TrueLife - Zeba Mirsa - The Creator Economy, A.I., & Giving Without Expecting

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

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I'm so thankful to not only be here with everybody today, but also to bring to your attention a rising star in the global creator economy. Ziba Mirza, for people that may not know, her and I are bridging this gap between Hawaii and India right now. It's so amazing to me that we can even begin to have this conversation so far away and touching so many different people. She's a content creator. She is a graphic designer, a writer.

She has worked with lots of people that I know. Bob Whitty in particular, Bob, if you're watching, thanks for being out there, my friend. But Zeba, I mean, Ziba, how are things where you are today? Maybe you can give us a little bit of a background about where you are and how you got started. Okay, the background and how I got started. That's actually a crazy story. I was into commerce and yeah, everybody at home were like, you are a meritorious student, don't go into arts.

So that is a cultural thing over here that people usually go into medical or commerce or, yeah, that's the thing that they usually do or engineering. But I was like, no, these things actually just pull me down. I don't want to go into it. But five years are to it and I was like, okay, I'm done. I'm leaving this space. I was, even though I was pursuing something that I did not personally like, even then I was doing really good at it. And I was actually ranking and things were really great. But there was something inside me that was saying that, no, this is not for you.

Don't go ahead into it. If you enter the real profession, that would just be like, you are something else. This is not for you. And so I started writing and then I started sharing my story. It started with Facebook and people started to just personally they used to love it. So I was like, okay, probably writing is for me. But no, it was not for me. I was a writer for like two years more.

And then I started teaching. My mom was a teacher. She was a teacher. She was lecturer. And that too for psychologists students. Oh, yeah, I got that thing into me. And then I was like, okay, I'm done with this also. But then, you know, somewhere or the other, I used to make designs right from the start.

When I was involved in commerce, you know, so even then I used to design something or the other, like an event flyer. My father is a marketer. So he used to ask me a lot for the designs, for the presentations. And yeah, I just loved my own designs and he loved it. The audience loved it. So, yeah, it was interesting to have my designs loved by people who don't even. know me. So I said, okay, now this is a leap of faith and I should get into this. And yeah, here I am. Like I have been doing many things right now with clients and everybody. And I,

every single day, I thank myself for having such a long journey and for finding myself in all of it. It's such a beautiful story. It is. It's a beautiful story. I, One of the, there's something like in the human condition, in the human spirit where if you're doing something you don't like and you're dying inside, I think it takes a lot of courage to stop to be like, I'm not going to do this. I don't like it. I'm not going to be this person. If I just stay on this path, I'm going to be miserable. It takes a lot of courage to stop doing that and move into something that you want to do. Maybe you could talk about that. Like, was that a difficult decision to make to do that? Or what inspired you do it? Of course. Of course. I had to fight. I had to fight. Nusper with my family and also society. Because when I started doing this, this was not acceptable. I was a student who was always ranking.

And they were like, has she gone nuts? Does she really want to do this? Because even my teachers, you know, they were like, oh my God. No, no, no, no. Ziba, you're not stepping that. road you are doing so good. I was like, no, I'm not doing good inside itself. Every single day I have to like, I just like, I need to make my mind and I need to get into this. But now when the situation is completely different now, I am like, okay, I need to stop doing so that I can do something else.

But no, I cannot stop myself. I just need to go into it. I just said every single day I write. up with a new enthusiasm and that is something I really love. Yeah, me too. I love it too. And I think so many people, whether you're in India or whether you're in Hawaii or no matter where you are in the world right now, this idea of the creator economy, this idea that you can have an opportunity to play a big role. Like we don't, we no longer need the passport to do commerce.

You and I can do a business together. We can share an idea. We can share a product. That's a pretty impressive. It's a pretty beautiful time to be alive, right? Absolutely. DeSwaris. And that's what I was saying. Like, we don't need visa formalities. Previously, even if we want to go to a neighboring country, we had to do so many formalities. But now, boom, I mean, you are on this call from Hawaii to India. And it's amazing. Like, how can we just connect? And, you know, the thing here is that. you write the greetings in Hawaii and I was like okay let me search on the internet what is the reply for this and then I typed it down and it was like wow this is so beautiful I don't file in but yeah this is crazy like we are just breaking boundaries we are doing

amazing things like I'm working with US clients I'm working with Pakistani clients I'm working with Indian clients and I don't need to be there to work with them. And that is absolutely so encouraging for me. Because I get to meet people of different cultures. And that is just mind-blowing. Like Bob, I and him, we met through another person who wasn't UK. And we met from that person and we got connected and then you got connected. It is a circle that we are making here.

And that's amazing. That's truly mind-blowing. We couldn't have a match. It did like 10 to 20 years back. No. That would not have been possible. And that's good. It is good.

It's so fascinating to me that we can create through these borders. And you have a very unique. perspective. You have a very incredible opportunity where, like, let me ask you this. What is it like to create for someone in the U.S. and then someone in Pakistan? Does the Western and the Eastern ideas, like, do they want different things when they come to you for a design? Do they want different things? Like, what's it like to be in that sort of, to be that sort of bridge? I don't think. I don't think so. Their mindset, their, you know, their perspectives can change, but what they want is, the end result they want

is the thing. Because I'm a graphic designer, I'm a content creator, so I find that there is, you know, there is a unique cultural, you know, globalization is there. So everybody wants the other people, their audience to know that they are not different from anybody else. So it is, something just they want everybody to understand what they are doing they want you know what I'm trying to say is that we are just breaking the barriers like we are doing the borders and everything so it has become a unified thing earlier what used to happen is that people used to use their own language like in Pakistan there is Urdu in India where I say we have Hindi Marathi where I say and then there will be a Portuguese

Spanish but now everybody is using the same language they are using the same visuals they are not differentiating between even like earlier it was racism so they are not they are even breaking those barriers and incorporating everything everything and that is just the end result which we get is just beautiful like i uh i collaborated with She's from UK and she's doing an amazing thing and that is empowering women. So what I tried to do for her is that I tried to bring different features. I brought a hijabi. I brought a UK person and then I brought a Nigerian woman.

So I tried to bring the sink into the design and that was the result was beautiful. So it is just mind-blowing. Yeah. It reminds me of like a. tapestry. Like when we, when we begin to weave our ideas together, like if I come to you, I'm really, I'm really kind of caught up on this thing. I can't really get this image to work, or I can't get this particular idea right? Can you help me? Because we're so cross-cultural, you'll have a unique perspective that can weave in the perfect thread to help me out and solve that.

