TrueLife - Rebecca Sarr - Lived Experience, Frequency, & Resonance

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

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Welcome back to the True Life podcast. Depending on what day it is. Maybe you are in Australia, you maybe you're across the international border, the dateline, maybe it's, maybe it's Wednesday, maybe it's Tuesday, but whatever day you're listening to this, I'm so excited you hear. I hope the sun is shining, out the birds are singing, out the wind is at your back. I have with me the incredible Rebecca Sarr PhD, and we are going to dive into a topic that I hope resonates with you.

But let me first kick it off to Rebecca over here for a little bit better of an introduction and she can kind of flow into our story. Rebecca, maybe you can give the people a little bit of a background on who you are and why we're talking to it. Yeah, sure. I'd love to do that. It's lovely to be here. And it's a beautiful sunny day here in Melbourne. So, yeah, I'm here to talk about my work, which is resonance medicine. And I work as a healer. And I take people on journeys to self-discovery. So I also work as a coach. I integrate the healing work that I do into people's lives. So I've come full circle almost. I began my work as a lawyer. So I began my professional career as a lawyer and I moved through that, went to become an academic and I was really focused

on anthropological concepts around consciousness. I used to practice the martial out of Capoeira. It's an Afro-Brazilian martial art. And I was very involved in working with African communities in Australia. And so I did a youth program on Capoeira. And I was really enamored, actually, by the difference that it made in young African children's lives. And so that began my journey outside of the law and into the concepts of embodiment, sound consciousness. I have been on such a long journey to get to this point. And I'm now bringing some of the concepts that I studied in my PhD into my healing work. So, and my, my PhD was a 10-year process, which really mirrored.

Yeah, it was a long. process which really mirrored my awakening process. And I give so much gratitude to the continent of Africa, the culture's there and the people's there for awakening my mind, heart and body to the possibilities of life. It's been such an incredible journey to understand the intelligences that are held in afro-centred ways of being, living and understanding the world. So many of these concepts around sound, resonance, healing, embodiment, really still so alive in afro-cented cultures. And when we think about concepts like magic, like healing, shamanism,

we can really look at Afro-centered cultural practices like Kappewa, for example, which call in the underlying philosophies and actually the underlying technologies that create what we consider to be magic these days, simply because science hasn't caught up. And yeah, and so I've been on this journey. I used to work, when I was working as a lawyer, I worked as a criminal lawyer with the Aboriginal Legal Service in Australia. And I worked a lot with people from Indigenous communities

who had experienced so much intergenerational trauma and pain. and I came to the realization that the legal system in Australia was simply compounding this pain rather than stepping into a healing role, which is really what's required if we are to obtain what we call reconciliation around the world for First Nations peoples. And so that was probably the beginning of my awakening journey because I saw the horrors of what had taken place in this country and many countries around the world over the last 500 or so years since colonisation. And that sparked something in my mind. It sparked something in my heart. I also began to see the talent I had for deep listening and how

healing that actually was. I'm a very empathic person. and I always have been. And I, throughout my childhood, I tended to see that as a curse rather than a blessing. But as I worked with various groups, I started to see that I was the first person that actually listened to their story in their entire lives with a deep listening and embodied listening

that actually came from the heart with some care and some love. And I realized the healing effect of that. I was actually found myself, to be quite a terrible lawyer in the courtroom because I would feel so much emotion in that space. But in the room with the clients, I found that is where the magic happened because people could feel human again. And so there was something in that that sparked in me. And I brought it all together in a gigantic, PhD that crossed Brazil, Australia, Africa.

And it looked at the first time that in recorded history that Africa and Africa and Europe actually came into contact. I went that far back to look at how racial structures, racial power structures kind of began in the world when all of these different cultures began to clash and come together in these ways. And it was a fascinating journey. I travelled to West Africa and I went to the slave castles there. I took my Kapparea uniform, which was all the way from Brazil back over to Africa.

and so I did a bit of a return ceremony with that. And it was really such an embodied experience for me to do this PhD because I then travelled to Brazil as well and I spent three months in Brazil practicing Capoeira and really soaking in what it meant to be in the birthplace of this amazing martial art. And through that, plus the 15 plus years that I, I practiced Capoeira in Australia.

I began to understand that every Wednesday and every Sunday, I wasn't just going to Capoeira to do a hordeur, which is the circle where everybody sings and dances and does the combat sport. I was actually going to church. I was actually conditioning my body for a spiritual evolution and a spiritual revolution as well. And so a lot of my thesis looks, it interweaves the political and intercultural power structures of the last 500 years of what some scholars call Western civilization. And the colonial underpinnings of that, I interweave that with kind of how we can bring back magic into the world and into our lives.

and how perhaps there are such intelligences held within the cultural norms and cultural practices of colonised peoples that Western society has just cut off at the knees, so to speak. It's literally just forgotten. And so this thesis looks at, and this will come to my work that I'm doing now, It's been such an intertwining journey. My thesis actually mirrors my awakening experience. I look at how embodiment in Capoeira, the intercorporeality of Capoeira bodies entwining,

how that challenges the individualism of the West, which we see as superior, how it challenges the mind-body dualism of the West and the privilegeing of the mind over the body. We look at bodily intelligence and how bodies can move together and see each other and know each other. And then from there I move on to the shift, the inversion of the privileging of sight over sound. So in the West.

In the West, sight the iconic is privileged over the sonic. And we see the five senses in a kind of hierarchy with sight at the top. And this impacts on all of our learning, all of our communication, and all of our ways of perceiving the world. And so in practices like Capoeira and in my resonance medicine journeys, we move back into the sonic and privilege sound as an effervescent phenomena, which brings us into states of beyond the materialism, beyond the materialistic. So we can move into the spiritual.

We transcend the materialistic. And so in this way, we can break down. our understanding of consumer materialism, capitalism, and our reductionist ways of thinking, which have been privileged in the West. And then it also moves on into time and how time is perceived differently according to different cultures. And so we have, in the West, it's monochronic, it's a ribbon that stretches out. We have past, present and future. But in other cultures, we have polychronic time, and it's more in flow, let's say.

And when we have transcendent experiences that are connected with the sonic, connected with music and connected with rhythm, we actually transcend our usual perceptions of time, and we move into altered states of consciousness. And so this is where my thesis kind of intersects with my current work, because what I do in resonance medicine is I guide people into altered states of consciousness. And I do that through music and through the voice. And so it's a kind of entrainment and rhythm is also very much involved. here. And so my voice begins with a rhythm that guides people into a state where they can experience the synesthetic qualities of moving energy. And so as I guide people into these states, I'm also doing energetic healing on their subtle bodies. And so if we look at the yogic tradition,

we have the physical body and then we have the subtle bodies as well and they all interact. We have the physical, energetic, emotional, mental and causal bodies. And so I tap into the energetic as a portal to the other bodies. And I might go into the Akashik realm. So it's a beautiful thing when I tap into people's, embodied cognitive field, it's not constrained by space or time. So I can tap into essentially anything within a person's conscious field. And if we think of consciousness as we have a local conscious body,

but then we also have non-local consciousness, the possibilities are actually limitless, because it means we can tap into consciousness in the whole. And we're almost working with the singular person's body as a portal to the whole. And we can even break it down more than that as like parts of our body have consciousness. And so I can tap into different organs and work with them as a portal into past lives or into future lives or into the quantum field, for example. and it's just amazing what comes through. And so I call this resonance medicine

because what I'm actually doing is I'm finding a deep resonance with the energetic structures of the person's conscious field and I'm speaking that back to them. So we'd call it channeling, but I prefer to call it an empathic resonance which I then translate.

