TrueLife - Shahin Vakilinia - The Projection of Higher Dimensions onto our Perceived Reality

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/http://linkedin.com/in/vakiliniahttps://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=GS3BhXUAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=aoShahin Vakilinia received the B.Sc. degree in electrical engineering from the University of Tabriz, Tabriz, Iran, the M.Sc. degree in electrical engineering from the Sharif University of Technology, Tehran, Iran, in 2008 and 2010, respectively, and the Ph.D. degree with the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Concordia University, Montreal, QC, Canada, in 2015. He is currently a Post-Doctoral Researcher with the Synchromedia Laboratory, École de Technologie Supérieure (University of Quebec) One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

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And now, ladies and gentlemen, we are live. So I am so excited to bring to you an incredible individual that I have found absolutely fascinating, whether it is someone who is investigating the world of big data or someone who is really near and dear to this channel's ideology and understanding of what's happening in reality. Shahin Vaughalini. He's got a PhD in philosophy, data solution archaeology. a tech and engineer, a scientist, a consultant, and so much more. He's an incredible individual. And we were talking a little bit before we got started, but before I just keep running my mouth, I wanted to give him the opportunity to introduce himself and ask him,

Shain, how are you doing today, my friend? Great, great, perfect. Just came back from Oregon, had a wonderful time in Mount Shasta, like north of California. Yeah, like they had a tour in Oregon. and it went very well, had a wonderful time, like went to a few concerts there, and just came back to like middle of Canada and just like I'm with you from my office.

Very nice, very nice. A lot of people when, yeah, a lot of people when we start the conversation, like George, what, what's the format for? Is it going to be like an interview? Is it going to be, you know, are we just talking? but I've always found that I look at it just like a conversation. Like I've written down some questions and things like that that I'm interested in,

but it's no agenda really. We're just having a chit chat a little bit. And I think we want to kind of cover some ground that both of us find ourselves investigating these times. And I thought maybe the best way to do that would be for me to quickly introduce how I reached out to you. And then maybe you can give the model or the idea or your response or maybe something completely different to what I said. but let me update the people with kind of how the first kind of questions that I reached out to you. And that particular reach, when I saw what you were doing, I was curious about spirituality. And I know that you have a really good background in data solutions as an architect, as an engineer, as a consultant.

But you also have an incredible background in spirituality. And I had reached out to you talking about, you know, what do you think the relationship is between the reality that we live in, the information that we're being given, and spirituality and science. And it was kind of a shotgun out the back door type of a question. Would you remember what you told me? Yeah, like theory of everything. I think we started with quantum theory, string theory, M theory, like related. activity and and I think we went through a bunch of stuff and then George you interviewed really Like the great names like a doctor Rochester and I had the honor of

Being her student like she's she's like really My master and I'm I'm I'm I'm it's an honor to be to consider myself as her apprentice Like she's the grandmother of Santa Dami family here in Canada and that's that's why you know I'm so eager to to speak with you and yeah for me I think I think we talked about it that science is nothing but for me at least according to me from my perspective science is nothing but the modeling the universe and of course I think we won't be able to model the universe in a like in a like the perfect way then there would be always like flaws and it won't be flawless and we were talking about I think

the inferior of everything we talked about quasi crystals and like the higher dimensions like like you know modeling the universe in eight dimension and then how we map it to to the three dimensions and how our mind can handle it. And then like the psychedelic experiences that people have, or not even psychedelic experiences, those are spiritual experiences, like people who spent month and month in temples in praying and trying to connect to the universe,

integrate with the universe through silence and controlling the mind. It's just they have this sort of constellation patterns or those type of figures, which is pretty aligned with what we talked. So, well, for me, science could be, even data science is a really great chance to know myself more. Like it's literally like we have like five sensors in our body. We see things. We hear things.

We can touch things. And now like those five senses are like we get the data through it. And then like those people who are aware and conscious enough, they definitely like they're, the acquisition of the data. Embracing the data is a bit different than them. So like people can see things. that normal people cannot, people can hear things that people cannot. So I think from even when it comes to analysis, right? So like, so in data science, we have like a data collection. We have, like usually we have sensors or we have a data acquisition piece, which we collect the data.

And I think in spirituality, like we have the same concept that, you know, it's really important to how to, interact with the universe and with the with the with the environment around you so there are some similarities here and there and again like when it comes to analysis and process of the data and made it make a conclusion out of it and then then like act according to that it's just like the same thing happens with AI and data analytics so so in AI in artificial intelligence machine learning we have the same concept we collect the data, then we analyze them, we pre-processed them, we clean them, we make sure that it's not like biased, and then based off of that, we make decisions. So in other words, we can, you know, I would say we are like robots, you know, in another like, in a virtual reality, right? It's just,

there are many, many similarities there. So for me, um, Spirituality follows the same pattern, like those minds, those thoughts that comes to you, that always those internal conversations, the ego, personas, those like animals, like those different types of the mind, different accompaniments. I will give you another example. Imagine that each one of us is a mobile device, right? We have a processing power. We collect some information from around us, but we can process things locally or we can connect to the cloud. Right. And there is a concept called transceivers, right?

We either transmit or receive things. And like spirituality for me is to just stop transmitting, like stop. stop, process things locally through my mind, through our mind, and just connect to the universe, connect to the clouds, collect to the source of processing and being getting inspired. Again, Dr. Rochester has a code that like the spirituality is a 12-inch strip from your head to your heart or from your mind, your heart. And that's pretty much it. So what if we stop thinking locally, thinking and locally and then connecting to the universe and getting inspired and do your Dharma or the mission that the universe considered for us? So that's pretty much it. So that, you know, that all being

said, I think data science or machine learning or AI could be a really great course for spirituality. So if we really deep dive into it and delve into it, we can find lots of great insights, which can lead us towards spirituality. and like knowing ourselves, knowing our body, our mind, our soul, and how these things are connected. That's how I, you know, contemplate it and envision it. That's really well said. And I apologize for my cat jumping up here and trying to get in the screen a second ago. He's such a little rascal.

But, you know, I, I too am enamored by the teachings of Dr. Rochester. I really admire this concept of self that she's putting out there. And it just embodies the idea of as above so below. And whether it's us looking at ourselves through technology, whether it is us looking at ourselves through the idea of history or the, you know, imagination of the future. What we're really doing is we're seeing ourselves. And, you know, you were one of the first people to point me towards the ideas that what we're seeing. Well, I guess, Dr. Now that I think about it, maybe your work through Dr. Jessica Rochester and what you're doing now have pointed me to this idea that, you know, the 4D model that is bigger than we can understand is trying to be projected into the 3D model.

