TrueLife - Smoke, Storm, & Ceremony - The Rebirth of Heather Mack

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

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Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Heirous through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles, the track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Seraphini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Hey, there I hit the live button. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. Today we have a love letter from the earth, a hymn to the ones who remember. Remember? Some people don't walk into the room. They arrive like smoke from ancient incense, like the hush before a storm, like the rustle of bare feet across sacred soil. Heather is one of those people. You don't meet her. You recognize her. She's the scent of rain before it falls,

the stillness of a forest before it speaks, the warmth of sunlight filtered through the canopy of memory. Born into a world that taught her to obey, perform, and forget. Heather spent years inside the sleek machinery of modern life, suits, screams, stimulants, silent screams. But beneath the performance, there was a pulse, a drumbeat, a whisper in the roots. And when life cracked her open, when death brushed close and time stood still, she didn't just break. She bloomed. Heather turned toward the earth, not as a metaphor, but as a mother. She knelt in the medicine, listened to the rivers, let the vines pull memory from Romero. She shed the noise and remembered her name. Now she moves with a quiet fire, like some

who has sat in ceremony with herself a thousand times and come out each time more honest, more whole, more wildly human. Heather, thank you so much for being here today. How are you? I'm so good. Thank you so much for that beautiful. It makes me it's made me cry three times already. So thank you. Oh my god, that is so beautiful. You are so talented. Well you know what? I think that it's true. Like I recognize you. Like you and I met at the 216 event in Denver. And when we met like there was this aura about you. Like we all of a sudden we were like in this brilliant conversation about life and what's possible and I'm like I got to get to I got to get this girl on the podcast like she's doing great

she's doing amazing things so thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah that was such a beautiful drop in that we got to have and I was I you know the reflection I had from our conversation is I I got to witness your mind and your curiosity and I was like thinking of you know how beautiful that is in and your reflection. And it reminded me of like just staying curious about getting to know people. And, and yeah, so thank you for that reflection. It was really powerful. Yeah, no worries.

You know, we should talk a little bit about the 216 event and psychedelic playhouse and Jacob over there at 216 and Jennifer. Like all the people. They're like, what, how are you involved with District 216? Yeah, I got to know Jacob a couple years ago through another psychedelic connection here in L.A., so I'm in L.A. And we got to meet there. And then he invited me to come up and check out the space. And I've been able to attend and be able to participate and have a table at the marquee events. So I've been at two so far. And I'm actually really excited. I'm going to get to speak on a panel on August 6th coming up here into Wednesdays. So yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

Nice. I can't wait to learn more about it. It's so fascinating to see where, the world is moving. And when I see events like that, when I see what you're doing, like, I see the world evolving into more of like this edutainment. It seems like the world we've been living in is like this brittle chrysalis that we're beginning to break through and find our own way. Like just so much of what's going on out there. So much is available to you if you're willing to have the courage to get out there and try it. And that's kind of what I want to get into, Heather. Like you live this life that was, you know, you were part of the machine for a long time. And then something happened, man. Break it down for us.

Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, I was very blessed. And part of like my business is called divine gift. And the meaning and tension behind it is every conscious moment is our divine gift. So part of, you know, my gift was getting to have this lifelong experience of being part of the machine. You know, I had, you know, a beautiful upbringing in, you know, very conventional America with, you know, education through college. And I went to, in the working world. I was an accountant for many years, and then I transitioned over to something that I thought was going to be a little bit more fulfilling. I became a buyer for a large corporation here and kind of worked my way up the corporate ladder, but there was always that itch kind of like of curiosity, like this isn't for me. And I remember kind of daydreaming about an exit strategy, but I just couldn't find one. And it was through, you know, my dad's cancer diagnosis back in 2019, or actually it was 2020 that he was actually diagnosed. And I was, you know, watching his health deteriorary. And as I was witnessing that happening, I was starting to introspectively

look inwards about how my life was going and how I was kind of following the same trajectory of what I witnessed with my family and, you know, getting a little bit more inquisitive of, you know, how I'm spending my time here. So it actually brought me to psychedelics. So that, That was honestly like the catalyst to this whole journey. I had before I found psyched adults, I was on so many pharmaceuticals. I was on SSRIs. I was on multiple SSRIs, benzos. I was on things to help me sleep.

I mean, it was just a myriad of different pharmaceuticals just to help me get through the day. And I was also drinking heavily. And with, you know, learning a little bit about, it was psilocybin first that I learned about, I realized I needed to get off pharmaceuticals in order to accept. explore and then, you know, I started working with mushrooms first and then I kind of went down the rabbit hole. Now I'm like, I identify as a psychonaut now. I'm like so, so into psychedelics. It's like wild because I actually didn't do any psychedelics before 20. The first psychedelics was 2020 was the first time I explored. So for 2019, 2020 around that time. So yeah. Like what

But my experience has taught me, especially being in the world that we kind of both play in that sometimes around psychedelics, like there's this stigma of like, oh, you're just doing drugs to escape now. I'm like, what's wrong with you? Oh, you just quit? Like, you're not going to live this life anymore. Like, what's wrong with you? And it makes people really uncomfortable when you start making changes in your life, especially when you bring in psychedelics as a catalyst. Like, that really throws people for a loop. Has that been your experience?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I was totally ostracized by my family and friends. And totally. It was like, what are you doing? And honestly, I was just like starting to learn about more about spirituality and trusting and surrender and really what that meant. And I was following the guidance. It was actually through plant medicine through my first ayahuasca journey. She like walked me, the Grim Reaper was there walking me down a hall of shame of all my coworkers pointing and laughing at me. Like you were meant for so much more in this existence, but you chose the corporate life and yeah my first journey she showed me also a stadium of people and she's like you're meant

to help all these people with plant medicine she like showed me my path working with combo and and all my the things I get to share now so yeah and then I just kind of like followed that guidance and quit my job I love that paid off I mean honestly it's been the best decision I've ever made Okay, so this is a, like, this is the crux. Like, when you read through all the psychedelic literature, or you say you're started swimming in these circles, or you're still swimming in these different circles, like, that sounds crazy. Probably some of my listeners, like, you just quit your job.

Wait, wait, so you saw a vision of, like, death telling you, you're in a stadium, you're meant for more than this. Like, you, like, it's, it's sort of this, it seems like the path is, like, on both sides, like inspiration and desperation. But like that is a bold move to leave everything that you have. Like that's a lot. That's your identity. That's your friendship.

That's your family. Like how do you walk through that? Like was it just inspiration or I'm sure that there was some places along the way. We're like, am I doing the right thing? Oh my gosh. The whole time. I mean, still, not so much anymore, but it took years to finally like be okay with trusting the process of the way things were going. But yeah, in the beginning there was a lot of growing pains.

And that's one of the things. that like I'm very passionate about one of the things I do is I like bring conscious community together here in LA and we put on conscious community events called the conscious collective and I'm here to help support people and when they're going through their awakening journey a lot of the time this happens where people start to lose you know family friends people that are still you know in that mindset of like things have to be a certain way and I really want people to feel community and support in that journey when you're embarking on this new adventure of, you know, the true divinity of what this experience really is. So, yeah, I definitely, I mean, I felt it all.

