TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Rick Talks With Epik’s Robert Monster About Free Speech and Censorship

Episode Date: April 7, 2022

Ratification of the United States Constitution was not an easy feat. Among the patriots who fought for the war of independence from England, there were two groups that fought each other over their competing visions for the new nation. One group was called the Federalists. The other group was the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists wanted a strong federal government with its power vested in Washington DC. The anti-Federalists wanted a weak national government, but strong states that would protect the rights of the people from tyranny. Following the bitter 1787-88 debate over the ratification of the Constitution, the new constitution was amended to win the support of the anti-federalists. The 10 amendments are known as the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights guaranteed the rights of the people, limited governmental power in court proceedings, and clearly said powers not granted to Washington by the Constitution are reserved to the states or the people. In the end, the anti-federalists won the battle, but the federalists eventually won the war. Today the US federal government is out of control. Few people even talk about reducing the power and size of the federal government. The Bill of Right’s first amendment is the cornerstone of the Constitution. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”The words are simple and very clear to understand. Congress shall make no law. What about corporations? Some corporations are bigger than some governments in the world. Who regulates big business? Over the past six years, censorship has become accepted in the USA by millions of Americans who do not like the views and opinions of other citizens. They want governments and corporations to silence their neighbors, relatives, and coworkers. They believe freedom of speech is only for themselves and people who agree with them.How did we get here? How do we resist corporate tyranny?My guest today understands these questions because he deals with the issue of censorship every day. No, he does not censor people. However, there are powerful people and entities demanding that he silence people they don’t like.His name is Robert Monster. He is the CEO of Epik Holdings Inc. Rick Wiles, Airdate 4/7/22.

The following program is made possible by the faithful prayers and financial support of listeners just like you. To find out how you can help, visit nothing but the truth. So help us God. I'm Rick Wiles. Ratification of the United States Constitution was not an easy feat. Among the patriots who fought for the War of Independence from England, there were two groups that fought each other over their competing visions for the new nation. One group was called the Federalists. The other group was the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists wanted a strong federal government with its power vested in Washington, D.C. The Anti-Federalists wanted a weak national government, but strong

states that would protect the rights of the people from tyranny. Following the bitter 1787-88 debate over the ratification of the Constitution, the new Constitution was amended to win the support of the Anti-Federalists who had threatened not to ratify it. The 10 amendments are known as the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights guaranteed the rights of the people, limited governmental power in court proceedings, and clearly said powers not granted to Washington by the Constitution are reserved to the states or the people. In the end, the anti-federalists won the battle, but the federalists eventually won the war. Today, the U.S. federal government is out of control. Few people even talk about reducing

the power and size of the U.S. federal government. The Bill of Rights, First Amendment, is the cornerstone of our Constitution. It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. The words are simple and very clear to understand. Congress shall make no law. But what about corporations? Some corporations today are bigger than some governments in the world. Who regulates big business? Over the past six years, censorship has become accepted in the USA by millions of Americans who do not like the views and opinions of other citizens. They want governments and

corporations to silence their neighbors, relatives, and co-workers. They believe freedom of speech is only for themselves and people who agree with them. How did we get here? How do we resist corporate tyranny? My guest today understands these questions because he deals with the issue of censorship every day. No, he does not censor people. However, there are powerful people and entities demanding that he silence people they don't like. His name is Robert Monster. He is the CEO of Epic Holdings, Inc., and he's on the line with me right now from his office in the state of Washington. Robert, welcome to True News.

Thank you, Rick. Delighted to be with you. Yes, sir. Hey, before we get into this conversation about free speech and censorship, tell our True News audience, what is Epic Holdings? Well, Epic Holdings is really a parent company of a diversified portfolio of technology solutions and providers that are in the business of provisioning resilient digital presence. So when you think about your internet experience as a publisher, you know that there are many different layers in the tech stack. Most people just open up their browser and they open the internet mode properly for whatever site they want to visit.

But there are in fact many different layers in that supply chain that determine whether or not a particular message or media is going to be rendered inside of the browser or received inside of the browser or cheap inside of the mobile app. So Epic is in the business of providing entire tech stack from end to end as a provider across the various elements of the tech stack. So the most well-known would be the registrar. So if you're familiar with, let's say, GoDaddy, what's the alternative to GoDaddy when you care about free speech? Well, that would be Epic.

But there are also hosting providers for which Epic is a parent supplier of a variety of hosting and tech products and also the layer of a so-called SSL certificate. We have end-to-end solutions across that entire stack. Okay, so Epic is a domain registrar. As you mentioned, GoDaddy. Most of us are familiar with GoDaddy. So people can purchase their domains through your company, just like they could through GoDaddy.

You don't have to go through GoDaddy. There are many companies out there. Epic is one of them. You're also a hosting company so once you have a domain and you build a website you have to have somebody to host it so you epic also hosts the websites of people and you have other internet related services so for those of us who have been online for quite some time, and I went on, we built our first website in 1999.

