TrueLife - Ryan Latreille - Quiet Courage Changes Everything

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/🎙️Ryan LatreilleIn a world addicted to speed and deafened by distraction, there is a plant that whispers.It speaks in the language of sun on stone, in the pulse of rain on desert soil — a rhythm older than empires, enduring beyond the fever of our age.The ancients of the Cape called it kanna — a bridge between shadow and light, between the storms of the heart and the stillness at its center.Our guest has not only heard that whisper — he translates it for the modern soul.Ryan Latreille, alchemist of the unseen, steward of the subtle, founder of Kanna Extract Co., Hearthstone Collective, and Flow Labs — a man walking the liminal edge between ethnobotany and innovation, culture and chemistry, earth wisdom and human evolution.With over a decade immersed in mushrooms, plant medicines, and the art of transformation, he’s shaping a future where wellness is a birthright — and every molecule is chosen with reverence.If you’re curious about the benefits of Kanna check out his website and use promo code “TRUELIFE” at checkout. Kanna Extract Company – Kanna Extract Co.https://www.instagram.com/kannaextract?igsh=MTBkYnZsNWF3ZnRmYQ== One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

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It speaks in the language of sun on stone, in the pulse of rain on desert soil, a rhythm older than empires, enduring beyond the fever of our age. The ancients of the Cape called it Kana, a bridge between shadow and light, between the storms of the heart and the stillness at its center. Our guest has not only heard that whisper, he translates it for the modern soul. Ryan Lattrell, alchemist of the unseen, steward of the subtle, founder of Kana extract.com, hearthstone collective and flow labs, a man walking the liminal edge between ethnobotany and innovation, culture and chemistry, earth, wisdom, and human evolution, with over a decade immersed in mushrooms, plant medicine, and the art of transformation. He's shaping a future where wellness is a birthright,

and every molecule is chosen with reverence. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan LaTrell, thanks for being here, Ryan, how are you? I'm doing well. That was the most beautiful intro anyone's ever given me. Thank you. Yeah. I love it, man. You give me a copy of that? That was awesome. Yeah, man. Well, you know, I want people in my audience, whether they're watching, whether they're listening, to get to see people the way I see them. And I know we, I met you briefly out at the psychedelic Playhouse event, and it was an awesome event out there. And I just, I want to bring you on here, man, just to give people an idea of not only who you are, but what you're up to in this world and Kana. And so, yeah, man, I'm really stoked you're here. And that being said, is there anything

I left out there for you to fill in or any kind of anything before we jump into some questions here? I feel like you covered it. And it's such a good intro for Kana in particular because not a lot of people have heard of Kana, but it's it comes from this ancient, it's an ancient, ancient plant medicine that comes from like the cradle of humanity where maybe we all came from and so it's been used for who knows how long well how did you get like how did you find connor did conna find you oh it found me for sure i uh i uh was um 26 i had never experienced a psychedelic I never like been high in my life at that point and I was invited to a facilitated experience where, you know, facilitators are sharing compounds with people and so I didn't even really

understand what I was being given. Like I'd never done even a yoga class before that. So, and this is 2012. So it's like a very different, different landscape in this world. like everything's very underground still and yeah I was invited to this facilitated experience and I was given it it was a combination of MDMA and Kana and not only was it my first time experiencing an altered state of consciousness but my first heart opening which is like a very specific kind of altered state and it was very very profound and changed the truth the trajectory of my entire life after that experience. Man, it's interesting to see or listen to the account of someone who can experience a new relationship with themselves after just taking a psychedelic or Kana or MDMA.

How did your life change after that? I mean, it sounds pretty profound to me, and I don't, as someone who's had some pretty profound experiences, it sounds like one of those experiences where after you have it, like your relationship with everything else changes. changes? For sure. I mean, I like, you know, as I really like start to, I don't even know if I've like this many years later, I don't even know if I've processed it enough, right, to really properly appreciate it. But what I, what I remember so vividly is, you know, I think what's so profound about, that, you know, those two compounds, Kana, MDMA, they fall into this category of and pathogens, which in the world of psychoactive substances, they don't, they're not like LSD or mushrooms, like they don't produce a lot of visuals. It's more of like this internal emotional

experience. And for me, it was like, I didn't realize how much weight I was carrying on my shoulders until I felt it melt away in that moment. And it was so important. Like I, I mean, I knew in that moment, like, if more people could feel this, the world would be so much better. And it's like not a, it wasn't a mystical experience. I didn't experience God. It was just this, like, intense experience of, like, relief and safety. And, yeah, I feel like the world, like, people could really benefit from that right now. Release and safety.

write that down like that's such a good description of what happens when you're kind of a in tune with with reality and it seems like on some level we're so caught up in like algorithms and urgency and like just hustle culture what what what what an escape to get to feel the release and the something and and and and that weight be released from you man was that but you mentioned it was with mdma and kana and the combination yeah the combination of the two What is Kana like? There's probably lots of people that are listening to this that are like, what is Kana? Maybe we could back up and say what is Kana, and then we can dive into like what it feels like Solimente.

So Kana is a plant medicine that comes from South Africa. It's a succulent that grows in the deserts there on the West Coast. It contains unique psychoactive compounds that aren't found in anything else on the planet. So what you feel from it is unique to Kana. You know, on its own, the, like, I would say it's very functional. So what meaning like it's, I guess to preface, like, Kana's not scheduled, it's not a scheduled substance, it's legal, but it is psychoactive. Like when you take it, you feel it and what you feel is happier, calmer. You feel more connected.

Like you feel more at ease, especially like in social situations. And you, yeah, you just like feel delightful is like a good way to describe it. Now there's different ways to take it. There's different potencies that you can take that will make that much more intense or much more gentle. But for the most part, that's the difference. description of Kana and then when you pair it with other compounds like MDMA or mushrooms it really does transform like change that entire like it alchemizes that entire experience to make it more in the heart and body so with with MDMA in

particular what's really nice is you can take like half the amount of MDMA and still have a full heart opening and so the experiences, I would say, like more, like softer, less speedy, you know. Yeah. And the recovery is also a lot easier. Man. It sounds like it takes that edge off of some of those other compounds that are a little bit difficult to deal with.

Like I know, like sometimes for psilocybin, like the come up can be a little tough or, you know, these different kind of compounds. Like it sounds like it really is sort of a companion to them. What's it like you mentioned there's different sort of ways to take it. In some ways make it more intense. Some ways make it less intense. And I noticed that when I go to the kana extract.com, there's different sort of settings for it. Is that because of the dosage?

Or maybe you can run through like what makes Kana a light, gentle rush and what makes it more of an intense rush? Is it the extract? Is it the drops? Maybe you can talk about the varieties of which taking it changes. the experience of it? So, you know, our specialty is providing very pure high potency construct. And that starts with the genetics of the plant.

