 10 years I mean I think I think things could get pretty rough I think things are going to get a lot worse than uh yeah before they get better and hopefully not too bad I I hope I hope nuclear war. I hope that isn't a real option on the table. I mean, I question how,

how, you know, I think it's just used as a fear, a fear tactic. And like you're talking about, scarcity mindset, like that's, that's something we have to unlearn going through the autonomy course.

Well, there's a whole, there's a whole bunch of vectors of attack to keep people in the scarcity mindset. So you're right on the money with that. And I think that's going to continue. continue and I think the fight now you know obviously we're in a fifth generational warfare where the the war that you know we're I think we're in a civil war it's been going on a while

and and it it crosses borders even I think it's it's bigger than than just this country and thinking you can north and south that that kind of thing it's it's very messy and yeah we i don't know we have we have an opportunity to to push back to transmit these these broadcasts try to get people's attention and at the very least give them something down the road a time capsule to help make some sense of how we got to to where things are um yeah ultimately I don't know, I think humanity is going to win out on the anti-human agenda. I do think it's going to be a bumpy ride and people need to prepare accordingly, but that doesn't mean living in fear.

And it doesn't mean, you know, living in despair or having despair at all. Yeah, I agree. I think that, you know, after talking to you for a while, it confirms this idea that I had that people, first off, let me start this particular thought by saying that suffering is growth. I believe that the purpose of tragedy is because there's a force bigger than you can imagine that has decided that you are strong enough to go through this thing and then come out the other side and help other people. I think that that is what tragedy is the purpose of tragedy. And I know that a lot of people who find themselves in a tragic event always ask themselves, why, why me?

And that's the answer. At least it's a good mindset that if you find yourself in a tragedy, if you apply this mindset, it'll totally help you. So I hope people will apply that. And that's my firm belief in that. What I have been confirmed by talking to you is that people who have had or struggled with depression are usually some of the deepest thinkers that I meet because they spend so much time suffering. They spend so much time asking themselves the difficult questions of, oh, God, is this me? Fuck, I hate this. And like, they don't, they can't run away and hide in something

else. They must face that question. And that's what seems to lead to this depression is that you're constantly asking yourself the most difficult questions possible. So when I speak to people who have had depression. I'm always amazed at their level of thought, the way they choose words, the way they're careful choosing words, the way they're careful with their thoughts. Like, I think that in some ways, depression makes the best philosophers out there. And I just wanted to tell you, thank you for having a conversation. And before we continue to move on, I just wanted to get that out there. My pleasure. I'm enjoying this. And we didn't plan on any of this. And I, yeah, I, well, speaking of philosophy, I mean, I, you know, I've, I'll admit I need to, I need to study more.

Like, I haven't, I haven't ingested all of Tony's. Yeah, his logic course. Philosophy material, but, but I have certainly learned along the way and working with him and Rich. And, uh, I'm excited, you know, Jay, Jay Dyer is doing his philosophy course. We had week one last week. and I'm going to be helping out with the production on that. So I look forward to getting into that because I have gotten a lot of value from his perspective and his material over the past few years with regards to philosophy. But I need to dig a lot deeper, but you're helping me realize that the potential I have for that.

And I appreciate people tolerating sometimes my, my, delivery is stuttered and you know I'm not I'm not claiming to be a deep thinker but but I think recognizing the capacity for for that and I need to cultivate that a bit more and work on my working my speaking public speaking I could do that I think everybody can do that like it's difficult to I think it was Christopher Hitchens who said he who develops himself as a public speaker and does it well must never will never will never have to sleep or dine alone but yeah i yeah exactly you know i'm curious to get your thoughts on this overwhelming blanket of propaganda that's just being pushed out there through the whether it's talk radio or it's television or social media

even. It just seems like it's been ratcheted it up to like a 12. For me, one of my biggest pet peeves right now, or in the last couple weeks, was this idea of who blew up this pipeline. And they give you this false choice of like, was it Russia or was it the U.S.?

Was it us? And people don't understand that by saying it's us, you automatically implement everybody. It's not us. We didn't have anything to do with it. You know, it's a loose conglomeration of multinational corporations and family offices and maybe some, you know, some hedge funds or something or some sort of other nefarious characters. But it's not us.

It's not us as a nation. And I wish people could begin to see that we are not the America that you were taught in school. And in fact, we've become this sort of puppet for the British Empire, or we've become this puppet for the British Empire, or we've become this puppet for multinational corporations and stuff. What is your take on the propaganda out there and what do you think are some things we can do

to help people see through it? Yeah. Rich often says the U.S. is just like the property manager for the British Empire. We're not really one of the overt crown colonies, the crown countries, but, you know, we're sort of acting like one on the down low without

without truly understanding. To answer your question, if I could share my screen. Yeah, please, man. I think so. Because I came across an interesting article last night. And all right, do you have to drag it in? There we go.