So I feel it from the person and then I translate it into words. And those words as they are spoken back to the person, they actually, so everything has a resonance frequency. And as I speak back these words, they mirror the energies that are present in the person's field. So they tap that resonance frequency. And if you think about the glass that shatters when the opera singer sings that note, that's hitting the resonant frequency.

And so it's a similar kind of concept. I'm hitting that frequency of the energies that are held within the part of that person's conscious field. And as I do that, they kind of shatter. And that creates a synesthetic experience for the person. And what is a synesthetic experience? It's linked to mystical experiences. It's when our senses kind of, for want of better words, mush together. Right, right.

And we can experience sound as a vision, or we can experience, you know, a vision as a taste or our experiences. Yeah. And so people will have very deep visions of themselves in different lifetimes. They will experience auditory messages. They may hear their angels speaking to them. They may have that deep love because we have more than five senses.

And we actually, scientists are discovering like over 100 senses. And so these all come through as amazing symphony of resonance. that. And this is the person's conscious experiencing of these energy shattering. And as the energy shatter, they transmute, they move into different spaces. And so this is where the healing happens. And it can be a little overwhelming for people. I have a friend who is a very experienced coach and healer.

And I recently did a session for her and she said it's the most powerful. thing she's ever experienced in her life. So it goes it goes very, very deep. And I am so honored and blessed to be able to take people on these journeys. And many describe it as a plant medicine experience without the plants, which is the reason, yeah, this is the reason that I call it resonance medicine because it is that that medicine journey and it happens through resonance and so I yeah I give I give thanks to my journey through my thesis and my capoeira my own spontaneous kundalini awakening which which happened through years and years of cupware practice and involving myself in a lot of afro centred practices

which essentially tone the body or hone the body in the same way that yoga would, but without the same philosophical structures in Capoeira. So if we look at prana in yoga, it's actually the life force, which is called Asher in Capoeira. And so we have different manifestations of that around the world in different cultural practices. And in Capoeira, it's called Asché. And this is the life force that we can harness to create magic. And so this is almost what is being spoken through in my work. That being said, this word ashe comes from the Yoruba culture,

which is now parts of Nigeria. And I've looked into it and they have the Ashae in some, in some, it's called the Ifa religion. And in some explanations, it says that Asha is the masculine and Ajay is the feminine. And so you have that masculine feminine there as well, which is really interesting. And I work deeply with the feminine energies, which in the yogic traditions we'd call Shakti.

So it's almost like bringing through Shakti, channeling Shakti. And Shakti can be a destroyer in some guises. And so that's where the shattering of these energies takes place. And people go through very intense transformations with me. my work. Some people have never experienced a past or parallel life before and I found that these parallel lives are moving energies from our past or parallel lives can be one of the most powerful ways to transform our current state because we are being impacted by the timelines of our consciousness. And if we are stuck in a certain area, it's often because there's a fear or some

kind of emotion that is being held in, is creating a blockage. And it can be coming from one of these past or parallel lives. And when we clear that energy, things start to move in this lifetime at light speed. And other times it can be just shifting something in the energy body. So it can be something from this lifetime. And the results from my work. So some people find it quite confronting if they've never experienced a past life regression before, if they've never experienced higher states of consciousness where, because I look

at the, I mean, we delve into the subconscious, the unconscious, the unconscious, and the super conscious. So that's our God conscious state. And so when a person experiences themselves in the God conscious state, that can be quite confronting the first time. And so that's why I like to integrate coaching with my healing work. I found that working with people for a minimum of three months is really helpful to kind of ease through the,

the really huge shifts that take place when people experience my work. So I can help people with letting go rituals, manifestation rituals, integration, really, really beautiful integration there. Yeah, and the shifts that I've experienced people go through, I've seen people, you know, buy new houses, heal their relationships with their partners, get huge business deals that they've been waiting for for a long time, heal relationships with other family members,

find new leases on life. People's businesses skyrocket. People get the jobs of their dreams. It's just, it's amazing to see what happens when we shift our energetic signature into alignment with that which serves our highest good. it's like when we shift our energetic field we and this is where the bodies come in when we shift our energetic field we shift the causal field when we shift the emotional field we shift the causal field

when we shift the energetic field we shift the mental field and it all it all integrates in with each other and so these are the levels that I love to work at I love to play in people's energy fields and recode their energetic bodies so that they're actually calling in new experiences. Because sometimes we just can't shift things by talk therapy alone or by like trying to tap into our mental state alone. We actually can traumatize ourselves more with the, oh, I'm not good enough. I'm failing. Why isn't this working?

When all it actually takes is a shift in energetics. is a shift in our state or is a shift in a blockage, which is a different way of perceiving an emotion, that would change everything. I have clients who can be suffering really, really deeply. And once they realize that they actually came into this lifetime with a karmic intention to experience a particular emotion, it empowers the person to say,

I'm feeling like this because I'm exploring this. It becomes intentional. And I'm exploring the beauty of it, because if we look at oneness, everything is love. If when we tap into that higher plane of consciousness, we're all connected, we're all one. We're all one organism moving and experiencing itself from different aspects.

And the stuff that we're made of is love. That's what knits the universe together. And when we realize this, it means there's actually nothing outside of love. And it's only our material, egoic consciousness. which is necessary to live on the 3D plane, which sees everything as separate. And so once we transcend that, if we can transcend it in an altered state

and bring it back down into our everyday waking, walking field, we can empower ourselves with the God consciousness. We can empower ourselves with the infinite love consciousness to be in a world. and to understand that we can never be wrong, we can never be failing. And it's a beautiful thing when, for example, when our freedoms are taken away during COVID and we can't travel as we'd like, we can travel through consciousness. When we're experiencing the depths of grief or the depths of sadness, the depths of guilt,

the depths of despair, we can actually turn around and see. say, I am experiencing this for the highest purpose of my soul's evolution. This is what I came to earth to understand. And I came to understand it as beautiful. And so then we move from that victim space or that space of I'm not enough to, I'm perfect and I am on the right path. I'm on the righteous path. For example, I had a client recently who's been through like multiple serious traumas in her life

and it's compounded into feelings of guilt, intergenerational feelings of guilt that she's now has in her energetic field to deal with. And we may not think of guilt as a, as an aspect of love. But as I channel through the wisdom that's held in the God consciousness, which is a shared consciousness between you and me, a shared consciousness between her and I, a shared consciousness between everything and everyone, everywhere, we can see that guilt is beautiful because guilt is a change make a guilt is a nurturer guilt compels us to be better and so it's an aspect of love that creates change in our world when we feel guilty about something we say this is probably something that

I need to change for example for example if we are pushing down our feelings because through addiction. If we're pushing down our feelings through addiction and we're going out and we're partying and then the guilt comes in and we say, oh, I really shouldn't be doing this. Like it's probably not leading me on the best path in my life. That is where the change begins to be made.