Everything you named, I was right there in the thick of it. I, you know, it was really challenging and I questioned almost every day, what am I doing? But I, what I learned from many teachers early on in this journey was the idea of trusting yourself and trusting your intuition and trusting the guidance and I leaned so far into that. Like I like to tell people like when you take the trust fall, it's like jumping out of an airplane, you know, with no parachute, you just got to go. And like, that's what you got to do, you know, and really just trust the guidance because we are so divinely guided in this experience. If we really lean into it, it's, and it gets so much more magical the more you trust. Yeah. It's, I always think of the word awareness. Awareness and

initiation always come to mind because once you start becoming more aware of what is possible, once you start becoming aware of how much you can trust the world around you, how much you can trust yourself, all of a sudden that door is like, hey, this has always been here. How come I haven't walked through here yet? But when I say awareness, what comes to your mind? Yeah, I mean, awareness is honestly such a critical part of this journey is like, and the thing that I have learned through this journey of this embarking on self-discovery and self-realization is awareness is like the first step in order to like be like loving awareness to yourself and to the things around you and it's really interesting because it's counter what the Western world teaches us like we don't even

in our Western society the way we're programmed in the operating system we don't have space to have awareness like this is why so much disease and illness is place. our society today because there's no space for awareness. And awareness is the first step in this journey of being aware of why things are happening the way they do. What is what is the path showing you? So, you know, this is something we do a lot of work with the medicines I get to, you know, help people with and support people is, you know, we talk a lot about awareness and being aware of everything because everything is energy. So understanding how energy is, you know, living in you and creating your existence.

So we learn a lot about how to, you know, manipulate and change energy within. It's a brilliant answer. What about, like, what do you do when you become aware that maybe you're not with the right person? What do you do when you become aware that you're trapped at a job you hate? Right. What do you do? Well, you know, I think the thing, the thing like I like to teach people and what, like,

I really subscribe to is, you know, this idea. of self-inquiry of looking at like for me um i work with something called like patterns so like patterns of consciousness so we all have patterns within our consciousness that are like operating systems in our brain and i like to call it like it's like windows 95 software in like 2015 we have these like outdated program systems that never get upgraded and it's so funny because like you know we go in and we get our cars tuned up and we get you know these upgrades but our brains are running on old software and old patterns that are pretty outdated. So a lot of the work that we do with patterns is kind of looking at how these patterns are running our day-to-day lives. So there are

over 10 different patterns in how the consciousness works, but there's things like hiding and avoiding, polarized thinking, black and white thinking, and there's a myriad of them, but basically looking at them and understanding and stepping into the state of awareness, and then making change from that. So you can make updates to your software system so that they don't run the show anymore. Because once we start working on ourselves, it's like your energy field opens up completely

and you're not stuck in that old software system. So there's a lot more. That's kind of like the Cliff Notes version. But yeah, it's really fun. It makes me want to come and hang out at the Conscious Collective and be part of a group of people that are like-minded. Well done on that. Biggs.

It's such an honor to get to do these events. really it's so beautiful yeah it is and it seems contagious you know when i see some of these events and i've had the great fortune to go to quite a few of them there's something that happens it's it is contagious like you are the people you surround yourself with like you are that energy and if you can get some of that energy put into you all of a sudden it kind of starts spilling out and you start attracting these things in your life that you deserve totally and and i love that saying of like you are the five people you surround yourself with and this is something like i really encourage people to do like inventory of you know the people that are around you um and i i like to show like

there's like a frequency chart that um david r hawkins there's a book called the um my gosh i'm my gosh i'm looking at it right now letting go and he has a frequency chart of like the frequencies at each level so like you know um authenticity joy gratitude like these are all higher vibration and then there's like you know shame and grief and i like to have people evaluate after you spend time with somebody, where do you lie on the frequency chart? Because people are either going to raise your vibration or lower your vibration. And it's really, really imperative to be careful with your energy because this existence, as we know, is so short. We want to really utilize our energy for our highest good and for the good of all, because we're impacting everyone around us with our

energy field. So, yeah. Yeah, it's well said. Now, I have a first question coming in from the chat And they say, this one comes to us from Desiree. Desiree, I love you. You're an amazing woman. She says, what do you think is the most dangerous lie society tells us? Oh, my gosh. Thank you, Desiree. Thank you, Desiree.

What an awesome question. Oh, my God, I love this so much. It's funny. Like something came in right away, and I'm just going to trust it because it's the most dangerous lie, I think, is that. is that not to trust ourselves. We're programmed from the gecko to look outside of ourselves. From our school system, from our medical society, like everything in this, I dare I say indoctrination system we're in, it's like the answer is not within.

When in this journey in my last couple years of self-experation, we always know. The answer is always within. And that's what I get to do for myself. people I get to work with, I like to help them to learn how to trust yourself because it really liberates us, right? This is like, we're all meant to be free and sovereign and, you know, autonomous and how we experience this existence. And that's like now second nature for us. So we're like, we're getting to learn that. But what actually is our true, our true nature of who we are. You know, when you look, this is why we love children so much because they, they are sovereign and they are free.

So yeah, it's really beautiful. I think that the whole not trusting ourselves is one of the biggest lies for sure. Thank you, Desmond, that question. Yeah, absolutely. Who else do we have coming in here? Okay, this one comes to us from Ranga, from Toronto, and he says, what's one truth you were terrified to say out loud until you finally did? Oh my God. These are great questions.

I know. I got the best audience in the world. Thank you, Ranga. Thank you, Ranga. Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Oh, gosh. This is a tough one because, yeah, I'm going to just go straight for it, you know.

And this is like, this is just my truth. And like what I'm constantly working on is I've had a really tough journey in learning how to love myself. You know, I've been programmed from the gecko and God love my family. They're so incredibly, they're my greatest teachers on earth. But I've been programmed to really hate myself. to really dislike who I am and really be so, so hard on myself. And I'd say that's one of the things that's been, it's very liberating to share that, though, because it's like, again, awareness.

It's like I'm aware of that and I'm conscious of it. So that is my life's work is to learn how to love myself and give myself grace and give myself compassion and go easy on myself. So that's, yeah, that was such an awesome question. Thank you. Yeah, I echo that as well, Ranga. For me, I think it's when I have like such this, and I think a lot of people may have this. And if you're in the chat, chime in and let me know if you've ever experienced this, but it is like that negative self-talk.

When something goes wrong, you're like, I deserve that. You know what, I suck at this or excuse me. You start looking at where that inner dialogue comes from. And it seems to be generational patterns. When I start digging down in the ditch, I'm like, oh, this is the way I was talked to. Oh, this is not even my voice. is the voice of maybe my grandfather talking to my dad. I'm like, you know, when you begin to see it from that level, on some level it's overwhelming because you're like, oh my gosh, like it's always been going on.

How am I going to stop it? But the fact that you're aware of it and the fact that you can see it from like a third person point of view, I think becomes the catalyst to say, hey, wait a minute, let me start talking to myself a little bit differently. But it's really hard to say out loud because it feels on some level defeatist or it feels pathetic in some ways. Like you're just wallowing in this self, like destructive patterns. But it's really hard to say out loud and admit the things. But those are the things that are the things that are the catalyst for change and becoming a better person. What are your thoughts on that? Totally.

