TrueLife - The Psychedelic Roundtable - Influence

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

A Higher order of power, is a power that cannot be questioned. A coming Civil Rights movement? The Great Reset…as an asteroid impact?

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We got into some weeds last weekend. We talked about Kanye and Dr. King and Irving and doctors that are prescribing people's drugs. Today, it's kind of an open forum. I was thinking about the idea of influence for a while. Paul and I were talking last night a little bit about the way in which the world seems to be changing. I think we're moving into a new power dynamic. The way I see it is for so long we've been under this form of power that is very coercive. It's this idea of a power that comes in and says to you, look, you will be obedient to me.

And they show themselves like the state has a monopoly on violence. But that type of power isn't the highest form of power. The highest form of power is the power you don't ever see because the power that you can't see, you can't even question. So I'm just curious, Jason. I'm like, how do you, how do you see, when I say to you influence, what do you think of? Well, it got me, yeah, very interested. I looked it up. I was curious to the definition, right?

It's like when we say it. So I looked up, it says the capacity to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of someone or something or the effect itself. So this idea of, of, my mind. mind what's like social influencers right how like we we have this reality that people online could influence the masses but at the end of the day the social influencers feel like the puppets of the real power like they're all saying the same thing they're all saying buy this product do this thing like the influencers that are making now gobs of money like you can have a career on ticot and this is something that's being sold to this generation that you can have

have and weld influence to a point, right? As long as it's like paying, like there's money and you're basically this product. So you don't really have influence. You know, at the end of the day, like the thing you can't see is what's driving this whole reality. And that's where the influence truly lies. So we kind of have this bill of goods that been like sold to us. It's this lie. I don't know. What does that? What does that bring up? Yeah. It seems to me that, you know, it's just another form of subjugation. You know, and like, when you think of people as subjects, right?

Like, there was a time when, you know, you would look back at history in the Middle Ages and the king would look at the people like his subjects. And even though we live in a different type of government, it still seems to me like the people, it seems to we're moving from subjects to objects. You know, now we're like everyone's a number. With digitization comes a number. And when you give people numbers, you strip their humanity away from them. And that's what I'm talking about when you see this different type of influence. It's it's a more sinister type of influence. Because you're right, you can be a TikTok star. But for anybody who wants to be an influencer, go on LinkedIn and look at all the job postings. And it's people paying you to be a TikTok influencer. Even though you say you're an influencer, you're just. the puppet. You're just a person that's doing what they're told. You might as well be an employee working on the assembly line. It's the same thing. It's exactly the same, only different.

It is. I mean, it's, and I think that's the, the, the, the, the thing we got to begin calling out. Like, these people you're listening to that you think are giving you, again, the effect of character. Like, you should be this way, right? And again, all we see that the influencers really bring is some form of consumerism. That's, how you're influencing people. There's no, like, thought influencers in my, my, like, in the sense of like provoking. Because again, you know, not to bring up Kanye, but even now, let's talk Kyrie. Come on. Let's, let's drop the Kanye. Let's talk Kyrie. Right. The dude has a shit ton of money, a lot of quote unquote influence and says the wrong thing and starts getting canceled.

Right. And even to like his Instagram post that was, did you guys know what happened with Kyrie? Maybe fill everybody in. So basically. you know, Kyrie Irving player for the, the, the, um, the, um, and struggling to connect with this team. He went anti-vax. So he was one of the players that didn't play at all last year, because he never got vaccinated. And then this year, he shared something just recently that was somewhat anti-Semitic on some levels. And he got a five-game suspension. And so the NBA came down on him because of, again, hit whatever he was saying, again, does he truly have influence?

And then he gets in trouble. And then he has this Instagram posts of like his apology. But it was so fake. You could tell some PR company wrote it. And there was even like grammatical issues with it. So it made it seem like he typed it up on his phone. Like that's not influence. Like he doesn't really have influence.

He can't shape the character or development, you know, of someone else. Or maybe he does in the actions. I don't know. This is where it gets confusing. Like does he have influence by doing that stuff? or not because he's just being told he's a bad boy well he um so you got suspended without pay which is key because so many NBA guys get suspended with pay yeah and um and i do believe he played last year he just couldn't play in new jersey where it was required to be vaccinated to be

in a you know a public towards the end of the season he did play games that were that were away yeah and um but i mean karee geez man you know there's there's a another one. You know, it's kind of always been, you know, he's always kind of been, he's been a little bit controversial. It's been a little bit of a, you know, a, you know, a little goddess, little, what would you call him, a diva? But yeah, I mean, that guy, you know, that guy's going to get just launched right out of the NBA here real quick if he's not careful. For saying what he thinks is right or for being not a team player like i i think you can make it an argument for both for both right well i mean he almost blew up the nets right he you know he was like i want to be traded and i don't like my coach

you know and then kevin durand was the same thing because you know kairie wasn't there and it seemed wasn't going to be there and it was it was kind of back and forth between those guys i don't i don't really know the dynamics of their relationship but you know i mean beyond like what he's posting like kairi had already started off as being sort of a a toxic individual you know within the within the brand he was that way in cleveland you know um so i don't know i think his time is like his days in the NBA are numbered and if he keeps it up then you know he's going to get the call the colin cappernick treatment so this is the question of can you be an influence like i again i just pulled up his instagram page he's got 17.6 million followers

So he'd be in the upper echelon right of social influencers. Is he an influencer or is he simply in an annoyance and is not a team player and he's causing problems? I think both depending on who you ask. Yeah. I mean, to one class of people, he's a total nuisance. To another class, he's probably someone they look up to. Which class is bigger? Which class does he actually have influence with?

Is that like a young men wearing his jersey? or even Olderman wearing his jersey or, you know, I don't know. It seems odd to me. This is what I posed this question to Paul last night is that, you know, on some level, it seems. We are podcast right now, right? Yeah, we're live this time, Paul. Okay. I snuck it in on Paul last night.

So on some level, you know, it seems to me, could this be a civil rights movement? And let me try to build a foundation here. In my mind, you know, the proud boys, the BLM movement, the fascist movement, these are all groups that came up and then they were compromised. You know, Paul brought up the idea of Hoover and how you bring in the CIA or you bring in the FBI to these groups, you infiltrate them, and then you can control the behavior of those groups. It seems to me that what you could be seeing right now when you have Irving or Kyrie that has 17 million followers and Kanye that has 30 million followers. You know, imagine Kanye in a stadium with, I don't know, 100,000 people. Like that guy's got some influence. You know, when I think of someone in a stadium with a microphone and 100,000 people, it's not that much different than Dr. King giving a speech to a group.

of people. I guarantee the content is very different, but you do have sway over this group of people. If you're holding a mic and you're talking to 100,000 people, even a small percentage of people that believe in what you say can be dangerous. Woodstock 99 is the exact example of this. I just wanted to say. What happened? Well, it's the year, like, Woodstock totally crashed and burned. And it was like, remember, like, limp biscuit played nine inch nails, um, raging against the machine. They brought in all of this really angry music.

