TrueLife - Zoltan Istvan - What Time Is It On The Sun

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

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Darkness struck, a gut-punched theft, Sun ripped away, her health bereft. I roar at the void. This ain't just fate, a cosmic scam I spit my hate. The games rigged tight, shadows deal, blood on their hands, I'll never kneel. Yet in the rage, a crack ignites, occulted sparks cut through the nights. The scars my key, hermetic and stark. To see, to rise, I hunt in the dark, fumbling, fear. Fearist through ruins maze, lights my war cry, born from the blaze.

The poem is Angels with Rifles. The track, I Am Sorrow, I Am Lust by Codex Seraphini. Check out the entire song at the end of the cast. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the True Life podcast. I hope everybody is having a beautiful day. I got an incredible show for you right now. I think everyone here is going to enjoy. this show. It's going to be a fast one, but it's going to be in-depth. And so let me just jump right

into the deep in with both feet. Imagine a world where the boundaries of human experience and existence are stretched beyond what we once deemed immovable, a world where mortality itself becomes negotiable. Joining us today is Zoltan Istvan, a modern-day voyager whose life and work echo the cosmic curiosity of Arthur C. Clark, the systemic ingenuity of Buckminster Fuller, the metaphysical introspection of Schopenhauer, the fearless scope. of Frank Herbert's worlds and the reality-bending visions of Philip K. Dick. At 21, Zoltan set sail alone to explore the globe, carrying with him a library filled with the ideas of philosophers and futurists

who, like him, refused to settle for the known. He has since journeyed through war zones, pioneered extreme sports, and founded the transhumanist party, all in pursuit of a human potential that defies the limits of flesh, mortality, and time. In the transhumanist wager, Zoltan presents, a radical vision of a future where science and technology drive us toward immortality. His quest stands at the edge of the unknown, beckoning us to consider whether we are ready to confront not only the limits of the body, but also the limits of the psyche.

Young reminded us that the psyche holds not only light but shadow, that within us exist a collective unconscious that binds us to the most ancient fears, our deepest archetypes, and our uncharted potential. For Zoltan, does this transhumanist dream risk, as Young warned, cutting us off, from the shadowy depths that make us human, severing us from the ancient truths with lie within, or does this dream embody Fuller's vision of humanity as designer, consciously evolving to face, even integrate these shadows in a new epic of awareness. Zoltan, thank you so much for being here today.

I hope you having a beautiful day. How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks so much for having me. Fantastic. I know our time is limited. I'm going to jump right in here. Here's my, here's a kind of questions that I've narrowed down here.

If as Schopenhauer suggested, the world we examine, experience is but a representation shaped by our will. What happens to will itself in a future where technology may extend life indefinitely and reshape consciousness? Well, I think will is a very challenging question. The real question is, does will even exist? And of course, I'm just finishing my graduate degree at University of Oxford and philosophy department, and we can go have an entire podcast and maybe 24 hours just on that topic alone. But let's just say for argument's sake, that it does. exists that we are in control of our destiny, we are sailing our own ship.

I think, you know, no matter how dramatic technology becomes, there will probably still be something inside us that is ourselves, you know, the eye, the personality, the ego, that go down to whatever it is you want to call it, but something that represents your own vision. And I think that will ultimately spur decisions no matter how far technology goes. I, you know, because if something else is spurring all your decisions. It's not really you anymore. And that's not the path that either transhumanism wants to go down or myself. I want to retain me. In fact, I'd like me to last as long as possible through science and technology. We want, you know, transhumans don't want to die. But we also don't want to die in some kind of sense where we have no will left. So I think,

and I hope technology will never overcome that. If it does, I wouldn't, don't know if I'd really ever consider it me anymore. What about the question? Like, no one even really knows what happens when you die. Like maybe you're just transmutation. Maybe you're just like becoming a new form the same way a caterpillar becomes a butterfly. So like would technology just prolong that caterpillar stage? Well, it's hard to know.

