TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Dr. Chuck Baldwin: Is Your Bible Prophecy View Israel-based or Jesus-based?

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

World War 3 currently has two combat theaters. Ukraine and Palestine. The USA is supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine and a Zionist regime in Palestine, yet America’s Deceived-Vangelicals are cheering for the Nazis and the Zionists. Meanwhile a lot of wannabe Bible prophecy teachers are dusting off their Scofield Bibles to help them produce YouTube videos proclaiming that the Gog and Magog War is here, and soon Israel will be surrounded by the world’s armies seeking to annihilate the Jews. Sadly, many sincere Christians are confused by all of it and simply go along with the eschatology camp that makes the most noise. The ones who make the most noise are the people with the most money. And the ministries with the most money are the ones financed by people who want to conceal the truth and keep the Church of God confused. My guest today is Baptist pastor Chuck Baldwin. Like me, Pastor Baldwin has spiritually migrated away from the Deceived-Vangelical Christian Zionist reservation and no longer teaches it as sound doctrine. I asked Pastor Baldwin to spend a full hour with me today to talk about the current state of affairs in the world, the deception in the American churches, and his view of the end of the age and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Doc Burkhart is here with us too. Pastor Baldwin is the senior shepherd of Liberty Fellowship in Kalispell Montana. The church’s website is Liberty Fellowship MT.com Rick Wiles, Doc Burkhart. Airdate 10/13/2023 Join the leading community for Conservatives Christians and watch this FULL show exclusively onhttps://www.FaithandValues.comYou can partner with us by visiting https://www.TruNews.com/donate, calling 1-800-576-2116, or by mail at PO Box 690069 Vero Beach, FL 32969.Now is the time to protect your assets with physical gold & silver. Contact Genesis Gold Today!https://www.TruNewsGold.comGet high-quality emergency preparedness food today from American Reserves!https://www.AmericanReserves.comIt’s the Final Day! The day Jesus Christ bursts into our dimension of time, space, and matter. Now available in eBook and audio formats! Order Final Day from Amazon today! https://www.amazon.com/Final-Day-Characteristics-Second-Coming/dp/0578260816/Apple users, you can download the audio version on Apple Books!https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/final-day-10-characteristics-of-the-second-coming/id1687129858Purchase the 4-part DVD set or start streaming Sacrificing Liberty today. https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/watchThe Fauci Elf is a hilarious gift guaranteed to make your friends laugh! Order yours today! https://tru.news/faucielf

This is True News, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help us God. I'm Rick Wiles. Today is Friday, October 13, 2023. Now this program was pre-recorded several days ago to give our team a day to move our studio to another physical location and to have it operational by Monday. World War III currently has two combat theaters, Ukraine and Palestine. The USA is supporting a Nazi regime in Ukraine and a Zionist regime in Palestine. Yet America's deceived evangelicals are cheering for the Nazis and the Zionists. Meanwhile, a lot of wannabe Bible prophecy teachers are dusting off

their skull-filled Bibles to help them produce YouTube videos proclaiming that the Gog and Magog war is here and soon Israel will be surrounded by the world's army seeking to annihilate the Jews. Sadly, many sincere Christians are confused by all of it and simply go along with the eschatology camp that makes the most noise. And the ones who make the most noise are the people with the most money. And the ministries with the most money are the ones financed by people who want to conceal the truth and keep the church of God confused. My guest today is Baptist Pastor Chuck Baldwin. Like me, Dr. Baldwin has spiritually migrated away from the deceived evangelical Christian Zionist reservation and no longer teaches it as sound doctrine.

I asked Dr. Baldwin to spend a full hour with me and Doc Burkhart to talk about the current state of affairs in the world, the deception in the American churches, and his view about the end of the age and the second coming of Jesus Christ. As I said, Doc Burkhart is here with me. Pastor Baldwin is on the telephone. He is the senior shepherd of Liberty Fellowship in Kalispell, Montana. The church's website is libertyfellowshipmt.com. Dr. Baldwin, glad to have you back on True News. It's great to be with you, Rick. Really is. Thank you for letting me come on. Well, do you have your Gog and Magog war video ready to sell? I have a Gog and Magog

message that I preached in set one of my prophecy package, which I'm still preaching through. But it's message number six, and it's titled, Ezekiel's Gog and Magog, sons of Japheth included Ashkenaz. And I go into depth in Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39, Daniel chapter 8, Genesis chapter 10, and I prove conclusively through the Word of God that the Ezekiel's Gog and Magog prophecy had absolutely nothing to do with any kind of future Israel, but it's an event that took place in the past,

and I go into depth to explain that. Rick, for the listeners and viewers of your program that don't really know a lot about me, would you give me a couple minutes just to give my testimony as to how I came to where I am today? Sir, you've got another 55 minutes, and you can say anything you want to say. Well, you touched on it in your introduction, and I thank you for mentioning that, because it's a part of both of our lives. I was raised in a Baptist environment, and I went to college and two Baptist colleges

and then did postgraduate work. And all of the training that I received academically in those colleges taught the dispensational futurist perspective on Bible prophecy, of course. So I was schooled in that and nothing but that. When I graduated and I started my first church at the age of 23, and we began to preach through the Bible. Of course, we ended up in Revelation from time to time, and each time I did, I simply regurgitated what I had been taught, and I did so without a lot of thinking about it. It's just, you know, when you're that age and you're very impressionable,

