TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Darby’s Haunted Castle: Jeremy and Rick Wiles Discuss Rapture Origin

Episode Date: March 24, 2022

Today on TruNews, Jeremy Wiles joins Rick to talk about 'The Final Day.' They will discuss the origins of the false teaching known as the rapture and how it has infiltrated the West's churches and seminaries. Rick will unpack the history of John Nelson Darby and the haunted castle he lived in, “Doctor” Cyrus Scolfield, and how Zionism ties in with this false teaching.Rick Wiles, Jeremy Wiles. Airdate 3/24/22Order the second edition of Rick's book, Final Day - https://tru.news/3CY6SGm

The following program is made possible by the faithful prayers and financial support of listeners just like you. To find out how you can help, visit nothing but the truth, so help us God. I'm Jeremy Walsh. Doc Burkhart is away for several days visiting his family. I'll be your host today and tomorrow. Big Jim John Shaw will be my dad's guest on Monday. I'm currently reading the second edition of Final Day. I'm in the eighth chapter. His second coming shall be glorious. Even though Final Day's author

is my father, I can honestly say that it is the best book I've read about the second coming of Jesus. The three things that I like most about Final Day is it's simple. The logic my dad used to explain theological matters and how he made the Bible scriptures about the end of the age easy to understand. So after reading each chapter, I always wondered why somebody else did not write this book decades ago. So you can have a copy of Final Day, the book, too, by clicking the banner at the top of True News. It's $19.95 plus shipping. My dad will personally sign your book with his blue pin. And we're asking for a donation of $100 for an autographed copy of Final Day. So I have questions about things I read in Final Day. So I suggested to dad last

weekend that I interview him and ask my questions so you can hear the answers too. We've not rehearsed today's interview. Dad will hear the questions the same time you hear them. And now here is the author of Final Day, my dad, Rick Wallace. Hey, son. The tables have turned. Hey, I like you sitting over there. You should come up here and do this more often. Oh, my. Your mom and I could take a trip and go away.

Yeah, well, when I said, hey, let me host it, I was actually joking. Were you really? Yeah, that was a joke. The joke's on you. Yeah. You were here for two days. And then I walked in and he said, no, you're really hosting it. So I'm absolutely not prepared at all for this interview except I have some questions. Good. All right. And we're glad

Doc's away for a couple days. Doc's the kind of person you've got to push him out the door, make him take a break. But he had some family that he wanted to go visit. And so we're glad to dox away today, tomorrow, and then Monday. He won't be back till Tuesday. Jim Shaw, as you said, Jim Shaw will be here. And Jim is always a fascinating person to interview. So Monday program is going to be really good, too.

All right. So you're in the eighth chapter. I'm in the eighth chapter. The second edition. Let me tell you, the second edition is way better than the first. The first edition was great, but this is simple. Look, this is a thick book, but it's an easy read. It's easy. It's not intimidating. No. It's 430, I don't know, 425 pages, but it's really not intimidating. It's a casual read. Yeah.

It's light. It's simple. There's just so much about this book that makes it better than the first edition. And I tell you what, if there's ever a time to sharpen up on your final day knowledge, considering the world events of right now, this is it. I believe it.

Stuff's happening pretty fast right now. And there's a resurgence of the doctrine that this book refused. And so the rapture guys have come out of their hiding and they're very excited right now that the secret rapture is coming soon. Any day. Any day. And they're painting that picture again.

So you got a lot of people being confused again about the second coming of Jesus Christ. And that's what I tried to do in this book is to show how easy it is to understand the second coming. And this book is, you know, I've not written about the Antichrist, tribulation, all those topics, one world government, one world religion. I have not, that's not in this book. What's in this book is 10 characteristics of what happens on the very last day mankind is on this earth. Nobody's done this before. And it was pretty easy, Jeremy, because I think you and I think alike in a lot of ways. I have a very logical way of thinking.

And so, you know, I can organize things. So what I did is I took, I can't say every scripture. I took most of the scriptures in the Old Testament and the New Testament about the second coming. All right? Kind of like lay them out on the table. Okay? So it's like putting together a puzzle. You start getting all the pieces that look similar.

Okay? So I would take a scripture and go, okay, what's the main theme of this scripture? Oh, it's about noise. Okay? So I'll have a noise pile over here. And then, oh, this scripture is about glory. Okay, I'll start a glory pile. And so I ended up with 10 piles, 10 categories.