And vice versa. Like, it's, I really don't think people thoroughly understand the, the amount of change. that we're coming up on right now. The fact that you and I can be talking, we're working together, changing ideas. It's so exciting. Absolutely. I agree.

I agree. And it is just, and AI has come in. So it is, you know, now it is a revolution. These things that was happening, like internet and everything,

that was breaking the barriers, but now AI has come in and it is revolutionizing how we actually communicate, how we design our day, how we interact with people and also it is just one step ahead into what we can actually achieve. And we don't need to be there. We don't need to be, we can handhold from here.

And we can support the emotions. We can, you know, it is so beautiful that if someone is there, he has a problem in Mexico. sitting in, you know, Nigeria, a person is actually handholding the person and taking him through the process. And just it is so streamlined. It is just amazing. Like how they are interacting, how they are doing step by step. So it is just beyond comprehension. Like everything is going on such a fast pace.

Yeah, the rate of change is accelerating so quickly. Another part of this whole creator economy that I'm really excited about is just the act that you can be helped by a random stranger in a foreign world that you've never known before. Like I can reach out to someone I've never met in my life and they may have the answers for me. But I feel like there's a there's a sort of connection that happened there. You know, for so long, people were trapped in their own communities and their own echo chambers. And like we sometimes just echo the ideas that we hear. So it's so beautiful to get to hear the different ideas and see the diversity, but not only see the diversity, but get to participate in it.

Right. It's a, let me ask you this question here. Over some of the people that I speak to, they really seem to be leery about AI and chat GPT and this sort of technology. They're afraid of it. What is it like where you're at? What is the attitude towards these tools? The more we get to adapt to it. This morning I was talking to my mom about it.

She was like, you know what Ziba? Whenever you want something, you need to adapt to it. If you are getting into a field, you need to do an number of things to be on the top. If you are afraid of something, it will just, you know, the fear will just, start accumulating. She is from a psychological background, so she can

actually understand it much better than me. But she was saying, like, when someone is afraid, the fear starts because they don't know something. And then the fear starts getting accumulated up and up, and it becomes a mountain. But if you want to break that mountain, you need to start doing it one step at a time and you

need to learn things, you need to do things. Even if, see, we were not aware of smartphones, but we learned it. And that has brought such a revolution in everybody's life. If someone today is saying that I don't know how to use a smartphone, then that person we would look at him like, oh my God, what are you talking about? Are you really living in 2023? So clearly, when we walked down the path, it is like in 2050,

be like, I don't know how to use AI. Okay, then you should go back to 2022 then. Or 2021. You are not here to say. We need to learn through it. We need to break the barriers in our minds. It's a same mind. We need to be receptive.

That's a hard truth, but we need to be receptive. We need to do things that we weren't doing before. And it would just make the process so easy. I agree. It's going to make it. everyone's life better. There should never be another boring paper ever written ever again. There's there should be so much more color and excitement and in bridging gaps. It's such a beautiful tool and I'm so thankful and in hopeful and curious to get to see what happens using

it. It's it's fast. Yeah, you and I am. I'm like seeing every single day, you know, there are a few creators on LinkedIn. They just post about AI and I'm like, oh, wow i didn't know about this when did this happen okay now even google uh they also brought a competitor for chat gpt and that was the if such an would not have posted it then i would not have known about it so there are a few creators who are doing just the things they are bringing every single day they are working on bringing new uh i to the platform like you should know about this you should know about this and I'm just looking at what a transformation it is bringing even in the health industry it is bringing a transformation like a boy was diagnosed he could not be diagnosed by 20

doctors but his mom went on chat deputy and she just it was just she asked a few questions and it diagnosed it so correctly so there is going to be something going on there and yeah It is going to be crazy. And it is actually going to be, you know, it is going to be revolutionary. If we accept it. But yeah, there's also one side to it. We humans need to be aware of that if we use it to control us, then it can take control of it. And if we do not input the right things into it, then it is going to be a disaster.

So it is like in a future, It can either be a boon for us or it can be a curse, but we need to bring positivity into it. So, yeah, it is going to be a very sure. Yeah, I agree. It seems like it's such a great equalizer. Like it really levels the playing field. It allows you and I to participate at a,

it's like having a whole think tank behind you. It's like having a team of people or analysts that will research whatever you want and it's right there. And that makes it so you and I can compete. against actual corporations on some level. It's a really beautiful time, right? Absolutely, absolutely. Like, I attended a workshop a few days back,

and they were actually showing us, like, how to generate leads. You can actually get so many leads just through AI. You just need to input your ideal customer persona. You need to bring that to the table. Just you need to be clear in your own mind first, and then you just need to input the data into it and it can actually revolutionize it. I have used the revolutionized words so many times.

It is actually doing the same thing. It is bringing something we humans would not have been able to think of it. And so many people have been given so many opportunities because of AI. So many, just because they have adapted to it, just because they have looked, learned how to control it rather than it having to control them. So they have brought about something which nobody could have thought about. Even a few Indians who were probably earning a very small amount. They use this skill and now they are earning loads.

Their pockets are pulling and their banks are bursting. So yeah, it can. bring about such a lot of things to us. Yeah. Yeah. I think another aspect of it is it brings back our time. Like it gives us our time back, right? So for so long, so many people have been doing, you know, what you said at the beginning. Like if you, so many people are doing things that they don't want to do because they feel like they have to. So I'm hopeful that these new technologies and this new creator economy that's emerging will allow. for more people like us to try and develop themselves into a more authentic version of themselves

and participate and bring value to and give value for their knowledge. I can't wait to see the fruit that emerges from so many people around the world beginning to do things that they actually want to do. You are right. You are right. Actually, I even, you know, like I myself, you know, before chat to be it or anything else. But now, you know, it is so, it is just like I'm typing. I have the right prompt.

I have the right skills to do it. And it just makes my process so much easier. It is privileged, I think, like I use it so many times. It has brought about, you know, a chunk of time. Even marketers are using it. Even writers are using. Raphid designers, we are using it to download. And we are producing images every single day, we can say.

We are producing bulk images through Midgerney, Leonardo. There are so many things out there. And then also presentations, you know, presentations, PowerPoint presentations. We spent so many hours. in it and some people used to think like why do i need to do this every single day but now there are tools when you just need to uh put it in your information your PDF and voila it's there it's there and they don't even if you don't have designers skills you can at least make the basic one you can at least bring it even if you are not a marketer but you know that the skills that

are used are what are the skills you just put into a chantipedee. And it gives you everything you need. From emails to prompts for other devices, other tools, it is giving you everything, everything. And it is magical. It is. Magic is happening over there. It's such an amazing time.