Corn. Corn was the, oh yeah, in corn's performance, again, these guys like put out incredible fucking performances, but I just got done watching the documentary on Netflix, breaking it down. And they basically took all of the things about Woodstock, and it was hosted on a military base. So it wasn't even like it was in the forest, like the previous ones. The only way they could feel like they could handle 200,000 people was on a military confines and they didn't let anybody bring in their food or own water they fucking charge them to

eat there for three days they had a wall built around the entire thing so you get this military industrial complex you build a roll around it you bring in 200,000 angry young men like so because that's who they fucking loved like limp biscuit right just thinking back to the dude like the ultimate fuck you kind of energy in a musician and that was just the the the the energy of the time. And man, when these guys like Limp Biscuit, if you go back and watch his performance, he was a conductor of 200,000 people.

He would just say jump and you would see these waves of kids just moving in unison. It was like ultimate control and power. So anyways. I'm pretty sure he said jump, jump, didn't he? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but you know, like if you handed that microphone to Kyrie Irving, you know, on a basketball court

and he started, you know, spewing about the shit that he's been spewing about. He's going to get booed because people aren't there to listen to, you know, to listen to, you know, Kyrie Irving talk about life. They're there to watch him play basketball. Whereas Dr. King would have rallies

and people showed up and everybody there, mostly, everybody there was there to hear the message, to hear what he had to say. So, yeah, Dr. King had large crowds of people who supported, reported his ideas, you know, thought that he was on the right track and wanted and wanted to be there to witness this guy speak. You know, Kyrie Irving, you know, I don't know, right?

You can have him a microphone, you know, no one's going to care. I don't think anybody But I think the thing that it's important about that, again, I'm not saying what Kyrie is saying right or wrong, but to George's point of a civil movement rising, I'll tell you there are definitely a certain number of people that would have said, who cares who's listening to Dr. King? They're not the same echelon as us. So is there a movement of people that we would say, who cares about what Kyrie's saying? And there's actually a new whatever rights movement. I don't want to call it a similar, but something that's in the, I don't know, that we're not paying attention to.

Well, I don't. Go ahead, Paul. Sorry. No, go ahead, Ben. I was going to say, you know, I think calling it a civil rights movement is probably a misnomer. I think it's probably more of a socioeconomic movement of people. And I think it's been a long time brewing. And I think it's really started brewing with the advent of the internet and all of us being, you know, starting to be connected to each other and being able to have these conversations.

And also, you know, all influence isn't created equal, right? So when you have, you have like a Kyrie Irving who's, you know, he's a basketball player. The platform is the NBA. The reason why he's getting shun for what he's saying is because the NBA is the platform that he's kind of, you know, putting his words out through. Right. And, you know, they're not going to allow that for a lot of different reasons. You know, it's just like Colin Kaepernick in the NFL. You know, that guy was one of the rising stars of the NFL, and then now he's not.

there's certain things that these organizations and institutions will allow within their confines. And there's, so, you know, there's a few things going on here. To your point, George, I think, yes, there is a movement group. Right. And I think that movement is just trying to find its legs currently. Yeah, I like that. I really do, I like it put better that way. I was going to go, you know, on some level, what I was going to say prior to that was,

we're one Floyd Mayweather away from there being all hell to pay. You know, like you've got Kanye that goes out and says these things. You got Urban that goes out and says these things. What happens if like Floyd Mayweather comes out and says it? Then you start to get this real thing. But I like, in some ways, look what Kanye was trying to do. And I really like the idea of the socioeconomic model. When Kanye comes out with White Lives Matter, it seems to me like,

he's trying to build a bridge between black people and white people. He's trying to build a bridge of people together. And I think it is a socioeconomic struggle. When you look at the cities that are having the toughest time, it is the cities that have the least amount of infrastructure in them. They have the least amount of infrastructure. They have the least amount in there. Or education.

But it's still the least. These places have the least. They have no opportunity. And when they have no chance for social mobility. And when there's no social mobility, you're going to see a lot of violence. You're going to see this thirst and this quest for breaking out of disaster. So I like the way you put that as socioeconomic.

Yeah, the problem is they got the wrong villain. Right. Yeah, in a sense, they do. And I think that's always been the goal of the villain is to make sure that nobody has eyes on them. Yeah. And that's why we have the divide and conquer, the Bredman Circus. That's why we have all of these, you know, dichotomies of media and news that, you know, propagandize everything. Because it removes the conversation from the actual real problem and the real villains in all of this.

All of this happened. Yeah. Maybe there's a conversation to be had. Maybe, maybe, you know, you see Kanye going on and talking to Lex or he's talking to different, you know, different people. maybe they can help point out the power structure that is the problem. Instead of Lex saying, just call him out by name. Maybe he could say, you know what? Maybe the problem is, Kanye, is nobody lives in the United States that you think they live in. We live in a total different power structure.

Instead of blaming this one group of people, we should blame this type of power structure. What's how, you know, maybe he could, I'm sure Lex is a pretty intelligent guy, and I'm sure that given the opportunity, he could explain that the world that most people think we live in is not the actual world that we live in. Like, you know, how much does your vote matter? How much does your senator vote what you think? How much are these lines being drawn around? You reflect what's going on.

How much of your money is getting sent to other countries? Like, all these things are causing the wrong culprit to be put, to have the spotlight on them. And maybe this is a way, maybe he comes out with a shirt that says Jewish life matters. And then maybe it says all three on there, you know, but maybe this is the way we get to the point we need to get to is it starts off like hey i want to fight this guy and you go wait a minute i don't want to fight this guy now we don't want to fight that guy we want to come together and fight this structure up here maybe this is the beginning of something that is is can be a movement for everybody that i don't think so well why not paul i mean because right now what the movement is with this

supposed movement is built on is is like super flimsy you know like you were talking about Dr. King. Let's talk about Dr. King. Like, Dr. King would point to things about, like, post-Civil War reconstruction and how it has negatively affected black people's lives. And these are things that are written down in paper and signed by powerful

people, right? Like, we can go to a library or we can go to the, you know, like the Library of Congress, and we can pull all those documents out and read them. You know, he talked about women's suffrage, not so much, but he did. And these are all things that were well documented, right

you know that whole movement the civil rights act and the voting rights act 1964 1965 Jim Crow laws which were actual laws

and so it was he just would just like look there's all this trash on the highway and we got to fix it we got to get all this trash off the highway so that we as a people can get to where we need to go and

and what Kanye and what Tyree Irving are talking about is a bunch of ridiculousness. Now, I'm not saying that there's not a power structure involved that, you know, that's been like a well-oiled machine and functioning for a very long time. And these guys

are finally just waking up to it. But it doesn't have anything to do with what they're pointing to. Right. And that's... So, therefore, it's fragile. Like, you can go ahead and keep talking about it, but anybody who has had any sort of discussions about any type of, you know, these types

of conspiracy theories about Jewish people will know that the conversation lasts about 10 minutes and then it just stops because there's really no evidence or any proof that anyone can fall back on and go, yeah, look, we got it right here. And so that to me, that's the problem.

