TrueLife - Rangarajan Padmanabahn - Psychedelic Advicate P2

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

Todays we speak with Rangarajan Padamanabahn. We dive deep into the ideas of life, psychedelics and the results they produce e when used in harmony.

Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Hears through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Seraphene. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. On the topic of psychedelics too, do you see the monetization of it being a problem? Like sometimes I look at it and I'm like, man, these guys, they really want a patent set and set. They really want to patent this little one more molecule over here. And I guess you've got to have those dragons fighting to get what we're going. But it seems like a problem.

What do you think? It's a completely different thing, psycholics. And it's interaction with mental health. I do not, I don't know where it's going to end, but our primary capitalistic idea will not work. because it is not money driven because one of the things I realized after my experience was we are living in predominantly capitalistic and a consumeristic society and

you know you turn everywhere there are ads there are things that you know you want to buy your vacations you want to take and so on and on my psychedelics I've had the best vacation I've been to 15 places in my life not many places, 10 places, let's say. And since I was not present there,

those trips didn't seem anything. It felt good like I was able to share it on Facebook and get 100 likes. But what does that come on to? It's all, as much as the scrolling gives you dopamine, the likes give you dopamine, but it's just this thing. Again, you're not present to observe any of those. You feel good? You put some sugar in your mouth.

You feel energetic. You put caffeine. You feel active. Again, all these things doesn't have to be a bad thing. It's a tool or it's a harmful thing based on how we use it. Right. And your question with respect to, I really do not think I can, I have an idea about how money is going to interact with this. Because one of the things posts I've been seeing on LinkedIn is it's going to be difficult.

Really hard for Big Pharma to get into this because of the fact that usually the drugs that are there, it's a lifelong thing, you know? Yeah. You need a stream of revenue and how about you give just one dose, two dose and you get it for $10. How much are you going to sell it for? How much can you sell it for $1,000? $2,000? Let's say it's still happening. Retreats are priced at $2,000.

Right, right. I really am curious what is happening behind the screen. but what is different? Like, I get the same thing done in $10. Yeah. My house doesn't seem like a bad sentence thing. So what is happening here? I do understand we need sustenance and survival and so on.

But I feel like we are looking at from the wrong point of view in the sense that we have this established concepts and the way of life, right, at a base comfort level we are trapped into. Like, for example, I live in a house, which is two floors, which does his backyard and stuff because I have dogs. And that's a level of comfort. But if I'm going to do, get into psychilics with not much revenue for money, it's a compromise.

Do I want to let go of the idea of comfort or do I want to actually help? Right. Yeah. And at some point, you can find a compromise where this transaction is good. Yeah. But right now they are very far about because what revenue they can bring in is a little bit way behind our base comfort level, given the way life is happening in this century. Right. So, yeah, I'm just going to leave it like that because I have totally no idea of how the economics is working and so on.

And I don't want to get into it. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to think about it. I really, I really am thankful and I'm looking forward to. seeing what transpires. I think there's such good people on both sides of the argument. And I hope,

I know that some people that are starting clinics and have these things, they have really good intentions, and they probably have helped themselves and help other people, and they want to continue to do it and make some money doing it. Yeah. But I just see the fight. If I could add one awesome thing to the world of this debate, it would be that there's good people on both sides.

And ultimately, we should figure something out because we all want the same thing. It's going to be an exciting future. You know what? I want to keep touching on language. Like I am beginning to see the world as language. You know, in my book, I wrote this piece that talked about education. And I want to share it with you.

I'm just going to paraphrase it. It's something like, imagine a glacier on a spring morning, like the first morning in spring and the hot sun begins to melt the ice. And you see this little bead of water come flowing down. the glacier and it takes the path of least resistance. It takes the path that the water's been taking for the last 5,000 years. But that little water drop that if we could personify it doesn't know it's the first time, it thinks it's the first time making this journey, right? And so it goes all the way down and all of a sudden, it gets a cloud comes in front of the sun so the ice starts to melt again.

And the little water drop is in a pool and it's probably thinking to itself, oh, I'm stuck, man, I'm never going to get here. But what it doesn't realize when the time is right, it's going to be reinforced by another pool of water that comes flowing down. And you can, I look at my life, like, that's the kind of language I'm talking about. You can, you can see your history, your life, and your future in the world all around you. The same path that water drop takes on the glacier is the same path you're taking. It's the same path that a thought takes to be manifested. And you can see language everywhere.

And out in the garden, I just see the way the plants open up to the sun. And if you just take a few moments to watch that happen, you're like, look at this thing. Telling me the perfect angle if I want to plant stuff. Like that flower blooms there every season at this time. Like, how does this plant know how to do that? And it opens up like at a 45 degree angle. You know, it just blows my mind how much information is out there. And this gets me back to education in that for so long we believe, or at least I believe,

that you go to school and these people teach you things. But what I have learned is that knowledge isn't something you learn. It's something that's revealed to you. You know, and if you take, if you go to school, there's nothing wrong with going to school and learning, but understand that you're going to learn from a person who learn from a guy who knew another guy that probably did the thing you're learning about. You know, so this, in translation, it means interpretation. So whenever you're teaching me, I'm translating it and I'm going to interpret it somebody.

I'm going to lose stuff along the way. way. You know, I think that information is all, you could, right now, anybody listening to this? You could be the smartest person in the world if you just paid attention and let the information be revealed to you. It's out there. It's crazy to think about, right? That's the beauty of it, right? One of the things you said about our interpretation is going to change. It's a game of Chinese whispers. So if someone is not, I've never heard that before. Oh, Chinese whispers is the thing where, let's say a group of 10 people are, standing and the first person is um the first two people draw something and the second person

has to communicate it to third person by drawing and doubt the line the drawing is are so different i i'm shit yet explained that you can you can you can see a video of it so we have a thing called telephone we have we have we have a game called telephone we're like i just tell you a secret and then you tell secret about time it gets all the way around it's totally different but yeah drawing part is amazing yeah it's pretty much the same concept right yeah it is that is going to be when we interpret something, it's going to change. So when you say, if we paid attention, we'll get the knowledge, right? It'll be it itself.

It's true because here we are not trying to do the right thing. By communicating to people, we're not trying to get somewhere or get that right. Oh, this is my point. This is my goal for this particular talk. We're not trying to do that. See, I'm trapped in this body. I'm experiencing with this limited. sense perception and my words are just a tool to use communicate how I'm getting this experience.

I experience the same thing in a different way. So I'm just putting it out there. If no one needs to say they agree with or they don't agree or oh, it's the right ones. There is none of those. We all have our own interpretations to life and that's all there is. Coming back to your thing, Albert Einstein's quote, I was reading it last. week. I think I even shared it on LinkedIn. It was nice. I think 99 times out of a problem. I can't get anywhere. I just swim in silence. It comes to me. And do you know about Jidu Krishnamurti? A little bit, but tell everybody who may not be. I don't know how to describe people. So let's just say Jaddyukhrishnamorti. He's a guy I follow. It's nice. The way I think.

he was destined. I think he was he was chosen to be the Dalai Lama, right? He was equalent in other terms. I think he was chosen to do that and he just didn't want any of those. And he's a philosopher, I would say, and he says, if there is no problem that exists without the solution, if one truly understands the problem, they'll know the solution. So until then, we're just kind of like complaining and rambling about the problem. We're not. We're not actually paying attention to what it is. So all of these things if you see kind of points just to one place where like you're not doing anything. Don't worry. Same with musical composition stuff. Sit in silence. It'll come to you. You think about playing this particular tone. It'll never

fit the particular musical piece. You sit and rest are going to happen. You know, that's where we can never take credit for whatever is happening through us. It's just, you know, one of the things I have been believing for the last two years, especially things we say in words, books we write, like there is no way we can take credit for that because this idea of language took 10,000 years to develop, to come to this point of communication, right? So you have to give credit to 10,000 years of what?