I plan a 10-day trip, which I would be taking in October, and that too, from chat. It gave me so beautiful. destinations, which I put on find on Google. Imagine that. Yeah. So we just want to go somewhere and there are not many tourists. We want the privacy with our family.

And I just thanked that and it gave me beautiful destinations. So you should try it sometime. I will. Absolutely. It's so amazing. I'm so thankful to get to live in this time that we live. And I'm curious, who are, like, you have a lot of different clientele that are coming to you for a lot of different reasons. What are some of the trends that you see happening where you are right now? The trends, actually, I more than me in India, I live on LinkedIn.

So the trends that's happening on LinkedIn is that most people are taking two branding. And they are actually, I personally am a graphic design. So what I do is that I make graphics for them. I'm trying to learn video editing so that I can bring more video content also. And then there are social media projects for Instagram also. And then it is completely like a brand is coming to you. They are saying that we don't know how to be uniformed throughout the platforms. And I am like, okay, let's do it for you.

And being uniform, bringing that visual identity, the storytelling to the platform is just, beautiful. It is actually like you are showing them that like before you could see that logos the logos were there then there were you can say the templates that you use for writing the letters and everything you can say letterhead and then the visiting cards but now everything is online and that's where we designers have actually mastered it that how you are going to present yourself online. And it's an art.

Like website, there are websites and there are social media platforms. There are professional platforms like LinkedIn. So how you are going to bring that identity and spread it throughout the digital universe? That's what we are doing. It's amazing how they all go to, I'm sorry. It's amazing how they all go together too. Like it's amazing how you have like a LinkedIn profile and Instagram profile, your own website and they all create this they all create like your own personal brand so many individuals

are becoming what a corporation used to be like one person now has this whole global reach it's it's mind-blowing to think about right absolutely absolutely so many startups they went online and they just boom it it helps them in fact even i you know i started two months back i was taking local clients before that but it was their journey was slow but as i started to take this on clients from online so at this two months back like in june july i started and then i started posting content posting content is so so empowering you know i just thought i was not thinking of business when i started posting i was just doing it because i wanted to do it and then people started to come in here Carosa's are so beautiful.

Your writing is so encouraging. Can you do that for us? And I was like, oh, does it go this way? I'm posting content out there. I'm just being me and people are coming in. And they are saying that we want to work with you. And I'm like, wow, why did not I think about this two years back when I started? It would have been, so, you know, it would have been empowering for me.

So I'm helping people who have not been on this digital landscape and I'm bringing them on. Come on, you also should do this. Come on, come on. I have brought about at least two to three people on here so that they can feel what I am actually feeling. And it can actually address their lives. So I love it. I'm loving the journey also. Yeah, it's what an amazing gift to give to give to somebody.

this idea that you can make someone's life better by showing them what you're doing. And it's so, it's contagious in a way. You know what I mean? Like when you start doing things for other people, you feel it kind of come back to you. Which you and I spoke previously about this idea about giving without expecting. Like it's such a beautiful way to, maybe you could talk a little bit about that philosophy in the creator economy. Okay.

That one, actually, that post was inspired by Jasmine Alec, but it is also a deep meaning for name. My mom always says that don't do something so that you get something. Right. Like, I have been the person in my house to do some things for people, from my family members, for my friend, so that they have a smile on their face. Not just because I'm getting something in return. And that is the same thing, the same persona I brought online with me. And I'm doing some things that people are resonating with. And if someone comes up to me and they say that I need profile revamp,

okay, let me give it away for you if you cannot afford it, if you cannot do it. So let me give it away for you. And also not just that, I've also been involved in. a few more projects where I believe that I should give more than even if the client is paying me. Even then, it's not about the money. It is about giving to them more quality so that at least I can sleep at peace. Yeah, I delivered the best thing I could. Even if I might not be doing something, they are looking at I should be doing something better than what they have been envisioning.

And so every single space we can actually give so much more. So much more we can give rather than we can expect in return. And it actually multiplies. We are thinking that if we are giving it away, we are losing our time, we are losing so much, so many space and so much of our hours. But it's not that way. If you're giving it away, it will accumulate. If not now in a year, if not in a year, in two years, but it will come back to you.

It is going to be so much rewarding in the long run. It is not just today that you are looking at. So many people are just looking at what they are getting today, what they are reaping today. But it's not about today. You are not year for today. You are here for a lifetime. Actually, it is just a concept which my mom has instilled in me. I can say that most of the mores, most of the things that I get as from my mom,

yeah, I am a Muslim. So that is a completely different thing. But also I have got really beautiful concepts, beautiful values from my mom too. And it is rewarding. It's rewarding me. Yeah, she sounds like a beautiful, amazing, incredible woman. I'm so thankful that she has those values and she taught them to you and you're explaining them and talking to me about them and sharing them with me and the audience right now. I love that idea because so much, it happens so much in the creator economy where people are trying to create something for other people.

And there's no real boundaries. Like there's no real rules yet that are like, okay, I did this for you. Now you do this for me. It's it's so much more rewarding to know that you've created something for somebody and they're going to be respectful of it and use it in a way that brings value to them. That's more than money. It's it's greater than that on some level. The fact that we're all playing a part in making other people's lives better. I don't know how you quantify that, right?

I don't know how to quantify it, but it's beautiful. But I mean, so you do have to make a living on some level, right? Yeah, you're right, you're right. Like, even if I am, I told you, like, even if I'm getting paid for it, I would be, this person has earned it. The person who's paying me, he has earned it. Just like I am working to earn. He has earned it and I need to deliver something that he should be happy about.

It's not just about the money. It's about the satisfaction that you get. The, you know, it is sometimes if you don't deliver something really well, and you know that you could have done it. And it's like you are sleeping at night and you're lying on your bed and you're thinking about it that I could have done better at this. I could have done something which I did not put into it. So it's just like that carpenter's story. Do you know that story that he was going to retire and then the, boss told him to make one last house for him and he said okay let me just put into this as soon as

i can build it i was anyway i was going away so who cares and then the boss was like okay the keys to the house are yours and he was like i couldn't build something better yeah that is a bit of a philosophy that you should know that there is something better that you could work with it into, even if it's the last project, you can't have been something great. That's a great. I never heard that story before. That's an awesome story.