You know, they've got to build their struggle on something real. And so far both of those guys are failing spectacularly to do so. Right, because they're not aware of the actual of what they're fighting against. You know, they're looking at the ghost in a mirror when, you know, all they have to do is

turn around and look at all puppet masters behind them. It's, you know, it's not, it's not any one group. It's not Jews. It's not white people. It's not any of this stuff. You know, it's old institutionalized money. It's money is where all of, you know, five. follow the money. And when you follow the money, you actually, you see where those power

structures are. And that's when you can begin to identify them. And then it's really interesting, something you brought up, Paul, is that Dr. King was highlighting those things. And when, you know, when we get to that point in the conversation today, that particular piece of the conversation is usurped by politicians. Because now it becomes the promise of politicians that's going to solve all of these problems. And so and then now look at just what the situation is. Now you have all of this rhetoric, all of this propaganda. Nothing's followed through because nothing's ever real in the sense that policy is going to be enacted because of these things because they don't actually determine policies. Policies determined by bureaucrats and lobbyists.

Oh, it sounds like what I said last night with freaking George. But yeah, I know I agree with you 100 100% man. You know, that's what it is. You know, I mean, and so, you know, there, in order for there to be something, some sort of movement, man, where the rubber meets the road, there's got to be a there. You know, there's got to be something there. Okay, well, let's, what, if there was a Dr. King today, what would he need to say in a speech in order to galvanize a movement? Anybody got any thoughts on that? If I did, I might become Dr. King. Here's your chance, man. Here's your chance. George, stop trying to get me fucking assassinated. Yeah, right. My best Dr. King now. You know, I can't do that.

Did you have a dream, Paul? Ben, I know you've been to the mountaintop. I have, but I'm not going to sit here and proclaim it right now. Like I said, I'm in no hurry to get assassinated, crucified, or any of the others. And I, you know, you know, there is a time and a place for this. And I think that time and a place is coming nearer. And I think as conversations like this begin to infiltrate the zeitgeist, there will be a rise of, you know, a new, not necessarily a Dr. King, but some sort of, you know, maybe a group of people who are speaking towards this. And I think we're going to see movements of, you know, parallel economies, parallel systems, parallel experiments.

Because we do have right now kind of the liberty and the ability to do that without, you know, everybody getting shot. Yeah, I think right now is such an amazing time because, you know, there is an opportunity for a unifier. They're even though people are shot down, not literally, but they're shot down with their ideas on all kinds of different platforms. I think the world or at least a lot of the world is ready to hear some sense. Like, you know, when the lies get so bad, when the corruption gets so bad that everywhere you look, you see holes in arguments, whether it's the Pfizer reports coming out, or whether it's this idea about a pipeline being blown up or there's this propaganda about nuclear war. When the lies become so thick, the truth is able to penetrate those thin veneers of lies. But I think that there is an opportunity right now. And I think everybody is feeling the same way.

I think everybody is feeling lied to. I think everybody is feeling vulnerable. I think everybody is tired of inflation. And these things that are being used to separate us are actually becoming the thing that unites us. So I think that there's a real opportunity there. Right. I would hesitate on everybody. But I would agree with you on the premise is that, you know, it is coming to a head. You know, we're reaching a precipice where there is, and we've talked a little bit about this. And I've said before is that we as a human population are drumming up some questions. And, you know, we're moving, you know, I don't think any one person could probably articulate exactly what those questions are. But I, you know, a lot of them are. what we talk about. They are these social economic things. They're the reason why Kanye's out there. They're the reason why Kyrie saying these things. There's, you know, they're the reason why people

are really upset. There's a reason why, you know, there's just a lack of faith in the systems that have existed for the past 250 years in this world. And I think as we get closer to that precipice, those questions will become much more clear. And the answer to those questions won't be able to be fulfilled by the power structures that are in place. Yeah, I often wonder when you look back at systems breaking down, a lot of times they fail spectacularly. And sometimes you need someone to take the fall when a system goes down. You look at the head, when a football team loses, they replace the head coach.

When a government, when a company fails, they get a new CEO. They don't really change the bones of it, but they change the face of it. And I'm wondering if what we're seeing here on Tuesday, this idea, idea of a face change, is it really going to solve anything or is it just this way to get rid of the head code? Is it just this way to get rid of the CEO and business as usual? What do you guys think? It's another iteration of bread and service. Yeah, it's, I wonder, sometimes words are just words, but sometimes words have power. And I think one word we could rally behind is this idea of justice. Like, why is, why does it

seem that there is no justice? Why does it seem that when you reach a certain threshold monetarily, you no longer face the same justice as someone down here. Regardless of your skin color, it comes to your bank account. And if you reach this sort of racial bank account, guess what? You now get to be in this type of justice. Your social credit score. Can I mean, that's, that's, okay, there you go. It's no longer about any of this other division. It's about your social credit score. And if you're, again, you can move up the layers of this power structure with the right social credit score. And I think on some levels, again, depending on whatever infrastructure replaces this, I feel like we're going to see a darker thing come before it fully breaks. Like as much as I would love to see revolution and all of a sudden we can like fix this shit, it seems like it needs to get darker.

It needs to get to a world that we kind of envision. And sometimes, again, I know I talk a lot about media and different films, but like, you think back to the Black Mirror series, did you guys watch any of those on Netflix? Like these really weird future dystopian perspectives, right? And sometimes I think media is a little bit of a script of like, this is, this is what could be coming. And to watch those with that eye and seeing like we're, there is a dark future that potentially is ahead. If we keep going down this path and it feels like we just do. like we keep going down this path of like more AI systems and this path of like deep fake technology these weird dark like robots carrying guns like I don't know like dark path there seems

to be manifesting I don't know Ben what do you think about that I yeah I think uh this whole thing gets a lot worse before it gets better and I think where it gets better is actually the people who are aware of what's coming down the pipeline uh and and establish themselves in these parallel systems. And I think that's when, you know, we're gonna see the erosions of nation states and the rise of, you know, the technocratic city states, if you will. And that's gonna be that dark dystopian kind of setting.

You know, there's a very interesting saying, science fiction predates science fact. You know, when kids grow up and they're looking at, you know, Star Trek and all of these stuff and communication devices, and Dick Tracy talking on his watch, fast forward, you know, 60 years, here we are. People have eyewatches. People have communication devices in their pocket.

You know, we're synthetically creating beef, you know, we're we have all of the mechanisms of what we were, you know, attributing to science fiction 50, 60 years ago. All of those implementations are, you know, at different degrees, now a part of our world. And I think if you take that kind of format and you apply it at a very broad level, just look at the past 20 years of media, of our science fiction, of our movies, of our things like this,

vastly dystopian. Yeah. Yeah, it reminds me of Orwell's book. And I want to, I want to bring this up because I think sometimes pointing out the pattern can help people avoid the pattern. So that's why I bring up this book.

