TrueLife - Tommy Carrigan - Graffiti on the Graveyard Walls

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

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Tommy Carrigan, ladies and gentlemen. Tommy Carrigan. They built their empire on graves, stacked bones into skyscrapers, paved over dreams with dead men's lies and thought we wouldn't notice. But Tommy Kerrigan noticed, and he came swinging. Born with rebellion carved into his marrow, gifted with the fire tongue of his Irish bloodline, Tommy tore through the polite prisons they offered, biology, pharmacy, medicine,

and burned their paper chains before they could cuff him. From a crooked rooftop above an old garage, she grabbed a mic like a Molotov, sprayed truth-like graffiti across the walls of a world rotting from the inside out. They banned him, erased him, shut the doors and blacked out the windows. But you can't bury a storm.

You can't muzzle a mine that games across star systems and sees high rises as tombstones scratched out of deaf sky. Tommy is a cracked mirror, a mad prophet, a workhorse rebel dragging broken truths through barbed wire and throwing them bleeding at your feet. He wears grief like armor. His brother's ghost, to his chest like a battle flag, a promise that from ruin, he'll raise something

furious enough to matter. This isn't a show. It's a jailbreak. It's a fistfight in the graveyard of dead ideas. Welcome to Tommy Kerrigan, where every word is a brick through the stained glass delusions. And the walls of the old world are coming down, spray painted, blood smeared, and loud. Tommy Kerrigan, thank you so much for being here, my friend.

How are you? I'm going to clip that and said it to the guy that I've had a producer for all over the month. I'm going to send that to him. That's the best introduction. People always ask me, like, what's your background? Like, I do a podcast. Like, before that, I was, like, college? I don't, like, I have no idea how to, that, that's the best, like, hype up I've ever had.

That's probably, like, the best introduction I've ever had. That's how I say, man. I'm going to, you know, I'm literally going to send it to my back. That's fucking awesome. I appreciate that, dude. I'm stoked on what you do, man. And like, I've been listening to you for a long time, man. You know, I was a UPS driver for 25 years.

And when I came across your podcast, I was like, this fucking guy gets it, man. But more than that, like, I love the fact that you have walked away from the ideas that society told you should be. And you did it at a young age. You did it at a pivotal age in college. You're like, fuck, it's isn't for me. I can't do it, man. Like, that takes a lot of guts. But then moving forward, you got this channel on YouTube.

You're crushing. You come out against COVID and the censors. everybody shuts you down, man. Yeah, just blown up, man. Same thing on X, man. You start speaking your mind and guess what? These people start clamming you down, man. I want to know, what have you learned by that?

Like, what have you figured out by speaking truth to power at a young age regardless of what the perceived consequences might be? Yeah, I mean, to step away from, you know, in college and do that, I mean, that was December 2013. and I decided not to go to med school. I didn't start the podcast of December 2019. So that was like six years of really kind of like losing all of my friends. Really everything unemployed.

I mean, and then, you know, the whole char with my husband. But like it like this like so when I start like screaming about the podcast, it's not that it's five years old. It took six years to get to the point where I started it. And then this is like the new testament. I'm like, there was a, there's a whole background story. But everyone has their own fucking woes me, not important to answer your question. What I've learned really through a baptism by fire, you can't give you, you really can't.

And you will care, but you can't. It's okay to say, like, every day I try to say something out loud that I'm grateful for. And some days, I really don't mean it, but I still say it just to say it. Like a lot of days, I actually do pretty, like anything you work at it, you get better at it. I'm like, I'm thankful for this. And then sometimes, like, yesterday I was kind of feeling flat. And I was just like, thank you that I'm not paralyzed. I was like, how great is it to like walk around?

I'm like, you know, that would suck to not be able to walk. And I'm like, thanks, God. Like, that's a real one. So stuff like that were to do better at whatever it is that you want to do, to know what you're going to do. you have to it it's my point is it's the point of me saying that is and sometimes i don't mean it sometimes i'm like thank you for a warm bed i don't actually give a fuck i'm not actually grateful but i'm like just do it every day do it every day so a lot of days you cannot care what people think some days you're really going to care but you still have to tell yourself i don't care because

it's it's a good process to go through so the point of all this is that if you know it's true if you know what you're doing is and that sometimes you have to you really do have to gauge it you're like you don't you don't like I follow a lot of parody accounts on Twitter because they're so great at how angry they get people like like there's one that like there's a guy that like parodies at Krastenstein it's just like a bleeding heart leftist anti-trump and he comments on everything so like you know whenever there's like a racial crime he's always like you know this wasn't as bad white people kind of deserve it and people go insane in the comments

and everyone's a while you'll see someone come back and go I didn't know this was a parody account like salutes her and so my point is is you got to first make sure that you are going into something where martyrdom is worth it you don't want to go out of parity so like you do have to gauge something and if you really do know it's and for me it was going up the chain of command and like eventually finding the doctor that invented the fucking vaccine. And I'm like, this guy says it's not good to take and that the censorship is immoral. That's like your verification. You go, okay, it's not a parody account.

It's worth kind of, quote unquote, dying for. Just take that example and apply it to really anything. And that, if you know it's right, you just have to do it. And I know that's like such a cheesy, simplistic, just do it. But I mean, really, just do it. And you're probably going to get banned. Most people are probably going to start to hate you. There's going to be the little voice in the back of the guy that goes, man, you didn't even have to go along with COVID.

What if you just didn't cover it? That's not technically condoning it. But you still know that's dishonest to yourself. And it's always terrifying. And I should clarify everything I'm saying right now is in hindsight. Like when it's happening, up until this day, April 28, 2025, just sitting outside meditating. I'm so just like, fuck, how am I going to fucking make this thing work? Like, it is every day.

