TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Date: September 29, 2026 Lesson 192-2026 Proverbs 30:3-4 - What Is His Name, What Is His Son’s Name?

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

In this edition of Morning Manna, Rick Wiles and Doc Burkhart continue Agur’s remarkable words in Proverbs 30:3–4. Agur asks questions no ordinary man can answer: Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who controls the wind, the waters, and the earth? Then comes the remarkable question: “What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?” The Old Testament leaves the question standing, while the New Testament brings it into focus. This lesson explores the limits of human wisdom, our dependence upon divine revelation, and an ancient question that points forward toward Christ. Lesson 192-2026 Teachers: Rick Wiles and Doc Burkhart You can partner with us by visiting MannaNation.com, calling 1-888-519-4935, or by mail at PO Box 399 Vero Beach, FL 32961 MEGA FIRE reveals the ancient recurring cycles of war and economic collapse that have shaped history for 600 years. These patterns predict America is now entering its most dangerous period since World War II. Get your copy today! www.megafire.world Get high-quality emergency preparedness food today from American Reserves! www.AmericanReserves.com It’s the Final Day! The day Jesus Christ bursts into our dimension of time, space, and matter. Now available in eBook and audio formats! Order Final Day from Amazon today! www.Amazon.com/Final-Day Apple users, you can download the audio version on Apple Books! www.books.apple.com/final-day Purchase the 4-part DVD set or start streaming Sacrificing Liberty today. www.Sacrificingliberty.com

Welcome to morning, my north. Welcome to morning, my new ritual, your teachers, ragwiles, and Dr. Birkla, get your Bible and notebook and get ready to here before. Good morning. Welcome to the morning man up breakfast cafe. This is the best place you're going to find to get yourself an inurching meal for your soul.

So come on in, open your Bible, get a seat, get comfortable, and pour yourself a fresh cup of tea or coffee, and let's study the Word of God together. My name is Rick Wiles. My teaching partner is Dr. Raymond Burkhart, and together we have been teaching the book of Proverbs for one year. We are currently in the 30th chapter of Proverbs, and we hope to finish chapter 31. month. It's been a deep dive into wisdom and understanding, and I hope it's impacted your life in a positive way like it has impacted mine. I have been blessed by studying and teaching the Book of Proverbs this time. I've taught it numerous times over the years, but this one has been different, and I have learned a lot myself as I have prepared for these lessons. All of our lessons are archived at manonation.com.

And our lesson number today is 192-2020. 192-2020. So let's pray and invite the Holy Spirit. And Dr. Burkhart will introduce today's lessons. Almighty God, our Father in heaven, we give you glory and honor and praise. We come in the name of Jesus. We ask for your anointing,

an inspiration upon Dr. Burkhard and me to teach your word and upon the people to receive the word and let everything be done, Father, for the glory of your son, Jesus Christ. That his kingdom, his kingdom government in this earth would be expanded. And that this lesson would strengthen his church and help bring in new citizens into his kingdom. in Jesus' name. Amen. We are so glad to have you here with us today as we start lesson 192-2020. It's been an interesting journey throughout this year of 26.

It's hard to believe that it's almost nearly complete that this year is. And we're in the 30th chapter of Proverbs. Well, focusing on verses 3 and 4 today. So we're actually seeing the end of Proverbs coming up here in the next few weeks. And so looking forward to what we have in store for the future. But let's read Proverbs 30 verses 3 and 4 today. This will be an interesting lesson today.

It says, I neither learned wisdom nor have the knowledge of the holy. Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fist? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name and what is his son's name if thou canst tell? This will be an interesting passage today. Now, as we set this up, Proverbs chapter 30, verses 3 and 4,

they complete the argument that our teacher Agar began back in verse 2. If you recall yesterday's lesson, we went deep into verses 1 and 2. And they contain one of the most remarkable questions in the Old Testament. It's a fascinating question here to read. Verse two confessed he is more brutish than any man. Now, verse three now specifies what he lacks. He has neither learned wisdom nor acquired the knowledge of the Holy One. And then, verse four does something extremely unexpected,

rather than continuing to describe his own deficiency, as Agar started out with in verses 1 and 2, carried over in the verse 3. Agar then turns the question out asking who, if not he, has done the things only God can do. So the whole structure, really, as we've read these first four verses here, is an argument and really needs to be taught as a single argument. What our teacher, Agar confesses is his incapacity. first of all, and demonstrates that his incapacity isn't peculiar just to him. Now, as we get further along in the chapter here, six questions are going to follow, and every one of them has the same answer, no man.

