TrueLife - Transformative Journeys W/Bénédicte Mannix: Childhood Trauma, Magic Mushrooms, and Self-Discovery

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Bénédicte Mannix is a Psilocybin Retreat Facilitator specialized in Childhood TraumaJamaican based holistic therapist who works with magic mushrooms:* Holistic therapist focusing on the individual as a whole: Mind, Body and Soul* Client-centered therapist having studied Rogerian therapy. Her approach is humanistic and empathetic, emphasizing an unconditional positive regard of her clients.* Transgenerational therapist: People have long-standing patterns passed down through family generations. All human beings are a part of a system, Bénédicte has studied systemic therapy which focuses on recognizing unhealthy patterns, helping her clients alter them for their betterment.* Sophrologist believing that the body and mind are connected. Bénédicte is a qualified practitioner, helping people become more connected and conscious with themselves using breathwork, gentle movements, muscular relaxation, and visualization.* Sophrology Teacher: Teaching at the SophroAcademy Specialist Programmes designated for certified Sophrologists = Anxiety, Depression and Phobia * Specialized in the domain of childhood trauma. I am currently writing a book about how Sophrology can help people deal with the consequences of childhood trauma.* Several years’ experience in Risk Reduction at various large festivals around the world. Also, being part of its creation in South Africa. Work which involves providing a supportive environment and specialized care designed to transform challenging psychedelic experiences into valuable learning opportunities, and even potentially offering healing and growth. In turn, the work reduces the number of drug-related hospitalizations and arrests. BOOM Festival / Afrika Burn / Earth Dance / Origins* Psilocybin facilitator – 30 years of experience with psychedelics and the witnessing of others’ experiences have proven to Bénédicte their benefits. Grateful for having facilitated groups and individuals using psilocybin, witnessing magical results.* Psychedelic integration therapist. Integration is one of the most important parts of the psychedelic journey. It gives a space to bring forth insights gained during the altered state of consciousness to our normal state.ouHer Core Values:* Gratitude and Humility* Freedom is the key to happiness.* Sincerity and Honesty: It all starts with yourself.* Self-awareness: This is the capacity to always get a chance to better ourselves.* Respect and Empathy: It is important to try to understand each other and accept our differences. Empathy is vital in her work as it allows her to connect with her clients.* Peace and Love: This is what she aspires for herself and everyone. Her drive to do the work lies in this core value.https://sophrodelic.com/ One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

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I have a remarkable individual with me today. The one and only Benedict Manix, a beacon of healing and transformation with three decades of experience as a psilocybin retreat facilitator. Benedict specializes in the profound intersection of childhood trauma and the mystical world of psilocybin. Hailing from the vibrant landscapes of Jamaica, she's a holistic therapist whose essence transcends the physical and delves deep into the realms of the mind, body, and soul. Her therapeutic approach rooted in the wisdom of Rogerian therapy radiates empathy and unconditional positive regard for her clients. As a transgenerational therapist,

Benedict discerns the intricate web of generational patterns, diligently guiding her clients toward healthier, more empowering paths. Her toolkit extends to the art of sophrology, a practice that intertwines the body and mind, harnessing breathwork, gentle movements, muscular relaxation, to foster profound self-connection and consciousness. Not only is she a practitioner, but also a dedicated teacher, imparting her wisdom through the corridors of the Sofro Academy Specialist Program,

addressing anxiety, depression, and phobias. Her heart's focus, though, is on the profound domain of childhood trauma as the endeavors to pin a book illuminating how sophrology can mend the wounds of the past. Benedict's journey isn't confined to therapy rooms alone. She's a guardian of transformation at global festivals, expertly steering individuals through challenging psychedelic experiences, turning them into opportunities for healing and growth. Her presence has grace-renowned festivals such as the Boom Festival, Africa Burn, Earth Dance, and many more. with a heart enriched by core values of gratitude, freedom, sincerity, self-awareness, respect, empathy, and boundless love. Benedict embodies the essence of transformative healing. Thank you so much for being with me today.

Benedict, how are you? Yeah, I'm very good. Yeah, I'm surprised about, I'm very surprised about hearing all this about myself. That's a lot. Well, I think it's an awesome story. It's a life journey. Yeah. It's a life journey that I say that it started before me.

Before, as a transgenerational therapist, of course, my history started a long way before myself. And today, I'm the results of all this life. and I understood an iOS Cassation that I had in the Amazonian forest about this about that was like completely the result of

all this journey that I've had all this trip that I had all the visiting all this country traveling for years and years like in Asia and everywhere where, yeah, everything makes sense today, that where I am at now in my life and for everything that have happened. It's great.

It's always, you know, that's when we have a hard time in life. It's always difficult to imagine that this is the best that can happen to us now. But when we look back, we say, oh, wow, this is, this is, this is we were exactly where we're needing to be and to learn the lesson with that we we're needing to be where we are at now that so yeah no regrets just like yeah i'm i'm blessed to have at the life that i add and very blessed to be able to be in jamaica to do legally what i love to do helping people and with the help also salicybin. So yeah, I'm blessed.

I'm blessed. I'm lucky to be like meeting all those people that are teachers also. That for me, it's, you know, every time it's, I'm grateful for the lesson that people are offering me. I agree. Before we got started up, we talked a little bit about your journey. You have been throughout the world and it seems that wherever you travel to in the world, you were learning different lessons. Maybe you could talk a little bit about your background and traveling and some of the things you've learned. I've changed my mind about something that, you know,

before I was saying that psychedelics saved my life. India saved my life today. I can say that I've saved my life. And I say it because I want to pass the message, people save their life, nothing else. And that's important to know that, to take the responsibility of it. And I'm talking about India because I travel all over the world and India was a place where I find really love, like that people not having anything else, just love. to give and and love that I received that there was a beautiful journey to so I guess that you know that I started to see life a different way was it you know was my multiple travel in Asia and also that my multiple travel in the psychedelic world that's that's starting very young and just like

self-medicating myself. Because I realized today that, yeah, that this is like the psychedelic words is kind of a territory. Yeah. And that's for me that today to see where psychiatics are today, like specifically today, how it's the explosion that, you know. And it's, I believe that this is a territory. that a huge space was no limits that can't be contained.