Like if you don't have that foundation, you're not going to be able to produce a really good extract. So we're working with very high potency strains that have unique compositions of these alkaloids that are in the plant. But yeah, so our specialty is extracts. And so if you're on the site, you'll see there's four pure extract powders of Kana, lift, bliss, rest. I don't know if you've been on the site.

Yeah, of course. So those are all pure Kana. They're just, you could think of it like different strains of cannabis. The extract profile is different. Like the ratio of those alkaloids to each other is different. And they actually feel very different when you take them. and they're literally activating different neurotransmitters when you take those powders. And they're very versatile.

So, you know, our extracts, we supply a lot of brands with their extract that they put in their products. So they can be put into edibles like gummies or chocolates. I would say that's probably the most common way that people take Kana is orally. and so those powder is either in an edible form or you could simply like mix it into your coffee or tea and that experience I would say is like middle of the road like it's a very functional experience where you're you're very much in control you're like you can go about your day you can have conversations it's really just going to enhance your day it's like lighter than say like a microdose of mushrooms and it's more like

this euphoric feeling happy experience with the lift at least. We have profiles that are more relaxing. I would say the, like if you take it encapsulated, it's a little bit stronger. And so we have the Kana Daly's on there. And you can combine Kana with other compounds and it really potentates those effects. And then I would say next strongest way

to take it is sublingually. So if you take anything sublingually, it's bypassing your GI, it's being absorbed through your bloodstream through these capillaries beneath your tongue, and you're going to have a more rapid onset, and the come up is going to be stronger. Next, I would say, is inhaling it. So vaporizing it or smoking it.

We used to offer a can of vape, which is my favorite way to take it, but we can't sell it on our website anymore because of our credit card processor. They don't want selling vapes. And then finally, and then smoking it. So like putting it in if you use cannabis, that is an amazing combo. actually an ancient combo the indigenous communities that used to use Kana traditionally would combine it with cannabis for a more mystical experience with the plant and it's really nice combined with cannabis because it really like it mellows it out it's very rare to ever experience like a headiness or like

paranoia with like even people that are very prone to that with cannabis with the combo they have a really really nice experience with it. And then the strongest way to take it by far is to insufflate it. So to take it intra-nasily, like as a bump. And you don't need a lot to take it that way. And that is quite strong. Then you're going to like feel the full effects of Kana and recognize, okay, this is, this is a plant medicine for sure. that, you know, and I don't necessarily recommend people do that unless they've done that before, like, Hoppe or, you know, that, you know, the, the onset is like, depends on the person, 10 to 20 minutes, onset starts.

Then for about 30 minutes, it's a very strong come-up. And, yeah, it's quite pronounced for about 30 minutes, and then that settles down. And then you're just in this really nice, warm, glowing space for, like, two to three hours that is very functional. And then what's really cool about Kana is, like, after that two to three hour period, you're just back to baseline. And there's no hangover, no come down. Kana's non-addictive. So for people that are looking for, like, the ideal social high, like, something that they can take socially that will just, like, you know, they'll feel altered enough that they're, like, having a better. time, it's easier to connect, they're more relaxed socially, but they want to be able to

sleep that night. They only want it to last for a couple hours. They don't want to feel hung over the next day and they don't want to get addicted to it. Like that's kind of. So. Man, yeah, is it the same way? Like, I know that different modalities of taking it sometimes lead to longer lengths of half-life. Does that kind of make sense? Is it the different ways you take it? Is there a longer half-lap or a longer duration? It is so subjective. I do a lot of events. Right.

And I, so I've given Kana to a lot of people in a lot of different ways. And I've seen people go for it, like, go, like they're feeling it for like four hours, five hours, because they're out of party. And, you know, one of the things that's going on with Kana is that it's a dopamine agonist. So part of what's happening is that when you take it, like if you're in a situation that is naturally releasing your own dopamine, it's going to potentiate that. So you're going to feel even better. And so like set in setting is really important with it. So but yeah, typically like inhaling it is very rapid onset, short duration. orally and sublingually seem to have the longest.

That's like that two to three hour range. And then intranasally is where I've just seen a lot of variation. Anywhere from like two hours to five hours. Do you think that in your opinion is kind of more about chemistry or like the cosmology it grew inside? You know, I think it's both and I you know I talked to a lot of different groups of people that just have different Perspectives, you know like just I mean relationship is so important with with Psychedelic substances plant medicines like you you kind of get out of it what you put into it in the relationship that you build with it If you yeah if you want to look at it from more of a like an

energetic perspective or spiritual perspective. We, I mean, we, we love this plant. Like, you know, the whole crew that grows it, extracts it, runs this business. Like, we're, you know, our whole lives revolved around Kana. And it's like the lifebloods of our family. Like it's what gives us money to live in this society. and we get to share this like amazing medicine with people. So there's a lot of love that's going into the cultivation of the plants.

Like just the amount of time that it took to develop these genetics is significant. They're grown with respect to the people and planet. No pesticides or chemicals or anything like that is used in the cultivation of the plant. the extracts are as pure as you can get, third-party lab tested. We have benefit-sharing agreements where we are supporting indigenous communities that used Kana traditionally. And yeah, so, I mean, we try to really respect the plant and also operate effectively as a business in Western culture. and there you know as something that you can use in like for plant medicine practitioners I think Kana is very interesting like it's a very interesting plant ally to add to your

like tool belt or to your medicine cabinet because it's it's very gentle it works very much with the person that's taking it. So it's like a good entry point for people that are maybe scared to explore these spaces or are new to that. And it's a great precursor for like, you know, bringing someone in gently and then deepening the experience with stronger medicines because it does play so well with other compounds. And I also think just that, the fact that this is a plant medicine that comes from Africa, like the heart of the world, from where humanity may have like originated from is is also very, very unique. Yeah, I think so too.

You know, the word medicine, I always have a, I always get like caught up in this word medicine because it seems like it has this connotation of like being something that's like centrally sort of with medicine seems to me on some level to have a negative connotation because of all like the insurance companies that come with it or the pain that comes with it or the centralization that comes around medicine and stuff like that you ever grapple with like the difference between like medicine and like sacrament or how do you how do you navigate that uh i kind of adapt to whoever i'm talking to and it's like i'm speaking a unique language and so there's some people that like they get turned off by using the word second I I love using the word

psychedelic or psychoactive compounds me too or you know I don't like or even like I like I don't I like using the word substance like substances like I but they all like you're not gonna make everyone happy it's not possible but I but I totally hear what you're saying with plant medicine and sacrament I think like yeah I I I do totally hear what you're saying yeah it's it's such an interesting time and place right now because like we're on this cusp of sort of reestablishing a relationship with these with the environment you know I call it the environment like there's all these plant medicines out there but then there's all this pushback and sort of this residual propaganda left over from just say no or this is your brain on drugs like

it seems like where you're at it's a kind of a tricky place to navigate Yeah, I think everything in this world is going to be, I mean, like in the world of psychoactive compounds is going to be tricky. I really just focus on how do we make the best kind of possible. Yeah. And, and, you know, in terms of like the way. that we approach people. We haven't really like built, built a brand around like use cases. And like this is how you can use it to party or deepen into your heart. It's built more around like these are why like these are the ways that we're providing like the best kind of possible.