And then the seventh question, which has been read by a long line of interpreters as a genuine foreshadowing of Christ, and that is, what is his name, what is his same, what is his son's name, if thou can tell. So today, our aim is to follow teacher Agar's argument carefully, handle the messianic question with care, and it warrants our morning manic classmates' attention today. And we're going to be focusing strictly on the King James today, by the way. And so Rick we'll talk more about that as we go along here in our lesson. As we got started here, with verse three. Right?

Thank you, Doctor. Verse three, I neither learn wisdom nor have the knowledge of the holy. So Agar denies two things, and they are not the same thing said twice.

The first is acquired wisdom. I neither learned wisdom. The Hebrew word is Lamati. It means to be taught, to be trained. to be disciplined in something.

It describes instructions received. So Agar is saying, I've never been taught. Wisdom. The second is something even higher. Nor have the knowledge of the holy. The Hebrew word is petashim. And it's a plural form,

literally the holy ones. Now, most Bible translations render it as a plural of majesty referring to God himself. And that's the way the World English Bible and the Aramaic Peshita take it as the knowledge of a holy one. The identical phrase appears in Proverbs 9, verse 10. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. and the knowledge of the holy is understanding. Same words in Hebrew. So Solomon used it as the summit of what a man or woman can taint.

So Agar is denying in order the ordinary instruction that produces wisdom. I didn't go to school. I wasn't mentored. I didn't go to a school of prophets I wasn't taught this by rabbis I wasn't instructed in wisdom and he's also denying the direct knowledge of God

that Proverbs calls understanding so he has neither preening in wisdom nor revelation of God and notice what this does to his position a man or woman who lacked only the first could still be taught. And a man, woman who lacked only the second might still have the human tools to reason toward it. Agar claims to have neither.

And that leaves him with no root to the thing he's about to ask for. Matthew Henry, the Presbyterian theologian, observed that Agar's confession is the most honest thing a man or woman can say when standing before the knowledge of God. Since every other posture requires either pretending to an attainment, he or she does not possess, or shrinking the subject to a size that he or she can make. And so what I appreciate about Proverbs is I know that many people focus on the wisdom of Proverbs, but really Proverbs is a heavily doctrinal book. And we're getting an introduction to this once again here in this passage. And the doctrinal framework here in verse 3 rest on what Scripture consistently says about the limits of the human investigation of God. And so this is not anti-intellectualism by any stretch of the imagination.

Proverbs actually throughout this, and we've talked about this, it commends study, diligent study and the pursuit of understanding in nearly every chapter and every page. What Scripture denies is that the pursuit can reach God by its own power. That's really the essence of our age today that we can do. think our way to God or outthink God. And if we refer back to the book of Job, Job chapter 11, verse 7, ask a direct question. It says, can thou by searching find out God? Can thou by searching find out God?

Then Isaiah 559 states the distance. It says, as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways. and then in the New Testament the Apostle Paul reaches the same conclusion after 11 chapters in the book of Romans of the most sustained reasoning in Scripture. Everything

in Romans has been an argument and then it comes to Romans 1133 and says how unsearchable are his judgments and his ways past finding out. Okay, so, now note who is saying these things.

Not men who failed at thinking. I mean, we're talking about Job, Isaiah, Paul. But Job in the middle of the scripture's most rigorous wrestling with your relationship with God, Isaiah, the greatest of the writing prophets, and the Apostle Paul at the pinnacle of Romans. The men who pressed furthers report the limit most clearly.

