TrueLife - Zachary Marlow - Transmissions From The Edge

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

One on One Video Call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_US🚨🚨Curious about the future of psychedelics? Imagine if Alan Watts started a secret society with Ram Dass and Hunter S. Thompson… now open the door. Use Promocode TRUELIFE for Get 25% off monthly or 30% off the annual plan For the first yearhttps://www.district216.com/Zachary MarlowThere are guests…and then there are cosmic detonations wearing human skin.Zachary Marlow is not just a man —he’s a frequency that burns through consensus reality like a solar flare through cellophane.He is what happens when a child sees through the lie of the worldand dares to dream with mythological violence.He’s wandered across five continents —not as a tourist,but as a pilgrim mapping the breakdown of our collective hallucination.From mental illness and addiction to the precipice of death itself,he died into truth —and was reborn as a practical visionary with dirt under his nailsand galaxies in his breath.This is the architect of a new myth,the mind behind “Another World Is Possible” —not just a film,but a cinematic ritual,a weaponized transmissiondesigned to collapse the false matrixand bloom the possible within the impossible.His voice weaves like mycelium through the dead soil of late capitalism,carving tunnels of lightthrough the dark machinery of despair.He doesn’t speak in opinions —he speaks in revelation.So if you’re here for surface talk and small stories…run.But if you feel that ancient thrum in your bones —that whisper that says this world is not enough —then stay.Lean in.Because this episode is a psychedelic initiation.And Zachary Marlow is your Virgil,your shaman,your time-bending cartographer of what comes next.Let’s go.https://www.anotherworld.earth/ One on One Video call W/George https://tidycal.com/georgepmonty/60-minute-meetingSupport the show:https://www.paypal.me/Truelifepodcast?locale.x=en_USCheck out our YouTube:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzfOaFtA1hF8UhnuvOQnTgKcIYPI9Ni9&si=Jgg9ATGwzhzdmjkg

Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Hears through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Kodak Serafini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. I hope everybody's having a beautiful day. Hope the sun is shining. Hope the birds are singing. Hope the wind is at your back.

I have with me today the one and only Zachary Marlowe. He's not just a man, he's a frequency that burns through consensus reality like a solar flare through cellophane. Here's what happens when a child sees through the lie of the world and dares to dream with mythological violence. He's wandered across five continents, not as a tourist, but as a pilgrim mapping the breakdown of our collective hallucination. From mental illness and addiction to the precipice of death itself, he died into truth and was reborn as a practice. visionary with dirt under his nails and galaxies in his breath. This is the architect of a new myth. The mind behind another world is possible. Not just a film, but a cinematic ritual,

a weaponized transmission designed to collapse the false matrix and bloom the possible within the impossible. His voice weaves like mycelium through the dead soil of late capitalism, carving tunnels of light through the dark machinery of despair. Zachary, thank you so much for being here today. How's your day going, my friend? Thank you for that invocation. invocation that was potent it was a spicy stilipa poetic uh you know sparkle of of uh strumming the threads

of uh of all the strange things that i'd done did uh a high form right i guess that's what storytelling is my day is going well um i woke up very early after going to bed very late i was up till 2 a m juggling four different projects um talking to genies and you know wizards and angels to crack, you know, incredibly complex psychological or, sorry, physiological or econophysical concepts to turn into new myths for a living world, which is what I do. Yeah, I mean, I'm just in it. And I woke up very early today to hash out some really tough, like, legal issues and clear, put out some fires and clear things up for a really important summit with a partner

not a client beyond a client and we we did it and everything is smooth everything is great everything is a it's barreling forward and we're composting the failures into the successes so as life hits me with more ridiculous slings and arrows of outrageous fortune or just mundane regular fortune I can deal with all of it because I know that I'm a part of a larger story and that's powerful that's that's a great place to be I'm feeling great how about yourself man well thanks for asking it's it's been a whirlwind too man I'm a big fan of going to bed late and getting up early like there's there's so much life to live but you know what Zachary I don't think you can get to that point of like abundance unless you've really

kind of had a breakdown unless you've kind of maybe lived a lie for a long time some people can do it and I wish I knew how they did it in the beginning but for me man it was a breakdown I had to slog through like 25 years of putting on a uniform and lying to myself and pretending I'm okay and trying to grapple with this word called normal, man. But other than that, I'm here now, man. I'm so stoked to be doing what I'm doing, talking to you. And it's a great place to be, man. Normal is the most violent and oppressive concept that has ever been foisted upon.

It is. It really is. It's a monoculture of realities, collapsing possibilities into, you know, doldrums of eventuality and just turning life into a procession, you know. Like we think growing up is, you know, basically killing everything good in our life to accept that life is some boring,

dull thing when it couldn't be further from the truth. But what you were talking about about the breakdown is that I was kind of hinting and dancing around like, how deep are we just going to dive into this? About that, yeah, I mean, about basically like to diagnose it, I have like the kind of ADHD attention deficit,

or sorry, attention surplus hyperactive harmony or whatever we're going to re turn that around into but i really do process like stimulants as depressants like if i drink a cup of coffee right now i get sleepy if i drink a bottle of whiskey which i don't do anymore because i bit it enough i would get crazy Hulk energy and so that has metabolized into how i process reality and that really is the heart of being a storyteller is to process curses as blessings and to see those obstacles as character their development. And to actually kind of develop over a period, a sort of a hunger, a sort of chivalrous quest

to go out in search of problems, big problems, not problems in myself. My breakdown was, as I'm sure yours was too, is like the internalization of that story. That we're this big fucking kill the world story where we're being taught, but through normative values to destroy the world. and basically we're acting suicidal, where we are the earth and we're destroying it. We're, of course, internalizing that and thinking that we're the problem and, you know, becoming that story. Just the first, really one of the first things I have to pluck out of people when we're learning to tell their stories or telling a new story is that you're talking about a problem in the world that is in us, too, because, you know, we are the systems. And so, yeah, breakdown is breakthrough.

And you can't break through if you don't break down. So that's like the essential alchemy of story is taking those bad things. You know, if you just think about any story you've ever seen, any good movie, like, like, you know, the Empire strikes back. That's the best Star Wars movie. I think all all critics agree. And it's the one where like dude loses his hand and he's like screaming at his father and like the homie gets encased in carbonite. Like everything bad happens. And that's what makes for a good story because you put those characters through those horrible things.

like thinking about Kurt Vonnegut, creating his little world, putting characters through these horrible situations that they learn from them. And the problem in our world today is that we're not learning from them. Because we're just seeing them as a bunch of events. And in the same way, we're seeing our successes as disconnected events, as objects, as products. And systems thinking, we talk about, you know, the importance of relationships over objects. Like, there is no object. There is no single particle.

It's all connected. It's all an interconnected sort of waveform. And so the story is putting all those points into their proper flow so that they actually become a continuum, a process, something living, not something dead. I'm rambling, but we're podcasting. Sorry, it's my happy place in a way. Yeah, that's not rambling at all, man. I think you're setting the scene for what's happening,

which leads me to some deeper questions. You know, when we start thinking about the hero's journey, whether it's Empire Strikes Back or Frodo or Tolkien or whatever hero's journey. You want to look back at some of the monomists. Like it's all right there. It seems like it's always been going on. And at least we're just kind of becoming aware of it. Like it seems like we have this giant meta crisis.

But is it really, and that is a thing. Like there's so much going on. But is it really a crisis or is it like a rebirth? It kind of seems to be talking to you like the films you've been making. And a lot of other people I've been speaking to. it seems like the world's looking for new heroes. Like it's constantly looking for people to rise above and conquer this story. Is this like an ongoing story that's always been happening?