And that that's really just where I focus. So however you're going to use it, whatever kind of relationship you're going to make with it, we want to make sure you have the best possible source. That's a great way to navigate it. And you guys, when I go to the website, there's a point, and I think it drives it home that ethically sourcing it. Like what does that mean? How do you, how do you ethically source it in a time when it seems like there's going

to be more and more demand for it? Well, I think there's different, like there's different pillars of that. So one is. you know, especially as it becomes more popular, I'm starting to see more and more people start to sell Kana, what they're claiming to be Kana. Right. And you know, I think what's important for people like customers to understand or consumers to understand when you're buying Kana or trying to evaluate the quality of a product is

to know how much mesembring is in it. Mezumbrine is the main alkaloid in Kana in the way that THC is the main, like, active chemical in cannabis. And so you can imagine, like, if you are shopping for a cannabis product and they're not telling you how much THC is in it, you have no idea what you're buying. Like, they can tell you, oh, there's 100 milligrams of cannabis in it, or there's 500 milligrams of cannabis in it, or this is 100 to what. cannabis extract like that is irrelevant if you don't know how much THC is in it and and and that's what's starting to happen with Kana is you'll have like brands that are very very very inexpensive and they're just not using and like who knows if it's even really Kana in it because without the active alkaloid I don't know how you

identify the plant as well So that's one. And we, so we, I think that's like a very important part of ethics in just this world is like actually providing what you say you're providing. And we send all of our extracts to a third party lab that we have no connection with. And they do analytical testing of it. And not just of the active alkaloids. But this is something that not a lot of. people do because it's expensive but we also test for residual solvents and pesticides and

that yeah that's so important when you're working with extracts and and that is another thing that we're starting to see like in this space it's just like cannabis guys tried to get into it and they you know run it through their extractors and there's a lot of pesticides in in some of these extracts that are coming out there so that's that's a really important part. And then, yeah, aside from like the way we, you know, treat our plants and our, like, crew, we have benefit sharing agreements set up. So, like, a portion of all the Kana that's grown, like the value of that,

a percentage goes to supporting these indigenous communities that use Kana tradition. I love it, kind of giving back to the, the, what made it possible. What, does it go through like a fruiting stage? Like, how does the plant grow? Is there a certain stage? Does it flower like cannabis or when is the right time to harvest it? Or how does the growing process look like? It's a succulent.

Do you know what ice grass is? Have you seen ice grass here in Cal, on the West Coast? Yeah, yeah, usually at the beaches. Yeah, so it's part of that same family. Kana is much not as hardy as ice grass. It's more delicate. But it, yeah, it's relatively slow growing. It's a six month grow cycle until you can harvest it.

It's propagated a lot like cannabis. So we have a bank of mothers that we then take cuttings from and then clone them out to do big, big grows of like the plants that we then extract. And so, yeah, basically from the time that it's done, made a cutting, takes six months to become a fully mature plant before we then go through our extraction process. And it does flower. It does go to seed. If you were to not harvest the plant, it has a two to three year lifespan

before it's going to go to seed and die anyway. You know, it seems like there's a pretty big spiritual impact. Like, just with the language you're using and the methods that you're cultivating with, I can't help but see the relationship to spirituality. When you talk about giving back on sourcing it ethically or, you know, like the mother plant, like, do you think that your relationship with Kana has changed your relationship with spirituality? I, in some ways, I think in that, like, in that aspect, we found each other.

Ah, yeah. Because in, you know, in 2020, like, microdosing mushrooms and just microdosing in generals started to become very, very popular. And I really wanted to find. like something that I could offer, like a micro dosing product that I could offer people that was legal, that wasn't scheduled. And that was when, you know, so I discovered Kana way back in 2012, but I'd only ever worked with it in this, like, in these facilitated, like ceremonies. and it was when people really wanted to bring plant medicine into their day to day through microdosing that I started investigating Kana as a potential candidate for that because I

wanted something that was like psychoactive and you like felt something from it that had real efficacy for mental health when you microdose it that had a like a real lineage as a as a sacred plant. Yeah. And it wasn't scheduled. And Kana just checked all those boxes. But the more that I researched it, the more I realized that there was something really important here. Because the plant has all sorts of efficacy for mental health when taken in very low doses consistently over like a four to six week protocol.

and so, you know, in the process of trying to find the best Kana possible, I realized there was a real need to do what we're doing with Kana extract company, which is working directly with farmers on the ground to produce the best Kana extracts possible. It's so interesting to me to see or to think about like what this can mean. And if I if I broaden the horizon and I look at the way in which people in addiction are now starting to see Iboga as a method of curing addiction. It seems to me, and I'm not a scientist or a doctor, ladies and gentlemen, but you know, it seems to me that Kana could be in that field too. It sounds to me like it's taking away some of this edge, taking away some of these anxieties.

Have you ever been approached by some of these like addiction treatment centers or are you aware of any research where people are are looking at it to help people sort of move past these troubling times? So, yeah, all sorts of people order from us. There is, there's no studies on the extracts that we make and the products we make. I think that's an important disclaimer that anything that I'm about to say is not like FDA approved about our products. There are a lot of, there are a lot of lot of studies about that come from this company Zembrin that was the first like 30 it's I think it's like 30 years ago now they're the first ones to create a standardized extract of Kana that was like just a standardized amount of mesenbring like 0.4%. And they they backed a lot of studies

that so these are like what's really interesting is these are now 30 years of research with human beings. We don't have that with a lot of substances. And not only did it show significant efficacy for depression and anxiety without the side effects of what is traditionally prescribed for those issues, it also showed a very strong safety profile,

like it's a very safe thing to take, especially at those levels, like ridiculously safe. And it does not develop a dependency or tolerance. In fact, it seems to be the opposite, where it's like the more you take it, the less you need it. And, you know, I don't, I'm not aware of any studies that were done specifically on addiction treatment, but there has been a lot of anecdotal reports of it helping with curbing the like pain and craving that comes with with addiction and like withdrawals when you're like first coming off of whatever you're you're you're doing you had mentioned neurotransmitters earlier and we talked about dopamine is it work do you know if it's working on like the serotonic the serotonin system or is there other is there other neurotransmitters that it's working on It's a lot. I would show you a graph that shows all the different neurotransmitters that it hits, but I don't know if it'll come through here, but it's, yeah. So it hits your serotonin receptors, your, like, so the five H.T. receptors. Yep. The, here, let me actually just pull it up. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if this will come through. I can also text it to you. those are is it backwards the letters it's a little bit backwards but yeah i think people can get an

idea so anyway hits your gaba receptor receptors your cannabinoid receptors your pdineoid receptors your pd4 and pd3 receptors um 5htt receptors it hits a lot and and actually each alkaloid in the plant activates them in different ways. And this is what those different extract profiles that we offer, lift, bliss and rest are really doing is there, you know, like rest is more activating GABA. And so it's going to be a much more relaxing feeling than Lyft, which is much higher in mesembrine and it's going to be much more euphoric and hit more of those serotonin and dopamine receptors.