We started streaming in 1999. I tell people we were podcasting before there were pods. We were doing live streaming and MP3 files in 1999. And actually before that, Robert, when I was at TBN, I, in 1995, was instrumental in getting TBN to stream audio. They were one of the first television networks on the Internet to get audio streaming, video streaming. And and I can tell you that in recent years. I have I've learned to read the fine print of service agreements. Myself and True News, we were in the first wave of censorship, of deplatforming, you know, the deplatforming of people.

It's just outright censorship. We were in that first wave several years ago. And we told people, said, hey, they're getting me right now. They're coming for you too. And when that first wave came, Robert, very few people said anything. Few people defended me. Few people fought for true news. Now, it seems like every other person has been deplatformed or censored. Yeah. The sting and the stigma of being deplatformed

is no longer there. And now many people realize, there's a really big problem in this country. There are powerful people and entities that are determined to shut down people they don't like. So now with me setting this up, where do you come into this picture? Well, you know, when the Lord called me into this role in the summer of 2018, it was really a prior project that I had been working on since 2009 called EPIK, E-P-I-K dot com, but it was alongside many other projects.

I'm a venture capitalist. I have other hobbies and interests. And up until that point, it had really been a project that was just one of many. But in the summer of 2018, while cruising in the Mediterranean with my family under a meteor shower, I had absolute clarity that the Lord would need a registrar and was obedient to that prompt. And the idea that this would actually play some kind of significant role in the foreseeable future didn't really dawn on me. It was more like a moment of clarity that this was the thing that I should focus on

and I should set aside all other distractions. And I set about, therefore, doing that, not really anticipating the wave of censorship that would arrive very shortly thereafter. About two and a half months later, of course, Gab was deplatformed unceremoniously by GoDaddy. And I pretty much knew right away that there was something amiss there, that there was a gap in the workflow. You could say, well, there's no such thing as due process in private corporations, and

that is true. But nevertheless, there is a certain element of due diligence and fair handling that I thought was not present. And so I knew immediately that it was appropriate for me to take a close look and see if this particular site could be brought back online and whether, to whatever extent there were complaints about their content practices, that those might be rehabilitated. And that decision came with a whole bunch of other collateral damage because it immediately put us on the list of targets from the radical left that decided that that was not actually something that should be allowed to exist online.

What that therefore set in motion was a growing realization of all the different vulnerabilities that might exist in the supply chain. And so there are about seven or eight primary layers in the technical supply chain that determine whether or not a particular site can actually be functional on the Internet. years we have methodically acquired or developed from the ground up each of the various layers in the tech stack and have thought about it in a very holistic kind of end-to-end capacity. So we think about things like having most of our data centers underground in EMF-shielded facilities behind two-meter-thick walls, located across multiple jurisdictions, with failover redundancy in every aspect of the supply chain, and really looking at it from end to end also from the standpoint of also being conscious at all times of every type of threat, and not the least of which is in fact even spiritual threats, right?

Being aware constantly that God is on the throne and he is sovereign over the entire affair. And so to the extent that we are cognizant of our technical risks, but also of our supply chain risks, of the financial risks, but at the same time conscious of the spiritual vulnerabilities to make sure that we are actually operating in a way that is beyond reproach and really bringing that mindset of personal accountability to every aspect of how we govern ourselves. And I think that's really the price of entry for being able to stand strong in an environment where the line is moving constantly. If you decide to hold your line, then you are going to invite reproach from people who want to move your line.

But if you know where your line is and that line can be defended in the light of day, then I think we have a right to stand. And so we stand. Good. I applaud you for that position. Robert, if anybody searches online for my name, they will find a lot of slanderous, defamatory websites, a lot of ugly stuff that people have written about me. And for a person, people that never meet me, they just assume that's true. So I searched your name on the Internet, and I don't feel so lonely anymore, Robert. They don't like you either. They're writing ugly stuff about you, too.

I feel like I got company now. Why are they coming after you? Well, that's a long story, Rick. But you know what it's like to basically be an arbiter of truth and to boldly go where other media won't go. And what's powerful about your production is the buck stops with you. And so your brand is associated with your ability to discern what is true and to propagate what is true. So there's curation and then there's distribution. And so we're in the same business.

We curate and distribute. We're empowering certain organizations and disempowering certain other organizations. And the ones that are engaged in uncomfortable truths may at times invite the wrath of certain parties who wish to control the narrative in every way. Obviously, I believe that people should have the right to ask questions and seek answers. And the moment that you empower people to paint outside of the box and you empower people to explore inconvenient truths and more importantly connect dots. Many times you have people who, for example, have a deathbed conviction or they have some family archive that had been kept in the family for decades or generations.

