TrueLife - Sabba Nazhand & Jack Gorsline - Psychedelic Science Exodous

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

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Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Hears through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Seraphini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Badge off. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Psychedelic 2025 closing, but you know I can't finish off without grabbing a few people before the end of the show here. here. I got with me Saba Nazhan, Jack Gorselin.

Gentlemen, it's closing. Closing. What do you guys think? Saba, let me start with you. There was so many incredible people here. Psychedelics 2025, way different than 2023. Tell us some of the highlights that you saw coming into this convention. Yeah, I think for me, like being here in 23 was on such a high with all the talk about MDMA getting legalized or approved by the FDA. Right.

Obviously, it didn't happen. So there was like this great cloud coming into this year's. out of conference. But I think it bounced back. That big news with Iboga and Texas and Austin. It was just amazing. And a lot of the scientific cells, a bunch of panels around like that. And I thought for me was fantastic. Yeah, just great crowds. Great crowds. Great people. Super overwhelming. But overall, I think that was for me the biggest highlight was that news out of Texas. Yeah. You know what else is highlighting is this journalist over here, Jack Gorslin, breaking probably the bombshell story of psychedelic science 2025. He had to duck a few

punches, I'm sure. But Jack, what's up, man? Thanks for being here. Want to give us a little rundown on the bomb show that you dropped? Well, first of all, George, thank you for having me, as always. Pleasure. It's a really great to connect in person for the first time. And thank you for being a first ever gathering of the psyched writers killed on Wednesday night. For a really great time, we're excited to roll out some more info about that soon. My latest piece broke on the elusive news in the Boston Institute for Non-Proper Journalism on Wednesday morning, first day of psych science. As those who made me familiar with my work now I got my start covering the question four campaign in

Massachusetts ballot initiative with this one last year and covered a lot of the missteps and misconduct affiliated with that campaign along the way this latest bombshell we were able to uncover you know over 700,000 dollars of alleged campaign finance violations committed by new or allegedly committed by new approach and that unfortunately for a great organization world parts projects seems to have woven them into their mess My hope is that we can continue to uncover the truth of what really went down about questions before in the weeks ahead. I encourage folks to stay tuned for part two. Yeah, everybody tuned in to Jack Gorsland, incredible writer.

Definitely. Salba, let me bring it back to you. You have a company called Safar, which unbelievable integration. I think you guys are leading the charge in the idea of integration around psychedelics. You have some really, first I've got an amazing team. Thank you. You're an amazing human. Tell us a little bit about Safar and what you have planned for the future.

and when I can start using this app. Yeah, totally. So, yeah, I think you kind of hit it. It's AI integration, but for us, it's bigger than that. It's about human flourishing. It's about using outcomes-based models to help people not only heal, but become better versions of themselves. Right.

And that's guided by AI. It's guided by ancient wisdom. And we have a team of amazing people that are helping us with that. And hopefully in the next six months, we'll have our MVP out ready to go. Yeah, we have 20 active users in VETA right now, an amazing team of partnerships with a few. organizations that are bringing practitioners, coaches, and so forth on board as well.

And lastly, something that I'm super proud of is we are in the process of assembling a council of wisdom keepers. And these are folks from indigenous communities, from ancient practices, shamanic practices that are literally helping us build this business in the way of integrity and always remembering, you know, where these medicines come from and how these models are built. I love it, man. I'm so excited for the future of psychedelics, especially finding ways to use AI into integration. Jack, you've been over here, too. What do you think, when you look at AI and psychedelics,

what comes to your mind? I thought I need to learn a lot more. Sure, it's definitely something I'm intrigued by, and I'm very curious to learn more about. I think that utilization of AI is can be a slippery slope. I'm much more confident with guys like Saba in charge and some of the folks at some of the larger corporations you might know about,

some of them have landed some DOD contracts lately. That's dead. I know the Lusian News team utilizes a number of AI tools to really keep our journalism sharp. I think that there is a middle ground and I am very curious to see how that unfolds in the years ahead. As an ADHDer, she struggles to organize my thoughts in a coherent way in the beginnings of the story process sometimes.

AI has been really beneficial for my reporting process, especially with the steep learning curve I've had. I just had my first pilot last than two years ago. so there's been a lot to learn on the fly. But I think we're going to continue to find out and push the boundaries. But again, I think with the right leaders in place how those tools immigrate these, you know, communities like Zabo,

I think that, you know, we could be in better hands than some of those who are especially afraid might feel. I love it. I love it. You know, being here in Denver where things are decriminalized, and I'm coming from California, so things are a lot different. I went out on a Tuesday night. We all were at this psychedelic playhouse. And you know what?

I've seen a bar full of incredible people happening really cool discussions, and most of them seem to be on psychedelics of some sort. Do you think that this could be a trend? Instead of people going out and really cut and loose with alcohol, what do you think, Sabah, about a future where maybe people go out and have a little bit more

of an enlightening discussion with psychedelics? Yeah, it's already happening. I think you're seeing it a lot in like the underground communities, private events where there is no alcohol. There are elixers with, you know, and pathogens. psychoactive, you know, tinctures, et cetera.