So studying psychedelics of limits, not the psychedelic itself. That's a study that, you know, for me that, you know, like trying to study something that is like that that can be, yeah, that that's that's that I can see the limitation in it. And, but it's interesting and important that, so I don't know if I really answer your question. I've traveled, I travel like a lot and I'm still traveling that I'm French. So I started in France and I live in Jamaica and us in six years. I work here.

and every culture, every culture, every, every, every culture, every people is a new lesson for me, you know, that each country of, like I was saying, that here in Jamaica, I learned respect. That's a nice word that they love to use and, yeah, the pride, the respect. So I love this, Jamaican pride and respect that they have and I'm learning from it. So it's, yeah, every day, every day is a lesson. Yeah. It's interesting. You've been in so many different places.

And sometimes in the world of psychedelics, we often talk about this idea of set and setting, you know, making sure that you're in the right space or that you have the right tools around you. what do you think about different cultures? How do, in your opinion, how do different cultures affect set and setting? Like we have different ideas about what's comfortable, relationships and family. Have you noticed some differences and some similarities in using psychedelics in different parts of the world?

And how does culture play an effect on that? I'm going to answer something. I don't know if that's going to be. That's, you know, that's making me think about iOS scale and about my experience. They're traveling in South America and seeing like lots of people coming out of like iOS care retreat or iOS care journey and to what and I've just popped up like studies about talking with someone about it. I believe that taking IOSCA for Western people is very different than taking iOS. when you're in a tribe, you know, you know the shaman since you're born.

You're part of this tribe. You owe all the support that. And ayahuasca is already in your DNA, like compared to like a Western person that is going to come, like, take ayahuasca for the first time and don't really have like the psychological and mental and emotional support of the tribe. And I've seen so many people being more disturbed before, after than before, that, you know, that iOS can bring like so many questions that, you know, that can overwhelm you and, and you can get lost, more lost than before. So to answer your question that I definitely think that, yeah, We are Western people and Iowaska is for indigenous people.

And that's important to be conscious of this. Like really the certain settings and the surrounding and the people that that can contends the even after the journey. That are you using it? What you're going to? That's the integration. that how are you going to integrate this experience in your life and coming out of it? And I'm not sure that as Western people, we have all the tools to do it, and that can be disturbing. And specifically with the iOS credit, I believe it's not as gentle as Salosivan.

For me, like Salosim, is the gentle people, as the gentle people. much less challenging than IOSCAD can be much more challenging. So yeah, they said and setting plays an important role. In terms of other culture, I was discussing yesterday was a young person that she's studying psychology. And I was talking, and she wants to specialize with autism.

And I was speaking about this person that I met that is, like, working with salocybin and psychedelics and autism. Wow. And yeah, very interesting. And she was saying that during her teenage, that they were having so much. And that's the United States, they were having so much message about drugs. and about drugs enforcement and say no to drugs and that she's saying that's difficult for her to to like see psychedelic that is a class one drugs that you know to now to like to see it that you know they've so much been brainwashed that it's bad is addictive it's like you know now to to kind of you know the

changed their mind about it. They've been that's, that they, that they, that, like, a very caring, like, a very negative, how do you say, the very negative, the, very negative name. Like, I don't, I don't know how to say it, but, yeah. Like a stigma.

Yeah. So yeah, culture can play, the setting of culture can play an important role that on the drugs that are going to be used and are you using it if it's like accepted or not or yeah, definitely. That I can imagine for Asian person it's going to be like more difficult. You know, I've seen like Asian taking, like, psychedelic, it's like more, yeah, it's less accepted. And then I don't know in my country in France that, like, you know, everybody's so many million people like smoking like hash that, you know, it's like something that's so common that, you know, or even here in Jamaica, like smoking ash, you know, there is, yeah, there is, there is believe and, and. yeah, everywhere. This is okay, this is not okay. This is like, you know, put you into category, you know.

So, yeah, that I believe so. What is accepted and not, like in India, you know, if you're sadu, you can smoke in the street and that, you know, and you can have also, like, if you're not saddled, you can have like almost like a descent, like a death imprisonment, like a life is. imprisonment that, you know, for the same thing, like the same plant, like, you know, that, you know, say, oh, I'm a sadu. I'm a sadu.

But one, one, it's okay, and the other one, that, you know, you got to life imprisonment. That, you know, where is the logical there? I'm just like, yeah, we're sure that it's interesting that our drugs are treated, like, and we call it drugs, like, yeah, what's culture, what's okay, what's not okay. Yeah. On some level, I think it's similar when we look at the way our ideas and our behaviors are kind of handed down to us through our family or culture. I think we start thinking about generational trauma, which you help a lot of people with. It's those same sort of patterns in our life, whether it's negative talk and the inner dialogue that we say to ourselves, that maybe our parents said to ourselves, or maybe it's something that happened to our grandma or a grandfather, but now it's been you know, transmuted to us somehow. And maybe you could speak to some of that. I know you do a lot of work with transgenerational. Maybe you could define what that is and some of the things that you have noticed about it.

That's, you know, what you just said, inscripted in our DNA. It's information inscripted in our DNA. So, so basically, maybe let's define trauma. Yeah, because, you know, trauma is so many people that say that, you know, I don't have any trauma. And, you know, and I can say that we are all one way or another carrying trauma. That we, unfortunately, I see humanity and even more those last years that we have spent. You know, we have.

So I always give an example about trauma. That's a terrible one, but you know, the 9-11. Most of all the people remember exactly something about the 9-11. How, what you were doing or what like, you know, so this is like a very traumatic event. So what is a trauma is that you can like picture something. It's a, it's a memory that doesn't evolve. That's a stick memory. That's something that is there.

And this is not normal. If I tell you about the 23 November, you know, 2000, you know, you're not to remember this. That's like less than a year ago. You don't remember anything. But if I tell you about the 9-11, you're going to remember something. Like, you know, something very clear. Like if that was like present.

if you were there present. So a trauma is that when that you are like then and there. And not here and now. So you ear and now and ear and now you are then and there. And you can like you said, like repeat the then and there. Different way. But you know the same kind of scenario. Same kind of emotion.

