TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Gordon Thomas: Robert Maxwell - Israel's Superspy

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Starting point is 00:00:49 Let's start off the week with one of Rick's favorite guests, author Gordon Thomas. On today's True News, Thomas provides insight into the life and death of Israel's super spy, Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell, characterized by his ruthlessness, volatility, and defiance, possessed insatiable desires, an enormous appetite for food, wine, women, power, and wealth. And he fearlessly displayed his ambitions to the world as he tirelessly worked to construct a vast publishing realm. However, beneath the surface of his career, another, more compelling ambition thrived, one that remained concealed, his aspiration to serve as a spy for Israel's Mossad.

Starting point is 00:01:31 The culmination of this tale, as eloquently presented by Gordon Thomas, a seasoned author entrenched in the enigmatic realm of international intelligence, unfolds in this riveting account. So the clash between the magnate's overt public pursuits and his covert spy missions ultimately culminated in his perplexing demise. Officially attributed to drowning in November 1991 off the Canary Islands, Maxwell's death was, according to Thomas's impeccably positioned sources in London, Washington, and Israel, the result of a profound conflict. Maxwell's initial encounter with Mossad occurred during the 70s when the adept Israeli intelligence agency absconded with the United States' most advanced intelligence-gathering software, the Enhanced Promise. Ingeniously, Mossad transformed it into an electronic Trojan horse convert

Starting point is 00:02:25 covertly amassing highly classified data from the very global organizations to which they peddled the software and facilitating these incredibly sensitive exchanges valued in the tens of millions across countries like China Russia and India was none other than Robert Maxwell yet Maxwell wasn't merely an intermediary. He also appropriated a portion of Mossad's profits, along with a staggering sum of $750 million from his employees' pension fund. And he did so in a desperate bid to sustain his business empire

Starting point is 00:02:59 and cater to the escalating demands of less patient creditors. As he sailed on his yacht on that fateful November evening in 91, Maxwell likely clung to the hope of a potential rescue orchestrated by Mossad, a lifeline that would salvage his faltering endeavors. Here is Rick Wiles speaking to Gordon Thomas, author of Robert Maxwell, Israel's Super Spy. Gordon Thomas, the award-winning, internationally acclaimed author of numerous books on intelligence agencies and espionage,

Starting point is 00:03:49 along with his co-worker, Martin Dillon, have just completed the publication of an absolutely incredible book on the life and death of Robert Maxwell. The book is entitled Robert Maxwell, Israel's super spy, the life and murder of a media mogul. This book is absolutely it is riveting. You can't put this book down because Gordon Thomas and Martin Dillon bring to the pages of this book intricate details about the involvement of Robert Maxwell with the Israeli Mossad who put an end to Robert Maxwell's career. On the telephone with me right now from his home in Ireland is the author, the co-author of this book, Gordon Thomas. Gordon, welcome back to American Freedom News. Wonderful to be back again. Oh, Gordon, I'll tell you, I can't put this book down. This is a fascinating book. You've outdone yourself. What is this, your 40th book?

Starting point is 00:04:43 Yeah, it's the 40th, yep. She's running away in England. We've gone through six reprints in four weeks, and it's done about 27,000 copies in the States, which is pretty good in this climate. But I think the attraction, as you know, is not that it's just a story of Maxwell, but it's one of the greatest thrillers I've ever encountered in my whole life, because many years ago, I briefly worked for Maxwell as one of his reporters in

Starting point is 00:05:14 his vast newspaper empire, and he was an absolute monster. And I remember, and this is the man who made off with hundreds of millions, by the way, I remember him coming down the editorial floor of the Daily Mirror and raging. He was holding up an expense sheet of some hapless reporter who he discovered had cheated him by all of 50 cents. And this reporter was fired on the spot. Now, what made it particularly poignant, of course, it was the day before Christmas Eve. You imagine he said, and a it particularly poignant, of course, it was the day before Christmas Eve. Hugh Magid said a happy Christmas to you and threw him out. He was extraordinary, Maxwell. He was bizarre.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Over 50 cents he fired a reporter, over 50 cents, and yet Maxwell himself stole hundreds of millions of dollars from his investors. That's right. And at the time, he was in the middle of stealing the reference center. But none of us suspected at the time, of course, that Maxwell was this super spy for Israel. And I think that's what's going to shake people, because one of the things that was so shattering when we were doing it, when Martin and I were doing our research, was to discover how he had taken Senator John Tower, who was, as you know, a powerful figure within the Republican Party, and had used him as his gopher. I was stunned when I read this in the book. Gordon, before we get into these really juicy details about Robert Maxwell,