We're talking science fiction. I'll bring up Orwell. And in Orwell, they talked about Newspeak. And Newspeak was a way of supplanting old speak. And what they were trying to do was get rid of words so that you could no longer think of things. If you can't think of revolution, how could you have it? But what we're seeing today, in my opinion, is the opposite of that way. You're seeing this excess of freedom.

Like, there's so many words. They're multiplying all of them. And so... I disagree with that completely. Well, hang on, let me finish. Okay, okay. Maybe I'll change your mind. What I mean by multiplying of this, not only are we coming up with new words, but we're coming up with new definitions for old words.

So you'll have the same word that may mean five different things. And that does the same thing as Newspeak, right? Newspeak was to supplant old speak. It was to supplant the ideas. So now if I talk to a younger guy, I could use the word fag or a different word that would mean something different. to me, they mean something different to them. And they may get offended or something like that.

But it's the same word, but it has a complete different meaning to it. So it's like it's almost like they're hijacking our freedom to define things. They're using this. We thought, or at least I thought it would be this constrict, this loss of freedom. But it seems like freedom has been hijacked.

Oh, you can choose to be whatever you want to be. You could be a furry. You could be this. So it seems like they took the, they faked right and went left on it. What do you guys think? I still kind of disagree.

I think, well, when you have the newspeak, all of a sudden we have this newfangled term, misinformation. You didn't hear misinformation for a lot, you know, before five, six, seven, eight years ago. And all of a sudden, you can't go through any website without seeing misinformation. There's ministries of misinformation. There's, you know, there's all of these different agencies that are now trying to control speech. and I think the illusion of freedom is present with, you know, what you're talking about and all I can choose my identity. It's an illusion of freedom because you can't choose your gender. I'm sorry.

You know, you were, you were born a guy or girl. There are a few cases of hermaphrodites and things like that, but they're very small. You know, now you can choose how you want to express yourself in life. And, you know, and again, I think that is. kind of an illusion of freedom now too, because by having that freedom, so to speak, you are naturally limiting everybody else's freedom of choice, their freedom of expression, because if I don't want to call you a furry, George, now all of a sudden I'm an evil guy, right? And, you know, I said something wrong, and all of a sudden you're offended. This isn't a

safe space anymore. You know, I agree. Isn't it, isn't it weird that in 1984, they had that moment of hate. And you know, you know, do you remember the name of the guy they hated? His name was Emmanuel Goldstein. That's right. Sounds a lot. Way to go, George Orwell. You know, it's pretty interesting to think about. Well, and I think I agree with Ben.

I think that this premise that we hold all these freedoms and we have all these ways of the freedom of expressing ourselves and that everything has shifted into your expression and how you express yourself online. And again, within all of that, there is a constriction. And it's, it's this, like, we don't have freedom. We don't have this idea of pure liberty, you know, to go out there and say, say the things that you want to say. And again, because there's just been this constriction. So it's, to me, at the end of the day, we are living in New Speak. Like, I was, I was listening. to an astrologer that I really respect.

He was going deep on Nositamus. If you want to go deep on like prophecies in astrology, this dude is like on a different level. So anyways, he was talking about though like right now in astrology, they're like the new astrologers, like the TikTok astrologers are like changing the names, the meanings of the celestial spiritual bodies.

And they're now changing it even to like an LGBTQ like they, them and he's like you can't fuck with celestial bodies you can't say that you know mars carries this they energy mars is the masculine energy you can't fuck with that shit but they are and that's new speak it's changing the way that we think about stuff and then telling us that like this is your this is going to help you shape your reality because our words are powerful they do create and so when we're we have to pay attention to what we can and cannot say And that's what I always think back to like influencers, regardless of who they are, their personalities or whatever, when they start getting in fire from the authorities,

what are they like, why? Like, why is that like, you know, is that worth paying attention to? Is newspeak shaping that in some way, shape, or form that I need to be paying attention to? Yeah, sometimes I think the repercussions of what happens to somebody is where the real message is. Yeah. Right? Absolutely. You know, I, it seems to me too that, you know, and for people who may have gone to Asia and may have a better understanding,

I would love to get anybody's perspective on that. You know, it seems to me that there's this idea of discipline or like the social credit score is a form, it's like a soft tyranny. It's like a form of discipline. Like, okay, you didn't say that right. you can't have that. It's like you take away things. You're not really punishing people. You're just slowly taking away their ability to be who they are. And in doing so, you're shaping who they are. It's almost more violent, but it's much more subtle like that. And I see that same system,

the social credit score creeping in here. How does that get sold to us? Is that like, does that get sold to us in the idea of like, look, we're all the same people. So we're going to have this new social score, you know, we don't need borders. We have the social credit score. The social credit score is the border. Is that the way it's being sold to us? Or what do you, what are your thoughts on that? I think it'll be sold to us with, again, sheep, it's always about a wolf and a sheep's clothing. So the way it'll show up, it'll be like, oh, this is the right, like, this is the right way. That's how you move people into an egreged social credit score level is because they've bought into energetically the right way. Like that's what they're shifting their

energy to. So they're all agreeing. Like enough people have to agree that for you to be a five star person is going to require X, Y, and Z. And so then they're going to shift and make sure that, you know, that's, everybody has to have that be their same premise. Because otherwise the social credit score doesn't work. And I think that's what we've seen in this division of the last, you know, you look at racism, you look at abortion, you look at the vaccination, you look at all these things, and they're creating the foundation of social credit. Because what you agree, if you agree with the narrative, then you have social credit. If you disagree with the narrative, you're lowering your social credit.

So they're going to bring it to us by these things that are appearing very good, and we should all be getting the vaccination, and this is for everyone. And, you know, this like, you know, black lives do matter. And so, like, again, these things that we all can believe in socially, and then that's where they freaking still still it all away. All the freedom. Yeah, there is, there is a, you know, if you play along with the narrative, you seem to kind of fail up in this world. And that's been true for a long time. But now it's becoming more true on, you know, a broader scale.

And I think where you actually see the implementation of a social credit system come in is because you're, you know, well, you already have the World Economic Forum's talking about a great reset. You'll have nothing and you'll like it. And I think what we're going to see coming down the pike is in your massive city centers where you have 12, 18 million people, you know, it's going to become untenable to live in those places. And when it does, all of a sudden, this universal basic income is going to come and save everybody. But guess what? In order to get your universal basic income, you have to sign up for the app. What's the app? It's the social credit app. And if you and you're going to, and it's going to be enticing, right? It's going to be not only do you get three, four,

five thousand dollars a month, you also get your rent taken care of and you get your groceries taken care of and you have all this money to just go have leisure time and enjoy yourself. And through that, you know, the removal of property rights will happen. The gradual erosion and freedoms will continue to, you know, progress. And I think that's kind of how they implement that system going forward. I think we just wrote maybe an outline of a new sci-fi book. Like, let's go play in that world, man. Like, because yeah, I could see it.