Yeah, 10 characteristics. And so as I would go through the scriptures about the second coming, boom, I'm just laying in their category. And before you know it, you've got stacks of scriptures that fit. I can't believe no one's ever done this before. Because it's simple. It is. This is, to me, this is along the lines, I think it's going to be bigger than Late Great

Planet Earth by, who wrote that? Was it Hal Lindsey? Hal Lindsey was the co-author. Jeremy, that book, Hal Lindsey, and Hal's still around. He said he's 90s. And that thing came out in 1970? And I got saved in 78. That book had already been out about eight years when I got saved.

But everybody was reading it then. Over these decades, Late Great Planet Earth has been, well, they sold over 40 million copies. That's the last number I heard. But then after that, in the 90s, you had Left Behind, which was a novel. It was fiction. It was a novel based It was fiction. It was a novel based on, you know, Darbyism and the Left Behind series. I can't see just one book,

but the series of books sold 90 million copies. So nobody has done anything at that level since the mid-'90s with Left Behind. And this book is not rapturism. It's not dispensationalism. It's traditional Christianity, which has been lost. It's been forgotten. and when you read when you read christian books written before scofield they don't talk about any of the stuff that's in left behind and lakeway planet earth they never even heard of it doesn't

exist it's it's all about the glorious second coming of jesus christ so i want to get into some of that because after reading the book, I've got some new revelations because you're in a position, you're probably in a double bind here because this is awesome, right? I've learned a bunch of new stuff, but you raised me on a different set of beliefs because of what you knew as an early Christian growing up in a charismatic church in Hagerstown, Maryland. Right. Right. So the rapture was part of our diet as, you know, as a kid. But there's nowhere in scripture that it mentions a rapture. Nowhere. Doesn't exist. The word doesn't exist. It absolutely does not exist in the Bible.

I mean, even if you had the original Greek manuscript, the word rapture is not there. Rapture is derived from a latin word rapier which is actually a latin basically a legal word to describe a violent crime of kidnapping abduction or rape that's rapier and so darby and Scofield and that gang removed from the Greek manuscript the word harpazo. Harpazo is a Greek word that means to snatch. Harpazo is used throughout the New Testament where somebody was removed, suddenly taken.

You know, Philip was translated. It was harpazo. He's taken quickly. So harpazo is not an event. It's an action. If I say, I'm going to snatch your coffee cup, I'm just going to grab it and take it. That's an action. It's a verb what what the rapturist did

is it's a sleight of hand it's a magic trick so they took they took harpazo which is the correct word in the greek manuscript they removed it then they went over here to the Latin Vulgate, and they took rapier, which is a Latin word that means abduction, kidnapping, rape, and they put it into the Greek manuscript, and they said, see, there's rapture. But it's not there. Then on top of that, Jeremy, they turned both harpazo and rapier are verbs.

They're action words. Rapier is a verb. It's an action word to abduct, to rape, to kidnap. Okay. Harpazo in the Greek means to snatch. Okay. Harpazo in the Greek means to snatch. Okay. So they turned rapier from a verb to a noun. And they made it, they took it from being an action,

and they made it an event. The rapture. Wow. Like, in the Bible, you're going to find the crucifixion, the resurrection, the exodus, the flood. Well, they want you to believe that it says the rapture. Christ and the Greek word for second coming of Christ is parousia. And parousia means the arrival of a very important person. In those old days a king or queen, a nobleman would journey to, from his castle, his palace would go to a place in his kingdom.

When the town heard that the king was coming, they would send a delegation out beyond the town limits to officially greet the king. That was called the parousia. His arrival, the parousia, the power, the majesty, the wealth, the pomp and circumstance, all of it of the king, okay? He traveled with him. I mean, that all traveled with him. Wherever the king went,

his power was right there with him. His entourage. Okay traveled with him. Wherever the king went, his power was right there with him. He's got his entourage. He's got his crown. He's got his robe. He's in a carriage. He's got buglers and trumpeters and swordsmen. He's got the whole thing going on. It's the glorious arrival of the king. Okay. And then this delegation goes out to meet him, to bow down before him, welcome him. And then they escort him to the town. That's called the parousia. Darby and Schofield did is they took the harpazo, the snatching, which happens at the same time as the parousia, the arrival of the king. When the king arrives, he snatches his people away from the earth. They are taken, the saints are taken into the sky, into the clouds to meet the arriving king.