And this is like a traumatic memory that's repeat. and that can be passed on from one generation to the other. I'm going to be more clear. I don't know if I'm very clear. A trauma, it's a memory that is coming from the past and it's still there and your present that event evolved. This is a trauma. So simple, I've been abandoned in the past

and I've been abandoned by your parent in the past. and maybe I can be abandoned today by a friend, a lover, you know. So I'm going to re-experience exactly the same emotion, this abandonment. And that can be from, like, you know, transgenerational that, you know, this abandonment can be lingering in the family. Or that can be, like, you know, sometimes what you see, like, you know, that money problem, that, you know, that things, that, that, that, are repeated or or abuse or that can be many things or just like maybe like trauma of omission is a good one that not

everybody knows like what is trauma of omission like is lack of of affection like of care that you know when when we not receiving enough love and attention as a child that we all need, that we need to leave, to survive. That's a survival that we see that children that don't receive care, let themselves die. You know, there's extreme cases. So this is, you know, this deprivation of love, care and affection, it's a lot. And if like big consequences and and one of the biggest consequences often is that people use like any addiction to to replace it. So you know, addiction is a big self-medication for lack of love often that, you know, for lack of love.

of of connection, you know, this, and today we are so much disconnected that, you know, so much. So obviously, they're probably people having more and more addiction that one way or another. We got the super, right. This is like, you know, this is replacing, like, you know, the connection that we can't have with people. And we need it. We need it to survive. We are social animals. So, yeah.

I don't know. So we've defined, like, trauma and about, like, like, how it's passed on from generation to generation. is just like, you know, it's just what we leave. And like you were saying, like limiting beliefs that we have and how we grow, that are we enough or not? Have we felt enough? You know, and today, if we were not enough as a child, like, you know, we're still not enough as an adult.

And that's what we live every day, that not being enough. So not having self-love, self-confidence. And that's all the things can be helped with Silo Sao Saip. And that's, you know, this is a great tool. There's definitely a great tool that had to help us to connect with, was this part of us that's completely disconnected. this child that we tend to push away that we tend to ignore and that is suffering. That is like self-medicating itself or just like forgetting that there is this part of

our self inside us that's suffering at numbing, numbing this part, this emotion part. Yeah, it's, when I hear it put like that, a lot of the people that I speak to and my family, myself included and a lot of people I care about. And just in society in general, you see all these people with all these problems that we all have, whether it may be anxiety, depression, PTSD, some eating disorders, you know, whether you're getting too much or too little. But all of these seem to be a manifestation of hiding something, not wanting to think about something, or repetitively not continuing to think about it without thinking about it in the right way. And it seems that modern medicine has been born out of this.

It seems that a lot of the treatments that we have, like SSRIs and, you know, a lot of these addiction therapies that we have, they're never really meant for the individual to confront the problem that's bothering them. They're just meant to put a Band-Aid on it or for you to put it back in that box and push it back way down deep and not think about it anymore. And it seems to me through my experience that psilocybin especially has been a way for you to walk up to the problem and. stare at it from a third person point of view and be like, oh, I get it. That, you know what the

problem is? I have this silly song on repeat. Let me just move the record over here, you know, or, but it allows you to see the traumatic experience in a, in a light without judging. And when you as an individual do that, now all of a sudden you can fix your problem. No one else can fix your problem for you. And we've relied on that for so long. And people love each other and they care and they want to help people, but no one can begin to solve their problem truly until they solve it for themselves. And I think psilocybin allows an individual a safe spot to do that, right? Does that sound kind of accurate? What do you think about that? That's 100% that's completely you're, I love it. You're right. Can I can I just summarize?

Please. So alopathy is treating symptoms and salocybin is. going to reveal the cause. And if you have the cause, the baseline, you can heal. Because taking medication to hide the problem will never heal you. That just like, you know, and the body is, you are not feeling good because your body is telling you, your body is talking to you. There is a problem. There is a here. I'm not happy. And that's your inner child that is saying, I'm not happy. So now you're saying to your inner, I say, shh, but the inner child is going to come back. It's going to come back. And that's why, like, you know, people take, like, multiple medication and go back into other one. And it never worked because the source of the problem is not solved.

And it's still like, you know, this inner child is still like talking to you that I'm not happy. You are there pushing me, shutting me down. And it's still like, I'm still unhappy. And anxiety is also that, you know, it's a lack of resilience that, you know, you're not able to, you know, anxiety is fear. Fear of something that's never going to happen. It's fear of, yeah, but that's fear of the, of the non-existing thing that all the multiple things that could happen that will never happen.

And it's there. And we can calm it because we're not, like, we disconnected. We're disconnected. So, you know, how I see things and the company that I've created is called Sopradelic. So it's a mix of Soprology that is like a technique that it's a guided meditation, dynamic guided meditation. Yeah, that's the, and that that help you. It's up you a lot to deal with stress.

that help you to align body and mind. And when I talk about the mind for me, the mind is the ego, is your cortex, is your adult self, is the persona, what you have created to be accepted in the society since you're born. This is the adult self. This is the persona. This is the cortex. And so, sophrology is connecting, helping you to connect the body and mind.

And on the other side, you've got the psychedelic, so that's why sophrodelic, you know. And on the other side, you've got the psychedelic that going to help you connect your inner child. And the inner child is the limbic system, is also your emotional brain, it's all, it's your shadow, everything that you've been suppressing and hiding that is not negative because I don't see the shadow as something negative I see the shadow of something very positive where you've got all your gift, where you have your essence, but that have been suppressed by your family, by society.

This is the shadow. That is not okay. It's not politically correct. You can't be yourself. What makes people suffer the most is just hiding themselves, pretending to be something they're not. Can you imagine how it's hiring it is? Constantly, like, you know, just like reassess yourself

to just pretend to be like something that, you know, to please other. Instead of being like free, happy and to be like feeling safe that I can be myself. It's okay to be me. And this is your child. This is your shadow. This is the inner child. And when you have like your inner child, that can be, that can be because your inner child is all the energy, all the emotion,

all that, you know, all that what makes me happy. And I know my needs. And when you've got your emotion needs that align with your body and mind, you know, you're happy, you're free. and that's this disconnection that makes people an api and let's make this disease mental physical we're not aligned we're not connected we're un-uppy

so the protocol and the work the protocol that have developed is really to our people being conscious of this disconnection and to give them tools to reconnect completely body mind and soul So. Yeah, it's an amazing time to be alive and get to see this. You know, I think it brings up another point that I find pretty fascinating too. And it's this, there seems to be a revealing of interconnectedness and unity on some levels in these heightened states of awareness.