And it's from the guilt that that happens. So how beautiful a gift is guilt to create change in our world. And once we start to understand everything as beautiful in this way, we start to tap into that infinite love and understand ourselves as beautiful in every single way. And so this is what my work really is about. It's about because I started my life trying to change the world. And I'm now at the point where I see the beauty is not in changing anything, but it's in understanding everything as beautiful. And when we can do that, we actually tap into a self-love

because we hold aspects of everything within ourselves. We hold aspects of violence within ourselves. We hold aspects of hatred within ourselves. And when we can look at these in the mirror and work through these and begin to see love and beauty within all of this within ourselves, that's where the real transformation begins. Because fear is just love. with a mask.

And so it takes bravery to actually look the fear in the face and say, take off the mask and show me yourself as love. It's deep inner work that is going to heal the world. That is my honest belief, having gone from looking at all of the outer aspects that could be changed and shifted within the world to the deep inner knowing that I now have is that when every human being on the planet loves themselves fully, the world will be healed. The world will be a beautiful place. And that is so paradoxical because in realizing this, we realize that the world is already a

beautiful place. The world is already healed. The world is already perfect. Because She has her consciousness as well, and she is on her journey of transformation just as we are. And we are mirrors of her, she is a mirror of us. And this is the most beautiful realization to have is that when we start to see our dear Mother Earth as our mother, as a divine reflection of who we are, it becomes more. difficult to to hurt her in a way and we naturally want to connect we naturally want to be held by our mother who loves us and holds us on this planet no matter what we do no matter what we we hurt no matter what she she holds that divine love for us and um one thing that's really

come through in the work that I've done. So the beautiful thing about my work is that I get to receive so much wisdom through the channeling that I do. Every person that comes my way has such a beautiful life story. And one thing that I've realized is that no human being on this planet is free from trauma. We talk about trauma as a kind of sexy word these days. like, you know, heal your trauma. Have you been through trauma?

Everybody has. Every single person on this planet has been through trauma. It's a part of life. And the magic is in seeing it for the beauty that it holds and the lessons that it holds. And so for me, holding space for so many diverse, beautiful beings, I have the privilege of receiving the wisdom, held within our shared conscious field. And what has come through so many times for me

is that our dear Mother Earth will receive our energies from us and she will transmute them for us. So whenever we feel overwhelmed by feelings of anger, sadness, grief, shame, guilt, things that we consider negative. our egos think of as negative, we can actually gift these to the earth and we can do a process of imagining

and envisioning the energies moving down our feet out, our feet into the connection into Mother Earth. She will receive them and just as she receives the broken leaves of a tree and transmute these into the compost that creates new life, she will transmute these energies. into new life as well. And she sees these energies as gifts because she has a consciousness

that differs from our egoic consciousness and she's grateful for the energies. So this is how we start to transform our thinking that's rooted in separation, our thinking that's rooted in guilt and shame into a thinking that everything is part of the flow and everything is love. So this is a little, yeah, of, I mean, it's a lot of what my work is about.

Yeah, and so this is what I do and this is how I love to serve. I love to serve humanity in this way. I think it's remarkable to get to hear the path of which you've taken. And I think it echoes so much of everybody. story. On some level, like, we all have the same story. And, you know, when you begin talking about starting off as a lawyer, then we think about colonialism. And we think about people wanting to bring law to other people that don't necessarily want their law. Like, they have their own law. They have their own way. So why do we impose it? Well, we impose it on them because we need to make sense of

them. We need to be certain about these things. And, you know, I love what you said in the beginning, too, about the idea of magic. You know, I've been reading a lot of, of, oh, I can't think of the guy's name. Let's see. The Gutenberg Galaxy is a book that he wrote, and he also wrote, he speaks about the way in which

sense ratios have changed over the years, and he talks about language being one of those modalities that fundamentally change the way we interpret reality. And when you talk about listening versus seeing, you know, in the West we have this, you can hear it in our words. I see things this way. I see it that way. Like we are definitely putting all of our eggs in the modality of sight. And we know from courtroom testimony, bringing it back to law that like sometimes the witness testimony is not very reliable because they're seeing different things, you know, and I could see something. I could see that point of you. I could see that point

of you. Again, in the language, we see it. It's so heavy in the West. And something does happen. And you could argue that altered states of consciousness are, in fact, a changing of the sense ratios. When you take in an event based on sound, if we look at people who can't see, if we, these changing sense modalities are, are in fact the way we model reality. And if we rely heavy on one, we're leaving out all these other ones. I thought that's fantastic to think about it. And, you know, of course, if you get to travel, like if your environment is strictly the desert and then you go to the rainforest, wow, you're going to really see the world differently. So it seems to me on some level, as you got to be fortunate enough to travel through not only

different landscapes on the planet, but different models of reality from different cultures, that has to change you on a level that's mind-blown. I could see the transition that you're talking about. What maybe as we continue on this conversation, maybe you could tell me more about the movement and this martial art. I'm not real familiar with it. And I think explaining what that martial art is, its foundations, its principles, and the way you move, is it in a group setting? I think that I could flesh out a little bit more about some of your work. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, a coupleware is an Afro-Brazilian martial art.

And it was most likely developed in Brazil from the mixture of cultures that landed there through the transatlantic slave trade. And so from western, central Africa, there were many different groups of peoples who ended up living together in slave quarters in Brazil. And they brought with them their own. cultural practices which included music, dance and magic. And also combative sports. Yeah, there's some really beautiful historical works on the histories of combative sports in Africa. It's quite amazing to read about. And so these different practices were brought over to Brazil.

and as people were kind of clumped together and not able, it's interesting that you speak of language, not able to speak to each other. Embodied language became the way of communicating, and music and rhythm became the way of communicating. And so people could jump in and play games together. They could jump in and play music together. They could find out, oh, this rhythm is from our country.

It's similar to this rhythm. or from our people, it's similar to this rhythm from your people. And the movements, oh, these are kind of similar. And so there were a bunch of different practices that kind of evolve through that. Batuki was one, which is a tripping sport. Samba, some really beautiful music in Brazil. Brazil. Brazil has one of the most magical musical histories that I've ever experienced. It's just, it's heart-blowing, the music of Brazil.

