TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Andrew Basiago: Did Barry Soetoro Teleport to Mars?

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

Before we start today, I want to read to you a portion of an article in Wired magazine from Jan 3, 2012: White House Denies CIA Teleported Obama to Mars - Forget Kenya. Never mind the secret madrassas. The sinister, shocking truth about Barack Obama's past lies not in east Africa, but in outer space. As a young man in the early 1980s, Obama was part of a secret CIA project to explore Mars. That's the assertion, at least, of a self-proclaimed time-traveling, universe-exploring government agent. Andrew D. Basiago insist that he once served as a "chrononaut" at Darpa's behest, traversing the boundaries of time and space. He swears that a youthful Barack Obama was also a chrononaut. According to Basiago, Obama isn't just lying about his identity. He's lying about his military service record, too. While his political opponents in 2008 attacked him for never serving, in truth, he was concealing his participation in a hidden CIA intergalactic program hosted at a California community college in 1980. Officially, the White House says Obama never went to Mars. "Only if you count watching Marvin the Martian," Tommy Vietor, the spokesman for the National Security Council. But that's exactly what a secret chrononaut wants you to believe. Just days after this article was published, Rick Wiles had the opportunity to have a one on one conversation with Mr. Basiago, where they seek to answer the question: did Barry Soetoro teleport to Mars?Rick Wiles, Doc Burkhart. Airdate 9/4/23You can partner with us by visiting TruNews.com/donate, calling 1-800-576-2116, or by mail at PO Box 690069 Vero Beach, FL 32969.It’s the Final Day! The day Jesus Christ bursts into our dimension of time, space, and matter. Now available in eBook and audio formats! Order Final Day from Amazon today! https://www.amazon.com/Final-Day-Characteristics-Second-Coming/dp/0578260816/Apple users, you can download the audio version on Apple Books!https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/final-day-10-characteristics-of-the-second-coming/id1687129858Purchase the 4-part DVD set or start streaming Sacrificing Liberty today. https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/watchThe Fauci Elf is a hilarious gift guaranteed to make your friends laugh! Order yours today! https://tru.news/faucielf

Well, this is True News, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help us God. I'm Doc Burkhart, sitting in for your host, Rick Wallace. Now before we start today, I want to read to you a portion of an article. This is from Wired Magazine, and this is from January 3rd, 2012. So, the title of the article is, White House Denies CIA Teleported Obama to Mars. That's the headline. It goes on to say, forget Kenya, never mind the secret

madresses. The sinister, shocking truth about Barack Obama's past lies not in East Africa, but in outer space. As a young man in the early 80s, Obama was part of a secret CIA project to explore Mars. Well, that's the assertion, at least, of a self-proclaimed time-traveling universe-exploring government agent. Andrew Basiago insists that he once served as a chrononaut at DARPA's behest, traversing the boundaries of time and space. And he swears that a youthful Barack Obama was also a chrononaut.

Now, according to Basiago, Obama isn't just lying about his identity and his birth certificate, he's lying about his military service record, too. And while his political opponents in 2008 attacked him for never serving, in truth, he was concealing his participation in a hidden CIA intergalactic program hosted at a California community college in the 80s. Now, officially, the White House says Obama never went to Mars, only if you count watching Marvin the Martian. Tommy Veeder, the spokesman for the National Security Council, said,

but that's exactly what a secret crononaut would want you to believe. All right, so just days after this article was published in Wired Magazine, Rick Wiles had the opportunity to have a one-on-one conversation with Mr. Basiago where they seek to answer the question, did Barry Sartoro teleport to Mars? Here's that interview from January 11, 2012. Good to be on your show, Rick. You know, just to clarify, I can provide a view of Barry Satoro when I knew him, which was from 1980 to 1983. work for the Defense Department because, in fact, one of the injustices that happened to the young people, not only who were brought into Project Pegasus in the early 70s, but then who served under DARPA, but who then served in the CIA's Mars Visitation Program

of the early 80s, is we were sort of employed by the government but never really hired. We were working for the Defense Department but never really sailors or soldiers or Marines or airmen. And so we never officially served as military personnel and hence were kept out of the, not just the military benefit system, but actually being salaried as military personnel. And that's one of the reasons I'm speaking out. That actually violated the 13th Amendment, which bans anybody from practicing involuntary servitude or slavery of others, whether it's the government or not.

And so it was in the context of a secret defense technical project that I knew Barry Satoro personally, as did one of the other that I think actually forms the basis for the birther controversy. In other words, I don't believe that what the White House has been concealing is the president's parentage or nationality. I believe that the entire controversy has resulted from their attempt to conceal that he was Barry Satoru. Because as we're going to find out today, Barry Satoru linked as a participant to the U.S. government's secret time-space program that I was part of both in childhood and then when I met Barry Satoru in the early 80s when we were utilizing one of the technologies to access Mars. Okay. Well, Andrew, I have, over the years, I've refused to refer to this man as Barack Obama.