I feel that same like energy that they just keep kind of putting us. Like you see that like I think it's in either Saudi Arabia or Dubai, but they're building like that four mile long enclosure. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia. Yeah, right? And think about that. Like, like, where do they say, like over 50 million or 500 million people could live there? Something crazy. So like everybody lives in this container. And what does that world look like? And again, you see these things. What's that? Judge Dredd, that's what it looks like. Yeah. It's and and and then you start thinking too like how they're, you know, the narrative again is starting to really demonize nature. Right. Demonize the sun. Demonize. Demonize the sun. Demonize. eating meat, demonize these things in exchange for the stuff that we can produce for you and the stuff that like, right? And again, I'll tell you, like, I was, I went plant based for three years.

And I was like, I needed a shift. And I kind of went down the rabbit hole a little bit of like not eating meat and and kind of this thing. And it's been interesting because over the last eight months, I reintroduced meat to my diet. And I started to see some of the lies that like, tell like again, the craziness that the cows and their methane are fucking up our environment, like, okay, really? Like, that's bullshit. Like, yes, is the sourcing of our meat really important? That changed for me, 100%. Like being more mindful of the meat that I eat, but also realizing, like, it's just an interesting way. They're demonizing nature. They're taking away these things that, that those of us that stay awake to it are like, the whole world is out there for you. You don't

have to play in this world anymore. Like you can, and again, that's where you, you're going to start seeing parallel economies, right? Hey, guys, you don't have to play that game. We're going to go play the Mr. Wizard game because that's far better for us. And so, yes, we're going to sacrifice our consumerism. We may not have as many luxuries, but we're free and we can be ourselves, right? I mean, is that the idea of parallel economies? Right.

And it's also, you know, that's just a temporary, you know, that's the transition, transitional period. Right. You know, an interesting thing I just saw today, El Salvador, right? right? They adopted Bitcoin as a national currency, you know, those eight months ago or something like that. They just released like their nationals, or maybe it was a year ago, because they just released their stats. Crime had dropped like 95% in many places. Tourism was up 50%. You know, everything was up and everything that was bad was down.

And this is El Salvador. I've been to El Salvador when it was El Salvador. And it was a pretty hairy place. but everything I'm hearing is, you know, a lot of good stuff coming out of there because you into what George talks about, they gave opportunity back to the people. And so no longer did they have to resort to gangsters and violence and all of these because they had no choice. Now all of a sudden they got a little bit more choice of freedom of choice in the world. And through that parallel economy, it's risen all of those ships with that time. but I love how like you see you know in the last year bit has crashed right the whole narrative like the building a bit where we were you know eight months ago when it was at some of its new highs

and then it's interesting like the shift and then everything crashed around it and this narrative that El Salvador is in chaos like if you see it in the mainstream media it's like Bitcoin didn't work exactly right it's it's interesting like at what point yeah in Bitcoin and you know Bitcoin didn't crash. It didn't hit zero, right? It just went from 60,000 to 20,000. Right. But, uh, 12, when did I get into it? 20, 2012, it started at zero. Yeah. You know, I bought my first Bitcoin for 180 bucks after it went up to $1,200 and crashed down to $100 and people are like, ah, see, internet money. It doesn't work. And then I was like, wait a second, let me go look at this. Because I had heard about it before when it first started. And then, like,

I saw that rise and I was like, damn, I should have did that. And I saw the fall. And then I was like, well, let me go take a second look at this. And, you know, and then it was all, then I realized what the potential was. And then I was like, aha, here we go. And this is, and, you know, back when people were starting that, everybody was super anonymous. Because the idea was everybody who was aware of the implications of what this could mean was like, wow, the people who have power and authority in this world. they know this, they're going to kill everybody.

Because it's that, it's that, it was that game changing. It just, it's a revolutionary shift because it takes the cost of trust in the world and reduces it to the cost of electricity. Now, if you think about the cost of trust in the world, you know, institutions, banks, lawyers, notaries, all of these things, you have this massive overhead. And not only that, you have the gatekeepers, barriers of entry to business and all these other things. This democratizes it all. And that's where these parallel economies are going to rise.

And then that transitionary period where, yeah, you're not going to have as much amenities will completely shift to these are where the places of abundance are going to be found. Yeah, in some ways, maybe that's what all the panic is about. when we look at, when you look at the World Economic Forum and they're like, we've got to step up our agenda. That seems like panic to me. You know, when you hear the outlandishness, like, we're all going to die of a nuclear war. That seems like panic to me. And when you start seeing the, you know, when you look through the window of the internet and you see this chaos, but then you look outside your living room window and there's kids playing on skateboards.

And, you know, you're like, yeah, it looks pretty nice out there. I don't know what these people are talking about. Then you look back at the window of the internet. Everyone's dying and you look back out your window and the trees blowing and, you know, what's the true picture of what's really happening in the world? Maybe this is what freedom looks like. Maybe the people that have had a firm grasp on power are getting buttery fingers, you know, and they're starting to see that the ways in which they've ruled the world no longer work,

whether it's by hook or crook, it's not working and they're getting nervous. They're getting scared. and when you back someone into a corner what do they do they come out swinging i think i think it's interesting ben that you brought and and also kind of going back to what you're saying earlier george about like kind of who what is the catalyzing movement of this revolution right what is this thing what is this this movement really begin to look like and i feel like ben the the idea that you know what bit introduced 10 years ago as it came online it was the beginning of a revolution and we so often think of revolutions in you know um months or events right like we think about the movement

of dr king and we look at it from the perspective of events we don't think about it in the timeline the eight years right of the decade of work and whatnot that he had to go through and so you know when we think about the revolution a bit like we it's not done it isn't even really like has it even started really so yeah and then there's ways to measure that actually so you know you can you can you can measure it via market penetration. And you know, you're a marketing guy. You've probably heard of S-curve economics, right? So whenever a product comes to fruition, it takes X amount of time to get to about 10% market penetration. And then it used to be in the same time, it would go up to about 90% market penetration and then kind of level out. Now it's that time frame is actually a little bit

reduced. So now it's actually more rapid. Well, Bitcoin probably hit about 10% market penetration maybe right before COVID kicked off. And then so, you know, COVID being what it was, kind of stalled everything a little bit. But now you're seeing, you know, then you had in that, the midst of that, then you have the things like El Salvador adopting it as a national currency. And you're going to, we're going to see a wave of, and it's, it is not necessarily going to be Bitcoin per se, but it's going to be cryptocurrency slash blockchain technology as kind of the foundation of these things because it allows us to utilize technology to enable the individual. Did Ben just say that the government release the virus as a way to slow down?

No, no, no, no. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm trying not to get assassinated. Shut. What can you can't again, not say? Right? But it's interesting to think about and to see that movement and to see those things. And again, hindsight, like, as we're thinking about, again, the stuff that we're hearing, like hindsight is 2020, right?