I hope our audience sees that. the term for what this requires, my friends, is revelation. Knowledge that must be given because it cannot be acquired. And that's where our teacher, Agar, has arrived here. Deuteronomy 2929 draws the line. The secret things belong unto the Lord our God. But those things which are revealed belong unto us and our children. There's that word revelation there, reveal.

Two categories. What God discloses is genuinely ours. What he says, what he reveals, what he says, that belongs to us. What he has not disclosed remains his, his territory. And no amount of an investigation transfers it. And so what our teacher Agger has positioned himself at is precisely at that line. And verse four is what a man asked when he has arrived at that point of the limit of his intellectual capacity, Rick. What do you have to say about this?

I'm going to go to verse four and read these astounding questions. Personally, Doc, I get so excited when I read these questions. I get excited when I read anything that describes my Heavenly Father, because I'm able to say, that's my Father. That's my Father. Okay. Listen to the verse 4. Who hath ascended up to heaven into heaven?

Who hath ascended up into heaven? or descended, who hath gathered the wind in his fists, who have bound the waters in a garment, who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou can tell? I just love it. Doc, our Heavenly Father ascends up to heaven and descends. Our Heavenly Father catches the wind in his fist.

Yes. Try doing that. Go outside the day and try to catch the wind and hold it in your fist. He bounds up the water in his garments. try to hold the oceans, the seas in your clothing. He's established all the ends of the earth. And what is this? What is this God's name?

And while you're answering that question, tell us the name of his son. Yes. If you can do it. I knew this was Old Testament. And God was climbing the people of Israel in the Old Testament, God has a son. So verse four contains

six questions before the final one. And they are arranged deliberately. Each describes an act that only God performs. Who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Notice the order. Ascend it.

and then descend it. The sequence is unusual. A man or woman might imagine going up to heaven. What Agar describes is someone who went up and came back down, and came back with something. So the question is essentially this. Has anyone made the round trick? Has anyone gone where God is?

Learn what God knows. and return to tell it? Deuteronomy chapter 30, verse 12 asked the same thing in a slightly different way, who shall go up for us to heaven and bring it unto us that we may hear it and do it.

And then the question, Doc, who hath gathered the wind and his fists? I mean, the image is absurd for humans. the Hebrew word that's used here it means the hollow of the hand, a closed fist. We all know wind can't be held. It is the definition of what escapes a grip.

Nobody, no human can hold the wind, but God can hold it. Now, if you recall, we go back to Proverbs chapter 27, just a few months ago, verse 16, whosoever highteth her, highteth the wind. Wind in a fist is the standard biblical image for what no man or woman can do. And so Agar asks this question,

can you do this? Can you hold the wind? But he asks more questions, Doc. Yeah, that's right. The next question he asked, where he is, who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath found the waters in the garment. Now, the picture is of water gathered up and carried in a cloth. But think about this, water passes through fabric.

That's what fabric does. So we're talking about something else here, right? Well, I believe that scripture interprets scripture. And so Job 26-8 uses the same image of God. It says, He bindeth up the waters. in his thick clouds, and the cloud does not rent under them. So the garment that Agar is talking about is the clouds,

you know, it's God himself gathering the waters up in the clouds. The clouds hold the sea, and they don't tear. Then he also asks, who hath established all the ends of the earth? Who has set it up? Who raised? Who caused it to stand? Who caused the extremities of the limits and the boundaries of the earth? Who set that?

And so this is a creation question. And same one that God asked Job. If you recall, Job 384, Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Where were you? Where wasst thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? So every one of these has the same answer. And teacher Agar, he doesn't come out and say it.

He wants you to answer it. He wants you to come up with the answer. But no man, not Agar, not his hearers, not any. And that is the point of asking rather than telling. And so what our teacher Agar has constructed here is a series of questions, whose unanimous answer establishes his argument for him that the knowledge of God

is not within human reach because the acts of God are beyond human capacity and so when the apparent frustration in verses 1 and 2 where Agar was crawling out I can't know anything

and he's saying but neither can anyone else all humanity he comes to this very same place. And so Adam Clark observed, the Agar's questions are, what they're actually doing, Rick, is they're range from greatest to the most intimate. Talking about ascent to heaven, then control of the wind, containing the sea,

establishment of the boundaries of the earth, and that each one of these narrows the field until only one person, only one individual, only one divine being, remained standing in the midst of it, Rick. Amen. Doc, I imagine, you know, when God asked Job that question, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

You know, I imagine the Lord, not with a, you know, scout with his face. I think he had a grin on his face. I think he looked around and said, Joe, where were you when I made the world? I don't recall seeing you. Were you there with a grin on his face?