Yeah, I heard it back when I was a kid, and my teacher told me about this one. And she was like, you should always put your best into whatever you are doing. It's not just about what you would be getting into that. It's about giving it, giving it away. So it is just a beautiful concept. which many of us, especially today's fast-paced, we are, and especially the initials who are coming up,

they are earning huge. But they also need to remember that the principles, the morals that were taught by our seniors, we should imbibe that into us, and we should take it where we go. It's not just about today, it's not just about tomorrow. It is about the conscience. we should not let it die just because we are earning something.

It is about being the thing that we will be satisfied that, yeah, I was something for someone and that person was happy with what I did for that. It is the thing that is something, you know, even Bob and I talk about this so many times that he does so many things for me. And so I'm so thankful to him, you know. I just met through a chat and he is so giving. So, you know, he is not giving me without expectations. He is like, no, no, you go, you go.

You are, you go, girl. You are having so many talents in you that you should be a rising star. You should rise. And I'm like, this is what is giving without expectations. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's, you know, I'm so fascinating. to get to speak to different creators from around the world.

And one thing that I think that a lot of people, at least that I speak to, or maybe it's just my life or what I'm seeing where I live, is that it seems to me, when I hear you talk about learning from the wisdom of the elders around you, it seems to me like in the Western creator model, like there's not enough of that. there's not enough of people in the Western model that are learning from their elders. It seems like we have a real breakdown right there. It seems that when I look at some of the creativity that's coming out of the Eastern model,

it seems to be harkening back to tradition and historical values. We're in the Western model. It seems to be more of like pushing boundaries and like isolation in some ways. Those are just some things that I see. Do you see those things or do you see different things in those different creative strategy. You know, this is because in our family system, we're not allowed to break the boundaries and go away. We're not allowed to fly away from the nest unless and until we have something to back us up. And even then, our parents are so protective of us, so encouraging of us,

we would be having, sometimes it is also like, we want to fly away. But they, they hold us back and they keep telling us, keep giving us those values, keep imbibing into us. It is like a lifelong learning for us. Even my mother, I have seen her even after she had children, she used to get learning from her mom. Like, you are not allowed to do this. I think in the West, there is a freedom model where many people,

they are, even if they are 18 and they are earning, they have the separate dwellings, they have the separate lives. So that is the difference between the two. And that's why sometimes we feel like we want to get into the Western modern. But then our cultures, our elders are holding us back. So it is something different. Yet both are beautiful if taken in a balance. Yes. It is in a balance. It is beautiful. It is. Otherwise, even this type would be a bit of suffocation, though it should not be that way. Yes, sometimes it can come as a suffocation if children don't understand that their elders have a good interest for them.

So that is very important. Yeah, it's really well said. And it's so fascinating to me. I guess we have this saying, like the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Right? Like it's really not But I mean you think that it is So when people in the West They look over like oh look at this rich tradition

They have and this respect for they have But hearing you talk I could thoroughly understand how I could be suffocating in some ways And be like oh guys too much you know And it's it's Maybe that's what the creator economy Yeah maybe that's what the creator economy is doing right now Is you and I are finding this balance

Like there has to be an intricate balance between tradition and individualism, between, you know, the pushing boundaries and having respect. Maybe that's what's emerging now as this new balance. Yeah, because we are, we don't need to learn by going there and being there. We can learn from an online birth. We can learn how people are there and we can invite that values. I learn every single day. And so every person who has her mind open, they can learn so much, so beautifully, and they can get the same values.

Like we are growing at a pace where we can have so many opportunities. We did not have that before. Where I come from, it is a developing country. And people are usually going outside. They are getting so many, so much business from out there, and they are learning their values. And that is enriching their lives, learning how, and the discipline also. The discipline that is taught in the West is something different, that you need to be responsible for your own selves. Here, we are having that responsibility on our parents, on our elders.

They take care of us till we are living under their churches. and they are hand-holding us, they are helping us. So in a way, we don't become that, you know, what do we say, autonomous. But it's a great culture when we are helping each other, where we are there for each other. So best people are learning that and getting into the community in a beautiful way. I love that. Me too.

Me too. Also, our parents are also learning from West parents. How their teaching is how, like, you know, there is a very beautiful thing that the West people, they train their kids from beginning. They train them from when they are two or three. There is a mortisering also, a new concept where the kids are getting their own. own things done. So we are at a global level, we are doing that. So we are all, everybody is learning and growing at the same level. And it's beautiful. It is beautiful. It's amazing to, sometimes it's easy to forget, you know, at least in the West where I see so much, when I turn

on the TV, there's all this negative news all the time. It's so easy to get caught up in all that negativity when if you just see what's happening behind the scenes, people growing together, the schools changing rapidly. Schools are changing so fast that you almost don't even need the schools anymore because people are learning online. What is education like over there nowadays? You know, like I said, Montessori system. They are draining kids from the beginning and they are growing them to be even yet I feel there is a bit of lacking in the schooling system. So parents are giving them separate education. They need to still there is a long way to go.

They are bringing them even when there are online schools available, online teaching is there. Still schools are there to handhold people. they are there to grow them up. But personally, you know, what I feel is that when a child is at home, that's the best education of child can get. Like homeschooling, you can grow them on the values that you want them to invite. Not just going out of them. There are a lot of core-curricular activities that you can get them into,

but not the traditional system because the traditional system needs to grow rapidly. as rapidly as AI is coming as rapidly as technology is changing they are not moving at that pace so that needs to be done that needs to be done that needs to be encouraged and that needs to be there so that in fact I personally say that if I would have learned freelancing when I was in school that would have so much better I could have been doing so many things beforehand and also like I said that that people are a bit slow at the society is a bit slow at encouraging people to take up unconventional paths. Though the unconventional parts can actually lead to successful roads, they are a bit slow. So even schools won't be encouraging that to be done because otherwise it would be a society where they would be getting a lot of, you know, upheaval, chaos. So even that needs to be taken into consideration.

But yes, a lot of things are changing now. And modern parents, they are getting empowered and they are pressuring them to change. So it's a mixture. It's a mixture. Not too bad, not too good. I love to see the change happen from the ground up. For so long, it seems like change had come from the very top and you had to have all these things change.

but now it sounds like the people on the bottom are creating the change and it's moving upward through education through families through the creator economy it's it's really a beautiful trend that I'm thankful and like you said if if had you learned to be freelance even five or seven years ago you'd be far further along now I would be further along had I stopped that I was doing and started doing this stuff now it's maybe that should be our message to people is that if you feel like you're being called to do something. Maybe you are. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Like I have my nephew. He is just eight months old now. Actually, I have vowed to bring him up in a way that he should be brought up rather than the things that I missed on. So there's a beautiful message that's an encouraging one that the kids that you have around you just bring them. up the way you have so many things you have missed on you know that the world is changing the world is growing so bring this generation up so that we can hand over the torch to them and they can lead the path so it is going to be a generation that is empowered that is that has enlightenment and they

know that they can and they should do something powerful out there It is actually I do that myself like with my nephew. So I am going to want that. I also tell people around me who have kids that they should be, they should show the pathway. Look, you don't know. They should be showing the pathway that they did not get themselves. Parents, they had given them something that they knew.