And so, yeah, Capoeira evolved in this way. And the musical instruments that are a part of the Capoeira, what's called a hordeaux, is the circle. So Capua is played in a circle, which is also quite relevant because the circle, as opposed to the square, speaks to the facing of each other. The circle is very important in rituals,

and it's a non-linear aspect of reality. And some capuaristas, some capoeira masters or maestres, as they call them in Brazil, have said that the capoeira circle actually is a microcosmic mirror of life and the universe. And so we have that meaning of the circle there. And so we call it the hoda, and we have the battery up the top, which is the orchestra. And the instruments are the Pandero, which is the tambourine.

the agogo which is the cowbell and then we have the the principal instrument is the barimbao now the barimbao is a string instrument with a gourd on the end and it's played by you hit a stick onto the string and then the gourd resonates and creates the sound and then there are also atabakis which are big drums which keep the beat as well. And so this, the barimbao is a very spiritual instrument and it's very iconic in Capoeira. And it's said to possess spiritual powers and all of this. But we can really tell from the way that the music is played

that it's the rhythm and resonance that creates this kind of magical, presence and calls in the ancestors, calls in the orishes. So the orishes are the gods and goddesses of Candomblay, which is an Afro-Brazilian syncretic religion. So it's coming from the, I mentioned the Eiffa religion in Yoruba land. It's kind of migrated over similar to the music and dance practices. It's migrated from Africa and it's found its place in Brazil. And so when you're a cupware and neophyte, a beginner, you don't really find out about many of those things. It just looks like a great sport and art. Most people are attracted by the movement. And so what's beautiful about the movement, so we have the circle, we have the instruments up the top. And then the

the players all create the circle with their bodies and they clap. So they clap in time. This is the usual rhythm. And so everybody who's in the circle is involved at every moment. And there's always this constant exchange and constant flow. And so at the top of the circle, you have all these players lining up. It's my turn. I'm ready to go.

And they come into the middle, shake hands. And there's often there's often there are symbolic gestures which are made, which are also synchronised. So they might be praying to the God because part of the, well, part of the syncretised religion in Candleuil, it uses the Catholic saints as kind of covers for the the gods that the people were worshipping because people were forced into Catholicism. And so this is how it worked. And so there's still this kind of Catholic, like, please don't hurt me. Please protect me.

Play that goes on. And so then the two players jump into the middle of the hordeaux, and they kind of twist and turn around each other like this, in this really beautiful non-choreographed dance, which is also can be quite a lethal combat art. And in the past it has been, it's been considered to be very violent. It was criminalised for a long time in Brazil by the government. And it was, it was associated with, with criminals, with laziness and also with blackness. And so when people first see Capoeira and they see people moving around in this beautiful way, people become enchanted.

And that was my experience. Certainly, I saw it when I was in my early 20s in Europe. I saw it in Brussels. And my partner at the time, I was sitting there, like, drinking our Belgium beer, like doing the thing with the peanuts. And then I was like, wow, what is that? They just had a lone barimbao. And these two players just weaving in and out of each other

in these beautiful circular movements. I was like, I have to know more about this. And then I next saw it in a park in France, and they had the horde of the circle, and people were doing backflips, and it was such a beautiful community vibe. And I was a gymnast in my childhood, and I was like, I want to get my backflip back.

And so as soon as I came back to Melbourne, like as soon as I finished that trip, I came back, I looked it up, and I was like, I'm ready to begin. I was very naive at the time and very enthusiastic. And I had no idea about the journey that it was going to bring me on. It's just been amazing. And there are actually two, oh, there are three styles of Capoeira, really, over history.

And two really major historical figures. So there's Capoeira Hezonal, which was essentially, mastered by Mestra Bimba. And then there is Capoeira Angola, which is mastered by Mestri Pastinia. And so these two men drew these different styles of Capoeira from the street style. And so Mestri Bimba brought it into academies.

He tried to essentially clean it up. there was a nationalisation movement happening in Brazil at the time, and he saw an opportunity to take Capoeira out from this, like, criminal, lazy, loafing kind of status into a respected Brazilian unique practice. And so at the time, previously, Brazil was always looking towards Europe and particularly France as a cultural superior. But as this nationalisation movement started to happen, Brazil realized that it had something unique in its Afro-Brazilian inheritance. And so they started a movement called Tropicale. and this was where they started looking at Samba and Capoeira,

which had previously been shunned and saying, actually, we've got something here. And so Mesra Bimba capitalized on that. And it was a really big boon for Capoeira, actually, because it was then that shows started appearing and teachers actually got to travel outside of Brazil. And the first teachers traveled to Europe and the U.S. around the 70s.

But there were some concerns from the Capoeira community that this was a kind of whitewash that was taking place. And so Mestro Pastinia created Capoeira Angola as a pushback to the traditional roots of Capoeira.

And so Capoeira Angola is very Afro-centered and it's a slower kind of movement, more playful, Whereas the Hezonal at the time was pretty intensive and there were competitions. It was more competitive and was pretty violent as well. Very masculine. And so and the Angola is a big focus on the music as well. And then since this split happened, time has moved forward and a couple of

Kappaura has penetrated the entire world. It's proliferated and there are Kappaura schools all around the world and Brazilian teachers everywhere. So it's actually been an incredible pathway for teachers to migrate around the world. And through this, a third style has evolved, which is called KAPWara contemporania. So contemporary Capoeira, essentially. And this is almost like, I wouldn't say a mixture because the Angoleros in my space would say, that's incorrect.

But it's kind of like a more chilled out version of Hezonal. It's not straight Hezanel because Hezanel has specific, very specific movements. But it's a more, it brings in movements from breakdancing, for example, it brings in movements from Asian martial arts. It's a more contemporary mixture of, yeah. And so, yeah, this is Kappa Ware. It's an amazing history.

But the music is what really powers the magic in the space. So we have the two players that are really moving around each other spaces, and we have the rhythm that's being created by the people, people in the circle and the musicians as well. And then we have the song. And the song is like a history being told. And so I speak about the embodiment first. When we have the players moving in space together,

in my thesis, I talk about how this breaks down the individualism of Western society. So or the preferencing of individualism around the world. actually. So we as people who privilege mind over body, we privilege ways of being that focus with the mind. For example, we sit at desks all day on computers. And so for Australians, for example, to step into the world of Capoeira, they suddenly realize their bodily intelligence. And so this is a huge part of my research and a huge part of my work today is actually understanding what wisdom and intelligence the body holds and what wisdom and intelligence the body speaks always and that we can tap into this. We're actually not

separate beings in separate bodies. When we step into the Kappaware space, we realize, because it's all non-corrographed. We learn the movements. We learn the kicks. We learn to spin and move in certain ways, but we don't so much learn long sequences and like how to to work these with other people. We make the spontaneous decisions about how the body makes the spontaneous decisions about how to move in accordance with the other body. And so this is a really beautiful way to actually invert the privileging of mind over body and bring through the mentality of the body or the intelligence of the body and let that be the driver for this time.