And these things come to light at a time when the Internet is working very well. We have video cameras everywhere. We have the ability to be our own open source intelligence organization. And as a result, we have the ability to gather truth and propagate truth quickly enough that it can't be put back in the box. Once there are a few copies of whatever the content is distributed in the far corners of the internet, you can't really eliminate it. All that you can do is slow its spread. And of course, the people who are operating in a capacity of empowering organizations

selectively and holding some level of accountability in that curation process, I think they represent a kind of threat to the establishment. And unfortunately, the mainstream media is greatly complicit in putting a chilling effect on those who would engage in that type of operation. But then in addition, I think they're also in the business of setting an example that those who would choose to go and walk against the prescribed narrative, that they will encounter certain amounts of pain and suffering.

And the great news is, as you know, Rick, the Lord's grace is sufficient and his logistics are perfect, and it all works out. And so, so long as we are obedient and accountable and humble and not falling into the traps of the adversary, I think we get to continue to do the thing that we've been allowed to do. That's good. Now, the leftist news media, you refer to them as mainstream. I don't like using that. I think that's too nice for them, because mainstream implies that they're in the middle of the country and they're moderate.

They're far leftist and they have an agenda. They're very anti-Christian. They're very anti-patriot. So that's okay. I'm fine. They can do that. They can be what they want to be. Just come out, just come out and be yourself. Okay. I'm being myself, but they don't want me to be myself. They say, I don't have a right to be myself, but they have a right to be themselves. Okay. So the media, um, they describe you basically as the go-daddy of white nationalists, neo-Nazis, hate mongers. You're the go-daddy of these horrible organizations and people out there, and something's got to be done about Robert Munster and his company, Epic. They've got to be shut down. How do you respond to these attacks? Well, I mean, first of all, we do have a duty of care from the standpoint

of deciding who we empower and who we don't empower, right? So we stand in the law, first and foremost. And then, secondarily, I think we play an underappreciated role in engaging people who are in the business of producing this type of content and appealing to their higher self, the people who are engaging in overt hate-mongering as in the form of, let's say, genocidal indiscriminate hate, we don't empower those organizations. We don't empower those individuals. We will more likely talk such an individual off the battlefield in a conversation that is not full of judgment. It's actually from a place of love.

And so you can actually be engaged in the business of propagating truth, but you can still do it through a vehicle that doesn't necessarily cause people to participate in mutually assured destruction, right? What the adversary wants to accomplish is to create a polarity, to maximize polarity, to cause people to essentially retreat to one pole or the other pole and then rub them up against each other in such a way that another party can be the, let's say, the healer, right? But the reality is that the people can heal themselves, right? The people can actually engage in finding common ground because at the end of the day, nobody

likes to be lied to, right? They may not realize that they've been lied to, but once they realize that they've been lied to, it's kind of a red pill moment when people realize that maybe there is another side of the story that maybe they didn't understand or fully appreciate. And now the person who was yesterday's conspiracy theorist is another person's fresh perspective. So the people who critique us for being engaged in some type of nefarious act, I think there are two aspects. One, of course, they were fearful that we would empower too much truth of the wrong kind. That's fine.

But I think there's a second aspect, which is this notion of creating a boogeyman. And in past times, there were other boogeymen that have existed. David Duke would be an example of a guy trotted out as being a real boogeyman. And I don't condone his position about many topics, but the point is that they trotted him out as a boogeyman and discarded everything that he had to say. And so when I at one point in a media interview made a comment along those same lines, it was taken out of context and presented as if I'm a David Duke acolyte. And so I think this aspect of, I don't know, maybe the last name Monster, you know, played into the narrative of let's

find a guy from the free speech internet world and let's portray that guy as being a menace to society in order to be able to create a case for taking away liberty from humanity. Yes. And in the end, they greatly overplayed their hand, both because free speech has been vindicated time after time after time, but also because Rob Monster and Epic have actually been proven as being engaged in a constructive act that in the end is preventing a lot of the conflict and mayhem that supposedly were intended to be fearful of. So for example, the number of, you know, terrorist events in this country. There have not been other follow-up incidents involving, for example, the GAB community

that we restored since the one that happened prior to our involvement. That doesn't mean they couldn't happen again, but the point is that the practice of allowing free speech to occur in the light as opposed to in the dark web, where it can't be surveilled, can't be used, for example, to prosecute people who are breaking the law, the overwhelming evidence is that the world is better off when you allow open conversation with a bit of debate rather than having everybody retreat to their distant and polarized filter bubbles or, worse, disappear into the dark web where these people can actually be weaponized for the purposes of actually being used in a manner that would be not even for their

well-being, right? There are people who are basically being mobilized and weaponized, sometimes in a manipulative way, of the most nefarious sort, to turn these people who retreated to the dark web and turn them into the menace to society that people most fear. But the people that are engaging on the public web, I don't think that there's a very strong case to say that free speech has failed humanity. I think so far it's working rather well.