Or you think that this is just some pivotal point that we're at now? I think we're remembering that. I love that. There aren't stories. There aren't heroes outside of us. We're looking in the wrong directions. Okay. We're not looking here.

We're not looking to our left and to our right to the people around us to become heroes. We have this mono myth, which love Joseph Campbell, you know, totally. Yeah, me too. bro but i'm here to break monoculture okay good monom myth is an expression of that in a way or it's at least been interpreted that way i think it had beautiful intentions like reading a hero with thousand faces literally like cracked me open and was like oh shit i'm a story i'm every story all the gods all the monsters are within me like and it literally like sent me on a quest to like look at my life from above and be like oh this is a story and i'm going to construct it as such

And so that I did see myself as that is that hero. And I remember trying to explain that to a friend. Like I went on this literal like cross country journey on foot, you know, breakdown into mental institution, complete breakdown, self-destruction, internalization of the world's story, you know, culminating and sort of lusting after the American mythological symbol of the gun to end it all in some mythopoetic, tragic, you know, masturbatory act. And I didn't. I failed at failure. And so I flew out the other side. and was sort of centrifugally shot into the real world, into true life,

into something true, not something false, to wander and go on an adventure and really be stripped away of all my weapons and all money and all possessions and all identity and just travel the world and find who I really am is that right of passage that has been so, so sort of tragically stripped from us.

Yeah. It is such a profound loss that we've lost that. And I was trying to communicate that journey to a friend because I was trying to evangelize people that like yo your life is a story and you just go out there and do it you don't need money and you like you've got to you know and he was like oh that's that's bourgeois indulgent you know einrand individualism and it's like spiral where you've got to go through individuation so that you can go into um oh fuck I came up with a new word for this let's hear it it's I forgot what it is though it's um it's omnivuation you're going through individuation you're going through individuation to the individual hero's journey so that you can come back to the village and this is really the part where the monomith is a monocultural over stripping the soil it's not returning the nutrients to the soil in the same way that monoculture is extracting the monomith as it's applied in hollywood and in advertising and in advertising and now it's marketing and advertising like story brand it's

extracting story out without putting story back in without bringing that story back home to the village which is really the point of the story is for you to go on that journey and slay dragons and find out who you are, because each of us has a thing that they are, to return to that village, to that kindred quest, to invite other people into the story, which is really a major aspect of what I'm helping people remember, is that in the way that we tell our story,

it's got to have that return. It's got to return back to where we are to invite people into the story and stop sort of making it a narrative. monoculture an extractive process where we're like extracting people's feelings or their intentions or belief or whatever it is and and not inviting them into it so that their story is actually enriching it so they're actually a part of that story so we're a part of a bigger shared story i love that it reminds me about there's a great book called the spectacle of society and in that book he talks about this this one quote that i always remember and it's like we've

gone from being in to having and then from having into the illusion of having and then slipping even further from the illusion of having to not even being able to be mentioned unless it doesn't exist. But it just seems like we've slipped into this illusion, right? That's a pretty deep quote, right? That's a very deep quote. And it really just, like, it gets really deep into like the abstraction that we're stuck in. And that it's like a story of a story of a story of a story.

and like the essential stories of our time, we mistake for reality. You know, we mistake them for solidity and for truth, for reality, you know, for the absolute fundament of the world that is immutable and unchangeable. And these structures of like law and money and government, these are fictions, my dude. These are not real. They don't have, they don't have an address. They don't have a physical substance. They aren't real.

And they are a collective hallucination that is real because we believe in it. And so as we empower ourselves over that and remember our way out, you know, we realize that stories as destructive as they can be are actually extremely powerful to reshape and restructure the world that we live in. That stories fuck the world up magnificently, amazingly, incredibly. just like a what an absurd wild crazy tale this is going to be when we get through it and right now we mistake that story and all of its consequences as something real because you know like money if you don't have money like money's not real until you don't have it basically and so like to not have money is brutal life-rending consequences unless you know the the secret that you could just ask for what you need and travel the world free and make love and it's

Fred Boar, you know, whatever. Anyway, I had a point there. What was I going with that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that the substance of what we're dealing with kind of goes away. Oh, that's right. Abstract symbols are not real into themselves. But if we believe they're real and we treat them as if they are, we create feedback loops that create feedback loops that create feedback loops. So something not real or something mystical, metaphysical, like money or like a nature, state, a flag, a symbol, a self-limiting belief, whatever the abstraction is, can be a fiction that people take so seriously that it's like they read Harry Potter and they go around swinging a thing around.

And it's not like that's actually real, but if they can convince a whole bunch of other people that that thing is real, then, you know, religions form, you know, dynasties are created. It creates a real effect. And so it's like trauma. When you go through a trauma, you know, it's like you're not being abused right now anymore, but in your mind, you are in your body and your conscious field, your heuristics, like what you're looking for, how you're treating yourself, makes that thing real and then seeks

things outside of you to make it real. And so that's a long, convoluted way of saying stories make the world and stories are broken the world. And what do we say about breakthrough? Breakdown? If stories broke down is broken. Then what's the next thing? I think of it like this, like your reality is reality, even though it's not reality

in actuality. When you start believing that, when you start believing that deep, you start living that life. And like this is, you had mentioned earlier that you're creating new words, not only with new films, but new words. And like, I think that we are desperately in need of new words in order for people to have new linguistic pathways to see the world. I'm curious, Zach, like, how do you, how do you trend?

all of this into filmmaking, though. I think we're at a precipice, a time for new stories to be digested and lived and actualized. How do you do that through film, though? It seems like the old world of Hollywood is broken down and just disintegrated into these silly Marvel comics. But you're creating real films out there that show real world people doing real life things.

How do you translate that vision into reality through film? Well, actually, there's a big stutter in that story and that I have a huge bottleneck in my ability to do that, that I've found the stories and I've been accumulating them and hoarding them like a good, good little bank. A good dragon. Stacking them in my cavern of stories from all over the world that I can't get out because I don't have the,

you know, the resources, the infrastructure, the connection, the distribution, to be able to edit them all into the epic, you know, invocations of this new world that I've been creating for the last five years, years out of 10 years out of more. And so I've basically had to pivot wildly in my story into creating a whole company and then creating a whole new storytelling framework, a whole new way of telling stories, which I think is ultimately a really interesting pivot and is all part of the

story that I started out telling this story about how money was destroying the world and threw myself into it and travel all over the world in search of this and crowdfunded the whole thing. and, you know, just went on this amazing adventure and, you know, truly gonzo away became part of the story. And through like this quantum weirdness, like I had ideas in my brain of the world that could be. And I looked for them and I found them and I filmed them. And when I show them to you, you know, in a few years or in a year, hopefully, when we can get it all funded and brought together and it's a part of a larger ecosystem. and the whole film itself is like this massive onboarding into the actual process that we are building to take all these ideas about a new economy and a new world and new practices and that which is

possible to actually embed it into the design and structure of a new economic paradigm and a platform and companies and federations that are taking all the things that we've learned and actually building them and doing them as a kind of new grammar of the possible, you know, in the space of companies and structures and legal forms and and commerce and you know all of these structures that are so deeply corrupted into the capitalist structures of mega corporations and zero-sum competition and extractive everything and monocultural whatever to really invert all that and to get that story out to you i have to finish the story which is to really come full circle in my own quest which i i thought i started that story at the end of the quest but no of course not i had no idea i mean

and to throw yourself into a journey like that, you're going to come out changed. And that's like, again, like in the storytelling work that I do with people, it's like, I have to warn them. Like, you're going to change. Like, if you want to change your story, you're going to change everything. You have to change your world. You have to change who you are. You have to update your operating system.