You know, when you when you find yourself at the people, experience, you get this realization that you're part of the whole. You're part of this, the whole organism on some level. And that's a really freeing thing to feel too. It's like, oh, you can take a deep breath from it and be like, oh, this is all me. That's all me, you know? That's an interesting concept to think about too and pretty healing at seems at times. You know, yeah, that's something that is very common when you have a psychedelic experience

to experience the whole, to experience the unity, to experience. And as a witness of this experience, you know, every time somebody tap into anything, any knowledge, any deep knowledge that, you know, and they come back with growing, you know. And so this is something that I believe that we all grow as humanity, as one. We all evolve. We all evolve. And I, you know, there's something that I have experienced recently in the last year.

I see the human body as like very perfect that can heal itself. Yeah, I'm as an holistic therapist. Like, you know, I really believed it that we got everything inside us to heal ourselves. And the body is white blood cells. And I see what you're describing, like humanity, like, you know, as one big organism. you're saying. And I can see that in this big organism, more and more people are raving like white blood cells, like the healers, shaman, like, you know, all these people that we, you know, the humanity of so many, we, we are more and more like you see that having like

anxiety, depression. But I can, I can. I can see also at the same time raising all those people that want to come, like the psychedelics, that everything, you can see that there is a counterbalance that is happening to kind of help humanity. That, yeah, we are getting disconnected, but there is more and more people that are trying to be there and do something to help other to reconnect. So I'm very positive still. I really believe that, you know, this is this phase transition of, you know,

we need to regress, to integrate, to progress. So we can see that this is a regression in humanity. But, you know, in therapy, and it's often when people are going to stop the therapy, is during the regression phase because, you know, it's dark and like, you know, and you think that, okay, like, I'm not, I'm going nowhere. But in fact, in fact, that's the best time

because you need to have this regression to integrate the knowledge to, and to progress more and higher. So it's not like, you know, in therapy, it's not linear. It's just like, you know, you come, you start from zero and you, go up and you say, oh, that's great, and you regress, and you regress. But when you regress

is terrible, you think that, but, but, you know, you're far away from where you started. So it's still positive that, you know, we're doing much better as, as human also. And I think that, yeah, the spades of regression is going to be very positive in the future. I love it. Yeah, I think it's beautiful. I see the same vision. I love the metaphor and the way in which you describe it. In some levels, it makes me think that it makes me feel as if the answer, like, you can change, by being the change that you want to see in the world, you know, you provide other people

with the options to take that same path, the same way, too positive, charge. charges can change the charge of a negative nucleus around it. Two people that are positively making change, they can change the other people around them by changing themselves. And that's the change that we see happening. Right now, all these people that you were speaking about who have decided to become a more authentic version of themselves. By doing that, they're changing their environment, their relationships,

and the way they see the world. And that's contagious. You know, and why not? If we can look at health, when we look at a cold or the flu, we're like, oh, it's contagious. Why wouldn't health be contagious the same way? The more of us become healthy, that becomes a contagious thing that infects other people. And I know we think about infecting as a negative connotation, but it doesn't have to be, right? Infecting someone with beauty and wellness is a good thing.

No, but I love it because, you know, there's exactly every time I'm consciously, for me when I'm giving salos having to people it's just like you know I see the mesolium just like spreading like you know I'm giving I'm giving silos iron to you

but the love that you're going to yourself is going to be spread all around you and it's just going to be like my silium that's exactly what I see that you know you're completely agreeing with your vision that you know and I see it like in terms of

must sell him. Yeah, spreading love. Of course. Of course, that's what I'm trying to do. I guess spread love. Like, you know, yeah. Yeah. It's so amazing to me. It's, you know, how do you, we've touched on this a little bit, but, you know, when you, when you meet with people and you talk to them and you're learning and you're helping and you're discovering, how do you think, exploring your inner world through psychedelics can impact the way individuals relate and connect with others like what do you think it's a relationship there you can only give what you receive what you have so i see it i see it a lot you know that i always say that we're talking about self-love or you need to love yourself and I've always find it like very hard to hear this.

Why don't you love yourself? It's just like, you know, that it's so painful and so terrible. If I was knowing what you're talking about, that, you know, of course I will do it, that, you know, it seems like love yourself. it's it's painful to hear this to people that you know that seems to be like so simple so

what's beautiful is that I've seen so many time I just remember there was like a few days ago somebody just like you know on Silo Sao and just saying to me

like you know And you feel, I love myself. I feel so good. I love myself that, you know. And you can see and feel that the person for the first time is just feeling it, experiencing this love that we are talking about. But until that, you know, you don't know what we're talking about. It's just, and the example that I'm using is that I'm using, I live in Jamaica and there is Aki.

Aki is a kind of a fruit that, you know, I can describe it and describe how it tastes and everything until tomorrow morning. But, you know, until you're going to test it and yourself and knowing exactly how does it feel and, you know, it's just words.

You know, and it's the same thing. Love yourself is just words. Yep. And when you're going to be able to experience, like really like this love, this connecting with like this deep love and feeling it in every piece of your body, every cells of your body, like, you know, this crazy sensation of love, of feeling safe, or, you know, completely just like, and people laughing, loving that why am I like so anxious that life is so one,

before and feeling and you see like, you know, this, this deep emotion that they're having inside themselves, like laughing about themselves, loving about life, laughing about, like, how ridiculous it is to be so stress and so stress for nothing. It's huge. It's huge. So this is an experience that now they can go back to because now they know what they're talking. about. They know where they have to like the pass. This is a new neuropassway

that have been created and they can go back and tap into it. Now they know what it's still to and this experience, this love, now they have it. And if they cultivate it, if they walk the path,

you know, they can make it grow. And when they make it grow, now they got love. They got self-love and now they can share it with others. And that's to answer your question, that's the way that you can share with others is that first to give it to yourself and to experience it for yourself. And that's the magic of mushrooms. Mushroom are not miraculous, but they magical. They up you like, you know, experience things that you've never experienced before. And that's great. That's wonderful. And I love it. I love to see people like having this awakening of emotion, of positive emotion, of positive love for themselves.

It's beautiful. Yeah. I love the idea of walking the path, but first you have to create that bridge in your own mind. It's so powerful to think. And for those who have experienced, like, they know this overwhelming feeling of like, wait a minute, I'm a pretty awesome person. Wait a minute.