Okay. To greet him, to welcome him to earth. Yeah. Okay. All the similarities. Yes. Yeah. So what Darby and Schofield did is they took their knife, and what I described in the book,

it's kind of like a magic show, you know, where the magician puts the woman in the box, and then he cuts the box, and he splits the box open. Her head's over here, and her feet's over here. Okay, that's what they did to the second coming. They cut the second coming, and they said, the harpazo, the snatching, is over here, and the parousia, the arrival, is over here.

And between these two are seven years. That's it, yeah. Who gave them the authority to do that? Right. Where did they get the license, the authorization to change what the Bible says. So I want to get into who was John Nelson Darby, who was Schofield. But, you know, you've got people out there, because I've heard this myself talking to Christian friends and others, where you put this stuff on a timeline and you show them that it's not as complex as the church has made it to be, the Western church, the American church, right?

But then after you talk through some of these things, they kind of just say, well, you know, it doesn't really matter anyways, as long as Jesus is coming back and, you know, pre-trib, post-trib, mid-trib, you know, whatever. Eh, it doesn't matter. Why does it matter? Why does it matter? First of all, I think knowing how the Lord returns, I think it is important. Knowing that He is going to suddenly pull us up to meet him in the air.

Because with Darby and Schofield and Moody and all the people after that who have taught, they have all this other stuff. I call it the fully loaded enchilada. It's the raptureure Buffet Bar. The Rapture Buffet Bar. Come and pick your toppings and take what you want. And you want a little bit of snatch you out of here. They get this whole, all these toppings.

And actually, they say you got to eat the whole enchilada. OK, you got it. In their view it comes fully loaded okay yeah and you can't pick and choose their idea is you have to take all of these things and all those things include a third temple has to be built in Israel okay which means we're going back to the old law are you going back to the old law so forget about what Jesus did on the cross we're going back to the old law. We're going back to the old law. So forget about what Jesus did on the cross. We're going to build a new temple and start sacrificing stuff again.

Right. We went through all this for 2,000 years. We're going to get through Antichrist and all these things just to go back to the temple. What? So Jesus, his blood loses its power? Yeah. so jesus his blood loses its power yeah he's like hey i'm sorry man i don't have any more power with me so you're going to have to go back and sacrifice animals and tribe like where do they come up with this stuff well they have to come up with this from what i understand of what you've written here they're coming up with this to make it fit their new theology. Yeah, they are. Otherwise, they need an excuse.

The whole thing, the whole rapture doctrine was constructed to justify Zionism. That really is what it's all about. Okay, so how are those two things tied together? How is it? Because Darby separated the church from Israel. Up until the days of Darby in the 1800s, Christians always knew that the church and Israel were one. Nobody was saying they're separate. Darby introduced this idea. So from the early church until the 1800s, the Christian believers recognized church in Israel

as one group of citizens. Yes, yes. And so now they have this concept. They use, oh, you're teaching replacement theology. So they came up with this name, replacement theology. No, they are the ones who replaced the church with Israel. Yes. They replaced, they took the church and they replaced it with the state of Israel. They took the cross and they replaced it with the Star of David. And you can go down the list of all the things of how they replaced true

Christian theology. But the truth is God did not replace Israel with the church. Israel and the church are Israel with the church. Israel and the church are one and the same. They always have been one and the same going all the way back thousands of years, even before Christ on earth. Israel has always been the people who put their faith in God, who put their faith in God and obey him. That's the church. So Abraham is a father. With Abraham, it was

accredited to him as righteousness. His faith. That's right. It was his faith that gave him salvation. That's right. Not his Jewish ethnicity. He wasn't even a Jew. He wasn't Jewish. And neither was his son or his grandson. They didn't exist at that time. He was justified by his faith. And so we are heirs to the promise of Abraham. We as Christians, we are the descendants,

rightful descendants of Abraham. If you reject Jesus Christ, I don't care how Jewish you are. If you reject Jesus Christ, you are no longer the son of Abraham. It's all by faith in Jesus Christ. So they've separated this. But the truth is God didn't replace the church. He didn't replace Israel with the church. They were always one in the same but what he did replace was the citizens of Israel he removed the disbelieving Jews who rejected Jesus Christ and he brought in he grafted in to Israel the believing Gentiles the believing Gentiles. The believing Gentiles joined with the believing Jews because the early church was 100% Jewish in Jerusalem. It was 100% Jewish. It couldn't grow until the Gentiles were brought in. So the Jews that believed Jesus, who followed him those three and a half years,