Yeah. So, here I'll go to the original. Okay. because I'm so I don't know if you've come across jinx on Twitter I haven't no I'm excited to do this video editor okay let me see if well there's a particular style of editing let me see I think he he he just got he's constantly getting banned on a on Twitter All right, sorry. I'll share, I'll find something later, share with you,

maybe some of the audience is familiar, but have you seen this ghost in the machine clip that the Army put out? No. We can play it. I mean, it's a few minutes long, but, and then we can talk about, yeah, what's. It's a great idea. I mean, yeah, it's three minutes long. This surfaced a few months ago, I think we played it on, later on the show.

It's very well made. Look to quoting Sun Tzu. So he uses this cartoon character from the 1920s. He was pulling the strings in horror. The peaceful pro-democracy demonstration in China comes to a violent and bloody ant. Mr. Gorbachev tear down this war. He was pulling the strings. Wolves hiding nearby

Whispering do or die Around me You say There is another very important phase of warfare It has as its target Not the body But the mind of the enemy The target of psychological warfare

Is against the enemy's mind It is words and ideas Ammunition used by fire war. Its mission is to influence the thoughts of the enemy soldiers. And at the same time, is expected and encouraged to study foreign languages and the social sciences such as history, economics, and sociology. He must have a broad and sympathetic understanding of all phases of human experience. Gripping at my skin, the walls of night closing.

But the use of this force as an integral part of combat has now taken on new form. We are everywhere. Wow. So that's obviously brilliantly made piece of propaganda that was put out on the Army's YouTube page. There's no credit given to it. So I found this article last night, Army tries in-sell marketing. And in this article, the author mentions that, you know, It'd be really hard to put out that video

and not take credit for it. It's obviously somebody very talented or a team of people. Yeah. And they point out the Joker trailer. I guess I'm not sure if I've seen the trailer, but apparently, you know, I'm familiar with the Joker symbolism and sort of,

They're tying it to, I suppose the media kind of ties it to in-cell culture, right-wing, extremism now as well. One of the points in the article is that it's unclear, like, is this a message? Is this just a threat itself or a sort of fear us? look we're everywhere and uh you can come be a part of it like what's this this is cool because apparently there've been some lengthy discussions in 4chan chats and stuff like that and then people are just like well we actually don't give a fuck but it looks cool and or are they desperate to to get people involved and um at the end of the article um so these It says, it closes this way.

So these young guys could be effectively duped by good marketing only to find themselves truly in clown mode, glorified customer service intake specialists on the front lines of the clown empire, the Joker was born to destroy. The enemy whose mind the army controls may not be a foreign entity, but the targets of the recruitment campaign themselves.

And I kind of skipped over it. Touches on earlier that, this article is fascinating. fascinating because it's from somebody who understands marketing and avatars and sort of a persona that you come up with. So it's definitely targeting a segment of the population that is now a target in the sense of, you know, a potential domestic terrorist threat. And I bring that up because, you know, we recently had. at Whitney Webb, sorry. And I brought to Rich's attention, you know,

what about main core base? And that was something that caught my eye. Ryan, Christian and Whitney Webb earlier this year were writing about the looming threat of domestic terrorism and specifically that the, that the war on terror is shifting from, you know, the Middle East boogeyman to right-wing, uh, white identitarian terrorists. And so when there was a promise software and Al-Qaeda, the base was developed. Um, there was also a main core base developed, which is sort of the list

for domestic terrorists. And I see, I think the article or one of the articles that Whitney or Ryan was writing about was that we've got this situation where we're sending Gob's money to Ukraine so our government is supporting a neo-Nazi supporting regime you know with Zelensky you know doing his Havanaigilo on the piano with his unit and what happens So this is me thinking what happens when we've got good, goodhearted individuals going over there and fighting on the side of these Azov Battalion, fighting on the side of neo-Nazis, fighting against Russia, what happens when they start to figure out what's going on? They lose friends. They make it back and they survive. Now they're battle-hardened and now they're questioning their government.