But the world is completely different now. So giving them the torch, they need to be the torch bearers. Like there is a beautiful saying, I don't remember it correctly. But when you said that, I just remember it. I don't know who said it. That your life is going to be over, but the next generation is coming up. So they need to be the torch bearers. And they need to lead the way.

So you need to empower them. It is an old thing. but I don't exactly get the words right now. And it is something quite wise, quite wise that I personally learned from. And that's why I try to look at ways to make his life, you know, even if the world changes through AI, even if the world changes to technology, even if we have a lot of robots working around us, even then they should know how to carve a path for them.

rather than being controlled by these things. Yeah, I agree. That's beautiful advice. And I love the idea of giving in the torch so that, because soon we're going to be the ones in the dark. You know, if you just, if you look how fast things are moving,

there's no way we can keep up with the technology that's coming out, all the different language models that are coming out. Like you can't even keep track of all of them. But the next generation, they're already scanning them, they're looking through them. And, you know, we've got to hand the torch back.

I'm going to show me the way because we're going to need them to show us the way really soon. Absolutely. Because like we did that, we did that for our parents. We were the ones, they didn't know much about technology and we were the ones who showed them the path. We told them that, okay, mom, this is how this works. This is the smartphone is not just a box. It has so many things inside. There's a world inside it.

And you need to learn to stay updated. And we talk to them. The basics. We were like, yes, you taught us so many things you gave us, but now it's our duty. So they should have the same psychology, the same mentality that we need to give back. And we need to give both ways. And it's for our elders also and also for our younger ones that it goes both ways. And it should be that way.

That this is an interconnected world that we are living in. So on the idea of technology, a lot of the times, like I'll take all, I'll offer, if I'm going to provide a service for somebody, I try to give them as many ways to pay me as possible, be it PayPal or Bitcoin or some kind of cryptocurrencies, even like just changing favors for favors or work for work. But I'm curious, what is it like where you're at with the idea of cryptocurrency? Are people taking different cryptos over there? Is that acceptable? Is it not acceptable? What's going on in that aspect? personally i'm taking gift currency so i don't know about other people yeah but i'm doing that and because i had invested some amount in it and i found it easier and then i am also very a bit of a person who is not good with thanking so i personally do that it's so much easier and so when everything is at one place you don't need to go to the bank if you don't need to go to the bank if you're

some there is some problems it's just at one place and it is just a click that you need and everything is solved so uh i need to research into how many people are doing that because most people are not doing that they just use upi or uh for they also use the vice app pioneer uh paypal uh and i personally use crypto so uh there are a few mediums that we use and also that uh other international people are finding it easy. Yeah, it really speaks. I think it speaks to the idea of you and I doing business together. Like, why do we need somebody else to worry about that?

Like, I'm going to get, I want to buy this from you. Why don't have I got to tell anybody else? I don't have to pay other people for that. Like, you guys stay out of here. Me and Zeeber do it's a business, all right? Exactly. That's why I've never inquired about it, what they, doing what is comfortable for me and my client that's fine with me.

So recently I started with the PayPal thing because one of my clients was finding it hard. Finance is not there at her place. She's in UK so it's banned over there. So she was like, okay give me another way another way. She was saying she was following me and she was like, no, no, you need to do that, you need to do that. I was like okay okay I'll need some time. I need some mental space and cleared out. So yeah, I went on PayPal and then I registered.

Even when I was doing a transaction with BOP, I could not do it because I hadn't registered properly. So that is one thing I need to learn about that my clients, they need something to ease themselves out. It's not just about me, it's about them also. So it's a two-way process. So I need some things that they should find easy. Whatever it is, I'm going to go out there, I'm going to learn,

I'm going to change myself, but it should make their life so much easier. That's the process that I think about. So it's going to be, you know, life changing for both, not just me. They also should feel, like I said, giving back is so much important. So even in the payment thing, they should be feeling like, okay, she made my process easier. Yeah. Yeah, it's such an amazing time. I'm so thankful.

Let me ask you this, Ziba. Are there particular avenues of this economy that you like doing the best? Are you more drawn to the graphic design or do you have bigger visions for something else? Or is there something in particular that you're working towards right now? Actually, I am looking at just the branding. Right now, I am. I am single-handedly doing it. And I am breaking a space where other copyrighters, other marketers, other people can come together

so that I have a vision for a long term. But like I said that two months back, my business was going a bit slow. Now it has taken fast space. So I need to start an agency or something where there's a space for everybody. I have also, I also have a few website developers in my back. Then I have a few good copywriters, landing page writers. So there is a space I need to create where everybody can contribute and we can make it a business where everybody is loved and everybody can spread it to others so that they can also contribute to it. Alone being, doing it is not going to make impact.

It is always a person has limited resources, has limited mental capabilities to do it. But when a lot of people, a lot of brilliant minds, come around and they do something together, it is going to be boom. It is going to be just, I can explain that, but it is great. Yeah, it's, what advice would you give to some people

that are trying, sometimes when people start out, they're on their own and it gets overwhelming for them. You know, and it can be very daunting. What advice would you give to somebody who's trying to build up this thing around them? The advice would be just hang around, just hang around, learn from people. You will get great people like you charge and Bob, and they will be like, okay, you need to do this.

You have some talent in you. You need to go ahead. You are not alone in this. You need to go ahead and there will be people. I am sure about it because I have got people who I was there. I was back there. Though graphic designing was my passion, it was my calling. But I was there.

There were times when I thought, okay, let's just call it quits. We did that in the back, but let's do it now. But now, then there was people around me who were like, No, you need to do this. You have such an amazing talent in you. You are something that people envision to be, and you can bring about a change in the world, and you can do this.

You are not alone in this. We are there to support you. So, yeah, you are going to make ripples in the sea, and every ripple is important. Every ripple is important. So just hang on there, hang on there, as long as you can so that you yourself start to see that triples get into tides or waves, whatever the process be, just be there.

And there will be times when again, when you are at the top, you would be feeling like, okay, this is enough. I have had a lot of things in my hands. Now I'm very well done now. Now I need to go. But even when you are at that point, I've seen a lot of people quit even when they reach the top. But that is also not the place to quit because many other people are looking up at you.