And you can rewrite the future. Like, you can create a vision of a new world, you know, beyond the current economic paradigm and go out and find pieces of it all over the world and see that it's actually real. but for me to realize that I have to fully completely mature myself and take on the structures and the dragons that I fought before like Campbell said the cave you fear to enter has the treasure that you seek yeah for me that was like you know business and career and money and all these things that I I now with the love of my beautiful wife my my treasure on that quest my great boon have been able to accomplish and overcome and realize they're just shadows and that they're all changeable. They're just stories. Yeah. That was a rambling thing.

But yeah, basically in a nutshell, the filmmaking is kind of paused. I'm working to do that more in a professional capacity to shoot beautiful, authentic, truthful brand stories for people and to basically take people through a much larger storytelling process to get to what is the story before we go into telling it. And I'm sure we'll explore that later, but I'll, uh, too many too many uh too many little gold nuggets for you there to dig through you got to got to bring you back into the conversation sorry i'm going off on tango man it's perfect i love the story aspect of this and i think it's essential for people to understand who you are and what you're

doing i want to jump in i got a few uh questions stacking up in the chat over here this one comes to us from ranga ranga from canada what's up buddy get i got to talk to you ranga reach back out to me he says is the meta crisis a spiritual ailment masked is a political and ecological one. What do you think? I think it's all of them above. I think that the spirit for me the spiritual component was big and I think that you can't really have political or ecological trance transmutation without the spiritual aspect of and I think especially in the Western world we've gotten away from spirituality like you can't even say God and it's so charged with these words and people are like you're a Christian you're a Catholic you're a Muslim you're a Jew I think

wait a minute, aren't we talking about the idea that we are all part of something bigger than us? And I think it's on some level, that's been shoved down our throat to divide us. But I think that the spiritual component, Ranga, for me, has to be in alignment. And I think that that's what's going on here, talking to Zachary, talking to so many cool people, I'm getting to see the bigger picture that we all are all aligned. The things that you see in other people that you don't like are things you don't like about yourself. The things you see in people that you do like, those are things you like about. yourself and when you can see other people like that you can get a real glimpse of who you are

so for me the spiritual component is the foundation of the metacrisis i think all the other things start to show themselves that the answers are revealed to you when you come into a spiritual alignment that's my take i deal a lot in psychedelics man and i i love them and like for me the spiritual component is the foundation of the metacrisis so what are your thoughts on that yeah i used to deal psychedelics i was an absolutely pissed poor terrible business man i couldn't make It's hard to sell them, man. Give that stuff away. I had this gigantic bag that I mailed myself of like the most gorgeous weed you've ever seen in your life.

It was all opposite of like giant purple Christmas trees like literally this big each. I couldn't fucking sell it. But yeah, I want to say that it is ultimately a spiritual thing because spirituality I think is all about interconnectedness. I love it. When you peel apart every different really spiritual tradition, that's kind of what you get to inside of it is that there's interconnectedness. And these gods are basically ideas that people believe in. The more people believe in them, the more people believe in them. The more people believe in them.

Yeah. Et cetera. Until they get to the point of, of becoming, you know, the macrocosm. And I think ultimately, like, our gods and many, many of the monotheistic religions, especially getting back to that fucking mono, that word, are like insecurities that are irreconcilable. They're so irreconcilable, like the persona of a narcissist that, they become deified because it's like not only am i not going to address this this trauma this black hole that i don't see but it's the foundation of everything around me that i can't change it or

reconcile it i'm going to start worshiping it and so i'm going to start worshipping a black hole at the center of our universe that is this paradox of infinite scarcity and and infinite growth at the same time um and so basically yeah i mean it's the disconnectedness of everything um or the interconnectedness of problems. And there is a spiritual root in it and that our economic systems are religions. I mean, I would define capitalism as a religion based around, you know, basically it's magical thinking that disempowers us from our decisions, that empowers system dynamic forces that are way beyond our grasp or reckoning.

So the story says. That disconnect us and throw us into competition, which is then, as a, we were talking about earlier, structurally and systemically encoded into all these feedback loops that reinforce something that is ultimately a self-limiting belief that we don't have enough and we need to fight over it. And the way out of that is, of course, a real realignment into spirituality at a deep level. But it's not spirituality as like personal as something that's, that's a you thing. That's something that's like a little candle you burn in your, you know, you know, shack as you're being bombed by the, you know, whatever, whatever phase of the Roman Empire we're in.

Like, it's a spirituality that ends, you know, a deeper sort of story of us that goes beyond you. That is, you know, that omnivituated, you know, transcendent, collective big we, big story, right? Yeah, totally. The next one comes to us from Desire, Desiree from Palm Desert. She says, what is the most beautiful lie you've ever told yourself? a great question thank you desiree we love you gift of a question the most beautiful

lie that I've ever told myself was basically that I couldn't wasn't capable and that I just made a post about this on the LinkedIn was where we met about protectors and that how so many people out there

who were trying to do the good work have a fragment of their personality. In internal family systems, we call it a protector. Basically, the system, you're a system, you're not one person. You have a system of parts that reinforce a dynamic identity. And basically, you have these protectors that form around you as a shield that blocks you from something disempowering.

And it usually starts in some kind of trauma, and it forms a shield around you losing your identity. And so so many people that I meet, almost everyone, that's, is doing important work. And everyone on the other side, too, we all have our own protector. The protector is basically a self-limiting belief that has saved us. That might complete aversion to money and to capitalism and to business and to self-serving, consumeristic, you know, commodification, all of these things, you know, completely severed me

from taking the world seriously in that way. And it was really empowering and it freed me. to be outside of it. But I reached a threshold very recently, you know, six months ago, that it was like, okay, this is a story that actually got me here in the way that all the stories we're talking about here, all the self-limiting beliefs, the macrocosmic, systemic religious dilutions that are so glittering and perfect and false need to be outgrown because like they served a purpose.

They gave us our beautiful breakthrough, our breakdown into breakthrough. And yet that that story that I couldn't pay rent, for example, I couldn't afford this or I'm not good with money or I can't do that. And it's like I just, I took acid. I talked to money. And I was like, bro, as an illusionist, game recognizes game. He did an amazing job at whatever you were trying to do. And now your story is going to kill all of us. You're going to kill your own host.

And so you need to work with us. And we need to become business partners and change what you are on a fundamental level and change the world. And so that really shifted me pretty quickly into like a place where I'm coaching people on how to break their own self-limiting police with money. And I'm like telling economists that have been broke for 50 years, like now is your time to ask for 100 mil and stand up on the trash can and be like, yo, civilization is collapsing and I have the answers. And I'm not asking for the money for me. I'm asking for the money for you. And so it's a very interesting thing. Money is a weird, weird story.

It's quite a weird belief. But that was a beautiful lie that gave me such wonderful insight and adventure that had to go. I had to outgrow it. But it's still there in me. It's still a part of the spiral of stories that makes me up. It's still a part. And yet I'm telling a new story. Yeah.

Yeah, getting to speak to so many cool people in podcasts, I've learned, I've sort of taken on this role with my relationship with money and currency is like relationships of the real currency. Relationships, the ones in your life, the people closest to you, the people you meet on a podcast, the people you meet in the street, the people you meet at the store. Like the relationships are the real currency. And those relationships are what bear fruit later in life because you never know who you're going to meet or you never know how your kind words. could impact somebody else and how those kind words can come back to you in the form of money or energy on some level but what are your thoughts on relationships being the true currency oh absolutely um yeah i mean like i lived on relationships you know for that whole time i didn't use money well i mean i used it of course i used money like go to stores and stuff but i didn't seek it i didn't ask for it

well i did when i didn't ask for money i asked for the needs that i had i spoke my needs into the world and I lived on relationships and I traveled the whole world on that. And so that was my currency. Stories were my currency. Relationships were my currency. And they still are. They're underneath everything. They're above all.