It's such a trip. I know I was at the psychedelic playhouse event. I was sitting with my friend Adam Mizo and he had just gotten some and he's like, I've never tried it before. And I watched him take it and like, it was so awesome to see because I saw him like, I literally saw him sort of go to this place of like kindness. And that's not the right word for it. It was like, it was like this incredible lift and like you could just see, I could just see,

like I could see him slowly turn on. And he was like just having such a great time, you know? And I was like, whoa, it was so cool to get to see it. And the onset was probably like maybe 20 minutes, 30 minutes. But he was just raving. He's like, George, this is amazing. He goes, I feel so much more like a lot. I feel so much more like sociable and, you know, and it was just really cool to get to see that

aspect of it and then see the onset sides of it. What is it traditionally used for in South Africa? It was a pretty central part of the culture for the San and the Koi, which are two distinct cultural groups in South Africa. The Saan in particular, they would, they're a hunter-gatherer, culture that's actually still intact today, which is pretty remarkable. And they would, they would ferment the kana and then braid it and then they would chew on it. And so we're

essentially microdosing it during these like multi-day hunting trips where they're tracking game for days in the desert of South Africa. So you can imagine like the physical pain, like the hunger that they're dealing with and and Kana not only helps satiate hunger and and it's like it doesn't take pain away but it makes it more tolerable and then it also enhances your senses and so they would they would use it that way it would be used socially just like hanging out with the tribe And then, I mean, just to show like how safe they viewed it, if a baby was teething or colicky, they would take fermented Kana and put it in breast milk and then like dip their finger into the breast milk and put it in the baby's mouth to help them with the pain. and then they would also use it like ceremonially. So the son were masters of entering trans states.

Like another way of saying like altered states of consciousness. And they would do this in a lot of different ways, primarily through dancing and fasting. But when they were first learning to cross that threshold, Kana would be a powerful ally in aid in that process. Yeah. It's so interesting to me to think that the antidote to a pill might be a plant. And like how much we've just forgotten, how much in the environment is around us that can help nurture us into a more stable life of living. I really feel like we've just become so

caught up in like urgency and algorithms and rushing and so many of many of these different plant medicines really bring you back to this state of wholeness. It sounds like that's what kind of Kana does for people and for those that take it. What you do you see this whole, like on a big picture, Ryan. Do you see Kana being part of maybe the antidote to the urgency or the antidote to the algorithms and there's just short attention span economy? Um, I think it can be it can play a role in that I think like I'm I'm as addicted to social media as as anyone else like

right should go do Ibegain it's a good job get off my social media addiction I feel like I'd probably just end up back doing it because it's so part of our culture at this point and I think that I think ultimately like what's at the root of so much suffering. Like I would be as as bold as to say like maybe 99% is like a lack of connection. Yeah. And that is where I think psychedelics and plant medicines can really help us. Is in, you know, in their own ways, like breaking down the default mode network, like our just rigid ways of thinking.

softening the ego, this is why I like empathogens so much, like softening the ego and just opening us up emotionally. Like that's really what we need to just find each other. And that, I think, is our only hope. I don't, yeah, I truly don't think that there's like, we can't replace a pill with taking a plant and still go about doing everything the same. like we really do need to I guess find yeah find each other and and be with each other and be present with each other and do our best to create community and in the world that we have yeah that's one thing I really love about the psychedelic space is the community I feel there's so much connection there and I think it's because everybody has had an experience of being broken and they have found something, primarily in this space, like some sort of psychedelic that allowed them to not only

reconnect with themselves, but to find other people in that community. What, like, if you had to explain the Kana community, like, how would you describe it? As a, as a seedling at this point. It's a good answer. It's, um, you know, it's really interesting because so many people do not know about it. Like, it's very rare that I meet someone and they, they know about Kana or, maybe they've heard about it, but then they're like, oh, I was thinking of Kava. Like, yeah, so it's like, it's finding its place.

It's really cool. Like, you know, it's funny because you're watching a lot of people come into it, like, from the business perspective. Yeah. And just like anyone, you know, they come in and they think they're going to take over everything. And it's like, really what I've found is like these businesses come in and then they, and then like they find their people.

and they like they're delivering something of of of value to their people and it's it's it's that's that's cool to see um and there are yeah it's it's it's like there are people that instantly get it and that's really cool like they see like oh this is the thing i've been looking for to take socially or to take in my day to like because it's like it's not like uh like uh like a like a like a what's so popular in it? Like, it's not like alcohol or, or,

like, ketamine is becoming so popular that's, like, very, um, like disassociating. Kana's very associating.

And very, very, connecting. And, uh, and it's like just enough to feel better. And like, I,

like, I, like, I hope people are really left with that. Like, it's, it's, it's not this crazy psychedelic thing.

It's like, it's like just enough to really feel good and better. Um, And yeah, so I don't know. I mean, there's so much application for this in the, like, let's say, therapeutic route. Yeah. And I've been very hesitant to go down that route just with the way the FDA treats things here in the union of the pharmaceutical industry with FDA. But there's so much potential there.

there's so much potential. It's like super important. And then there's this whole what I call social use route, which is people that are using it as, you know, an alternative to other things socially. Those are the two main pathways that I see it growing. Yeah, I can totally see both those avenues. is if we cast a whiter net, how do you see, like you, you have an unusual and interesting perspective in that you can see into the psychedelic community and also into sort of like the, the community of different plants and stuff like that. How do you, how do you see the whole psychedelic renaissance kind of shaken out? Is it, or are we going to continue to grow or do you think that there's some growing pains or does this thing go back underground or do you have any thoughts on that?