Starting point is 00:06:42 for the benefit of our listeners who may not know very much about Robert Maxwell. For the benefit of our listeners who may not know very much about Robert Maxwell, give them a brief history of Robert Maxwell's financial empire and the influence that this man had back in the 70s and 80s and the early 90s, just before he died. Well, Maxwell was without a doubt a citizen of Cain writ large. He envisaged that he would one day be greater than Rupert Murdoch. He saw himself as the natural successor to Hearst, William Randall First. He imagined he would conquer the world. And what he did, he began in the most modest way possible, barefoot in a little village in the depths of of the balkans he rose having created for himself already a legend all fantasy about his wartime

Starting point is 00:07:34 experiences until he really became a war hero it's sort of art imitating fact in fact and he became quite a good war hero in world war i. And then, because he spoke all these many languages, he spoke eight languages fluently, he saw an opening for himself after World War II, which was in publishing. And very shrewdly, he acquired all the rights to a large number of German periodicals, scientific periodicals, which are really very advanced. And he republished these in England and in America and elsewhere and he found it his fortune. It became Pergamon Press

Starting point is 00:08:10 which became perhaps one of the biggest scientific publishing houses in Britain. He then rose and he became a member of the British Parliament. He became an incredible salesman and that became very important later. He could sell anybody anything, and of course, finally, he got his hands on the Daily Mirror, which was the flagship of the tabloid world in Britain. And he turned it into what became laughingly known as the Daily Maxwell, because pretty well every day he had his photograph on a front page with an editorial about this, that, and t'other.

Starting point is 00:08:46 But nobody realized at this time this was only part of his extraordinary existence because he was, without a doubt, very successful as a publisher, and he published a stream of bestsellers. He published a massive amount of scientific journals. He also saw the mirror circulation climb and climb and climb. And you would have thought you'd been satisfied with that, but no. He had made in his heart of hearts a commitment that Israel for him was to be a spiritual home, even though he had a British passport, even though he'd served in the British Army and so on. And so when he was approached by Mossad, because you see at that time we had the Cold War at full blast and Maxwell was the only person who could walk into the Kremlin, could walk

Starting point is 00:09:41 into anywhere in Eastern Europe through his languages, through his connections, through his publishing, everything else. And he became a natural target for Mossad to wish to recruit. And what they did, they offered him, would he work for them, not as a spy like we think of James Bond, but as just about the best door opener they would ever hope to have. And he said, no problem, he would do that. And so Robert Maxwell set about opening every possible door and learning every secret he could by doing so. He could walk into Downing Street, the home of Britain's prime minister. He became a close friend of Ronald Reagan. He could walk into the Oval Office. And where others would have to wait

Starting point is 00:10:20 their turn to go and see the president, he could just browse in. Absolutely unbelievable. And he knew everybody. And if you look at his library of photographs, and it is a library, literally there's walls of photographs of him, with every famous figure in the world. So this man knew everybody. With this man's multi-billion dollar empire, was part of his empire financed by the rothschild

Starting point is 00:10:47 banking empire no he wanted them to yes it was yes short answer yes he had oh pretty well every major bank in the world it's particularly american britain rothschild included of course they all poured money into him they were they throwing money at him, and he was using it to buy extraordinary things. For instance, he spent $2 billion to buy the Macmillan Publishing Corporation in New York. He spent $700 million to buy the airline guide and so on. But sometimes his buying went wrong, and he on. But sometimes his buying went wrong and he lost. And almost like the Wall Street crash in 1929, he didn't always calculate rightly because he wouldn't listen to anybody. He would do it on impulse. He was a very impulsive man. So there he was, buying and selling.