And once we do that and realize that we're not separate, we break down our individualistic ideals in the mind because we don't actually have a mind and a body. We have what's called a body mind system where the body is always speaking to the mind and the mind is always speaking to the body. And it's actually one integrated system with these pathways. But what we've done in the West is we've pulled all of this energy up here

and we just think of the body as a servant almost. The body does the mind's business. bidding, but this is not actually the case. We have intelligence in our heart. We have intelligence in so many systems in our body that the mind doesn't have much say over at all, although our states can obviously impact our health and vice versa. And so, yeah, Capoeira is beautiful, and it really is an embodied experience of our embodied intelligence. and how we look at the bodies in the middle don't just work with each other. They work with the music that's being played as well.

And they work with the stories that are being told as well. So if we move to the music, it's actually a new way of perceiving the world. We talked about sound before and how can we actually hear sound with the body? body. So we think about, yeah, okay, the ears are part of the body. So yes, we can. But we always think about we hear sound with the ears. But what if we feel sound?

And what if our movements, if we let the body take over, like the full body as an intelligent being, as part of our intelligent being, if we let it move in time with the resonance that is created by the sonic movement of the instruments. So the movement begets movement, but the movement begets the sound which begets the movement. This is a really part where we're really starting to tap into what is magic in this space. And what is energy in this space?

Because energy is essentially movement. And so, that's when we can all start to see ourselves moving as one. And what becomes really amazing is the Kapoor Mestra's ability to kind of work in the the stories and the spoken word into this melange, which is already there. So the Kapoorah Mera-Messera-Messera. who have a native Brazilian tongue in some very, very advanced other capoeiastes, they're actually able to, it's almost like a rap.

They're able to see what's happening in the space and speak it back to the space. And so they have the songs which speak about the period of slavery. There's some really beautiful allegory and metaphorical songs in there. But then the Kapooristas are also able to see what's happening in the circle and speak it back and actually even anticipate what's happening there. And so the song is also part of this one organism. And this is really what's unique about Kapuera as a practice. I don't know any other practice in the world that has this particular magic about it.

And I think it's what draws people in so rapidly. Because we say, wow, what is that? People are moving in time with the music, which is moving in time with the song, which is moving in time with the people. It's really beautiful to watch. It's one of the most beautiful things. And people just say, how?

Is that choreographed? Actually, no, it's not. We're just letting ourselves be human. Yeah, our language seems so limited on a verbal linguistic level. And you could argue that when you see something, or better yet when you participate in something like that, the body is moving in conjunction with the words, is moving in conjunction with the feeling,

and you're actually communicating on a level that we haven't communicated for a long time. The same way a lawyer can take something out of context, just using one modality of language is taking something out of context. And maybe that's why there's no meaning. Like, wouldn't it be a better world if every time you had to introduce yourself, you had to be, hi, my name is George. I had to do a dance while I said my name.

Like that would be so much better, right? Like, if everybody had this is a new rule, when you introduce yourself, you've got to do a dance and say your name. First off, it would be hard to get angry, right? And like, you kind of like this person's style right here, you know? And, like, you are communicating your name through your moves as you say it. Like, maybe that's how it's supposed to be. And when you start talking about these other cultures, it sounds to me. me, like, that's kind of how things were. This is the story being acted out in front of you in

real time with a rhythm that everybody can feel and everyone's part of it. Like, on some level, I'm very hopeful because I see, maybe it's the cool people I get to talk to all the time, but I see this beginning to circle back and do, wow, no wonder we're always bickering and fighting. We're not even conveying any meaning to each other. We're doing our very best to say things without ever offending someone because we're afraid. But like, that's blowing up. It doesn't work anymore. I love hearing about this is amazing to me. It's so true. It's so true. George for president of the world. Everybody must dance every time they meet each other. It would be better, right? Wouldn't it be better? Like, it would transcend culture and languages. Like, if this is a new universal

rule, instead of trying to set up like the World Economic Forum, we should have like the World Introduction Forum and everybody, this is the new world. The World Dance Forum. People love watching dance, like dancing with the stars or this particular modality or dance battles. You know, like we love. And maybe it harkens back to this idea that we have lost. And another way to too is a lot of times in the West, because we are so focused on the linguistic representation of our lives, that we do sit in the desk. We sit here and our body suffers. A lot of people are obese.

A lot of people have arthritis. or a lot of people have these problems with their bias because they're probably not using it in the way and you're cutting yourself. Another, you know who would be interesting for you to probably read? Maybe I already have this Ian McGilchrist who talks about left or right brain, left brain lateralization. And he talks about the left brain being this analytical tool

in which we use the scalpel to dissect everything. And the right hemisphere seems to be this idea that gets the pictures. But you could use that metaphor for the brain and body as well. It's fascinating to see these things happening out in the world. But here's, okay, so as we stay on on this, but we just move it over a little bit, when we look at resonance and you've done a phenomenal job at explaining communication through residence using the couple war of metaphor and container. But let's move it into when you're speaking with a client and now you have this resonance. Is there any danger in breaking someone open who is maybe vulnerable or maybe is in a very sensitive?

suggestive state. Like, might that be a little bit dangerous sometimes? Oh, that's a really good question. Thank you. What's life about a little danger? Yeah, I agree. That's the spice of life, right? Mm-hmm. Well, yeah, I think I'm seeing this question from multiple angles. Yeah. Because we've actually driven ourselves into such a dangerous state.

in our current conscious perceptions that there's so much unraveling that needs to be done. And what's to say that the way we live at this point as a collective, just to generalise, every day is not dangerous? What's to say that not acknowledging the whole power of who we are isn't. dangerous. To just continue on this hamster wheel of being so blind to our full spectrum of consciousness that we're actually destroying each other and destroying the planet and destroying ourselves.

As you say, like look at the illness that we're creating in our, fields all the time by for example not going out in the sunshine not be feeling blessed by the warmth of the rays as we sit outside in the grass and like put our hands in that magic every day we're just cutting so much out of who we are and it's going to take a bit of unravelling to to get back there. That's the reality of it. And I'm just reading, thank you, Thomas Hatchez, listening is sound, touching our ears. If you felt it on the body, you hear it in your heart, love dancing for embodiment. It's been used to process trauma for thousands of years. Yeah, Capoeira is like mytho poetic dancing. Absolutely.

Dance now, Thomas. We all have a little dance. Yeah, thanks Thomas. Love it. And so, yeah, so that's where I sit with that and with that concept of danger in unraveling this prison of consciousness that we've created for ourselves in this moment. But on the other side of things, it's absolutely confronting for people. it's absolutely confronting for people to go through a spiritual or conscious awakening and understanding themselves as not a separate person in a separate body, but part of this field of consciousness, which includes everything, which includes like dead people, which includes like lives from before,

that we are actually a soul having a human experience. And this is not the only body. that we've, you know, experienced life in, and that there might be life on other planets and we can travel there and we can tap into the quantum field. We are the masters of our own destiny, you know. We can create and co-create. That's overwhelming for a mind and a body that is simply in that kind of,

I don't even really use these dichotomous terms, but in the sleepwalking state, let's say, of just like going to work and coming home and looking at the tax bills and trying to make ends meet and thinking that their education has served them up until this point because it's kind of formed their belief system which has trapped them into this smallness,

this egoic identity. And so peeling back those layers, it can be painful, it can be very confronting. And this is the reason that I do my work on a longer term basis. I've been through it myself. I experienced like a very intense kundalini awakening about 10 years ago. And I actually, because of the way that society is structured as well, there's this constant fear around whether someone is sane or not.