That's 100 billion people and, you know, so many things. But by the time you give credits to everyone, it's pretty much like if you're going to give credit to everyone, you might not as well not give credit to anyone. And that the whole of evolution, the whole of history, the whole of everything is just God. That's how I perceive it. So when you say thanks to God, yeah, it's enough. It conveys the picture.

As long as the God is not the external figure who is just watching everything, it's like, oh, this is a bad guy. I'm going to kick him. You know? As long as we don't have the notion, I think God is a beautiful thing. You know, it brings me to the point, too. Like when you say we're clearly standing on the backs of giants, right? Like all the thing.

When you say people want to take credit for this idea or that idea. And like think about the world of patents. Like people pay so much. This is my idea. You can never use it. This is mine. You got to pay me to use this idea. Like that is so selfish.

Like could you imagine if we patent the wheel a long time? Go ahead. No one can use this. Like how many forms of energy out there? How many forms of how much better? How much better could the world be if everyone was allowed to improve ideas instead of just a handful of people clinging to like this? It's kind of gross in a way. Like, this is my idea.

You can't ever use it. I truly believe this. The person who comes up with the idea will never ever patent it. Yeah. I promise you that. You can just not because you know in the complete conscience that you did nothing. It came to you. Yeah.

It just comes. I don't know where it comes from. There is no stream. Like I cannot watch my thoughts, how it's entering. But it came to me. People like the guy who invented penicillin, penicillin, and I was reading some other things, some of the drug, the polio vaccine and stuff. He said, no, there is not going to be a pattern for this.

It needs to reach people. It's going to be as low cost as it can be, right? I think the SOC Institute. I forgot the guy's first name, but it was David Salk or something like that out of San Diego. I see. I think. Okay. And if you're able to steal idea from some person,

and then you're going to protect it. You're going to make it so precious. Because since you truly do not understand how precious the idea is, and it will become more precious by sharing it. You want to cage it and you want to convert it into money and stuff. And because in ignorance, we are going to think the external world is what we need to buy to be happy. But it's not going to be that. it's never going to be that.

I sometimes believe completely poor people not having the choice to do much, are much more happier because at the end of the day you realize all the money after having it nothing it's going to get you that is going to fill the void. So you go back to like choicelessly

observing, whatever, right? And then at least you start by saying whatever this is happening, right? Slowly you accept it and you start seeing, I mean, this is going to happen regardless of my choice and I'm not going to change it and it's not going to change. Is it a possibility I can enjoy it rather than complain about it? You know, but you have to sit with it. You try to change it.

You're always pushing it. It's coming back. Pushing it coming back. But if you let it sit, that it's a chance for truly accepting it with the whole of ourselves accepting an idea. It can be anything. Yeah. Right.

And you accept it. It goes on. But yeah, I deviated so much from the patent. But no, it's perfect. It comes to that. Yeah, I think there's something to be said about taking a thought like that and just looking at it from all angles. Like when you sit with something that's bothering you or when you sit with a problem or when you want to observe something, for me, when I sit in silence and I think about it, I feel like it's a, the thought is a thing. And I'm picking it up and I'm looking at it from different angles, you know, and I'm like, oh, okay, how would I feel if I was this person?

Like, I'll give you an example. Like some, one of my attachments that I hold on to is like, man, if I just had this bigger house, if I just had this, you know, and I realize it's a trap. And it's, but even the best of us, like I think that you get to live up here sometimes, but you're always fighting in these traps. And for me, that's one of them. So sometimes I'll sit around. I was at this, I was at an amazing party yesterday. And I was looking at all these people. And I'm like, man, these guys look at these people.

Look at these people. have so much, you know. And I go, I'm here too. I must have a lot. And then I see people that like, it looks like they have a lot. Like I'm like, that person is probably wearing $7,000 shoes. That is amazing.

Like, that's crazy. And then part of me is like, man, I wish I had $7,000 shoes. And then the other part of me just starts laughing. Like, dude,

do they own those shoes or do those shoes own them? Yeah. I start watching them react. Like, I start asking people questions. Oh, and then all of a sudden, like I see this couple.

I'm talking to them, beautiful people. And then all of a sudden, they just turn and walk away from each other during the middle of the conversation and it reminded me like these people are having problems like i'm asking them about their family and then i just see the husband turned to the wife and he just walks away because he didn't feel like he was part of that conversation so in some ways i guess i'm saying you can notice the language of people and what's really happening in their lives if you just pay attention to the situation and you look at it from different angles. I kind of rambled there too, but I think there's something to be said about

looking at situations from different angles and putting yourself in other people's positions and really getting to think about it from other angles. You can learn so much about life that way. And it's fun to do. In fact, sometimes I can get caught. Like, I'll just sit there for like, you know, people will be like, what are you doing? What? I didn't, you've been sitting there for like 20 minutes just sitting there. I'm like, oh, have you ever thought about what those people were doing? You can live other people's lives in your own head. You know, it's amazing. Yeah.

Which means you can read, okay, if you can do that, if you can live other people's lives in your head, you can also live your life a thousand directions. And when you begin doing that, you can serious. I had this experience a while back where I was, I went pretty deep. I went pretty deep like nine grams. And I remember just sitting in the bed thinking and it was like, I could see every decision. decision I've ever made and then play it out. This is how my life would look if I did this. This is how my life would look if I did this. If I would have done if I would have made that mistake, I would be over here. You know, and it's so fascinating what you're capable of when it comes to visualization and understanding. If you give yourself

the set, the setting and the time to understand it, like you can live such an amazing and rich and fruitful life with very little and it's much more rewarding. If you're just willing to take the chance and believe in yourself. Yes. It's beautiful. It comes back to time, right? Yes. We are busy not to give time. Like, I, having known meditation is good. Don't push myself to sit enough. Don't. And there are times I get guilty about it. And those I feel like are the chances where there is nothing to think about it. The only thing I can do is sit. There is nothing else to do at that point because whatever occurs in our conscience as like, oh, guiltiness or what kind of emotions, right? It's just asking you to do the right thing. At that point, there's no point in,

oh man, I did this, I did this, I did this. You're just wasting more time. Sit now. You might be done five minutes earlier, right? And the reason I'm trying to say that is sometimes life feels busy. It's like, I have to get these things done. You know, we have a running joke with my partner and I will be like, you have to get everything done and go up and like, watch something. And then it comes back. It's like, what are we trying to get done? Because the energy with which we are trying to get done, done, done, done, right? And finally we are sitting to watch something that becomes a checkmark.

We're just going to get watching the TV done. If you're not, if you really want to be present for life, you need to be present for every. single thing. That part is what I'm saying. Choiceless observation. Do not choose to go ruminate your thoughts and get out of reality. Our reality is so simple. We believe these five senses are that live according to the senses. The more you live according to the senses, that's one thing I've learned from the dogs. You're amazing. Like, you know, I go away for 10 days, 15 days. They don't sit depressed missing me. They, as well, long as they treated well by the person who's taking care of them, they are living in that

reality. They'll play with the person who's taking care of them. They don't go sit by the couch and like, man, those days were good. Now he's gone. He's never going to come back. None of those happens. You know, because one of the reasons, they do not have the memory capacity to go back and forth. I don't know the right words, but they don't have the memory capacity to do that. Second, it comes down to just living in that moment, that reality. Our reality is limited. We have to accept. Even though these cell phones and whatever stuff

makes the old world feel like it's reachable, it's not. It's not. It's a tool. The moment the tool goes, it's not. Same with psychedelics. Psychedelics are amazing tool.