I've always called him Barry Satoro because that is his name. And to this day, he goes by Barry to his friends. And over the years of broadcasting, we've had various people on the program who were recruited to be part of various government programs, whether it was mind control programs or vaccination programs or testing of biological chemical warfare agents or remote viewing, astral projection, all these various programs. So I'm not shocked that you're telling me that you were recruited. I believe this stuff goes on.

I'm fully aware that there is a black ops department of our government, a secret government that operates regardless of who's sitting in the White House. Let's start this conversation by telling us how you were recruited, and then we'll move on to Barry Satoro. How old were you? What were you doing? How were you approached? How did this entire process take place that you were brought into this Project Pegasus? Well, I was brought into Pegasus at a very young age.

My father, Raymond, was a special projects engineer for the Ralph M. Parsons Company, presently of Pasadena, California. And Parsons was the principal defense contractor that had been retained by the US government for a time-space exploration program that was organized in the middle and late 60s under DARPA the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and DARPA was putting everything in its intelligence funnel that would result in a time travel capability. And so into that intelligence gathering process was ancient source information from the Sumerian, Babylonian, Egyptian epochs.

They were placing foreign technology from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union. They were placing information that they had reverse-engineered regarding flight technology from downed UFOs, which obviously would have a time travel capability which had enabled extraterrestrials to reach us from distant space, and also the work of sort of primary progenitors in physics, individuals like Nikola Tesla and Enrico Fermi. And what they were doing was developing different ways of gathering intelligence using time travel. So they were developing devices to both send people to what we would describe as past or future events

and also to technically remote as past or future events, and also to technically remote view past and future events. So I was initially brought into Project Pegasus at age six, when my father took me up to the old Curtis Wright Aeronautical Company facility in Woodridge, New Jersey. I was growing up in Morris Plains, New Jersey. I'd been born in Morristown. And Curtis Wright, in those years, as you may know, was really a sprawling air technical facility. It's the location where many of our strategic bombers were designed and manufactured during World War II. And in a building there, Building 68, was a Tesla device that basically consisted of two elliptical-shaped booms sitting

on the floor. And when my father had the technician turn the device on, broadcast between the two booms was an array of what Tesla called radiant energy. So we saw something that looked like water falling in a public fountain. But when we walked up close to the radiant energy, it looked like raster on a TV set. And my dad explained that we were going to jump through that energy and enter a tunnel and then pop out somewhere else in the country. So we did a couple of rehearsals, and then he grabbed my hand, and we jumped in the country. So we did a couple of rehearsals and then he grabbed my hand and we jumped through the device and we experienced being in this radiant tunnel for several seconds and then we popped out in the location that for the next five years would be the area that they were teleporting us to during our project activities, which

was the State Capitol Grounds in Santa Fe, New Mexico. I once asked my dad, since we so often went up to the Los Alamos National Labs, why are we teleporting here? Why don't we just teleport to Los Alamos? And he said, because somebody at the labs may see something. So one of the ironies of the development of time travel in the U.S. defense technical community is it was hiding it from itself because they knew, for example, that the Los Alamos labs had been infiltrated by Soviet spies. And we know much more about that now, the Klaus Fuchs spy ring and so forth.

So that was my foray, that was my entry into Project Pegasus. We know that had to have happened between September of 1967 and 1968 because during that trip we drove up into a meeting with Dr. Harold M. Agnew, one of the Manhattan Project physicists, when he was the director of the W Division, which is the weapons division at the labs. And during that conversation he asked my father my age, and we both said six. So that allows us to historically date when Tesla-based teleportation, a form of teleportation that opens up vortical tunnels in the fabric of time-space,

was fully operational and allowed for physical teleportation of human beings, usually without injury. It was a new dangerous and experimental technology, but we can establish that that's when it emerged because my father asked Harold whether he had tried the technology yet, and Harold said, no, but I want to. And, you know, Harold became the director of the Los Alamos National Labs in 1970, and he served throughout the 70s in that position. So if somebody that connected, literally one of the Manhattan Project physicists

who went on to direct the labs, viewed it as something that he wanted to try, I think that we can infer from that that it had just emerged. Andrew, is there any evidence connecting you to Dr. Agnew? I'm talking about a skeptical investigator said, let's show me proof that as a 6-year-old you knew Dr. Agnew? I'm talking about a skeptical investigator said, let's show me how you, show me proof that as a six-year-old you knew Dr. Agnew. My case is one in which I was in a highly classified set of activities as a child, and I went back 40 years later to establish what happened. So in the book that I'm writing about my experiences, I'm going to describe how I contacted Dr. Agnew in 2008, excuse me, in 2000, which at that

point was over 30 years after I'd first met him. And when I asked him about the project, he said, you're mistaken. And I said, how do you mean? There wasn't, there wasn't a, I mean, the teleportation project wasn't at the labs. It was at one of the other labs in New Mexico. So keep looking. But I can't help you. Since then, he's denied the existence of the teleportation project. But during my search, during my search for my father's involvement and my own in New Mexico, I sought out people that I had met in New Mexico who linked to Agnew. So we're going to be able to establish social linkages between ordinary Americans that I remembered and who I sought out. For example, the woman who handled the summer sublet one summer when we were staying in New Mexico, and Dr. Agnew.