So there's been all of these structures created to like, if you hear voices, you must be schizophrenic. If you see visions, you must be crazy. And if you don't have the right support when you start opening your third eye, and you start opening your audible field, you can end up in a downward spiral that will take you to these institutions and this way of thinking. And we know this because when in other cultures, it's really interesting when you were talking about dance before as well, just to segue, because dance in indigenous and African cultures was considered demonic during colonisation was actually stamped out.

because of the power that it brings us and gifts us. And so this is part of the part. And the beautiful thing about my work is you don't even have to go into conspiracy theories to understand the control mechanisms that are happening. Because by stamping out these powerful dances that were ritualistic, ways of connecting with spirit from the other, which is the other cultures, those in power gain more control over more people. And so it's easy to see the gradual shift into materialism,

into reductionist materialism, and into capitalistic materialism, and how that currently controls our world, order to keep the masses small. And so during an awakening, this is one thing to deal with. Yeah. The collective consciousness and how it's been hoodwinked into seeing itself as small to keep the current structures in place. It's a control mechanism for humanity.

And so dealing with that is really hard. And so part of that is not having these same support systems that the shamanistic cultures have. Okay, so when a person starts to awake to their spiritual gifts, they will go through, you know, what some cultures call like a spirit sickness. And so they open up to like all these energies. And the community comes in and they hold it and they nurture it and they teach it as well. And so then it becomes a shamanistic gift, for example. But in the West, because we're so postmodern, we're just so splattered all over the place.

And there's not these strong traditions to hold, like, because, you know, if we look in at the UK and Europe, we did have these traditions. We had the pagan traditions. We had the druid traditions. We had all these knowledges. And decolonial scholars will include women in their notions of oppression because they go all the way back to the burning of the witches. And they say this is where the moorings for modern Western society began, modern Western material society began,

because we started to stamp out all aspects of spirituality where the person had the power inside themselves. And then when we look at Christianity and Catholicism, if we're just looking at the West, we know that the power is with the priest and the power is with the government. It's not within the person themselves. And so the collective awakening is awakening

to people's true power within themselves. The spiritual awakening is an awakening to a world beyond the material, a world beyond the veil. And both of these things are scary. Both of these things break down every conditioning that we've experienced and everything we've been taught to believe over decades of education and watching TV and being in families that also have been through this similar conditioning. being in communities and states and countries. Because if we look at it, borders are even a part of this. And it goes so deep. And everyone who goes through this will have their own experiences of it.

So having been through the intensity of all of this over many, many years, I have seen perhaps not all, but I've seen a lot. and I've held a lot for myself and I can now hold that for others. And so when I do my work, I make sure that I am holding space for the person to have the awakening within that container, which is safe. And it's confronting and it's difficult. Yeah. But when you have someone there saying, yes, you are on the right track and you are okay.

You're not insane. There's nothing wrong with you. You're actually a step ahead of the rest of humanity. Keep going. You're a warrior. You're a way shower. There are others out there who are experiencing this as well. And obviously, I work with people on different levels.

Some people will just have one experience. That will be very confronting for them. But this is why I like to integrate and work with people over a longer period and hold them through rituals and share my experiences. And I also have communities that they can become a part of as well. I have membership communities that people become a part of and share with. But yeah, there's a lot of unraveling to do. And, yeah, danger is, is.

a kind of multi-layered word in that. It is. Yeah. I, I, it just, on some level, touching that ember, getting close to that flame and the flame that burns away the illusions, that is the conditioning. It's, like, once you, once you see, you can't unsee it. And sometimes that allows you to go, I have wasted my life for, 47 years. You know, and that is the dangerous part. Like, it's beautiful and it's liberating.

But if you're not in a position and maybe you're in a relationship and the person you're with, like, what are you doing? You're ruining everything. What's wrong with you? Or, you know, you lose your job or you're like, I can't do it anymore. I just, I can't do it. It's wrong. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, be part of it. It would disgust me. I can't do it. Like, those are real things that happen. I'm like, that can lead to depression or anxiety. And you're right, there's not enough mentors. There's not, there's not a medical container or a ceremonial container for people going through this awakening. And I think that if you find yourself in a position where you're starting

to question things, the beauty of being online is that there's tons of threads to pull on. There's a light there. You just have to look for it. And you'll find it. You'll find the, guy that you're supposed to talk to where someone close to him, they can point in the right direction, but it can be jarring, I think, on some level. And I think it's half, I think there's a quickening. I think more and more people are seeing this outlook. You know, I've, I've spoken to some death doulas and, you know, all you need do is pick up a biography of someone you admire and read about their last days and they say things like, I wish I wouldn't have spent so much time in the office, you know, they never say, I wish I would have made more money. But they do say,

I wish I would have been a better person. I wish I would have loved more. I wish I would have felt more deeply. I wish I would better a brother or husband or sister, daughter, or mother. Like that in some way is a generational transfer of knowledge to the next generation. Like, hey, watch out for this. And then if this, now if you don't have to wait until 70, now if you can start learning it at 50, now these 50-year-olds can teach the 30-year-olds and they can, you know,

you can see it beginning to move down a little bit. And I do think that that is a problem for power structure. And I think that's what's echoing throughout the world right now is this resonance of freedom that people are like, I'm not doing it anymore. And the more you try to clamp down, the worst it's going to get. And I think power structures have their own, you know, corporation is a person or something like that. But the more they clamp down, the worse it gets. And I don't, they're probably, a lot of people are probably panicking. You know, economy probably will collapse. But it's a good thing. Like it has to collapse. Like, otherwise we're all going to die. You know, it's kind of crazy to think about, right? Yeah. Exactly. And I mean, these death and rebirth cycles are happening throughout eternity. And we're going through this collective awakening. And the earth is going through this awakening as well. And so things have to fall away.

And our structures have to fall away. I mean, if you look at the history of nations, actually countries are a complete construct. Yeah. And they haven't been around that long. And all of the institutions that govern have been around for like a few years only, govern the world. And so they were created by those in power at a particular time, but we're always in flow.

And people who aim to retain power can only do so for a certain amount of time before the power of the whole takes over. And it's interesting what you're saying is like we're not taking it anymore is because when we talk about, you know, the 500-year cycle of Western power, which has essentially been Europe and then the US, we talk about it as like a patriarchy and we talk about those that are oppressed. But if we look at it, I would say that human. is the victim.

Yeah. Because even the, you know, the white male who stood up there as the one in power, he's suffering too. He's suffering too. The nuclear family, which is a creation of this time, is actually not helpful for anyone's mental, physical, emotional health. Because when we put children into the mix, there's, and we live, look at like double income nuclear families, there's no one to look after the children.