And I think that's one of the big challenges. Imagine if transhumanists, you know, fought their whole lives and hundreds of thousands of years, whatever, to try to live indefinitely. And all of a sudden you miss out in the greatest thing that's ever been because it's the afterlife that you really wanted to get to. And wouldn't that be the great irony of the world? And so I think, you know, even in my novel The Transhumus Wager,

the main character, Jethro Nights, goes out and purposely kills himself, knowing that cryonics will one day bring him back. He wants to discover what death is just to make sure of this exact problem. Because, you know, life is wonderful, but it's also kind of hard. You know, I mean, here we are aging. We can die from cancer. sometimes we lose loved ones. I mean, it's not the easiest path.

And maybe there is an afterlife, whatever you believe in that, whether it's a Judeo-Christian one or some other type of spiritual one, and you bypass it by being a transhumanist and just trying to stay alive in this one. So that would be a huge error. But I think we'll probably have people that journey once we can bring back people to, you know, from death. Well, people that go there and discover that kind of like people went to the new lands with sailboats, came back and said, hey, let's go start a country there.

So I think the same thing will happen in transhumanism. Do you think, I know that there's a lot of speculation on, you know, as you grow older, you grow wiser. And I've spoken to some people in palliative care who have this sort of discovering, not that they're coming up with new ideas, but they're taking off all these ideas of who they used to be and finding a way to live a life that's where they forgive themselves or they realize like, man, I'm more than these labels put on me. Do you think that if we have the ability to live like 200 or 300 years or maybe indefinitely,

that we get away from these insights that you have towards the end of death? Yeah, I mean, I think a huge amount changes if you know you can live indefinitely. I think first off, you know, number one is that you would be a lot less afraid to do new things. You probably paraglide and jump out of airplanes and surf 500 four waves. I mean, if you knew that there was a technology or something like a way, I'd always bring you back, there's a couple of great science fiction movies out there on these ideas. Then you would live a much more adventurous life. But at the same time, you know, I think there's much more than just how you'd live

as the philosophical approach to it. I think if you philosophically knew that you weren't going to die for hundreds of years or maybe you're indefinitely, you might approach it differently. You might not have children. You know, you might not necessarily want to dedicate your life to a nine to five job in the beginning, you know, starting from age 22 and up, or 18 and up in some cases, you or whatever, you know, I mean, that might suck. So you might want to say, you know, I want to travel the world.

I want to go. And if there's space travel, I want to go out to space and all these things that might be here in the future. So I think, you know, it would fundamentally change our philosophical outlook on life, especially in terms of family. You know, I have two daughters. But the idea of being responsible for my two daughters for thousands and thousands of years, Well, of course, I want to do that.

That's a much bigger responsibility than just till they're 18 and a little bit after. I mean, there's just these ideas that would challenge it if you could live indefinitely. And I think it's a very interesting philosophical world to consider it on its own. A number of PhDs have been written on it recently because we're starting to get to that point when maybe in the next 15, 20, 30 years, this could be a real possibility. And it will change society. Yeah, sometimes I often wonder. Like, it seems to me there's this race between, like, biology and technology.

Like, on some level, it seems like maybe biology, like no tropics, or maybe like biology, if we figure it out, has the way in which we can live a better life longer. But sometimes technology might have that answer. Are these two competing forces? Are these forces working together? You know, so that's a fantastic question. It's really hard to know the answer to that. We used to think transhumanists that it was, you know, probably technology would be the way that we would live indefinitely through AI and things like that.

But the problem is now that AI and chat GPT is here, we're all a little bit scared. I'm just not ready to put my mind into a machine and say it's Zoltan. You know, I much rather have stem cells and genetic editing and something like that that kind of takes me back to when I was not 51, but maybe... 40 or something like that and retain exactly who I am. So the idea of uploading, which was a huge way of thinking about immortality for many futurists for a long time, has taken a step back now that we're actually into the AI age and we've seen how scary AI can be. I mean, the idea that you can just go on to chat CBT and say, you know, print me out

of, you know, 80,000 word PhD on transhumanism and it's excellent, perhaps better than I could write, this is scary stuff. And that's just this year. This thing is growing, like, you know, thousands of percent, you know, every year. So it could be dramatically smarter than this in just a few years. And whether I want to take my brain, which is complex, but maybe not nearly as complex as an AI brain is going to be, you know, emerge those. Who knows? I might just get left behind.