who after the crucifixion said he is our Messiah, he is the Jewish Savior. They were the believing Jews. And at that point, they were the citizens of Israel. Caiaphas, the Sanhedrin, all of the people who who shouted crucify him, crucify him. They lost their citizenship. They were removed from Israel and the believing Gentiles were brought in and made citizens. That's Israel today. And and so that that used to be common knowledge, Jeremy. It's been lost because, you know, the rise of Christian Zionism in America has confused a lot of people. But you travel around the world.

You know that when you talk to Christians in other countries, they've never heard this stuff. Christians outside of the United States, they don't understand rapture theology. They don't understand the millennial reign and all this stuff that is famous in the United States. Because they've never heard of it. They've never heard of it. Yeah. Because it was John Nelson Darby

who propagated this propaganda. Yeah. So tell me, who is John Nelson Darby who propagated this propaganda. So tell me who is John Nelson Darby, what century did he live in, tell me a little bit about him. Okay so you know in the first edition of Final Day I had a chapter. Yeah, basically, right. And I did it for two reasons. Number one, I felt like it was really a separate book. It's actually its own topic. And it was kind of taking away from the ten characteristics of the Lord's second coming. In the first edition, you opened up with this first chapter on Darby.

And the reason I put that in there is that chapter one was the hardest chapter of this entire book to write. Chapter one. Second edition or first edition? Both. Really? Okay. After I decided to take the Darby chapter out, then it was easy.

It became easier. But the first characteristic is his second coming shall be singular. One. How do you explain to somebody that Jesus Christ only comes back one time if their mind is full of propaganda that he comes back twice. And so I kept writing it and rewriting it and rewriting it.

And I've got so many versions of chapter one. And I went through all these, you know, sometimes I vented my anger and sometimes I was sarcastic. And sometimes I tried every angle. It was just difficult because you're dealing with this. Look, it is a satanic stronghold in the minds of people. I'm absolutely convinced that rapturism is a satanic stronghold that's gotten into people's minds.

And so I decided, OK, I'm just going to take the chapter out in the second edition. I'll briefly mention Schofield and Darby, just say, hey, these are the guys that created this stuff and move on and just talk about why it's a single event but who was Darby Darby was a a disgruntled Irish Anglican priest and so in the 1830s he he was a basically on the outside of the Anglican Church the Irish Anglican Church, and he started holding Bible studies in Ireland without any oversight from the Anglican Church, which made him a rebel. Kind of a renegade. Yeah, he's a renegade. Okay, he's an ordained priest, but he's doing something that his bishop doesn't know about.

So he's already committing some violations. So at the same time, about the same time, maybe two years later, something like that, another person in Great Britain started a similar, another disgruntled Anglican priest started a meeting, a Bible study in Plymouth in Great Britain. And so somehow they got together and then Darby moved to Great Britain, basically took over that group. You got the Plymouth Brethren. That's where the Plymouth Brethren

comes from. Plymouth Brethren okay that's where the Plymouth Brethren comes from okay okay Plymouth Brethren is really uh the offshoot of of Derby's meetings but the interesting thing about Derby is that in Ireland and you were in Ireland a couple years ago you were really close to it I know you didn't get a chance to go over, but in a little town called Lep, which is spelled L-E-A-P, like leap, but they pronounce it Lep. The Darby family castle is there. And to this day, it is known as the most haunted castle in Ireland. This is what's crazy. When you start to research where this rapture theology came from, if you don't have common sense, I don't understand how you can't see this. It's like so blatantly obvious. This guy, John Nelson Darby, was pretty much into witchcraft.

We know that his family were necromancers, meaning they talked to dead people. Yeah. They talked to spooks. I have in my office, I have, it's not a first edition. I can't say, hey, I mean, it was reprinted long after Darby died. But I have a copy of a book written by Darby's sister about the spooks that were in the family castle. She describes them. I mean, they're hideous. There was a woman in a red dress that would walk the hallways. There was this thing.

They literally called it the thing. The thing. They literally called it the thing. The thing. It had an odor, a foul stench. When it would come into the room, the room would fill up with this death-like odor. This is a Darby family. So it makes you wonder, where did he get this new idea of this rapture teaching?