You need to use it. I advocate for that. But that's not it. That's not the end game. That's not the end game. You have to come back to reality. You need to know what to do to change your everyday actions, these habit patterns, right? And for that, taking time off is necessary.

When you take time off and realize that you're actually not busy, it's a loop again, right? You're too busy to not take time off to realize you're not busy. So it's like, it goes around and around. And that's where suffering helps. The tragedy, the suffering, you'll just knock your head for a second where, you know, you don't know what to do. Eckart Tolle, he says that, He got to a point of so much suffering. He has been depressed for two years with suicidal tendencies. And just this one day, the suffering got too much. It just stopped.

The thinking brain stopped. Oh, it's nice. It doesn't have to happen like that for everyone. Few lucky ones. It does happen. But most people, it's just, it turns out to be a wake-up call. But it's up to you. The alarm will ring.

Either you can snooze it and go back to sleep or respond to it very positive. Yeah. I'm going to get up. Or I'm going to put in that. Yeah. Right. And with your thing for $7,000 show, I have it with a million dollars, million different things. Every day keeps coming, right? And that's the part. If you want to term it as waking up, it's not a one-time waking up. You're going to sleep. You're going to get up. You're going to sleep. You're going to get up. And it's going to happen.

I believe the progress is measured in ways of how soon you're able to get up. Yeah. Right. And I think the more you bring into your practice that when I am suffering. I tend to believe this. Whenever I complain about anything, I believe, even though at the point I don't know that I shouldn't complain, I believe, see, if I was on psychedelics, would I complain? If I was doing meditation, would I complain? I know there is a point of view in my own head that I would not complain. Yeah. So something is wrong. I'm complaining. Something is wrong. So look differently. It's hard because when the impulse gets to you, That's why sitting every day works.

It makes you respond rather than react. Some people may shout for 10 minutes, 15 minutes. Some people carry it for eight hours. Some people do it in a second. It's not like they don't get angry. They get really angry. They could break your facer glasses. They just get in touch with who they truly are.

Yeah. You know, our attachments will always be there. It's about, it's a game. It's like the fetch game, right? Please tell people the story about it. This is a beautiful story. Okay. Yeah, I saw that meme with the dog trying to say to the human partner that I'm going to dress up as human, try to live and see how your life is, because it seems more interesting and, you know, complicated.

So it stays as a human for 24 hours. And then it goes back to being a dog and says, I thought it was really interesting, but it's just a, a complex fetch game. That's so true, man. It's so true. And we realize that it's, we have to let go. That's what many people with their experiences try to say. Let go of things that doesn't want you because you can create rooms for things that actually want to stay with you.

And one of the reasons, we need to be completely honest, you know, we need to be completely brutally honest, having no fear of rejection. If we stop seeking approval and validation and if you're completely honest, regardless of the bashing we receive, we make space. We make space for people who are actually going to be there with that energy to share the journey. Because there have been so many days that I've not been this confident trying to say what I really think. Yeah.

And it has never gotten me anywhere. It's just a couple of hours of awkward party room discussions where, you know, yeah, how's it going? Yeah, he got this job, I got this job. This weather is good. That is going. You talk about, you know, did they say, right, weak people talk about other people, or average minds talk about even strong minds talk about ideas.

Yeah. I believe that it's only when we are completely honest. and we start saying like for example whenever i get a chance i like to make people uncomfortable by talking about death and yeah i realize have the people get uncomfortable and the conversation ends which is good because i want to start there because i i'm not here to give you a state of comfort i'm not pushing your boundaries or something it's not like i'm going to tie you to a chair and keep you know talking about it you have the choice to participate in the conversation this is what i am interested about this is what i want to

focus on same with you you're interested about it's it's same with music right like if someone is interested in old rock versus new pop music they they don't have to force themselves to grow to a concert together yeah you do your thing you know we can share other aspects of life together i love cooking with you i love doing this thing with you there are things where we can do things separately. That's the point we need to understand. And that way, we do not need to take offense. Oh, this is what you think. Beautiful. I just don't, don't see it that way, but it's good. Right? Yeah. As long as we do not try to enforce any sort of ideas. I want to talk about this, and that's it. Why do you think we want to, like, it happens all the time. I've been guilty of

it, and I think everybody to a point is, why is it that we feel so validated if we get other people to believe what we say. Like sometimes it seems like we're seeking approval and we can get that other person to agree with us. All of a sudden, we're like, yeah, yeah, I'm better. Or it seems like we're a lot of us, even through history, we've tried to push ideas on people. Why do you think that is? Yes. I was, as I said, I wanted to get into psychology. So I was reading first year psychology books and so on. And this was pretty much the main topic in the first 20 pages, I think. It is this self-fulfilling hypothesis or self-serving bias in which we without awareness, without understanding that is another perception to life, we think the whole world sees

the way we see it. So when someone says something else and we truly are opinionated in this idea, we tend to push other person because we truly believe, I am right, you're wrong. You're going wrong that you need to think how I think. Sometimes again from lack of awareness, purely thinking that the world will think the same way as we do. But that's that's the part. When we realize there are truly other perceptions that exist and everything and everyone is doing their best with their level of understanding and their level of knowledge and their level of speaking skills or whatever, right, these all make up. Everyone is trying to do the best.

No one is trying to go and make other people, you know, change. their opinions and stuff. There are in ignorance it happens. Again, when ignorance is there, I tend to believe the person is not existing at that point. So it's just happening. Things are happening. It's like a wall where you put the ball. You can predict the motion. You know, you put it from here. It's going to go a 45 degree. You put it straight. It's going to come back to you. Those are, that's what an ignorant person is like. It's a rigid system of beliefs and it's like a wall. When you're flexible, you need to be unpredictable. That's what it is, right? It needs to be unpredictable. There is a story I think in I read that this guy wants to change little, little,

little by little everything and he's given a boon by the god to be able to go into a dream and control things. So he wants, he starts changing things like, oh, I want a bigger house, I want this, I want that. And everything comes true, right? But life becomes desperately boring. he badly wants to get out of the dream after living for like 10 years or something. It's like, I know what's going to happen. Everything is going to be good. That's the problem. So it is this uncertainty and it is the chance of so-called bad things happening is what makes it much more precious.

It's much more. The feeling of aliveness comes when you do not know what's going to happen tomorrow. If you know for a fact that you're going to have some. something like, let's say you're going to win a lottery or you're going to have plans everything set for it, right? Even though it might seem good on the outside, it's not as exciting. It's in the hard work. It's in the fighting against something is where we truly live. Alan Watts said this beautiful line which I really like.

We tend to see fights as a bad thing, but they truly aren't. If we go one level below us, that is to our things inside our body, cells fighting with each other. Right? If some other thing comes and the white cells fight, it's quite important that there is a balance, there is a harmony. The fight has to happen in such a way that neither the so-called bad cells are the cells that are coming inside fighting white blood cells and winning. And the other is true as well. The white blood cells cannot grow in huge numbers and fight.

that's also bad. It's cancerous, right? Yeah. So that fight is quite important to maintain the harmony on a higher level as a human. And human to function properly, the fight is important. Same way with wars, debates and stuff. I do not condone war for a single second. I'm just saying in the tent that if you are able to fight on ideas, not with the idea to win, rather to enjoy the fight. Right?