Starting point is 00:11:41 And by the time he was fully fledged as an operative for the Israeli airmoss, he had something like 400 companies under his absolute control. He was always the principal shareholder. He bought the Daily News in New York. He bought this famous yacht, which became central to our story, the Lady Ghislaine, which he named after his daughter. But what was so important is what he bought and set up in the Balkans, Central Europe. He became known as the King of Bulgaria because there he was, he behaved like a king. And it was there that he indulged

Starting point is 00:12:22 all his fantasies, both his business fantasies and his sexual fantasies. And it was there that he indulged all his fantasies, both his business fantasies and his sexual fantasies. And it was there that he met people like Fidel Castro. It was there that he met the head of the KGB at the time called Kroischoff, Vladimir Kroyschoff. And it was there that he became finally the bag man for organized crime families in the Balkans, in Eastern Europe, who also had connections to the Gotti family in New York and so on. And so Maxwell became the bag man, the money man for these crime families and he moved money around the world billions at the toss of a hat just like that gordon he also played extremely important roles in the um release of jews from russia and and he did eastern europe to be transported to israel tell us about some of these deals, how they were made. These

Starting point is 00:13:25 are deals that he would make with the Russians in exchange for favors. Yeah, essentially what would happen, he was able to persuade the Russians, that was his prime job, to help Israel get these Jews out of the Soviet Union and he moved 30,000 and more at a time and in return he provided the Russians with well his particular friends in there the KGB and what-have-you with the most lavish gifts he used their banks he also became very very close to the Politburo and so on. Now, this information was priceless to Mossad because he persuaded the Russians

Starting point is 00:14:12 to allow him to bring into the Soviet Union his computers from his factories. He had a large number of businesses making and selling computers. He began to set up this complete network of interrelated companies, which were targeted at moving into the West and stealing our technology, which he knew about and took part in because he was director of many of these companies. And his job was to, he walked both sides of the fence almost, of the road. He was extraordinary. I mean, one day he would be with President Reagan in the White House.

Starting point is 00:14:52 The next day he would be in the Kremlin doing a deal which would be in favor of Israel. And I remember what David Kimshie, the former deputy director of Mossad, told me. He said, you know, Robert Maxwell had one philosophy. It was Israel first, last, and always. Never forget that when you write about him. He was, for us, a great patriot. And that was so. But therefore, you may wonder, well, why did they have to get rid of him?

Starting point is 00:15:20 Well, what happened? Maxwell became more and more in love with himself, I suppose, with his power, his authority, his connections. Nobody he felt could dare challenge him, dare say no to him. He once said, prime ministers come and go, presidents come and go, but I'll be here forever. And so what happened on that premise? He was approached by Vladimir Khrushchev of the KGB to ask him if he would assist in a plot to overthrow Mikhail Gorbachev, who had just, you know, taken power in Russia and was bringing democracy, perestroika, into that devastated country. And Maxwell thought, where's the deal for me here? And they said, well, you can handle the national

Starting point is 00:16:10 debt if we pull this off. And that would have meant a very good take for him, because he's on 15% of everything you get on that. So he went to Israel, and he said to his friends at Mossad, how about this? Shall we get involved? We should get involved, he kept saying. And he outlined what the plan was. What he hadn't realized, he had totally miscalculated one thing. There were those high up in the Israeli government and in Mossad

Starting point is 00:16:42 who were horrified at the idea that anybody would want to remove Gorbachev because it would immediately bring them into confrontation with the United States. America saw Gorbachev as the only possible hope for salvation in Soviet Union, which was a powerful threat. They fought against it,

Starting point is 00:17:04 though in fact it wasn't that powerful a threat, as we were to discover. And the idea of overthrowing Gorbachev and probably assassinating him, with Israel being implicated through Maxwell, or perhaps even worse, implicated through other forces, horrified them, and they thought Maxwell has gone a step too far.

Starting point is 00:17:23 At the same time, he was running out of banks. He was borrowing and spending and losing. And his once powerful newspaper empire was beginning to totter partly due to union troubles. He couldn't save off huge expenses. Never mind the 50 cents that poor reporter, but he was running into huge bills, printing difficulties, all the things that we've seen Murdoch deal with and overcome successfully, I think. Maxwell couldn't, and he was losing money.

Starting point is 00:17:56 Money was pouring out. I believe you pointed out in your book that at the time of his decline, he was about $2.2 billion in the red. And his creditors didn't, they really didn't know how bad it was. They just, you know, each of the creditors knew that they were losing money, but nobody really knew how deeply in debt Maxwell's empire was running at the time. And so Maxwell, according to your book, Maxwell was running scared.

