TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Rick Wiles Talks with Dr. Robert Malone

Episode Date: September 20, 2023

Many things were introduced to the public during the Coronavirus Pandemic of 2020-2021. Mask mandates, lockdowns, social distancing, contact tracing, and vaccine passports were things most people in the world had never experienced or even heard mentioned before the pandemic. In my opinion, however, the most revolutionary thing that was introduced to the human population on Planet Earth was Messenger-RNA operating systems injected into hundreds of millions of human beings. The mRNA vaccines were not traditional vaccines. Revolutionary patented mRNA platforms were developed with CRISPR – gene editing technology. One of the scientific pioneers in mRNA gene editing technology is Dr. Robert Malone. He is an internationally recognized scientist, physician, author, and political commentator. Dr. Malone is the original inventor of mRNA vaccination and DNA vaccination as technology platforms. He holds numerous patents in the USA and internationally. He is the president of the Malone Institute which is dedicated to restoring integrity to biological sciences and medicine. His Substack blog has over 300,000 subscribers. And he is the author of the book, “Lies My Government Told Me.”Rick Wiles, Doc Burkhart. Airdate 9/20/23Show guest: Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of the MRNA vaccine. You can partner with us by visiting https://www.TruNews.com/donate,calling 1-800-576-2116, or by mail at PO Box 690069 Vero Beach, FL 32969.Now is the time to protect your assets with physical gold & silver. Contact Genesis Gold Today!https://www.TruNewsGold.comGet high-quality emergency preparedness food today from American Reserves!https://www.AmericanReserves.comIt’s the Final Day! The day Jesus Christ bursts into our dimension of time, space, and matter. Now available in eBook and audio formats! Order Final Day from Amazon today! https://www.amazon.com/Final-Day-Characteristics-Second-Coming/dp/0578260816/Apple users, you can download the audio version on Apple Books! https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/final-day-10-characteristics-of-the-second-coming/id1687129858Purchase the 4-part DVD set or start streaming Sacrificing Liberty today. https://www.sacrificingliberty.com/watchThe Fauci Elf is a hilarious gift guaranteed to make your friends laugh! Order yours today! https://tru.news/faucielf

This is true news, the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help us God. I'm Rick Wiles. We are doing a, this is kind of an emergency broadcast here today, Doc. Yes. So let me explain what's taking place. When Doc Burkhardt arrived at our church this morning, there was no electrical power. That's because we had some storms that passed through the area last night.

And the power went down here at the church, and it had not been restored. So it has been a major technical challenge for us all morning, and our great crew has managed to put this together. And right now, as we speak, Florida Power and Light crew are on the church property restoring electricity, a power line that runs through our property and then goes across the back side of the property into a woods, a wooded area, and it goes beyond down to another community, but it has to go through that wooded area. That power line went down last night.

And so our electrical power was off here today. And, you know, it's impossible to do a two-hour program without electricity. As we've discovered here. Yeah, yeah. Hey, now, you know what? This would be an excellent time to talk about American reserves. Absolutely. Because when you least expect to be without power or without food or without water or whatever it is, when you least expect it is when it's going to happen. So yesterday we didn't expect to have no power, but

fortunately, fortunately, I pre-recorded an interview yesterday and I went way over the time that I originally allotted for the interview. And I'm going to tell you here in just a moment about that interview, and I believe that interview is the reason the power is off today. Now, I'm not talking about some kind of conspiracy theory. I'm not saying somebody came out here and took the power line down. But someone didn't want this message out. That someone is named Satan.

That's who. Somebody named Satan did not want this program to go out today. We have been fighting all day to make this happen, and we've had to do workarounds, very creative workarounds to get this program together. But again, I want to talk about American Reserves. This is the company that is sponsoring today's program, along with Genesis Gold Group. But American Reserves has a very substantial inventory

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You can go to AmericanReserves.com and they have very competitive prices and great quality food. So check it out. You never know when you're going to be without electricity. You never know when something's going to go down. There could be a cyber attack. We don't know what could happen in the days and months ahead. We're in very unstable times, very perilous times. So let me talk about what happened with this program. I, yesterday, pre-recorded an interview for today. And the guest is Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine, the vaccine technology. He's the inventor of the technology.

He knows more about it than anybody else on the planet. That's right. He's the man who invented the messenger RNA vaccine technology. He knows more about it than anybody else on the planet. He's the man who invented the messenger RNA vaccine technology. And, you know, two years ago, we interviewed him at the height of the pandemic. And we sent a production crew to his home in Virginia. And, you know, at that time, he was just, just barely stepping out to make some comments about the COVID pandemic and the lockdowns and the mask mandates, but he was still very, very pro. I'm just going to say for him, I hope I don't offend him. He's a wonderful man. I think two years ago, he, you know, you could accurately say he was still pro-U.S. government, still pro-pharmaceutical industry.

But he was starting to question some things. That's not where he's at today. No, not at all. Doc, the more – it was supposed to be a 20-minute interview. And it went to about 45 to 50 minutes. If I knew at the beginning of that interview what he was going to say in the last part of the interview, I would have started with the topics at the end. I had no idea he was going to go there. Go where?

He openly talked about the Wuhan laboratory. He talked about the involvement of intelligence agencies, military defense agencies. He talked about population reduction. And the thing that really surprised me and pleased me is that he quoted scripture. And then we began talking about the evil nature of this COVID pandemic and its accompanying vaccines and the lockdowns and the propaganda. And he said he no longer believes anything Washington says. This interview is powerful. It is a powerful interview. And I'm telling you right now, Satan does not want this interview to go out. And the way that we're working around this, because, okay, obviously you're going to see this live at 12 noon Eastern time on multiple platforms, and you're going to hear it live on WWCR International Shortwave Radio.