and what your professors tell you has got to be true. And so I just simply regurgitated the Schofield line. And I did that, Rick, for over three decades, 30 years. I look back on that with quite a bit of regret and some shame because that was 30 years that I taught untruth. And I have publicly apologized for that to everybody that has ever listened to me since. And I've said how my goal now is to spend the rest of my ministry telling people the truth, especially on this issue. So I was taught that. And then about 2007, so I'll skip forward and save a lot of details. But in about 2007, Rick, every time I started saying anything about Israel in the way that I understood it, the dispensationalist philosophy, any time I just mentioned it, much less preached on it, just mentioned it in passing from the pulpit. I had this strong, uneasy feeling in my heart. At first, I ignored it, but it wouldn't go away. In fact, it only got stronger and stronger.

Finally, it got to the point that I was not even able to discuss it publicly because of this uneasiness in my soul, not feeling confident, but not knowing why. So in the transition of moving from the southeast to the northwest here in Montana, then I began to do, first of all, a lot of prayer. It took me a couple of years of praying. Just, Lord, if I'm not teaching truth, then you've got to show me what truth is, because I don't know anything else. And I had an open mind. I've always had an open mind for truth, and I want to preach truth. And so after a couple of years of prayer, I just began to open my Bible and study.

I did not use notes. I did not use other people's material. I did not watch videos. I did not read books. I had a ton of books I could have read, a ton of videos I could have watched. I didn't do any of that. I just took the Scripture, asked the Holy Spirit to please tell me the truth and show me as I went through. And it's an amazing journey.

The Lord began to open my eyes before ever discussing the Lord and I between the differences of prophecy, that wasn't even on the radar at the time. I'm talking 2011, 12, 13, 14. It wasn't even on the radar. But the thing that the Holy Spirit brought to my attention vividly through my study of the Scriptures was the subject of Israel. And I came to realize that everything that I had been taught about Israel was false. So then I began a seven-year study and preaching, and I brought a series of messages, 31 to be exact,

in three separate packages that we simply call the Israel packages. And I taught the truth that God showed me during that period of time. But the point is that my journey began with an understanding of the subject of Israel, not prophecy. Everybody wants to jump right into prophecy. New Christians, you know, will write to the book of Revelation. Everybody wants to talk about prophecy. And prophecy really isn't the issue. The issue is Israel. Once you understand what the Bible teaches about Israel, prophecy is really quite simple. There's really nothing convoluted about it. I agree.

That is absolutely right. Figure out who is Israel, and the rest of it will fall in place. Yes, and that's the way it happened for me, Rick. And once I saw that, then when we got into the subject of prophecy in 2021, I believe that's when I started my series, then it just, like you just said, it just all fell right into place. And so that's where the evangelicals are going wrong. They've been taught version of Israel, which is a nuanced, false, I believe purposely false teaching on Israel. The Schofield Bible was financed by the Zionists, and I personally believe that Cyrus Schofield was a fraud and that he was no more a Bible scholar than the neighbor's dog next door. Yeah, he was a huckster. He went to jail. He was in jail for defrauding people. Absolutely. Well, not only that, he walked out on his wife and children back in the day when there was no safety net for anybody.

Right. And he just left them penniless. And I mean, the guy is just a con man. But he was a smart con man. And the Zionists got a hold of him. And he got involved in the Lotus Club in New York. And how many preachers do you know that I invited to the Lotus Club in New York? And yet there he was.

And so they financed his Bible, and they made sure that the notes coincided with the burgeoning Zionist movement at the time. You've got to remember back at that time in the late 1800s, going into the turn of the century, the Zionist movement was just really getting started. And they had to have a way of getting the support of evangelical Christians in the United States behind it. They knew that really without that support,

the Zionist movement was probably a lost cause. But if they could somehow enlist the support of the evangelical Christians in the United States, that they really felt that they could accomplish their goal. And that's exactly what the Schofield Bible was designed to do. And when the Schofield Bible was printed, it became an instant success. Bible colleges started using it as their textbooks. Preachers started preaching from it in their pulpits. It became the accepted text of the vast majority of evangelicals. And the notes in the Schofield Bible are clearly Zionist in construction.

Yes, they are. So that was the beginning of it. And my deliverance really, I consider it miraculous, work of the Holy Spirit in my heart to take me away from this really perverse version of prophecy into Israel. And I got to tell you, Rick, it's been the most wonderful, delightful, joyful, happy experience of my Christian life. I just love the truth. It makes you free. It is liberating. It absolutely is liberating once you cast off those shackles and realize that there is nothing deceiving you anymore. As you're free and you can speak the truth, you don't have to cater to anybody. You just speak the truth about Jesus Christ, his kingdom, his church, the identity of the church. And a lot of people, I mean, I know you are too.

We're finding great success. There's a lot of people very hungry for this message. They are. And they're gobbling it up. They know that they've been fed lies and they're hungry. They're looking for somebody to make sense of all of this. I don't know if you noticed in my introduction, I have a name for the American evangelicals. I now call them the deceived evangelicals. Yeah, I picked that up. Yeah, that's good.

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