And then I always, what I can slow my mind down and just try to stop thinking and just kind of observe. Every year, I always tell myself, if I, I had gone back one year ago today and just told myself everything that would happen over the next 12 months, I would not have fucking believed it in terms of growth, in terms of good, in terms of personal strength. And it's been that way every year since I started the podcast. And then every year I go, but last year was different. This upcoming year, I'm fucked. And then I get to the second one.

And I go, okay, well, the last two years have been a pretty insane roller coaster of miracles. But I'm truly fucked down. A third year, you're like, wow, three straight years, which is God's bounty. Fortunately, I'm done for four years. And even now, I'm like, even as I'm saying this, the irony is lost on me that I really do. I couldn't pass a light detector test if I told you everything's going to work out. I'd say I don't really fucking, I'm going to keep trying. I'm not going to give up.

But no, I mean, the last five years have been a fluke. Now I'm fucked. And you and I will talk in a year. Now I'll be like, man, dude, the last year is insane. This happened, this happened. This person introduced me to that person, which led to this. Now, this is working. You're going to be like, sorry, are you feeling better about the show?

I'm like, no, no, no, it's over. It's done for it. It's current. So very long-winned answer is like, do your verification. and make sure it's not a parody account. If it's worth martying yourself for, do it. Don't seek out shit to martyr. That's stupid. That's attention grabbing. But if you come across the lines of something, you know it's wrong. Hey man, if it is your job, like you and I, we do media. If you're, if you're delivering pizza, it's fine. You don't need to, like, die on the hill of COVID. I get it.

You probably need the job. Like, you don't need an interview Dr. Malone. That's fine. That's fine. do your thing but if you're in what you and i are doing and you look around and you see other people not doing it you you know it's wrong you do know it's wrong and you can't rely on other well bigger shows should do it i i don't know anything about him so i'm not going to just like talk shit about him but there was a clip of like tim pool that went viral like a year ago and it's it's him kind of berating his guest because his guest is like I actually want to talk about like the veers COVID vaccine he's like no you don't know what it's like like you know I literally have to like reach out to YouTube every once in a while and be like is it okay if we put this up

because if not I'm going to get in my mind I'm like you've got millions of subscribers yeah now if I didn't have a show or if I had a show and I wasn't doing the right thing I shouldn't be able to cast a stone but I'm like hey dude no no no you you have to pick up oh what was you you have to pick up your phone and talk to your YouTube contact. Do you know how grateful I would be to be on YouTube? Fuck having a contact to have to not be IP ban. Do you know how much I would have? And if you look at that and I don't know about you,

but when I see that, I feel like, I mean, I do kind of feel like a sense of like, gross. Like grab your nuts. And, you know, so I don't know. really know how the fuck I answered that. Just rambling for like 10 minutes. Do the right thing. Make sure it is the right thing.

And it will eventually work out, but you won't believe it will work out. You'll be terrified. Yeah, it's the only way. It will work out. And then you'll tell yourself it will never work out. I don't know why it's going on that. I think, no, it's beautiful. I think that there's something to be said about willing to be on the front line and speak

your mind. You know, once you start getting into the position where you're worrying about what a sensor might say or what is, you know, once you start getting to the point where you're worrying about all the exteriors, you start of, you sort of lose the plot, you know, and you start censoring yourself, which is like the worst form of censorship. Like, oh, I can't say that. Like, now you've put on these chains on yourself that allow your message to be watered down and you just become part of the noise instead of the voice in the, on the forefront

up there, man. It's, it's really well said. And, like, you've lived it, man. You've gone out. You've made the sacrifices. and you've faced the consequences of it too. You know, I want to, I got a bunch of questions. Everybody in the chat, I love you guys.

Let me just jump into one or two of them right here real fast because people want to hear from Tommy. They say, okay, this one's coming to us from Clint. He says, Tommy, which is harder to carry? Your dreams or your doubts? Dreams. Why? Well, because doubts can be nullified by your own evidence.

again for me man I know how the fuck the show is going to work and I go well a year ago I didn't think it was going to work and I was like I have to move out of this apartment probably you're going to find like a cheaper apartment this is not going to work and then every year there's one of those things and then it grows and I can quantifiably too I can just look at like the Excel spreadsheet and I'm like views are going up like and not linearly it's everything's doing up exponentially your doubt to always be there but it's pretty easy when you can start like I can doubt like what if I run out of water? It's like, well, I'm looking at this right now.

And I'm looking at this right now. And I'm like, well, I still doubt it. That's fine. You're allowed to doubt it. If it's a form of psychosis or OCD, like I have OCD. Okay, sure. But I mean, it's right there. Okay, it's right there.

I still doubt it. I know you do, but it's right there. Okay, it's right there. Your dreams, there's a part of you. And it's hard because it's not always wrong. your dreams you have to balance reality with being pessimistic

like I'm like I'm going to have the biggest podcast in the world I'm going to fucking make tens of millions of dollars want to open a medical school name it out my brother I want to do a ton of philanthropy I also want to have fun and blah blah blah and have a meaningful life and not just have a there's no point in making the biggest podcast in the world

if you don't do something good at It doesn't mean you can't have fun and do silly episodes. But you got to do something. There has to be a, you have to relieve some suffering somewhere. You go, yeah, I can do that. Is that going to happen this year? Probably not. But that's not being, but you don't want to go that road, go down the road and go,

honestly, it's probably never going to fucking work. You're living a dream. You should grow the fuck up and get a real job. You can kind of feel that like stern part of you that it's not always bad to have because there are a lot of people that are, like, Like, I'm the greatest thing ever. And it's like, you're not. And like you're relying on your parents for money.