I think he got it from a spook. I can't prove it, but I think he got it. But connect the dots. Yeah. The Darby castle had a dungeon where I forget how many skeletons were found. I think it was 19. Human skeletons. Human skeletons impaled on a spike. Yeah.

And this dungeon was behind a secret wall. And somebody in that castle, I'm not going to say the Darby family did it because maybe it was there before Darby's, but they would open up the secret wall and toss the victim alive down the chute and they would be impaled on a spike and so somewhere i think in the late 1800s early 1900s they found this dungeon with all these people um that were that had been had had been murdered there. There was a Catholic priest murdered in the castle conducting the mass, the Catholic mass.

He was murdered by his brother. I think they call it the Bloody Chapel. It's the Darby Castle. The whole castle is just wicked. I think Darby talked to spooks. But if he didn't get it from a spook, I'm

certain he got it from a Freemason because he was surrounded by Freemasons. Can't prove that Darby himself was a Freemason, but I certainly can prove that a lot of close people to him were Freemasons. And you just like, okay, this all goes together. This bizarre doctrine came together and got into the church. And it is now the dominant theology in American evangelical churches. So, Darby's doctrine of the rapture

which came out of the eighteen hundreds, it needed a way to go viral. So, who spread the news? How did it get from Darby to the American church in the West? So Darby didn't have much success. He was pretty much a I want to say a failure, but his

influence in Great Britain was very limited. His biggest critic, and think about this folks, his biggest critic was Charles H. Spurgeon. Spurgeon did not like Darby. Spurgeon preached from his pulpit against Darby. Spurgeon wrote newsletters in the sword and trowel.

He wrote newsletters against Darby. He called him the Protestant Pope. He said, it's Darby's way or the highway. Whatever Darby says, you have to believe it. He said that the Darbyites were the meanest people he'd ever met. This is Spurgeon. Wow. So today you have rapturous Christian Zionists who believe in the secret preacher of rapture. And yet they loved Spurgeon. But Spurgeon preached against Darbyism and told his church, do not believe John Nelson Darby. Don't read his stuff.

Don't go to his meetings. So Darby didn't have much success. And what he was good at, Jeremy, is he was good at finding obscure, weird, bizarre doctrines. All these little doctrines, if you dig far enough and deep enough, yeah, you could find somebody 100 years earlier that said something like a rapture. Not a lot. Some obscure pastor or writer. Pieces here and there. Yeah.

So he's kind of like he had a flower basket, you know, more like a thorn, a thorn basket. And he was going around picking these thorns and putting them in his basket. You know, he'd get these doctrines. What he was brilliant at was that he took these oddball doctrines and he wove them together into a systematic theology that he could teach, which is now the curriculum of a lot of Bible colleges. That was his brilliance.

But where did that get published? How did it get published? Okay, so Darby died, and then along comes Cyrus Schofield. Schofield. This is about 100 years later? No, no, no, no. Just a few decades. Okay.

All right. Darby came to the United States a number of times. I forget the exact, I would say somewhere between seven and 12 times by ship. And he was coming to the United States trying to find somebody to buy into his stuff. He met Dwight L Moody okay Moody visited Darby in Great Britain because Moody was conducting soul winning meetings you know in Great Britain and so there was this connection but really Darby went nowhere. He also got a preacher in St. Louis that kind of bought into it, but it still was just no success. But then after he died,

along comes Cyrus Schofield. Schofield was just a scoundrel. He he was a hustler a swindler a con man he went to jail he had sheriffs looking for him he was a fast-talking con man now a con man jeremy it con means confidence that's where that comes from. All right. They get your confidence. Con men are likable. Yeah, that's what makes them so good. Yeah, they a lot of people. He was assistant U.S. attorney for, I want to say Missouri. I think it was Missouri. He had to resign because of his corruption. There was allegations of bribe taking. He never went to law school. He never went to college. He never went to law. Well, he did do some college, but he never went to law school.

But he became the U.S. senator at that time in Missouri, got him appointed as the deputy U.S. attorney. Okay, amazing. But then he had to resign. And you said he had a phony doctor of divinity degree. Well, he didn't have a phony one. He didn't have any. Yeah. So he simply called him. He claimed he did. So what happened was that after Schofield got out of jail, he served time for bamboozling money out of a woman.

