Trump's Trials - What happens when the federal government stops funding university research

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

The federal government has cancelled about 11 billion dollars worth of university research funding, and is threatening to cut more. When the federal government stops funding research, there's no one e...lse to take on those costs. NPR's Elissa Nadworny has the story.Support NPR and hear every episode of Trump's Terms sponsor-free with NPR+. Sign up at plus.npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:01:28 of has a cowboy-esque ring to it. To what exactly a sovereign wealth fund is. For Insight every weekday, listen to NPR's The Indicator from Planet Money. Hi, I'm Michelle Martin. The federal government has cancelled about $11 billion worth of university research funding and is threatening to cut more. NPR's Alyssa Nadwani reports that when the federal government stops funding research, there's really no one else to take on those costs.
Starting point is 00:01:56 In the first three months of Donald Trump's presidency, dozens of colleges and universities had their federal research grants frozen. Some funds were canceled because of the shuttering of federal departments like USAID and the US Department of Education. Others were halted in response to alleged anti-Semitism on campus. Cancer research, diabetes, research in new wearable technology, farming solutions, early childhood development, and domestic violence. Research across nearly every discipline and subject. The government-university industry partnership for R&D built the American economy in the 20th century. Shailen Jyotishi is the managing director of the Future of Work and Innovation Economy
Starting point is 00:02:40 Initiative at New America, a left-leaning think tank. After World War II, he says the federal government entrusted and deeply invested in universities to conduct research and development. Everything from the iPhone to GPS technology to fortified vitamin B has had its roots in federally funded research. In 2021, the federal government gave colleges and universities about 180180 billion across dozens of federal agencies, according to the Government Accountability Office, a government watchdog. American research universities have been the envy of the world for a reason.
Starting point is 00:03:15 China and other competitors of the United States are borrowing from the American playbook for innovation. Jotichi says that the biggest worry is that if the government gets out of this business, there won't be anyone to step in. Industry cannot and will not pick up the mantle of the public sector in supporting the R&D enterprise. Sabrina Howell, a finance professor at NYU's Business School, studies innovation and university research.
Starting point is 00:03:44 We would not have iPhones if universities like MIT that are federally government funded hadn't worked on lasers. That laser technology wasn't just used on the iPhone. It helped create semiconductors that essentially power everything we use all day long. No private company would take on on their own, both because it's really expensive. It's not obvious what the commercial application is for all the work that you're doing. And so only government can fund that kind of work. While the Trump administration talks about handing this work off to the private sector,
Starting point is 00:04:16 Howell says it's just too expensive to fund that without a clear return on investment. Her research shows that's because industry has a different motivation on investment. Her research shows that's because industry has a different motivation on outputs. But there are experts who think changes could be made to this partnership. It's time for someone to shake things up a bit. Richard Vetter is a senior fellow at the Independent Institute, a libertarian think tank. He's written about scaling back government funding for research overhead and administration. And while he says Trump's arbitrary cuts aren't what he had in mind, it's definitely sending an important message to colleges.
Starting point is 00:04:49 It's not perhaps the ideal way to change things. It may be a disruptive way to change things. But on the whole, the attempt to reevaluate research grant money is a valid one. He says maybe now that the public sees the high price tag of federally funded research, there will be a way to make changes or disruptions without abruptly halting essential and life-saving research. Alissa Nadwani, NPR News. Before we wrap up, a reminder, you can find more coverage of the Trump administration on the NPR Politics Podcast, where you can hear NPR's political reporters break down
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