Yeah. When we truly do that, it brings the harmony for the humanity as a whole. It's one level above us, which we are not able to conceive. For example, ants, they say when it becomes a huge colony, right? The colony intelligence is much more than the individual land. It's like that. We are not able to picture it for humanity, but it's quite important. We fight happily, fight honestly.

You know, just put it out there. this is what I am, you know, and take everything with a sense of humor. Like, there is nothing. I'm going to die, you're going to die. The ideas are going to die. I truly believe none of this is, how long can this last? Like, trillion years, trillion, trillion years. At some point, things will change, you know?

You're right. And at that point, at some point, whatever has been recorded is going to be lost. So who are you really being, like, what are we fighting for? When we truly sit and ask this questions, it's quite funny. man you're so relieving like man I've worn and all I was doing why I was it doing then it all comes back to like not knowing better yeah nothing lasts like nothing lasts yeah and sometimes when I think of Alan Watts I think about he said some I remember some limerick that he said that always gets me laughing it's like there once was a man who said damn for it certainly seems that I am a being that moves in determinate grooves I'm not even a bus I'm a tram You know, sometimes it seems like you're on this tram, man. Yeah. Like you're being guided.

You know, you look back and you're like, oh, that had to happen. I get it. I was on that curve over there. I had to go that way, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And one thing I think psychedelics kind of, I can say for all people, at least I'll speak for myself right now. It's just that there is no regret to any single activity that happened in my past.

Like, even the worst of the things that I would have. described at that point are crucial. Without that, what is it? I wouldn't be here. And now, as, as overused the words might seem, it's true. Like, there are trillions and trillions of activities happening synchronously and simultaneously that's just, you know, taking us here and there. That's one more, whenever I feel like I need control over something, I tend to think,

actually don't, man, there is no, we are just like the leaves that are blown by the wind. you might just enjoy the breeze and, you know, go at it. When I try to control, it's misery. When I let go, it's so peaceful. And I actually get things done when I don't want it to be done. Have you watched this new series, I think, Undone on Amazon Prime? I've heard of it, but I've never seen it.

What's it about? It's quite cool. It's just this person gets the ability to go in the past, change things and, you know, change realities. stuff. And we know, at the end of the day, she's going to choose this life. But in one of the scenes, the person who's guiding her says, try, but don't try. Try to not try. And that's all we need to do. I think about, let's say, I have dishes piled in my sink. I think about doing it, I want to throw everything. I don't want to. Thought is useless there. Thought is quite useless.

I go there. I start one at a time. It's magical. It's beautiful, right? The more I tend to push myself to be present with almost anything, there is nothing to complain about. Even during pain, it's about, yeah, the pain is there. Yeah. Pain is there. At some point, you know, you start numbing the pain.

That's the beauty of it. If you're able to focus purely on the pain, the pain, the pain ceases to exist. Or even though it exists, it's not your pain or you're suffering. You don't suffer out of the pain, right? One key thing that happened during meditation for me was that I think it's a 10-day course, Vipasana course. Have you heard about it? I have. Okay.

So, okay. So 10 days silent retreat where you do not talk to anyone and for first three days, you work on the breath. And then from day four, they go on to the process of Vipasana. It's just scanning your body. being there, being able to perceive sensations, because at that point you need to stay in touch with reality and the reality when you're closing out all your sense organs is going to be just touch or is it one tool they work with, right? So one of the things they say is that you have to it's a term called Aditana, a sitting of strong determination. So if you sit for one hour

settings, you're not supposed to move. Not a single bit. Not a single bit. You lock yourself in that position and I think the first 10-day course I went I just I fooled myself I moved you know a little little itching I'll do this and in fact pain I'm just gonna adjust and it feels good you know little adjustment gives like ha man what is this this adjustment I don't think my body notices right missing the point missing completely the point and when I actually started doing it oh after 20 minutes I think the pain gets terrible and then I have to sit with sit with it and itching is there here everywhere something is happening and you start to see how much

of these things am i missing on a daily basis because i'm constantly moving those are the distractions i'm creating you know um when when you're sleeping right goenka says this that when you're uh you're always reacting one of the examples he gives is that when you're sleeping at night and a mosquito bites you're not aware of it but you hit it right and how does that happen so that that that reaction that that's the control we need to get over ourselves right and i'm sorry for getting to the point but when we sit and keep watching the pain keep on watching what's the worst that could happen can it kill you so the pain will also die with it so what's going to happen when we get to the point i think we enter into a state of not trying to understand or change we are with it

you know, whatever you want to, that oneness, it's, we are so sometimes really funny as human beings. You see, we might tend to be, say that individuality and we are locked to this body and stuff, even that is not true because as much as our extension might be the phone and if someone breaks our phone, we'll get angry. We are truly not living throughout the body. We are just living in the small part of the head. And one of the things that I see from my eating disorder is that I don't eat with my stomach. Because truly I would need only this much food if I eat with my stomach.

But I'm eating with my brain. You know, the tongue touches the food. It's good. I'm going to feed more. I'm eating with my brain. How funny is it? So we're really not even true about one thing. We're not even limited to this body as such completely.

We're limited to a little bit of the part. And that part I would like to call ego. Yeah. Just purely hedonistic life. Yeah. It's so true. That is the attachment and just becoming aware. You know, you would say something earlier about the observer.

When we talk about waves and particles, we have seen from like Schrodinger's cat that just the level of observing, just by observing you change it. So if that's true, if we can fundamentally collapse waveforms just by observing them, like what does it mean when you observe yourself? Like you're fundamentally changing the way you act in this world just by observing yourself or any other person or any other situation for that matter. Like that to me is mind blowing. Just to sit and think about that one.

You know, it gets me back to what you said, try to not try. Like just think about it's so beautiful. It's like what's the sound of one hand clapping? We'll try not to try. I love those goons. It's to the point. where you need to think that you are convinced to start thinking.

Yeah. That's all. It's beautiful. I heard a good one. Can I share one with you real fast? Oh, definitely. Okay. So there's this samurai and he is his father was a samurai and he served the emperor and his father died in battle but before he died he gave his young son this family sword that has been in their family for generations. His great grandfather worked on it and it it is like the most precious thing that carries his family and his pride with him. And as he becomes a man, he serves the emperor. And he becomes one of the greatest samurai's ever. And he's always taken care of this beautiful sword.

And he plans to give it to his son one day. And as he's growing older, he decides that he has served the emperor. He has fought battles. But he doesn't understand heaven and hell. And so he rides out to the far canyon to find the wisest man. And after a four-day ride, he finally chances upon this old man in a garden. And, you know, the samurai being respectful gets off his horse and he walks up to the man. And he waits for the man to address him.

And he stands in the man's garden in his full samurai gear. And finally the old man looks up and he says, what are you doing here? And the samurai says, I've come, master, to find out the ideas of heaven. in hell. And he pauses. And the old man just stares at him. And he goes, someone like you, you will never understand. Look at you. You have this armor on and you ride up here on your horse. You think you're so good. And what is this sword you have? What a ridiculous, foolish instrument. Any man, any man that made that, any man that carries that is a horrible human being. And like the samurai starts losing it, even though he's been trained. And with the old

man goes, is that your, what, did your dad make that sword? That is so ridiculous. And at that point in time, the samurai has been so insulted, he grabs the hilt of his sword and he begins to unleash it. And the old man says, behold, the gates of hell. The samurai puts it back in. And he says, thank you, master. And he says, behold, the gates of heaven. You know, like, it's so beautiful, man. Like, if you could just take a moment to think about that, it's like, wow. It's anger. It's forgiveness. You know, like,

I love it. And do you, wouldn't it be amazing if you could live your life in a way where at the end of it, someone saw what you did and told a story about you that way? Like I think that's a great way to live your life. It's to try to be something like those co-ins. Like to try to give off that message without try,

without trying, you know? But I also feel like with, I, in ignorance, I think that's what I have been taught to do. Live life as a story to be told to others. And that is too strainedful, too stressful. Because now there is a story that you have to live up to, right? It doesn't, it limits you. Anything that is going to be, any attachment to any ideas is going to be presenting you.