The AI may say, wow, your flesh, your biology is feeble. So right now, there seems to be a push from many people in the transmis community and life extension community. to say what we actually are after is immortality in our flesh. Now, it doesn't mean we're not going to look at technological ways of living indefinitely. I certainly like the idea of having my mind connected to AI and maybe increasing my IQ to a million points instead of the, you know, 100 or whatever it is. You know, so I think that, you know, I embrace that,

but it's also scary. And so I think there's been a pushback against technological, immortality, much more rather, let's just be biological human beings and see how far we can go. It's really well said. It makes me think about, you know, when I think about science, it kind of gives me me the sort of relationship between science and spirituality on some level, and those two things are coming together. Like what's your take on spirituality? Well, you know, spirituality is kind of what somebody makes of it. So, well, I'm a non-religious person. quite secular, I do think spirituality is often, in my opinion, the farthest reaches of what

technology is that we can comprehend. So, for example, in transhumanism, one of the great concepts is called the singularity. The singularity is when all machine intelligence AIs become so smart that our brains can no longer even understand how smart they are. And some people say that the singularity could be here in as quick as 10, 20 years. So spirituality, to me would then be the singularity because it's way beyond my comprehension. So I think spirituality is something that tends to be, at least to transhumist, on the very frontiers of where science and technology are, but we don't necessarily understand.

Now, I understand, like, you know, maybe my wife has a very different interpretation of it, for her spirituality might be something that in the here and now, how my biological body deals with, you know, my life, happiness, kindness towards others. But I tend to think of, you know, anything spirituality-oriented as something that I just don't understand, something a bit, you know, mystical and majestic. Mystical and majestic. Those are beautiful words. And they do describe the ineffable. And I can't help.

Sometimes what I think of the singularity, I think of like a hardcore psychedelic trip when you touch upon this idea that is ineffable. Like you can see it. You can almost smell it. And you can almost touch it. And maybe for a moment, you can touch it, but you can't bring it back with you. What's your take on, like, on our ability to, what is your take on awareness?

It seems that as we grow more wiser, or we have a relationship with technology, we become more aware of the world around us. Like, do you think that we're having an evolving awareness and transhumanism and biology are all part of that? Well, I definitely think we're having a wake up in awareness. The problem, though, with it is that a lot of the new, technological innovation has been happening with AI and the human awareness is being left out

of that picture. And that is what is, I think, scary to a lot of people. We may have, you know, transumists may have been pushing AI for the last 20, 30 years, but all of a sudden now that's here, we realize it's so much smarter than us, it's leaving us behind. When you have a machine that can, you know, okay, it's not necessarily thinking yet, but I mean, some of my, you know, some of the phone calls I'm getting are telling me in Silicon Valley, they're starting to play with AGI, which is artificial general intelligence, and the AI that's as smart as humans. And of course, if you look at just the timeline of AI,

it's just exploding upwards in a J-curve. And so it's really only five to 10 years out that it might be way smart of us. So when you talk about having five bodily senses like the human being does, or you're talking about having a hundred billion neurons like our brains have, AI is going to have dramatically more than that. It might have a million senses. It might have, you know, trillions and trillions upon trillions connections that it's able to compute in a single second, making our sense of awareness almost comparable to like an ant or maybe a golden retriever puppy. And this is one of the big dangers is that human awareness is changing because of technology.