And yeah, when we get back into that, we realize that the relationship is a sort of current that carries the resources and energy into our lives. And we're looking for the money rather than thinking about that relationship, that's the current that's going to keep bringing it there for fucking ever for as long as the relationship functions. And so thinking about that beyond just like an individual like me to you to like, you know,

asking for the support my Patreon and whatever. It's these relationships that, um, we're working to realize systemically and get out of an object orientation and a transactional relationship transactional. We're like severing the relationship. Closing a sale, you know,

finance, Finn, the end, steep closure. It's all about ending. and closure and cessation and the breaking of these ties and the severing of relationships and community relations very intentionally because that's you can't you can't get a game like that to spread if people have strong communities where they can meet all their needs to

relationships and so we're getting into that in an organizational capacity to actually federate organizations together and create these flows of relationship that basically sustain us on a way deeper level way beyond just money that money can flow on that current, but people can too and resources can and energy can and referrals can and all kinds of other currencies and capitals and values and whatever your signifier is for something that is important that you need. It's all about the relationships. And as we create deep, strong relationships between all the parts of the system, we create success. I mean, that's it, right? Yeah, it's such a brilliant point.

You know, I think we've gotten so far into abstraction and so far into specialization. And we no longer see the whole. Like you said earlier, like if you're just looking for something transactional, you're not even really looking for a real relationship. You're just looking to extract something from that relationship. And what kind of relationship can you have, whether you're a giant oil company or you're a married man or a married woman or a child or a father or a brother? You can't have any real functional, beautiful relationship if it's purely transactional. And that takes us back to the meta crisis, it seems like. It does take us back to the metacrisis.

And it's a tragedy, really. I mean, even for people who are winners. I mean, like, how many rich and successful people have I met along the way that are complete lonely? Like I got a great little clip of Brian Robertson who created the holocracy system. And he's talking about how the CEO is the lone. loneliest person in an organization. Statistically, they are the loneliest person. Even though everyone's coming to them and talking to them and asking for them,

you know, all the time. They're like the hot bartender. Everybody's coming up to them. Everybody's coming up to them, you know? But that's the way for the relationship. They're asking for something from them. And it's like you have to build up a barrier between people and you have to learn how to say no.

Like that's what being a CEO is in a lot of ways. It's just fucking saying no all day. And then, you know, the distrust that comes. comes from having things that other people don't and the the sort of the resentment you develop for people who are always asking for you or see you as a as a walking money bag or something it's just not a good it's just not a good way of doing things it's a weird relationship you live in a community with somebody and they have all the stuff and you have to ask them for everything and you have to ask them to get up and get a drink of water and take a piss that's not a community

you're in some kind of weird cult so that's not good for anyone you know and and i just I'm really excited about, you know, how many people out there are waking up from this and realizing that that's a bad story and that we can tell a better one. Yeah, we can. It seems like it starts so young, too, especially in the Western world where, like, you go to like this authoritarian school. You got to ask for a hall pass, ask to go to the bathroom. You're sitting down there standing up. How do we, what do your take on the future of education, Zach? It seems like it starts so young.

Is education something we should? start earlier and getting people to buy you ask because i have not a vague i have a highly specific answer to this that i'm developing like some of the best professors in the world who are all totally disillusioned from the university system education is busted education was for me one of the most violent things that i experienced as a child and i there's a great gabber matte quote we're talking about ADHD which as i said at the beginning of this thing was a curse was such a problem it made life impossible for me for so long and i was breaking down and i saw this clip of gabber and he was talking about how ADHD is an adaptation it is not of disorder it is like when you're in a prison

and your identity is being threatened by indoctrination and propaganda where they're force feeding you an authoritarian agenda you distract yourself you go elsewhere you fuck off you go to space you know and that saved me and that was again one of those one of those protectors that i i wept when i when I realized that, when I saw how that was protecting me and how much it helped me. It saved me from such terror, from such horror. Like Cormac McCarthy said, who knows what worse luck your bad luck saved you from. And so, yes, our educational system is an absolute atrocity against the imagination of all sentient life. And it is one of the greatest, it's bad.

We leave it at that. And so what we're working on is what I'm calling the multiversity, which is a set of basically interconnected community organizations, structures, and basically ways to embed education as the core of business model of any organization. Any community of practice can successfully fund itself, I'm very convinced, off of a membership community that's offering education, membership, connection, and a sort of shared atmosphere where people are learning. skills and giving information to each other. And there's a sort of little mini, I want to call it a revolution, but there's definitely a whole new thing happening with school communities and circle and, you know, paid communities are becoming a big thing. A lot of them are just clubs.

They're not really communities, but we're fixing that. And basically, you've got communities popping up around learning synthesizers or, you know, moms learning Pilates and there's people making $100 grand a month off of communities like that. because it's a great model where like you can you can ask people to come in and pay you a small amount every month and they get access to you know educational resources to grow their spirit and the model that we're developing is basically starts with free community and then there's there's sort of thresholds we think about it as a spiral and we're really working to design this as a structure that pretty much everybody we're going to be installing this and building new systems and platforms eventually for you know it's we we call it a quest funnel where basically you're basically you your story and the media assets and the vision of where you are and why you're here. And we kind of skip a step, but we'll get there in a minute. The meta myth is the answer to the meta crisis. But basically, yeah, the community structure is a spiral of a free community into a different

tiers of contribution paywalls or, you know, contribution thresholds or ways that you can share or bring in referrals or just permeable membranes where engagement and contribution allows you to advance further in the game because business is a fucking game. Of course it is. Slack is a video game. Don't tell me it's not. You're playing for points. Capitalism is a video game. So we're going to create a better game with

multidimensional access so that you can evolve in new ways. And then you go into a paid community where you have access to, you have like coursework that you can sell. And then you have like a teaching group. And then you have a deeper ring that people who do really well in the teaching group and they go through the coursework come into like a

practitioner circle where they're actually learning how to do the thing you're talking about and to train more trainers to train more people into this this way of practice this this this thing and then create a totally scalable way to spread it to more people and do the thing which is ultimately driven by a quest which is you know a larger purpose beyond just give me money to do a thing you know it's it's an enduring you know majestic adventure that we're all going on together that you create this community architecture that people come into and education is the sort of, it's like this pulsing beacon. And it's a sustainable model.

It's something that we can all return to in a way that is not elitist, that is not disconnected, that does not make you have to go into debt to then basically maybe have opportunity in a dying market in a world that, you know, people are getting certifications and they're going to college for five or eight years or 12 years for things that AI is just going to obliterate because whatever. So yeah, I've got a lot to say about education and how we motivate people and how we educate them is all, you know, extremely interesting, valuable, you know, world building in the new story. Man, I love it. I love it.

You know what? The word initiation comes to mind. And I've been talking to lots of people. Like, I went down this sort of St. George slaying the dragons of certification. Like, I really was taking it to these guys like, you know, fuck certification. Like, who are you guys to certify other people and things you don't even know what you're doing? And it brought me back to this idea of like initiation. You know, initiation seems to be something that we all go through, but we don't ever recognize.

It sounds to me that you have gone through an incredible initiation. But how do we bring back initiation? It sounds like that what you're talking about with education is a new form of initiation. But what comes to your mind when I say initiation. Exactly what you're saying. is in language we're using ourselves. Right. That you're initiating people into a quest, into a higher purpose.

Yeah. You're bringing them through a set of trials. And basically this is a little superpower that if you were a purpose-driven organization or a for-purpose company is like a model where we're actively working to develop or taking organizations from not purpose to purpose-driven, from profit-to-purpose-driven, which is a really interesting alchemy in itself because the profit actually follows the purpose. When I was living completely on purpose, completely on relationships and stories, the money followed.