And it's a bitch at the end of the day. So we can say these things, but I feel like we can look at history and we have the gift of hindsight. And we have to realize in the moment, we can't judge. Right. Again, to your point, Ben, there's no absolutes. Like, is what's being said? like how do we again take that perspective and apply it as like are we on the right side or on the wrong side of this thinking here and again instead of picking aside how do we elevate into that

no absolute you know kind of non-duilistic perspective with these uh controversial figures like kairi and and conier like how do we look at them from a different angle than the this or that type of energy that we're put into right now. You know, I've noticed something happening in society. And I think it speaks well to what you said, Jay. Like, when we think about the way the world has worked for so long, you know, it was like, you had to be part of a team. You had to be part of an organization.

It wasn't really what you know. It was who you know. You had to be part of this structure, yeah, to blow up, right? But now, like, when I look at the internet and I see, my daughter watches this kid called Ryan's World. And like, here's a lady that just had her kid on TV. And then boom, they blew up. And it's, you know, if you look at each individual like a popcorn kernel, it seems like what's happening is individuals are blowing up. Boom, boom, boom.

Like you no longer need a huge structure for one person to blow up. You don't need the entire tribe to blow up one person. Now the individual is becoming their own popcorn. And it's happening slow, just like a popcorn machine. Like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. There's all these small people that are like, dude, who's that guy? Where'd that guy come from? Look at this influencer.

Who's this guy? Like, all of a sudden, like, you're seeing this explosion of individuals becoming the thing. And I, like, I see the society changing like that. And maybe that's upon all of us to become our own popcorn. And I think we are. Like, we're all beginning to blow up. in our own way. And it's like we're finally have found the place where we can become this thing

without needing a government behind us, without needing a huge team behind this. What do you guys think about that? I'm going to remain a colonel. Colonel of Powell. Not if I have anything to say about it. Paul's not making this transition, guys. I disagree.

I think Paul's already made a huge transition. I was going to say he's probably already popped. Yeah, you sit on this podcast. No, and, you know, this is, I've been, I've been, you know, I've been thinking about this for a long time and talked a little bit about the Terry Leader project. But this is kind of the underlying premise is, you know, when you can enable the individual to actually just, you know, be fruitful, multiply, and live from a point of abundance. And also give them a voice in the, the ongoings of the, the, the ongoingings of the. the system. Now all of a sudden, that's what changes the system. That's what that's the shift in society that personally, I think we need because, you know, these archaic structures obviously are

not working for everybody. If they were, you know, we wouldn't have billions of people in poverty. We wouldn't have the richest people raping resources at every single step of the journey. you know, it would be a very different dichotomy that would occur. And I think that's, I think that's what we're moving to as a populace, as just a global, not even a society, but just a global population. In some places, more so than others, obviously. Yeah, it's fascinating to think about the, you know, I think it was Rockefeller who said competition is a sin.

And it's like how long can that model hold? Like think about how weak something gets when you don't allow for competition. Like, you know, if you don't allow for competition, then the one who's the leader becomes old and feeble. And the emperor has no clothes. Pretty soon some kid comes up and it just blows them out of the water. I listened to a Elon Musk today. He was being interviewed by like Barons or something like that. And it was an odd interview.

But some of the stuff he said in there blew my mind. One of the questions was, you know, Elon, you have SpaceX and, you know, you're able to build these rockets and these launch pads that while they cost maybe $10 billion, you know, companies like Lockheed Martin, you know, they want to build a launch pad. It takes them 50 years and they started at 10 billion, but now it's at 50 billion. You did it in a year with 10 billion. Why do you think that is? And he's just like, well, I already have enough people that want to kill me. you know, so I think I'll watch what I'm saying here. But the truth is, like, you know, maybe they're not doing,

maybe they're really not trying that hard, you know, and they said the same thing about Tesla. He goes, you know, when you began building Teslas, you know, you were able to come in and build 20 million cars in X amount of time. Like, how did you do that? And he goes, well, it turns out the majority of parts on cars are pointless. He's like, we can just, we have casts. We don't need all these parts.

We just put them in a cast and we stick them together. He goes, it's so interesting to. me because, you know, I'm going through the floor and I'm looking at all these things and we have these problems with engineering. And I asked my engineers, why are we backed up on this rod right here? What does it do? And they're like, we don't know. We don't really think it does anything. And he goes, well, let's pull it out. Turns out that rod that was there didn't do anything of significance, you know? And so it's like, that's what I mean when there's no competition, nothing ever gets better. The way we've been manufacturing garbage is just been the guys at the top, like,

We got it covered. We're not going to fix anything. We don't want any competition. We're making all the money. It's fine. We don't need to move forward. We don't need disruption. Disruption's a problem for us.

But that makes it so easy for disruption. And that's kind of where we're at too today, it seems like. I would agree. Well said. You know, it's interesting because there was a point in this country where we realized that as a nation. You know, we had the anti-monopoly laws, right?

We broke up Bell South. We broke up parts of Microsoft. And then, you know, as soon as a few laws changed and as soon as a few more lobbyists got their little grubby fingers around politicians all of a sudden that got revoked in the obamma days and here we are where where things are now monopolistic again you know you have the amazons you do that basically own everything they keep buying you have google you have all these things where they wouldn't be allowed to function under those laws so we at one point we

we did realize it. And then the power structures that were in place probably saw a declination in their bottom line and realized, hey, we could do something about this. Why don't we do something about this? Well, I feel like on some levels, even that quote is a form of new speak, right? Getting it into people's ideas of this, like the, the, the basically the autocratic perspective of like what we live in and under right now is that, at the end of the day the money the power structures are not the government right it's the fact that like it's all these corporations that we look like competitors but like i just saw today like apple has is valuation is higher than amazon facebook and google combined yeah they're in the trillions yeah

yeah like what is that right like what what lie are we being told about the competition between those companies and like the way it's all going and like what monopoly does apple truly hold, right? At the end of the day, over everything else. And what does that mean? And what is that, you know, like the idea that like in China, people because of the COVID laws were shut down, they were living in the factories for a month at a time to push out the new iPhone. Like what, what is that saying about our society? Like when you have the most, you know, the highest evaluation of a company like four trillion dollars, or not trillion, but, um, do you remember what it was? I think it's, I think it's one point four trillion. Yeah.

1.4 trillion. But yeah, a trillion dollars. That's insane to think about that one organization would hold that kind of valuation. And they can force people to be slave labor. Yes, it's all off slave labor. And so I feel like it's that these are the infrastructures that are going to begin to crack and break. And how are they going to try to keep it in all control? And I think it'll just be they've built the ecosystem of being able to turn it around relatively quickly. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's a huge monolith and it's not going to end abruptly, right? These things are going to take time to play themselves out for sure. But I think, you know, exactly that. How can a company be the most profitable company in the world has a greater GDP than most nations on the planet and yet still be allowed to, you know, use slave labor to prop themselves up? what does that say about us as people? Yeah. Right?