Yeah. Right? It's, it's, you can use anything as a tool. Sorry, nice ring though. Yeah. It sounds like a phone. Yeah. Turn this off.

I don't know why it does this. Okay. Thank you. So any kind of thing we can use it temporarily as a tool and we have to let go. It's like sailing on the boat, right? If you are too attached to the boat, sure. As long as you're in the river, it's fine. The moment you reach the shore, if you drag the boat all over with you.

and you know, trek to the mountains. I would say that doesn't seem like a genius idea. So letting off that boat at the point. And if you're not going to come back, you don't even have to tie the boat. Right. And if you're going to come back, again, these are things. Like, you need to know what you're going to. I'm sorry, that they came out wrong.

You don't need to know what you're going to do. But in that moment, if you're just present and if you're, if you will see, It's one of the beautiful things you said, right? The water flows in the amount of least resistance. I think that's a very common thing among life forms, right? Humans as such, I feel like we tend to do things to make things easier. That's what we do. Why does technology exist, right?

Quicker, easier, comfortable, try to reduce it. Try to push ourselves to be lazy. Lazyness is not a bad thing. It's going to get work. It's going to get the work done. newer ways than we the established way will get work done for sure but the laziness

will drive us to find newer things like you know and if you are able to find at that point do we need this do we not need this for that presence is needed right if someone says the boat is the most important thing that you are going to need

the person is going to be attached to the board you'll never go to the people of the mountain, right? It comes down to things like that. That's small. But one, one has to go out there and question everything, question everything, you know, without the fear of being, and that's the environment we need to create because having been in India in a society where I'm not able to talk as freely about death and stuff, we need to create an environment where people can speak their minds. You know, half the time, therapy is one of those settings, you know, the therapist doesn't help the patient in any way.

as we think it's just it's at that point the patient goes to a point where they lose the barriers okay this is my safe space i'm going to get it all out as they get it out they kind of see it from a different perception right all the things that are being unsaid that's driving their actions are able to get out and then these are there are some therapies that help with that but now we have Our subconscious is beautiful. It's so powerful. It suppresses memories, right? That's what psycholics are doing.

That's what meditation are doing, right? It explores people having bad trips. The bad trips are showing this is what's happened. You're just holding onto it, right? Yeah. You just have to sit with it. You have to sit with it. I've had bad trips where for two hours I would have been thinking,

oh, I've gone crazy. I just wanted the trip to end so badly, right? And the frustration pushed me at a point of questioning, right? The curiosity, why do I want to end this? Why do I want to change this? You know, we need to be, the childlike curiosity is quite important. Once we become adults, I feel like we tend to become serious and we try to focus on things, you know? Yeah.

Like we are, there are set of things to do. Like, you have to get the house before the real estate goes up really much and so on. But we can ask the question. like do I really need to do that? Do I really need to do what is being done by billion people? And sometimes, you know, when the answer is no, it might seem like you're the misfit or something. But in those times is where books helps. When there is one guy saying that, oh, I did this.

Life is magically the way, don't worry, right? It gives the confidence. Like I've had so many of those books act as stretches at a point where I was, this close to giving up what I'm doing right now, which is being completely useless according to my previous life, right? Because I was driven by productivity. You need to be productive.

You need to be productive. And I truly feel like sometimes productivity comes from traumas. Yeah. Traumas lead to if a person is working too much, it's trauma. If you're going to be an overachiever, it's not a bad thing. But there is some unprocessed trauma that's driving them so much. Yeah. Yeah, you can achieve everything.

Again, the question comes, if we are caught up in a world of solipsism where I am the only conscious being, what achievement is going to get whom? Like, all these other non-conscious things are not going to get any use out of me. So first, one has to sit, heal their traumas, fix themselves before they can even help others. right and I think one of the things that's what beautiful about psychbolic therapies I do not think people can just hand over drugs like that and people cannot just hand over drugs even after one sitting or something they need to get to a certain amount of quietness in their headspace to be able to achieve that stillness that's quite essential very essential before you help the other person yeah see I that was really really

really well said. This is what I think psychedelic therapy should be because we, I think it's important to note me and you probably have done a lot of psychic, have had, have you and I and a lot of people have walked down the path of psychedelics and understand the difficult trips and have had to process the difficult trips. I think it's important to maybe understand what someone new might be going through. Like, imagine, remember when it was your first time going through something and getting that feeling of, oh my God, I get it. Like that first sense of like, yeah, I get it. And then it fades or your first bad trip.

And you're like, oh, I don't think I should ever do that again. Like, I think that the process, like for psychedelics, you do need a mentor. You do need someone there. And not all the time, but if you go through a psychedelic trip, it would be helpful to have someone like yourself to talk to like, hey, what does it mean when this happens? And you're like, well, here's what it meant for me. Or here's something similar that happened. You know, and then I think that it's that process of teaching the next generation of how to use psychedelics.

You know, for a lot of us, it's been an independent journey, but we've, like, I'm talking to you right now. I'm learning a lot. And I, I think that a younger person who's just getting into this could really benefit from talking to someone older. It should be like a mentor group instead of it being, you know, I guess that's kind of what the mystery schools were. It's about older people teaching younger people the way, you know, it's, and I kind of see a resurgence of it. It's kind of beautiful. It's funny because that became the established tradition in India. Younger people having to respect older people, and I'm completely against it.

We are not as old as I'm thinking as. We are just people can be any age, they can be completely immature. Yeah. If they could have the worst of the experiences, they can be immature. And maturity, maturity doesn't depend on age or experience. it depends on how much one is able to incorporate those experiences and change certain habit patterns even though those things kind of seems like how do you say it's it's vague it's abstract it doesn't give you a solid answer but any kind of model is going to

construct I feel like you can have a certain stable ground to begin but every journey has to be open-ended. Every single trip has to be open-ended. There cannot be, you can never think about a particular goal for a particular trip. You know, when they say set and setting, I hear from some articles where you need to have vision for this. No, I do not believe you need to have a vision for a particular trip because the moment you have it, because all your sensation and emotion and whatever, right, you're observing it at the magnitude of, there no number. It's such a higher magnitude, right? So even a little bit discurs from that, you're going to, without consciousness, you're going to label it as a bad trip. So set and

setting is something that's going to guide you into the trip. After that, it's just, it's beautiful. These words don't mean anything, you know. They say, right, like, as the, as the LST started working, I don't think so. I don't feel anything. they're like, wait, what are feelings? That's when it starts. So all the things that we conceive of in our normal, sober, working mind, it ceases to exist, right? All the barriers go down along with it,

whatever we think as useful tools, like words and communication. Sometimes I'm on drugs and I can't even speak. Like, I'm so gibberish. And the beauty is that I have nothing to convey. And, you know, it's so really big. It's like, wait, I don't know. It's nice. So what?