Starting point is 00:18:23 He knew he was sinking and sinking fast, and he had to come up with a way to get out of debt. So the pressure was on Maxwell to make a deal with somebody who could bail him out financially. Just recently, Gordon, I interviewed Mr. William Hamilton, the president of Isla, and we talked to him about how the Israeli Mossad stole his promise software. And you brought that out first in your book, Seeds of Fire. Now what I didn't know until I read this new book, Robert Maxwell, Israel's Super Spy, was that Robert Maxwell basically was the salesman for Promise. He's the one who took it and marketed it around the world.

Starting point is 00:19:09 Let's back up and talk about first how Israel got their hands on the Innslaw Promise software. Well, it was a most brilliant coup pulled off by that most brilliant spy master of all, Rafi Aitan of Mossad. He, at the time, was in his late middle years, but extraordinary man. You have to think of Rafi like a small tank is the best way to describe him. He is physically so powerful. He has also got this amazing ability to change his appearance with just a minimum of disguise. I remember talking to him about this

Starting point is 00:19:55 when I've known, I interviewed Rafi many times, and he's appeared in other books of mine with his spy craft and what have you. And he said, you know, all this stuff about beards and all this stuff for this guy's all nonsense he said all you need to do he said is put cotton wadding in your cheeks or up your nose uh you need to wear a pair of glasses if you don't smoke smoke if you

Starting point is 00:20:20 take a pipe it's perfect if you don't use one and that's it and you may adopt a limp he said now the point is he took on the guise when he went to see bill hamilton at inslaw he took on the guise of a of a public prosecutor from israel what he'd done he had got hold of this real public prosecutor's passport and just simply had his forgers slip Rafi's photograph into the passport. And he came, though he was wanted by U.S. Customs for questioning over other matters to do with intelligence operations against America, Rafi just bowled on through Kennedy Airport. Nobody spotted him.

Starting point is 00:21:02 Nobody says, that looks like Rafi, because he had just nicely disguised himself. And he turned up at Inslaw, and he went in, and he asked to see how this might work, because at the time, Inslaw was telling it, of course, as a piece of software to use by public prosecutors to track down criminals. And Raffi said, there are plenty of these criminals, as you know, in Israel, unfortunately, laughing. He has this funny little laugh, which is not really a laugh. It's like a chilling breeze that goes past you as it comes out of his mouth. And Bill Hamilton and Nancy Burke Hamilton and his small staff were totally taken in by Raffi. And he sat down, he had his tea with them and all that stuff. And only when he left, as Bill told me, did he realize something strange about this guy.

Starting point is 00:21:59 But he didn't know what. Well, Raffi went back, and with a brilliant ploy, he went back to see his contact at the Justice Department because he had facilitated justice to get him into America by simply saying he was coming from the public prosecutor's office in Israel and would like to see the software he'd heard about so he goes back and he goes into the office of a man called Brewster who is in charge of liaison within Slawitz's Hamilton's company and Raffi says so Brewster how did it go that is wonderful variant he said oh my god he said I forgot something and Brewster supplied he what did you forget he said I forgot to ask mr. Hamilton for a copy of his software now Raffi knew instinctively if he'd asked Bill for that copy,

Starting point is 00:22:48 he would never have got it, of course, because Bill wasn't going to part with that priceless software of his. Brewster said, no problem, Mr. the name he'd given as a public prosecutor, no problem. And he gave him a copy, and Rafi said to me, sometimes you don't have to work very hard to pull something off and that's how he got it he goes back to Israel now a Justice Department official just literally

Starting point is 00:23:12 handed to one of the top Mossad agents handed the promised suffering and this of course has become a matter of huge grief for Mrs. Hamilton and Inslaw and as you know they are still battling to the courts to get justice for themselves without any success so far.

Starting point is 00:23:32 But Rafi goes back to Israel, and he recognizes, well, I just can't lift this as it is. I need to do something more than that. And he sits down with that other rogue of the story, who is Ari Ben-Munashi, who had worked for him. And Ari Ben-Munashi had been a very senior intelligence officer who had fallen foul of the Israeli intelligence establishment and was now outside the loop, so to speak.