But I'm basing my claims on the technique of going back in time after many, many years and scouring the story for as many, hopefully, connecting facts as possible. Why did your dad introduce you? Why did he take you into this program? They needed children. We don't know exactly why he did. In fact, that might not even be the case. He certainly facilitated my participation,

but in all likelihood I was identified as somebody who had to be in the project because the project was in communication with project people from the future and I may very well have been identified because of my later prominence as the chief whistleblower regarding the technology and the principal activist petitioning the U.S. government to declassify teleportation. That's one possible explanation. Another is that I had been selected because of my innate characteristics, and my dad was simply facilitating my involvement. And then, of course, as you know from previous reports that you've provided, previous stories that you've done, that in that era, it was

commonplace for individuals in the military, the intelligence community, and the defense technical community to volunteer their children into these projects because they had two overarching concerns, basically what I described as the grays and the reds. They were concerned about the extraterrestrial presence that had accelerated after we began blowing up nuclear weapons in the 40s, and they also were enmeshed in a Cold War with the former Soviet Union where their principal concern, believe it or not, was that the Soviet Army would invade the continental United States. So in that context, most of them being U.S. military veterans from World War II,

they weren't just willing to involve, let's say, one of their children, as I was the youngest of five, in these types of projects. They were proud that we were involved. So I think you have to look at it from a statistical perspective, that they were the principal defense department scientists, and also, of course, there were intelligence community families involved in these projects, and they were proud that we had qualified and we were serving our country in that way.

Okay, so at age six, where does the story pick up? Well, then in the fall of 1969, I was officially enrolled in Project Pegasus. And I was exposed to eight forms of time travel, from conventional remote viewing using only the human mind, all the way to visiting the far future in devices that were called Stargates. In fact, the term Stargate emerged secretly in the project that I was in. And I've done many radio shows where I've described my different experiences in time traveling for the U.S. government utilizing those different technologies.

We were being used because we were necessary. In some cases, they were testing the impact of teleportation on children. The electro-optical devices called chronovisors that propagate holograms of non-local events required the participation of small human beings because of their technical characteristics. Obviously, also also they were training us for service as adults in a secret time-space program that I believe did emerge and exists to this day. In fact, I think the Gary McKinnon case links to that because he found what an off-planet Navy. You're talking about the young man, the young hacker in Great Britain. Yeah. I mean, we were told that we were going to be placed in the,

we were going to be sent to the Naval Academy, and that was going to be used as a pretext to involve us in future project activities. So I believe that the time-space capability is still under the Navy and may link to that secret naval fleet in space that McKinnon founded in Defense Department records. And just for the benefit of listeners who don't know the story about Mr. McKinnon, he's a young man in Great Britain who is accused of hacking into Pentagon computers from his home in Great Britain. This happened four, five, six years ago, he claims that he actually saw a top-secret list of U.S. military officers who are not human but are extraterrestrials.

Now, the Pentagon wants Mr. McKinnon's—they want his butt in Guantanamo, and they've been trying for years to get him extradited to the United States. And I don't think he's been shipped over here yet, has he? No, no, he hasn't. So the British government has not surrendered him yet, but he's facing life in a military prison if he is brought to the USA. Now, we have hackers getting in the military computers all the time, every day. This is an ongoing story.

But they haven't gone after anyone like they have this young hacker who claims he saw the list of military commanders who are actually aliens. Now, think whatever you want to think about it, but they sure are after him. They want to lock him up. So let's continue with your story, Andrew. Right. So in 1972, I had served in Project Pegasus for three years. It actually chronologically was four years

because there were a number of hidden summers embedded in my experiences because we were teleporting to New Mexico, involved in project activities, and then we were teleporting to New Mexico, involved in project activities, and then we were teleporting back to New Jersey, arriving on the afternoon of the mornings we had left. So I had essentially three extra summers sandwiched into those three years. So we moved to California in 1972. I'm out of the project.

I have a very conventional junior high and high school period in Southern California. My dad attempted to have me apply to the Naval Academy. In fact, I actually had my meeting with my congressman, who in our area was Barry Goldwater, Jr., scheduled, and I didn't go to that interview. And that was really where I broke away and began resisting the plan that the U.S. government had for my life. And nonetheless, even though I then went on to UC San Diego for a year as a freshman and then on to UCLA as a sophomore, in the summer of 1980, believing that I was never again going to have any contact with the Defense Department because it really was not that happy of an experience to have served in Project Pace as a kid.

It was at times awe-inspiring, but often terrifying what I was being asked to do. My dad approached me at our house in Southern California. He's still employed with Parsons. And he told me that we were going to go on a camping trip to Mount Shasta. And we hooked up the boat to the station wagon, And he told me that we were going to go on a camping trip to Mount Shasta. And we hooked up the boat to the station wagon and we drove up early one Saturday morning that summer, mid-August of 1980. I'm now 18 years old.