And what you hit on is like that's so beautiful and so true. Right. I would say the thing that's really coming up for me is in my journey of self-exploration, I think the non-identification to the mind and our thoughts is one of the most. critical steps in this journey is and what you just shared about a lot of this is like ancestral and like programming that's been passed down to us that even our you know parents don't even realize why it's happening there's this really beautiful story I don't know who's ever heard of this girl is cooking a Christmas ham and she goes and like cuts the both ends off

the ham and then goes and puts it in and her daughter asked mom why do you cut the ham the ends off the ham like that and she's like I don't know let me ask my mom And she calls the mom and the mom's like, yeah, we've always done it that way. I don't know. Let me ask my mom. And then she calls the grandmother. And the grandmother's like, oh, it was because the stove was too small. And we had to cut it to fit in the stove.

Like, they didn't know. They just kept doing it. And like, this is the story I love to share is like how much of our operating system is running on that same dialogue, right? That we just have no clue. We're just like, oh, it's just because that's the way we've been shown. And we just don't know. And the thing that you were sharing that really was coming through strong is the idea of like non-attachment too. Like not being attached to these ideas that we're having and just kind of looking at them from the observer and from the awareness standpoint of like, okay, so this might not be mine.

How can I make change from this? Because it's all a choice. Like we get to choose the things we attach, like the thoughts we attach ourselves to. So that's part of the fun that we get to look at with this work. It just underscores the beauty of storytelling and how transformative and how powerful the stories we not only tell ourselves, but we share with other people, can be liberating. And it brings me to one of my favorite topics, which is language. And for people that love psychedelics, there's all this nomenclature around psychedelics.

Like, oh, you're going to take a trip or you're going to get high. But when I think about that, I can't escape the parallels between taking a psychedelic. and taking an actual trip. And I know you have done both. Like you have recently, you have been on a really incredible tour where you've been sharing with lots of people, these incredible experiences, like taking a camel through the eye of the needle or checking out all these incredible places. But I'm curious, can you draw a parallel between taking a trip, like a psychedelic journey alone, and then taking a trip out to some of these places you've been doing? Yeah, that's such a rad question. Thank you. These questions are so cool.

I love talking to you, by the way. Thank you. I'm like, we can do this every day if you'd like. Right. Yeah, so I would say, you know, it's so beautiful because I, the thing I love to share about plant medicine and like all these different psychedelics we get to work with is they create the bridge, right? They show us the path. But in order for us to get over the bridge, we have to walk the path.

Like, or like there's the beautiful analogy of like, You know, they are the railing, but we have to walk up the steps. You know, like, we have to use. So for me, I would say, like, the real work lies, you know, in integration. And on my actual trips of, like, times, like, just very candidly, there were times on the trip where, like, you know, it was really challenging. So I got to travel to nine countries this year. I gifted myself four months of complete freedom. So it was my 40th birthday in April.

So I took four months and just let my. myself go wherever I wanted to. I let Spirit guide the trip and I started in India and I went to the Kumala and I got to jump in the Ganges River. It's this amazing. I don't know if you're familiar with the festival, but 450 million people go. And it only happens every 12 years and it's based on the way the planets are aligned. It amplifies the healing properties of the Ganges. So it is the theory is that it heals and purifies multiple lifetimes. of karma when you jump in the river during this time based on the planetary alignment. And the one that was happening this year in 2025 was the Mahakumela, which happens every 144 years. So it was

truly a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get to go and do that. And the point is I underwent quite a bit of challenges after that experience. And now I see why it all happened because that was part of my carmic contract because I got actually really sick right after it. And I went through a series of things. I'm in the midst of actually writing a book. So I'll be sharing more soon about it. But yeah. So the point is I underwent a series of challenges that were forcing me to like look at a lot of psychedelic journeys that I hadn't fully integrated. You know, things that I had been shown before, but I was still working through, like, the beautiful art of slowing down and listening to my body. I was making myself sick because I was running on the operating system of, like,

I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to travel like this again. Let's go to nine countries in four months. And, like, you know, that frequency of, like, my very first eye journey, another thing she showed me as the white rabbit of like, you're going to be late, you're going to be late, you know, like constantly in that frequency. And she's like, is that really how you want to show up in this existence? I'm like, no, of course not. But my operating system, that's how I run.

And I literally run, like, thinking like I'm not going to have an opportunity to do this again. And through my journey, I was like, oh, I can do this anytime. Really? Like, we all can do that anytime. It's like, so to answer your question, I don't even know if that answered your question, but I think, you know, the real work. lies in this 3D world. You know, we get to do these beautiful psychedelic journeys and go out there and in the cosmos and experience this quantum incredible healing experiences, but the real work lies

on the trip and being with yourself and integrating what you've learned. Yeah, it's so beautiful. I know that on a lot of the psychedelic journeys that I take, and for those listening, the way I usually take them is I'll take some pretty large doses. I like to microdose in between those large doses, but for me, it's the larger doses where I'm alone and I really have time to try to think about things. And I try to go in with intention and that works sometimes, but sometimes what happens is all of a sudden this thing that was in the back of your mind just pops up. And it translates to the real world trips that I take. Like in the psychedelic journey, I'll be thinking about or I'll see this crazy, you know, spiral or this incredible five-dimensional

object that I can't explain. And then I start thinking about connections. And then, I'll be having a conversation with my wife a couple days later. And I'll almost see that image again and I'll realize I need to connect here. You know, but I can't help escape the connections between the simulated journey or the psychedelic journey or the trips that I go on. You know, it's it's it's it's really like a. An otherworldly communication and I come up against the ineffable and stuff like that. But I really think there's there's there's real things that are happening between the psychedelic journey and the real life that you can integrate. And when you do so, it just makes a whole lot more sense.

Absolutely. And that's the real work in doing these experiences is like implementing what we're being shown. And it's almost like in every move and every choice we make, we're getting these little tests of things. It's like, did you learn the lesson? Or are we going to get the same lesson over again? So it's like we're constantly being reminded of things that are here for, it's all for our growth too. That's the thing that's really beautiful. That's part of the reason why my business is divine gift is like every conscious moment is our gift.

And it is an offering for us in our soul's evolution. So it's a matter of like if we're going to, you know, which choice we're going to make, which journey, which gift are we going to unwrap, you know. I do know. You know, it kind of brings up one issue that I kind of see happening in the world of psychedelics today is that it can be an escape. You know what I mean by that? Like if you look at Huxley's like Brave New World versus Huxley's book, the island. In Brave New World, people are using Soma to sort of escape and like, okay, I got to get

away from my life for a little bit. And that can be helpful. But at some point, it seems like a disassociative maybe actually prohibiting you from living your best life. And I don't know where that shakes out in the world of psychedelics, but I can imagine that it could be used that way. Do you see that aspect of it or do you think that we might be in danger in psychedelics? Or what can we do to make sure that everyone kind of stays on the right path there? Yeah, this is actually a really critical point. And this is something I like to share in any time I get to share, you know, in these experiences. It's like when you, when someone goes to sit in a psychedelic experience, and you mentioned it earlier, like intention is everything.