Robert, for me, I started to discern the weaponization of political thought and speech. I think it started to come in during the Obama years. And President Obama was a very shrewd political operative, and he drew sharp lines, and he went after his critics. And I mean, remember, one of the first acts of censorship in the Obama years was the rodeo clown, who was driven out of the rodeo industry because he wore an Obama mask. I mean, he could have worn a George W. Bush mask. He probably did. Probably wore a Jimmy Carter mask. But because he wore an Obama mask, the Obamaites went after him and the man was driven out of the rodeo industry. He's just a clown, a rodeo clown. They destroyed the man's career

because he put a mask on. That was the first sign in the Obama years, we're going to have problems. Nobody can criticize this guy. And so they weaponized speech. Then President Trump came into office, and he's a very combative man and he doesn't take any you know what from anybody so he was dishing it back at him

you know they threw it at him he threw it back I was his style so then the right became combative and and weaponized and then the left became more weaponized and combative than the right. And this is going back and forth and getting worse and worse and worse. And we've lost not just the concept of free speech, but we've lost the knowledge of civil conversation. You and I are both of an age that we remember.

We remembered America where your friends, your neighbors, your coworkers, people in your community, you had different views. You voted for different candidates. You belong to different parties. But you went to the same little league games with your kids. You went to the county picnics. You were at the parades with them. You were all friends. You were friends. You could go to political rallies of competing candidates and yet meet up later for dinner. And there was never any hatred, argument. We were all one. We were one community, one family. Where did that go in this country? Nobody wants to talk to each other anymore. But I think that what we're seeing is really an acceleration of divide and rule,

right? So divide and rule as a practice has been around for a very long time, and it's as effective now as it was before. But now we have the overlay of being able to use technology like AI and algorithms to be able to actually create filter bubbles and to rub them up against each other. So they have completely different worldviews about any given topic. You pick your topic of the hour and there is a group that is absolutely sure they're right about this answer and another group that is absolutely sure they're right about this answer. And this idea of controlled opposition and manufactured consensus among subsets of populations with the express objective of manipulating people toward hating each other has been elevated

to the level of very fine art. And it transcends every aspect of our lives, right? We have on the one hand, you mentioned Little League. Now, of course, Little League teams are up in arms about trying to compete with one another as opposed to let's just have a fun game and teach these boys or girls about how to play fair and to be great athletes. The end result is about winning and being right. And so necessarily we have that now playing out in the form of you must agree about gender as a spectrum, or you must agree about different aspects related to what you might characterize

as medical tyranny, or you must agree that Zelensky bad and Zelensky good and Putin bad, and never mind the possibility that they might actually both be two sides of the same coin, that you could in fact have a scenario where you would control two sides of a war. It wouldn't be new. History shows that there have been parties that have controlled both sides of both wars for decades, for centuries. This would be nothing new. So I think what's happening is that people are being deliberately manipulated into expending vast amounts of energy by essentially being each other's enemy.

And the idea that this type of orchestration can occur is well known from the long history of color revolutions that have been perpetrated on societies in other cultures, in other countries, at other times. But as you well know, I think Smith-Montt Modernization Act of 2013 made it legal to perform psychological operations on U.S. citizens by the U.S. agencies that are capable and have perfected their methodologies over an extended period of time, right? It would have made Bernays blush.

It would probably cause globals to wince what has been developed in terms of the fine art of advanced propaganda. And so we should be cognizant of the fact that all the world's at stake. Shakespeare, whom you might have known as Sir Francis Bacon, said it well. He wasn't kidding. I'm in agreement with you. Robert, I got this theory I've been thinking about in the last couple days. We may see the 2020s in America be a decade of conservatism. And I know that flies in the face of everything that's happening, but you just said something that is the basis of why I believe this.

The powers at the top of this country, I believe that they're guiding us like they get horses, that reins on the horses, okay? It's right and left, right and left, okay? And I think they're about to pull the reins back on the left and let the right get ahead. And for the next decade, the right will think they're winning. Right. And the right will get lazy and complacent and

then they'll pull the reins on the right and they'll let the left get ahead in the 2030s and then we'll go and it's like we're going back and forth back and forth but i really think that's that's what is about to happen that the 2022 elections going to usher in a sweeping Republican majority in the House and Senate, the governorships. The 2024 presidential election will be Republican. And we're going to go through the 2020s with Republicans in power, conservatives in power. And those on the right are going to be made to believe they are winning. Now, if that's the case, then you take advantage of it. You get as much done as you can during that time. And for me as a Christian, as a minister of the gospel, it's like get as much

done for the kingdom as you can while the sun is shining because the clouds will come again. Do you have any thoughts about that? Is that unrealistic or are we so deep into this leftist paradigm that we can't get out of it? No, I'm an optimist. I would characterize myself as an incurable optimist. I have the absolute confidence that God is on the throne. I have the absolute confidence that Romans 8.28 is always in effect. All things work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to