I've done a year of college at UC San Diego. And before getting to the campground at Lake Siskiyou, he went into a market in McLeod, California, called the McLeod Market. But before doing so, he said, son, stay in the car. I'll be out in about 15, 20 minutes. Whatever you do, don't leave the car. And he came out from the market in 20 minutes, but with about a five-day growth of beard. He had somehow been looped from some kind of establishment in the market. Of course, we know that there's an access point to the underground base below Mount Shasta that's accessed through this Shasta Dam.

So there must have been another connection of some kind from that commercial establishment. Now, simultaneously, the person who has corroborated my account about being involved in the Mars program beginning in the summer of 80 Brett Stillings, also of Southern California, son of an individual that was then working as an operations analyst for Lockheed Skunk Works in Burbank, had an identical experience. His father explained that they were going to go camping in the Shasta area.

He drives up to McLeod, says, son, stay in the car, and then comes out with a three-day growth of beard because before he went into the store, he actually shaved. So they were somehow time-looped, and we believe they were time-looped because they were in a seminar that was the pre-seminar for what we would then experience. Because after Brett and I were introduced up at the campground at Lake Siskiyou, on that Sunday night, my father said,

boys, you're going to be taking some classes tomorrow, you know, early Monday. And I said, Dad, what do you mean? I mean, I just did a year of college. I thought we were going to have some fun. I thought this was going to be a break. And he said, no, I'm sorry, Andy, you've got to take some classes up at the college. And I said, about what? And he said, the entire seminar is going to be about everything about Mars. And I said, Dad, I'm going to be a history major in the fall at UCLA. I've done my breadth requirement

in astronomy. Why would I, I'm not, I don't plan to become an astronaut. Why do I need to know everything about Mars? And he stated, and this is a direct quote, he said, because some of you kids in class are going to be going up there. And this is 10 o'clock Sunday night around the campfire. And Brent and I just looked at each other like, what did Andy's dad just say? He said, because some of you kids in the class are going to be going up there. So that Monday, we fixed breakfast,

we went up there, and Brett and I encountered eight other young people. We have the identity of three of them. Some of them were with a parent. I was accompanied by my father, who obviously had reporting requirements to this day, because he'd been working on classified aerospace projects going all the way back to the Ramjet project of October 1952 at Curtis Wright. Brett's father is at Lockheed Skunk Works. The three other young people that we positively identified of the other eight, one was somebody who attended for about a week. He explained who he was. He said his name was Willie McCool, but that all we had to know was that he was at the Naval Academy and that he was cool. And that was William Cameron McCool, who left the class.

We don't remember him ever being involved in any of our Mars visitation experiences. But William McCool, in 1996, joined the conventional space program. And, in fact, he was the pilot who sadly lost his life in the space program when the space shuttle Columbia was reentering Earth's atmosphere. So we know that one of the conventional astronauts was originally scheduled to be in our class, but he attended for about a week and then just split, and we never saw him again. Another one of the individuals was the sole female

in the group of 10, 18, 19-year-olds in the program, and that was Regina Elvira Dugan, who was then earning a Ph.D. at Caltech, again, the Pasadena connection. After having entered Caltech, I believe as a 16-year-old. Isn't she the director? Is she the current director of DARPA? That's correct.

She was the 19th director and first female director of DARPA that President Obama appointed on the 40th anniversary of the lunar landing on July 20th of 2009. And we got to know her by name. We got to know her personally. And she was appointed to director of DARPA by Barry Satoro. Yes, by the individual using the name Barack Obama. Yes.

That's Barry Sator name Barack Obama. Yes. That's very recent. Okay. And then the other individual was a young African-American college student my age. I mean, President Obama's, I think, 45 days older than me. So we're all sort of centered around the 1961 birth year. Regina was about a year and a half younger than me. She was born March of 63. Brett was the youngster.

He was only 13, having been born in December of 1966. So most of us are around the age of myself and the young Occidental college student from Hawaii using the name Barry Satoro. I know that it was Barack Obama and that he was using the name Barry Satoro because I asked him his name. So since there's been no official denial by the White House that he once used the surname of his Indonesian stepfather, what Brett and I can provide that's germane not just to the existence of the secret space program and its activities using jump rooms to reach off-planet locations, is a window into President Obama's life during those years, from summer of 1980 to the last time we encountered him in around 1983 in the program.

I didn't have extensive contact with him, but I did have several discussions in the classroom context. I remember walking in one time where I asked him his name. Another time we were walking out of the classroom to our cars and we were sort of comparing notes on how unusual what we were being trained for was. We also were essentially partying with these people. We had evening cake parties, first at the dorms of the College of the Siskiyous where the seminars were held, and then a number of us broke off, and for the last week and a half or so, we stayed at the Finlandia Motel in Mount Shasta. And we can corroborate that the person now serving as President of the United States was that individual,

and that he was using the name Barry Satoro. After we went forward with these facts in November of last year on Coast to Coast AM, clearly the White House was alarmed because last week they offered an official denial. They had Tommy Vitor, the spokesman for the National Security Council, place an article in Wired.com online under the headline, White House denies CIA teleported Obama to Mars. And then they published another one of those sarcastic hit pieces where everything's a joke. Any loyal and patriotic American who shares anything about a classified defense project is described as a lunatic and so forth. Interestingly, we know from our research now that Vitor was actually the point man that Obama was working with on the controversy over the Certificate of Live Birth.