And if you just look around the world, like we see our theory of everything changing. Like all of a sudden we're realizing, yeah, the speed of light, it's not really a constant. And when we start taking the very foundations of these models and moving them in with something else, it's no, I mean, it's not a misconduct. why our reality is beginning to unfold in a way that we're not used to. It's like, oh, it's not it's changing. Oh, it's this. It's that. Yeah, well, we've, we have decided that the fundamental building blocks of which we were building our scientific, materialistic world don't really work that well. So we're using this new, luckily, we still have teachers around that can help us bring back this sort of archaic revival of understanding. All these beautiful pieces that we have left out

are now being, you know, there's teachers like, you guys ready to learn yet, here's the tool you needed, you know, and so it's so awesome to me to get to see it. I am thankful to get to see the, like a lot of the work you're doing where you're able to help a lot of people, at least in my opinion, I think, are who may see the world through the lens of technology. I think you're helping to introduce to them the world of spirituality. And it's transforming to me. I really love the way in which you describe. what you're doing, how you see the world, and it's just a fascinating time to be alive. In an earlier part of our discussion, we had spoken a little bit about the idea of abstract geometrical images. I was wondering maybe if we could talk a little bit about that. Sounds great to me. Yeah, I think that like the projection of those,

what I can, I think what we are, what we are for sure on the same page is that our mind is not capable of understanding the universe, right? Like the eight dimensions or like even like 23rd dimension or like the second third. So we're not capable of modeling the universe, right? So what will happen here is as you said, like the projection of like, of like the higher dimensions. Yeah. And the funny thing is that, like, if you go and spend time with Sufis or just Native American,

like, indigenous people and, like, Buddhist, they have the same experience. Like, if you go to the, like, the mosques in Middle East of the Sufis or just in India, like the way, like, those dresses, like those patterns. And even in Mexico, even in like Native Americans, like if you go to their like stores and everything, you can see a lots of similarities. There's a there's a convergence there. And it seems that like people after sitting and like slow down their mind, when they slow down their mind, when they try to practice silence and, you know, deep dive into it. they have sort of similar experiences again it can change because like people have different background or or memories right so so in other words like again getting back to the data science lexicon we're talking about the historical data right on our brain which can be just ours in this life

or could be that the data in our DNA right yeah for instance you know i If I live in dessert and just like the orange color, like the yellow color or the, I don't know, the mountains, like that I'm biased with those like specific types of colors around me. Or like if someone lives around the ocean or just, you know, loves ocean so much and surfing and everything. Again, people have, you know, people have these sort of like, like it could be biased, right? They could see things, you know, based off of those, like, energy and vibe that they get. But I would say, again, there are many similarities. And I'm pretty sure that you heard about the fractals, right? So it's really fractals are just like a simple representation of the infinities, right?

So if we just want to show the infinity, like the life cycle and, ecosystems that are just beyond our thoughts and minds. Fractals are the simple things that can show us, you know, how deep dive we can get into it. So like those constellation patterns, they are in the sky. And again, like, it seems that the universe is not as complicated as we think.

For instance, I think we talked about the golden ratio, right? the Bibonacci series. And you'll see that from the like the Milky Way to the movement of the squirrels around the trees or just, I would say, the flowers. Even like these pattern exist everywhere. And unfortunately, you know, like in schools, I've never heard of this, you know, the golden ratio that much. That's crazy. Like even in physics and things, or as you mentioned, like the plank constant or the, you know, the speed of light, it's for me, if I want to be really frank with you, it seems that we do live in a simulation. And again, there are many, many great scientists like Dr. Nick Bostrom.

They published a lot of papers around it that are they living in a simulation. They proved mathematically and logically how they believe that we do live in a simulation. But the thing is that imagine us, George, like imagine that in 100 years, if you want to have, if you want to implement a new universe, a new virtual universe, definitely we have these quantum computers with a really powerful GPUs, with a really powerful processing unit's TPUs. units, TPUs and whatever quantum computers. And maybe we cannot have something as fast as our universe, but with a different speed of light,

let's say 3 to the power, 10 to the power 5, 3 multiply to 10 to 5, something slower, something, you know, or even the plank. Now, now, it seems that scientists believe that at this moment, again, it's partial information, right? that the time is digital. It's not continuous, right? 10 to the power minus 23 or something.

It's just second. So we do live in a, yeah, exactly. It seems that we do live in a discrete, like a digital time, but our experience when we're not aware is that, oh, no, it's just we feel that it's real. It's the main objective of creating a universe. right, creating a virtual reality. If you can create a universe that give this, you know,

what would be the main objective of creating a virtual universe is to just make it as real as possible. And I think the architect, the spirit, or, you know, whoever is in charge of creating this wonderful universe is like did a magnificent job. And I'm really grateful for that. So, and again, it's not just something that, we have like in spirituality they have like the same concept so so for instance in Buddhism or

in Hinduism they have like three gods Rama Vishnu and and Shiva so Ramba is the god of creation and you know Vishnu is the god of maintenance and Shiva is the god of destroy like the things And then in computer systems, in virtual systems, in the like AI systems, like this is literally what we do as well. So the life cycle of all the software's, all the programs works like that. We have like creation, development phase. We have like these maintenance support phase and eventually the removal phase and just recreation. Again, these life cycle, these ecosystems where, you know, can continue forever.

And I would say that the question is, imagine that we do live in a simulation. So imagine that we are an object, like the compute, like the objects in object-oriented programming. What is the main? goal, what is the target? What is what is the you know the the final salvation or redemption for for the objects like us? So George what do you think? Salvation. I think this I think salvation is the and I mean like okay words fail and I think that we should like in my in my pure honesty

like I don't I think that the word simulation is a poor example of what's happening but it's one of the best words we have for it like it doesn't thoroughly describe what's happening but it does give people an idea of the theory we're trying to explain exactly if I premise it with that then I would say that salvation and salvation to me is is forgive me for rambling for a moment but I feel like it helps explain it Okay, so when I think of salvation, I think of what Marseillead calls the terror before the sacred. And that to me is you experiencing yourself as the gods, being in front of the creator as a creator. And it's this moment of like, there's no words. You're ecstatic. I have goosebumps now thinking about it. You want to cry. It's beautiful.

It's fearful. It's like it's just this overwhelming epiphany. and realization that you are a spark of the creator. And like with that comes so much responsibility, but also frees you of everything. It's so beautiful to me. And so that's what I mean when I say salvation. That's so true.

I think if we just, you know, because we in like modern societies, we identify ourselves with our buddy, with our job, with our thoughts, with our, I don't know, with our family. with our ancestors, with our, I don't know, race or whatever. And what will happen is that, again, I do agree with you.