Starting point is 00:24:02 Well, they sat down, and Rafi sat there and said, what do we need, what do we need? He said, I know what we need. We'll deconstruct this, take it apart, rebuild it, but nobody can ever accuse us of stealing it because it'll look different. So his people took time to do that. They did it, but they then said,

Starting point is 00:24:20 we need something else, Rafi said. We need to know what people are doing with this. And he said, I know what we need, a trapdoor. Now, this trapdoor would not be a trapdoor like we think of a trapdoor falling through. It would be a piece of something inserted in the software, which to this day, people don't know. They've tried to find it. It's amazing. What it does, it's a little device which goes into this piece of software.

Starting point is 00:24:50 And if you take the thing apart, the device just goes gone. And the Israelis said, we can do it, but we shouldn't build a trap door here because it may just may be traced by the CIA who are good at this or the British intelligence who are equally good, traced back to us and then we have a problem. We need to be absolutely undetectable. So Ari Ben-Munashi said, I know a place. And he came to California and he talked to this guy he'd known some years ago

Starting point is 00:25:23 who ran a little company in California, and he persuaded him to build the trapdoor. He gave him $5,000 in cash for it, and the guy said, I know it's no question time, but is this for Mossad? And Harry said to him, as he told me, you're right, it's no question time, and laughed and walked away. Now, they installed the trapdoor. Then they had to test it.

Starting point is 00:25:48 And so they went to another element of the story, a man called Earl Bryan, who's now doing time in the penitentiary for mass fraud and what have you. And Earl Bryan had been very close to President Reagan and had, in fact, worked for him. And actually, Gordon, I worked for a brief period of time for Earl O'Brien. Right. So you know a bit about him. Back in the 80s, yes, I do. I worked for him just before he went to prison.

Starting point is 00:26:15 Right. He owned several television networks. That's right. He owned the Learning Channel. Yep. Oh, he's a clever guy, no question. All the financial news uh channel that later sold to uh cnbc they well that's the man well now what happened he had a at the time he

Starting point is 00:26:32 had a company called hadron and this company was a specialist company so raffi used this company to test out if the trapdoor would work and they ran the test against their neighbor Jordanian intelligence and it did work but both Ari Ben-Munashi and Rafi Aten came to the same conclusion very quickly Earl Bryan for all his brilliance and willingness and all this stuff did not have the resources that they wanted and they said one word Robert said Ben- menashe and and raffi completely said yep maxwell he's the man so maxwell was hauled in and he immediately saw for himself this was a wonderful chance to make money and he wasn't didn't understand software at that stage, but my goodness me, he was on a fast learning curve. And he set off to sell Promise, which was the name of the software.

Starting point is 00:27:33 And the ironic thing is, and the cheeky thing is, that Raffia Tan decided, and this is what really, really does tick off poor old Bill Hamilton, is this. Raffia Tan decided, oh, I'll keep that name, promise. It's such a good name for selling. And so he stole it. He stole the name as well. And he actually sold it as promise. Oh, yeah, it's still sold as promise. Now, he went off around the world.

Starting point is 00:27:58 Maxwell then became not just super spy, but ultra super salesman. He went off around the world and he pulled it off brilliantly gordon briefly explain to our listeners why massad wanted uh uh maxwell to sell this promise software to other government uh agencies around the world he sold it i guess guess, to Canada and European nations. What was Mossad's hidden motive in getting this Promise software into the government computers of other nations? Well, very simply, it gave Mossad an inside track view of what was happening when everybody was using Promise. Sitting in Tel Aviv, Rafia Tan and his technicians would know exactly what was going on

Starting point is 00:28:48 in those departments, in those people using it. For instance, excuse me, for instance, when they were, he saw, and by the way,

Starting point is 00:28:59 Tan didn't just say the government's big, but government's small. For instance, he went to, his first client was Zimbabwe, Robert Mugabe, and he told Mugabe how to use it to track why

Starting point is 00:29:11 farmers may be plotting against him. It's very simple how it works, yet very, very complex. With a piece of paper, once, I'm sure Bill Hamilton has said it much better than me, but with a single piece of paper, you can pretty well track anybody, that person's life, where he's done, his phone calls and so on. It's like a never-widening ripple that goes on and on, and the information is just priceless when it comes back, because

Starting point is 00:29:34 it's all sorted and coded for you and decoded and so on. Or what he was able to do by selling it, for instance, he would go to the Russians and say, you need this to keep track of what your little friends in the Soviet satellites are doing and questions that you're apt to write and Maxwell would demonstrate it and the Russians KGB would have it but what they didn't realize

Starting point is 00:29:58 sitting in Tel Aviv there were people listening to what the KGB were doing it became extraordinary because Maxwell enabled the Israelis, who survived by the simple premise that knowledge is all, and the more knowledge, the more powerful you are. They were able to listen in to the Syrians. Maxwell sold it at cut price lots to the Egyptians.