So let me actually describe why we think the White House retaliated and became so concerned about the fact that we were describing the presence involved in our project. First of all, it was establishing that in his early 20s, he had been a participant in a secret space project, and that's highly sensitive. But we also think it goes to this issue of Barry Satoru and the whole controversy that's been captured under the birther controversy, but I think it's actually been a controversy about his identity. The person currently using the name Barack Obama could not have been Barry Satoro from birth

because he assumed that name after his mother married Lolo Satoro in Indonesia. So he possessed some other name at birth. When the White House proffered that birth certificate, which was an obvious photoshopped forgery, they were attempting to establish that he was Barack Obama Jr. from birth. But we know that during the years 1980 to 83, when we met him there after he had already done a year in college, he was using the name Barry Satoro. And we think that's the sensitive information that we were offering. Because our reading of the birther controversy is they were trying to disassociate him from the name Barry Satoro because he served in this project, my view of the birther controversy is that it's all about him adopting the sort of distinctively African-named Barack Obama with all of its musicality, if you will, in college at a time when he was being profiled on the black nationalist and socialist left as essentially an activist. I mean, he was a budding Malcolm X, a budding Kwame Ture.

And so the Barack Obama persona is actually his CIA legend. It masks the fact that he was involved in secret defense work in the early 80s while he was simultaneously being profiled as a black activist, as the very thing that Bill Clinton was in England. We know from Roger Morris' book, Partners in Power, that President Clinton was infiltrating and reporting to the government about the peace movement in England. Let me ask you this, Andrew.

Did the CIA create this phony identity of Obama that he was, in his young days, he was this radical Marxist revolutionary. Did they create that false identity so that in the future, if anybody attempted to find out who this guy is, and they brought forth this identity of him as a Marxist radical revolutionary, they would be discredited by the mainstream news media. Therefore, no one would go any farther. Nobody would look any deeper.

Is that the reason for it? No, that's a little bit too broad of a brush. It's actually more subtle than that. What we know is that everybody in that classroom had a linkage to the Defense Department of the CIA. I mean, Regina went on to found a consulting firm that garnered multi-million dollar contracts from the Defense Department. My father had reporting requirements to the CIA for Parsons and had worked on numerous classified aerospace projects from the Ramjet to teleportation. Brett's father consulted virtually every U.S. intelligence agency as an operations analyst for Waukee.

And we believe that Barry Sator's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, who also audited the class as one of the parents, was a CIA operative in Kenya and Indonesia. So what we know is that he was from a CIA family and that he had served in our project. And then on a political and social level, not off planet but on Earth, he was profiled on the left. So what the Barack Obama persona is, it's his CIA legend. It's the pan-African identity he was given to infiltrate black activist circles in the early 80s there. And that identity, that CIA legend, has evolved into his current political persona. He took it all the way to the White House. And so what they're trying to conceal

is that he's Barry Satoro, the guy whose mother married Sukarno's security chief in Indonesia, the 20-year-old who was involved in the jump room project for the CIA. And if that was not the case, why would the White House, why would they have the spokesman for the National Security Council deny what they could have easily dismissed as a conspiracy theory or an urban legend, which is the claim that Brett Stillins and I are making from firsthand experience, that he was in our project. You know, I've been frustrated all these years that nobody in the mainstream media

will even mention the name Barry Sotoro. I mean, it's everywhere. If you research this guy's history, he's Barry Satoro. He went to primary school, secondary school. He went to college as Barry Satoro. When he got into the White House, he made an unannounced phone call to a radio talk show in Washington, D.C. that was hosted by the former governor of Virginia, Governor Kaine. And when the governor answered the call, not knowing who it was, the caller said, this is Barry in Washington. It was Barack Obama, Barry Sotoro.

He still goes by this name, Barry. But nobody in officialdom will say, why does the president of the United States have two names? It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. Rick, what's amazing relative to this recent news story involving William Stillings and I and the fact that Barack Obama served in a secret space project in the early 80s is the fact that the Barry Satoro grammar school records have already been entered into a number of the birther lawsuits.

The fact that he was Barry Satoro as an elementary school student in Indonesia, that's all over the Internet because those are his Indonesian primary school records. That's right. And initially, I don't want to get sidetracked here on this because what you're saying is fascinating, but it's another issue that nobody has pursued. If we have the evidence that he was Barry Sotoro most of his life. Okay. So if the official story is he was born Barack Obama Jr., mama married Sotoro, took him to Indonesia,

raised him in Indonesia, brought him back to Hawaii. Okay, then tell me which court legally changed his name from Barack Obama Jr. to Barry Satoro, and then when he came back to the United States, which American court changed his name back from Barry Satoro to Barack Obama? Please somebody tell me where that was done and when. Well, there's no evidence of that, but his usage of the name Barry Satoro in his school records and his use at age 20 after he had already applied and been accepted to Occidental College in Eagle Rock, California and already done a year of college. Brett and I can corroborate, that's Brett Stillings, that he was still using Barry Satoro in 1980.