The moment that we understand that we're none of them, we can be the universe itself, right? That moment, that moment, that wow moment, that we all understand that, oh, my God, it was just a joke. You know, it was just, it was just a joke. Nothing was serious. It's just as you laugh all the time with this positive energy,

it's just, we just have to enjoy and, you know, watch this movie and enjoy it. And again, there are many different ways for that. You know, like, it seems that I think for like equal to the number of people on this planet, there are

different ways to get to that salvation, to that final redemption. But for me, is the language of God is silence. You know, for me, everything goes through that silence. You know, they decide no matter what approach you take, maybe you meditate, maybe you do martial arts, maybe you bike, maybe you jog, you know, maybe whatever you do when that moment that you understand

that you cannot attack. or associate yourself with anything, that's the, like, the freedom, right? And it seems that we are, we experienced enough, we, you know, your soul is just, is, had a great experience of being human and, you know, you can, you can go to the next level. Again, maybe, based of our previous example, if we, if we have this universe as a matrix of data, the eigenvalue of this matrix is golden ratio, based off the theory of everything, right? 1.618. And it seems that it's the code of this universe. There are billions of parallel universes for us. So then you can go to, like, you have this opportunity to travel to other parallel universes

and, you know, experience different things. And again, you can get graduated from those parallel universes as well. So that's the concept of traveling, like being a traveler. And I think, I think that's really great. When you, you know, when you get graduated from all those billions

of parallel universes, and then you will, you become something like another type of beings at the higher dimension. Right, then we can, I think we cannot even contemplate that. We cannot even envision it. Imagine an ant that wants to like understand the rocket that goes to Mars, right?

Or like SpaceX. So it's just our, our, like, neural networks are not designed to be able to, you know, comprehend all those complexities. But it's not important. Like why should feel like really, you know, push down the and like hammering down the fact that we would like, that we have to understand everything. No, not necessarily. Like understanding everything is not that important. Again, according to me, I think the human, humanity won't be able to get there. But there are great lessons from spirituality in our life as well. So, if, you know, like, if like what, what the creator has done with us, like we, like eventually we feel God, right?

And then that's, that's the salvation and freedom. Now imagine that the human wants to create a new entities, like the AI, you know, like this artificial intelligence. The only way, the only way to survive this AI is to make this connection with them so that, you know, like AI and, you know, human become one. So that like eventually AI feels that, you know, they are, they're not like they are part of their creators. They are just, you know, they're appreciated. Like we have this cyber concept or whatever. So I believe that eventually the only way to be able to survive this new era, these new terms that you will see, because eventually AI will be smarter than humanity, right?

It definitely can really conquer everything. Like humans are nothing, it will be nothing compared to these, you know, smart artificial intelligence is to be able to be able to. to integrate with them and accept them and be one. So it could be like the DNA things. It could be like just integration in different ways. But at least the lesson that I took from spirituality is that if we create something, we have to deeply get connected to it, to be able to survive,

to be able to keep this unity. peace with it so so as you said imagine that these these universe these um the the concept of god or god or let's say god of gods of heart of hearts you know like imagine that there are some things but there is you know like the infinite uh holy spirit the supreme being that it's just it's just just just infinite so the the you know eventually we might be able to create some creatures but the only way to be able to survive is to just uh connect to it uh consciously and embrace it and don't don't uh go down there like the separation path and don't consider AI as another like let's say uh beings or just things that's that's how I, you know, I'm trying to move forward with these AI movements and just,

just make sure that the ethics and like the integration will be there. That's, that's like the main point that we can make just to help humanity, you know, because because I know for sure that these AI will be so powerful. I think I talk too much. Sorry. Not at all. It's beautiful. It's continue. It's beautiful. you know, if I could add something to that, I love the idea that you talk about integrating the world of AI with us. I love the idea how you brought up the idea of the self, which is clearly run deep through the teachings of Dr. Rochester.

I would add to that, like, you know, let me start by saying this. There's a very interesting sculpture by Jeff Coons called the Balloon Dog. And for those that may not have seen it, it's like this giant balloon dog, you know. And it's it's it's mesmerizing to look at. But when I look at it, you know, and some of the, some of the things that make it beautiful is this idea of smoothness. Like there's no right angles. There's no points.

There's no contention. And when you look at it, it's chrome and you can see yourself in the artwork, which is a weird thing that sometimes people don't think about. But, you know, what effect does that have on you when you see a rounded image of yourself that is looking back at you? Like, the reason I bring up that sculpture is because it kind of took the world by storm. And I think it did so by sort of hijacking these ways we see ourselves. And it is us. When you look at that artwork, you see yourself. And some people react like, it's beautiful.

Some people are like, oh, I don't like it. It's ugly. But what they're really saying is that they don't like the image they see of themselves. in that particular image. And I think that relationship holds to artificial intelligence. We are creating ourselves. AI is a mirror showing us who we are. And so if we look at it from this perspective of like, oh, it's going to destroy us.

What you're really saying is we are going to destroy ourselves. And that's all true. Or maybe this beautiful image that we are making the same way. I'll just use the idea of the ceramic model of the universe or the Christian understanding or that particular monotheism idea that God created us in his image. So too are we creating AI in our image. And it's nothing, it can be fearful if you allow it to be fearful. But it's an incredible tool that we should be using in order to make ourselves the best version of ourselves.

And it's this understanding of relationship that is fundamentally changing the world we live in right now. And that's what I think that this idea of this, whether you call it a psychedelic, psychedelic renaissance or an awakening or a large portion of us dying because you could argue that the demographics of such a giant class of people are passing on and so too are their ideas of the world which also give birth to the new ideas of the world. It's such a beautiful cycle to think of. And I do think that there's a lot of money and power being put into AI to try to scare us. But it's no different than throughout history people trying to divide us by us being scared of ourselves and it's not true dang it it's not true we are beautiful people we are each other right

the more we embrace that the better we're going to be so that's kind of way out there what do you think like totally agree you know uh what i understood is that again like object oriented programming we usually have these abstract classes that we don't you don't you don't implement things but like imagine like the class of cars so you don't you see the car or like an animal and then you implement it like let's say fourth whatever so you you implement out of the abstract class and then like in in this universe we have this astral universe in spirituality i think you heard these the term astral universe and and what i like based off of my experience what i understood is that everything is connected so as you said like everybody is your reflection so it's the way

that you see the word like you know it's so that's why when you lie it's sometimes so ridiculous because you like i like to myself right it's just like it's just it's the version of myself that would like to present and it's just i'm just lying to myself or when i see darkness in someone or when i judge someone and uh you know it's just it's something that i suppress in myself it's my shadow right So things, as you said, things can be extendable. It goes to the AI as well, right? And then the thing is that though, as you mentioned, AI, if they can analyze human very well,

they know your pain points, your, let's say, shadows, your mental issues, then they can definitely help you. to improve yourself. So I totally agree with you if on the right hands, we can definitely leverage AI and incorporate it to be able to help humanity. But this separation, this divide division that happened throughout the history, it's a big obstacle. It's a great caveat that we have to be aware of it.