his purpose. And if God is for us, who can be against us? And so I think this idea that the kingdom is reorganizing in a way that the kingdom has not organized, really, since Acts 2, Acts 4. You know, we have lost the capacity to organize. We've been also substantially divided through the method of denominations and institutional churches, sometimes run by people who would have just as soon done well in Hollywood. And so you have a phenomena unfolding where the church, as we know it, the ecclesia, is hyper-fragment. We actually are living in a time when the church is scattering,

and people are finding genuine fellowship in increasingly small groups that are connected in real time, often across borders, across time zones, in part exacerbated by the COVID phenomena. So COVID, in theory, should have killed the church, but in fact, it made it stronger because what has happened is, in fact, people have gone about finding fellowship in other ways. And so from a kingdom perspective, Rick, since you raised that topic, I'll mention a few things that we're working on that fall outside of the kind of core scope of what you think of when you think of, say, Epic as a registrar, host, and market maker of domain names and

all of this. We have a project, for example, called Kingdom Nation. It is an ecclesiastical principality, similar to the Vatican of 1929, that seeks sovereignty through a network of what we refer to as intentional kingdom communities that are operating according to a shared code of governance. And people might find that idea to be far-fetched, but the reality is that there is a time and a place when the nation of the kingdom might deserve to exist on this plane, right? So where you would actually have the ability for the body of Christ to be able to live sovereignly, both in terms of equal but also in terms of assets and material means of production, the ability to be safe in their person,

where they can't be extradited because of the fact that they might engage in saying something like Jesus Christ is Lord. Somebody might say, well, that's hate speech. Well, yeah, it is in your country, but it's not here on our country, which is now sovereign in the Lord. And so, outshoots of that include Kingdom Ventures. I lead a project that is looking at mobilizing materiel for the advancement of 10,000 kingdom entrepreneurs over the next three years. You know, if God was going to build a venture capital firm, what would it look like? So Kingdom Ventures is our effort in that realm.

So we're looking kind of methodically from the standpoint of how can we use software as an organizing framework to empower people in the kingdom to be able to fulfill their calling and work with people who are similarly called. And I think the possibilities there are quite endless. And I'll give you one illustration of what this might look like. So we empowered a project in the fall of 2021, a few months back, called Orphans.com. I was looking at the problem of the orphan economy. The UN says there are 153 million orphans in the world. Who's doing something to empower these orphans to grow up and become kingdom kids? And so we looked at it from the standpoint of financial resource mobilization, but also

vocational development and spiritual development, and said, okay, let's create a software that will allow vetted orphanages to be able to more effectively deliver value, both for the benefit of the orphan, but also for the benefit of the sponsoring fathers to the fatherless, mothers to the motherless. The software as an organizing framework has profound implications for any problem that the kingdom could identify in terms of being able to develop the means by which various parties or various stakeholders in a particular economy can co-labor to solve a problem that would otherwise be difficult to solve you and i think

a lot alike these are the kind of conversations that we have here in our offices. There is going to be a major transformation of kingdom work in the 2020s. It's underway. And when I talk to people like you, it's confirmation that the things that we're working on are from the Lord and that his hand is on it. And it's part of the next wave that the Holy Spirit is bringing to the world some years ago I can tell you when it

was it was it was the the week of January 2010 the week that the Haitian earthquake hit and but I was on a fast that week and I wrote down in my prayer journal the things that I believe the Holy Spirit told me. And at that time, one of the things I wrote down was the Holy Spirit said, there's coming a day that being a minister of the gospel will be a very dangerous and difficult thing. And these were instructions to me. You will, at some point, you will have to go back into business.

I'm talking to me personally. You will have to go back into business because it will be difficult to operate as a pastor, a church evangelist, a missionary. And so this has been on my mind for quite some time. as a pastor, a church evangelist, a missionary. And so this has been on my mind for quite some time and we've been moving in that direction. But I never thought, Robert, I never thought when the Holy Spirit said that to me, that when he said, it will be dangerous and difficult

to be a minister of the gospel, I didn't think he meant the United States of America. I thought he meant the rest of the world. We're America. How could it be dangerous in America? But look how much has changed in 12 years. So I think there are people watching us right now who have a kingdom calling on them,

and they've been wondering, is this from God? Is this the Lord calling me into this new work? And I would tell you to take it very seriously that Almighty God is indeed repositioning men and women into business to take the flag of Christ's kingdom and plant it in business and stake out territory and dominate it, control it, occupy it. Often, Robert, when I ask, when I'm in prayer and I'm asking the Lord about something, an opportunity will come to me. We got to do something.