And so we're institutionalizing our children at birth. And we're creating this separation of generations and missing out on all that love that is possible between human beings. the love between the mother and the child when the mother has to go to work full time to pay for the house or the father is working full time the love between the mother and the father the love between the father and the child it's it's crazy to think about how imprisoned we are within this materialistic capitalism that we've created just to stay afloat. And so a lot of my consciousness is around,

I suppose, colonial versus like oppressed cultures, which we might want to call indigenous cultures. It's really, some people call it Bipoc. That's the acronym, but, and, a lot of it for me is Africa because my husband is from West Africa. And so I get to see the difference between what people consider just normal in the West and what people consider normal in West Africa. And in West Africa, absolutely.

In West Africa, the family is structured so that aunties, uncles, cousins, moms and dads are all in the same home. And so the children are being looked after by family all the time. And one person will go out to work. One person will cook the meals. One person will do the washing. One person will be with the children. It's not like one woman doing all of these menial tasks.

And then also trying to go to work at the same time. And so these structures are, kind of self-fulfilling prophecies for the West because we keep ourselves on the hamster wheel, but at the same time they're breaking down because we're all at breaking point with this way of living. And the reason we're all at breaking point with this way of living is because of the lack of connection that it creates. The lack of connection with the earth, the lack of connection with the air, sky, sun, ground,

water, the lack of connection with humans, the lack of connection with ourselves, the lack of connection with the greater consciousness. We're all suffering from this lack of connection. And those who don't see it are still suffering. They just don't see the way out. And so I see the awakening as like the sunlight that comes through. And we say, oh, there's a hole up there. kind of like look up and we look through the hole and we put our finger there and we press it a little bit and then it gets bigger and it gets bigger and suddenly we can see this whole amazing potential of what we can be and how we can be and then we're like get me out of this hole I want to be out there.

Yeah there was a saying oh not too long ago like winter is coming but I think the opposite is almost true. I think spring is here. We're beginning to see the leaves change. Like, hey, look at this green shoot over here. Wow, that's, isn't that, is that the sunrise? Look at those colors. And, like, people are just, like, just moving away from the drudgery, or at least trying to, or at least trying to, to awaken.

You know what? Maybe it has something to do if maybe it has something to do with the generation that's moving on. Like the boomer generation is such a giant generation. And they're now moving on to. to whatever comes next. I don't know what comes next, but this giant generation is moving on to this next phase. And with that comes the passing of the torch.

And like, their ideas, the idea is the vehicle that got us here is no longer the vehicle we're going to take. It's like we're changing vehicles now. And all right, guys, get on the bus. We'll see you.

We love you. Give me a hug before we go to camp. You know, we got it from here. But at the same level, we don't want to lose all the knowledge. Because I still feel like, There's so much more knowledge that we, and I can imagine on some level,

it must be difficult to wake up to this idea of like, man, you know, what would it be like to be 70 and wake up to the idea of I wasted my life? That has to be a horrible feeling. And I say that not to make people feel bad that are older, but to inspire people now that are older and that are younger. Like, don't wait for that. Don't wait to live your life. going up and doing something every day that you despise is not living.

Having the courage to try something new will be the first step down the path. You don't have to quit your job right now and walk away and leave everything, but do something that one day that scares you, right? And that will begin building momentum into finding something that you want to do. And once you just take that one baby step, you start walking up close to it, something will whisper to you, hey, just over here, do this thing, you know. But the world will begin talking to you. in a way you can't imagine and it will unfold in a way that is scary and liberating and wonderful

and you'll begin to live a life that's more meaningful and I think that that is how we change as everyone begins to be doing something more meaningful. Absolutely. Oh, there's so much in that. Yeah. There's so much in that. And one thing that I see is people are stuck in a scarcity mindset. Yeah.

And this is what controls people. Yeah. Stuck in the scarcity mindset. I work with some very affluent people who are scared. Yeah, of course. It's really scared that they don't have a safety net underneath them, that there's not enough somehow. And the beautiful thing about my work is realizing,

and the awakening process is realizing that there is enough. The earth is abundant, life is abundant, and it is always lifeing. Life is coming, life is, always there to serve us. We moved into this amazing house, which we manifested. It's got like something for everyone. And the fruit trees out the back are just so abundant.

There's just about seven different fruit trees and they just keep fruiting. And it's such a beautiful metaphor for life. Like when you look outside and see what life is gifting us, there's no need to be scared. but again, are these control mechanisms in place? The news is the media is just one of the most significant control mechanisms that we need to just switch off from and take our own power back from. Because it's very scary to see the energetics that the media that the media, that, The news in particular emits out into the field. Yeah.

It's constantly telling you that you should be scared. You should be afraid of something. If it's not war, then it's interest rates. Yeah. If it's not that, it's the guy down the street. Watch out for him. Yeah. Yeah.

Or all those people coming across the border, watch out for those people. Yeah, exactly. They're probably going to do something to you. or your family, you know, like, get out of you happen, dude. It's just a big, like, alarm bell going up on your mind, like, be afraid, be afraid, look at that. You're going to die. Just blaring at you. Basically, you're going to die.

Look how many people did today. Yeah, yeah. My brother calls it the news, who died today. The title should be who died today. Yeah, yeah. That's smart. And it's not to say that there are not horrific things happening in the world, but there's responsible reporting of these things.

And then there's just this, like, fear-inducing control mechanism that is the media and the news at this point in time. And I feel like the baby boomers are perhaps the greatest victims here. Because being around when TV was first introduced, how, like, what a huge technological leap that was. and what a sign it now is of affluence and communication. There's a belief, not for everyone, it's obviously generalisation, but this belief in government and structures. And I believe that the media forms part of that, that they will keep us safe.

And you just see it was especially sad during COVID. the fearmongering that occurred combined with the lockdowns and being in Melbourne, we were one of the most lockdown cities in the world. It really took people's life force away and people's joy to live, you know, because there was just so much fear, just so much fear. And that trauma continues to this day for people that are, like, like 50, 60 plus who have already been through a lot in their lives and I probably haven't dealt with their own personal trauma and believe in the media, believe in TV, believe in

the government institutions being placed in this position for like two to three years of being in fear. it's actually like has killed a lot of people and it's killed a lot of people's spirits. Yeah. They were targeted. You know,

when you look at the way in which information is brought to different generations, it is the boomer group that watches TV. I mean, 80% of their market is 60 and up. Look at the information that came through. And you could almost see the, this generation thinks this, this generation, this, and this, like, that's not a, that's orchestrated, you know, on some level,

I know enough with my podcast to know how to target different groups. People can go on Facebook and you could have targeted ads. Like, just think about that word. It's, okay, who you targeted? I want to target this demographic, this group that likes these. Like, if you can do that, if I can do my podcast, a multinational corporation's got some assets, man, they got to focus like a laser meme. We want these people to get this message for this long.

Send it. Like that is a targeted ad right there. And, you know, why it was done, there's plenty of speculations of why it was done, but it was definitely done. And you're right, when you look at that group as a victim or as maybe not as a victim, but as a consumer, this group will consume this. You know, like, it's so, it's sinister. It really is.