and now perhaps they're a threat to the continuity of government because that's what this is all about is preserving the status quo and making sure there's nothing that's going to disrupt that including people that are dissatisfied with how things are being run so it's like a built-in terror factory I see potentially um I hope not and So thanks for sort of going on that journey. I could have been a little more organized with that. But so to address your question, what do we do? Again, we're in a fifth generation warfare. And one of the things that stuck with me from Mark Passio is that he refers to Quigley

writing in tragedy and hope that the rifle was the equalizer, keeping tyranny at bay. and now while you know that's still true to an extent you know because eventually you know

an RPG or a tank is going to take out rifleman the personal computer is sort of the rifle of the 21st century in fifth generational warfare so everybody's being corralled

into these you know these devices fondle slab your black mirror your laptop your chrome book your iPad and there's all kinds of cool free tools you know gee whiz look what I can do on my device and but there's all kinds of hidden not opportunity costs but you know if the product is sorry if the service is free you're the product you know and it's all this this data mining so I think becoming literate and this is Passio again, literacy no longer is being able to read and write.

Literacy is knowing the tools of production of publication, and that is embodied in a desktop computer, a personal computer, and understanding video and audio and publication to websites, hosting websites. So I guess that's my long answer to what do we do. I think teach others and help others understand the power of being a producer. And this is something that drew me into Rich's autonomy course he would talk about. We have this input overload. We're overloaded by grammar, let's say, to tie it back the trivium. So how do you balance out? Like how do you, take your input and you organize it with the processing the rhetoric or sorry the the the logic and then how do you output that and become a producer with you know your rhetoric your output your output how do you move

from from consumption to production and I think it's through through learning the tools on the personal computer and And then certainly building a library, if you can, and having physical books to reference. So, yeah, I mean, I think we're experimenting it. We're experimenting with that right now. You know, Rich did the Peace Revolution podcast. He did, he's done many productions.

What you've been missing. He and Tony were trying to go for sort of news anchor kind of a vibe or that that kind of presentation and and they were also kind of struggling with the tools they had at the time and now struggling to you know to do what we're doing now now the tools exist thanks a lot to the gaming kind of the gaming realm and thanks to you know kind of to like COVID and the push to to get everybody doing Zoom meeting like that that stuff's gotten more readily available and and and upgraded and works better so now we we use those tools to broadcast these transmissions and and uh give substantive uh media out there to

people in the present and and hopefully in in the future and then i don't know what i mentioned jinks off to find some videos send send to you and um maybe you can have something in the in the in the show notes about it but it's he does get banned quite frequently so hard to pin down but but yeah like that's that's one approach i don't know that's somebody using the tools kind of demonstrated in that that cy war uh recruiting tool or propaganda piece or both and using it to tie a bunch of very seemingly disconnected footage together and and and in express within, you know, two minutes or less, a complex set of connections, you know,

whether it's about the Oklahoma City bombing or 9-11 or Mena, Arkansas, and President George H.W. Bush and Iran-Contra, concepts like that are put to music and presented in a quick format. And I don't know, for some that might be a turnoff, I think for some, especially, you know, know, Gen Z, TikTok, TikTok brains, I think it's a way to get their attention and draw them in. I could be wrong. And, you know, one thing I wasn't able to express quite clearly, but if you read that art,

it describes this, not a vortex, but it's an interesting thing going on where, I mean, you think about the media is the message and um marshal mcclou and yep and it's kind of a mind fuck like are we by making stuff like that um showing people this this horrific stuff are we contributing to like is that what the system wants for us to to want to destroy it because it seems like they're they're invested in riling people up and and showing off this is what we do and what are you going to do about it now now you're a target for us so i i don't know if you if that follows clearly um but i'll share the link to that article with yeah please for the show notes as well and maybe we can get some feedback from the audience but uh that that was a long answer that's a great answer man

Thank you for sharing that. There's a lot in there. I think that is a great strategy for people who want to make a difference. The first part is to understand that you can make a difference. You have all the tools you need to make a difference at your disposal today that 10, 5, even 5 years ago people didn't have. And you can make a difference. You might get banned here and there, but you start another account. And who knows what goes viral. Who knows what three months. minute video or 30 second video could change the mind of an adolescent that could grow up to be somebody that changes the world themselves. We do have the ability to paint pictures in the minds of other people. And maybe that's our job is to educate. And I don't, I think there's a difference between education and indoctrination. And when you take out the meaning, when you take out

the context, you're indoctrinating. But when you give people the context, when you give them the different understandings of what this could be and you allow them to make that decision, then you're educating them. You're allowing them to take in the information and make the decision that they think is fit. And I think that's a difference between a propaganda video and a video that speaks more truth, if that kind of makes sense. And I'm super thankful that you showed that video. And I'm super thankful that you've explained it the way that you did. I think it makes a lot of sense. And that is something, it's easy to get caught up in the fear porn. It's easy to get caught up in the idea of the black pill. We're like, oh, they're just

too powerful. We're all going to die. We can't do anything. But the truth is we, as our enemy, as the people in power grow more powerful, so too do we grow more powerful. And the only power people have over you, regardless of where you're at, what time. The only power people have over you is the power you give them. If you don't give them power, they don't have power. That's why laughter is such an amazing tool is because you can laugh at people and it just deflates them and stuff. But Lawrence, I'm super excited to get to talk to you today. And this has exceeded my wildest expectations.