You're 50. That's immoral. You're making your parents worry. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't go out and try. And hey, you have a YouTube. Keep putting out your beats. Keep putting out your, you know, flash animations. Keep working at it.

Don't completely beat that voice down and say, you know, it's, you grow up, be a man. Go get, okay, well, because then you, all right. but you do have to kind of keep that dream alive. And it's your default is always to bring it back down to earth and go, you have rent to pay, you have utilities to pay, you got to get food. And it's difficult because it's not, it's not like an OCD psychosis where you can actually nullify it entirely. You go, every day you're worried that your water is going to run out and it's right there.

And it's never once run out in your life. You don't know anyone who's ever died from dehydration in your life. It's a first world country. That's something where you can go, okay, it's always wrong. Don't listen to it. Being realistic about your dreams is not always wrong. It's, but you do got to supplement it. Maybe you got to go get a part-time job.

You can keep doing the podcast. And in time, it does look like it's growing. Keep that dream alive. Stay positive. Don't listen to anybody. But be realistic about paying bills. So because of that, it's very hard. to keep the dream a lot.

And I, like, sometimes when I'm, like, having a really hard time seeing how it will work, I'll finally tell myself, kind of like I was saying earlier about being grateful. Sometimes if I don't even believe it, I'll just be like, for the sake of it. Like, I have socks.

Cool. All right. It's like, sometimes if I really can't see how it will work, you know, if, like, the pouty little voice is, I see, you know, you know, I will tell myself, I pretend I'm a writer for like your chef. And like my boss is like, all right, we need a, we like, we need to have a scene where, you know, whatever, the guy gets the girl or the, his venture capital thing gets funded.

And I write like nine things. And I'm like, these are all the most realistic things. He's probably not going to get the girl. He's probably, and I just imagine like this boss being like, I understand all of that. But I'm asking you as my employee. to write a fucking scene where it works. It's not real. It's Netflix.

Do you have a pretty good job here? Am I not pretty cool to you? You just write me the fucking scene. I don't care if he finds a lottery ticket. And then you go, for a show. I forgot this isn't real. It's like, make it as real as you can. And I'm like, okay, maybe this happens and they find something in common.

Or maybe he sits next to the right guy on a plane and turns out he's an investor. and not realistic, but can you see how it work? I don't, Tommy, I don't care if you believe it, but I need it in by Friday. And you go, okay, I'll write it. Even though I think nine out of ten of these are much more realistic, the boss goes, I don't care. Turning the fucking thing, it's almost Christmas break.

Like, let's get out of here. I'm like, oh, yeah, what am I doing? I'll write the thing. I'll do that if I really can't imagine how it works. I'll be like, okay, I can see all the ways it does it work. can see, you know, oh, payments from Rumble Stop or Patreon lowers or I get banned for more shit or for whatever reason, my guest just start deciding we don't like Tommy anymore. I'll be like, yeah, I get all of that.

I'll be like, for the sake of just, can you end in the script? I'll go, oh, you know, what are some existing mechanisms? There is, you know, I do have a bank account or a PayPal like link to Rumble, link to Spotify. I do make money. Well, realistically, if those just scaled up, instead of making 50 bucks a month, if you had a 10x growth, you'd make 500 bucks a month. And it's not like Rogan or something where you've hit a saturation point where you're probably not going to grow 10x. But much smaller things, it's like, 10x growth for a thousand subscriber channel is completely normal. Even if you have 100,000 subscribers, it's not uncommon to find a channel that has a million subscribers.

Once you get after like 10 million, 50 million, it's like you're kind of at the apex, but that's not longer a concern of years. I'll be like, could it happen that I get 10x? And I'm like, I mean, yeah, it could. It's not real. But could it? Yeah, I could. And what would that? Well, if I should have grew 100 X and I went from 50 bucks a month on Rumble to 5,000, that paid for all?

Yeah, I fucking paid for my bills in that. All right. Well, let's just write that. And when I look at it that way, I start to go, oh. is that going to happen probabilistically no or it will happen in fractions and it won't happen this year it will happen over X years it's like that's how I try to look at things sometimes I'll be like I get it you don't fucking I just imagine a boss being like I don't give a fault like the stories about elves and dragons none of this shit's real can you write the

fucking script or you're fired and just being like oh what am I doing sorry yeah I'm just like I just imagine like being like what am i do i have the fucking scroger out we're going for drinks like yes all right end the script let's leave that's how i so to answer the question it is a lot harder because a lot of doubts you can nullify or even if they are really yeah that did suck but we're going to work through it the dreams are harder because you have to keep them pinned down and there's a lot of realism to that if you know don't ever limit your dreams like well no you have to because you're broke but it doesn't mean

deflate the dream entire life dreams are a lot harder to keep it it's so much easier to go it probably won't work it probably percentage wise it probably won't but can you just end the fucking script like Jesus Christ it's like yeah sorry about it just imagine a boss

being like I can't fucking deal with this day right the script I know Frodo's probably going to rape to death by an or can you right one outcome where he somehow, man, he gets there and he throws the ring in. Okay, there you print. Like, I don't know.

It's true, though. But that's what makes the dream go from vision into reality. It's like on some level, you have to understand all the consequences you're up to so that you can figure out the path forward on so many levels. You know, and on some level, I wholeheartedly agree with everything you're saying, like the ephemeralness of the dream and trying to translate it into vision is it's alchemy man

and it you know if i shift gears for a minute you talk to like a lot of intelligence guys like you have been around that circuit for a long time i know you talk to diego from warrior's side shout out to warrior's side great company um and you have all these people that you get to really pick their brains on on how things happen and one of the things i've picked up from some of your podcast is that intelligence guys they always say like you need two weapons ruthless clarity and unwavering loyalty. Which one do you think would be harder for you to hold on to when the bullets start flying?