He went to jail. When he got out of jail, he reinvented himself. He rebranded himself and made himself a prophecy teacher. He went from criminal to prophecy teacher in a matter of months. Okay. So he found a new shtick. And somewhere along the line, he came upon Darby's writings. Now, there was a long progression there because

he got hired. He got hired by Dwight Moody in Chicago. But Dwight Moody was a good guy. Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much, right? But he got bamboozled by Darby for some reason. For some reason, Moody bought into this rapture stuff. Okay?

So Moody hired Cyrus Schofield as a Bible correspondence course writer. So back then, no internet in the 1800s. But they had online educational courses without the internet. They were called correspondence courses. They mailed them. So it came in the mail. It came in the mail. You took your course, mailed your test results back,

I mean your test answers, and you passed your courses that way. So Schofield was writing these courses on behalf of Moody. Yes. So Schofield was indoctrinating Moody with this stuff. Moody's making money selling this stuff, all right, these Bible courses. Then Schofield, who was always broke, he never really had any money, I mean,

when he wasn't cheating somebody, he came up with this idea of putting Darby's theology in the Bible. Okay. He hadn't written a single thing. I mean, he didn't have a mock-up. He didn't have a manuscript of what was going to go in the Bible. But he had the idea. Somehow, he was given a free membership in the Lotus Club of New York, which was really highbrow stuff. Mark Twain was a member. Chrysler,

who owned Chrysler Automobiles, he was a member. I mean, this was like really highbrow club. Schofield got a paid membership. His membership every year was paid. Into his club, yeah. The man who paid it was a Jewish lawyer on Wall Street who was either vice president or president of the American Zionist League or the American Zionist Association. I forget the exact name. But he was a prominent advocate for a future state of Israel. He's also the same lawyer who wrote

the Senate bill that became the Federal Reserve Act. Are you serious? The same lawyer. So he gets us. Okay, so just to make sure that sticks, the guy who paid for Schofield's membership. Yes, in the Lotus Club. In the Lotus Club was the guy who started the Federal Reserve. He wrote the law that got passed by the U.S. Congress.

He wrote the law. Okay. And he was also promoting a Zionist state. So now he arranges for Schofield to go to Great Britain and have a meeting with the publishers at Oxford University. How does that happen? Schofield travels across the sea.

Mind you, he hasn't written anything yet for the Schofield reference Bible. He comes back. He comes back with a contract and an advance. For a book. Yes. So then he wasn't that good. But somehow he had enough money to hire staff. And he hired an editor.

His editor was Arlo, gosh, Gabriel, who spoke Yiddish so well that New York Jews thought that he was Jewish. They couldn't believe he wasn't Jewish. He's the guy that actually was the editor for the book. Do you see how much Jewish influence? So this is the Schofield Bible that comes out of this. And it's there that they put into the Bible that Israel and the church were separate and all these things. And then Christians back then in the early 1900s, hey, it's in the Bible. It must be from God.

It was the footnotes. They put footnotes in it. Was this the first time footnotes were ever dropped into the Bible? I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. I have a feeling it may be. But people just said, well, it's in the Bible. It's right there in these footnotes. It must be inspired. He grabbed Darby's teachings.

He repaired it. He repaired it. He raptured that. Dropped it into his new Schofield reference Bible. Got a free trip by the guy from the Lotus Club or paid for his membership. And got a contract with Oxford Publishing. I've been told, I've not been able to verify it, that Oxford gave away thousands of copies, mailed them to pastors in the United States as a promotional effort to get it going. But after a number of years, the Schofield Bible was millions of copies, and it became just doctrine.

And that's how we got to. Now that's why writing chapter one was so hard. Because how do you explain all this stuff to people? How do you show Christians, you got snookered. I got snookered. We all got snookered by this stuff. It's propaganda. You know the crazy thing is it's so complex that you're unlikely to be able to clearly articulate what Darby intended with his own doctrine.

That's right. Like most Christians today, evangelical charismatic believers in the United States still don't know what the end times looks like. You're right. And you have to go to a Darby inspired Bible college or seminary and spend four to six years

to be fully indoctrinated in the doctrine so that you can teach it to others. You've seen the Darby prophecy charts. Not by Darby himself, but it's the pre-tribulation rapture prophecy charts. You stretch these things out. They got so many intricate things. This happens and this happens and this happens and this happens and then the rapture happens and then there's tribulation and this happens and even after Jesus comes back,

the chart keeps going for a thousand years. It keeps going. And then more stuff after a thousand years. You want to know what my... See, they can sell those charts for $99. And you open them up and you go, whoa, I'll never be able to explain that to my brother-in-law. So what would your chart look like? crucifixion, ascension, millennial kingdom,

tribulation, second coming, eternity. It's that simple. Simple. When Jesus comes back, it's Jesus. There's no Jewish kingdom for a thousand years.