And what I believe that is a future. I think alcohol is just everyone knows how detrimental it is. And what psychedelics do is bring people together. You open up, you're in a space where you can hold space for each other and have great, amazing conversations. And it is a future, not just in Denver. I mean, I see it all the time. I'm in D.C. and I won't say where or who,

but there are places where you can, you know, go in a private setting and have those types of conversations in that space. Yeah. You know what? The company's so far, I think a lot of people may not know the definition of that. Would you be so kind of to maybe tell them what that definition? I think you'll get a better understanding of what the... So far it translates to journey in Persian.

So I'm a Iranian and my heart goes out, I have to say, to the people of Iran and everything that's happening to happening to them right now. But yeah, they're on a journey now. And I've been in a life's journey from birth to everything that has happened to me. And we fled the war. So it was only acceptable for me to name the company Safari, which again, means journey. And then people who are on the journey to life to healing and flourishing them to have that opportunity. Yeah.

It's amazing. It's unprecedented times right now with everything that are happening. What do you think? You know, I spoke to some really cool people that were coming out of this conference. And I think you're going to see a lot of people leave this conference and take some really valuable information back to their communities. What is something that you're going to take back to your community? Jeff, let me start with you. The community should be holding each other accountable,

also learning from each other actively. I was able to talk to really great activists across a number of states. Some really exciting news coming in of Arizona in the days ahead. I think you'll learn more about abusive news from our very own, Allie McGee. I really think that coordination and cooperation and communication, both between psychedelic advocacy groups and the grassroots, space but also psychedelic media organizations and cannabis media organizations and independent media organizations i think is going to be the next level of the psychedelic advocacy and really you know

after all the psychedelic education which is really what i think we need to be digging into right is the american populace in the world the global population becomes man more intrigued by any number of areas of psychedelic science culture medicine etc etc etc so but you have a unique through which you're seeing the psychedelic space. As an entrepreneur, as someone who has a beautiful relationship with psychedelics and a friend to so many people here. What are some of the things you're going to be taken back to your community? Yeah, there are two things that come to mind. Number one, simply put, is like meeting people where they are.

You know, there's this rhetoric that happens a lot in this space where people are like, yeah, you know, you have to go to the jungles of Peru and sit with ayahuasca to actually heal. And of course, there's something beautiful to that. but many people don't have that luxury or don't have the access or the resources to get to that space, especially underrepresented communities. And so for me, it's going back and be like, no, you don't have to go to Peru. There are beautiful retreats and churches like in D.C. and other places that, yeah, Oakland, exactly, that are hosting these beautiful events at a very reasonable, you know, price point and space for everyone to have access to.

So I think that's number one for me is, like, meet people where they are, please. And then number two, you know, there's so much talk about healing and depression and PTSD, which obviously is so important. And that's how it's going to drive to the masses. But there's another thing, especially as an entrepreneur that I think about a lot. And you're starting to have like Center of Minds is doing this with Bruce Dahmer and Manesh. Shout out to them. It's, they're just launched this in Austin on Psychedelic Assistant Insights.

So this was a study that came out or researched that around the 50s with Timothy Lerie and James Fateman with LSD. they were doing tests on folks on how to get more creative, how to open up their, you know, expand their minds. And I think that's a big takeaway from it. It's like, you don't have to be on a healing journey. Yes, everybody has issues, you know, that they need to work through. But you can also use psychedelics to be a better version of yourself. Just like how I said with my company, human flourishing, right?

So it's these insights, creativity and how do I become, you know, a better artist, a better entrepreneur, a better XYZ? And I think that's also another thing we need to think about. It doesn't always have to be, you know, doom and gloom and scary and all of that. you can just take a tab and listen to music and just have a fucking great time and build something great. Yeah. I think that's the foundations of all great ideas and sort of businesses is that you have the opportunity. I think psychedelics are going to create a whole new wave of creativity.

A whole new wave of business and a whole new, hopefully a whole new set of laws. Absolutely. For everybody chiming in over here, I know that for my audience that may not know where to find you, Jack, let me start over there with you. Where can people find you if they want to check out the newest article? Well, you can find the latest article at lucid. News or Horizon Mastop News as part of the Boston Institute for Nonprofit Journalism's ongoing efforts to make independent, really, you know, local news available. It's also fully syndicatable because of the Boston Street for nonprofit journalism's Mass Fire Service.

So any publications out there that would like to syndicate this breaking news, you know, major investigative expose, you are free to do so. It's not attacked me in your earliest convenience. and we would make that happen. But yeah, even beyond that, we're working on the secular states of America advocacy spotlight initiative. Got a number of great columns coming up on Nevada, Maine,

a number of other states in the works as well, and a number of exciting collaborations in the works beyond that project that they'll go more about soon. Fantastic. Saba, people are looking to get a hold of you and want to check out the app. What's a good place to find you?

That couple spots. First, our teaser website, join Safar. J-O-I-N-S-A-R dot com. We can go in there. sign up and they'll go directly to our inbox, which I'll manage as well. And then me personally, you can go to my Instagram, which is Saba, SABBA, SABBA, G-E-H-N, and then LinkedIn, my full name, Saba Nashan at LinkedIn.

Happy to connect and talk to anyone. Nice. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much, Psychedelic Science 2025. We're out of here. Aloha. All right.