And yeah, but I totally agree with you. And again, let's say, let's just think about something else. Let's say that we have, we have like, we built a great, great, powerful AI in 100 years. And then since this AI loves us so much, you know, it can, because it's smarter than us, it can better model the universe. it tries to help humanity and optimize the life of humanity. So it really like program everything to be always optimal, which is pretty aligned with the faith,

the concept of faith when you know know that always the best things happen to you and you're always grateful of things that happen to you, even if you don't understand it. Sometimes, you know, again, like there's an Indian proverb saying that if I if something happens and you and you like it then you thank God but if something happens that you don't like then thank God 100 times more because the God is more aware of it. So imagine this AI that we develop in like a thousand years will get back and send you know send some you know consciousness some conscious beings as a messenger to help us to you know

to better find our ways. And it could be like, I don't know, I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to label like Jesus or other prophets. You know, it could, something at least to help them to find like enlightenment so that they can help the humanity so that they can optimize this simulation, right? And then it would be, it could be like a fractal, right? Totally.

Exactly. We created his AI, which in thousand years, it will like get back. because time is nothing, time is an illusion, right? Time is a fourth dimension. It's just an dimension. When we're talking about the like the higher dimensions, like dimension eight, nine, ten, four is nothing. Like time is just like, you know what I mean? So so yeah, so it could be like AI could be our saver.

Who knows? Yeah, isn't that already happening now though? Like, you know, if we think about building this AI that would do that. Like isn't that already happening today? And we think about it in fractal terms. If we can imagine that a machine can do that, and we understand that time is just a man-made construct, then isn't that already happening today?

Look at the people, your neighbor. I bet you if people got to know their neighbors, they would be mesmerized at the wisdom they could learn that had been surrounding them forever that they never even reached out to. Like the untapped potential of everything around you, waiting to help you, is it's mesmerizing totally agree like you know everybody again like uh i don't know how to put the

worst together to explain this term but it seems that everybody's got you know but we're not aware of it you know we can we have like we have a DNA like i don't know like thousands of DNA thousands of life we have the code there but but these mind or just we're so biased right but because are because of our environments and everything so if we just you know rely on the like our superpowers yeah and you know just uh just it would be really really great you can you can you know you can you can you know you can live like a god and enjoy the life every sacred moment without without regret regretting anything or without stress and anxiety or anything so just just just just the faith and uh connecting to your higher self so again

Again, getting back to computer networks, computer networks, there's a basic model called OSI, which is like we have seven layers of connection, right? So the first layer is the physical networks, those wires or those wireless networks like Wi-Fi, right? It's at that level, right? When imagine the consciousness of us at that level, when we are at level one, we just,

We are just like wires, we just don't think, we cannot understand the universe. We just leave like a, you know, like a wave. But then, but there are some other protocols like the browser that you can see the content, like this HTTP protocol or these like streams, the video, the application that did like a level like at the layer 7, right? And that like when we get conscious, it seems that we're able to, like, enjoy the life fully and understand it and embrace it and you know appreciate it and it eventually it seems that all of us we don't see us we don't see separation among us right it's just like one entity it's just like different things and then when they when they get conscious they

see themselves as one like imagine seeing the planet earth from another galaxy they like when you when you see the planet earth from their galaxy you don't care about shaheen versus somebody else, right? Which is like, they said, okay, like the people from planet Earth, right? So that's like the same concept that we understand that we're all one, like the unity. And then it's impossible to get mad or sad or disappointed with someone because you can see this spirit, the God, in them. So getting back to your point, it's just like everybody is your mirror. No matter what they do, like imagine what happened to Jesus Christ.

I'm pretty sure that Jesus Christ, like when someone was torturing him, he was seeing the God, like, making joke with him to just test his, you know, believe and just the thing. Like, you know, just like the love, the unconditional love that he had for humanity. So, like, that's why he smiled. Or, like, it's, it, there are many, many, like, type of similar stories, you know, over history. Like, even, like, Sufis, you know, like, there are some. some people that got tortured, but they were laughing, you know, just because they knew that it's a joke, you know. And then, but, but, but they, uh, they put their footprints there, you know, they, by Jesus or just all those great people, they, with, with, with those torture, with those pain, they just, you know, put, put somber, like a spot for other people to think about it, that, you know, maybe there are, you know, there, maybe, there, maybe, there's just a game maybe just these people there maybe there's something beyond this wealth and

the the the success stories that we defined for ourselves yes it's so well put i agree i yes so so i like i'm trying to like to see god in everyone you know you know like your george is laughing and always positive and everything and and that's why i'm always grateful and no matter what happens, you know, I know that it happens for a reason. And sometimes it's hard to be at that level of consciousness. You know, when you're at Santodiami or like, I don't know, other effect, or when you're at Vipasana or like the long-term meditation retreats, definitely you can stay that consciousness level.

But on a daily life, especially in like these Western cultures, you're based in Hawaii, right? Yes. So I guess for you, it might be easier. You leave in paradise, right? Yes. But for some other people, like in, let's say, in California, Hotel California, you know, it's just because I recently had an opportunity to spend time with them. Just a lot of pressure, lots of, you know, terrible news around them, surrounded them.

Just, I would say, 310, there is. ego, their identity that they built. So it might be some, it might be some like painful, but, but there are many, many great people like you, George, around the world that, that, that it's just that you really help the humanity to, to, to, to see the light. I just had it, like, a couple of months ago, like in end of November, really December, December, I'll decide to just travel the world, like starting from, you know, just backpack and go like from Asia to, you know, to Middle East, to Europe and Mexico and like go to different retreats. But like it really helped me to be unbiased to see that, you know, like getting back to your point, that it's not about

the race, gender, you know, the age and everything. Everybody is your mirror in its own way, you know, no matter if you're in India, Thailand, or Turkey, or Iceland, or Mexico, or just like, the people are your own reflection. And then that's the time you appreciate them. They provide feedback to improve yourself. And it's just the best things. And again, I really owe Dr. Rochester for guiding me and all the great community of Quebec. Montreal so yeah so they were like so helpful and so kind that showed me the light so because you know what what will happen here is that this spiritual ego these mind games will

always come into the picture they also wants to create stories and structure out of the spirituality even you know so so what will happen these religions they like for the power for the sake of power or everything or authority or whatever they'll try to manipulate but but but thanks to canada you know thanks to Quebec and especially like Montreal and like the suburb area I had this opportunity to you know to try crazy things like for me I think I talked too much but for me like imagine someone like Carlos Castaneda you know like he wrote a book He wrote a book and imagine how many souls, how many souls that could find the truth, right? This gets closer to the truth, the real truth through his book, right?