There's none of this stuff that's going on. It's Jesus. It's King Jesus. Why do I need any of this other stuff? Why would I want it? I want him. My heart, my affection is on him. Why would I want a temple?

He is my temple. Revelation says there's no need want a temple? He is my temple. Revelation says there's no need for a temple. There's no need for moon and stars and sun. It's only him. And it clearly says this. And yet they continue to build this elaborate story. You know, I'm not a Calvinist, but John Calvin, I believe, I accept a lot of things John Calvin taught.

I just don't accept the predestination stuff, okay? But Calvin, he rejected all this stuff. You know, I mean, Darby wasn't around, but these doctrines like a millennial kingdom had been around. OK, somebody asked him about a thousand year millennial kingdom. And he said, it's so ridiculous. I'm not wasting my time answering the question. Yeah. See, that's where Darby would find these doctrines. In the early church, it was called Kiliasm. C-H-I-L-I-A-S-M.

Kiliasm meaning a thousand, like where we get the word kilo. A kilo is a thousand. So the old Greek word was keleasm. So the early church had branded this doctrine, because it was around back then. But it got branded as a heresy and as a Jewish fable. Because they said most, where this doctrine came from,

was from rabbinic writings, rabbis. And so they just said it's heresy and we're not going to teach it in the church. But there were prominent pastors in the early church that did teach it, but it was not

the accepted doctrine. It was not mainstream doctrine. Right, it was not mainstream. Yeah. Wow. So anyhow, see, all that's in this first, this is why I had to rewrite the first chapter and make it simple.

He comes back one time, and the reason that people have trouble with it is they have a satanic stronghold in their head. And they have to pray and ask the Lord to remove the satanic stronghold. And I think, Jeremy, this book is going to, I think it's going to devastate this stronghold. Why do too? I think that, you know, when you grow up, when you're raised on rapture doctrine, it just doesn't make sense. That's what I always struggle with. Why is this so complex? It just doesn't make sense.

What you talked about was easy math, evangelical Zionism math, which is one plus one equals one. When really he comes back or sorry, there's a rapture event. So Jesus comes and raptures the church. This is according to the rapture, right? Dispensationalist. There's a snatching of believers, right? Dispensationalist. There's a snatching of believers, right? So he comes, he takes his believers, plus he then comes back, but that one doesn't, this one doesn't count. That one doesn't count. And so those two things together equal one. Yes. Which really one plus one equals two. Because if you ask the

rapturers, how many times does Jesus come back? And they say one. But when they explain it, it's two. Yeah. You said, well, I thought you believed in a secret pre-tribulation rapture. I do. Well, then he comes back twice. No, no. The rapture's not. It's not the second coming. How does that not count? Of course it counts. Of course. And the other thing, you know, I got, there's some,

I did, there's some sarcasm in the book. There are a few things where I let my sarcasm run free. In the example, when Christ comes back, the raptures teach that it's silent. Only the Christians see and hear Jesus come back. Nobody else does it. That's not a characteristic that any of the disciples talk. So 1 Thessalonians says he descends with a shout, the trump of God. So I ask

does Jesus just move his lips? It's an inaudible shout. Does God's trumpet have a muffler on it? He puts it up in his mouth. You know? It's like, this is crazy stuff. They quote the scripture as proof of the second rapture, and yet the scripture refutes what they teach.

They teach it's a secret rapture, that nobody sees and hears Jesus but the Christians who get raptured. And yet they tell you he descends with a shout, with a trumpet, but nobody hears the trumpet, nobody hears the shout. You tell me, Jeremy, you tell me how Almighty God, the Ancient of Days, whether he himself blows the trumpet or he turns to an angel and says, blow my trumpet, it doesn't matter. It's God's trumpet. It's his trumpet.