They are looking up at you because you have created a model. You have created an inspiration for others. So you need to be, you need to stick there. You need to know that if you quit now, there are a lot of people you would be affecting. You would be, you might be, there might be someone who is just looking. up to you because he or she has not been able to find any other inspiration. And if you quit, they will quit. They will quit.

So there is no option for you. Then you have put yourself out there. There's no option for you to go back. You just need to keep going. Yeah, you can change it into like I went from content writing to teaching and then I went to graphic design which is helping me because content writing and graphic designing, I can combine it. But I did not entirely leave that.

I knew I am a good writer. Then I found my passion and designing. So I clubbed it. I did not just leave something behind. So you cannot just leave it. You can micro-nish it or you can make it a big niche, like leveling up. But you cannot just because you are not feeling it. That is not the thing that you need to do.

I have actually pulled some people inside. Like a few of my friends that started to leave the space just because they were feeling overwhelmed. So I said, no, you have just been here like 15 days or a month and you were saying that you are going. That's not how it worked, girl. You need to be here. And they have done the same for me also. So it is a circle you need to keep creating. You need to keep growing.

and many people are getting inspiration from you. So keep doing what you are doing because we are doing it amazingly. It's so well said. I think that you never know who's watching. You never know who's listening to the words that you're speaking. And you may never meet the person that you inspire. But the fact is just having the courage to get up and go after it every day, regardless of your circumstances, may create that one word,

that one product, that one service, that one thing that someone else can grab on who is desperately looking for something. It just goes to show how connected we all are. Absolutely. Absolutely. Every single thing that you bring out to the world, it is creating something that we cannot even think what is kind of an impact it can bring. But it is bringing something out there.

And you might not see it today. You might not see it tomorrow, but there will be a time when you can actually see what you did there, whether it was good or bad. So yeah, just keep doing it. Just keep creating it. Yeah. It's such a beautiful thing. And isn't it a wonderful feeling? Like I feel like that's why we're here to create things for so long.

It's so easy to get caught up and in just doing things. And that's when I feel like that life begins to wither inside of you when you stop creating. You know, when you go to this job that you hate. But maybe you have to do it for a while. But even then, you can still find time to create something. Like just begin creating something in your life. And it will begin to blossom into a more fulfilling and loving and inspiring thing. It'll grow inside of you, right?

Right. That's actually magical. What you just said was just so beautiful because creating every single thing. Like we on LinkedIn, the LinkedIn creators, we actually say, don't just think, don't just be there. Start creating. Just bring content out there. Like I said, my life changed when I created.

I was creating back then. I was doing many things. But one fine day, I thought, okay, so many people are saying LinkedIn is doing great, LinkedIn is doing great. Let's go and see what LinkedIn is actually. doing. And I was like, okay, now I'm going to make something out of the bloom. I don't know what I'm going to do. But it actually, that was the first thing that hit 4,000 impressions and I just had to be two followers. I was like, oh my God, is this what happened? Yeah. And it gave me a boost. Just because I thought one find

it, let's go and create something. Nobody knew me out there. But now I have following, I can't say that it is a great It's actually something I would not have thought about because I was just doing it for free or for my own inspiration. But yeah, it was something that actually created something out there. It created a community. It created some people. They started doing things because they saw them. A few Muslim girls because I always have that hijabi avatar. so I showed them something that they can bring it out there.

There was a feeling in them probably that probably we cannot make a brand out of ourselves. But I showed them, no, this is something that people love because it's you. It's being authentic. It's being you. You are creating something that is around you. Nobody is going to say, why are you doing this? Because you are just bringing the best out in you. And people love that.

People love when you are doing it out of sheer creativity, sheer curiosity, and you are bringing the best out there. It does not matter to them that who in the world, who are you? They know you. Probably that is a part that's a side where, which even your own family does not know, but they know. The community that you have created, they know that this person has been building it through the months, through the years, they have built something strong out there.

And that is so hard to break because you have been doing it every single day. You have been creating, you have brought yourself out into the world. You are just, you have breaking the shell that held you back and you have just, few of it. So yeah.

I actually say that every day that just go there. Create, create, create. Even if you think that it is stupid, do it. Because somewhere out there is, I make it beautiful. Yes. Changing someone's life. So go and do it. Yeah, it's so worthwhile.

It's so beautiful and it's so inspiring. And there's something. magical that happens after you've created for a while and you start looking back on things. Like, oh my gosh, I can't believe that I made that. And sometimes it doesn't even make sense until you get to a certain spot. And then you look back like, oh, yeah, that's why that happened, right? Yeah, actually. And when we look back at what we did, also sometimes we feel like,

what kind of crap did I use to make and where did it reach? Yeah. That happens. and we also feel like, have we given the best to the clients we had back then? Because we are growing every single day, we are improving. We are going, at least we are improving one person every day. That is the thing most important, that your next day should be better than your previous one. Your next post should be better than your previous one.

Your next writing should be at least one person. Even if you are not improving 10%, that's a huge leap that you are going to have, you are going to get back to what you just did. So, yeah, at least one person every single day. And that is going to be magical. That is going to be something, you know, like you can see how Disney transitioned from the, you can just look back at where they were and where they are now.

So that is how you should look back at yourself and say, Okay, I was there. Now I'm here. Not go back. Yeah, it's a great way. And I love this idea of doing it out in front of everybody. You know, there's something vulnerable about it where you're like, like, I make mistakes.

I say, sometimes I go back and look at myself, I'm like, oh, I can't believe I said that. You know, we're our own worst critics. But I think there's something really beautiful about creating things in front of everybody else. the mistakes. Here's the wins. Here's the losses. And building online is a really beautiful thing. Absolutely. You're right. Like, you know, someone said it very well to me that when you are taking a goal, go out and announce it to the world. Go out there and announce it to everybody you meet. Just go there. So that when you are thinking that you are going to quit, you are not going to do it because you have told it to so many people. you have announced it and now you are getting yourself accountable because you have just put yourself out there. So similarly it works here also that when you are doing something, you might be feeling that why did I do that?

But then you did something which you felt at the moment it was right. Maybe the next moment you might not be feeling that it was right, but you did something that at the moment you were feeling that it was right. So that's a use lesson for us that we do not need to punish ourselves or we do not need to say that. Why did I do that? In fact, I was also the kind of person who used to punish myself for saying something or for, I used to. But now when I'm in the creative space, I just think, okay, that was a lesson for me. What did I learn from there? Okay, now let me build on to this.

let me do something differently, which I could not have done before. So it is helping me every day. Yeah, I love that. And it brings up this idea of spirituality for me. I think going out and telling the world, like, I am going to be a podcaster. And you can tell everybody you know, or whatever declarative statement you want to make, that's you going into the world and saying, I'm going to do this. And the world's like, oh, you are.