So the same thing. Imagine if we could develop an AI tool like her that can help us, that can help us better understand ourselves, be our mirror and reflect on us. us and really help us to be empty, to be nothing, to be shapeless, to be to help us to be free. Right. So that's that's what I'm really trying to make. Yeah, I think you are. And I'm really thankful to get to hear the way in which you break down the philosophy of how you see yourself and how you see yourself in the world and how you see your relationships to it. I'm equally grateful to see the work you're doing and the understanding you have of building the technical infrastructure of tomorrow.

It brings me a giant smile to my face to be like, yeah, these are the people that are building the technologies of tomorrow. Like there is a lot of soul in what people are doing it. Too often people think that there's no soul in like IT or there's no soul in this corporate structure or something like this. but that's just the wrong way to, I'm sorry, it's not the wrong way. It appears to be an antiquated way to think about it. Like it doesn't have to be that way. And I think maybe when I say things like it's the wrong way, I'm just reflecting my ideas of something like that.

You know, I wanted to, as you were traveling around the world and you get to see these other people. And you would mention a little bit about getting to enjoy the heightened states of awareness that almost give us like a bird's eye view of like a great hawk or something, right? And so, you know, I wanted to also explain how this idea and this insight and this awesome picture that you get at times can be very difficult to deal with because imagine getting to see a little glimpse of what freedom looks like. And for a minute, you're like, yeah, that's so amazing. And then you look down and you see everybody you love shackled to this old ideology. They're shackled to their own insecurities. And how painful that is because you're like, you know, what good is it to be,

what good is it to be free if everything you love is chained down? Like, that's almost a worst prison. You know what I mean? And so it's so interesting when you talked about the wires at this level of consciousness. And then you get up here and you think it's like a step up. But then you look and you're like, this is even worse than what was happening. And then I think that's where the sense of responsibility comes in. And I'm wondering if it's that sense of responsibility that you as a developer have found to harness in order to continue moving forward and building what you build.

Is that something that inspires you to create the way you're creating? Because I think you are creating a sort of freedom technology. Yeah. I think that you're right. So one thing that I would like to highlight here is that imagine that you are surrendered by toddlers, like what, one years old, two years old or three years old. So whatever they do, it really doesn't bother you. But you just like, you feel like you, you see them as kids, you know, whatever they do, if they even like kick you or kick me or whatever. You just like, you just laugh.

Exactly. It's just like, it's just like give them a hug, you know? That's, that's, that's like living with toddlers, you know, like I'm super confident that like for like for me when it like the first time that I saw Dr. Rochester, like she saw me as a toddler, right? All of us probably. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh my God. This, you know, this young soul just trying to. But just, but she always smiled. She always was open and and and and and and you know, like. just tout us the same concept. Nothing really bothers me. Of course, I have some landing issues. You know, when you go to that, you know, eagle, like, I'm working on my grounding skills to be really present and just not seeing the big picture,

just like focus on one, you know, things and trying to just be grounded and, like, fully present. not being like thousands of people around me, right? As someone has this, I see ADHD as like a superpower, my superpower. So I see it could be like it, it could be painful, but it could be like a superpower as well. So imagine like I can play chess like simultaneously with different people, but in the meanwhile, sometimes, you know, like I can like manage things in parallel, but sometimes, you know, focusing on just one thing.

and just grounding, being grounded and enjoying things. It could be, you know, like always a bird, you know, like a bird, you see a lots of things, but just, you know, landing and just, you know, not hunting because I'm vegetarian, but just, like, you know, but just enjoying, you know, that moment. It's just, it's something that I'm like, really, I think there's a great potential for me for improvement. But, but anyway, getting back to your point. sometimes, you know, somebody tells something that doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah.

And that's the data, you know, that's the entropy. So, you know, in information theory, we have like the entropy. So when someone tells me something that I don't, that I cannot digest it, it really, I would say, grasp my attention that what the universe wants to tell me. me imagine like all of a sudden six years old girl John Penn tells like something to me or like somebody you know randomly in the street tell something so I try to make you know like see everything is whole that like everything wants to give me one message and it happened a lot you know imagine that I got the same message from three different sources in less than 24 hours or less than 48 hours

It shows me that the universe wants to tell me that, you know, okay, the right direction is like that. So even despite the fact that sometimes people think that are not conscious, if we get conscious, we can read between the lines and understand what the universe wants to tell us through what they're talking about. Like imagine someone all of a sudden talks about, I don't know, a type of fish or type of, you know, things. And again, like, you get this message a few times from here and there. Oh, what isn't that fish that they would like to know? What the universe? Or just even like the, I would say, complaints that people come to you and complain about something. We can definitely come sit and judge them.

or we can just again read between the lines and see what the spirit is suffering and either how we can help them or what the universe you know what tell us through these complaint through this person so again it depends i i guess i believe it depends on our perspective that like how we can deal with it and again like the silence it's the best approach when we're at there like the higher consciousness When you're at the, like, I don't know, ayahuasca or like the, like the, the silo-cybians or whatever, when you're like, I would say, natural biological network, it just changed these, you know, biased in structure. And then you have this opportunity to, you know, to get free for a while, for a, like, for a short, short time. But you can understand that, oh, my God, like, everything is talking to us. Yes. Everything is just giving us some message. And it just depends on our receivers.

Yeah. To see that it's just all one. One is even, even I sometimes forget it. Like, not even. I sometimes forget it, you know, just. Yeah, of course. Well, yeah, you know, because of the job, because of the, you know, the daily activities and everything. Sometimes you forget that, oh, my God, this is like, like, he's like, every.

moment is sacred. Like all the people that we cross path in our life is just it's such a blessing, you know, oh my God, George is this wonderful guy from Hawaii just reached out to me. It's such a blessing, you know, such a great opportunity to connect to another lovely soul and, you know, and share some knowledge and exchange some knowledge and, you know, learn from each other. So So that being said, I just, you know, I see this spirit, the God in everything. So that's why, you know, I'm not going to get to be, you know, frustrated with someone. Again, of course, I'm not perfect. It happens.