Now, in response to the point that you just made, if it was never changed officially by a duly constituted court, that is to say a judge or a magistrate with legal authority to do a name change, There's another reason why they're trying to conceal the Barry Satoru identity, and that is because when he was sworn in as president on January 20th of 2009, he stated that his name was Barack Obama. That was, and he took an oath of office, and that, my friends, is perjury. If he can't prove that he officially became, that he either always was Barack Obama or had an official name change that was duly entered by a legitimate court in the United States, I believe it would have to be. That's my interpretation. I'm not a

constitutional lawyer, but the point I'm making here is that he stated that he was Barack Hussein Obama when he took the oath of office. If the name change never occurred, that was perjury, which is a high crime, and he's subject to impeachment. Absolutely. You're making my point. This is the point I've been making over and over and over for years. One way or the other, he is a perjurer.

Either he signed legal documents for years as Barry Sotoro when his name was Barack Obama, or he's signing documents now as Barack Obama when his name is Barry Sotoro. Either way, he's a liar, a perjurer, a fake. He's not who he says he is. And one other thing I'm thinking about here, Andrew, is that you said you met Barry Sotoro summer of 1980. You knew him till 1983. Now, years ago, I interviewed John Drew, who attended Occidental College with Barry Sotoro. He knew him as Barry Sotoro. He said his name was Barry. He said every time he talked to him, Barry Sotoro wanted to talk about Marxism, the Communist Revolution, whatever. Now, the official story is that Barry Sotoro entered Occidental College in 1979.

Correct. And then somewhere later, he shows up at, what was the next one? Did he go to Harvard? When did he make the move? He went to Columbia. Columbia, Columbia, all right. Actually, let me mention something about this, Rick, because this is critical to showing that he was an intelligence operative. When I was trained to go to Mars under Major Ed Dames at the College of the Siskiyous in 1980, which William Stillings can completely corroborate.

We can prove both of our fathers' background in having reporting requirements to the CIA and so forth. The next summer, I was put under the tutelage of a CIA agent in Southern California named Courtney M. Hunt. And Courtney gave me additional training for our jump room experiences, including showing me how to use a respirator, which he showed me over at Cal State Northridge, and then he took me one summer afternoon to Lockheed Skunk Works, and I took part in a video training seminar to look out for predators on the surface of Mars. Okay, so Courtney was my second instructor after Ed Dames. Toward the end of that summer, after I'd already gone up to Mars several times,

Courtney Hunts told me, put in an intercampus transfer to Columbia. You'll be accepted. And I said, Courtney, I've just done a year at UC San Diego, and now a year that would be the 79-80 and then the 80-81 school year after the initial Mars training in Shasta at UCLA. I've done two colleges, and you now want me to transfer to an Ivy League school, and I'll get in? I said, that's ridiculous. But the reason I'm bringing that up is that's what the person known as Barack Obama did. He was in our training course in the summer of 80, and somehow, despite the fact that

he was a mediocre academic at that age, we know that, for example, he got a B minus as a poli-sci major when he did transfer to Columbia. He did what I was told to do, which was to transfer to Columbia. And actually, I don't think I've ever even stated that in any of my interviews. I just realized that recently, but that's what Courtney Hunt had instructed me to do in the middle, later half of the summer of 1981. Okay, now, go ahead. Well, now we see the person who was Barry Sator in our class doing that. And then during that critical period, when supposedly he was placed under the tutelage of Zbigniew Brzezinski at Columbia, he was enrolled in a, supposedly in a seminar about disarmament issues with Brzezinski with seven other students.

Sounds a lot like our 10 Mars students up at SISCU. He then starts using the name Barack Obama. It's right here in this time frame because if I recall, John Drew told me that he met Barry Sotoro at Occidental College in 1980. Then at some point he transfers to Columbia, but there's not one human being on the planet who remembers going to college at Columbia with Barack Obama, Barry Satoro, whatever his name was. There's nobody, no one knows. There is no person anywhere who has ever come forward and said, I went to college at Columbia with Barry Satoro, Barack Obama. Right. That goes to the point I just made.