Starting point is 00:30:19 He sold it everywhere. I have a feeling, Gordon, that this promise, the early version of promise, I have a feeling that it is most likely the foundation for DARPA's new total information awareness data mining program that Poindexter is setting up in the Pentagon. I have no doubt. That's what they're going to do. They're going to track every electronic transaction and communication of every person in the United States. And I just have a good feeling that Promise was the foundation for this super snoop software. It was. And, you know, the ironic thing is this.

Starting point is 00:30:55 Mr. Hansen, the renegade rogue FBI agent, he passed it to his Russian controllers, Soviet controllers, Russian controllers, rather. And he got money for it, of course. And they sold it to bin Laden. And I have just done a not bad piece on this, because today bin Laden has survived, and Hamilton has confirmed this to me as well, because he has a version of promise which enables him to be ahead of us

Starting point is 00:31:37 when we're looking for him. You see, the advantage is with this promise system, you can do the most astonishing things. And this is a terrifying thing. I'm sure Bill Hamilton told you this, how efficient it is. It is reckoned to be within the intelligence world, perhaps the most priceless piece of software ever created. And it's still so valuable today. But Bin Laden has a copy now. Now, Hansen sold it to the BMD, which is German External Intelligence. They only became suspicious something wrong was with it only after 9-11, when they realized that something was happening to their intelligence intercepts.

Starting point is 00:32:23 And they said, we don't't know but we think there's something wrong here and it was of course another version of the trapdoor because after maxwell had sold it everywhere news of the trapdoor leaked in canada when ben manashi who lives in montreal was picked up and questioned about this and his involvement Gordon was the CIA aware of the trapdoor or not initially because they were building their own version promise which they'd also got from justice so this is this one for years with only the Israeli Mossad yeah trapdoor yeah yeah one of the things that's in this book that just really opened my eyes, stunned me was Gordon's revelation of the of the relationship between Robert Maxwell and former Texas U.S.

Starting point is 00:33:14 Senator John Tower, who was at one time probably the most powerful member of the U Senate Gordon but let's talk about John towers involvement how did how did the tower get involved with Robert Maxwell and what did Maxwell use tower to do well originally Israel arranged for Henry Kissinger to facilitate the introduction to tower Maxwell wanted Tower for Israel to be his door opener into the Reagan administration, and more important of all, to be his door opener into the nuclear arsenal of America, which was Los Alamos. Tower at the time, as you know, had just retired from his post as chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee. He knew everybody in the intelligence forces everywhere.

Starting point is 00:34:09 And so Maxwell struck a deal with Tower. He would pay him $200,000 a year plus wonderful bonuses in any currency he wanted at any bank he wanted in the world because Maxwell had banks everywhere. And, in fact, Tower became his door opener. So Israel had a door opener in Maxwell. Maxwell had a door opener in Tower. Tower became the man who would usher in Robert Maxwell in to see Reagan, Attorney General Meese, anybody he wanted. And it was Tower who finally and speedily arranged for Robert Maxwell to sell a doctored version of Promise with the trapdoor to the Sandia Laboratories in Los Alamos. Wait a minute. John Tower, former senator of Texas, enabled, helped Robert Maxwell to sell the promise software with the Israeli Mossad trapdoor to our nuclear laboratory in Los Alamos, which gave the Israelis a window into Los Alamos. Correct. And we substantiate every word of that by the FBI documents we have obtained with the help of Bill Hamilton, and we've obtained elsewhere, which show exactly how the FBI had tried to track this. FBI, found his moves blocked, almost certainly from the White House, almost certainly with