Ruthless clarity or unwavering loyalty? From a bullet start flying, you mean like metaphorically for the show? Yeah, however you want to take it, man. I mean, for the show or for, you know, up to you, man. One life those challenges which ones be able to. Right. Which one's harder? Clarity.

Because you can fall back on loyalty. You can go. It's the same thing. It's going, I don't know how it's going. Clarity is I can't see how the thing works. Loyalty is going, but I'll write the script because the boss is asking for it. Okay, the podcast somehow grows. I'm at 50,000 subscribers.

Can it grow 10x? It absolutely can. Could you go from making 500 a month to 5,000 a month? You absolutely could. Yeah, I see that. And what's loyal? Get up, go to the gym, do the show. Be on time.

Do the show? Okay. Do I see how it works? Not like in my bones. How do I want it to work? I'd like for it to make a ton of money. I'd like to find a girlfriend. I'd like to have a wife.

I'd like to get a dog. I'd like to not always be freaked out about the next month's rent. I know that financial implications or stresses never go away, but I'd be a little more happy if I just knew it was like, you know, like do you have some savings? That's the clarity that I can see during meditation or prayer. The loyalty is even our, on days I don't see it.

Like sometimes I'll wake up and I just sometimes it feels like I'm in the passenger seat. If I'm just like exhausted or like it just seems like the shit is not working, I'll like, I'll like wake up and almost feel like I get out of the driver's seat, sit in the passenger seat, and I just kind of like tell my my like core operating system. And it's like it's almost dissociation. Like I'll just get up and like watch myself go to the gym and I'm like I don't feel. fucking want to be like, stop thinking, do the show, turn it on, turn, to do the talk, finish it, thumbnail, audio, upload it, do the description. And at the end of the day, I'll be like,

now you can get back in the driver's seat. I'll be like, fuck. But that's like muscle memory. Yeah. That's much harder to, uh, I'm sorry, the loyalty is much easier to hold on to because you just build it into your system. You just nail it the fuck down, weld it on. And you're like, this is the thing. You don't have to. So once you've done that, you kind of don't have to have clarity. It helps. Objectively, it helps.

It helps when you start to believe it can work. You go, my God, this can happen. You feel lighter. You feel more energetic. But if it really doesn't feel like it's working, you just step on over the passenger seat, put it an autopilot, and you're like, this thing's going to drive us to the destination. Even if bomb start going off, the tires blow out, it will drive until we're dead. Like I've coded it to do that.

So yeah, no, clarity is a lot harder to, that's, because in a way, that's, that's, that's, that's just a different angle on the previous question. It's, which one's easier to hold on to the dream or the doubt. The doubt you could say is, is loyalty as you go, that's the thing you build into your system. Don't listen to the debt. Don't listen to the fatigue. The clarity is the same thing as the dream. Which one can you keep floating above you? Which one can you keep?

You're like pumping up a balloon. that has like a hole in it. You have to keep pumping it. Like it's harder to keep it there, but you can do. Yeah, it's well said. You know, another, one of the other things I really admire about your podcast is such a variety of guests and such a variety of topics. And like, I love the way that you push back on people as well.

You know, we live in this incredible time right now. And I'm not sure if people thoroughly understand the changes that are happening in the big picture. Like, you talk to so many people. What is what in, in your view, Tommy, with all. the people you talk to and your personal experience, what do you think that the future of this country is happening right now? Is it a rebirth or is it a tragedy? What are your thoughts on what's happening in the state of the U.S. right now or the world? It's kind of, it's kind of an

extrapolation of, to me, my own experience with the podcast of going on with the next year olds. I think last summer, that bullet missing his year has truly made me believe. like in the same way every once in a while something will happen with the podcast or just freak occurrence i'll meet someone and it's the exact person well i'll just kind of step back and i'll this is like the the badly written script somebody's like can you write an outcome where tommy wins i don't give a fuck if it's believable turn it in okay once in a while something will happen i'll be like what the fuck i'll be like that's poor writing i'll just meet someone who's like hey I like your show by the way do you want to meet my friend Roseanne Barr

I'm like who the fuck who the like what the next big man fuck this but like I don't know so every once in a while you'll have this and that that's what allows the clarity return that's what allows the belief to returns every once in a while like wild things happen and you're like oh we are in a casino like there's a lot of downs you can you can win big I think seeing that last summer I was maybe I'm like no there are there are like forces working that I think are beyond our comprehension

both good and bad like beyond like I mean is it spiritual is it conscious is it some weird you know Gaia feedback system on like the quantum level is it intentional is it God? Is it Satan? Is it alien? But there are

like forces I think that are at work that are almost were unable to comprehend. He might say, well, I don't want the woo-woo answer. Then I would say, like, all right, well, then it's, we saw last summer that probability sometimes doesn't matter. We do live in a world where sometimes it's just, what the fuck was that? So to answer, where are we going?

I think we have, like, what I feel every year when I somehow managed to make enough money to keep the show going for another year. I just always tell myself, some basketball coach said it during March mat, well, like 20 years ago. You know, March Madness is 64 teams, 32, 16, 8, 4, 2, 1. You lose your out, you win, you go phone. It's just that.

And when they're like, what are you doing next week? And he was like, survive in advance. Survive and advance. He's like, but you're like, your main guy's injured. He's like, yeah, but we won today. Next week we have to win again. That's a lot how I use the podcast. I know a lot.

That is exactly how I look at the podcast. I go, that was an ugly win. I go, but it was a win. We're still in. Keep going. But I don't, I don't fucking care. Wrap up your ankle. We've somehow kept going.