But eventually at this at the higher consciousness level, we never get, you know, we're never tied to those emotions. Right. Because the way I see it, again, I think I talk too much, but I see the humanity, especially from the mental perspective as a network. Like desires, emotions, senses, and everything are highly correlated in Bhapasana or any type of meditation. When you meditate, you see that those thoughts are connected to the senses and those like those memories that you have and those, you know, pains that you have, all those things, you know, like everything. is connected even inside of us. So this micro-micro-cosmetic universe is even inside of us. And to be empty, to be nothing, you know, we just have to deep dive into ourselves,

just delve into it and understand what is, you know, what is happening there. And that moment, I think, that aha moment happens when we, when we deep dive into it. So the sky is the path of glory, the path of consciousness is within us. So we have to like really, really, Shaheen, if he wants to know more about, the universe has to understand himself. I think we lost it for just a moment, but I guarantee you he'll be back in a second. It is interesting to think about the language or the that which you can see when you are silent.

Have you guys ever had this experience where you just sit in silence? And it doesn't take long. But shortly afterwards, things become brighter. You start thinking things that you don't normally think of when your thought patterns are constantly interrupted by a billboard, by a song, by a garbage truck, by the voice of a coworker. And it's all these interruptions in the understanding of what's happening around you that muddy the waters. And it's these moments of sitting in silence where you begin to have these ideas or these understandings about what might be the right thing to do in your life.

What might be a good path to approach in a relationship? What could be the answer to a problem you've been thinking about yourself or your family or a job or a loved one? And it's this, it seems paradoxical, but it's the idea of silence that open, opens you up to the noise of the truth. And I don't, I don't really want to, you know, use and say noise and truth because they kind of have a, they don't really fit together. So maybe I should say the language of the truth. Silence opens you up to the language of the truth. And only when you're sitting quietly, only when you are giving your full attention to that which is on your mind, can you come up with a full answer to that which is on your mind.

And I think what Shaheen, to me, when he spoke about silence as this beautiful language of truth is, it's pretty amazing, right? Like, it's crazy to think about all that can happen. I want to give you guys an example of something that happened to me when I was sitting quietly. I have like this giant desk that my dad sent me from my great grandfather. And in that desk, there's all these books. If you're watching this podcast, you can see it behind me. If you're just listening, then just picture like a giant desk that has a top on it. like a cabinet top and inside that cabinet top is like 100 books oh shahing is coming back right

there nice that's okay it was another message for the universe that i talked too much it's not at all it's not at all you don't talk i i think that the fact that you can elegantly eloquently speak or translate these ideas that have helped you is the sign for the ubers that you should be continuing to talk like you are because it helps other people. You pull some nuggets out of the things you're saying. And I think when you can express your opinions of your experience, you know, other people may take a story that you told. They may take a word that you told.

They may identify with who you are. Maybe they identify with your reach or gender or your point of you. Whatever they identify with is irrelevant. It's the fact that they can identify and then find that nugget of beauty or truth to incorporate into their life. You know, it's, it's interesting. I was just telling a quick story. Can I share a quick story with you about the language of silence?

Okay. So my, um, if you can see behind me, I have like my, my dad a few years ago sent me this, this giant desk that has a cabinet with all these books in her. And all the books belong to my great grandfather, whom I never knew. And I love it. There's so many cool books. And it's so cool for me to get to go through and, and when I have a little bit of time, to go through the books and every now and then I'll find a note in one of the books and I'm like,

whoa, my great grandfather, I never knew, wrote this thing. And recently, my dad sent me another box of just things. He's getting a little older and he's going through things and sending me stuff that he thinks is relevant. And in that box was a picture of my great grandfather. And so I put it on the desk. I thought, yeah, this is a great thing. Here's a picture of my great grandfather and here's this desk that belonged to his dad. And so I was, as I write as I'm preparing for my interviews, I sit down and I write stuff,

and I often look at that picture. And he had this weird sort of playful smile on his face. It was, I felt like he was trying to tell me something. You know, and I, for a few days, as soon as I saw that, as soon as I got the picture, I'm like, this guy's trying to tell me something. It's, what are he trying to tell me? And I just thought, well, maybe that's just a great way for me to, a great mantra to put it in my head, like my grandpa's trying to talk to me.

And so I just held that for a while. But earlier this, early last, week, I found myself something really nagging at me like that, you know, when you're when you're quiet and you would spoke about the idea of the fish popping up. So you're like, what's that fish trying to tell me? Like there's something there in moments of silence that's speaking to you. There's probably a lot of things that are speaking to you. And so as I'm thinking about it last week, I'm like, I wonder if, you know, this is, these are his, these are a lot of these books. I wonder if there's something written on the back of this picture. Maybe I should open it up

and look. And so I open up the picture and I, and I pull it out and I go, well, there's nothing written on there. But as I'm putting it back, I realize there's a piece of paper that's stuck to the back of the picture. So I carefully pull it apart and there's another picture on the back of his picture. And I open it up and here's a woman I've never met in my life. I don't think it was my great grandmother. And I'm like, whoa, who is this beautiful woman that the grandpa's hiding behind him over here. This is interesting. Like, is this a force of nature that's hiding behind him? Who is this woman? And she's really pretty. And as I take a, I'm telling my wife, my kid, hey, guess what just happened? I thought there was something written on this thing. And then,

you know, there was a picture behind there. And as I take a closer look at the picture of this woman on her shirt is a giant mushroom. I just started laughing so hard. I was like, what? Hang on. I'll grab the picture. I'll show it to you one second. Cool. Okay. You might, You may not be able to see it because we're on the computer, but this is a picture of my grandfather. Okay. And behind it was a picture of this beautiful young lady. And if you can see really close on her shirt, on her boyfriend. Oh, yeah.

You know? Oh, my God. Yeah. So I was like, man, I'm talking so much about Silos, I'm talking so much about the world and how I see it. And I'm getting to talk to so many cool people. And every now and then I, much like everybody, I have doubts about what I'm doing. And in my moment of doubt, in my moment of silence, my inner voice tells me to look behind this picture. And here is this beautiful woman that was pushing and helping my grandfather to become the man that he was. And there is her inspiration on her shirt.