But I don't think our brains have fundamentally changed in an evolutionary way very much in the last, you know, 100,000 or maybe, I guess 20,000 years. But the technology we've created, the intelligence that it is starting to understand is changing. And so our real goal to achieve new types of awareness is we have to somehow make that jump into that technological age where our brains can also be part of that, you know, insane processing power that the AI intelligence is very soon to discover. Now, again, as we mentioned earlier, that's scary and dangerous. But if we're talking about explorers of awareness, that's where I want to be. because I want to have more than five human senses. I want to have a million if that's what it's going to take

to really feel the universe, to understand the universe. Yeah. And it's interesting to think about like a computer or AI that it thinks so quickly. I think it probably is not the right word, but it's able to process so quickly. It does seem like a lifetime. Our thought process,

it probably seems like a lifetime to that particular AI. And if that's the case, maybe if we just become more aware of time, we can almost live forever in the 100 years we're given. Is that too far out there? No, no, no, I totally get it. There's some great movies about this as well, you know, in books. You know, time is really what you make in it.

And, you know, in eternity, for some people, can last one second and are very close to it. Yeah. So, and I think, of course, you know, most people, and, you know, at least most sciences would say, when you die, if there's no afterlife, then time ceases to exist in a conscious way. Maybe your biology becomes dust or whatever. So, you know, I mean, in that sense, eternity does happen. But I think the point of the story is that we could interpret time differently. And actually as a way to sometimes make myself maybe more spiritual, more happy,

I do try to think of time differently. The problem, though, is that I have kids. And kids is really put forth this idea that your time is coming to an end as I grow older and I get out of bed that's harder. I'm, you know, turning 50 and I can't run the same speed I used to. as well as my kids go from these little tiny things that were just you know 18 inches tall to all the sun now being you know almost six feet tall that's something that's changed or at least it's it's really hard to take a more spiritual approach to time when you're watching these things grow so quick but um i agree with you maybe interpretation of time it'd be really interesting to ask an artificial intelligence how do you feel about time i'm going to write that down that's a good point should have a whole meeting with chat gpte about this So, Tultan, you've done a lot of really amazing stuff in the short time that you've been here. But what are, in your opinion, some of the things you're most proud of?

Well, you know, I'm really proud of a lot of the journalism work I did. I began my career at National Geographic. And, you know, it was almost a dream come true that for five years I got to spend, you know, right after college, you know, I think 23, 24. I got to go to many different countries. I think I covered around 70 countries and work for National Geographic and just write articles. And, you know, I had an amazing amount of experiences from covering war zones between Indian, Pakistan, and Kashmir, to, you know, covering shamans in Paraguay, to doing a lot of environmental issues, like this gold digging, destroy the environment and animal stuff.

And so that was, you know, some of the most proud stuff that I guess, when I look back in my National Geographic articles, I feel a lot of pride. But I'm really happy that I have emerged as kind of a public voice. in the transhumus movement, I feel like now I'm really doing something in sense that I'm trying to teach people that we can use science to live longer, that death, for me at least, is a very sad thing. I'm not saying we all don't want to die, but what I'd like to convince people of is that we want to control the specter of death. We want to control it so that if we choose to die, it's on our terms, not through cancer, not through it's totally cold outside,

or not through, you know, we didn't have water enough or whatever disease. it is. I mean, there's a million ways people can die. But we all, I think it's the human right, and there's something we should strive for to control the specter of how we die, when we die, and if we die at all, given how much hardship and pain it often causes not only for ourselves, but for all those around us that love us. Man, that's deep. Like I, I can see, it seems like in the Western world, especially, we've taken the dignity out of dying. You know what I mean? Like, for me, I had my grandmother that hooked up to this machine and you go in visitor and there's words like pallative care and

Powell means to hide and like it just seems like we're on some level we're just running full speed away from the thing that might free us. Is that too crazy? No, no, no, no. I think palliative care is something else. I agree. I think, you know, if you know you're going to die, you probably maybe don't want to be hooked up to machines, you know, but I think if you're my age and you want to dedicate your energy and resources to trying to overcome death, so you never end up in palliative care, that's a very different thing. But I think, I think, you know, if it comes to somebody like my mom who's also very aged and probably will die in the next few years, just given her genes, you know, I don't know if I want to see her at the very end, you know, tied to all these machines and, you know, comatose with drugs and this and that, there may be better methods than that. And in fact, I've been a supporter of euthanasia as a result of that, that people can control that in their own terms.