I have to make a decision and I'll pray about it. Often he leads me to the scripture where jesus said to his disciples engage in business until i come yeah engage in business until i come we're about the father's business and his father's business includes business right all right yeah, Jesus was a marketplace minister. You look at, actually, where all he operated, he spent more time ministering in the marketplace than he did in the synagogue. And so the idea that says that we should be, you know, church on Sunday and basically speaking

to the converted is not really that sensible. The idea that the people who have competency, whether, you know, Jesus, of course, was a carpenter, Paul was a tentmaker, Luke was a physician, they had day jobs. And this idea that says that we have to kind of rely on a full-time ministry profession to be the authors and finishers of our understanding and maturity as citizens in the kingdom. That's nonsense. We have a direct personal responsibility for the relationship that we have with the Lord and have the ability, therefore, to grow in grace.

And this whole idea of kind of the journey of sanctification that I think is part and parcel to the aspect of finding one's calling. I think if the Lord calls you, he supplies you. But part of what is going on there is this ongoing dynamic of being tested and tried and refined and being able to basically see the evidence of God's providence, which is very much in operation. A lot of people that I come into contact, people who are entrepreneurs who claim Christ, they will take an attitude that says, well, when the Lord gives me this, then I'll do that.

And to which I say, well, so in faith, right? Take the first step and see if the Lord meets you at the second step. And I believe that if it is from the Lord, you'll usually get a confirmation. I'll give you an example. It's a little bit silly, but I'll share it anyway. As I was conceiving this plan for kingdom entrepreneurs, or rather kingdom ventures to empower kingdom entrepreneurs, the number that I was getting in my spirit was that we would actually empower 10,000 kingdom entrepreneurs in the next three years. And I thought, well, that's an interesting number. I don't understand, that's an interesting number.

I don't understand why that particular number. And then lo and behold, the very next day in Scripture to come across a verse that the King James translator, which is my preferred translation, though I don't think you're limited to that, translated the word myrios in the Greek, M-Y-R-O-S, M-Y-R-I-O-S, as 10,000. But the actual meaning of it is innumerable. But for whatever reason, the King James translators decided to use the number 10,000. And so in looking for the confirmation as to whether or not the number was in fact the number that was sent, to be able to see the evidence of a confirmation that was really implausible as to why the translators would have chosen 10,000 as being the kind of the benchmark

for what was actually innumerable. So I'm really encouraged that there are people who are kingdom-minded, are asserting themselves in the marketplace, building enterprises, and in the process of building enterprises, they're building cultures, right? So the idea that the CEO or executive team of an organization that is employing tens, hundreds, or thousands can be declarative of their faith from a position of love, not judgment, and to empower people and to be an intercessor from a prayer perspective, that they might see the evidence of a person who is bearing fruit. And I think that's really the beauty of what I see unfolding as a new generation of kingdom-minded enterprises

begins to kind of assert itself on the stage. And we've seen some examples of organizations that have done a little bit of that, right? Chick-fil-A, Hobby Lobby, right? There are some examples that people point to. But I think we're going to see a new wave of that as enterprise becomes more hyper-fragmented and becomes more decentralized, right? You're going to see a lot more of that. Okay, you mentioned a few minutes ago you said the hope the possibility that we could see christians have a

state of sovereign independence i don't know how that's done apart from controlling physical land. But when you were talking about it, my first thought was the metaverse. I could see independent nations arising in the metaverse. We may see physical nations disappear. And citizenship will be transferred to virtual nations. Is that in your thinking? Well, it's funny that you mentioned it because I wasn't going to go there, but since you were led there, I'll comment about it. So, the concept of Kingdom Nation, it actually started out as a metaverse project. We call it the life verse because meta in Hebrew means death. And so, we came up with the idea of life verse, and as a Christian you can appreciate the double meaning of the word life verse. And so the idea with Kingdom Nation is that it is both a physical domicile by virtue of

having a collection of lands, what we refer to as intentional kingdom communities, akin to like the way embassies and international airports work. Those lands are actually deeded as sovereign lands. They are actually not the territory of the host country that surrounds it. They are, in fact, sovereign. And there's the whole topic of how do you basically ingress and egress so you can transport people between IKCs, intentional kingdom communities, and we think a lot about that type of topic.

But on top of that is the issue of how do you communicate, how do you actually have fellowship with one another, and the mechanism of being able to create essentially a virtual world based on the same construct as what you see going on with Meta, but proprietary technology built on an end-to-end proprietary tech stack. We are building exactly that. And that project is known as the Lifeverse. It has a dedicated engineering team that is moving at Godspeed to be able to advance that particular scenario you've just described. And in addition, the development of a proprietary web browser that actually allows 2D access to that virtual world

in addition to the conventional VR goggle that many of us have experimented with. Robert, are you familiar with, and I'm assuming you are, are you studying Web 3.0? Right. So Web 3.0 is a big theme for us. Part of that is being done in the form of this project called Lifeverse. But in addition, last year we acquired a licensed crypto exchange domiciled in Ireland known as Amplify, Amplify.io, which we are in the process of retooling and upgrading to a significant degree. And then in addition, we've incubated a project called Fraction, F-R-A-K-T-I-O-N.com, which

is currently in a beta. But it will allow you to take an asset and turn it into an NFT. Most of the NFTs that are being developed out there are artwork and images that have relatively low utility. But imagine being able to take an NFT of a patent, an NFT of a field of timber, NFT of beef cattle that are grazing in a pasture, and the possibility of allowing people to actually own an asset explicitly or even own it fractionally for the purposes of being able to eliminate what you currently have in the banking regime, which is hypothecation and hyperhypothecation, where the same given asset has been pledged many times over.