Like you really want to use these experiences like for your highest. Yeah. And using them with reverence and respect and honor and gratitude so that you are bringing that energy into the experience. And so that you are actually using this for your growth and not. using it as another disassociative, another experience, because it can become like that, right? Yeah, totally. Like back when I was, you know, using pharmaceuticals and alcohol, like, it was just like drinking

every day. I was like, oh, I had a tough day at work. I just got to have a glass wine. And then, oh, I deserve another one. You know, and these little lies we tell ourselves, and psychedelics, yes, can become the same thing. if you're not using them with reverence, with intention, with respect, with honor, and then also integrating what they're here to teach us,

because it can become just another band-aid, just like those other things are. And that's when it can become dangerous. And that's why I like to share about, you know, being very careful with who you're sitting with with these experiences, you know, because it is really beautiful to have these experiences, but doing it with, like, a trained professional can be very helpful. because I've learned through my journey, like being able to expand upon what you're experiencing in the journey, it's really amazing when you have a trained facilitator to help you understand what you're witnessing and what you're experiencing. So really vetting people before you sit with them,

like that's like the most important thing in this space is making sure that you're in trusted hands that are going to allow this experience to help change your life so that it doesn't become just another pharmaceutical alcohol type thing, you know. I do know. It brings up another flashpoint for me, though, because I have worked out so much of my own, like, just garbage, like stuff that I was operating on that was a false premise, and I, you know, I really worked through some deep things. And I did it primarily alone.

I don't know that that's the best way for people to do it, but in my, through my lens of experience, like going it alone has seemed to be really helpful for me. And then I talked, like, I'm so blessed to you to talk to really cool people like yourself and all these trained facilitators. And but the question always comes up for me. Like, what is a trained facilitator going to help you do? Like, they may be able to help guide you through some things. And I should clarify, if you're using psychedelics because you have like a real trauma, maybe you have an eating disorder or maybe you've lost a loved one or maybe there's a real trauma, maybe you're bipolar or something like that. Then I think that the road of seeking out a real profession.

is something you should do. But for the most, for most people, I think they can really benefit from a healthy dose of, holy shit, this is crazy. Like, how do I make sense of this? And like, that chaos is something that only you as an individual can solve. What does your take on going it alone versus seeing a facilitator? Yeah, that's a really great question. And honestly, like, I think it depends on the individual and what their experiences and where they're at in their journey, right? So somebody like you, George, you know, you know, were at a jump. that you could go at it alone. Like, and you have enough tools in your toolkit to understand how to, you know, integrate.

It's, you sound like you're really well read and you are like, yeah, you understand the psychedelic space. You understand. So like somebody like yourself, that's beautiful and that works for you. But like, I know myself when I started this journey, I couldn't go at it alone. Like I knew just because I was terrified to try psychedelics. And I didn't even like, because I was in the Nixon programming of like, this is your brain on drugs. Like, you know, the, I had that vision of the eggs.

And like, I was like, oh, my God, this is going to happen to me. And I'm going to be a mess. And I was in that indoctrination. So, like, I had to seek out support and helping me understand what was happening. And over the years, I've been so blessed to always find the right person at the right time to help me navigate whatever it was. you know, I had to work through. So I think it depends on the person. So again, like back to the question from Desiret earlier is like, what's the biggest

lie we've been told? It's like, trust yourself. You know, if you know that you can do this alone, go, do it, you know? But like if you're scared like I was, seek out a trained professional or support system because there's people out there that we're here. Like, I'm here for this. Like this is what I'm here to do is help people that are ready to explore themselves. and this is I do this like like you don't know me personally but 24 hours a day seven days a week

like I am in it um in this world so like I'm so dedicated to my growth to help support people that are ready to like dive in with me like I just got to do a little bit of personal growth work with a mentor around my like my mission and what I'm here to do and um and she asked me about like what type of clients I want to call in and I was like I want people that are ready to go balls deep I don't know how to say that, but. Yeah, of course. Like, I'm ready for people that really want to go deep within themselves because that's what I'm here for.

And I know there's a lot of people out there that are ready for that too. So, yeah, that's what I'm excited to share with people. Yeah, I'm a big fan of burning the bridges. I know that that's like, that's like, wait a minute, George. And I've burned some bridges I shouldn't have burned before. But on some level, it's that fear. Like you mentioned earlier that like you were scared out of your mind, you're frightened, you have this programming, but there's something in that fear.

Like there's something in the surrender to the chaos that allows you to be comfortable with who you are. Like it's such a pivotal part of it, right? Like that fear is so necessary. And I think it comes from respecting the medicine on some level. Like you should be afraid. Are you taking a giant dose? You should be very afraid because you don't know what's going to happen. Like that's normal.

It's healthy. But it's weird to say normal and healthy and be scared out of your mind to do. something. Yeah. And one of my teachers always say, like, there's no such thing as normal. Like, if somebody tells you, this is like, this is normal, this is, there's no such thing. Like, what, who is to say that this is normal or this is weird or this is, you know, like we, like these words we attach to things. They have like stigmas attached to it. Like, no, like really just like one of the things I like for people to really sit with is like feeling your feelings and feeling what's truly coming up. Because one of the things,

I like to share with people as like fear is false evidence appearing real. So we have these things and it's kind of back to what we were talking about earlier of these things that we've been told or taught or programmed with. And a lot of the time it's like when you ask questions like, well, why? Why do you feel that way? Why? You know, if we go down that rabbit hole, it's like, um, not sure, actually. Like we just pick up these things and then they become part of our identity.

and when you really break it down, it's like, oh, I don't have to think this one anymore or operate like this. Yeah, we're just cutting off both sides of the ham, right? Constantly, I mean. What about like the generational divide, Heather? So as an intelligent, powerful young woman who's turned 40, I'm coming up on 50. And I feel like we being in our age range, like we sit at the age range, like we sit at the this weird precipice where we have a view of the older generation and we also have a view of the younger generation and psychedelics seem to be this catalyst of like you know there seems to be this

pretty big generational divide that we're looking at right now how do you as someone that's a facilitator and works with psychedelic how do you bridge that gap and be sort of a mediator between the older generation and the younger generation yeah that's a really great question and one of the things i i witness with this is um so this is just what I've learned through my journey and people that are a little bit more experienced and have a little bit more life under their belt, it can be a little more challenging to be able to break through some of the patterns and the operating systems just because they're engraved in our default mode network and how we're operating. So a lot of the time when people are a little bit older, it takes a little bit more dedication and discipline in order. to start deep diving into their self-exploration work. So people like that, I really, like, encourage them to, like, go in and really do the work

and, like, spending the time on themselves where I notice younger generations, like, younger ages, they, I've known, I'm witnessing, like, they're coming in with, like, a lot less karma, a lot less, like, energetic baggage, it feels like. It's, like, there's a whole shift happening from generation to generation. but yeah I would say it takes like a little more discipline and I've been very blessed to be like in this part of the generational gap where I feel it's taken me a lot of dedication and discipline but I also know I have a lot more work to do and I say that as in like I want to help people that are older than me too that still have that work that they get to do in order to move

through. So, yeah, it's definitely very different, though. And it's a case by case. It's like, it's hard to say, though, because it's like every individual is so different, right? It's like there is the generational ties, but everybody has different motives and different experiences and different patterns. So case by case. I love it. I always geek out on these questions. Like I was talking to Gareth Moxie, who's like a really incredible practitioner in Iboga. And we were talking briefly about, you know, about what it means to be someone that provides medicine for other people. Someone else, I was talking to the Fishleys. If anybody's out there and wants to learn about Iboga, check out Gareth Moxie and the Fishleys. Like, they're really

incredible at what they do. Also, check out the Awake Network out with Lakshmi. They're really big on Iboga, and they're doing some really cool stuff. But one of the things that kind of came up for me was, you know, with this whole sort of psychedelic renaissance, there's, sort of a wave of facilitators coming out there. And one of the questions that I asked Gareth in the fisheries is like, how can I or someone, like I'm 50 and what about someone who's 60 or what about someone who's 40? Should they be going to someone who's 20? Like can someone who's a 20 year old facilitator really have the knowledge or the experience to help out someone older than them? I'm sure there are cases, but it seems like maybe we should be looking to find facilitators that have at least more

experience than us. What is your thoughts on that? That's a really good. great question. And, you know, my first instinct to answer that question is I do feel that everything is energy. And like I will hang my hat on that. And I do feel like I have so much to learn from the younger generation and people that are younger than me. I'm constantly, and it's about like sitting in the seat of, you know, what I was reflecting to you earlier of curiosity and like actually be. being, you know, a student to this experience. So it's like every single person in this journey can be a teacher for us. It's a matter of if we can like let go of the judgment, let go of the ego, let go.