Man, I'm really thankful. Maybe we can do a series where you come back often and we can continue to do this and talk. And it's really fun for me. So I could talk to you for another hour and a half, but I got a truck to go drive. So I have to get out of here. I'm grateful as well. And I really enjoyed it. I would love to do this again.

And we could talk about a variety of things. And yeah, I have a friend, too, that I'm talking with that has a little experience from the operational side of psychological warfare. and he's talked about doing a show and laying out sort of the grammar of bring him on let's do it yeah i'll uh yeah we'll come back to that but thank you so much george this this has been really fun and uh really appreciate the opportunity yeah well so what so before we go why do you tell people about the freedom united revolt and what you got going on there oh yeah that's a t-shirt store i saw you uh you uh you checked out the site um and uh bring can you can you see i got it right here there you go pop that up on the

screen boom yeah i've got a new shirt in honor of ernie hancock make a make you freedom's phoenix dot com and um um it's a it's a t-shirt store my wife and i started and rich throws a lot of ideas at me. But it really kind of started with this. I wanted to make a shirt that said I'm part of the control group. So it was an exercise in making that happen. And we've got somebody contributing designs and a variety stuff. To quote Ernie Hancock there, highbrow, highbrow humor, t-shirt designs.

But yeah, Freedom United Revolt.com. check it out that people got a lot of satisfied customers so definitely want more people to see that and uh well i want to do more with that i i i really love what ernie does with freedomsfenix com of course he's up on ipfs so he's he's got his uh you know parallel internet f u it's not going away it's mine um i i'd love to do you know maybe some publishing or at least linking to stuff. I do have like an allies page on the website that directs to a bunch of people

that I think are worth checking out. And yeah, that's it. And I produced the Grand Theft World podcast. You can check it out at grantfworld.com. We've got a community. There's a whole lot of value inside of there and ability to jump in and listen to kind of pre-show, post-show,

and listening in on the Zoom call. And we've got a bi-weekly town hall with Tony Myers, and Rich pops in sometimes, and I hang out from time to time. And it's a lively discussion, a lot of great minds, an opportunity to get involved. And, yeah, and season 8 of autonomy just kicked off. If it's something you've heard about

or want to know more about, you can check out Get Autonomy.Info forward slash ignite and it's not too late to jump in and get on a blueprint call and see if it's something that it could benefit your life. Yeah, I would recommend everybody check out the Grand Theft World podcast. I would definitely recommend going to Freedom United

Revolt, picking yourself up some gear to get people talking it's a great way to have people stop you out in public and start talking to you find like-minded people and um if you want to reach out is there a uh what's the best place if people wanted to reach out to you on the topic of producing or if they wanted to pick your brain about some of the things we talked about what's the best place to reach you at um yeah you can message me on on twitter at sub dialect sound um sub yeah at sub dialect like uh like dialect at sub-dialect sounds that's my my twitter handle i'm accessible there um and or if you know if if you're on discord you can find me um just i think it's just sub-dialect

on discord but yeah uh stay tuned i think uh i'm going to get something going here soon to get it get out in front of a bunch of people if they're interested um and and see what what I can help them learn. That's so awesome, man. I'm looking forward to all that you got coming up, and I'm looking forward to maybe doing a weekly or a biweekly show with you. And just, it's a really great conversation. And I'm stoked that you and the GTW team are out there doing what you're doing.

I think you're making the world a little bit better. And I really think people would enjoy listening to the content you guys have. You guys have a positive message. You guys have a great way of communicating to people. people that is not, you know, it's not, it's not overwhelming and people can take in the message and they can breathe in as much as they want to or, or they can learn a certain amount and then go away and then come back always, but it's such an inviting show. Lawrence, thank you so much for being here today. I really appreciate it. The links will be

in the show notes. Thank you to everybody who participated in the chat. We're super thankful to have you here and participating. We love everybody and we're looking forward. to building a better future and a better tomorrow. So hang out one second. I'm going to close the broadcast, but I still want to talk to you from. Aloha, everybody. Thank you.