You know what? I did some pretty good things. And all of a sudden, you build this muscle. And that's what gives you the strength to attract more of it into your life. It's so sad on some levels to think how we've been conditioned. And I don't know if it's generational trauma or it's this world we're born into, but it seems that for so many of us, this idea of self-love or maybe it starts with self-awareness and self-respect and self-love and it's all of it.

But on some level, it's been conditioned out of us. at a certain age and to reconnect with that feeling is it's so wonderful. The source, love, love source, like, yeah, definitely. And I think that as a facilitator, as a person that holding a space, it's very important to convey it. You know, the way I work that, you know, the protocol that I've created is that I'm embodying mother archetype. And like, like, it's important to, like I say,

that to the container to almost like help people to be in a warm, in a safe warm and to give and to provide unconditional law to the people that are journeying. So the way I work is that, you know, for me, the facilitator needs to be this warm, needs to be this safe space. And the people can journey inside. That's why I call it also agnostic, is that, you know,

I don't come with my belief that, you know, I'm providing just a safe space. People come journey. They don't need any guide. They don't need any guidance. That's why I also did, you know, I don't use any psychedelics when I'm holding space for someone. This is not my journey. Nobody needs anyone to journey with them.

That, you know, that I'm there. I'm holding there. And like, you know, I'm there to be there to just like a crutch. Like, you know, that if they need me, if they need to be safe, I'm there. But this is the on journey. I don't have to guide any one where. Where am I going to guide you? You're the only one that knows where to guide yourself.

So this is important that people understand that, you know, one day journey with psychedelics. They can tap in their inner guide. They tap in the higher self. They got it all. they need to trust themselves. And the person outside the facilitator is just there to provide a container

where they're going to be able to journey. And that's very important for self-enpowerment. You know, because psychedelics help you to raise self-confidence. And that's your journey. You can do it by yourself. And specifically that, you know, people have like a bit challenging experience that you know coming out the way that you know that they've they've

done it that you know and they know that they can redo it in normal life so that's their journey that's people journey that's people's healing they come to heal themselves and everybody has the power to heal himself and yeah and as what i do is just like provide a safe space where you can come heal yourself and tools to do it. Yeah. I couldn't agree anymore. Sometimes I wonder with all of the medicalization terminology being used with psychedelics, sometimes I wonder if this container, you know, there's a lot of people trying to find ways

to profit from it and use it as more of an institution than an instrument. And I think when that happens, when the instrument becomes the institution, that's when the problems begin. Because it's no longer about the individual and their journey. It's about the institution now. And I'm wondering, do you see that, do you see the same sort of issue on the horizon where it's trying to be too medicalized? Okay, let's be positive. Yeah, of course.

Let's be positive. You know, I definitely believe in psychedelics. send out that, and I'm going to say something. People need to be responsible for their choice. They need to be responsible for the facilitator that they're going to choose. That's their journey. That's their responsibility. Don't go like in anywhere with a facilitator or retreat or anything before, like,

really questioning that, you know, is this person, is this place okay for me? that's that's the responsibility of the people just check like you know when you're doing therapy with a therapist just you have to like you know to test your therapist is this person is safe for me is this person is able to understand me is this person is able and have the capacity and the tools to help me you need to question all this yeah so going back to to the medical world, some people need this. Some people need, you know, like I said it, for me it's agnostic. But some people are going to need the shaman setting with the music, with the guide,

they want a guide, they want the music, they want this container because that's what they think that they're going to have the best experience being guided, being, like in this container. And some people need a container was like a medical world because they will feel safer there. So of course, of course,

that the medical world is trying to and it's going to be the same thing. Find the genuine and right person in every, as a shaman, as a doctor, as a psychiatrist, as a psychologist, as a facilitator, as a guide, whatever, find the good person and the right person that's going to provide the right work. They're going to genuinely, what's the intention? You know, every time, like, you know, I'm going to ask you that you want to.

your journey, what's your intention? Are we asking, what's my intention? I have an intention. I do have an intention doing my work. I want the world to be like, you know, a nice place where everybody is happy. But, you know, we're like, you know, like, listen, I'm going to feel safe. You know, if everybody is happy, there's no more reason to, you know, everything's going to be cool and we're going to leave in la la land and like, you know,

did the care bear land and yeah and I'm going to be good and happy there that's my intention helping people to live in a wonderful world and if it's a utopia it's cool but it's that's my life and you know like every people that I help to be happy that's you know that's spreading my salium happiness and freedom and just like and that's great yeah I I agree to I on some level I think that I love the idea that there are different containers because I think the people seek out the container they need. Maybe they're drawn to that particular type of person in that particular area and that particular type of setting. Who are we to really judge what that person wants or needs? Some people have the resources to go to this certain person and that's who they need to go to. Like if that's what they're being called, that's where

they should go to. And it's wonderful to look at it from that perspective and spread this idea of positivity. you know, and you know, another area that people may not be aware of is this idea of harm reduction. And you've been great at it. You have done it not only where you are in Jamaica, but you've gone to different festivals. And I was wondering maybe if you could talk about this idea of harm reduction in different settings. Like, how has some of the work been done at festivals that you see? Maybe you can speak about some experiences there. That was the, yeah, I think that I can share this there too.

That was the, that I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to. be mean, but you know, but that was like the, that was like the funniest experience. So I was at a festival, and so the person, they took some GHB, and the girl, like, was like feeling like really bad. So her boyfriend said that, okay, you know what? I'm going to give you a bit of cocaine for feeling better. And he messed up the packet and gave her some ketamine instead. Yeah, I've seen it. Sorry.

Sorry. So, you know, she was feeling like even worse. So he brought her like to. And so yeah, this is this is like, okay, that this. I'm just, I find it funny because, you know, I could imagine that my boyfriend doing this to be. And just like how upset I would. in big contact, you know.

So, and yeah, nothing on, I'm not saying to take any drugs or anything or to mix anything together, but that's just like, you know, that's the thing. You're doing harm reduction. You're not there to judge. Right. You're just there to provide like a safe space and helping people to,

to, that are overwhelmed that, you know, to, to feel better, to, to feel safe. That so I, when I was going to festival, I was using lots of drugs. So it did. And I was getting older. And I was just thinking that, you know, now. And the analogy I was seeing is that, you know, when you're in a tribe, and I was thinking the psychedelic tribes that now it's time I'm getting older,

it's time to take care of the younger. Yeah. Without judging them that we are there, we're just like party. And that's for sure that when you're going to a trans-psychadic festival, you're going to want to take psychedelics and you're going to want to party and experience like, you know, drugs for recreational. And personally, I think that there is benefit. Yeah.