Let me challenge you. Let me see it. Let me try to scope you into the person you want to be. And so often we think that these challenges that we find are things that are turning us away or they're trying to make us quit. But really, the world is trying to help us become the very thing we want to be. All those challenges, all those tests. Like, it's spiritual in nature in some way. I can't think of a better word to describe it.

Absolutely. Absolutely. There is spirituality holding us back. Like I said, that conscientiousness, there is something inside us and in us. voice that if we just okay so what people are there holding us accountable so what i will still break it that's something if you just do that then you are actually killing that part in you which was actually there you were you had something mismarizing in you you had something out there but you actually killed it but now when you know that this is something you wanted to do like

I said that I was held accountable for the society before, but I did not want to do it. I did not want to do it, the commerce wheel. I wanted to leave it myself because there was something pricking in me. But when you decide that no, I want to become a traffic designer, I want to build brand identities for people. I want to do this because there are many people who don't know how to do it themselves. I want to handle them. I want to show them. And then you tell it to tens of people, then that is what matters.

Because you have taken the decision yourself. That's the main thing that's important because that was coming from inside. And don't just break it. Don't just kill it because that is going to hurt you. That is a way that you are killing your own thing. You're killing something that God gifted you with. You were not supposed to kill it, but you are doing it. just because you're not feeling, you're not feeling overwhelmed or you're not feeling like doing it.

So there is a huge power in what you can actually bring into the world. You might be thinking that I am just one person, what can I do? But every single ripple, like I said, that there's such a beautiful map behind you. The option, it has all the ripples here, but every single ripple matters. Yeah, that's so well said. I believe wholeheartedly. And I believe so much that that's what I want to do. I want to be like I have such a similar story where I was doing something for like 27 years.

And part of me died inside. Like I killed that voice. I told that voice no. So many times that it stopped talking to me. You know, and it was like, okay. And then it got to a point where like, okay, no, no, I'm not going to do it anymore. I'm going to stop doing it. I'm going to start listening.

I'm going to start becoming the person I want to be. And all of a sudden, even though it's been very difficult, like I see the relationship with my daughter change. I see my relationship with my wife change. I see the way people look at me differently. I start feeling different. I start listening to that voice. And I see the way the universe responds to me differently.

You know what I? That's what I want. I want more people to get to feel that. That, like there's no amount of more. money. There's no amount of anything that can reward you the way that that feeling can reward you. And it's like this unification in some way of spirit and soul. And it's so rewarding and beautiful. And I want more people to get to experience that. And I think the only way more people will is if you as the individual, listen to your own voice. And that's when you get to radiate inspiration. And I hope more people can do it.

I think that's the only way you can do it is by setting the example, though, right? Right. Yeah, right. Like setting the example that you are doing things, that you are doing something that you had set your mind to, you have set your heart to, it's your heart's falling and God has gifted you with it and you can inspire everybody around you. Like, again, I've said my mom that she says that if only you can do something, your siblings can change how they look at the world. One person is enough. to change the society. It is like you are changing yourself. Then the people around you change themselves. Then there's a circle that they own. They will change themselves. Then the circle gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

And the whole community gets into it. And you never know how far the implications can go. You can never know how far the things that you are doing, the results they are getting. Like I reached you out to you. I reached Hawaii. Yeah. It's just a beautiful thing that you start creating and then people around you, then around you.

Then it's just like we are living in the digital universe. So you never know where you are throwing what you started. It's so beautiful. It's so magical. It's just transformational for everybody. It is. We just need to see where it goes. And then sit back and see, okay, this is where it is going.

And you are going to enjoy it. I agree. I agree 100%. Ziva, I love talking to you. We got to do this more often. I'm really thankful that you took some time to hang out with me today. and I get to learn a lot about some of the stories you told me I never heard before and I'm going to totally use those ones

about the keys and the building the house. Charlie, Charlie can do that. You can do it. Because I believe that every person you meet every person you get in touch with has something in them that you can learn from, even if that person is a baby, eight-month-old nephew of mine, I posted that seven lessons I learned from. So if I get to teach you something and if you get to teach me something, so we should take it to the world. We should make it, you know, we should make it a memory that we come back to and we cherish.

Yeah. So it is beautiful. Yeah. I'm going to write that down. That's awesome. I wish more people would think like that. It just seems to me the idea of relationship is something that maybe we've never, maybe some of us have never really been taught what the purpose of a relationship is.

And maybe that's what we're beginning to do now is really understand what it means to be in relationship with somebody else and relationship as a creator. and I don't know. It's just more and more inspiring than what I think about it. Yeah, actually, I agree. I agree. That we do not know what relationships are,

how they work, and that's why we create disasters. We create disasters. I can also say that I'm a divorcee, so I actually did not know what a relationship is, but through the process, I learned it. I broke the shell, and then I tried.

In fact, you know, it all starts with our own selves. We don't know. We don't have a relationship with ourselves. We don't know ourselves. That's why we cannot connect with the other person. And that's why we cannot do anything. It starts with us. The inner circle we have.

Then also the relationship we have with God. That also matters a lot. And it is, everything is connected. We start having a relationship with God. We start having it with ourselves. else we start to get to know ourselves better. We start to get to know our parents, our siblings, our kids, everybody. So that's how going back to the basics helps.

Yeah, that's where you find, you find out what matters, what's meaningful. And maybe you can't really grow as a person until you do begin to understand who you are and the point of relationships and how rewarding they can be. Maybe you can't really begin to love yourself until, maybe you can't really begin to love other people until you love yourself, right? Right, right. And listen, until you know who you are, you cannot actually love others. You cannot actually bring that love to the world.

Ziba, like, I'm curious. Like, I've never been to India. And I, it seems to me, like in the West, we have a lot of different mental illnesses. to people in in India where you are, do they suffer the same mental illnesses that we have like in the West? That's actually a tough question to answer.