I don't have to speak. Like, I have nothing to say, right? So, yeah, it's like that. And more than older people to younger people, it can be, I think what you were trying to get at, maybe I'm just guessing, experienced to inexperienced. And experience can happen for. Way better put. Yeah. Yeah.

And, yeah, trip, trip sitter would be nice when. people are afraid when they're thinking about bad trips, right? Because the internet is flooded with information about bad trips and, you know, 30 years back when, 50 years back now, when Nixon at the schedule one class and, you know, they made videos about how people on psychedelics jump out of third floor.

And, you know, when I was in psychedilics, I'm thinking, that's crazy. I would never comprehend how someone on psychedelics would do that. There is no way for you to,

Because you're more attentive than anything else. You're attentive. You've been not attentive like this before ever. If you have not done any meditative things, there is no way you would have been paying attention to life as such and the beauty around us to that extreme. That in that, you know, pure awareness mode, you're not going to do something like jumping off third floor

or like, oh, it's dangerous. you're going to like, I don't know. Maybe it does happen in group settings. That's one thing. I've heard stories from where the group energy changes, right? And you know, you have some people, they are mixing drugs and some more eye energy, they want to go out. And then the people who do not want to go out, go out.

And then crazy things happen. For the first time, I think it needs to be a solo trip. Yeah. with a very safe setting to begin with. And then you can start walking out. I've had so many trips outside. I've spent like hours in a beach. Yeah.

It was crazy. I wonder how I'm still alive. I usually say that that's my physical rebirth point because I technically shouldn't be alive. I'm alive. I'm alive. Four hours of swimming in a beach on LSD and I'm alive. And when I think back to that point, I'm so grateful. Let's see.

If something happens like, I'm grateful. I'm still here, right? And yeah, that's the part with respect to having that set and setting and helping people understand bad trips are important. Bad trips are what we need to go after cycle. If you're thinking about going after psychedelics, after a good trip, even though psychilics do not have the addictive capacity, I've never felt like I could take LSD on the next day. I'm like, I'm done, man. I'm done for like, I'm just pretty much. much my last trip. That's how I feel sometimes.

It's every one of them. I know, I'm like, and sometimes I'm dancing around. My neck goes, breaks, and it's like, never again. I'm getting old for this. Like, I'm young, but like, I've not done anything physically. I'm old for this. And it's funny. When you think about good trip, you want to have it again.

Because that's what we tend to believe, right? We tend to believe we need to go after good and not bad. But the world is very paradoxical. very paradoxical and it's always the law of opposites I believe. If someone is out there, you know, hitting other people or like, even talking about the patriarchal society that has developed around the world, right? It comes from a very weaker inner side of the masculine part because if one is truly strong, they don't need to show it.

That's how it works. If you're truly strong, if you're strong within, you don't go and prove it. because you know it. And if you're, it's only when we are not sure of what we are within. We tend to get validation when we do, we tend to show the, play the power game and so on.

Right. And, and that's why I say law of opposites. So what do you think is bad? Jump into it. Good, maybe a little, I think, you know. A little hesitant. Even in meditation,

they say, when, you're, you're with the pain first time you're with the pain you're like you don't want the pain so you're avoiding it slowly slowly slowly you're with the pain and you start understanding pain is quite important for your journey right but there are also pleasure pleasure sensations that arise out of meditation and uh this is going because sometimes it's not even people want to avoid pain they're okay with the pain but they go after the pleasure that's the problem sometimes we're trying to

it's it's avoid rather than avoiding the bad things it's just jumping to get more of the good things right so you know yeah all these comes down to a single point that it's awareness as simple as it sound if you if you're there present paying attention to what is happening there's nothing more you need to do literally your shine is cat is quite an example right that that is straight along with quantum physics and if you see all these links under need, everything is linked and it all goes back to the same point. You take music, you take physics, you take space, everything. You want to go macroscopic, the law will remain the same.

If you go microscopic, the law will remain the same. It's beautiful. It is because it allows you to see it. It allows you to see the same law playing out on a huge scale and a small scale. And in yourself and yesterday and tomorrow. You know, there's so many angles. What I always think of, like all these concepts we've been explaining, Like, I've really recently begun to understand symbols more, like, and how powerful they are

and how, in a way, they're not only a different language, but a more whole language. Sometimes symbols are things that words can't describe. And let me give you an example of, like, do you know, like the Yin and Yang sign with, like, the two, like the white paisley and the black paisley and each have that dot in there? Yeah. Like, that is, that is, that's everything. It's balance. It's strength, it's weakness, it's you.

It's, if you can just, if everybody takes a moment to look at that sign and just think about it for a minute. Like, that says it, that says it all to me sometimes. And it's so powerful to sit with symbols. And it's also very interesting to see the way society wields those symbols. Like you see people having that sign on their store and like, you know, or like they have it on their car. And they're like, wait a minute. I think they're hijacking. that sign. What's going on over here? Yes. You know, and we're surrounded by symbols. And

so once you begin thinking about that, so if we, if we can agree that symbols are powerful, and we can agree that symbols say everything, then we can also agree that the world of symbols are bombarding us. And if you don't understand them, you can be overwhelmed by them. It's just, it's amazing to me to think about symbols as a language. What, what do you think about the way symbols are used and how do you see symbols in your life? Symbols are amazing. The symbol in Yang, when I saw it three years back,

I saw it as a more explaining symbol. It's like, here's the good, here's the bad, here's the good and the bad and the good, and here's life. And it's beautiful. Right. It's amazing. This is what it is about. You know, nothing is pure, perfectly good or nothing is completely bad.

Everything comes with both of those, right? Yeah. Yet I do not see the way symbols being, they have the potential to be really good in conveying messages. But ignorance creeps up everywhere. Just like all parts of language, all words are misunderstood. Like you can say pretty much any word and there will be people who find it offensive. There will be people who will be like, whoa, that's nice. And there are people like, it's a neutral word. Right. So those are all there. growing up though, I've been in a part where there are too many religions and stuff

and rather than understanding why this is, they try to, yeah, they monopolize and take the symbol and like I am from a cast which wears like, what is this, some marking on the head. Right? It's like a temporary tattoo and they're so biased against people who get permanent tattoos. It's not a big deal. It's both temporary. First of all, you rub it after. day, they're going to burn it after death. So it doesn't matter. Right? And but we

the first time it is, I think everything out here in the world, good or bad, was conceived out of pure good intention. It comes out of nothing. Just like music, music is what? Nothing. It's a bunch of noises. Yeah, you can say it's harmonious and stuff. It's same like our vocal cards. These are noises.

You're able to understand my nails. I'm able to understand your noise. That's all it is. But we cannot let ourselves get caught in the words we say. The words don't define us. Neither the stories that define us. Neither. Not the symbols.

As powerful as it can be, if you take a printout and put it in your car, it's not going to change. And one of the funniest things is that, having gotten into interested in Buddhism, I have read things. What Buddha said, Buddha always works on,

all this tells people there is there is no need to carry my deity there is nothing you can do praying outside there is no external object or figure or symbol or anything that can you know that is the answer you have to do the work i cannot make you enlightened i can show you the path but you have to walk each step and this this person so funny i i find uh hinduism to be um what is it's a big corporate Hinduism. It goes on occupying different religions. So there are 10 avatars in Hindu where first avatar, second avatar, they say how it's kind of matches with evolution. And Buddha at some point is quoted of saying like there is no God as we think it is, right? As the external image, as the deity form and so on. And to the wonder of me, they made Buddha the ninth

avatar in Hinduism. I was like, wow. It's like, the person. who said there is no god has said and you see so many people like go and see they have like small buddha statues right it's it's not bad too it can be it's a great tool if you use it as a reminder right this needs to put me in present moment it's great any symbol is magical right yeah like people people use candles candles are amazing because um one of the reasons they have been people were in the wild so candle fire keeps it away and uh candles are and they use that to create the safe space

as well as use it as a symbol to start meditating. But now people light up candles everywhere without understanding why the candle is lit. And it's like same with superstition, right? Sometimes before we understood cause and effect and why is happening,

the black cat crossing us is like a bad woman and stuff. Right? You slowly start to understand. Nothing, man. That cat needs to go and eat the rat or run the corner, right? You start to understand you don't believe in superstition anymore. Likewise, how superstitions people are trying to get aware and understanding that it's not a bad thing. Same way, people who think it's a good thing to keep symbols will understand it's not why we are doing it.