And I had everything I needed to do what I spoke out into the world that I needed to do. But yeah, when you have a purpose, you can call people into it and you can give them these sort of trials, which are like every organization has a bunch of little tasks that you need done that, you know, you can just distribute and put into a big pool and say, hey, try these on. And if you care about what we're doing and you're trying to get involved in this journey, like pick up these tasks and try them out and contribute. And if you successfully solve that task, you know, you advance in the journey and you initiate yourself through a sort of multi-dimensional pathway where educating yourself is initiation, contributing is education, supporting with material resources and capital and donation and things like that. Those matter. Those are initiations. There are just various forms recognizing a plurality of different value systems to not keep to basically make it so that everybody has a pathway

so long as they're contributing to that larger quest. And it's creating a thing. filter system that is effectively, you know, a training like an automate an autonomous, not automated, onboarding system that initiates people into your quest to go from paying you for education and access to paying into a community to basically becoming people that are like actually showing up and contributing for the chance to get trained into helping you solve your mission. Nike can't do that, you know? Disney can't do that. I mean, they got some crazy brain dead, you know,

brainwashed supporters who will spend all day supporting them. But like, you know, if you have a purpose, you can call people into that and they will initiate themselves. They'll go through this journey on their own autonomously, you know, as, as, you know, not a transaction or a wage slave or whatever. Be bossed around into doing it. And it's a way of qualifying and filtering out the bullshit in attracting only those people of pure heart who have gone the distance, who have embarked on the

quest and earned their way in this story that they deeply care about. Man, I love it. You know, it also takes away that barrier or it seems to me in the modern world, especially capitalism and just the world we live in right now, that if you have enough money, you can do it. But how many great people are fucking way more qualified to do something? but don't have the money or the certification or the education to do it. I think what you're talking about sets the bar for everyone to have a shot at it to.

You know what I mean by that? It allows everybody who's passion driven and purpose driven to become the very best at what it is they want to do. Without all these fenced in gates or all these pay walls and stuff like that, if you are passionate about something, you can start rising through these communities and become the very best at it. And it seems that that's been taken away from us now. If you look at Disney or Nike or Bank of America or all of these giant mono companies, like we love that word mono. You know, they have set up this gated paywall where like you can't even get in the door. You can't even, it doesn't matter how good you are.

You can even get in the door. But it sounds like this is something that more people can get into regardless of what station they're at, where they're at in life, what color they are, what sex. All that stuff falls away. And the purpose and the passion become the catalyst for you to move forward. What's a contribution-based system? I mean, it's like meritocracy sounds good on paper, but you have all these sort of systemic dynamics of like, it's cheaper to scale the bigger you get. And so you just naturally get monopolies. And there's all these sort of game designs in the structure that create monopolies and that create this sort of, you know, disproportionate advantage of the sort of archetype of success to the successful that the meritocracy is actually just bullshit.

And it's really just a really brutal system. I think Warren Buffett or someone said, like, you know, the market is a brutal system that basically provides nothing for you if you, you know, can't get out there and make that money. And so, yeah, we're, I would say seizing a really great gap in the market that's created by the market in the fact that most human needs are gapingly unmet and that the answers to those needs are actually probably in your zip code. and yet because we're not connected and because if you don't have the money,

go fuck yourself. That's the game. That's the only token we're accepting because we're running our whole value system through a slot machine set up by a sort of a mecha mechanical empire to ratify all of our decisions and values. We are losing out on the vast majority

of real value in the world and around us. And if we can open up the possibility space of accepting and validating multiple, multiple agreements systems multiple ways of saying i got you you got me multiple ways of valuing contribution of counting of like creating currencies of again counting those currents that are coming by in that beautiful lazy river that we're drifting down in our tube with our little beverage in our relationship um that was a nice wordplay that was beautiful man yeah it's it's it's all about that That's what it's all about, contribution and initiation and bringing people into a quest.

What about exactly? For me, sometimes I go through these fires of like rebellion. Like, I just want to burn shit down. Like, it's so mad sometimes. But that's dangerous because, you know, I think there's a difference between justice and revenge. And for so many people that are just kind of finding the courage to become who they are. Like, you come out of that fire, man, like vengeful. Like, fuck these guys.

I'm going to burn this whole thing down. How do we see? separate that like how do we not get burned by the fires of revenge and try to find something that's more justice oriented well i would say that that's an essential step on the journey i mean yeah couldn't fight it i think if you fight that you just get repression i think anger is like a really powerful power energy source um and it needs to be alchemized into what is really underneath it which is like sadness and you need yeah great point and you need to meet it and you need to meet it and And basically like really feel that shit out of that emotion and find a proper event for it.

I've been there. I mean, I've been so angry. I mean, I have so much anger inside of me for the fact that a child died of hunger in the last five seconds, literally, that 20,000, 30,000 kids die a day completely preventably. I am so angry at the injustice of the things that I have seen with my own eyes, of the fact that I have met people. you know, who are beautiful human beings who are dead because they don't have paper, you know, or the fact that, you know, that I see such a beautiful world and I have such a vision in my heart. And I know so clearly and can express so even eloquently how we could unfuck it and people are so uncurious about it. They're so afraid. And that it's such a struggle to be able to just do what I

know as possible and to help help people and to be able to do what I do. To be able to do. to not be able to just put this film out into the world i have immense anger at the structure of the system and yet that anger isn't really productive it isn't really helping and it's kind of burning a hole in me and so i just don't think it's effective ultimately um i can tap into that righteous anger at any moment it is always there it is like the flame in a hot air balloon that will shoot me up into the sky if i needed to um and yet it needs to find its proper place And more than anything, I'm done protesting systems. And I'm like turning around and protesting the protesters.

I'm like, turn to your left. Turn to your right. Like, what are you doing yelling at these systems? They're not listening to you. They don't care what you think. They love this. This is theater. And if you're going to be theatrical, then be an actor, you know, be Shakespearean about it.

Like, I don't know. I, I respect it. I do, but I'm impatient with it as well. Because creation is way more destructive. If that's your goal, if you want to destroy things, if you want to break patterns, if you want to tear things apart, if you want to disrupt, then do it with creation. You know, ultimately, the way more powerful disruptive option is to create structures and systems. And realize that like recently, like a,

whole Iran bomb thing. Yeah. I just saw it as fireworks the whole time. I mean, as volatile and destructive and everybody was like, oh, it's World War III. I was like, no, it's fireworks. It's a fireworks display to basically for the empire to try to get the other, its opponents to react violently so that they can say, look, they're violent and then retaliate with way more violence, while the more powerful form of violence is the system and the economic exploitation,

and the sanctions and the sort of invisible thing that nobody really sees, but it's like the structural violence of, you know, heart disease and poverty and infrastructure and, you know, siphoning the air and water out of people's, you know, ecosystems through money, you know. And so it's like, if that's how they're fighting with systems, we have to fight back with systems. We have to design intelligently.

And we have to find and the others, and those people that we can cry into and hug and, and love as fiercely or far more intently than we hate this world because why would we spend our one precious human life on this earth angry at a system and blaming it and giving it power over us fuck that it doesn't have power over me or how i feel we do that's a brilliant answer man it's fucking beautiful you know it's and i love the way you can pan back and look at the system you know when you look at that whole just the whole fucking war machine and the whole military industrial complex. If you just pan back and you go, oh, look, they started over here in Ukraine. Now they're moving on to phase two. If you can just see this giant system, like they're just moving through phases, colonizing and raping all the resources out of it.