But do you know, there are, but there's one thing that, like I said, that when other relationships are affected, that's when the mental illnesses start to happen. So like in India, we have a close-knit family system. So there are lesser chances, but now it is increasing as we are leaving it behind the basics,

the values. The more we leave it behind the higher the chances of getting into it. So the basic thing is that once you start to have that relationship, then everything is into place. Again, my mom is into psychology. so she also taught me that she reminded to me that you need anything that is not connected with the higher power it is going to break you it is going like the drugs that people are young kids are taking the they are getting themselves into speed driving and everything that is because

they are thinking that they only have this life so live it the way they want so that That is also a major reason why mental health is getting affected. So unless and until you have that you are accountable to a higher power, you are accountable. And so if you have that in you, then mental illness won't affect you. Like I myself support from trauma. I have a history in it. I have a history in depression.

And I'm here. And I can say that I'm free from depression. I'm free from trauma because I had something. which was not in connection, which was not in sync with my true purpose, with the higher power. I did not have that in me. So you need to start. Even if anybody has that in them, we are seeing the science. They need to go back.

They need to get the values. They need to start reading spiritual books. They need to get themselves together. I was in, my mom herself, she was into, anxiety. She had anxiety, terrible anxiety. So I can say it from a perspective that it's not about the West or the East. It's about the person themselves.

And unless and until they get themselves together, nothing can help them. Absolutely nothing can help them. So starting to get yourself just one day at a time. That is going to be empowering. enlightening through the process and it's going to be you know i can say that my mom was a patient of anxiety i was a patient of depression uh my sister she also had clinical depression so yeah we had these things happening but we cross the paths we pulled ourselves out and we can actually do that She was under such heavy dowage that she could not move from the bed.

She had panic attacks. She had a lot of things going on. But now I can see her moving around. She is in perfect help. And thanks to God that she is in perfect health. Almost things helps her. And so many things can help a person. Even if a person is near suicide, they can praise themselves back from that.

And that is something they can do. Yeah, and it's a huge success. I think it's a beautiful success story to get to a spot that is very difficult and then find your way back. Like that, that just allows you to understand that you can solve or at least ascribe meaning to any event in your life. And you get to choose what that means to you. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like I, myself, you know, I had a history with trauma because I was into an abusive relationship. but I brought myself out.

I was near suicide, you know. I can myself say that I was near suicide, but I know that any person, even if near suicide, they can get themselves together. They can bring themselves out and they can show it to the world that it is possible. It is possible and they can become a success story too.

So nobody is a lost cause. Nobody at all. Nobody at all. That's why I say that just get yourself out there. just get yourself together and it is going to change the world. I love it. I love it. I

couldn't agree anymore. I think that once you begin creating that you'll change people's lives, you'll make the world better and all you have to do is just start. Just begin. Just take one simple step and the rest will begin to unfold in front of you.

Yeah. It is just like a puzzle that just gets together. Yeah. it just gets together. And then you can look back at it and you can think, oh, I was there and here I am. Ziva, this is so much fun. Thank you very much for hanging out with me today.

I really appreciate it. I'm looking forward to talking to you more in the future. And I'm so thankful to bounce some ideas off you and understand what's happening in the creator economy. And thank you for speaking to my. audience but before I let you go where can people find you and what do you got coming up? Oh, where can people find me on LinkedIn because when I'm not living in India and when I'm not living with my family I'm on LinkedIn and so just I have that Zaba designs or you can find

me with Zaba Mirza and yeah just come there and we can have a friendly chit chat over there because I love to chat with people. I am a bit of I don't approach people, but when someone approaches me, I am all, okay, let's come, let's go. What are the problems? Yeah, what are the problems I have? Let's get together and just bring it to the world. We can transform that. You can just hang out on LinkedIn with me and yeah, that's the place to find me. I'm also deciding my website also. So it will be. launching soon. It will be launching soon. It would be the design high, the EZIL. So I would be

launching that soon. So yeah, that is one place that I would be hanging out on and then my LinkedIn. I'm nowhere else. Though my footprints are there, but I'm not there. I don't use Instagram or anything else much. Right. LinkedIn is such a great commitment. It was actually so honoring for me. I I was the bubble and I went out there on podcast. So I haven't done even one single audio event. But now I think I must have to do that also. Thanks to you and Bob. He was pushing in the background.

He was like, I was like, Bob, George is asking me for a podcast today. And he was like, yeah, yeah, go ahead. And I'm there to support you. I will be there. So I was like, okay, okay. I don't know what to do now. And, you know, even today morning, I was trying to distract myself. I was doing my work.

I was designing since morning so that the nervousness could go down. But now I'm feeling confident. Yeah. I think I was a live event or something like that. I had told him that I wouldn't do this before 5 came. I reached 5K followers. but he was like, no, I'll make you do it. And you see me today, I am here.

That's how, you know, have people around you who can actually push you to do that. It's so important. And also, I ask my mom. She is so, she's like my best friend, you know. So that's why I keep telling everybody that my mom did that. Because I personally, she's my best friend and I'll share every single thing that's happening with me. I'll go to her and just, I would be like, Mom, someone is asking me for a podcast, should I do it? So she was like, you should go ahead.

And why are you going to ask me? That's the kind of reaction she gave me. And I'm like, oh, let's see. But yeah, thanks to you, George. This was such a memorable one. And thanks for boosting my confidence also. And now I feel like I can break it. I can break the barriers of so many things that I have been, like we talked about fear.

There are the things that get accumulated and we pull ourselves out there. But now I can break all the boundaries and keep growing and keep giving to the world more from here. I would listen to your podcast if you started one. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'll send it to you. I'm still honored that once I've reached a 5K mark, only that I will go for it. So after 5K, my whole brand is going to change. My whole identity is going to change.

So let's care for it. Only one K to go. So yeah, let's care for it. Absolutely. Let's get it there. Let's get it to 5K. I'm also inviting you, George, because you are the one who has actually broken that bubble from me. So, yeah, I'm going to.

call you on it. Fantastic. So will you like to be on it? I'm sorry, I missed that part. Yeah, I was saying that when I make an audio event, so I would be calling you on it. So would you like to be? Of course.

I would be offended if you didn't call me to be on your podcast. Oh, shoot. Okay. Okay, that's it. You'll do it. Yes. You do it. Absolutely.

Well, hang on one second. I'm going to hang up with our friends right here, but I wanted to talk to you a little bit afterwards. So ladies and gentlemen, thank you for everything today. Thank you for hanging out, whether you're in Hawaii, whether you're in India or wherever you are in the world.

I hope you enjoyed the conversation as much as we did. It was really fun, and I hope everybody got to enjoy it. That's all we got for today. Go to the show notes. Check out Ziba. Look what she's doing online. She's doing some amazing things over there.

And you're going to see a lot more coming out of her. probably as soon as tomorrow. So ladies and gentlemen, thank you for everything. I hope we have a beautiful day, and that's all we got. Aloha.