I don't remember seeing you when I made the world. We all need to be reminded. Sometimes we think we know too much about God and his kingdom and his creation power. And we need to remind ourselves, We weren't there when he made everything. He had not even made man. So the theology beneath these questions

is the doctrine of God's incommunicable attributes. The qualities that belong to him alone and not shared with any creature. And each of Agar's questions touches one of these attributes. a scent and descent touch God's transcendence. The wind in his fist

touches his sovereignty over what cannot be controlled. Just as Jesus demonstrated exactly this in Mark 4, verse 39, when the disciples said, what manner of man is this? That even the wind

that see obey him, Well, I'll tell you what manner of man it is, is the one who can hold the wind and it's this. And in the waters and his garment, they touch his power to sustain what should not hold together. The ends of the earth. Touch his work as creator. So all these questions connected to God's attributes. Isaiah 40 gathers nearly the same list in a sense. single verse, this is Isaiah 40

verse 12, who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand and meted out heaven with the span and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure and weigh the mountains and scales.

That's our father. Yes. I look forward to the day that I can just watch him be himself. there's a day we're going to be with him. Either we leave this world at our time or after Christ comes back for the entire church.

But there's coming a time that you're going to be able to see our Heavenly Father in action. What's he like? I just would like just to see him, Doc, just to watch him. Just to watch him. to watch to watch how my father, how he walks, how he talks, how he does things. Do you think you would say to him, can you show me that catching the wind in your hand thing, holding it with your fist?

Could you just do it one time for me? Just let me see you do it. Catch the wind in your hand. You know, I marvel at it. I marvel at our father. So Isaiah asked a question and then answered it. It is he that sit upon the circle of the earth. Well, Agar asks these questions and just leaves the audience standing there, contemplating.

He's not really looking for an answer because these don't have an answer unless it's revealed. And so the difference is for a purpose here. What Isaiah converts of people in exile by reminding them who their God is. What Agar does is he silences a man's confidence by demonstrating what he cannot do. And both are legitimate uses of the same information. So when we use this application here in this particular sense, we've got to frame it careful because this can produce despair if left where Agar leaves it. You can ask these questions, and that's what a lot of modern philosophy, they ask

these same questions, Rick, except about who is God and what's his son's name. But for a lot of these modern philosophers, Rick, it leaves them in despair without answers. That's because it requires revelation from God. And so the limit is genuine. No human being has ascended and returned with the knowledge of God. but that limit is the setup here, and the New Testament supplies the answer. Then we get to that final segment, Rick, that the King James brings out.

Yes, sir. This is the great question. What is his name and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? It closes, the verse closes, with a question unlike the six preceding it. The first half is a question that the reader might expect.

Agar describes someone who does only what God does, and now ask what name he is called. So the question has a precedent in Scripture. Moses asked this question at the burning book. Bush. When they shall say to me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? This is an Exodus chapter 3. And God answered, I am, but I am. Which is one of the coolest statements. That statement's got so much swag in it, Doc. I mean, just, just to have him, I am. I am what? I am. I am. I am everything.

I mean, it is, it is such a cool statement by our Heavenly Father. I marvel at it. I just marvel that that's how my father hold Moses. If they ask who, what's my name? Just say, I am, I am that I am. It's awesome. Then the second half of Agrius is questioned, and what is the name of his son?

And then the second half of this question absolutely stops the readers. Agri asked, what is the name of his son? He had just described the creator, the one who ascends and descends, the one who holds wind and water, the one who established here. And then he asked about this person's son. If you can tell me the name of a one who holds the wind and the water, you should be able to tell me the name of his son. Obviously, the question assumes that the son exists. Agri does not ask whether he has a son.