And you think drugs recreationally, like the same thing that, you know, in the right set and settings that, you know, So it's important to help inform and to be there to protect the younger people. So that's in this frame of mind that, you know, I have to give back to the community, to the psychedelics community, because for me, this is a work that needs to be done, like volunteering, that, you know, I'm older and I'm going to take care of the younger. And I'm going to teach, to, I'm going to, I'm going to, to provide information to help not judging to be there and to protect.

So I think that as society, I think that that's the way that we should deal with drugs because that's very simple. We're using drugs. You know, we do use drugs. So that the thing that, you know, just drugs should be legal, any drugs and be like protected and and, and, and, and, and, and, and people that, you know, there is no reason because we see that all the problems are because it's not legal. That's when all the problems are coming because, you know, you're going to affect a mix with the, you know, but if everything is permitted, people can experience, you know, in a safe, in a safe, a way like I know and and why would we not be allowed to experience something if that's what we want while we're not free to experience what we want that that doesn't

make really sense and when we see that you know like drugs like sugar alcohol and tobacco are legal drugs that having like worse side effect than all the other one that you know and they okay So I'm for legalization of all drugs and to like, you know, not punishing and more informing, giving information and helping people to experience in a safe environment. So that's that's the frame of mind that I do, I do risk reduction. No harm. Like, you know, that no judgment, no harm.

Of course we're curious. Of course we want to. and yeah that's a protected environment. And you can see that, you know, 40,000 people like, you know, in like crazy condition that, you know, taking so much drugs and using so much drugs, there is not much, like, problem at the end, you know.

And I don't want to do like advertise that take drugs or anything. But this is like, you know, this is we human and we trying things. So it's better to try it like in the right condition, the right set and setting, the right drugs. So that's my point of view. Yeah, I think it's wonderful. On some level, it seems that the psychedelic festival, be it a grateful dead concert or a music festival, somewhere like this is a rite of passage it's been absent from the western culture for so long you know it used to be that and still is in some areas that you know if you're going to have a psychedelic

experience if you're a native american you would have gone with an elder to learn how to use it if you're in south america like you said you have a tribe of people that have a system a ceremony and a right of passage where you understand hey here's here's a way in which i can not only interact with my environment different, but I can think different. But we don't have any of those rails around us. It's like, this is taboo. Don't do it. So, you know, and of course you can't tell someone not to do something. That's like saying, don't think of purple elephants. You can start thinking about it, right? And so us as children, we go and we have these substances with no guard rails, but it is. I think that the idea of recreation on some level has taken is taken out of context. It's almost ceremonial

in a way. And when you do it, when you have this incredible experience, with like-minded people, you really begin to see the world differently. You begin to think differently. And maybe it's time we have an adult conversation about rights of passage and ceremonies. And that could be the first step into legalization. I love it. No, no, I love it that, you know, that, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Yeah, I always see that the world dividing to the people that have taken psychedelic and the rest. that, you know, it's, I definitely, yeah, I believe. The question is that should everyone take psychedelics? My answer is do whatever you feel doing. Yeah, you know, if you think that psychedelic is not for you, listen to yourself. Yeah. But if you think that psychedelic is for you, I think as society, we should provide because nature

provides psychedelics so as society we should provide the safe environment for people to try nature yeah yeah there's a great quote great quote this has something along the lines

of the things that you're interested in are interested in you so if you find yourself thinking about psychedelics good chance that they're calling you you know for sure And you need to listen to yourself for sure.

For sure. And people say that, oh, that, you know, that, yeah, that suddenly they say that I feel that, I feel that it's time for me to try this. And I'm hearing it like often. It's interesting too. I've been speaking to so many fascinating people, yourself included. And, you know, one of the things that I began thinking about is I've been speaking to a lot of scientists who are trying to discover like, the mechanism of action in the brain. Like, what's going on?

Is it the 5H2A receptor? You know, they have all this research and all this knowledge and stuff. And the question that comes to mind with, for me, is, you know, maybe mushrooms or some of these plant medicines are, in fact, neurotransmitters or just exogenous neurotransmitters. They're neurotransmitters that are out in nature that help us communicate with nature. to help us understand nature's language. And do you think that that theory is too far out there? It seems on some level there's a linguistic or there's an exchange of information that happens

when you're in these heightened states of awareness, especially on psilocybin for me. It seems to me that it allows me to interpret nature in a way I never could had I not had those. What do you think about that particular idea? Okay, I just one idea pop up into my mind now, because I've got a look maybe different theory. I believe that this is going to quieten some part of your ego, quietening some part of your ego. So, you know, I see the, the, um, the sorry i'm just going to turn this up um so you have the yeah you have the lambic brain and the

cortex so like the adult and so and so it's going to up you quieten your cortex and up you to connect with your limbic system and your instinct so now I believe that what we are able to do constantly all the time that we're not doing anymore because we are too much in our cortex. We too much in our mind. We suddenly connected to nature just because we are very present because it's it's shut up. It's quiet. So you are in a big meditative state that allow you you to just connect. I don't think that's really the substance that,

you understand what I am. That's because it's, it's, it's, you've got your mind, your cortex sleeping, and that's you in the state that, that, that is there constantly, but that, that, you know, now it's amplified. And now you're able to hear. You're able to connect.

You're able to. But if you train it, the more you train your instinct that's that's the thing for for people that that that have been to lots of trauma and their childhood they have like this like more developed than others that you know like instinct they got more more instinct that so i believe that it's there it's there always always always there, and psychedelic can just make it more loud or make you hear it more connected. But you don't need, basically, you should not need, like, psychedelic to be having, I believe that animals are on psychically constantly. That in some ways that, you know what I mean, that we need it because we have lost this because, you know,

this connection, this brain is in 2020, I was supposed to go do like a conference about like humans, trains by machine. And I was talking about ADHD specifically and about the fact that you know, it was all the computer

and everything that our cortex and was more and more developed and that we were less and less connected to our emotion and to and that we were having to evolve to compete with the machine, to process like all the information. And for me, ADHD is not like a disease,

it's more adaptation of the brain to survive. It's a survival adaptation because to treat like information. And we can see that now it's even more the case. We even more disconnected from our emotion after whatever happened during the COVID and we more connected with machine. We more like we're more connected to machine than to our instinct. And that has an visible impact on our brain, you know, our cortex and our like, you know, the shape of our brain like inside like completely modifies. the fact that psychedelics are more and more prominent in our society now, it's really because it's a need.