The house of cards known as hypothecation comes crashing down when the assets become sovereign. And so the aspect of being able to take an asset and turn it into an asset that can be discreetly and exclusively owned by a known set of parties with a clear chain of title takes away a lot of the gas that is currently feeding a competing fire, which is basically financial counterfeiting by another name, right? When you actually hypothecate and rehypothecate and create derivatives on top of hypothecated assets, you know, you're basically in the realm of funny money. And so the idea of restoring sound money through the mechanism of digital NFT assets is its

own kind of breakthrough. And one of the aspects that we're looking at very carefully in the context of the Kingdom Nation project is an asset-backed currency, a central bank digital currency backed by hard assets. And you'll be amused to know, I think, that the name that we used for this currency is a Kingdom Nation denarii, denarii, of course, being traditionally one-tenth of an ounce of silver. And so you could actually correlate value of an underlying digital coin

to a known and predictable value or asset. But the funny part, of course, when you tell somebody you're paying them in KND, you're paying them in kind. So we pronounce KND kind. That's right. I am an enthusiastic supporter and advocate of digital, of cryptocurrency, blockchain, Web 3.0. I know members of my audience, they're just totally against all of it. Because they'll say, well, don't you know what bad things can be done with that? Well, yeah, hammers can be used two ways. People can, you can build a house with it or you can beat somebody up with a hammer.

It's a hammer, it's a tool, okay? So I don't oppose and fear technologies because they could be used wrongly. All technologies are used wrongly by Satan at some point. But I'm very excited about cryptocurrency and blockchain and 3.0. I'm not excited about CBDCs. That's different. I think the central banks are going to make a move to try to outlaw cryptocurrencies, but I think it's too late for them to do it. But you said something a few minutes ago, and I think it may have gone past a lot of our viewers.

You said, if I heard you correctly, you mentioned cattle. Were you implying that a lot of people could own a cow, own a herd of cattle with NFTs, with digital coins. They could actually have ownership of an asset. Yeah. Okay. That's what you were saying? Yeah. So I'll unpack that in two parts.

First, the topic of the central bank digital currency. What I was referring to was a central bank specifically for Kingdom Nation. So if you look at the news that is happening, say, from Switzerland, Switzerland has kind of abdicated its traditional role of neutrality, right? It has basically moved toward, you know, kind of a European Union affinity, and a lot of the bank privacy that was traditionally in place seems to be going out the window. And so the idea that there would be a sovereign nation capable of issuing a central bank digital

currency that was built on sound money with an understanding of kingdom-minded governance, right? In other words, the biggest challenge that exists today in the world of blockchain and DeFi, decentralized finance, is the issue of who do you trust. And one of the real challenges that exists in a trustless economy is how do you resolve a dispute? You bought something, you paid with a crypto. Item didn't arrive, item was defective. Item was encumbered, right, legally encumbered. But you paid for it with a crypto, right? How do you resolve that, right?

What's the mechanism of dispute resolution? Very, very complicated. And so the idea that you could have a central bank digital currency that was based on sound money that also was overlaid with a code of conduct that was applicable to all of the people who participated in it is kind of clever. So things like dispute resolution are part of the code of conduct as it relates to being a party-twin transaction involving Kingdom Nation denarii as a method of settlement. Now separate from that, you raised the topic around specifically beef cattle. What was the origin of that project? So we actually began looking quite holistically at the problem of the beef cattle economy.

And specifically, we were looking at this issue from the standpoint of... Oh, God. I lost you there for a second. So coming back to the beef economy, so you mentioned the topic of beef cattle and the idea of creating a blockchain for beef cattle and settlement contracts. So we were approached by the owner of the domain, right, b-e-e-f.com,

and we began looking at the state of the beef economy and the fact that the industry is dominated by four major processors that determine whether or not a head of cattle is going to be processed. In other words, it's become a monopoly with the price being fixed by a finite number of potential participants on the buying side. So the price of beef comes up with the retail store, but the farmer gets as little or less as they before, and the cost of forage is going to the. So we said, all right, what would happen if you created a model where you could take any

beef cattle, any herd, and turn them into an contract where it could be brought in the one but number two at the overlay of what I refer to as micro ranching so you have people who have chickens right well how much harder is it to raise beef cattle then to raise chicks not that much harder and maybe even hard right because it's a grazing animal, at a certain point in time, it goes and gets basically butchered. So the idea that you actually have the ability to allow people to buy and sell calves, young cattle that have been raised on a regimen where they're actually very forage efficient. There's a particular rancher in Wyoming that has a particular variety that is consuming about 40% less