That's what I'm saying. There's this black hole here. This guy just disappears. No, I know what happened. Actually, Wayne Allen Root, the Libertarian Party vice president in 2008, polled 75 political science majors from the class of 83, and none of them could even place him on campus. They couldn't identify him by face or name from those years. Then George Stephanopoulos of ABC News

polled 400 people from his class, and none of them could place him at Columbia during those years, because that's what I've just described. In other words, the CIA people we were interacting with on the Mars program, I believe at the time he was given the Barack Obama persona during those years, instructed us to apply to Columbia because we would be admitted. But what I think would have happened, and I think it happened with Obama, is he was credited with a degree he never earned because we were back in Southern California and had to be to have immediate access to the jump room facility, which was in El Segundo, California, immediately south of the Los Angeles International Airport. So what I'm saying is what I think Barack Obama did as somebody who attended Columbia University in name only is what I was being asked to do, and I balked. I said, I'm not going to apply to Columbia and apply to a third school. And so what I'm saying here is we were so engrossed in special project activities for the Department of Defense during those years that I

don't think he could have pursued his degree at Columbia. And on that side of the formulation, none of the individuals who was enrolled as an undergraduate in the class of 1983 at Columbia can identify him being there. So I think that what Courtney Hunt was urging me to do was put in an intercampus transfer that would have allowed me to essentially step out of my college but end up with a Columbia degree so that they could continue to use us in the project and not have our lives complicated by being enrolled as college students during those years. I wish I had known Courtney back then.

Could have had a degree. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't go into that at length. I put those two elements together. What I'm saying is— I was doing my own astro projections as a young man, but I wasn't in a CIA program. Yeah.

So I think that's what was being arranged. Hunt wanted me to apply to Columbia so that in the process of leaving UCLA so I could be more deeply involved in the project, we would still end up with an estimable undergraduate degree in exchange for essentially at that point leaving college. Right. We've got about roughly seven minutes here. Let's get in that time-traveling machine and get to Mars. Tell us, take the next seven minutes. We've got to talk about this part. So what they had trained us for was a device that, this was a time travel device that was essentially just emerging around the time that I left Project Pegasus in 72 as a 10-year-old. Essentially, the device resembles an elevator. In fact, it was the elevator in the building at 999 North Sepulveda Boulevard in El Segundo.

And essentially what happens is you stand in the elevator, lights begin blinking at the top and the bottom of the elevator that you're standing in, the elevator room. And about five minutes into the journey, it begins morphing or twisting from a box-like shape into a cylinder. And the ceiling migrates horizontally, and we had to kind of adjust our balance as the jump room was morphing into a cylinder. And the roof began, as now it's the end of the tunnel,

and it's kind of swirling into the cylinder. It had kind of a swirling effect. Now, when that was occurring, we had greater and greater physical pressure on our body and a greater and greater sense of mental deracination from whatever they were doing with the jump room. They were pushing it through something. In other words, it was a portal. And then about 10 minutes later, the jump room would start righting itself. And then about five minutes after that, it would open up, and it was arriving at different facilities on Mars.

Now, that's what we were trained for. That's what they said was happening in our training. I believed, and I have believed during all of the interviews I've already done, during my whole investigation into what Brett and I and the others experienced, was that it was arriving on Mars. There is, however, a dissenting witness who is going to soon be coming forward. I can't provide his name, but I've been negotiating with him to come forward and reveal what he knows. He's somebody who investigated the program in the 1982-83 timeframe,

and he concluded that we weren't arriving on Mars, but we were accessing essentially micro-niches in the time-space continuum that had been architected by the Greys to test human responses to where they were being brought to. So we have a new witness, but he's a dissenting witness who says it's entirely reasonable for Brett and Andy to believe that they were going to Mars because that's what they were trained to do. The project still believed it was accessing Mars when they were trained and even during their initial experiences. But I found in my investigation that something else was going on.

But he acknowledges not only that I and Regina Dugan and Barry Satora were in the project, but that it was a secret space project, but just a secret space project with a different destination. So because I'm committed to the truth, I'm an emerging figure in the truth movement, I'm going to not try to censor this witness. I'm simply going to continue to encourage him and arrange for him to come forward publicly because I know he was a participant. I met him when I was on the project. I know his identity. And he has a fascinating story to tell that essentially says, look, it was a secret space project, but it was visiting a different domain. Andrew, are you saying that you guys were actually physically transported to Mars, or

was this an astral projection? It was physical. In fact, I once brought the dust of Mars back to my family's residence in Chatsworth, California. I literally had the red dust of Mars on my boots, and my mother said, Andy, what's all that strange red dirt on your boots? And I said, well, I'd been down at a gas station in Chatsworth talking to some friends, and I was kicking at some rusted spark plugs that were in the dirt. And so, you know, we were actually basically trained to essentially dissemble to anybody who didn't have a need to know what we were involved in.

Is there a military base on Mars? When we were being sent up there, there were simply the jump room facilities. So there were four that Brett and I have identified. He went to three of them, but he didn't go to the one I initially went to when I first began taking the jump room. Who constructed these jump room facilities on the planet? That's one of the epistemological mysteries of our experiences, because clearly the jump room infrastructure on Mars was receiving the jump rooms through whatever quantum process they were reaching that location. But they would have had to have been in situ there to receive the jump rooms. So they were either constructed by the Martian humanoids in liaison with our Defense Department,

or they were, or we sent teams there through conventional craft that set them up so that our personnel could reach Mars in a more time-urgent way. But that actually is one of the questions that has not been answered, which is, how could the jumpers have been in place to receive you? Who went there first? Who built them? We don't know.