Because we're here to like learn from one another. And if you are guided to somebody that is younger, like there's a very good chance. You're going to learn quite a bit. And it's based on your experience with them. And, yeah, you know, but yeah, I understand what you're saying, though, in terms of, like, experience and if they have the life, you know, to stack up and to be able to share with you. But there's a very good chance that they might have it in a different way, you know, and in a different experience. So, yeah, I think it varies. Yeah, it's really funny.

So much of the teaching seems to be in the CD. You notice that whole quote that says the teacher shows you're up in student, right? Yeah. So much of just the seeking, like doing the research. I'm like, what is this medicine? Or what is the benefit of doing it here versus doing there? Like so much of that research, I think, develops some to write fruit during the journey. But it's so much the sinking, I think, is a powerful part of the transformation.

Would you agree with that? Yeah, totally. Sorry, you were kind of breaking up there. but do you mind just saying the last part about that? I don't know if it was my end. Yeah, I think it might be my. That sounds a little better. So I have a little bit of static.

However, so much of the seeking, like the research you do before going somewhere to do a ceremony, the research you do before doing the ceremony with yourself, sourcing the medicine, sourcing the teacher, like so much of that seeking seems to be part of the journey. Yeah, and that's all part of the experience. And I would say, you know, kind of going back to the whole, like, trusting yourself and trusting the, you know, the guidance of where you're going. I think that's a big part of the experience. Because, you know, Terrence McKenna or I forget who says it, but there's like set and setting, right? Like everything is all about set and setting. So it's, you know, all the energy that goes into the, you know, all the energy that goes into. the experience will help, you know, either have an uplifting experience or you could potentially be shown, you know, I like to tell people, because I hear this a lot where people say, I had a bad trip. And I'm like, there's no such thing as a bad trip, honestly. And like, I'd like to ask people the question of like, well, what happened? And nine times out of 10, once they explained to me what it was, it was actually something in their subconscious that was

trying to come to light. And a lot of the time, it's anxiety. And it's stuff that were accumulated through our whole life. And the mushrooms or any psychedelics are here to show us what our biggest roadblocks are. And what are the things that are actually stopping us from our growth and our evolution? And we hold on to these, you know, the operating systems of not being able to, you know, understand how these things are running the entire show. So, yeah, there's that, there's a, a lot around that though. So it's a brilliant point. It's a brilliant point. We got to, I'm going to bring in some more people from the chat here. This one comes to us from Betsy. Betsy says, what role does psychedelics altered states or deep states of listening play in rewriting the future?

Oh. These questions are like 10 out of 10. So good. Thank you. Thank you, Betsy. Well, Betsy, I got to tell you a wild story that just happened to me that I'm still trying to integrate what just happened. But there's this trend going around on Instagram where if you take a red laser and point it at the wall and then you do DMT, you can see numbers and letters in the red laser. And I did it the other day and I saw the code. I was like, what is happening here? I don't I don't really understand. I can't really speak to what that was or what it is. I need to like investigate it.

I just wanted to try it. Yeah. So to answer Betsy's question, I mean, there's something that's really been sticking with me from that experience is there's this incredible person named Robert Edward Grant. Do you know him? I don't. Okay. So I'm speaking like very vaguely. because I also don't know a lot about him, but I do know that he's been studying human consciousness for very long time.

And he's created his own AI called the architect. And he's basically taken information that he's collected through his studies through the years of basically 5D intelligence. So like this fifth dimensional intelligence, which a lot of the time psychedelics can bring us to this space that exists. And it's available to all of us. And these psychedelics can help be a portal to bring us. to these places in an easier or a bridge or whatever we want to call it. And what I am wondering is, you know, people can do Akashic Records readings. And Akashic Records is that, you know, all this is written.

You know, everything this experience is all like information. And in 5D, there's no emotions or feelings like it's just all written, right? So a part of me was wondering if I was getting a glimpse into the 5D of like just this is all written. This is just like code and information. So, um, you know, I don't know how much because we have free will and choice, right? So this is like a paradox from me because I, I don't really understand. And this is so new that I'm just currently exploring it myself. And I love her question because I don't even know how to answer it. Um, like, I don't know. Like, why did I like, why did I just choose this past partner that like broke my heart and actually like, you know, or why did it like,

am I doing things that are hurting me? You know, it's like, but I guess it's part of my growth. I'm growing from these things. So, yeah, so I don't know. I love your question, Betsy, but I don't really know how to answer it. It's a deep one. You know what? Let me back up and talk about that experiment again,

because I've seen people that I've never done it myself, but I know Andrew Gilmore talks about it in his book, and I've seen some of the videos, and I've seen like the guy on Sykes Substances kind of talk about it. But what was that like for you? So DMT is a, it's rather quick, right? Like if you take a hit, like you have like a few minutes in this other state. Yeah. How are you able to not be just given up to the, the death by astonishment? Like so you, so you go into this realm and then you've got the laser right there. Can you run us through it and then tell us what you saw? Yeah. So I had the laser set up. I did it with a friend and we had the laser set up and we did it in a dark room. And, yeah, we, it took a couple rounds to get us into the frequency of, like, being able to fully, like, blast off and see it.

Because there was a first, like, two times I didn't really see anything. I was like, oh, no. And then I know, I was like, oh, it doesn't work. And then I was like, all right, let me try one more time. And I took, like, a bigger hit of the pen. and yeah, that was when, yeah, it was like a full surrender moment, actually. I think that was what it was, where I was able to, like, drop into the frequency and not let my mind trying to, like, make, manufacture it. This is the thing that I learned constantly.

And I have one, this tattoo and it's surrender on my wrist. So it's like, I can just remember to let go with the mind because our mind is what blocks us from these, like, you know, magical mystical. experiences. So I think it was when I was able to drop into the place of full surrender and just like, okay, if I see it, I see it. And then I saw. And so what happened was it was really short. It was only like, like probably less than a minute that I could see it. But it was like numbers and letters. And I was like far away from the laser. And I got up and like got close to the laser. And I tried to like, I was trying to like zoom into it. And as I got closer, it got further away.

So it was like, I couldn't actually like see what it was because I was like I wanted to read it. I was like, what is it? Or write down some of the numbers and letters that see if I can decode it. But as I got closer, I couldn't see anything. It was got further away. And then as I was like really close, it started to dissipate. I actually saw it like disintegrate and go back to the laser beam. So, yeah, it was wild.