It blows my mind to think about that. Another issue that kind of comes up for me, Zachary, is like there's a big generational gap. When you look at, I'm almost 50 now. And when I look back where I am, like I say, see a lot of boomers or a lot of elder people that grew up in a different media system. Like they get their information from a total different set of media than a younger generation does. Like how do we bridge that gap? And like, how do we get a message that resonates with everyone when we have, when we're

broken up into these generational classes? Have you figured out a way to try to speak to the different generations? Well, yeah. I mean, effectively, it's returning to the mother's story. And this is kind of what I've been hinting at throughout this is that the antidote that I see, or an antidote to the meta crisis and an antithesis of the monomith is the meta myth is the essential mother story is the the archetypal distillation of really the understanding of the seed of what is a story which is you know from my uh applied research my initiation and my return to come back with

that story as the great moon to deliver to people to show people what is a story basically a story I've distilled into five acts, which is the call to adventure or our calling, which is like what is broken in the world that has called us into being into the work that we're doing, what story is broken, that jagged peace falls us, gets us in the heart and then brings us into our purpose, which is our quest, which is really the directive underneath the technicality of what we're doing. Like, you know, someone building software, that's not your purpose. If you're just building a thing to deliver a thing, you're a discont.

connected from purpose or it's a misalignment of purpose as profit itself to think that the purpose is just to make numbers go up where your your quest is really why you are here on this earth as an overarching directive and a way of creating a quest line from here where you started where the story begins and all its brokenness along this line of purpose that creates a through line into what is possible into the space of the vision of what becomes possible when we follow that quest all the way when we completely commit what would be possible if we did this what would be possible if the money was gone what would we be doing in a world beyond money even you know and to create our own plot line of what we want to happen of what needs to happen of what the earth needs you to do to consciously scrip script that to write our own story and then bring that back down into earth in the spiral as it gets tighter into the mission, the journey to get there, the distance between here and there, where we take that quest line and we backcast through horizons of possibility and missions into the immediate mission,

the immediate mile. How do we get from here to here on our way from here to here? And that becomes really down to earth. And so from there, the return, of course, the missing peace in Western storytelling. Our journey as Western, humanity, you know, on our lone journey, our extended initiation in the wilderness of separation and competition and scarcity that just needs to return. It just needs to come home and return so that the story comes full circle and you invite the village in into that quest. And you're basically creating an archetypal resonance that takes your pathway and the thing that broke your heart and brought you into your passion and invites people in with you. And so that's the

essential story. And so our story, for example, it's like our calling, the call to adventure, as we've meandered through in this talk, is, you know, a broken story, that the world is destroying itself for stories, with stories. And story has been reduced to marketing and propaganda and, you know, fake news and, you know, all of these falsehoods and abstractions that disconnect us from who and what we really are and why we're here. And our quest is to remember story's power to change reality to bring ourselves back into conscious authorship of the world that we live in and to use story as our vehicle to expand what is possible of a global federation of stories and storytellers converging coming together finding the stories that matter shining our light of consciousness

on them taking them through this multifaceted system where we're really designing a whole system to go beyond the operating system of business into a living quest with technical systems, basically taking people through a process that as they talk through their journey, we train it on an AI system that creates a custom sort of guide for them that becomes the sort of storyteller in their own dashboard that shows a legend of where they're going and takes that tool, that structure of where we are and where we'd like to be in our current mission. and the mission broken up into the engagements and trials that we're inviting people into,

into the quest funnel that brings them into the community structure and having this all built out as a system and to create our own structure to scale this and invite people into our story to spread it and show what's possible and create feedback loops that creates a regenerative storytelling cycle. Sounds great, right? The mission to get there is to build another world as possible and to bring it into its formation and to get the resources, the people, the talent, the dreamers. the dreams and dreamers that we need to do that and to find the people and stories that we are

here to tell to tell the best stories on this earth that need telling to help those people who are trapped in a purposeless void of an old story that they need to break out of so that we can resource ourselves or bring in the investors who are just like fuck yeah i want to be an investor in that story i would invest in a new story for all humanity let's do it let's go well that was kind of into the invitation but yeah it's to build this company it's to build a cooperative federation of stories and storytellers that are creating new stories that tell new stories. And the invitation, the return journey, is to invite the people in that we need, which are stories and storytellers, which are marketers, advertisers,

video makers, dreamers, wizards with SEO, community builders, platform designers, programmers, investors, money wizards, disenchanted people who, you know, have a story to tell and want to be a part of a better story. invite them into that journey so that we can create this whole structure and create these tool sets that we can scale it to the world that's that's that's that's our our jazz in a in a in a nutshell man where do i sign up i love it man i love it i mean you are you've already signed up you're already in the story i love it i i know we'll come up on an hour do you how are you doing on time i got some more questions that people would love to ask you like but i want to be mindful anytime

Always got to take the questions from the chat. Got it. Got it, man. Okay. You have to, man. This one comes to us from Neil. He says, what does it mean to be a practical visionary? Can Utopia survive contact with reality or must it or must it rewire it?

I don't really, I don't know if I believe in Utopia. Utopia means no place, which I kind of like because it's an unattainable ideal that you'll never reach. The phrase protopia is more popular these days. I think part of me is like, fucking just say it. Just call yourself a utopian, whatever. I believe a better will was possible. I believe that whatever is physically possible, like first principles, what is possible, what can we physically do is on the table.

And so being pragmatic about that means literally how are we going to get there if we don't know where we're going and work backwards? There's a great Victor Frankel video where he's talking about. I think it's called ducking or something and when you're flying a plane when you're flying a plane and you're trying to get here You aim here and you you get here But if you aim here you get here and so when we're trying to be sort of like pragmatic and realistic about making political change or about anything important that needs to happen in the world You know we end up going here because we shoot here and we just keep lowering that lower and lower and we're off the map and so being pragmatically visionary means actually engaging in a visionary process. It doesn't mean flying cars. Well,

that exists right now, but whatever. It doesn't mean some far off distant generic utopia. It means a very specific vision of the world that you can expand into your heart and see, okay, that's technically possible. And then from there, you work backwards. And you say, right, for that to happen, this is what I have to happen. Like, I'm working with a fashion company whose purpose is to end slavery. Sounds great, right? Sounds unattainable. But, but, But it's basically like, all right, we want to end slavery for all humanity because there's more slaves on this planet Earth than ever before in human history and the price of a human being has never been lower. Look it up. Kevin Bales has got a great book called something, Blood and Earth, I think. But anyway, for us to end slavery for this fashion company, he would have to first end slavery in one industry, fashion, which for all industries to say, okay, no more slave, we're all going slave free.

we're going to just end this. One industry, the fashion industry, which is heavily slave driven, would have to fundamentally change. To do that, one fashion company would have to go fully slave free and would have to get all these different celebrities, which designer, you know, Adrian has connections with to get them to wear his suit that says this suit is a covenant with all the enslaved people and have like a me too style, like spread the word, like really make it so that everybody knows like, okay, this is what there's one slave free fashion company, all the rest use slavery. And so that works us back and do, okay, how do we get there? Then we build this. We build a fashion line. We do an art show.

And then it gets really pragmatic, right? That doesn't sound so insane anymore, does it? So everything in the world that has to happen for us to continue living on this earth is going to take something that a lot of people are going to tell you is unrealistic. A lot of people tell me what I just described in my little meta myth, which to me, coming from designing whole economic systems and whole economic paradigms and flying cars and dome cities and all of that, seems so fucking practical to me, but a lot of people are like, well, why don't you just do burgers and fries, like,

just pick one thing and make a productized offer? I'm like, shut up. That's not practical. That's a highly impractical thing to do. To follow the status quo is incredibly stupid. To not have a vision is incredibly stupid in such a changing world. And so many people are telling me like,

oh, you're just ahead of your time. And they say it's such a passive aggressive way. And I was like, okay, well, time moves, dummy. If I'm ahead of my time, that means you're behind. the time.