It's to push us back. It's a reminder. All it can do is remind us. A song. For me, I love Pink Floyd. Anytime I'm tripping and I'm like, one time I came down, I was listening to lyrics. every song was talking about the same thing. It's like be here now or like coming back to life or like in echoes there is this line.

It's beautiful. Strangers passing in the street by chance to separate glances meet. I am you and what I see is me. Like yeah, that's what I saw on my trip. It's amazing. How did you know? And now when I listen to those songs, I used to listen to songs. I don't know why I listened to songs.

It was more like a distraction, right? it was a state of comfort. Now, whenever I listen to song, if I'm not present in the song, I just stop listening. If for a little bit, amount of time I'm getting distracted, there is no point in listening.

It's just playing noise now. I'm not processing it. It's like the thing, right? You need a observer for the prism to exist. I mean, sorry, rainbow. Without the observer, the rainbow doesn't exist. And so if a song is playing and if I'm not that to listen it,

It's nothing. Nothing is happening there. People might think, oh, that guy's listening to the song. But no, no listening is happening. So in that context, coming back to symbols, it's all up to the individual. It's a great, great tool to remind themselves. Just you need to know.

Ask the question. Any symbol, any sacred symbol, tear it down, rip it apart. Ask it. Is it truly, you know, something, one other thing we do in our religion is like, wear threads around our body. Like, I never knew what it was about. And no one has given me an explanation.

I've asked my dad who's pretty religious. What's this thread about? It's like, it's sacred. Don't talk about it. Me, what? Growing up, I got limited in having these discussions about different things. Because, like, one of the things I felt like previous generation did was growing him in an authoritative environment.

If they don't know the answer, they'll ask you to shut up. Right? There is no, until I was 20 years old, I actually thought my dad knew everything and he didn't tell me. Now I come to know. It doesn't know. You know, that's one more reason I had public fear, right? Like public speaking, because I felt like the person sitting on the other side knew much better. Right.

Yeah. And now I don't demean the other person, but I just understand. You can know so much more than me, but in the vast ocean of knowledge, that's nothing. that's nothing it's like grabbing onto water with your hand from the ocean and you took it 90% of it's fall through the holes you know and then some stays and like yes i am so and so i'm so i'm doctor now yeah yeah sure call yourself doctor but you know i see that way you should never let let let let ourselves get caught in those things i believe because um All the titles.

We were talking about the... Labels. Yeah, labels. One of the first, first ever trip that showed me was, oh my God, the labels kind of narrow down it. Like, labels are attachment. Labels are bad. So it's so funny.

Like, it comes down to the point of like a story rate. I give it a label. I make it. I am creating. This is why the other thing you said, We are of one organism and we are just happening inside the thought. It's the Brahma's thought or something they say, I think. And this guy is sleeping and he's thinking.

But even in Christianity, the first line or something, the word of the God became, I do not know to quote it line by line. Do you know about it? I think it's in the beginning, the flesh became word. Or the word became flesh. Yeah, yeah. The word became flesh, right? So I truly believe that because like what you define at,

you manifest it. You create that reality. You want to say it's bad, it's bad. You want to say it's good? It's good. This is the beauty of, this is the complete freedom. You know,

to be able to choose what you are going through is the freedom. I think that's the true God's world and us being God's children. Because until a few years back, I was pretty much a strong atheist. For two, three years, I was straight atheist

because of the fact that, you know, even though we kind of say it's God made it and we are God's children, it always felt like I was having fear. Like, I couldn't be who I was or I'd be nervous. As I said, life being a burden, but truly realizing if we are God's children, it shouldn't be the case. You should be having fun. It should be like kids playing in the beach.

No thoughts. Like, today you try to take a kid to a beach and take him after two hours or four hours or atars, the reaction will be the same. Mom, Dad, I don't want to go now. And that's how we should be. We should be so engrossed in this thing playing without seeing it as a burden, right?

Another famous Alan Watts line that kind of helped me is that humans are seeing this as a work, right? If they realized it was a play, rather you know, participated as, you know, dance steps. You see dance. Dance is so idiotic. You know, it's so fun. But if you put a purpose to it,

it's so idiotic. Like, dude, this guy raised his left hand and over his head and moved left step, put the head down. And he did the same with the right side. Why is he doing it? Right? He's crazy. Look at that person waving all their hands around, getting all nuts. He's a lunatic. You see, is it Frederick Niche or something? I'm sorry, I'm just going to finish that. the people who couldn't hear the music, thought the people who were dancing to be insane, it's like that. Just because we are not able to understand

why the other person is having fun, just we rip the fun out of it. Yeah. Likewise, if we did just for other people, that's one thing. We start doing it in our own lives. You know, we are serious. We have our work time, play time.

Here I can be a little bit, you know, flexible, but other times have to be rigid, you know. That is a goal. That is a vision. and all these as interesting or as helpful as it may be, in the present moment it doesn't help. In the present moment, if we are able to truly think, I'm going to die tonight,

it brings us back to seeing this world in a much more magical lens. And it's hard. Like, I'm trying to tell you that you're going to die tonight, I'm going to die tonight. But are we really afraid? No. Same thing. contemplate death on psychedelics or shrooms or meditation it's much different yeah even on cannabis

i've i've gotten to a point of paranoia on cannabis yeah absolutely it's amazing it's amazing i genuinely believe all the things that we quote as to be avoided or the things that we need to go through it's like yeah coming out of it is what it's just the journey of the cocoon catrper going to the cocoon as cat it can be it gives the ability for it to fly That's amazing. You were just caught up in a leaf for so many years. You're now going to fly. The obstacle is the way.

The obstacle is the way. Yeah. I think it's amazing to me. There's so much that it makes me think about. When I think about Nietzsche going back, he's got this idea of the transformation from the camel to the child. and he speaks about in the beginning we're all like this camel

and we sit down in front of society we get on our knees we bend on our knees and we lay down and we take this load and everybody puts this stuff on our back hey here's here's this here's Alfred North Whitehead here's Nietzsche here is President Bush here's President Modi

here's society here's war like we have all this stuff and it's stacked on us and then when we reach a certain age we rise up off our knees and we run into the desert with this giant load on us. The desert is like our life, right? Like we're out here. We're trying to figure stuff out. And all of a sudden we realize how much of burden all this stuff is.

We want to take this load off of us now. Like I don't need white. I don't need war. I don't need this stuff. And you begin to go through this transformation. And they said the second transformation is the camel becomes the lion. And so you transform from someone who is, had all this load on them into this beast that has to fight now.

Okay, now I'm going to become a lion. I'm going to fight for everything. And so you get rid of everyone's stupid ideas. And now you are making your own ideas. And you have to become this lion because there's a dragon you have to slay. So the next part is after you've taken the load, you've gotten rid of all these people's ideas. You've formed your own ideas. Now you're a lion.