You know, that sounds to me so much like. like on a high dose of maybe LSD or particularly mushrooms, like it comes in these waves and things are so clear, especially like the ideas. Like they become so clear, like you can reach out and touch them. And for a moment, the clarity is blinding and like, I got it. And then you try to remember it and you're like, I don't remember anything, you know? But that's what I think of when you say, I get close to it and it gets further away. Like it's so tricky. It's totally, I mean, that's what it is, right?

is right it's like this idea of like wanting to control things it's a metaphor for life right like we want to manipulate and control things and make it like like i wanted to decode i was like oh maybe i'll crack the code of this experience in these in these codes and then you know as i got closer it was like uh-uh girl you ain't get that it's like of course of course i love that like that that that hits home for me because maybe that is the maybe that's the teaching is like you don't get to control it like don't you see, you don't get to control it. The more you want to control it, the more it's like a fistful of sand. The tighter you grip, like the more the sand is spills through your hand. That's it. That's the key. That's it. Okay, this one comes to us. This one's coming into us from, who is this coming

from? I don't see a name on here. If this is your question, please put it in the chat. They say, if language itself is evolving, how do we speak love and truth in a world that doesn't yet have the words? Oh, I love that question so much. Oh my gosh. So I've actually, all right, I'll just, I'll tell you what's coming to mine. And it's pretty wild because I haven't shared this a lot. But I was in, I got to go to Egypt recently. And in my experience, I went into the pyramids in Giza.

And I got to do a meditation in one of the tombs. And when I was in this meditation, it was one of the most profound experiences in my life. It was like being in like a plant medicine experience itself. It was all this like information was pouring in. And one of the things that was coming through really strong that is a challenge with our society today is the idea of how our minds are getting in the way of the heart. So our heart has its own intelligence system. It has its own operating system that actually has information available to us. us, but the reason why our society is struggling so much today is because we're living so much

in the headspace. And they were showing me the ancient Egyptian civilizations, they lived in their heart space. And there's this beautiful painting. I think it's called Judgment Day. And it was when the ancient Egyptians were going to the afterlife, they would take the, they would actually take the brain and throw it out. And then they would take the heart and put it on a scale with a feather. And if the heart weighed more than the feather, then they would actually be eaten by one of, I forgot his name, but one of the gods, the deities that they believed in. And they wouldn't be able to go to the afterlife. So they believe that we carry energy in our heart. So like our heart holds, you know, grief and shame and all these things that we carry with us.

And part of our human experience is to not carry this energy, like making our heart light as a feather. So, like, literally, like, that's the painting. And it's so beautiful. And I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately in the idea of, you know, this, this idea of, like, how we're programmed to be, like, constantly thinking and, you know, evaluating and just in this, the brain space where, like, they threw the brain now because the brain was, like, kind of useless in the afterlife. And it's like, our heart was the most important organ in order to, like, transition. us forward. And to this question, I think the thing that I'm learning in my journey is like, how does my heart feel? Like, what is the heart telling us? Because the heart is where, you know, all of our intelligence and this is, like, I believe that this is what's taking us

forward in our journey. You know, this is, like, my belief is this isn't the end. You know, like we're going to reincarnate and come back. And there's true wisdom that we gain from these experiences and a lot of it is through our heart space. So, you know, the question was about language. So I think language actually is coming from the brain. So the words we choose and the things, a lot of the words we choose is basically just from also our programming and conditioning and the way we operate in this experience. Whereas the real truth is the energy and the feelings and the resonance, right? Like the energy you feel when you experience someone or you're with somebody or like these are all like way more important than the words that you hear, right? Because you,

we know this. Like when we talk to somebody, like they can say things and then, you know, you could leave feeling completely different than what the words that were exchanged were just because of the energy resonance from the experience. So I don't know. I think one of the things I'll also share about this is if it's okay, I don't know if we're okay. Yeah, please, absolutely. Because I also contemplate this quite a bit too. Do you know Dr. Zach Bush? I don't know him, no.

Oh, he's amazing. So he, I got to hear him speak last year, a year ago, last August, at a festival called Medicine Fest, which is the best festival on earth. And it's dedicated to like, it actually came through a vision. in ayahuasca, they wanted to bring people together in dedication to all of this that we're talking about medicine. And anyways, I got to hear him speak. And one of the things he's shared during the talk was about how thousands of years ago, us as human beings, we didn't have spoken word and that, you know, we all, we had telepathic communication and we actually spoke to the

animals and the trees in nature. And like, we were all in like one frequency of, you know, unity of like all understanding this experience together. And the thing that took us out of it was spoken word, like the fall of babble. And then when things changed over human evolutionary experience, it actually created divide. It created separation. And, you know, it's so fascinating to me when I think about how, you know, the spoken word can actually create more problems. for us than good when we're supposed to be here in gratitude, in reverence, in community with the earth, you know, we are part of the earth and all of these things. So I don't know.

I think I'm rambling now, but. No, it makes perfect sense. I'm with you. You know what I mean? I just fascinated. That's fascinating to me in that the spoken word is actually created more divisiveness than unity. And, yeah, I don't know.

I love it. And if I could pull on that thread a little bit further, like there's a great book by Julian James called the consciousness of the bicameral mind, I think it's called. I might not be exactly it. But if you just Google Julian James, you guys will see it's called the breakdown in the bicameral mind. And it talks about the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere. Also, Ian McGilchrist, if people are interested, he writes a book called the master of his emissary. And what he talks about is very similar to how you are breaking it down. Like the left hemisphere of the brain is like this analytical scalpel that just, doesn't,

dives in to like, what do they mean by that? Here's what that means. But it's so far removed from the right hemisphere or maybe the heart language that we're supposed to speak. Like, you know, that that language speaks in beautiful metaphors and analogies and it sees the big picture and it sees these giant concepts and it speaks back to the idea of awareness that we were talking about. When you do meet someone, like when we met the first time or other people that you and I have really aligned with, it's like, I get a sense of who they are. And it's more than words. It goes far beyond the language they're speaking. Like, I can feel it. I can be in their presence and I can feel something beautiful about it. Like, that is a language that we're not really too aware of. Yeah, we feel

it, but we don't really act on it as much as we should. Right. That's amazing. Yeah. Exactly. And that's the thing I think we're like starting to. Yes. We're starting to understand. And this is the part that it's like, I get like full goosebumps thinking about this. Like this is why we're here at this time is to witness the transformation of this happening on the planet right now. So one of my teachers says, you know, this is like we're witnessing a shift in human consciousness where it's the first time where they're actually, like we are changing on a DNA structural level of how things are changing. And you can either focus, it's like a baby is being born.

So you can eat their focus on the blood splattering everywhere of, you know, what they are showing us on the news and we could focus on the baby being born of like, wow, like, telepathic communication is real. Like energy resonance is real. Like all of these things that we're getting attuned to and remembering is like we're getting to witness like a huge shift in our experience. And it's really incredible that we get to be alive at this time and witness that happening.

So yeah, it's really fun. I want to talk about this, but I can't let the fact that you got to meditate in a pyramid escape me. Like that is freaking amazing. Can you walk us just a little bit more through that? Like, first of the whole change of landscape and you're at this, you're at this structure that's been built on like the 33rd parallel and so many people have gone there forever to find like the secrets and like, what was that like? It was so wild. Like I actually was told the first day I went there not to go inside because it was dangerous. And I was like, this is so weird. And I Actually, this is so this is how much I trust spirit and the guidance.

I left Egypt. I went back to Egypt because I got guidance. I needed to go inside the pyramids and meditate. Like some things happened. I met people. I met somebody when I was in Jordan. And she told me a story about, you know, spending time inside.