We need to reconnect. We definitely need to reconnect like our mind and instinct. We need to reconnect to our instinct to survive. So that's the way I see it. It's connecting with your instinct, helping you to connect with your instinct, to the soul, to your essence, to yourself, to, to the O, to, what Psychedelic does for me. That for me, that I think that's like for everyone.

Yeah, I love that. I never heard anyone use that idea that ADHD and perhaps some other issues like that are adaptations. But it makes perfect sense. Like that's a great, I never, thank you for sharing that. I've never heard that before. That's beautiful. I can see that in Avenue. It makes sense.

That's, yeah, that's, we are in a time of transhumanism that, you know, that we, our brain is shaped by machine. That, you know, we need to be conscious of it. And specifically the young generation that, you know, our brain is like kind of still neuroplastic and still like completely changing all the time. and we need to be like really conscious of the disconnection was was the soul. It's interesting. I think you can map it through literature.

You know, if you look at the way in which our metaphors have become mechanistic. We use mechanistic metaphors to describe nature. That's so crazy, right? No, but it's, that's, that's, it is crazy. that we are losing our soul. This is crazy, yes. Yeah, or ignoring it. Ignoring it. And now we're back to the idea. And that's why.

And that's why we are more and more suffering from anxiety and depression in our society. That's completely the reason is this disconnection with the soul. That's so simple to understand. For me, it's like, you know, very, very. And where the trauma is playing a role is that because you have lots of trauma and different like, like developmental trauma, is there trauma and the childhood like multiple trauma, multiple layers of trauma and transgenerational trauma, that you have less resilience. Yeah.

You have less and less resilience to be able to heal or to be able to go back to like this, this, this, this place where you feel like happy, safe, in peace. And yeah, that's so, yeah, that's a conscious, for me, that's really, I'm really consciously knowing what I'm doing. And if I've created this protocol is like really like, everything that really sense for me that helping, helping people, that really reconnecting to heal, like, you know, that helping them, that's in the connection and the consciousness and connection that you will find safety, healing, peace, love, helping people re-parent themselves. There's so many, so many ways that, you know, just like the fact that that women have started to work, all this, all society that, you know, so kids were not, like, you know, able to.

So it's like layers of trauma, like the wars, like the two big wars and everything and like all the loss and that we're carrying that. And now like, you know, this big trauma that have been like the COVID and just like, you know, it's just like adding up, piling up that, you know. And yeah, we need to to stop and pose and reconnect. Yeah. It's interesting to look at it from that angle and then try and, you know, if we talk about, or during the conversation, we talked about regression and then growth, regression and growth. And you can, if you look at that cycle inside yourself, you know, you can see it throughout the world. Or maybe you need to look at the world and then look at yourself.

However do you choose to view that cycle, it's amazing to see where we're at right now. And if you think about it from a generational point of you, like we had this giant influence. of baby boomers, like this giant generation of people and they expand it so far, but now this particular generation of people is they're getting older in age. And in some ways, if you look at all of us as an organism, as humankind as an organism on an organism, it's interesting to think about where we're at right now and all the calamities that are happening on some level, we're getting to see a large portion of our body moving on or transforming in some way. So why wouldn't there be so much calamities right now? Why wouldn't we be on the cusp of war?

When we're looking at a generation of people who may be carrying unrealized dreams with them and they're coming to the end of this transformation, like, why wouldn't we be at a crescendo right now, right? Like, it makes sense. Hmm. Just a theory. There's a great book called The Fourth Turning that begins to speak about people and generations and bridges of knowledge, right? from one class to the next class, and it's almost ceremonial in its setting. But once you begin seeing the world like that,

or whether it's through regression and growth, you can almost use that lens to see anything through. And in some ways, it helps to bring clarity to the situation on some levels. And I think it's a great way to do it. Like the same way psychedelics help you see yourself in a third person point of view, so too is it helpful to see the world we live in

from a third person point of view. And I think you can extrapolate some of the same same sort of conditions happening. Oh, that's happening in my life. Of course it's happening outside of this life. It's, and in some ways, it's very fulfilling and therapeutic to be like, hey, it's not, it's not just me. It's happening to everybody right now. Like, in some ways, that releases the pressure from you and be like, oh, okay, I thought it was just me. Yeah. And just accepting to be ourselves. Yeah. accepting to be ourselves.

That's the, yeah, that's the, freeing ourselves from all this conditioning, societal conditioning that, you know, mental slavery. Yeah. Yeah. Being free, being ourselves. Yeah, I think it was Bob Marley from Jamaica

who said, yourself from mental slavery for none by ourselves before your mind. Yeah, that's why I was referring to it, yeah. Right, respect. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. I love it. I love it.

And by the way, I would like to, yeah, I would like to say that Jamaica is not the country that you can hear it as like, it's a very loving, safe country compared to, like, some people are scared to come in Jamaica because it's so, yeah, Jamaicans are super cool. They're very welcoming and the country is pretty safe. I feel very safe here. Yeah. That's interesting.

That's a beautiful place for awakening. Yeah. You guys are the tip of the spear. Like the laws in Jamaica make it, make it okay for for plant medicine and for medicine. Maybe you could talk about what's happening in Jamaica where you are and the psilocybin industry and maybe you can speak to that a little bit. Wow. It's exploding. It's exploding that you know, I'm just, yeah,

it's so very interesting that saying that some people one year ago they were not even knowing what psalocybin is and now they kind of expert that, you know, there is like retreat popping up from ear, and there, like, so many retreat that everybody wants to, you know, that the, I don't know the name in English, the, la rue and then I don't know that when, you know, when in America, that they had gold, like, everybody was coming to America to get gold. Yeah, the gold rush, like, you know, this is the, this is, I've been gold rush that, you know, that's what I see, that, yeah, by the way, there is not such a thing as a psychedelic expert from,

me that doesn't exist that, you know, that, yeah, I like to say it that if you can't tell me what's going to happen in my next trip, that, you know, you can't be an expert. So, yeah, and that's 40 years that I'm taking psychedelics, and I still don't have a clue about what's going to happen, like, you know, so there is not such a thing about psychedelic expert. So, yeah, it's exploding. it's great that I think that silozybin is very safe so that make it not that bad that everybody like can come and just like make himself like a facilitator because it's a safe substance So I also want to see it in a positive way.