Starting point is 00:35:47 people at the level of Bill Casey of the CIA, Weinberger, and people like that. A lot of people suddenly decided it was not a good idea to have this investigation into how Maxwell had got into Los Alamos. And that's very frightening because, in fact, it was power, his influence, his power still, that blocked off the investigation. Gordon, at that time, was it William Webster who was FBI? William Webster was the head of the FBI. And so Webster, he was on to this scandal, and he was trying to investigate the Israeliraeli mossad penetration of los alamos but high

Starting point is 00:36:26 level reagan white house operatives blocked the fbi investigation that's right and it's to this day it's blocked and it's amazing because to this day you will never get to the bottom of that i mean there's been many attempts and we've come as close as anybody i think in what we've detailed but you know it was extraordinary because he I mean we have actually his pitch speeches Maxwell's pitch speech to Sandia, which is a Marvelous, it's a wonderful piece of theater. He puts himself through and the result is He sells the doctor he sells it and it's in there now What happened was that when the FBI became suspicious of having been alerted by their

Starting point is 00:37:05 fuel stations, they're blocked off, and they can't do anything. And Maxwell got away with that with the help of Tower. Tower was so extraordinary, because Tower gave additional respectability to Maxwell's

Starting point is 00:37:22 kind of cover. Was John Tower aware of the hidden motive of Robert Maxwell? Oh, yeah. There's no question about it. John Tower knew, and John Tower took the Maxwell dollar, if you like, or the Maxwell shilling. So you're saying John Tower, I mean, he was a traitor to the United States of America. You could say that in the simplest way.

Starting point is 00:37:40 He was a traitor in that sense. But this guy was a right-wing Republican US senator from the state of Texas and he sold us down the river. Yep and you know the point is he did it because he was greedy and a drunk. He had a reputation for for you know hard living and drinking that was one reason he I think he you know his nomination was turned down as Secretary of Defense. They you they tried to get him into the defense department yes yes he became next to maxwell a priceless asset for mossad because he would tell max everything max will refuse straight back to tel aviv maxwell took him to bulgaria he took him to central europe he took him everywhere

Starting point is 00:38:22 and so tower all the time was talking because he did have a serious problem with young girls and heavy booze. And Maxwell used all this. And Tower is, to me, as much a traitor as anybody else I've come across in a long time in the history of America. They won't like this, the Republicans. But the fact is he was, and he was very dangerous. And what he's done, we'll never know how much Mossad owe to Tower because it's one of the things we'll never know. But all this, against this background, you see, having achieved these remarkable things, Maxwell,

Starting point is 00:39:03 he thought he was unstoppable. And so when his money problems became ones that banks were no longer prepared to handle, he went to Mossad. He said, I want $400 million right now, U.S. dollars. And they said, look, go to the banks. Do what Rupert Murdoch did. And he said, you don't tell me what to do. I want the money now.

Starting point is 00:39:25 Now, you're talking about at this point when Maxwell started to run out of money. His empire was just $2 billion in debt. He goes to Mossad. He says, I'm broke. I need money. And Mossad needs to come up with the money. That's right. You see, his repayment, his interest was $300 million a year.

Starting point is 00:39:45 You think of that. Just interest payments. He couldn't keep up with them. And he was juggling day and night. And, you know, and he wanted... So Mossad told him, just do what Rupert Murdoch did. Go to your bankers, plead mercy, and ask them to refinance. That's right.

Starting point is 00:40:04 But Maxwell was too arrogant too too proud absolutely right and and so he began to threaten musad he did indeed and you see he's also lost the wise counsel in some ways of tower towers by then dead in a mysterious plane crash now one of the interesting things we discovered in our investigation, how many people around Maxwell who are quite key have all died mysteriously. We have a whole section on that. If anyone wants to read a thriller about how people die mysteriously, have a look at that section. I forgot about John Tower dying in a plane crash.

Starting point is 00:40:39 That's right. Do you have any clues on what happened there? Well, you'll see what Maxwell says. We have the direct transcript of what he says. He says, who knows? It might have been dot, dot, dot. But Maxwell was then worried because we discover from his staff, and by the way, we source over 100 people directly,

Starting point is 00:41:00 so it's not a question of making this up in any sense. It's all there, all on transcript, all on tape and everything else. And he starts to pressurize the one people who can't pressurize Mossad. And the result is they said he has to go. And the last part of the book is a textbook of how you put together the perfect assassination. Basically, Mossad became afraid that a financially desperate Maxwell was going to double-cross them, backstab them, and with his media empire, he was going to begin to expose Mossad activities as extortion against Mossad to get the money. So, Mossad said, we got to put this guy out of business.