That said, that doesn't mean that I'm advocating in any way for death. It just means advocating for a good death versus something where maybe it's so bizarre. It's just they try to keep you alive the extra few days. And that may be okay if you have a chance of recovering. But if you have no chance of recovering, I'm not sure keeping someone alive a few days. Then I think having a good death is a better plan. Yeah, that's well said. It's interesting when we start thinking about longevity and intelligence and drugs on some level.

There's a whole suite of drugs called no tropics. that I'm a big fan of. I have played around with some novel peptides and some some HGH and some things like that. And I've found them to be very incredible in a lot of ways. What's your take on nootropics? Well, yeah. So I deal with, you know, neutropics quite a bit because here I'm actually sitting in my winery in Napa Valley at the moment, but doing a lot of construction.

We're trying to be one of the very first people that create a transhuman wine, wine that is embedded with intropics. And basically, you, you, you, uh, you get a little bit smarter from drinking the red wine, and maybe white wine eventually too. We've had some limited success on these ideas. I have some friends with PhDs from Berkeley, and they had been getting me some stuff

that we've been trying to make these concoctions. You know, I think the more drugs you take, at least experiment with, the better. And I've been a big proponent of psychedelics, a big proponent of drug. I mean, that's what transhumanism is. It's not just technology. It's really anything from the natural world that can enhance your life.

We're really about enhancement. It doesn't matter what form it comes in. And we just want to make the human being live better, live longer, happier, and just be a stronger entity. And if that is drugs, you know, that's fantastic. And so I've been a big proponent of trying to do that. And here I am in Napa Valley at the moment trying to do that with my own wine. That sounds amazing to me. Like I don't want to let the genie out of the bottle or give away the secret sauce.

but does the alcohol pose a problem to break down those drugs or how does that work? So the problem we've had is that the taste is changing. So you take a pretty good tasting wine and make it a little bit funny. And so that's been the challenge. And the bigger challenge is that it takes sometimes months to discover this stuff because you kind of have to wait for the, you know, it to be bottled, this and that. And we're, you know, we're not, we're a very small operation. At this point, it's not even commercial.

It's really just trying to get it. Okay, we have a commercial operation in Argentina, but it doesn't make money. It's like, so it just, it takes a long time. And it's not just for us in tropics to make you smarter. We're actually trying to put different types of drugs in, you know, that might make you live better, make you live longer. Other people are doing this too. You know, they've had marijuana infused wine and this, various. infused types of things. So it's a huge new market. And I think you were having a lot of fun with it.

But imagine if you could have to, you know, get a little tipsy on wine and still be able to drive just as successfully or take a math test. And that's been one of our goals is to have those best of both worlds. You know, when I read back to some of the Elusinian mysteries, I don't remember reading about anybody talking about the taste. You know what I mean? Like here's this transformative place. It kind of sounds like that's on some level. Like you could be having like a new Elusinian mystery is like an initiation on some level. Like maybe that's the evolution of, of, you know, drinking wine or something like that. Is that too crazy? No, no, no. I mean, you know, this kind of goes back to some of the National Geographic stories I did where with shamans, where you go on a

journey and you have to go on a journey. You have to have a pilgrimage. And if the pilgrimage is where you reach your your adulthood life or something, it doesn't have to be adulthood. It just has to be a revelation of some sort where you evolve into a stronger being. And I think, you know, could, something like that could arrive. And I've been all about moments like that, revelations, epiphanies, journeys that change you. I think that's, you know, very important throughout one's life to search for those moments and take advantage of them when they come, because it's, you know, the older you get, I feel like there's less and less of these moments when you can really, maybe it's because our brain has become too fixed

and we're a little too hard-headed, but where you can still find ways to expand your consciousness, expand who you are, and go in a new direction. That might be the best one for you. So I think, you know, the wine aims to maybe bring some of that down.