You're already out of the picture. Yeah. So it's not pragmatic, it's not pragmatic, not to be visionary. Yeah. Well said. Well said. We got coming over here. We got this one.

Keep him coming. Yeah, here we go. What does it mean? I'm sorry. You talk about the metacrisis as a failure of imagination. Do you think our collective dream has been hijacked? If so, by whom or what? Thank you.

By whom? I don't think it's any person we can point a finger at. You can't really say it's like, oh, Rupert Murdoch started this. You can't really say like, you know, well, you could say like Edward Brunet who was the father of public relations. Yeah. With economists like Walter Lippmann said things like, we must manufacture dissatisfaction in the consumer to create demand. You know, like the world was engineered by certain people, but even they came into this system with a belief set and a value system that was put into them. that was normatively reinforced through this dulling of our feeling of the trauma that is underneath us,

you know, forgetting our, you know, separation, forgetting our connection, forgetting what, what is actually real over a really, really long time. And so I'd say it's pretty much everybody. And it starts with the, it starts with the matrix in the matrix of the individual, to think that you're a separate individual and that, you know, you're just here to pursue your little goals. I'm just here to, I'm just here to, you know, like, that's not what you're here for. Like, that's an illusion. and that's a profound limitation on what you can do because even if you are the best individual in the world, richest, strongest, fastest,

I'm at some of those people and they're insecure as fuck. And you're still just one guy. That's the smallest number, diff shit. And I'm sorry, I'm not talking that to you. I'm talking to the people that I knew who were like, I'm the shit, you know, whatever. But yeah, like everybody, you are, everyone around you is telling you a lie by telling you that a better world is impossible

or by living this world as if it's normal. And so I don't think it's helpful to point the finger. And an old friend told me like when you're pointing the finger, look, you've got one pointing forward and you've got three pointing back at you. So not to say that, that, you know, like this this sort of a corruption of manifestational understanding or whatever that like we're all creating our world and, you know, starving child in Bangladesh, you know, making bricks and a kiln, you know, for slave labor is like choosing to be that. That's not the case. but we all have a degree of agency that expands when we question it. Basically, we are free insofar as we admit that we're not free. As far as we accept, there are forces acting upon us shaping and changing the way that we are perceiving the world

and creating that reality as if it is reality, we are not free to change that. And when we do recognize those things, then we can start to take step back and take those layers off and start to realign ourselves into agency, into moving forward. That's a beautiful. That's Christian. Christian. and thanks for that question. Thanks, Christian.

Yeah, that was epic. This one comes to Jacob. The great Jacob told District 216, you guys got a beautiful outfit out there. He says, is madness simply the body rejecting a sick society? If so, should we all go a little mad in order to become sane again? Thank you, Jacob. Yes, absolutely. 100%.

Yeah, I mean, most mental illness that we think about is an adaptation and is a superpower. And there's something that in another society would be channeled and would be respected. And then you've got just just general purpose madness. You have to be crazy, you know, to go against the society around you that is so insane that it it deems true psychotic, absurd insanity as normality and well adjustment. Christa Mertie said, as I'm sure you're sort of paraphrasing, it is no measure of hell to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. So to take your pills and get back to work is not sane. It is actually the most insane behavior imaginable. It's insane that we piss and shit in potable water.

It's insane that we put, you know, toxic chemicals in children's cereal. It's insane that we get up every day and go take orders from some little guy in a suit who's just as terrified as we are, who's taking orders from a bank probably, to go and do mundane tasks for pieces of paper. It's all insane. And so, yeah, you need to go completely apeshit. You need to go bananas. You need to remember what Robin Williams said that he's like,

we're only given a little spark of madness. And if you lose that, you lose everything. If you lose that spark of madness, you're nothing. You're gone. You're done. And that spark, if we blow into it and we fan those flames together and we ratify a new reality together, it's not madness. It's just mad fun.

Yeah, it's mad love. It sounds amazing to me. Thank you, Jacob. this one is coming to us. Who is this coming from? This one's coming from Tony. He says, you call film a form of consciousness technology.

Can cinema initiate a viewer into a new self? Big time. Film is one of the most powerful magical spells that humanity has ever created. It is a portal that can take you to places that you couldn't even imagine. It is an ability to guide the attention very intently with sound, with picture.

Wagner, called opera the total art form and he never went to the pictures so the moving the moving picture the moving image is like a bespoke psychedelic experience that you can design yourself to take people through a journey like i've been on a journey all over the world that's taken me from you know radical utopian you know moneyless anti-capitalist into a post-capitalist grounded builder, you know, with a community and the love of my life. And you can go on that journey with me to learn how the world could be and how it is now. And that, you know, to get back into that sort of pragmatic utopianism is to like dream it, believe it and go find it. Ask if this

thing you think about in your head actually exists because there's a pretty good chance it does. Somebody's doing it. Somebody's templating it. Somebody's prototyping it. That's why our organization is called Another World is Possible. And why the tagline is simply it's here because another world is happening it is not just possible it is happening there are solutions to every single problem that we can think of and more that are smashed down by the education system and by the war machine and by just the lack of possibility and imagination that we have and so to go to those places and help people with that magic of film to show the world what they're doing is unbelievably incalculably valuable and incredibly powerful and it's a very powerful service that we are

now using to help raise the consciousness of people in this world and to help organizations tell their stories because that we know the power of that magic we know how powerful that is that even a few minute video can change your life i made a six minute video for some some tech dudes in amsterdam and they raised 300 000 out of it video like and because it took them to another world world to show them like oh the world could be this called coasis that's a amazing project about a whole new internet that's gets beyond the walled garden but yeah video is incredibly powerful cinema is powerful and even in the age of AI I'm very confident that the kind of films that I make that are completely handmade and real could never be replicated by AI because the point

is that they're real they could be actually amplified where we could put in domes and windmills and all kinds of beautiful stuff so that we could create our own little real-life Star Wars to show what could be possible on top of that. That's the next layer we're going to build. But yeah. You talked about coasis and some of these other people you're working with around the world.

Maybe you can give a little nod or a shout out to some of these other incredible people you've been working with it. Yeah, I mean, this morning was Steve Keane, amazing economist or econophysicist or eco-physicist. We're still creating the current. But, yeah, I mean, he's an amazing character. He's been debunking economics for 50 years. You've got Simon Mischo, who I put out our first Another World Possible podcast with.

He is the sort of the scientist in the disaster movie exposing the delusion of the current, what's the word he uses? Cornucopian green transition that's physically impossible because we don't have the minerals, who has also created a plan for a truly post-fossil fuel, post-capitalist economic system. building a breakaway civilization that actually functioned at every level with mining and industry and and like a totally closed loop industrial waste stream that isn't like a bunch of people in a permaculture farm with yurts like that is a really industrial civil post industrial civilization um yeah we've got uh i'll shout out my guys from holons holons i oh uh simon and um burberto incredibly brilliant people that are in italy right now at the liminal village which is another project that's a extremely beautiful example of a little potentiality that exists, a little future that's existing in Italy. They're building a, well, it's hard to describe.