I don't care if you have to smoke meth next game. We're going to keep going. And I think that's how I kind of look at the country right now. It's like, yeah, we probably should have won last year. that was probably a fluke win what we want keep going so what do we do with that i don't know we're going to keep going and i hope it's like the podcast where i go yeah i don't i don't know man but you know every year it seems to keep working but there does kind of seem to be i mean for lack of a better phrase like the indomitable human spirit like there does seem to something

where it's like oh we're like we're that picture like hold fist up it's like that a millimeter to the other way we're probably in some form of like a prolonged civil war if not world war but we're not we're just here so like i don't know i'm hopeful though yeah because it's and here's the other thing with the clarity and loyalty and blah blah blah blah blah blah ultimately when it comes down to like handing in the script i'll also tell myself where i'll be like like the same frustrated Like, I get you don't believe it, but you can just hand in the script where it works. I tell myself, I'm like, I get all the negatives and how it probably won't work. But that's not exciting. Like, I'm biased in that I want the show to work. I want to make money so I can live a longer, better life and have a family.

That's all well and good. But regardless if it was me, regardless if this is happening to me or if I'm just reading a story about a podcast for 100 years ago, I want the thing that's more exciting. Like regardless of good or bad, regardless of personal. Like which one's more exciting? Well, it's realistic. Well, what is it? It's like escape from Tarkov's a video game of my plane.

And it's all right, but it's so realistic. Like a spring in your gun can fuck up when you have to go like find a new spring. I'm like, I don't want that. I like a reasonably, I don't like total arcade where you're running around with like rocket launchers. But like if I do like it when it's like you get shot and it's like your health is down 10 and like that's it. Instead of like your left tibious fractured, I'm like, how?

And it's like it's realistic. I'm like I get it's realistic, but I'm not playing a game to be realistic. I'm playing a fucking game. I want a piece of a amount of like, oh, the bullet drop in the windage. I'm like, I'm not a sniper. Just got like it's 9 p.m. on a Tuesday. I'm so tired. I just want to run around shooting.

I'll tell myself, I'll be like, which is the more exciting? Like, so yes, I think we can all agree. The bad one is where the globalist psychopathic cabal takes over the world and either thermonuclear destruction or a global prison state. That's, yes, that's bad. It's also not excite. Regardless of like us, well, yeah, we're very biased. We live now.

Forget that we're alive now. Pretend we're just watching Earth. It's not, oh, 1984 coming true. Okay, what a boring. Oh, my God, yeah, the top-down control system and there's no freedom. How quickly are you clicking out of that movie? I get it. No, you want to see the fucking like, no, like this happened and then that happened.

And then it somehow sput into this. And, you know, and then we fucking, you know, went to Mar, like, aside from being like what I want, it's also more interesting. Like, I don't, the bad guys, when, yeah, like, it's,

okay, cool, but it's gay and stupid. I want to see something like, no, Trump somehow survived, and now Elon Musk is like, people are like firebombing his cars, but he's using AI to like,

cut the propaganda machine of the U.S. government. You're like, what the fuck? Like, that's something where you're like, I'll watch the next episode, sure. Like, what is? You know, like it's, so it's, I'm biased in that it's what I want.

But it's also like, it's what I would watch. I'm like, oh, this is, all right, what happened? And then this happened? That's fucking wild. Like, and then what? And then what? Like, that's what I want to say. I don't know where I was going with.

I don't even know what the question was. Yeah. No, it's beautiful. I agree on so many levels. It seems when I look through the lens of the world of George Mani, like, I, see an incredible rebellion brewing, but it may not be the rebellion that we've, that was, that we see on Netflix. It's more of like an inner rebellion. And I see it with you. I see it with people like Clint Kyle's and all these people doing their own media channels. On some level, the individual

has the tools today to do what a multinational brand had 10 years ago. And it's incredible to see the direction each individual is taking it. And in doing so, I feel like each individual is sort of, becoming the best version of themselves. And that's what gets us out of this chaotic world of top down authority is like, look at all these people taking their power back for themselves, getting on the mic, you know, whether it's a studio above your garage or in a third room or wherever it is. Each individual is beginning to remember what power is and how much they have of it. And the hard part is they have forgotten how much they've given away. Like you don't really know how much power you have until you lose everything. And I think you've seen that

before, like this idea of what are you willing to lose? Because you have to lose. You have to give up everything if you want something new to grow back. And that's so hard if you've been at a job for 25 or 30 years or you're part of this school board or the school system getting shut down. It's really easy to look at that and be like, I'm going to lose everything. But the answer to that is congratulations. Now you're in a position to build something meaningful that's uniquely yours if you're willing to take the chance to do it. And I see it happen all around the world, just in the U.S., but from the yellow vests in France to the Middle East uprising. It's like, it's happening all over the world.

People are beginning to take their power back. And I think a big part of what we're seeing is a push from the top down. Like, hey, these guys are getting a little out of control over it. You get a little uppity, these guys thinking they could run stuff. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, no, you do have to, it's also kind of like catch-22 of like the more you take away from people, the more they realize they're flopped and they're like, well, it's, yeah, like if you have a ton to lose.

Chances are you're not going to risk. And it's like, that's not even necessarily a bad thing. Like, for, we're talking about, no, I agree entirely. Like, you do have to lose and be shunned and be destroyed. And it allows you to kind of create this. You're like, well, I'm fucked anyway. And everyone hates me. Like, what do I?

Like, what do I want? Like, imagine if you're just like a homeless guy on the street and you have like a piece of paper and you're drawing. Like, do you give a, like, what are you going to, you're going to draw truly whatever you want? You haven't showered in a month. Everyone fucking hates me. People call the cops on me if I walk. Like, yeah, I'm not, I don't care if people don't like my drawing of a dragon.