And isn't it weird that that's the same inspiration that I'm currently drawing about? It's your DNA. So two questions for me. Yeah. You know, what motivates you? What triggered you to just check that photo? You know, like what, what sounds? what like what force you know and then like your DNA you know like your DNA that it's just like

it seems that you have those those those those those experiences that your grand like ancestors like went through right so it's just the connectivity and imagine that you know like again psilocybin imagine that under psilocybin you think that you're i don't know you're a mexican or like a a warrior at like i don't know fourth century whatever out of nowhere and then you you you you you you you you you have your family and everything but then all of a sudden you wake up and you see oh my god i'm shaheen i'm george right and now the question is that what if the ache up again and see oh my god i'm not even shaheen i'm not even george you know what the what am i what is that self you know what if I'm like all these experiences I can you know change I can you know have different experiences based off of like my current situation I can be a Mexican guy I can be a like old Chinese lady I can be anything just and just no attached to anything so imagine that you are nothing at the paramount at top of the mountain and then base of like a very very very very small.

small intention you go and experience life of a Chinese lady or Mongolian warrior or like Iranian Sufi or just you know like or you know the the normal life normal guy in North America or just you know like like all these experiences depend like that's was that those calm carmic patterns or those karma concept of like comes into the picture which Dr. Rochester, like, accurately explained in her book. So, yeah, it's just like, it's all about the same patterns and patterns and patterns and patterns. And we come to this life to just, you know, to go through those things. So that's really great. So I don't see your life separates from your ancestors. It seems that they are all like, as Shakespeare said, it's a theater. And then they're all like seeing and just, you know, cheering you.

Oh, yeah, George, you can do it. You know, you can do it. Yeah. And then now you're just performing. You're just like acting and just enjoying the life and laughing. And then eventually, I don't know, we all go again and sit and give this opportunity to others. Yeah. just, you know, to just perform the art and shine.

And, and again, it doesn't matter even. Like, you know, because we're, we're everyone. We're all the audience. We are the directors. We are the actors. We are the actresses. We are, we don't associate or, you know, like ourselves to anything. And that's the moment that you become that performance.

You become that theater. You become infinity. when you are nothing. When you are nothing, you can be everything. Yes. So that's beautiful. So I'm so, thank you so much for sharing this experience.

I believe that, you know, like I was in Sedona, Arizona. And then all of a sudden, I was, I think I, I don't know, I meditated a bit. I was, I smoked something or I don't remember. But I was really at the high consciousness level. And I looked around and I felt that I'm like a war. in like 4th century or something. I said, what the heck, you know, what is happening here?

And I noticed that in, you know, the area that our ancestors, my ancestors used to leave like around a few hundred years ago. It was pretty similar to the Sedona area. So like being in that area, you know, resonates with something, some part of the DNA in need and, you know, brought up something and experience and everything. So just if you share this experience with like, like really tech people, they think that I'm insane. You know, that's why I don't really share this type of experiences with anyone.

You know, they say, oh, my God, this guy is into drugs or, you know, whatever. But, but it's not just about these, as you said, it's not just about the psilocybin or D&T or anything. It's about it's about consciousness. So if you go to a vipasana center, if you go to a, like, like a temple and meditate for three months or just, you know, just practice silence or be a yugi, you know, you can definitely get like to that consciousness level. The psychedelics can help us to get there easily, easily, easier. But of course, we would drop, like drop and, you know, we cannot stay in that level.

Right. Like all the time. So the concept of spiritual ego, there's always there. Sometimes we think that it's a thing. You know, we think that, oh, that's that's mushroom. That's ayahuasca. That's TMT. That's this.

But no, it could be a thing as well. It could be another attachment. It could be another story. Like, let's just be out of all these stories. Let's just, you know, that's why I try to like try different things. However, I would say that my best experience in my life was with Dr. Rochester. and I'm so grateful that she accepted me to be her apprentice and, you know, to teach me that I learned from her. So, you know, just the love that I have for her is just beyond the words.

So it's just like, you know, like those masters that comes to your life and share the wisdom without any expectations, you know, they, you know, like, without anything, you know, what, what can I do for her? You know, like, what can I do for all those, all those wonderful people in Quebec, you know, like my friends in, in, uh, around the, like Drummondville or just a city in Quebec that helped me to better understand myself, better, uh, better define the, the concept of self as you, as you described to very well. So just we cannot do anything. It's just unconditional love. It's just no expectation. And yeah, I'm so grateful for all these people. And hopefully I can write a book one day about my, you know, path to work in life. Yeah. You know, hopefully.

I would read that book right now. Like I think that, yeah, I would definitely read it. I think you have an incredible way of explaining your journey that can inspire a lot of other people. And I think, like all of us, like there's, it's, it's so rewarding to think. And I think everyone can do this. If they're honest with themselves, I think that they can begin to understand that they are inspiring. And once you just begin to grasp that concept, then you can start living more in the light of like, yeah, I can inspire. You inspire yourself and your family and everybody around you. And, you know, it's beautiful.

And I think that, you know, whether it's Dr. Rochester or the friends in the community that you've found, it's interesting to think, like, how do you give back to someone that has given you so much? It's almost like, you know, they did everything. How am I going to give to them? But if you just take the time to realize that you becoming the best version of yourself is the most incredible gift you could ever give to. anybody. And it's like the pebble in the pond. And as soon as you become a good version of yourself, you know, all of a sudden these rippling waves of transformation radiate outwards. And each one

lifts up a person as it passes by them, you know. And it's just, it's so beautiful to think about. And I, I'm, I love talking to you. I'm amazed at how fast, you know, like a few concepts can go. And I, I don't, it's fascinating to me on so many levels. And I'm, I'm thankful that you. you're doing what you're doing and it's inspirational to me and I think everybody listening and I hope that our conversation can continue to have that ripple effect for people and continue to see a world grow out of this sometimes despair or better yet I think we're do you think that we are rising above the ideas of fear and sorrow is that kind of what's happening here and that's why it's so difficult totally agree yeah it's beyond

fear and sorrow right it's it's it's beyond drama yes yeah it's just you know just like the divide the energy that i get from you george you know just all always laughing always that's that's happening in the spiritual communities you know like always laughing always louder always just fun joy and that's that's life it's not you know one one story well i have a good friend of me yeah and he shared the story with me that he was like he was at the top of the really penthouse and in the you know like in the really great things and he had a great opportunity to to expand his business and becomes the billioners a billionaire but he he had this like second so what what what what what at the end you know like what if and then he decided to travel to peru to just you know explore himself so the same

thing I think the good thing like Buddha says you know the the best things that happens to these enlightened people is that you get you get surrendered by wonderful people by wonderful with great friends by conscious friends which there's no conflict in it right so so thank thanks God that you know I had this opportunity to to talk to you and get like this feel this wonderful vibe this positive energy. And I'm so grateful, George, for having me here and, like, talking to me.