So there is a lot of people that offer now retreat. So that's great. So there is more space for and one more time. It's the people that have to be conscious and careful that where are you going to go journey with who you're going to go journey you or you need to be responsible of yourself so there is good and bad facilitator there is good in bad retreat you know that's that's the responsibility of the people do you need to consciously choose the right people that you know ask question you know how people work like you know what their background just like

talk, I never going to journey with someone before knowing them. You know, they need to connect with me before. If I don't connect with the people that I'm going to, that are going to journey with me, that is not okay. They need to know, you need to know with all you're going to journey. You need to be for like registering to like a retreat or with a facilitator. You need to know them. This is, you know, you're going to be in an alternate state of conscience.

and a vulnerable position, just like feel safe and choose, decide. This is your responsibility. So, yeah, it's exploding here. There is a, yeah, this is a big industry. And hopefully we're going to all trying to keep it safe, as safe as possible. And I hope that, you know, I want to be, I'm in charge of ethics here in Jamaica. I want to be, you know, that that's important that people have ethics, you know, experience ethics.

It's exploding everywhere, not even here, that, you know. I'm so surprised about the number of psychedelic therapists of integration. So now you can go online and have like a three months, six months course and be a psychedelic expert. You know that like integration and and you know, this is so. And you know what? Maybe someone that has like a course, three months course, six months course will be more helpful to someone else than somebody did a PhD and everything. So, you know, choose, choose the right person for you. That, you know, that's the only thing that I can say that, you know, be smart.

It's exploding. And I believe that at the end, the best world state. So, you know, that that's what I can say that, you know, there is no. real competition and in therapy. You need to find the right person for you that you think of the tools to help you. So, yes, there is on the side of the facilitated therapist, there is ethics, there is, we have to be responsible on our side, but I'm warning and I'm saying to the public, be mindful and choose like wisely and you have the right to ask question you have the right to

to to know where where you're going with oh and and you have to be responsible of your healing you are responsible of yourself and you're healing you know that's the way to grow you're not you can't be a victim of people you have to be responsible of your journey of your healing I love it. I think it's fantastic. And Benedict, this conversation has been wonderful. I really enjoy talking to you and learning and talking to someone who's had some really cool experiences and has a passion for helping people. But before I let you go, where can people find you and what do you have coming up and what are you excited about? So I've conceded to people or more and more journey.

because it's legal now to journey and the United States so this is a new thing that I offer to people to offer them pre-session and information and risk reduction and offering them also integration session and in the middle they can like you know giving them a bit of guidance about that how like to to be like in the best set and settings that, like maybe they journey with people that they know, that people that they feel safe with, with the low dose, and offering like pre-session and integration session. So this is something that I've come up because I think that's important to include this in a session

and not everybody can afford to come travel in Jamaica, you know, so that's, that's, I thought of this. And some people also that they can facilitate, you know, some, I was speaking with some green nurse, you know, they can facilitate, but they don't have the background and the therapy to, you know, so they know how to sit for people, they can be there.

But, you know, having the therapy side that, you know, that they can offer also. So that's something that I offer now. Now I offer in Kingston also like one-on-one. It's like short, like one-station, people come for three days and it's one-on-one or for five days for two-session. and so that's more affordable. And after I ever retreat, I don't know if I can like say, I have a retreat that is open like from the two to the nine December. I do like retreats where we're not going to be like much people

because it's always like, you know, that works need to be done, so can't have too many people. That's going to be tree session. It's going to be in Treasure Beach and a nice place. So, yeah, so people can find me on, I've got Instagram, I've got a website. I'm not too much, like, social media, like, I know, this. I'm getting there, like, you know, but but i love to talk i love to yeah like yeah like if you're interested connect with me contact me and just like you know i've uh yeah that um i do i do psychedelic therapy that you know i up people so in the like post journey and yeah i i don't know that yeah i offer yeah i offer lots of different thing. I like to do alacques. I like to, you know, it's important to connect to the needs of people

and to listen to their needs. They know better than me what they need. You know, so listening, what do you want? What do you need? That, you know, that's a very important. As a Rogarian, like, I know, that not being end on, not to, like, guide too much people on what is, like, but you know that you know, you know what's good for you. so helping to provide what's good for you. I love it. I love the idea too that what you said earlier in the conversation about being the young person who was at the festivals and then coming to the idea of like, okay, now it's my turn to help. I think that there's a lot of experience in there of being someone who needed.

the help and now being the person that provides the help. And I think that that is something that I identify with. And I know a lot of people do too. So for everyone listening to this, go down in the show notes. If you're curious, go and check her out, check out her links on Instagram and her page. And if you're curious, do your own research and find out the people that call to you and do it responsibly and try to become the best version of yourself. Because I think when people begin becoming the best versions of themselves, the relationships get better, their life gets better, and the sun just seems to shine

a little bit brighter when that happens. So if you hang on, yeah, please. Can I just like, you know, just to advise for facilitated, practice not doing. And, you know, I was very blessed to be accepted again to be part of this organization. It's called Cosmic Care at Boom Festival this year.

I'm very blessed to be, like, you know, be part of it and to serve. And, you know, I like this word doula. Dula means like servant, slave and to be a servant to the mushroom and to serve. And when you're doing risk reduction, it's very important. You're serving and you're not doing therapy. Right. And you're very humble to just there, not to want to change anything.

You're just like practice not doing. And that's the best advice that I can share with, like, facilitated. This is not your journey. Just like people don't need any guidance. They don't need anything. They just need a safe space. Practice not doing. Be present.

Be there. No hour to old end or give a hug if it's needed. But practice not doing. It's not your journey. That's the people's journey. it's really well said it's really well said well hang on for briefly afterwards I'm going to talk to you briefly afterwards but for all of our friends

that's going to be our show for today ladies and gentlemen I hope you had a I hope you learned as much as I did and I hope you found the conversation as interesting as I did and I hope that you have a beautiful day and a beautiful evening or morning whenever you listen to this and that's all we got for today ladies and gentlemen aloha thank you very much yeah thank you for having me here

And yeah, I've also a wonderful day. Yeah. Okay. We did it. I think we hit this button.