You know, like, you're, so, but before that, it's like, it's, it's also like a natural feedback system. Like, you only start to do this shit. You only start to get wild and uppity when it's all been taken away. You're being threatened. Yeah. And it's like, well, so when people have comfy jobs, that means they're placated. I'm like, and it's not a bad thing.

It's not, placation isn't just like the edgy, oh, it's the opiate of the mass. It's not, again, a lot of ways it's, it's bad, you're scrolling Netflix, you're just jerking off. Like, you're not doing anything. Like, I get that where it's, that is a sedation. But it's also kind of the sign of like a moderately well-operating society. It's like, well, no one did this in the 50s. It's like, well, you could also just graduate high school and go work at the Ford plant and provide for a family. They didn't have a reason to protest.

because their lives were good. That's not a bad thing. You could say it's opiate the masses. No, it's a guy who's probably just an average dude. He's got my wife, got the kids, car, go camping on the weekend. And I'm not going to riot against Eisenhower. It's not a bad thing. It's bad when everything is fucked and you're still sedating people with fentanyl or McDonald's or TikTok or whatever.

But so in one sense, it's like a natural feedback system. It's like, well, how do we get the people to stop riding? You can do brutal force, which never works. You can do, like, knickknacks and, you know, phones and that kind of works. What's, like, the best way to really get quell shit? Fucking give everybody, like, a job. Really, just like, like, what's the evil master plan for Trump to, you know, reduce pushback? I'm going to make sure everyone makes $80,000 a year and can afford health insurance.

Bump, bump, bump. Huh? If that's how you get most people to shut up, hey, I would take that in a fucking heartbeat. I would take 80K in here, you want me to stop fucking questioning our involvement in Ukraine? You know, like, no, I wouldn't do that. I know you wouldn't. I know, I was just thinking I'm like, that's horseshit.

To stop saying, I don't know, like the word fagging it. But yeah, I'll give 80K, sure, sure, like, sure, what do I? Right, I say because it's like, I just like to poke. But I'll stop saying retard for you to get. I don't, there's no like moral stance on that. I don't fucking give them the money. But like, so for that. And then there's also the sort of like desperation.

It's also like a lot of people, they're going to start swinging for the fences when there is nothing else to lose. They don't have any money. They give every penny away. Like Department of Homeland Security, like FEMA is like purposely, remember those leaked tax, like purposely skipping. houses with MAGIFLags. And on like the day of Hurricane Helene, Blinken comes out and now's we're building

a railroad in Sierra Leone. When you start to see that and it's so, it's not even some abstract, like the government doesn't care about you. It is like people, it's like National Guard preventing people bringing in dried food. When it is just in your, I'm hungry, houses destroyed. hey Tom, I got a blanket and some water and a guy off the gun stands in between you two. There's really no room for interpretation.

And that's why you have people kind of just going wild. And one way you can do it is like, well, you know, it used to be to go wild. It was like, it was a big commitment. You grabbed a gun and you went and you did something. And it's either it's a mass shooting or you went to assassinate you don't have to do that to go wild what you can do is kind of saying no no you're like man

fuck these restrictions why are we giving these shots to babies like give them heart attacks people are like your question then you're like yeah i don't give a fuck man i don't care because what did i have why wouldn't i've said that before because i really liked my job and yeah i don't really i don't agree with all like the crazy liberal chicks at the office but you know what nine to five got dental insurance whatever but as that starts to get strapped to tripped away and as you no longer have to grab an AK, you can go, no, you know what, I think it's kind of horseshit. We know these companies.

We know that Pfizer and Purdue and the Sackler family. We know they paid out the biggest fine ever. How long ago was that? 2009. Oh, it wasn't back in the 20s? No, it was 16 fucking years ago. $2.3 billion for lying about oxycotton and then suboxone. we know that

and now they're doing this and a lot of people no one can lie about it anymore everyone knows why did that celebrity die what's the one thing you can't say oh that 28 year old passed away in her sleeve well I think you're being hateful you shut the fuck up bitch like no this is and as people do that

and as you can do that because we're all interconnected with all these devices everyone is it's a two-way road the very thing you need for the totalitarian control is also methods by which you can talk back. So there's never a one-sided sword. The ability to have a panopticon in every human in the world also opens the door for they can, and it's limited and you can throttle them, but it makes it a dialogue. 50 years ago, it was a monologue.

You got your six news stations and, you know, the presidential briefing. And you could disagree with it, but there's really. not much more you can do in 1970, right? Maybe you go to your pub. Maybe you start becoming like, you know, start going on a speaking circuit. But even then you have to become like Jimmy Hendricks to get your voice out. And by then they were pretty good at Cointel Pro and talking that shit down. And they dreamed of the ability to surveil everyone in their homes all the time.

But then there's the pushback of like, well, fuck, the thing we're using to surveil everyone. and they're also all talking to each other now. They're sending each other theirs reports like Barbara from Atlanta is posting graphs about myocarditis incidents. Fuck, like it is. So it's like the thing they're using to control us is also, it's Lopside, I'd say it's mostly good, it's used for control. It's not like it's not an even, you know, even street. But as you get that, it does. It's like the other thing.

It's like you no longer, if you wanted to get a point out in 1940 and no one was listening to, you pretty much had to like build a bomb. And even then it's no one cares about your manifesto because they go, hey, he blew up a cafe. And most people like, yeah, fuck that guy. But now, I mean, even 20 years ago, you had to be Snowden or you had to be Assange and you leak this shit. And then it's like, yeah, they left the country and the CIA is hunting them down. It was a pretty big, like, yeah, I might just stay in line. But as they increase the number in the veracity, the ferocity of which they attack people. And then as the attacks come, you're like, well, Sons leaked a video of some civilian casualties or deaths in Iraq.