forage than a traditional beef cattle and produces lean beef. And so the idea that allows people to become micro ranchers take delivery of the calf and then raise it to to maturity and then have it processed at the butcher right so the idea that we've done at scale through a shared economy belief.com is an example right the idea that you could actually reinvent economies by using software and organizing framework it's fascinating where we're going in a world so mean, it's like real estate. Blockchain is going to eliminate the need for lawyers, real estate agents, banks. You know, you won't need a bank to do a mortgage. You won't need a lawyer for the closing. You won't need a real estate agent to sell the property.

You won't need a title company. Eliminates all of those industries. And just in real estate, you could have like, you know, presently with real estate, let's say a particular building, you could own it wholly yourself, 100%, or you and I could go together as partners and own 50% of a building. But we're entering a day when a building, a piece of real estate land could be owned by everybody who possesses a digital coin or NFT. There could be 100,000 coins that own a piece of real estate. And you could be trading and selling your shares, your stake in real estate. It's just moving coins around.

And the deed is registered on the blockchain. There's no point to go to the courthouse now. The courthouse becomes, the clerk of the court's office becomes blockchain. That's where we're going. And some people say, I don't want that. Look, we're headed that way. We're so deep into it now. You're not going to stop this lot of transactions done in virtual reality, in metaverse. And that's hard for me to comprehend. I don't know how can I own real estate in something that's not real. But it's going to happen anyhow, whether you and I understand it, it's already happening. I'm just trying to share with our audience, there's going to be a complete rewrite, a revision, a revolution in the financial industry.

It's called FinTech. And, you know, I try to follow the industry as close as I can. And it's exciting and it's almost overwhelming, but I see that my grandchildren will never know the financial world you and I know. It will not even exist. They will not see any of it. By the time they grow up and become adults this present financial system

will be gone they'll be living in a new world robert i want to thank you for being here today my guest mr robert monster he is the ceo of epic holding, and he's doing an awesome, outstanding job standing for freedom of speech and liberty and fighting censorship. And so if you have a domain, you might want to move it over to Epic. If you have a website that hosts, you might want to move it to one of his companies. It's refreshing. It's encouraging, Robert, to know that God has raised up your company. And that means the Lord is raising up other companies to stand in the gap and provide. I'm not interested in fighting anybody on the left. I just want them to leave me alone. Okay. I'm not out to hurt them. Go do whatever you want to do. Say whatever you want to say.

Leave me alone. That's all I want. Just leave me alone. And I am grateful that God has raised up your company to say, Rick, you're welcome to move your business over to Epic. You don't have to worry about us censoring you. You're not going to wake up some morning and find all your videos are gone.

Your entire operation was deplatformed during the night while you slept. That is very encouraging to know that there's a businessman like you out there doing business today. I really applaud you. Thank you so much, Robert. To God be the glory. It's really been a journey. What I have concluded from this entire journey is that you can walk through the fire and it doesn't burn. And so a lot of people who actually experience that, I know you have, God's logistics become perfect and you can accomplish

greater things than you can ever imagine. So don't be daunted. Stay encouraged. That's right. And you can be deplatformed and continue to thrive and prosper. The deplatforming did nothing except make us stronger. We got more blessings. More people came to us. It hasn't hurt us. Robert, the slander, the defamatory attacks, everything that's come against me, what it's done to me personally is it has taught me to suffer with Christ, to enter into the communion of suffering with Christ and to forgive and love my enemies. And so I'm a better man today because i was deplatformed i was lied about it's made me

a better person it wasn't easy it it wasn't and it wasn't enjoyable i'll tell you it wasn't enjoyable but i'm closer to christ now than i was before i was the platform. So to all my enemies, I love you. Thank you so much for all the good things you do for me. They do you a favor. It's never fun. But once you realize that God is sovereign over the evil and the good and that everything is working in order to refine you and God chastens those he loves

and you really understand what those verses mean and apply them in your walk, you become invincible, but so long as you stay humble. That's right. All right. Salute you, Robert. Thank you for being here today. God bless. Great. God bless you. All right. One closing word. Doc Burkhardt is not here today, and that is because Doc's father passed away. Doc has flown home to his home state of Missouri to attend his father's funeral. So please remember Doc and the whole Burkhart family as they attend the funeral and take care of the things that happen after a loved one passes away.

I know you care about Doc, and you'll be praying for him. He'll be back here next week. That's it for today. God bless. I know you care about Doc and you'll be praying for him. He'll be back here next week. That's it for today. God bless. I'll see you tomorrow. The preceding program was made possible by the faithful prayers and financial support of listeners just like you. To find out how you can help, visit www.truenews.com.