And I was like, it was so weird. They told me not to go inside. It was dangerous. And so I went back. And anyways, and this is. why I went back because it was honestly, it's really hard to even put into words how incredibly powerful it was to be inside of there. And one of the things they were showing me in my meditation is the pyramids are, they're like a battery pack for the earth. They're actually like energetic

charging stations for us. They actually like recharge our batteries and we're little batteries too. So like we're actually like, you know, positive negative energies that like, you know, work around and we bump it into each other, like, do we charge each other up or do we look at each other? You know, like, and like the, these, the energetic resonance of the pyramids are actually recharging stations. And, yeah, it was really profound to get to be in there and have that experience. And there was a lot of things that came through that I think if I shared, people would think I lost it.

But, yeah, there was stuff about aliens. I mean, it's all happening. it's all real and yeah I don't know it's really cool though it's awesome thank thank you for sharing now like I have never spoken to anybody that's had that experience and I probably many of my listeners haven't either so thank you for sharing that that's a beautiful opportunity and the fact that you went back and I could only imagine someone telling you not to do something is like a clearing call for you to do it I know it's so funny because I was like kicking myself afterwards because I was like of course like I wanted to go in. That was part of the intention. And then this tour guide was like, no, it's dangerous. You don't

want to go in there. It's claustrophobic and hot. And then I realized after that, like, they, they didn't want us to go in there because of the power of it. And I was like, oh, of course, I need to go back. So I'm so glad I did. I mean, it was a life changing experience to be in there for that. What? So it does sound like, they're like, hey, we don't want you to go in there. But was it an option? Like is it something that you're allowed to do, but you have to ask them to do? Yeah, and you just got to pay extra to go away more. It's not like a deal. It was just like, yeah, I don't know.

My own journey of like learning to trust myself. It was like a test, right? Like, do you trust yourself? And I was like, oh, no, this guy told me not to. And I didn't trust. And then, you know, I get that lesson almost every day. So I'm still learning. Yeah, it's like building a muscle.

It's like the more you start trusting yourself, the better the outcomes can really bring out what's supposed to come out for your ripening your consciousness. This one comes to us from Xavier. Xavier says, what's one thing you've done lately that brought your soul online again? Ooh, that's a great question, Xavier. My soul is like so online right now. I mean, I guess I don't know, let me think it would be a good answer because there's so many things.

Like I feel really, really alive. right now because I just got to do a festival this weekend and I had a table just sharing about all this stuff about like the conscious collective mostly but also about like the ceremonies I facilitated and that really like brings my soul alive getting to talk about these experiences and share with people um let me just see if there's anything else making my soul feel alive I mean honestly just I think like for me it's these moments of that I get tested to that are really important of like do I it's like every moment is a choice of like how we get to show up in this experience and one of the things also I learned from Dr. Zach Bush because he's done a lot of death doua's work too and he was

sharing that the number one thing when people die they say when they have like a near death experience and they come back is people say they feel like they were wearing a mask the whole time, that they were conforming to something else. And one of the things that I feel, and we've learned now that authenticity is the highest vibration and it's above love. So showing up as your most authentic self and being true to who you are, I think these are the moments that like my soul feels so online. You know, the idea of like, being. being who I am and being who I'm meant to be, like, those are the moments that really, like, feel liberating and freeing. And I feel so alive and lit up by that, being able to share that

with people. And it's been such an honor because my life in the way I get to experience this, this life right now is I find myself getting to do this like all the time. You know, this isn't who I was a couple, just a few years ago. And getting to be like a human permission slip for people to say like it's okay like trust yourself like it's okay like you know and honoring who you are and who you're meant to be because you're actually going to get so much more out of this experience if you just you know be who you want to be and then everybody else like gets to feel freedom just from you feeling freedom so um yeah i would say like you know just in being in that authentic frequency is really like the most liberating

and soul fulfilling experience. So this brings up another, are you okay on time, Heather? I've taken us over an hour. Okay, good. No, no, no, I'm good. Okay. So this brings up another question for me, like, being in the dark, being around the darkness. And for me, that's been around people I love dying.

Like, my wife has cancer. My son had passed away. And I know when I was reading some of your bio, you talk about your dad getting cancer. And I look at your journey. I'm like it like the older like it seems like the old Heather Mac died like the girl that was doing these different pills and like caught up in this this this race for external validation like and I think so many of us do but it seems to me it's these encounters with death being in your own life with people you love or being around it like it's those it's those that really ignite the fire for you to live and I was curious if you could maybe talk about what maybe why that is have you experienced that i know that your father had cancer like what is it about these real life end of the end of life experiences that allow us to live more free yeah um thank you for sharing that and um yeah it's it's been an interesting journey and definitely

um this whole death and rebirth thing and i actually i think the most transformative thing for me in this journey has, so my dad actually transitioned in 2023 and I got to be there with him while he was transitioning. And we were kind of expecting it, but it was a little sudden. He had a stroke and I got to be there like by his side while he was transitioning. And the thing that was really beautiful about that experience was, he was in a coma and he was completely out and he was just being kept alive by machines and he was like a vegetable and I got to ask for a moment alone with him and I got to share with him just basically how much I loved him and how much I forgave him because my dad was he loved the

bottle and he loved to take his aggression out on his kids and and you know I just let him know how much I forgave him and I didn't want him to carry that with him and wanted him to let it go. And while I was saying that to him, there was tears streaming down his eyes. And I was like, hmm, you know, and then it was really funny because he was on life support. And then, you know, we were making the decision. And he always said, you know, if this happened, he's like, don't keep me on machines. so I want to go. He was very, like, stoic like that.

And he is very stoic like that. And he, we went outside to talk to the doctors and said, you know, we made the decision. We're going to, like, let him, you know, pull the plugs and whatever. And then we went back in. It was just my mom, my brother and I. And we were standing there with him. And while we were there, he loved the Beatles. So we were singing.

the Beatles to him and while we were sitting there singing with him, he actually transitioned while we were there and we were like laughing because we were like, oh, he didn't want like anyone pulling the plug. He made the decision when it was time to go. And that was like his sense of humor. He was like, no one's going to do that. You know, he is just like an old stoic dude, you know? And the thing I like to share about this is being there and witnessing that experience with him was truly transformative for me. Because, you know, I had the idea that, like, death wasn't the end, but I was really, I've witnessed, especially since 2023.

I mean, my life, he left to, and he's come to me and told me this, he's guiding me. He's protecting me. He's with me, like, all the time. I have incredible little, like, reminders and signs that come up that he is with me. So in sharing that, it feels like, you know, in my journey, being there with my father. And then, you know, my father's passing has been one of the biggest blessings in my life. And seeing how, you know, death isn't the end. And the thing that's really beautiful in learning from that is that we have so much fear around death that, you know, it's the end and oh, my gosh.

And it's like, it's not really the end. And it's actually just like a beautiful transition point. And, you know, I don't know. It brings a lot of peace and solstice to my life, knowing that. And helping shift like the fear of death, I think, is a big transformational topic. Is when people can really, like, face their fear of death and transmute the energy, that can be a really big game changer. Man, that's such a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that with me and everybody else.

Like it's, and it brings up such a salient point. Like we all, this may sound cliche, like we all die, but how many people really live? And like that sounds to me like your story. And it's so many people we talk to. And I know that you have some friends that are death duos. And you hear this story about people just holding on to the anger or not forgiving. And trust me, I know. And I'm sure you do too. And so many of the lists. out here, Ranga, Desire, Betsy, everybody, Xavier, everybody. Like, it's so hard to forgive these sort of things that happen to you. Like, you just hold on to them. But the more you think about, like, why are you holding on to them? Because they allow you to feel something. But if you let them go, like, it frees up so much more.