And that's not good, but it's, you know, it's 2006 and I work in Boston. Like, what does that really do to me? I mean, realistically, what does it do to you? It's a cop out. it does not do you when it's now like no put this needle in your arm

why aren't some people dying put the needle in your arm now you're like it's no longer this grainy video from Iraq that was leaked it's no longer snowed and being like the NSA spies on you it's like oh

I don't really feel good about that man they at work they try to give me this thing I'm just not sure about it. Your pose has been removed for Hates me. Fuck. How do I... Oh, I'm cornered. And I don't know

if that thing's going to kill me. It most likely won't. But I don't know, man. I'm not... You take that thing every time you have the slightest chest tightness for the rest of your life. If you have chest tightness five years ago in your 20s, you know,

allergies. Getting to 40s and 50s, you're like, I should maybe go get an EKG. Now, I've had friends say, like, every time I get, like, the slightest, I freak the fuck out because I got it. So as you're pushing people over the edge, it's no longer, you know, it's over there. It's like, it's back home. And then it gets even more intense. They're like, or whatever, I took the shot.

I'll shut up. And it's like, all right, well, by the way, they're taking the kids on a field trip today. They're going to see Jack, the beautiful woman with tits in a cock, and you're like, wait. So you go to home and school meeting, and then the FBI shows up. And now you're going, that's my kid, man. That's my fucking kid. And you go online and you go, okay, I get where you're not allowed to talk about the COVID, whatever. That was national security.

And I get it. That's my kid and flag for hate speech. Now you have people going, if I can't defend it. my kid what am i and if i can't get away with using a microphone maybe i will go lock and loaded and that's a dark outcome but you're pushing people to that edge and so a lot of people would rather not do that and you shouldn't do that because it doesn't accomplish anything but that's where you get more and more people talking out or that's why rumble is growing it's like rumble isn't as good as YouTube, the UI isn't as good.

It's like, yeah, but it does have one magic trick. What? You're allowed to say whatever you want. Not even, like, call for bombing. So you're allowed to say, yeah, I didn't get the COVID vaccine. And then just go on about your, you know, you're out to leave that comment and then just go to the next video. It's, there's a, it's, there's a reason.

Hasn't Twitter grown like 80% in terms of traffic? I wonder why. What is, does it do something really good? Yeah, I'm from a different planet. Could you tell me real quick about what is it? Do they offer like 8K video in real time and virtual reality goggles and they, what is it about, oh, you know, you can, you can, you can write text. Like an email? Yeah, like a 1990s email.

Like in America online. Yeah, it's kind of like AOL. Why is it so big? Because that's kind of all people want is just to be able to talk. What about Facebook's metaverse must really be taken off, right? virtual right now absolute boondoggle a lot of people got fired i'm sure probably some of them were killed like oh and twitter is it's 140 characters it's actually it's actually quantifiably less capable than aOL it's you can write whatever there's a limit they all didn't have a limit oh

damn so it's like it's the natural feedback system so um um um um But I guess it makes sense, you know. It's either a last hurrah, or it will work, and we'll sidest up this. And humanity will go marching on. Back to the doubts thing. Whenever you have a doubt about the future of humanity, you can say, especially is not the water's right here. Well, it's gotten this far through crazy shit.

They killed Jesus, bubonic plague. wildfires. They thought the world was flat and they went to the edge and like, geez, what is this? Like, we've done, invented nukes. Somehow I've gotten away with it. Like, we keep going. So it is written in that like we will

keep going. So it might be that this is just yeah, this is just if you could look at it with a supercomputer, it might just say like, you know, this happens over the millennia. Or it gets to a breaking point. people realize it's at a breaking point and there's nothing to lose.

So they all start acting up and sometimes it turns into centuries of turmoil or sometimes it's just a quick Trump won. But it just keeps moving forward. So I mean, is it a bright future? I don't know. I'm a lot more optimistic than last year. Now I look at it. I'm like, oh, this thing actually might keep going.

I don't know though. I don't know. Man, it's really well said, man. It's a great answer. You know what? both you and I have faced our fair share of tragedies in our family. I've lost my son. You've lost your brother. My wife has cancer. And so many Americans and people, just people around the world are facing these things. And there's a question that I, that I ask myself sometimes. And I set it up to

ask you a similar question. So if your brother could sit across from me right now, no time, no distance between you. And he asked you not, what are you fighting against? But what are you building what would you tell them it's kind of intertwined i would like for the successive generation or even if not people after me people parallel to me the same age as me to not have to go through the same trauma as i did and i don't mean challenges i think challenges are good for them they're very good i would never want to they would never want to like you hey you grew up in a palace i'm like you're so fucked you know it's good to just basic they did just have a bad day. But some things I look at and I go, I've made the most

out of them, but they are not beneficial. In a vacuum, they're not beneficial. My own, like, I decided not to go to med school and like wrote my, said thank you, but no thank you, like a month before I lost my brother. So I already made that huge choice of like, I'm going to go down this path. Now I have made the most out of losing a brother. And like I said, I want to open a med school named after him and I want to blah, blah, blah. And you could, I mean, who know, and maybe it's just, it's still two, it's 11 years ago, but it might be something where in 50 years ago, oh, no, it was good that that happened. I don't know.

Maybe I'm not, it could be that I'm not wise enough. But what am I building and not fighting against, but what am I building for? I personally have, I mean, I have over the last couple of years, multiple occasions, like gone to the possible for panic attacks. Everyone has anxiety. I have anxiety every day. But truly feel like I'm fucking dying. Last January, I actually admitted myself to an inpatient, like, like, psych facility. Because I was going through withdrawals from Gaba Pettin, which I had been on for anxiety. And it was so bad, it was like warping my reality. I felt like I was going fucking insane. I felt like I was getting, like, possessed by his fear on a level I can't put into war.