Starting point is 00:41:45 We're going to have to, you know, we need to bump this guy off. So tell us, we only have a few minutes here, tell us about this top secret Israeli Mossad assassination team and this elaborate plan to kill Robert Maxwell. Well, first of all, they spent weeks researching. They put together a team. It's called a Kidon unit. Kidon means bayonet, and it isn't a very appropriate team.

Starting point is 00:42:08 It's the only assassination team in any intelligence agency in the world which works full-time only on killing people. And it's still in existence today, and it's killed dozens since Maxwell. But its job in this case was to carry out the perfect assassination that looked like an accident. So they looked at a number of quick ideas they could do. First, could they toss him, break his elevator, and let him fall as he came out of his high-rise apartment? No, there's a risk that he might have other people

Starting point is 00:42:36 in the elevator and kill them. Secondly, could they sabotage one of his aircraft? They could make it look like a crash, like perhaps John Tower had died in a mysterious way, but then there'd be other people on the plane as well. They finally decided the only way to kill him was at sea, as if he'd drowned. And so they studied him physically, they studied him mentally, and they studied everything. And what they did, they put the four-man team together, and they had a drug, a lethal nerve agent, which the team was to inject into his neck. First, they had to get him on deck alone. So they concocted a scheme.

Starting point is 00:43:16 They said to him, all right. They called him up in London and said, look, okay, we said no to your money. Okay, tell you what we do you come to the canary islands in the atlantic on your boat and we'll tell you what to do so and he said do i get the money he says we'll tell you what to do relax so he set sail from gibraltar out to out to sea in the atlantic and he's moved here and there and it's a wonderful piece of example of how Mossad really do plan and plot. And they put an electronic net over the whole area so there could be no, they would know everything, you know, signals coming from the boat to the boat.

Starting point is 00:43:55 They'd know everything. There'd be no mystery for them. And then the four-man team set off in their own boat, and they waited until they got their instructions. Maxwell was then told in what he thought was a call emanating from Tel Aviv. It wasn't. It was coming from one of the backup boats that the Mossad had in the area. And it told Maxwell to be on deck in the early hours of that morning and that he was to wait

Starting point is 00:44:19 there on the port side and used to make sure the deck was empty. And they would hand him his money order. on the port side, and used to make sure the deck was empty, and they would hand him his money order. And they said, you know, now you understand, Robert, when you've got this money, that's it. You don't come anymore, you just understand that, okay? And he was so, he said, absolutely understood, of course, 400 mile, wow, terrific, no problem. Well, it went clockwork smooth,

Starting point is 00:44:44 because they'd rehearsed and rehearsed it. They came alongside, and you have to think of the boat. The boat is a very large boat. It's not a little rowing boat. All the crew were mostly on sleep watch. There was only a minimal crew on the bridge, and they were peering forward anyway. Where Maxwell's total stand was right at the aft, and they came up on the opposite side of the boat.

Starting point is 00:45:09 The boat was traveling. It's a big, powerful boat, and they were able to scramble on board because they, you know, were trained for that. They came on board across the deck, jabbed him in the neck, lowered him into the water, still alive, and then they drowned him as if he'd fallen over the side. Now, all this is in the last hundred or so pages that we deal with. And we would never have been able to prove this and show it if we had not got the original autopsy reports from Spain, from Dr. Ian West, and from Israel. Now, these were given to us by Betty Maxwell, the widow, and Isabel Maxwell, Robert's twin daughter. The other twin, of course, is Ghislaine, from whom the boat was named.

Starting point is 00:45:58 And it was these people who finally decided that time had come, the truth had to be told. And the result was the story we have, the murder of Robert Maxwell. Oh, Gordon, incredible story, incredible work of research. And I appreciate you taking time today to call us from your home in Ireland and tell us this untold story about the murder of Robert Maxwell, Israel's super spy. Thank you for joining us for today's presentation of this classic edition of True News with Gordon Thomas, author of Robert Maxwell, Israel's super spy.

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