You know, and those are the kinds of things that by the via the advent of mass communication that we're beginning to get to that point of conversation in the larger zeitgeist. And that's why you have all these red herrings like climate change, vaccines. Like, hey, don't talk about these things. Talk about these things over here. These are what you're allowed to fight about. Don't worry about our slave labor and our $1.4 trillion. That doesn't matter. What matters is that the climate has gone up four degrees. You're going to be living underwater pretty soon.

Yeah, but did you know that once they're able to utilize carbon as inputted on the individual, that it's about a $20 trillion industry? Hmm. Because now you're going to have to measure your carbon footprint. You're going to have to measure your carbon footprint. You're going to have to measure your carbon. I think that that's the straw that breaks the camel's back. Like, that is. is just pure greed, you know, and you can see people that, it is, without a doubt, without a doubt. But I think that that is, you know, that's the, that is the temple that doesn't quite get built because they're like, yeah, it's probably not going to work. I don't know, though. I think they're pushing it hard.

And you can't argue climate change anymore. If you were to say, if you were to say and question climate change, your social credit score is going to, like, that's going to be almost as of some of this racism stuff is getting there to be like to question on a deeper level like what's really going on what's being manipulated right yeah within is banning people left and right yeah from questioning climate change so that and again the nice thing is is proofs in the pudding right oh i've experienced climate change my goodness Colorado you know had a different climate than the the last two years and you know like we can observe it oh we're getting more hurricanes like so so whatever's happening, we can have an example to say, there it is. But that's the, but can we question the why?

Right. And from the science perspective, the climate is changing. This is the great, it's such a great scam, right? Because the climate is changing and it's, especially if we take like the breadth of geology and we look at like, say, the Cambrian explosion, right? Carbon dioxide was a thousand, times more prevalent in the atmosphere than it is today. We're here, so obviously the world didn't end, but the climate did change. There was ice ages, many ice ages and meltings through that whole process for the past few million years. And we have now records of this from a geological perspective to good evidence to suggest that, yeah, the climate changes. In fact, it's pretty cyclical

in the way that it changes. And we, we, can actually kind of predict those cycles. So now if I'm in a position of authority and I know the climate's going to change and I can all of a sudden figure out a way to profit from that, I'm King Dingling. And I think that's where we're at today. Yeah. I mean, look at the ice cores. They drill out of Greenland, right? Like there's so much history. Look at a farmer's almanac. You know, it's all right there. Superstitious. That's not real history. That might be the truest form of history is a farmer's almanac. You know what I mean?

That's like you're awesome, man. Totally. Yeah. You know, it begins to, it just fits together so well. Like, what, let's jerk the wheel hard to the right ear and talk back into the world of science fiction. What do you guys think are the chances of us being hit by some sort of cataclysm? I know Ben and I have talked about this in some time, and there's plenty of history. that shows that we constantly get bombarded.

At different seasons in the galactic year, we're definitely at risk from a real climate change event. You know, maybe this fight for resources, maybe this fight for, you know, all these threats that are happening are because we could potentially be entering some sort of climactic cataclysmic event. So, you know, I think this is up and again, it's interesting looking at it from like a perspective of astrology, right? Okay.

And there's, there's an interesting way of thinking, again, if we look at this from a more spiritual perspective and the celestial bodies and creation, right, some sort of divine order, this thing is inspired in some way, shape, or form, that when it was created, it's, it kind of predestined the energies, because the energies became cyclical, right? And so there is a predestination of how the earth is going to move. There is a predestination that there, Tuesday night is a solar eclipse, right?

It's a pretty, it's a beautifully, yeah, or sorry, a lunar eclipse, not solar, lunar eclipse. So it's this beautiful, like, predestination. We know at this time there's this thing that's going to take place. And so when you think about these, these cataclysmic events that have happened, were they predestined in some way, shape or form in the order of like knowing what would be needed to reset humanity into its next cycle and its evolutionary patterns of growth. And like is maybe the most scary thing that we've ever done is humanity is freaking flew a satellite into an asteroid and changed that. Like we altered something that had never been altered before.

And that was something that was predestined to move through space. I don't know. How does that, how does that land? Is that too far out there? No. It actually all connects together. Right. George, you're an asshole.

tell me something we don't know yeah so all right come on mr wizard i feel like some wizard he is about to come out and i'm excited for it all right so everything is cyclical right um and those are that's those cycles are in relation to uh to all of our celestial things the zodiac for instance is a whole part of this uh it takes us approximately 25 000 920 years to uh go through our procession through the equinoxes, right? Or I'm sorry, procession through the different zodiacs. That period is also our dance with the star series.

There you go. Yep. And so that dance, that period of time, a half cycle of that is 12,960 years. If you look at the geologic data on this planet, the cyclical cataclysms that happen have a period of about 13,000. years. This is where, like, Randall Carlson talks about this, is the younger dryest impact theory that he claims. But if you look at the cyclical nature of it, you know, his idea is that kind of what George stated is that we're going around the galactic plane takes us 250,000 years.

And in that traversing, there's periods of cataclyph. However, it seems that it's much more consistent than that. And so how would it be much more consistent is because there's, there's a dance between the earth and the sun. And the sun is, you know, it's a ball of energy. It gives us all life. It also has, seems to have a history of destroying life on this planet. You know, these solar outbursts, and, you know, this goes into the yoga cycles from, from Hinduism and all sorts of stuff. So this all connects together.

Yeah. So these cyclical events, these destructive events, they're actually triggered by ways. waves moving out from the galactic center. These waves, the period of that wave is just happens to be 12,920, 60 years, somewhere in there. That period, and we actually, James Webb Telescope just saw a picture of this. And if you saw the picture where it looked like there was

ripples in the galaxy, that's exactly what this is. And so whenever those ripples impact our heliosphere, it switches the polarity of the sun, kicks out a micronova event. Those things are recorded in trees, all sorts of stuff. So yes. And George, I didn't want to really get into this on a live broadcast, but here we go. Yeah. Yeah.

So, you know, the idea is, you know, what George was holding up there is Hapgood's book. There's the Adameneuve story. What book is that? This is called, yeah, like Chan Thomas. It's a blow your mind. It'll blow your mind. You would like it too because it gets into a lot of the celestial bodies. You know, one point he brings up in the book, too, is that if you wanted to write a language for future generations to understand, you wouldn't write it on a stone.

You wouldn't write it on a leaf. You wouldn't write it in pen. You'd write it in the sky. I mean, that's what constellations are, right? Isn't it weird that the age of Aquarius is a giant god dumping a giant jug of water? What does that mean? Hey, man, maybe we're going to get wet by this god up here is going to dump this water on us. It happens all the time.