It really is. It's sad. And so, but it's very much. my work, I suppose I bring people back to wholeness. And so for those people that are like on their deathbeds regretting or the people, I can tell you, you know, seconds later they will be with their angels and they will be at peace and they will see or they'll go through their life review and be like, oh, whoops. We probably shouldn't do that next time like that. I mean, obviously, There's, you know, different levels.

But many people, once they go through their life review and they resolve what they did, they are spiritually held by light. And there are light beings that encompass this light. And we might call them angels. We might call it light. But when we transition from life to beyond physical life, because it's still life, the amount of love that we experience during that journey really shows us that whatever happened before is minuscule

compared to how beautiful everything is in this moment. And that is not to say that we don't dream. raw regrets and feelings into our next lifetime, but it's part of our soul's evolution. So the beautiful thing about working with me as well is that if you catch me while you're alive, while you're still deep in life with a few years to go, you can come to peace with so many aspects of who you've been, who you are, what you did, what you didn't do, because you're going to see your life from the perspective of the soul, not from the perspective of the human who was like, oh, I chased money too much and now I regret that I wasn't better to my son or daughter.

You're going to see, oh, I was working through this concept. I was working through this concept and trying to see the beauty in it. And it was actually like my work was like just a foundation for me to do this soul work. So we have all these constructs in life, like we go to our work. We go to, maybe we're involved in a particular community, you know, even like the total structures of our world at the moment, they are how they are at this point for us to experience the emotions and the insights and work through them for our soul's evolution.

So we could be in a job with a boss that we don't like who in a parallel lifetime was like, we had some stuff going on and we have to sort it out this lifetime. And it's a totally different construct of reality. But it's about the interrelations. And it's about where we can move through and find the spaciousness. And so when we start to realize that, we start to realize that, we start to realize that nothing is a waste of time. Nothing is a mistake.

And we can see our power through all of it. And this is actually what heals our relationships because we're healing our relationship with ourselves first. We're overcoming these feelings of regret. We're overcoming these feelings of guilt. We're overcoming these feelings of I did the wrong thing. And once we overcome those feelings, we clear them from our energetic field and it allows others to come closer to us.

And once we do that, then there's deeper resonance. There's deeper emotional resonance. We can actually have the relationships that we always wished we had. We can have... I want to cry. We can have the depth of a relationship of a lifetime in one moment. We can have the full depth and beauty of, of what could have been a great long-term relationship with our children or whatever in one single moment of trust and love and deep connection and truth.

It's wonderful to think about, you know, the idea that maybe this whole, the way this pans out is a original way for us to find a way to forgive ourselves. You know what I mean? Like the whole thing is like, oh, I'm making peace with myself over here. And if you think about it, I go, it's so much better. Like, oh, this is what I was like. I need to work on that. Like in some ways, you know, a while back I was speaking to someone and we got under the idea of Carl Young and the shadow. But more than that, the idea that everyone's a mirror.

And the people you see are in fact attributes of yourself that either you dislike or you admire. And when you see that there's another people, you can see it from that. angle, you can do some real work like, oh, I am way too arrogant. I need to stop that because that person's showing me this, you know, like I don't like the way that looks. I better stop doing that, you know, or I love this. I love that I do that, you know. Hopefully there's more of that in your life. And if there's not, you should look for it because I think all people have things they admire about themselves, but sometimes they're so caught up in the work they're doing or feeling sorry for themselves or their family or the trauma that they don't get to enjoy that

little spark that comes by him sometimes. But Rebecca, I could probably, we're going to have to do more of these conversations because it's, you know, it's so strange to me, all my podcast that start off in a way that's a little turbulent end up being like some of the most meaningful conversations. Like, I just look at it as a blessing on. I'm like, that's going to be a good one right here. So I'm super thankful for our conversation today. And I feel like we just kind of scratched the surface, even though we got to go in depth on

some things, I think we could have much more conversations about a lot of things. But before I let you go today, maybe you could talk a little bit about where people can find you, what you have coming up and what you're excited about. I would love to. I'm excited about life. I'm excited about this beautiful conversation. It's just been such an honor and such a blessing to speak with you and to share my world. I have some amazing things coming up. I'm going to be holding space for a 21-day.

day chakra reset over new years. Yeah. So this will be kind of an introduction to my work for many people. We'll be doing, we'll be activating, balancing, cleansing and refreshing a chakra every three days and working through that and just being very conscious and noticing what that brings into our space. And so if you're aware, the chakra system is very, very connected with the kundalini energy. And so the intent here is to start the new year off with a bang. And so to, because we can make all of the new year's resolutions that we like. And if we don't have our state, yeah, if we don't have our state in power,

it's just going to fall away. And so this is going to be a really powerful process to, to bring our energy body into its highest state of potential so that we can then manifest our dreams, manifest our reality throughout the year. And I'll be doing a closing ceremony, which will be a manifestation ceremony with that. So it's going to be amazing. So I encourage everyone who would love to have a magnificent 2024 to get in touch with me and come through the journey, it will be so profound and so awakening or inspiring and very magical,

and I'd love to hold you through it and watch your lives transform. Beyond that, it's very exciting that I'll be running my first facilitator training coming up very soon. Yeah, so that's planned to begin in March just after the chakra reset. And I'll be holding people through this for three months. And it's very, very, very deep work. People will be looking at themselves, will be going through somewhat of an awakening process. So peeling back all the layers.

Learning the sacred art of channeling of journey work. So this is my term for, work which is like for example breath work or medicine work through sound and i invite anyone who's interested in energy energetics who's interested in resonance and the power of sound to to bring through altered states as well as healing and awakening processes to apply i'd love to speak with you um i also have a soul circle membership which is a monthly membership where people can come and receive healing from me, an awakening process, and that's a beautiful community that's building.

And beyond that, I love working deeply one-on-one with private clients. So if you feel like you're ready for a huge shift in your consciousness and to experience a true awakening and to step into your inner genius, I really encourage you to connect with me and go on a three, six or 12 month journey with me. I will hold you through it all. You will be completely safe and you will be awakened to your genius potential, you know, with my support and love. And so you can connect with me.

I'm on all the social media sites, and my website is rebecca saar.com. So, yeah, maybe we can put some things up. And, yeah, people, I'd be so happy to hear from you and to hold you through the beauty that is life. Yeah, I recommend everybody. Go down, check out the website. Play through this podcast again, or check out the other interviews or the things,

people that you've spoken with. I really think that you have a deep drawer when it comes to finding tools to help people see. themselves in a way that they want to see themselves. And I think that's a big part of finding who you are in the world and authenticity. So ladies and gentlemen, go down to the show notes, look into these things and reach out to Rebecca. And I hope everyone has a beautiful day.

I hope that there's a small miracle that happens to you today and tomorrow and every day after us. That's all we got for today, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you have a wonderful day. Aloha. Hang on briefly afterwards, Rebecca. I'll let's speak you afterwards. Amazing.

Thank you so much.