I mean, I think a lot of us are wondering about this. I, you know, I really like, and just shout out to Jacob and District 216 who connected us. Because, like, you know, just echoing back on the last question, like, I think they're an example of, like, what's really beautiful of, like, community finding, like, people finding each other and building community around this. and like him in particular and his crew in particular it's like so apparent that it's fueled by an authentic like genuine love for this subject and and like not like you know there I think they're like and there's not so money driven like or so sort of or so profit driven I should say like obviously like we all need to make money to live but it's not so profit driven and I think that is what's going to ultimately be successful and ultimately the most meaningful, too, for the people that are involved. But, you know, obviously these companies are going to do everything that they can to create mini monopolies or monopolies. and I don't know I

it's it's easy to get pessimistic I don't want to get too pessimistic because if it goes like the cannabis route then it's like a race to the bottom and we've all seen what's happened to cannabis like cannabis had this really beautiful moment where it was just like there's all these like cottage industries

and all of a sudden people had money to like go and buy amazing things and support artwork You know, it was like, it was really amazing. And, yeah, so, I mean, I would love to see that moment in this space. But, yeah, I don't know. I, again, my, like, my hope is in communities, like, District 216, where there are not, like, there's not. like there's not one authority that controls everything there's not one leader that tells everyone

how it goes like there's a there's a sharing of of ideas and there's a place for everyone and and that we're all like learning from and supporting each other and keeping each other accountable and safe is is really important as well and I love that like that event Like 216, and that's psychedelic playhouse, but I'll go back to that event. It was almost like unlike anything I've seen, Ryan. Like there's like a there's all these media rooms and you could literally be in a room listening to MIT journalists, younger guys and elders on a panel interacting with the audience. And then right down the way you can go and have a conversation with someone that has like a

counter product or has someone that's filming a documentary. Like it was such a different type of event than I've ever been to before. The caliber of people that were there, not only because they were doing what they were passionate about, but because they were so engaged in helping everybody around them. Like, I really see that is the future of psychedelics. And regardless of whatever happens with the pharmaceutical model or the sort of supply chain model, I really think that that community aspect of it is where it is. It's like everybody's going there and they get enriched and they come back and give back to their community. I get goosebumps when I think about it. I see that community building, that sort of edutainment, where you can get some education from some of the top professors or some of the top growers. It was such a mecca of going there and learning and having a good time. That model needs to be exported because it could go to different cities. It could travel.

It can almost be like a fish show. You know what I mean? Like you go there, you have the experience. You get to have a good time. You get to learn. Like that's where it's at, man. It's funny, I don't know how well you know Jacob, but he's like a huge fish fan. So it's funny that you say, I'm sure it's been a big influence.

I think it's similar though. I mean, I tend to believe that we're kind of in the late 50s, and I feel like we're on the cusp of this explosion of creativity, and you don't have to look too far. If you just go on X and look at the art community, or if you just, people listening to this conversation right now and are finding out about Connell, like, well, what is this? You know, it's like I really feel like we are on the cusp of an explosion of creativity and new modalities. And when I factor in the statistics about younger people drinking less and exploring these new things, it gives me so much hope, man. What are your thoughts, man? You think

we might be on the cusp of an explosion of creativity here? Absolutely. I mean, that might be my favorite aspect of psychedelics is like not approaching from like I'm broken or I'm damaged or I'm traumatized and I need healing and like this is something that like explodes my my creative potential and there's so much healing that just naturally comes out of that and and there's like yeah there's just so much room to create create new things in the space and again I think that's why uh organizations like District 216 or if District 216 expands, like it's going to be really important for people to have communities like that to land in as they start to encounter the kinds of experiences

that come from these substances. Yeah. You know, one of the hot topics that I get to talk to people about and that I'm pretty passionate about is sort of psychedelics and like end of life. I know 216's got an event coming up where they're having psychedelics and end of life, but let me just put this into a two-part question for you. What are your thoughts on psychedelics of end of life? And can kind of be a part of that? That's an interesting question.

I think even the data shows that it's been super helpful. And, you know, I, like, my, my father was in a near fatal car accident a couple years ago. And, like, just being close to death is such a psychedelic experience in itself without having to take anything. And I think the value of, and this is where I think, I think, And theogens really can be quite powerful because you do start to get this appreciation of the mystery of life and death. And it's like, I don't know if anyone knows. Like I don't like, I push anyone, like no one really knows, you know, but it starts to just create this like, I don't know, I think you just, you kind of get used to the threshold of that unknown.

And it can make it more of like this, like a new chapter to like look forward to. Like it's not an ending. It's like another, another beginning. With Kana, I have more. I don't have any even anecdotal testimonials to, so I would just be like, you know, speculating. I've just never heard of anyone using that way, but I bet like just when it comes to like anxiety around it, it can, it could help a lot. Yeah, just to facilitate those conversations, because those are, those are hard conversations to

navigate. And if you have something that sort of opens up your heart a little bit and allows you to ask the uncomfortable questions. I think that's a giant catalyst for change and forgiveness and respect. Like, I'm going to have to do some more research on there. I want to bring in. We've got some questions stacking up in the chat over here, Ryan. So just fair warning, I got the greatest audience in the world. So who are we going to go with first? Thank you to everybody for being patient. This one comes from Lena, from Portland.

She says, if Kana were a musical instrument, what would it be? That's such a good question. No one's ever asked you that question before. Something like, what has higher notes than like a pan drum? But like something like percussion like that's like really sweet and melodical, but a little bit higher notes than like a pan drum. I don't know what they call those things, but that's what's coming to mind for me. that's such a good question okay Mateo coming from Santa Fe thank you

Mateo I thank you Lena for being here Mateo says do you think plants dream and if so do we just become characters in their dreams when we ingest them fuck that's a good these are such good questions I got the best audience in the world man literally as you were reading I was like or are the plants dreaming us right now yeah I think I like just to get into my personal philosophy I think I We're all dreaming this experience together. The plants and us. And like we, yeah, we need each other.

We need each other for sure. Yeah, I dig that spin, Mateo. Like, maybe the plants are dreaming us. You know, it's interesting to think. Like, if you ever go on like a long walk in nature and you just sit down by a tree or like by a waterfall and you're like, man, am I seeing this or are they seeing me? And there's all this new information about mushrooms talking and like anybody who's ever done like a pretty decent dose of psychedelics has probably talked to a plant, you know?

And you get the real feedback coming. It's fascinating to think about who else. Yeah. Oh, just to add a little bit more. Just to, I've had some very powerful experiences in old growth forests taking psychoactive compounds. and like the synchronicities that I've experienced were like animals arrived in places where like I needed like emotional support.