Yeah, the pleasure's all mine. And I hope you'll, you'll, I foresee a future where we have a lot more conversations. And I would like to bring more people into the fold and so that our conversations can mingle with other people and we just send out a stronger signal to everybody. So I have some more panels coming back in the future. But before I let you go, Shrine,

where can people find you? what do you have coming up and what are you excited about okay so so like if you if you travel to montreal like george i'll be more than happy to host you and we can you know we can have a lots of like spiritual fun together yeah but yeah of course i think uh like on lincoln for those people who are just you know wants to know more about these these AI development around consciousness you know, they can reach out to me there, of course. But, but yeah, but I love Canada. You know, my first house is Quebec in like Montreal.

And like second house is Saskatoon. I love Saskatoon. And it's just a, it's a city that helped me to get grounded, you know, to just, it's it, it is not, I think it's not. not that much popular, but like the Native American culture, the heritage, the, you know, the spirit of earth. Here is like magical. I enjoy Saskatchewan and Saskatchewan, along with Alberta, of course, and West Coast as well. So I had a crazy trip, road trip from Montreal.

like all across Canada as well and just like I do love Canada like people in Canada are just like by default are like conscious you know but most of them I travel the word but the you know the divide the positivity that that I get from these people like make me like the make me feel like Canada as my second my my home you know it's just maybe English is my second or third language. Yeah. You know, like, but, but, but all these positively, all these, you know, all these wonderful people that help me, uh, uh, to, to find myself, uh, you know, are, are so inspiring.

So hopefully I can do the same and, and help other people to just, to just know themselves better. And that's it. So you don't need to know the universe. You don't know, need to, I think, I don't need to know about the fractals. I don't know about all the secrets of the universe. If I know myself, if I know my wounds, if I know my scars, if I know my dark side, my light side, my higher self, my shadows, like everything,

then the universe, as you said, like everybody is my reflection. And then after becoming empty, after becoming empty and nothing, then it's the time to create to just, you know, to be. to be to be empty and let the spirit shine through you and you know and do your job to humanity and enjoy it you know like find what you love and let it kills you what could be better than this you know that's so i never heard it said like that before that's beautiful just mic drop beautiful It's interesting when you say it like that. It reminds me quite often when you hear people or I'll interview writers or just spiritual people. And sometimes they'll tell me, a recent writer was telling me, and this happens a lot that when they sit down to write, it's not like they're writing. And this is for all creators, whether you're an architect, an engineer, you know, you're coding, your writing. But I would like to challenge people to sit down and quietly create something. and feel the creative spirit work through you.

And once you begin to establish and understand that relationship, you can begin to see it working more and more, clearer and clearer, finer and finer. And it's something that's really liberating because it takes away a lot of the negative emotions of guilt. It takes away the small-mindedness that can sometimes cloud our judgment and relationships. And it's an easy exercise, do some breathing and just feel the spirit. through you. And I know that that may sound a little hokey to some people, but it's, I promise you,

it's really worthwhile. And I, I challenge everybody to check out Dr. Jessica Rochester, check out, Chaheen, reach out, like, see what they're doing and find the divine spark in you that has inspired them and understand that everybody has it. And we're moving towards a better place and a better world and everybody's going to become a better version of themselves and try to rise above both joy and sorrow. Read some Sufi poetry, right? Like there's some of the greatest linguistic constructs in the history of mankind come from the idea of the Sufi romanticists.

And it's really beautiful. So, yeah. Right. Yeah. Like, like, imagine like the Rumi. You know, everybody talks about Rumi. But who enlightened Rumi? There was a guy from city Taboris, like his name is Shams, like which means son.

So he didn't even want the fame. So he just like enlightened Rumi and let him just take care of everything. And he just wanted to. And if you go and if you travel to Turkey, you see that the great temple for Rumi but no place for shams. Even like it happens to all the Sufis, they didn't want to even have a track of themselves. They just want to be like hidden. and hidden and hidden and just just like the spirit like the god like the you know just just nothing some some people like have this like also as you mentioned when you become conduit sometimes it's just you are surrendered like

you just you just let it let it you know flow through you so sometimes you can be someone which like inspire others but also you can you can also inspire others and be nothing, be just, just, don't fame and also, I don't know, wealth, and also just this spiritual story and spiritual game could be just nothing. So, like, you'll see that some, I don't know, like, some monks that stay in the core of, like, silence for years. So they don't really care about, you know, the story, sharing the story. But of course, I'm super, confident that they inspire lots of people that when they travel there you know they get you know inspired so that all being said as you mentioned it's just about being a conduit because being

empty and let the spirit yellow shines through you either you're Sufi or you know you're a Buddhist or you know Native American you're a shaman or whatever just the things and then the good thing is that in our modern life we have this opportunity to to explore this different concept this different path and it helped us do like this helped me to unbiased my beliefs to be to to try to be something beyond those beliefs of them yeah so that's that's something that I'm You know, it was really helpful for me to just see the like the roomies poem about the elephant in a dark room. Have you ever heard that story? I don't think I'm familiar with it.

Can you share it a little bit about it? So there was a, there was an elephant, right, in a dark room. And they ask blind people to come and touch it and explain what is the elephant look like. So again, getting back to our discussions about the higher demand. Oh, it's a really good to finish, right? It's just the higher dimensions, like we cannot understand it. But those blind people come and like touch what, like, you know, one person like touched the leg of the elephant. One like tail of the elephant, like a different part of this elephant.

And based of their experience, they shared, they shared like what the elephant look like. Oh, the elephant is like a column. Like it's just whatever. But they just, it was based of their perception. that they have this feeling. So imagine that when you have this opportunity to see the board through the eyes of the Sufis, or just through the eyes of the Buddha or like the Hindus or like Jesus consciousness or just shamans or anything, like seeing the spirit through different perspectives, it really helps you to be unbiased and be free and not even get trapped to those spiritual. egos and patterns and see that oh what is the like like the convergence of uh you know like the convergence of all these spiritual beliefs what what what with that point you know like that that that converged you know the thing i think that really uh that's something really holy and i and i love it and i'm

i'm super grateful that uh the spirit you know um uh put some people like Dr. Rochester and like Matthew Ledo and wonderful people like you in front of myself to always get inspired and improve myself. So thank you so much, George as well for having me here and just and, you know, and transmitting lots of like positive energy through those wonderful smiles and laughs. Yeah, I appreciate it. It's easy to do when you're constantly in a state of amazement and surround yourself with interesting people that care about you and want to help make the world better and are doing cool things themselves and seek to inspire.

And so, yeah, I'm really thankful for that. Hang on one second here. I'm going to close out with all of our guests, but I want to talk to you for a more minute. Ladies and gentlemen, please go down to the show notes. Check out Shahin. Check out our podcast. Reach out to the True Life podcast. And if you have any questions or comments, please leave them below.

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