I know it's easy to say, but it's a tough thing to do. And I need to work on being better at forgiving people before they transition. And I think more people could really benefit from that, right? And it seems like the next generation, like there's so many people we love. Like there's such a big class of the last generation that are getting close to the transition. And I think that's a lot of the anxiety where we were feeling in this world. If you look at the how many leaders are like in their 70s or 80s or heads of industry, like they're there's holding on without really getting to live with their family.

I don't know. Is that too deep? Is that too crazy? No, no. That actually like brought a tear to my. I thank you for that. And I think I'm like I'm working on too, you know? Like the forgiveness is like, there's a saying like, you know, forgiveness.

It's not forgiving the other person. It's like forgiving yourself. You know, like can we forgive ourselves for holding on? Because like, you know, the Buddha, I have like a little Buddha painting here. There's my little Buddha. And like one of the Buddha sayings I love is, you know, holding on to like anger or resentment is like holding on to a hot pole. We're just hurting ourselves. Right.

It's like, why? Like this is the energy that like it's inhibiting us. from life, you know, the experience that you're speaking to and being alive and feeling all of the the things we're here to do. Yeah, I really, I feel very, you know, passionate about, about that and myself, too. I'm working on it too. So I'm right there with you. It's part of the human experience. Yeah. I think that there's great promise for psychedelics and end of life. I was speaking with a doctor a while back and he told me that he was sitting with people that are in hospital, and terminal and they were given them some psilocybin and they were going through this process and

like they were holding on the life like i don't want to die i can't i didn't do all these things and they're from the people that i have spoken to or the biographies that i've read no one no one ever sits at the edge of their bed on their last few days and it's like i wish i would have put in more overtime i wish i would have done these other things it's always things like man i was a horrible brother i was a horrible father i was a horrible mother and like they're just hanging on to these things but how can you maybe that takes us back to the human heart weighing less than a feather. But like, what is your thoughts on the potential for psychedelics and end of life? Yeah, that's a really beautiful experience. And this is one of the things I think is one of the most important things that psychedelics are here

for us in helping us to experience the vastness of this life. So it's basically like a sacred mirror for us. and being able to see what is it that we get to look at within ourselves that could potentially be holding us back, or not allowing us to feel the expansiveness of this human experience and the vastness of the human consciousness and how we're all one and we're all connected and we're all like everything is destiny and everything is divine and honoring that and seeing it and witnessing it. I mean, these are all things that psychedelics really just like open the portal. Like I love to say it called psychedelics like a portal because it's like when you think about it, everything can be a portal, right? Just like drinking your morning tea.

You could literally like open a portal. Yeah. But, you know, the psychedelics are just like an extra beautiful avenue for that. And one of the things that you're so well read. You probably read this book. I'm reading this book right now, the immortality key. Yep. Oh my gosh, it's blowing my mind. Oh my gosh. So it's like these ancient civilizations and how psychedowns have been used forever. I mean, like all of them have been using psychedelics. Just like, of course this has been capitalized. Of course. Like the magic that is available to us and just like these little things that can really just expand your entire experience. And that's one of the things like I, heard over and over again at Maps was like, you know, people say, you know, of the top five things

of their life experience, some even more so than their childbirth is their psychedelic experience. It's like having those eye-opening expansive journeys is what, you know, helps you understand this human experience in such a beautiful way and a different way. And yeah, so it's really, really fun. I love it. Do you have any thoughts on the evolution of this psychedelic renaissance? I know that there's an argument between legalization and decriminalization or does this thing go back underground or does it expand into ideas that we can't even imagine yet? What are your thoughts on the future of this? Well, I think this precipice we're at right now with AI and what's happening

it's happening so fast. You see like even in the past couple months with what's happening with the AI thing, it's like there is no denying what's going to happen, right? Like there's no turning back now. Like the truth is being revealed. Like the veil is lifted and it's like, okay, this is the truth. So now I think like there's no turning back at this point. You know, I loved to think about the idea, you know, in the 16th and 70s when we were getting close to this renaissance that's now regenerated, now we're going to.

we're here again, but it's different. Like the manipulation and like the keeping us down and keeping the truth from us can't happen with the, with AI. It's like AI is actually a beautiful tool in sharing the truth now. Like I asked, I just was asking AI yesterday about some questions because I'm also really big into aboga. I love, I've done three aboga full doses and I microdose with it. I love it. But I was asking it some questions about, you know, the difference between the aboga bark and the total, the full alkaloids and I begin, like, the information that's in there. I'm like, thank God. Like, AI's got it. Like, it's in the collective consciousness. Like, there's no, there's no stopping what's going to happen with this. So.

Yeah. And I can't, there's a clear Ariadne thread that runs through psychedelics and AI. Like they're connected through language, through behavior, through initiation. They're just different wings of the same bird. I'm so bullish on how this thing comes together and rises like a phoenix from the ashes. Totally. And this is like the truth is we are at this precipice. We revealed in all departments and like how lucky are we to be alive at this time to witness the unveiling of what's about to happen? It's like, whoo. It's exciting.

It really is. It really is. Heather Mack, you are an amazing individual, a beautiful conversation list. And I'm so grateful that we got to meet and hang out. And this is going to be the first of many talks. And I'm really looking forward to developing a further relationship and exploring all the things you're doing. As we're landing the plane, though, I was hopeful that you could tell the listeners that are listening right now. Like, how can they become part of the conscious collective?

How can they subscribe to divine gift? Where can they find you? What do you got coming up if they want to talk to you? How do they do that? Oh, well, thank you so much for sharing. And thank you for listening. I'm so honored and grateful to get to share with your listeners about all the things that light me up. So, yeah, the Conscious Collective is our conscious community. We're here in LA and we have monthly gatherings. We have something called the Goddess Day. So we have our Goddess Empowerment Day coming up on August 3rd and Sherman Oaks, where we have women come together and share their gifts and their offerings. And we really have to support small business. So we have those once a month, and we also have co-ed events called Imagine, which are actually in my dad's honor. It's named after the John Lennon song, which was one of his favorites. And he actually came to me and gave me the idea for it after he transitioned.

So we've been doing those events for, we've had about like six of them, and they're incredible. We all sing Imagine together and we pray for world peace and we do a lot of inner peace work. So those are really incredible. We do those very often here in L.A. and yeah and then we also have like so if you sorry answer your question we go if you go in the conscious collective uh on instagram it's underscore underscore the conscious collective and then on my website divine gift at me there's a tab for events i think i think we have um the conscious collective under there i got to make sure but yeah and then on my divine gift i have all the offerings that i have with

ceremonies, you know, I facilitate with combo and a couple other medicines as well. And then, yeah, you can follow me. My Instagram is untethered Heather. And, yeah, I'm happy to keep in touch and continue the conversation. So thank you so much for having me. It's really an honor to be here. Thank you. It's an honor for me to be here as well.

To everybody within the sound of my voice, whether it's today, tomorrow, or five years from now, go down to the show notes and click on the links reach out to Heather she's doing incredible stuff it's it's incredible to talk to her she's there for people that want to learn more so please if you're listening to this go down and click on the show notes that's all we got for today thank you for everybody who's participating have a beautiful day Heather hang on briefly afterwards to everybody else that's all we got aloha thank you