Like it truly feels like it felt to me like it was all one entity that was organizing this and like the forest was that entity. Yeah, I love that man. I you really feel like you're part of the whole in those situations. And you know there's a, there's a, interesting article that came out from Ollie. Ollie, if you're listening, I love you. Ollie Jen Bush, he's out of the UK, but he wrote this article recently that talked about

the gut biome and the, all the just the thousands of cells and the different sorts of entities and things we have in our body and how they communicate with each other. And maybe that's, it's the internal cells or the internal, you know, organisms in our body that are communicating to the plants outside of us. I was like, whoa, I never thought about it from that aspect because clearly there's an exchange of information happening inside your body. So why wouldn't that same molecules or those same sort of organisms in your body

be able to communicate with the life outside of your body? And like that might be what sort of the mystical feeling is. Like when you see the waterfall, when you see the animal coming, when you see the plants. But it just, man, it makes me so excited to think about this kind of stuff. Yeah, we might all just be the puppets of the bacteria. bacteria. Yeah. Well, I think it's, I think Terrence McKinney used to save it. Like, you know, plants have adapted this way, like the seeds will get onto the fur of animals and then the animals will transport

that seed to an environment where it can, where it can grow. So if you just, you know, you know, put that out a little bit further, maybe we are sort of the, the organisms that spread the seeds for the molecules or for the plant life. It's just so much beautiful. It's so beautiful to think about yourself as part of this whole. Like you are an incredible part of this entire ecosystem. And we get so caught up in like loneliness or we get so caught up in, you know, being, being just alone at times.

But if I have to do is go outside. Just go outside and sit down in the garden or plant something and you realize. Like you are part of this ecosystem. You're not only part of it. Like you're an important part of it. You can play a bigger part if you want to. So sorry about that, Matteo. I just kind of went off on a tangent there, but Aisha from Toronto, she says,

if the first human to ever use Kana could see how we use it now, do you think they'd smile or shake their head? Yeah, that's a good question. I think that if they could see it helping us, they would approve of that. but I think in general anyone looking at our just our the way we live you know

most of us are like this most of the day black mirrors what happened like you know yeah yeah I think so too I feel like

it's so addictive it's so easy to get caught up in in all of the monotony or the black mirrors in front of us but maybe that's Maybe that's the plants talking to us. Like if you take Kana or if you take cannabis or you take mushrooms, like that on some level,

it inspires you to be closer to nature. It's like it's almost like a language, I think, on some level. Yeah. Jonah, Jonah coming from Oakland right down the way from me. Jonah, thank you for being here. He says, what's one question you wish people would stop asking you about Kana and one question you wish they'd start asking? Man, the questions are so good.

I actually have never thought about this. I truly cannot. Like, I'm truly not annoyed by my, like, it's literally my job. And I get excited to talk to me about Kana. I guess a question that I wish people would ask more of is, like, how can I take it? like more like I wish I got more of like the the mental health stuff like you know so much of what we offer is like more for social use and and there is this whole realm of like if you take it below where you don't feel it but you take it daily like it can be a huge support um and yeah not not

a lot of people ask me about that well let's stay there for a minute then like what other aspects of mental health like we've talked a little bit about clarity we've talked a little bit about anxiety and depression, but what are some other aspects of mental health that don't get caught, don't get talked about enough when it comes to Kana? Well, you know, I think, so if you look at the the pharmacology of Kana, there's some pretty complex things going on. One is it's a bioamine releasing agent with light SSRI activity. And so what that means is like, you know, unlike a synthetic SSRI that is basically just blocking the re-uptake of this one neurotransmitter. So there's just more of it.

That seems to just come with so much side effects. And that's not to say, like, antidepressants have helped a lot of people. And if you're on antidepressants and they're helping you, you should not come off your antidepressants. That's like, I think that's really important. But there are some pretty severe side effects that people go through. And one of them that's so sad is like it seems to shut people off from a whole, like, part of their emotional body and emotional, like, emotional senses. And the way Kana's chemistry works is it's not just, it only has light SSRI activity. which seems to play a big role in potentially why you don't experience these side effects.

But as this releasing agent, it's releasing not only more serotonin, but more dopamine and noroprene naturally. And then it's also a, I just saw this message from George here. It's also a PDE4 inhibitor. and PD4 inhibitor like a very like just simple way of explaining it is it's allowing those

neurotransmitters to not get metabolized up so they're just able to do their job better once they're absorbed by the post-synaptic nerve and there's something about that the combination of those three things that makes Kana so effective

for mental health and you, you know, you know if you if you look at pd4 inhibitors you can see that they are like the pharmaceutical versions are used very effectively for bipolar schizophrenia but you don't hear about a lot of people on them because they almost all come with intense emetic side effects where you like you just vomit if you take them so it's it's really unfortunate but kana has this activity without those side effects I have to be like really careful when I say this like I'm not making like a medical claim. I'm saying there's

tremendous potential for Kana to support with these issues and obviously if you have any of these issues you should be involving your prescribing doctor with with any of these decisions. But the research is is there and it's it's very compelling. Nice. So the incredible George Monty on screen right now is my dad. My dad has had, he's an incredible human being. I love him to death. Veteran and he has run the gambit of finding solutions to deal with different ways of moving through life, man. So, I'm super grateful to get to talk to you and my dad and answer these awesome questions. You know, it's so cool, man. Dad, I love you, man. Thank you for being here. And we'll be going to talk more about this, dad, after this. And yeah, it's interesting to think about these particular aspects of, like,

bipolar and we got I also want to bring up Deanna Fullman here who that communication from internal to external everyone should go down and check out click on Deanna's link she's doing some incredible work out there Deanna thank you for being here she also says that bacteria puppets you know how we do it Deanna what if we are bacteria puppets so super stoked on everybody being here let me also jump back into the chat over here into the discord um this one is coming to us from Trevor New York City what's up brother you staying cool over there, he says, do you think Kana heals us or does it simply remove the static so we can remember who we were all along? Yeah, I think that's the latter is the case with all of these,

you know, plant medicines or psychedelics. It's like, you know, the other, the other aspect, like, not even getting into the science of, of like, why Kana helps with mental health, just like the energetic of it is it is helping like connect it's like it's a connecting compound like it brings you more into your heart you feel more connected to yourself maybe there are like aspects of yourself that you've abandoned or not acknowledged and and there seems to be something about the like experience kind of produces even on a microdosing level that like reconnects and and that I think is what's at the core of why it's so like to me that's more compelling than like the chemistry of it is is um you know it's like something that you're microdosing that's reconnecting you to your heart i love that aspect

for me it brings up a question of you know the longer you do something the more you understand the effects of it it's like you're building the relationship with with that plan have you noticed that when you take it like obviously when you take something for the first time or maybe even the first month, like you get these effects. But then like in the second month, the longer the relationship, the more you truly begin to understand what's happening in your reactions, in your attitudes. Have you noticed that with longer term use? Yeah, and for sure. And what's really interesting about Kana, it seems that people who use it more become more sensitive to it. And I don't know what the science of that is.

is if like, you know, like, when you take cannabis, like, you start to create more endocannabinoid receptors. I don't know if you're building more receptor sites, but across the board, I've seen people that use kind of regularly, like, it takes less and less to really activate them. And so for me, for sure, like, it does not take a lot to really, really feel it. And it's, yeah, I mean, it's like, it's become the center of my life. So my relationship with it is like, it's just, I've created a very, very close relationship with this plant. Yeah, let me bring back on Clint Kyle's to everybody.