Okay. You tell me how that trumpet is sounded and the entire universe doesn't hear it. No. He doesn't have sound insulation up in the walls of heaven. And the trumpet doesn't go beyond his building. The entire universe. You tell me how Jesus shouts or the archangel shouts, whoever it is that shouts. You tell me how that shout is not heard throughout the entire universe. It's going to go

through the solar system. It's going to go to every solar system in the universe, the entire universe. And besides, what's happening to the universe at that time? Jesus has dispatched the angels to, first of all, to power down the sun, the moon, the stars. They close shop. He's closing. He turned the lights off. Why? Because he's done with it. It's over.

And then they roll up the universe like a scroll. What do you do with something you roll up? Toss it. He's done with the universe. Why? Because it was defiled by sin. He even makes a new heaven. Okay?

He makes a new heaven. What does he do with old heaven because god moves to the new earth and lives in new jerusalem what does he do with the old heaven does he put a out of business sign on it does he board it up with plywood does he does he put it on Zillow and sell it? I mean, what does he do with it? He burns it up. Why? The first sin was in heaven. Wow.

The first sin. He doesn't want to remember any of it. Behold, I make all things new. He doesn't even want to remember the day Satan, Lucifer sinned in heaven. He wants to rid all of it from his memory. And he actually says that when he casts those who are unbelievers into the lake of fire, he erases it from his memory. He doesn't remember them. He could do that. Yes. He remembers them no more. That is, to me, the worst thought of hell,

the lake of fire, is to be... You're there. You're there. You're screaming. God doesn't know you're there. He can't hear you. He doesn't even remember making you.

He erases it from his own mind. That's what the Bible says. He's done. At that point, he's done with rebellious mankind he's not going to think about it another day he's not going to think about all the aborted babies he's not going to think about all the wars all the murders everything that man has done since the since cain and abel he's not going to remember. He's done with it. He wants to do something new.

And he wants to live forever with his children who love him. And I don't think you and I are going to remember any of it. I think he does a hard drive wipe on our brain. We don't remember it. Why would, if he wipes away all tears, well, if we remembered it, if we remembered, hey, wait a minute, I got a close friend that didn't make it.

He's over in a lake of fire. I'm not going to be happy. That's a good point. Like, why would he erase it from his own mind, but he allows it to stay in your mind? That's right. He knows your thoughts. I believe it's totally new, completely new.

I think the new world, the new earth, it's bigger. It's more beautiful than anything we can imagine. It's not going to be the same size as this earth. It could be anything he wants it to be. And there will be features, sounds, smells, colors that don't exist now. He's got a surprise. It's going to be beyond anything we can comprehend. And there will be mountains we've never seen. There will be natural formations we've never imagined.

And you know what? The father's thinking, I can't wait. I can't wait to show it. I can't wait to make it. I can't. You know how long it's going to take him to make it? As long as it took him to speak this earth into existence, he's going to say, new earth be.

Boom. There it is. Otherwise, what does he need? Time? But he created time. So why does he need something that he created to give him a means to create matter, earth. He doesn't need time to create earth. He just says it because he created time. But you don't need time in eternity. And no clocks, no calendars.

It's always now. It's always wonderful. Hey, we probably should... I want to get in, let's do it tomorrow, but I want to get into the characteristics of his second coming. What does it look like? And let's talk about, you know, what does it look like before he returns? What does it look like when he gets here? Yeah, it's exciting. There are so many awesome things. It's 10 characteristics. You can have a copy. We'll get it out to you right away. We printed thousands of them, and we're shipping them out every day. Final day, the 10 characteristics of the second coming of Jesus Christ.

And it is $19.95 plus shipping. If you would like me to personally autograph it, I'd be honored to do it. We're asking for a $100 donation. All the money has gone to support this ministry, True News, and it will continue. I've made a promise to the Lord, and I'm going to keep that promise,

and I haven't paid myself one dime from this book. And that is the truth, Jeremy. You know it. I do know it. And I wish you would have, but you have kept to your word. Yeah, I made a vow to the Lord. And God is using this book to do multiple things. He's blessing people.

He's giving them a new understanding of the second coming. And he's also financing this ministry with this book. So get yourself a copy. Some people are ordering 10 to 20 copies and we'll send them out right away. Go to truenews.com. There's a banner at the top of the page.

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Appreciate it. This was fun. I enjoyed this. Thanks for letting me sit in your seat. I'd like to do this more often. Yeah. Jeremy, we'll be back tomorrow. We'll do round two. And then on Monday, Big Jim Shaw, the worm farmer, will be here. And only God knows what's going to come out of his mouth on Monday because that man is outspoken.

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