I mean, still, even I've been working on it for a couple of years. Like the things that they're building are so new and so transformative. They're basically abilities to see that we're all interconnected parts in parts and that I'm a whole on and that us together are holons and that we're in a part of a larger whole on. and the ability to signify that and for communities to basically form these community quests, to signal their needs and to have their needs connected with others, and to put it on a hologram, which is a dashboard that shows you the interconnectedness of all these processes, that allows you to turn connection into currency,

that allows you to program communities or create bots that can program functions into communities, that give them superpowers, that allow them to interconnect, and that actually synergizes with the coasis project, that eventually will be able to create our own meta layer that goes over the existing internet that scrapes the data from whatever stupid corporate platform you're on that owns your data to pull your data out of that into your own interface. So we're getting beyond like the network effects needed to scale these companies. We're working with Lyonsburg is an organization that's working to create the Federation.

The Federation. I mean, that's what we're creating. It's ultimately the Federation. It's like the antithesis of the corporation is not any of these parts individually, but the synthesis of all of them coming together to form something that is an autonomous, interconnected whole, that is a circular system of circles and circles that creates the new paradigm, that allows us to scale and grow in the way that the corporations do, but in the inverse, where we're increasing agency on autonomy.

Got Graham Boyd of Evolut 6, really another incredible econophysicist working on ergodic investing, about creating distributed ecosystems of investment. investments that all mutually support each other, recognizing that their fates are interconnected, you know, really restructuring from a blank piece of paper what business is at every level. We've got so many, yeah, there's just so many people out there. Michael Halpe is working on basically like AI systems for predicting collapse. He's predicting a monetary reset that's coming up and working toward bioregional mutual credit currencies.

We've got the Cascadia bioregion, which is basically a whole group of people of like hundreds of thousands who are seceding from the imaginary of the United States into their bioregion as their life place as the thing that they connect with i mean all the stories that you know the arwaqo nation my my true heroes my indigenous elder brothers in the heart of the world in columbia i carry their story i'm still working to get them funded and a big part of this story this film story is going to weave so many of these stories together into that that sort of onboarding into this larger federation that brings these things all together into something higher than any of them could be i mean we got planetary parties we've got mycelia law we've got so many different

wonderful organizations and people i literally can't count them all and we're just now basically working to build the capacity for us to tell all these stories and to tell this bigger interconnected story and you know just to be just to be frank with like a little call to action for the audience yeah all the people that i know that have the most sauce to change the world struggle like hell with money. And I'm one of them. I'm living in a trailer right now with my dog paying for his little food with a credit card.

I'm struggling like hell to build a company from nothing. I'm doing a lot of my work for like not necessarily for free, but for like delayed onset value flow that we have to create a whole new contractual agreements for because we're like forming profit partnerships to say like, we know you've got the value, but you need us to work with you to get the value. And then we're going to get it on the back end. And so yeah, I mean, we, we need support like, We need investment.

We need people who are going to put there, who are going to become investors, not just invest in something. And we need people who have stories worth telling that have budgets that can actually invest into their stories, that actually take it seriously, that they have the capacity that you listening have the power to change your life. If you ask five simple questions. And if you take them seriously and integrate them and go the distance and take what you're doing as an isolated company, or individual or idea or crusade and turn it into a magnetic quest that as we go through the full journey

of our full power to help is to create this whole interconnected system that takes us from the story activation into AI systems and dashboards and tools to navigate it beyond like business management software because you have a quest, you need something bigger than that, into the video and the storytelling

to like create this portal into your world and into the future that you're working to create and then crafting that into a funnel using like cutting edge marketing technology to create an interactive multi-dimensional pathway to bring people into a new community architecture that's what we're working to build and i know that that's what all of us really needs because we're done with busyness we don't want more busyness we want easiness and so that's what we're working to create and that's what we're working to share i love it what are the five simple questions well it's basically you know what broke in the world that brought us here why are you here and what is your quest why are you here as a directive like like at this movement you're not

just here to piddle around um what is possible how do we get there you know what's the mission the current mission not the mission as a like doling out soup into an endless uh systemic wound but like what's the fucking mission to get from here to there on your quest that's a big step for a lot of people who are dreamers to get really serious about it and bring it down to earth into an actionable thing, into a business plan, into a strategy, and then, you know, who do you need to make that story real in the return journey? And it is very deceptively simple, but I was taking a woman through this, like an incredible person who's working on a, oh, her name is Denise, and she's with Eco Thrive Housing, and they've cracked a whole new housing model that groups

So people can basically come together and split a mortgage and then use some finance wizardry to get the money for that mortgage and then pay it off without it going into what grand boy calls the waste disposal layer of the economy. Right. So that basically you're paying out that initial investment and that allows you to continually reinvest into more and more villages to basically solve the root cause of homelessness. And I was just taking her through the story. And in like 45 minutes of us talking when she's like in a little library, I asked her this question and she was just stay. off in a space and she was like and i was like it looks like a light bulb is going off like there was a little eureka i was like what what is that and she's like it all makes it it's so simple simple it all makes sense and i was like what and she's like just just when you ask these questions

and you put it together in the structure like that like it sounds simple but it's extremely efficient and powerful it's five questions that'll really fuck you up that'll like that'll unveil you to yourself and expose the broken story and align you to why you're here one question can change your life one of those questions why are you here you know to really ask that and not let up until you get an answer will change you the full journey will will change everything so yeah we're working with some serious magic we we don't take our work lightly it is magical it is extremely potent and powerful and beautiful and it's an honor to have gone on this journey to be able to share this with people because i didn't choose any of this i didn't choose to be thrust into this crazy

adventure and i suffered the whole way i mean now or at least i hit a threshold of that suffering and realized oh this is the point the point we can alchemize this into energy um but yeah it's just um again rambling because i'm burning all night and early in the morning but yeah i'm just really excited to share and and and i i i i'm beyond shilling and selling and that's another thing i'm i'm teaching people to do is to stop selling and stop lying to people that's what you said earlier on this line stop lying about who you are and tell the truth tell the truth and ask for what you need i mean if everybody just did that that alone could change everything stop lying tell the truth and ask for what you need you can change your life in a few weeks that's beautiful man i i always see the

question mark is a side. You know what I mean by that? Like those old size you would just chop stuff down with. It's like all questions are aimed to cut down. If you ask yourself real questions, then you know what? You can get some real answers out there. Zach, Zachary Marlow, incredible conversation, man. I'm truly grateful not only to have the conversation, but to be part of something bigger than myself and to see what you guys are doing. If someone's watching right now and we've got all the people in the shadow beer, where can they find you? What do you got coming up? What are you excited about? Yeah, you can hit, I mean, another world.

Dot Earth is a website. There's a shitty little type form there on that crappy $60 website that I made with my own hands. If you're a web designer out there and you want to help us do justice to this story, that would be a great ask. Yeah, we've got a Discord community that we're growing. We have an amazing team of really just brilliant wizard geniuses that are working on this every day. We're building up this larger network, this federation. you can reach me

I guess on LinkedIn is kind of where I'm active right now it's just funny I never expected like that would be the thing that would be the place I hear you it's kind of magical man yeah I mean I can't doomscroll it there's no doom I know I only find people doing cool stuff I only find adult people who are well resourced they drink their fucking water they got a morning routine they're like getting shit done it's great I love it

and I'm here to like step into it and just like toe the line of like challenging the system and speaking the truth that awakens people. That's a big one. You can just email me, Zachary at anotherworld.earth. Yeah, let me know your story. Reach out. Every one of you has a story, I guarantee it.

And I'm here to help find the best ones and raise the roof on all of them. I love it. I love it. Ladies and gentlemen, Zachary, hang on briefly afterwards with everybody else within the sound of my voice. I hope you have a beautiful day. Go down to the show notes.

Reach out to Zachary. incredible individual. He's got an incredible team around them. Everyone there is doing their best to become the best versions of themselves, create a better world for all of us. So Zachary, hang on briefly afterwards. Everybody else, have a beautiful day. That's all we got. Aloha.