If you haven't heard the Psychedelic Christian podcast, go check it out. Clint Kyle's is an amazing orator. He's got a presence about him. check out Clint Kyle's podcast. Clint, thanks for being here. You're an amazing human being. And he says, what's up to my dad? Here we go. We got Joe, my dad chiming back in over here. He says, very good conversation, guys. Yes, they let the receptors fire properly. When you go off the meds, it takes longer to and more meds to level back out, man. Good job, guys. Thanks, dad. I love it. It's interesting to think about that. When you, when you come off the meds, a lot of different meds, it takes longer to

get back to baseline. So I think that on some level, these are you, natural adaptogens or these now natural compounds are a much better way to to you know not flood your receptors and just burn them out and whatnot so it's it's so interesting and I'm so stoked to be here and get to be talking to you and in learning about these different compounds that maybe I think it be very beneficial for a lot of people I just I'll say it there ania who on you coming from Berlin she says if Conno was outlawed tomorrow what would you hide the plant itself or the knowledge that comes from working with it um I uh yeah I I mean I hope it does it that's such an interesting question

I don't like I feel like I have to sit with that didn't take your time man yeah thank you ania I have there's a way that I want to answer that but like being on a recorded podcast I feel like I should not say this. Be mindful. Be mindful. Like I guess what I would say is like I may not hide any of it. Even if it was outlaw. Yeah.

You know, it's interesting because sometimes we lose, we lose knowledge like that. When you look at prohibition or you look at the outlong of, or even scheduling some of these things to schedule one. You know, look at, look at cannabis for the love of God. God, like, cannabis is schedule one. That means there's no medicinal use. Like, how much have we lost because we're unable to study this in a way that's in front of everybody? I don't, well, I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind at this point that the, you know,

the way these substances are scheduled is, has been compromised by financial interests. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. It's, I don't know, my personal belief is on some level, like, it gets in the way of profits. Like, we've already spoken a little bit about how drinking is way down. And that cuts into a multi-billion dollar, if not a trillion dollar industry. Like, there's a lot of people whose bread and butter comes from selling alcohol.

Of course, they don't want something to compete with them. And that's the nature of business is like, no competition. We want to run this thing. So, and I'm an anti-authoritarian guy, so. There's so many financial interests. Like there's, you know, prisons have become a for-profit industry. And the prison lobby is very loud in keeping cannabis scheduled. Yeah.

I don't like, at the event we were at, while there was alcohol there, the majority of people weren't on alcohol. And there were no fights. There was no sort of obnox, like really. obnoxious behavior like there was community there and i can't help but think that's because of the foundation on which that community was running you know when you go out to a bar that that foundation is run on run on alcohol you know and what happens when we we run on a different platform like i think there's a lot of good that can come out of it and so yeah i i'm so bullish on the future of

plant medicines and community and and connection and so shout out to everybody out there. Who else? We go, oh, my boy, Solomon coming from Maui, man, I'm going to be in Hawaii in a week or two. I can't wait to see everybody out there. Solomon says, when you take Kana, is it more like turning up the volume on reality or finally hearing the quiet parts? That's a good question. For me, I would say more like turning up the quiet parts. but there is an aspect of like I wouldn't say

turning up the volume on all of reality and experience but definitely like when it comes to connection and that like that feeling of joy when you're connecting it definitely amplifies that yeah I'm going to think about that question for a minute

like if you turning up the volume on reality that's such a Solomon thank you that's a brilliant question like what does it mean to turn up the volume on reality I guess I mean that that's almost how I would describe like microdosing LSD

okay it's like this in like it just from at least my experience like it just enhances everything and and like I mean even microdosing mushrooms too it's like there's just so much more information that's coming in it's like access to so much more information

and that is not what I would say happens with Kana. It's like you're definitely like more centered and present with it. Yeah, you mentioned and I see it when I go to the site, you use the word subtle a lot. Yeah. Maybe you can define like the quiet parts. And what do you mean by subtle? There's something really cool where it's like people will take Kana,

especially if they're in a social environment, like the event at the playhouse event, where it is loud. There's hundreds of people in there. They're talking. It's loud. So there's a lot of stimulation. And so some people will be like,

I don't really feel anything. And then if you just draw their attention to like, but wait, wait a second. Let's just stop and like draw some awareness to how you're actually feeling. You're like, actually, yeah, I feel like much lighter. like I actually feel really pleasant and like happier.

And it's like, so that's what I mean by subtle is like it can be easy to miss, especially by people that don't have like a strong like self-awareness or if you're just in a really stimulating environment. So yeah, that's what I mean by subtle. Like it's like you never lose control. Like it's very much a dialogue. Like it's not going to take you somewhere.

You don't want to go. So, like, yeah, it's subtle, it's gentle and functional, I think, is also a good, a good word for it. Yeah, I like that term for it. Priya, Priya is coming over here, Praya, she says, if you could sit in a circle with every plant teacher on earth, ayahuasca, psilocybin, cannabis, tobacco, Kana, what would Kana say to the others? Settle down, bro. Why go so hard? Just relax. Yeah.

I love it. I love it. Raj, coming in from Vancouver, he says, what's the most beautiful misunderstanding you've ever had with Connor? Sorry,

I had a, I have my Do Not Disturb on and it just froze my computer. What's the most beautiful what? What's the most beautiful misunderstanding you've ever had with Connor? Beautiful misunderstanding. Is that, can I get a little more context on the question?

Is that like me and the plant and like my my own understanding of it or like with another person using it or do you want me to just go off? He says with you and the plant. Again, good questions. I think I think, I think, The like the biggest misunderstanding I've ever had with it was like I because I work so many like trade shows like I'm introducing kind of just so many people and so much of it is like social use as like an alternative to alcohol and and so it just there's just not a lot of awareness there that this isn't a real plant medicine like when you when you take it like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like. like, oh, okay, like there is an intelligence to this. And, and it's easy for me to forget that.