And if you look at the ways in which people paid attention to the sky, before they went with the Mars, they, them energy, You know, there was a different language behind it. Yeah, and that was for a reason. Like, if you look at the way in which previous societies paid so much attention to the astral beings, like that was for a reason. There's cycles that happen. The same way we have summer and winter on our planet, so too do we have summer and winter in the galactic year, right?

Like, as we go around the galaxy, as we go around the universe, there's different cycles. And it's, you know, but this is where it gets in the idea of the great, reset. Like that to me lines up. Ben, I don't know how you memorize all these dates. Like you're pretty damn spot on them though. When I was just looking at that book, I'm like, yeah, he's pretty much on it. Yeah. And so it's

interesting to think that you know, there's a real possibility that you know, the great reset is in fact a great reset. And like that makes sense why you see people scrambling for resources. That makes sense why you see people building bunkers.

Like it's not because of nuclear war, but it's something probably more destructive. You know, it's, it's fascinating to think about. For context, there was an event in 1859, something like that. It was called a Carrington event. And it was a solar flare, not even a micronova, just a flare. I think it was an X-32, X-33, X-34, something like that. But it actually ignited telegraph lines. So the lines that telegraphs were transferred throughout the time, made a copper, ignited them. set all the transmission stations on fire. This was back then when we didn't use electricity.

We didn't have copper wire in all of our motors and all of our systems. And this is actually, you know, by observation of other astronomical bodies, other stars, it's actually on the lower end of what our star is capable in a super flare or a micronova event. So if you imagine just a Carrington event happening, just a super flare. happening. All of a sudden, you know, imagine everything copper inducting so much current that it ignites on fire. Every house, every car, every building. There's nothing that we have in our modern society that's not completely inundated with metal conductive materials. It would, it would destroy society in an And we have recorded knowledge that our son does this.

It's not like we're woo-woo here. And I think we got a little woo because Paul's not talking. But, you know, but, you know, this, we have, we have a lot of, a growing body of evidence for all of this stuff. I, yeah, go ahead. No, keep going. Sorry. Oh, no, I was done.

I was going to say, like, I have a good buddy that it works on the grid as an electrician. And we were talking one night and like one of the ideas came up like, what's one of your greatest fears? And he was like, freaking solar flare. Like if that hit our grid, we would be done in an instant. And we,

and it will happen. It's been recorded. It could happen at any moment. And we would have no, no, you know, forewarning. Right.

And then so the correlation to the cycles that we're talking about is, you know, to that James Webb picture, which is fascinating to see. you know, because it's real, we've only really postulated that this could happen. And there is some evidence to suggest that there is, you know, imagine a giant wave that its breadth is about 13,000 years. And so through that 13,000 year period, you know, that's the polarity of the sun. And then all of a sudden, that polarity shifts as the wave goes into its, its trot or its peak.

and by the polarity shifting on the sun, that's where you get these massive releases of energy. You know, it's just like, you know, turning on a light switch or turning off a light switch, you're completely changing the current. And so, yeah, it's very interesting, and there's a lot of evidence to it. I'm trying to do it justice, but I don't, damn it, George.

Well, it's just so fast, like I like thinking about it. It's a fun thought experiment. Like, wouldn't you want, to like begin transitioning the population to work together. Hey guess what? Bugs could be fun to eat. Guess what I mean? Maybe you could eat lab grown meat, you know, because they're going to kill all the

cat. You know, like maybe there won't be any animals around, you know, or, you know, it just seems like you could see this as a way of slowly conditioning people to think something. So if something did happen, you'd already be up and running. Well, let's go sci-fi. Let's just say you had four knowledge of this event coming, right? And let's say you're pretty damn certain it's going to happen. And you and your group of buddies in the power go, well, how the hell are we going to survive this?

Well, we definitely need some people, right? We can't get rid of all of them. So we need to figure out a way to kind of, you know, get the people that we want and not the people that we don't. And we don't want to have mass chaos when all of this goes down. We don't want all sorts of looting and rioting. So if people didn't own anything I don't know I'm just Now I'm getting a little out there But

Maybe we could Maybe we could come up with some sort of shot To test medicine on people To see how they react to it before the thing came I'm surprised we're still live And YouTube hasn't shut us down The night is young The night is young

Well back to that point of the again This idea of our celestial bodies It was interesting. Like Notre Dame is said basically that that men during the day are into trance, like that we're just like we can't see the truth. We can't see what's really going on and that it's only in the night, only when it's in the dark and, you know, late and that you can really begin to see nature,

like and really see something that's far bigger than ourselves. And it's interesting how through light pollution and we've had this disconnect from the stars. And we think it's, oh, maybe the stars have burnt out or like all these weird, you know, like, why we see less. It's like, no, like, if you were really under the stars, you would pay attention to them. And what happens when you pay attention to them is you're giving your power maybe to the thing that should hold your power, not the institution that's telling you what to believe. And, you know, how does that begin to awaken us of understanding this stuff by starting to do the work and spend our time under the stars? Yeah.

Are the stars out there in Colorado Springs? They're pretty great. I'm sorry, I'm a fisherman on the ocean. Yeah, they're pretty shitty. Comparatively, they're shitty. But we don't have a super bright city. Compared to like Denver, I feel like our light pollution is not horrible. Haven't seen the Milky Way since the 80s.

No, haven't. Not in the same way. Not in Colorado Springs. Nice. Well, gentlemen, I got to shut it down a little early today. I have a great time, man. I want to say thank you to everybody.

It's always a real pleasure for me, and I really enjoy the conversations. But before we go, why don't we go around the horn and people can say what they got coming up and where people can find them? Ben, let's start with you. Benjamin C.George.com, the No Absuits podcast, starting to get kicking off and rolling.

I'm a little bit slow because, I've been doing some tech stuff, but I'm starting to wrap that up. So hopefully kick it into another year. I'm excited for more conversations like this, really. It's just fun. Yeah. Jason, what do you got coming on, my friend? Say, I am at Experience Integration on Instagram.com.

If you want to check out any of the stuff that I've got, my podcast is telling secrets. Every week we're dropping episodes. Just did this one this last week on being alcohol-free and what my story was around that. So that's kind of fun to put out into the world. And otherwise, same. I'm just excited more of these kind of fun conversations. Absolutely. And Jason, where is your podcast available?

Is it on all platforms or on YouTube? It is Spotify and Apple. Okay. Fantastic. We're on Spotify, largely. Fantastic. And Paul, what can people find you at, my friend? If anywhere.

Yeah. So actually, yeah, so I've been working with guys for a number of years now. We finally were able to, we newly formed called the Hawaii Dark Sky Association. And I'm the newly elected vice president of it. Thanks. We are out there protecting Hawaii's dark skies for all the reasons we. We got through, you guys mainly got through the time. But I'll have some stuff to be able to share with you guys, hopefully, in the upcoming weeks.

Oh, yeah. Very good. That sounds fascinating. Very nice. Okay. Awesome. Well, that's what we got. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for participating in this live event and spending time with us.

And I hope everybody has a beautiful day. That's all we got for today. Alova.