So you've made the transformation from camel to lion. And now you are your own person. you will become awake to this idea is that you can make your own life. But there's one last test. Now you have to slay this giant dragon. And this dragon is called thou shalt. And it's a think of like a giantormous dragon. And on every, it's got millions of scales.

And on every scale is written the word thou shalt. Thou shalt pray. Thou shalt live. Thou shall be a kind person. And the dragon says to the lion, sorry, man. you're our lion but you uh there's there's no more room on any of these scales man there's nothing left for you so what do you do you got to fight the dragon and the end of the story is becoming a child because once you destroy the dragon once you release the roar that shatters the dragon scales

and you've conquered it you realize you're at the beginning and you're a child you know it's such a beautiful story and i i think that that's and to me i i really admire the story because I think it tells every stage of life. And no matter where you are in your life, you realize it's a circle and you're supposed to be there. And there's something more you can, even though you've already done this, there's something else you missed along the way. You can learn more. Thanks for. Let me share that story. It's beautiful story. I really like that. It's true, right? I think my psychedelics showed me how I was a camel carrying the baggage of the human who put on me. And that human is not not one person. That's that.

That's what we need to, you know, see looking back at our history or something. We, like, for example, if you say particularly about Hitler or something, they kind of think it's like a one-man job. Oh, no, it's not. It's a whole idea of a country and it's not just that country. It's ideas coming from 100,000 years before. It's situations, its surroundings, and its ignorance and it's battling of consciousness and it's everything, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Being manifested in a single person, just like one cannot take credit for anything. they do, the one person shouldn't be blamed, right? Yeah. Same way. When I see, it's like this whole history has put this bag on me, baggage on me, as the camel thing was nice. And you're like, it's not my luggage. Wait, I don't need a luggage.

I even have a water pouch inside me. I don't need to even carry water bottles, you know? Why am I carrying this? Yeah. So, yeah. And finally, the childlike thing, it's quite interesting because on psychedelics, right? The state I am in is pretty much like I get to the point of no objective purpose, right?

Completely lack of meaning and no purpose. You can, you don't need to be sad about this. It's like you're put in a room with a clay and you can do anything. Like this life is to do anything and it's so enlightening, right? I can pretty much be anyone I want. My story is not something that is, it's like the diagram drawing on the beach. One way it goes back, it goes back to blank slate, right? And one of the things I see in psychology is people having the argument between nature and nurture, right?

Right. And have you heard the concept of tabula rasa? The tablaraza, like the clean slate. Clean slate. Yeah, tell people about it. So everyone can know. Yeah, Tabula Rasa means like just clean slate And people are born with clean slate

And when you're young, you're not able to write on your slate And everyone writes the stories they know that they have done, right? And usually when you grew up That's why I say every kid is going to be traumatized regardless of anything Yes As small as the name's given to us, it's not ours You don't need to be caught up by it like you're not, yeah, you're

charged just so that you know that I am calling you, I'm Ranga so that if I'm the last person in the world, would it make any sense for me to have a name? No. Like, names don't have any meaning. But so if those are given for helpful purposes,

the kid growing up needs to understand, right? With enough suffering, it starts looking inward and asking this question, why and what. And you see that everything is written on it. We all have a chance to make it back to Kabbalah Rasa, right? That's the beauty of it. We can wipe it off all clean and be here just with nature, just part of the experience, right?

Like, I never understood, even now in my sober sense, I don't understand. You know, after enlightenment, they say there is no observer, there is no observed. There is just an experience flowing through. I have a interflict. I did have that on psychedelics. But right now I cannot even, I would be lying if I said I understood it now. But I know the moment I'm popping something,

I'm going to be there, you know? Because that is, that's it. So we need to erase the stories. The stories as much as seems like gives us a identity, it's pristening. And one of the things that happens in trauma, right? trauma passes down when there is no healing trauma passes down because for some people when they go through trauma even though they know trauma and they work with the ways they knew right for example like let's say

my my dad or something where his trauma was trying to find a job and like was pushed to marry or you know have kid and this one but having gone through that, now even though he was successful in the sense that he came out of it, still alive, you know, a kid, he had a job, he had made money and so on, he thinks that worked, right? And people think what they did worked and therefore they try to pass it on to the next generation. The generational cycle of trauma has to be broken down and it's up to every single person to really like question stuff. You can, you can't really offend the dead. You can talk anything about 100 years back and it's fine.

Like they did it for a reason. Right. It's pretty much religion is purely outdated. Yeah. Religion is outdated. It was quite essential for us to come together from different areas. You know, I'm talking about when we were hunter-gatherers, every tribe was fighting other tribe. They had to have a common umbrella to share ground and, you know, come together.

But now we are past third. we are heading towards the global economy. We are able to understand what's happening. So what we used as crutches, we don't need it. We know have skating shoes. Like you can't use crutches in skating shoes. Like, it's okay to, you know, understand that you don't need to use that. But again, without awareness, we hang on to things.

We hang on so tightly that I also think it this way. People hang on to some ideas so strongly, you know, on psychedelics. It takes the whatever they're holding, right? And it hurts their hand. Yeah. And that's what they think is like, psychilics are bad. But when they truly, it's people who are caught midway where it hurts and they are not completely let go on, right? That's why I think Terence Mechanna's heroic dose is quite important.

There is no, it's going to rip out in so fast. Like you don't have chance to, you know, put the barriers back up while you're tripping. The barriers are completely gone. Now, yeah. you have a chance to see for what it is from a different perspective and work towards making it better. Yep, that's so true. Ranga, I could talk to you for another two hours, but I'm going to make some, I got my beautiful wife, my daughter over here, and I got to spend some time with him. I, man, this is fun.

Let's do it every son. Can we do this every weekend? Are you busy? I am down. I do not have. As I said, no podcast. so far. So this was my first thing. Thanks for inviting me. It was nice. I was listening to your other podcast the other day. I was like, I need to know how this guy talks. What is he? And you know,

this starts doubts and doubts and come. They say no, no fear comes and so on. But it's been amazing. You know, I like it. It's good, right? It's, you're doing a great job. And I think you should have your own podcast. You can crush it, man. Like, I think you are someone who is not only fun to talk to, but someone who has a very clear perspective and a different perspective than me. And I admire being able to see the world through your eyes. So thank you for that. It's really fun and looking forward to our further conversations.

We should have a panel. There's other people I would like for all of us to talk. I think we would have a great group conversation. So we'll talk about that in the future here. Yes. This is my baby girl right here. Hello. Hi.

So we are out of here. Ladies and gentlemen, Ranga, he's an amazing man. He's got some awesome ideas. We're going to be talking a lot more. Where can people find you? If they wanted to reach out to you and get your opinions on stuff, Ranga, how could they find you? I'm there on LinkedIn. Right there.

Yeah. Okay. Is it okay if I put a link to your LinkedIn page in the notes? Okay. 100%. Yeah. I'd love talking to people. Yeah.

It's the best way. Yeah. It's amazing. So we will be back next weekend, ladies and gentlemen. And reach out to Ranga. I will, you guys can reach out to me. If there's stuff you want us to talk about or you want to get in the chat and chat with us. Or if you even want to come live and talk to us, just get in the show notes and let us know,

reach out to one of us. And we're going to be back with some more conversations. That's what we got for today. Ranga, hang on one second. I'm going to close the broadcast, but I still want to talk to you for a moment. Okay. Okay. So if I come right here, I go over to in broadcast and I hit this button like that.

Then I hit that one there. Thank you.