And, and like, and so there have just been times where it's like, I don't know, like, I'm, I'm, like, testing a different product or an extract. I've taken way too much. And, and it's just, like, it kind of, like, has called me out of, like, hey, you need to look at what you're doing here. like it's it's really like slowed slowed me down and brought and I don't you know I don't I hold it as like the intelligence of the plant who knows maybe it's activating a part of my unconscious but like I just for me with my relationship it's like the intelligence of the plant just kind of checking me a little bit like bringing me back to earth or helping ground me especially when it comes to like relationships with other people like that that's where i've found kana so helpful and is like

being empathic uh and compassionate in in in my relationships especially the more challenging ones yeah that's an awesome insight man thanks for sharing that it's interesting to think about that aspect of it who else do we got coming in over here this one is coming to us from neil and he says what happens when indigenous wisdom and capitalist enterprise meet at the same table? Indigenous wisdom, I think we're witnessing that, like, in real time. You know, I feel like I've done, like I'm really trying to do the best I can with Kana. and it's like, and I do, I do actually think it is different for different plants. You know, Kana, especially because it's so light and functional and because it has so much efficacy for mental health and like because things like alcohol are so toxic, like there's, it's just, it's like kind of important to get it out there.

and I've really tried to do the best I could to create a company that behaves responsibly and ethically while trying to make Kana available to as many people as possible. The, you know, and the topic of just how we work with these communities and just indigenous communities in general is so complex and so complicated. it's like it's so complicated it would be its own podcast because you can't just like get you can't just give money to people because it it's like the fastest way to destroy the social fabric of the community is if you just start giving them money or if you give some people like who do you give the money too so now they have money and the other people don't like it's and then there's all

these different communities so it's like so complicated um so i like we have really tried to to do the best we can. Kana is still so small. Like we're still so small from where this could potentially go and that this is going to be something that we are constantly navigating. Where like there are other plants. And also I think what makes Kana unique is like the colonization by the Dutch and the British

were so effective at decimating the culture of these communities. Like there's very few that even like use Kana anymore, let alone remember. how it was used where it's like, you know, ayahuasca is like one of these ones where like maybe it, like the cultures are still intact. A lot of them are still intact. A lot of have been decimated, which is really sad,

but a lot still are intact. And like that experience is so profound. Like it probably like I personally don't think it should go into some like corporate business model. Yeah. It speaks to me. The world, the word rewilding comes to mind. And like you sometimes you'll see it like in a national geographic or a documentary or maybe even your own community where an old piece of land just gets overrun. Like maybe there was a barn there and it fell down. All of a sudden all these trees are growing through it. But I think the same thing is happening in like the communities we live in. Like the structures have kind of failed. And now we're kind of seeing the growth come back. Like the new green shoots and like the rewarks. And like the rewark. wilding of the human experience is kind of coming back. And with it comes back, these plants and these experiences and these new communities. And when I look at it from that angle, like it, it brings me joy.

It makes me feel like, oh, yeah. So there was some destruction and things have collapsed. But look at this new growth that's coming in. Look at all this new birth. Look at all these new butterflies sort of coming back to the community. And, oh, we got here we go, my friend Adam Mizo. Adam Mizo says, hi, Ryan, it's great to see you again. It was a pleasure meeting you in Denver.

Thanks for the Kana intro. It's a cool apothecary edition. And this is the story I was telling you about earlier. Like me and Adam were sitting in the lounge with Jennifer Love and some guy from MIT playing the piano, which was a whole amazing another part of it. But that's what he got the Kana. And he's like, I'm going to try this right now. But I totally saw Adam take it. It was like, just come alive, man.

He's like, this is amazing. shout out to Adam yeah Adam Adam says I tried the Kana snuff and loved the plur burst

then I turned around and met Reggie Watts and told him his song his song fuck shit stack is legendary like that's the power of Kana next thing you know you're talking to Reggie Watts

amazing Adam so stoked you're here brother everyone go check out Adam Mizo's substack he writes about some incredible stuff out there. Good friend of mine. Thank you, Adam, for being here. So, well, we, we have, um, we have come to the part of the show, Ryan, where we like to call the lightning round. It's a fan favorite and it's a set of questions that I ask you and you fire

off an answer. Are you ready for this? Yeah. Okay. Here we go. So this is the lightning round, ladies and gentlemen, prepare to get stoked. Who would you rather have, be a guy, for your trip. Charles Manson or Jesus? Jesus. Would you rather share a joint with Hunter Thompson or brew ayahuasco with Maria Sabina? Hunter Thompson. No offense. But, yeah.

Would you rather have dinner with Alan Watts on acid or Terrence McKenna on mushrooms? Fuck, that is a hard decision. That, I'm going to just go with Alan Watts. because he was just my entry point into so much like spiritual philosophical thinking. Would you rather be stuck in a commune with Timothy Leary or a monastery with Rondas? Um, um, Timothy Leary, yeah. Would you rather debate psychedelics with Ted Kaczynski or AI with Elon Musk on MDMA? Would you rather become the official trip sitter for Salvador Dali or Jimmy Hendricks?

Oh, man. I love Jimmy Hendricks so much, but to be back, Salvador Dahl. Yeah, Salvador Dali. Yeah. Would you rather ask one question to the Oracle at Delphi or to an alien hive mind on psilocybin? Alien hive mind. Yeah. Would you rather do 5MEOD&T in a sensory deprivation tank or in the middle of Burning Man?

That's a good question, because Burning Man's coming up. But I would go with a sensory deprivation tank. Would you rather? Number 10, ladies and gentlemen, live inside a Terrence McKinna lecture forever or inside a Grateful Dead show forever? I guess a Grateful Dead show forever. Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, Ryan Latrell, Kana Extract, let me throw it back to you, Ryan. Like where can people find you?

What do you have coming up and what kind of promo code? When they use promo code, True Life, what can they expect? 10% off anytime they order with True Life. The website is right here. I don't know if people are just listening, but the website is kana extract.com. You can order there. You can email us at hello at kanaexract.com if you have any questions or reach out on

Instagram, which is just at kana extract. Yeah. And just, yeah, for sure, reach out if there's any questions. What about you got any events coming up? You're going to be at some trade shows or people around the country looking to... I mean, I'll be at Burning Man. with like a bunch of con of vapes. If you, if anyone's listening,

you want to come by, it's at Camp Elementum, 815 and B. Come by, happy to give you a con of ape. And then I guess the next event is the one that you mentioned at District 216. Do you have the date for that? I think it's September, 27th, but I'll put it in the show notes.

Yeah, I'll be in South Africa at that time, but we'll have a booth there if people are local to Santa Barbara and want to come try Kana. Ladies and gentlemen, go to the Kana website, reach out to Ryan, and for everybody that participated today, I'm so grateful to have such a cool audience. Thank you, everybody, for being here. Really looking forward to it. Use that promo code. Check out Kana and reach out to Ryan.

Hang on briefly afterwards, but to everybody else within the sound of my voice, I hope you have a beautiful day. That's all we got, Aloha. Truly a pleasure. Thanks for all the questions. Yes. The wrong button there.