We were never told in our training. I think it was probably a joint venture between the Martian humanoid civilization and our own. And what type of civilization is there? There's a survival civilization from the catastrophe that occurred that impacted Mars and Earth around 9,500 B.C. They are the genetic relatives of us. They're the descendants, I believe, of the Earth colonists on Mars. Some people say that life on Earth was seeded by a superior Martian. And what do these creatures look like? Well, there's three typologies of humanoids.

The one that's most genetically like us essentially look like bald, homely people. They have a much more narrow gene pool, and they look kind of brutal in their appearance, but they're intelligent and basically human beings. I've often said that if one of the male Martians of that type was dressed in an Armani suit walking down Fifth Avenue in New York City, nobody would suspect that he's a Martian. So they look virtually identical to modern humans. There's a second group that I call the Martian Martians, because it was explained in our training that they were the indigenous Martians. And they're slighter than human beings and have longer heads, pointy ears, and longer fingers. And they're very kind of suspicious and sort of recondite in their

behavior. They're sort of wary of human beings. So they would sometimes be seen looking out from different locations at us, who's this, who's visiting my planet. And then there's an even more neotenic sort of typology that are almost identical to the greys from extraterrestrial literature. So when we talk about Martian humanoids, we're actually talking about probably three species. And did you interact with these beings? I interacted briefly with three from the first typology at Curtis Wright in 1970 with my dad. There were three at the Curtis Wright Air Force Base? Three at the Curtis Wright Field,

at the Curtis Wright Aerotechnical Company facility at 1 Passaic Avenue in Woodridge, New Jersey. And they were aviators because I actually witnessed them leave in a very high-performance, small, silver, conventional craft. So we know that by 1970, the first humanoid typology on Mars was in liaison with aerospace engineers like my father, who had been working on our high-performance craft since the end of World War II and the emergence of the post-Roswell extraterrestrial threat. I mean, my dad was ordered by the military to drop his job at Okanite in Paramus, New Jersey, and show up the next Monday at Curtis Wright to

work on the Ramjet engine so that we would have a jet aircraft that could chase flying saucers out of our atmosphere. Andrew, I've only got about three minutes here. There's a couple of things in my head. First of all, just a couple of days ago, an Iranian engineer claims that Iran has flying saucer technology that brought down the U.S. drone, which, by the way, the U.S. drone is based on Nazi World War II technology. But anyhow, this Iranian engineer made this reference to basically extraterrestrial type of technology that Iran is in possession of. The last question I wanted to ask you is, is there a connection in all this with Nazi-era research? Yes, in the sense that the intelligence funnel that was set up to gather everything that would give us a high-performance jet aircraft potential and a time-space travel potential included Nazi technology. I mean, they had brought, what, 10,000 Nazi scientists and engineers into the CIA under Operation Paperclip. And while I didn't encounter anybody with a German accent when I was a child in the project or during the Mars program, I remember my father speaking of a former Nazi that he had worked with at one of the engineering companies that he worked with in the 50s.

So there's a connection in the sense that the Nazis were developing what we call flying saucers, and that clearly that technology was something that was of great interest and of great value to the Defense Department when, in the mid-'60s, it decided to try to achieve a time-travel capability. But I should say that the principal debt of gratitude was owed not to the Nazi experiment with superluminal craft, but in fact the works of Nikola Tesla. That was something that was underscored by my father, by Jack Pruitt, and by Dr. Robert Beckwith when I was a child on the project. So this is Tesla-originated technology.

Yeah, the principal source in that intelligence funnel of the U.S. time-space capability were the works of Nikola Tesla that he left in his shop manuals, his lab books, upon his death in January of 1943. Andrew, I've got one minute. Can you sum up where is this going? What is the purpose of this technology? What does DARPA seek to accomplish? Well, what the American people need to know is that we achieved a time-space capability that was very elaborate and involved different forms of technology 40 years ago, let's say by 1970.

Again, my first teleportation to New Mexico was in 67, 68 time. That was then developed into an intelligence program, and so what we need to know is that the government is being manipulated indirectly and in a secret way as a result of the fact that the intelligence community has the ability to gather intelligence from the past and future on a non-local basis. So, for example, when major events like 9-11 happen, there has been prior knowledge in different factions of the intelligence community and military who keep this knowledge of future events secret. The significance of the more recent event involving our identification of Barry Satoru, that is to say Barack Obama, as one of these secret project participants, is that one of those children who was brought in to the project is now president. And so we're seeing essentially a

synthesis of the technology and some of the personnel, for that matter, Regina Dugan's involvement. You know, two of the principal individuals from my generation who reached executive leadership first in the United States were secret participants in the time-space program. And that's something that's fraught with profound political implications. All right, we're going to have to end it there. Fascinating interview, Andrew Pashago, the website projectmars.net, projectmars.net. Andrew, thank you. Appreciate you spending an hour with us today on True News. Thank you, Rick. Thank you for an hour with us today on True News. Thank you, Rick.

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