He asks the son's name. So, Doc, clearly in the old covenant days, there were men and women who knew that God has a son. Yes. And with all due respect, the Jewish people have no excuse for denying the name of Jesus. So Agar asked the Christian, if thou canst tell. He makes a statement. In other words, if you know, it is a challenge.

And the expected answer in Agar's own time is that no one knows. Now, Bible scholars and interpreters have. I have debated this for a long, long time. To me, it's so simple, it's so easy to answer this question. The name of his son is Jesus. Psalm 2, verse 7, thou art my son. This day have I begotten thee? So obvious.

Verse 12 in Psalm 2, kiss the son, lest he be angry. Isaiah 9, verse 6, unto us a son is given. God clearly identified, he revealed, in the old covenant scriptures, he revealed that he has a son. Charles Bridges observed that Abber asks a question. The Old Testament could not answer, but the New Testament answers in its first chapter, and that the gap between the asking and the answering is the whole. whole of redemptive history. Yes.

And there's a fascinating parallel to this passage today in the New Testament in John chapter 3. So consider what Jesus Christ said about himself. So in John chapter 3, you've got the picture here, you've got Jesus talking to Nicodemus. Nicodemus is asking questions too.

came to Jesus asking questions about the Messiah and prophecies and all these different things. He almost kind of think there's a parallel here between Nicodemus and Agar. And Nicodemus, he was a teacher. He was part of the elite in Israel. And he would have known this passage from Proverbs. John 313. This is Jesus speaking to Nicodemus. Listen to what he says.

He says, No man hath ascended up to heaven. But he that came down from heaven, even the son of man, which is in heaven. Now, Nicodemus being a teacher, this should have sparked some brain cells about Proverbs chapter 30 here. Because if you read that against Agar's first question,

who hath ascended up into heaven or descended? Well, Jesus answered, No man hath ascended. but the sun has descended. And so Jesus answered Agar's question. No man has. No man has ascended to heaven, but one has come down from heaven,

and he identifies himself as that one, and he calls himself the son. So not only is this passage that we're studying, today in proverbs, doctrinally, you know, we have to grapple with it doctrinally, but it's also prophetic. And, gee, I believe Jesus is referencing this particular passage here. I, in my opinion, but whether he was deliberately alluding to Proverbs 30 verse 4, I can't prove it, okay, but what sure feels right, but what can be observed is that he answers aggregating. question precisely. That's no doubt there. And he answers it in Agar's own terms. And what else does he do?

He supplies the title that Agar asked for. What is his son's name? His son's name is Jesus, the son of man. And so the careful formulation is this. Agar asked a question the Old Testament raises repeatedly and never quite fully answers because it required more revelation. The New Testament opens up, opens the curtain back, and opens up by answering that question. In Hebrews chapter one, first two verses of Hebrews chapter one, it states this whole movement in a single sentence, God, who at sundry times in divers manners, spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets hath in these days spoken unto us by his son. In other words, questions that Agar asked could only be answered by the son of man himself of Jesus.

Amen. So God speaking through the prophets over many centuries told the people that he has a son, but he never gave the son's name. But over centuries, God, through Isaiah, through Job, through Agar, and others, God told the people he has a son. And then the old covenant came to an end.

And the new covenant arrived. And the very first thing we are told is the name of the son. He had, God had been waiting. He's like, it's coming, it's coming,

is coming, is coming. The day is coming. I'm going to tell you the name of my son. His name is Jesus. His name is Jesus. We, the church, should be shouting his name, declaring his name. His name is Jesus. Tell the whole world that Jesus Christ is the son of God. And he is our Savior. He is our Redeemer. And he is the only pathway to God, the Father. I hope this has been a blessing to you as we begin our study of chapter 30 in the book of Proverbs. And there's a lot more to go. And we've got chapter 31 yet to finish. I bless you. Thank you for being here today. We appreciate your time and your support and your prayers. We'll be back here tomorrow. God bless you.

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