And luckily, I was able to go to this thing, and they just look after you go through it. It's rehab. It's just 10 days. And then I left and feeling a little humbled. But then I was over. I've been sober since then. That should be like the default go-to. Like when you feel that level of horror overcoming you, where you're actually going, should I kill myself?

This is so bad to instead, I mean, 80 years ago? I don't think there's anything you get it done. They would have been like he's possessed or that would have given you a lobotomy and destroyed your life. I would like to work for something to where that subjective horror of anxiety or suicidal thoughts is as treatable as a broken bone or a gunshot wound. meaning it's still fucked but you know like sometimes when i'd be in the like emergency room for like a panic attack it'd be like one in the morning and you'd see someone come in you know like drunk chicks or something taking uber and you know one of their hands is fucked up and they're bleeding and you know in that moment you go if that was 200 years ago you're dead that's infected you're

fucking dead a couple hours from now sepsis you're done said they you know they bring you in there immediately they hit you with a pen of you know like morphine though okay we got to set your wrist and then you know everyone remembers in middle school high school you the friend with like the neon cast like yeah we're playing football and i that's normally like life ending and it's still a bitch to go through like getting my tonsils out there's still like a month of just unbearable pain but i mean they went into my throat and removed parts of my tissue and it wasn't the Catholic Inquisition torturing me. It's something that I paid for, right?

That's what I would like to build or help build. Because there are still things, whereas advances medicine is, and you have what's the number 22, 23 veterans who is, veteran, not just everybody else, but just veterans. I can't guarantee those people employment. I can't guarantee you have sex life or fulfillment. But in the same way that if I broke my arm today, I could go to the ER and then they'd fix it. And it'd be a bitch to deal with for maybe a couple months, be out of the gym, sure.

But there's no like, oh my God, it's over. Oh, my God. I better, like, get out of a parchment and pen and write you by to my parents. Like, my arm's broken. But for a lot of human history, that is what was reality. So instead of fighting or running from or fighting against, which is how do I deal with the traumas of suicide? You know, was I there? What blah, all that?

I would instead like to say, no, I want to build something where. And why do I want to do that? Do I think that's going to lead to utopia? No. It'll be one tiny thing, just like paved roads or in-conduance light bulbs or, you know, all these little things you do to make life just a little bit better. better. I would like for it to be, I would like for it to be something that people don't even have to be grateful for. I don't even mean it in some like people go, they go, thank God. I would like for it to be as routine as going and getting pedicillin.

Like I don't, I don't even want my name attached to it. There's no like, and then I want to, no, I don't give a fuck. You can name it the fucking like the Ralph shit fuck medical school. I don't care. It should be something where in a hundred years. years our kids and their parents don't even remember because they grew up with it oh you're no you're doing the anxiety no it'll take you in it you go in you get scanned for you know you have the you have the anxiety neural wiring yeah no to go and do this thing it's kind of keep your tonsils out you're going to be in bed for like a week get a lot of ice cream it it should be something you don't even think about that's what I would want so you can go and deal with all the other challenges in life like life is challenging enough

it's good to be like oh yeah I gotta finish my Z-pack I got a chest thing it's not like oh thank you respiratory god like I don't even want all that dramatic romantic bullshit I want the loss of someone

to suicide to be as unrelatable as your friend dying because they put too many leeches on them to bleat the spirits out you know like that shouldn't even be a thing. You know about that because you're like, we learned about that in

social studies. That's what I want. Like, so to me, it's like, that's what I want. There's not, for me personally, it will be like a beautiful thing. It's like, I did that. I named that for my brother. I'll enjoy that. My immediate family will enjoy that. And that will be therapeutic for us. But for most people, I mean, who invented the microphone you're using? We're both wearing glass. We're both wearing glass. Do you know what fucking, who invented glasses? I don't even know. I have no idea.

Ben Franklin wore them. I don't think he invented them. But you know how great it is? I can't see. I can. So now I'm going on my lives of like, now I can see the horror of my own life and better vision. Like, you know?

So like, that's what I want it to be. I want to, I want to, I want it. I want to facilitate something that makes life easier to the point where you don't even realize there's something that made it easy. It's like when the Secret Service does their job, you don't even know they're there. You hear about big shit like a shop fired. They don't publicize every little security breach. If you don't hear anything, they're doing the job. They're doing it very quietly.

That's good. That's fucking good. That's what I want. to add something to the world. I want this exact exchange to happen in a hundred years. Like, who invented the, what's the thing you go in for the, when you're little, the anxiety?

Oh, yeah, I know that, like, they do like a preemptive, like, electromagnetic zap, and it helps avoid the neural patterns that lead to suicidal. What was his face? I don't fucking remember. Yeah, man, can you imagine being back then? Fuck, that's all it should be.

I don't want any, like, I don't want it on my name. I don't. There's no ego. Like, I just, that's what I want. And then they will have some present thing. And they'll be like, one day, I don't want people to even know about how annoying it is to get Mars dust off your space suit. You know, like, that's what you're doing.

So that's what I would say. It's like, that. Just better to the point that I want to be old and go, you kids don't know. know you're so ungrateful. That's how I know I will have made it. If I'm angry at them for not being grateful, that means life is advanced and everyone's life is better. If I'm a grumpy old piece of shit,

that means I did well. I love it, man. It's a beautiful answer, man. Coming up on this hour, man, but before we land the plane, where can people find you, man? What do you got coming up? What are you excited about?

Rumble, Tommy's podcast, Spotify, Tommy's podcast. I never scheduled guests really past like a week out, and I never have any notes for every show. So people ask me that what's coming. I'm no idea. Truly have no idea. I have no fucking idea.

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