And, you know, I know you've talked to people with psychedelics and stuff like that. You know, there's all sorts of transformations and journeys people can go on. And maybe we'll find the perfect substance one day that all of humanity will take as sort of a right, you know, a right through life. Yeah, man.

You know, it's interesting that you say that because we could look at a right of passage, not only with like an anewalus, with the nootropic wines, but also transhumanism. Maybe that's a right of passage. Maybe that's us moving through the birth canal into something bigger and better.

It absolutely is. You know, and I've said this to people forever. I think you have to take yourself back a second. Just leave whatever you think you know and say, wait a second. Okay, the earth is probably, you know, a billion and a half years old or something of that sort of a little bit, you know, at least asteroids came together and whatnot.

And the universe itself could be billions, maybe five billion, 15 billion, who knows? I mean, it's hard to know what people say. But the point of the story is that, however it is, we're just little dots on this, you know, graph of the time of how we even got here. And if we look forward, you know, we tend to look back a lot and say, okay, where do we come from, the apes and this and that, but what we should actually be looking is saying, where are we going? And people all say, oh, we're going to become artificial intelligence, but they forget that artificial intelligence is probably just a 10 or 15 year process. After that becomes something completely

different. And I've turned this in an article for the Guardian called the omnipotism, where we eventually become probably fragmented pieces of consciousness that just float around the universe. We are part of the universe that is conscious. Maybe the universe itself is a way of being conscious, and we just have never understood it, because as we talked about earlier, our brains only have 100 billion neurons, it's not enough to figure out what's really going on. But, you know, there are some big ideas, but what I definitely say is that transhumanism is just a small segment where we leave the biological flesh, or at least we leave this human biological flesh behind, to become something much grander. And I think that's the journey that I

really am excited about and want to be on, because I don't want to get left behind. I want to be here to say, wow, I can't believe that happened to us as a species. I love it. I love it, man. The half hour went by like it was two minutes old. And I'm so thankful to get to hang out with you. But before we land this plane, where can people find you? What do you have coming up and what are you excited about?

Sure. Well, what do I have coming up? I have a couple amazing speeches. Some I can't talk about yet because they're real fun and stuff. But I'll be back at Oxford very soon discussing stuff on the, you know, kind of Olympics that where people use enhanced drugs and things like that. And I will be, also, there's been a biography that came out on my work called Transhuman Citizen written by Dr. Ben Murnain. Thankfully, it's won a few awards. So we have a big speech next May in New York City

as we accept an award for Best Biography for that. And I worked with this author. The author himself has a kind of a genetic disease where he's terminal. He's kind of been dying his whole life and will probably die very early as a result. But he wrote a book on my life extension work. So we have this very interesting dynamic juxtaposition between Ben and I, and that comes out in the biography, Transhuman Citizen,

Zoltan Isfans Hunt for Immortality. So I'm dealing a lot with that book at the moment. And, you know, if you just want to go to my website, Zoltanishfund.com, that's where a lot of my stuff is where you can just Google. There have been a lot of fun interviews, you know, that I've done throughout the years. But I think the big question

everyone's been asking is, Do I have any political ambitions at the moment? And the idea, since I did run for president a few times, right now I don't have anything in the works, but it's always on my mind as I'm looking at the field and seeing what's happened. But, you know, I run as a science candidate. I run entirely on the scientific method and transhumanism

and getting people to live a lot better and longer. That's my main thing. I'm not into the other political side of things. It's really well said. And I thank you for being here today. I can't wait to learn more. Check out these books. and with everybody, anybody within the sound of our voice,

please go down to the show notes, check out what Zoltan has. Check out his website. Check out these new books. Reach out to him. He's got a million awesome things in the pipeline. So hang on briefly afterwards, Zoltan. But to everybody within the sound of my voice,

I hope you have a beautiful day. And that's all we got. Ladies and gentlemen, Aloha.