But we have pre-recorded it, even this segment, because we had to find a workaround to make this happen. So we have emergency lights on right now in my office. This is my office. These are my books. This isn't a prop. That is my knife in the back. This is a real place. And we're operating out of this room because we're moving. Yes. We're moving to a new location. We have sold the church and we're moving to a new location. And so we're improvising. So we have emergency lighting on right now, emergency supply of electricity.

And the way this came about is that last fall, I loaned a personal generator to one of our employees who did not have a generator right and there was a hurricane coming in and I I was asking all the employees are you do you have everything that you need I wanted to make sure everybody was taken care of and one of our employees said I don't have a generator and he has children and I said look, I have a generator at my house. I have a Generac that runs my whole house. I have a whole house power system, but I had a portable generator. From previous residents. Yes. But I had never used it. I mean, it was still in the same box sealed. I had it for many years. It was just sitting there. I said, come down to my house tonight and get the generator. And, uh, you know, it'll get you

through the hurricane. And you know, when you're done with it, bring it back. So he ended up not using it. And so he didn't use it and he brought it back and he told me, Hey, Rick, I brought the generator here. You want me to take it to your house? I said, no, just leave it here at the church. I'll take it home. I forgot about it. Right. That was a long time ago.

I forgot about it. It must have been a long time ago because I know just about every inch of this facility. I didn't know that there was a generator here. So you guys discovered it this morning. Yes. In the dark. I don't know how you found it in the dark. No lights in the building building but you found my generator

conversation boy if we only had a generator and uh our and then you you tripped over and fell down on the on the floor right so you found a generator yes so we have it we have it running it's it's enough to keep the lights on uh we have enough power to transmit the program to all the platforms through our server and over to WWCR. It's a miracle. The interview that I recorded yesterday, we didn't even have access to the interview because it was on our server. Right. And we back up our server every night unfortunately the power was down all night and so it wasn't backed up to our secondary location right and so we were faced with the challenge well how do we get access to this and we ended up you know plugging in the

server to the generator and you got access to the malone interview. That's right. And so, folks, I have to give it to our crew here. We were presented with an incredible challenge. And with prayer and faithfulness of our crew here, they pulled it off. They really did. They deserve a big, giant attaboy. We have a great team. I love our team. And they figured it out.

And, you know, Doc, most of them have never worked in a television station or a radio station. They've never encountered anything like that. You and I are the old veterans of broadcasting. These guys, they've never worked in a television station or a radio station. They don't know what you have to do. So they improvised. They came up with a plan and they made it work. They were running cables and lines and hooking up generators and pulling servers out of racks. I mean, they were doing everything, Rick, but they were determined to make it work and they made it

work. You're watching it. They made it work. That's right. The fact that you are watching it or listening to it is proof that it worked and it worked on time. We are believing in the name of Jesus, the Florida Power and Light Company will restore our power here today. They're outside working right now. The trucks are on, they were on the property. When I came in, Doc, they were, I saw some trucks outside of the property along the main street here, but they had been on the property. We, I went on morning manna from my house today. I stayed home. Doc called me and said, Hey, don't come, don't come up to the church. There's no power. So I stayed home. I went on morning manna, excuse me, after I did morning manna, I went back on, on faith and values and alerted everybody and said, we need prayer.

Right. And we prayed in the name of Jesus Christ that the Florida power and light crew would come here and begin working. And as soon as we prayed, as soon as I ended that online prayer meeting, Doc called me and said, they're here. And they weren't supposed to be here till like 12 noon. Yeah, they said they weren't coming till 12 noon, but they literally came on the property the moment we ended the prayer meeting. it is the name of Jesus Christ. The name of Jesus Christ. The name that is above every name. We are victorious in his name.

Jesus Christ defeated hell, death, and the grave. He defeated Satan. He will enable you to defeat any enemy or foe or problem that you face today. So always call upon the name of Jesus Christ. We're going to take a break. And when we come back, you will see the interview that I recorded yesterday with Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology. You are watching and listening to True News, streaming and broadcasting by faith in Jesus Christ. Are you concerned about this economic storm and how your IRA and 401k will fare during these

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before the pandemic. In my opinion, however, the most revolutionary thing that was introduced to the human population on planet Earth was messenger RNA operating systems injected into hundreds of millions of human beings. The mRNA vaccines were not traditional vaccines. Revolutionary patented mRNA platforms were developed with CRISPR gene editing technology. One of the scientific pioneers in mRNA gene editing technology is Dr. Robert Malone. He is an internationally recognized scientist, physician, author, and political commentator. Dr. Malone is the original inventor of mRNA vaccination and DNA vaccination as technology platforms. He holds numerous patents

in the United States of America and internationally. He is the president of the Malone Institute, which is dedicated to restoring integrity in biological sciences and medicine. His Substack blog has over 300,000 subscribers, and he is the author of the book, Lies My Government Told Me. It's an honor and pleasure to welcome to True News, Dr. Robert Malone. Dr. Malone, glad to have you here today. Robert Malone Thanks. Glad to be here.

I appreciate also all that you guys have been doing all the way through this. We're all on the same side. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. And, you know, we were one of the early news organizations that began reporting on the coronavirus pandemic. And we featured news about you quite early in 2020. And, of course, you played a major part in a documentary film that we produced, Greatest Reset. So I'm finally glad that I've got the chance to meet you and talk to you. So before we get into the science of messenger RNA,

I want to talk about a couple of news articles that have appeared and just get your comment on it. This first one, this is from Medical Express. This is recent, September 16, Moderna reveals new highly targeted COVID-19 vaccine. And then another one, this is from Pharma Times, FDA approves Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna's adapted COVID-19 vaccines. Dr. Malone, what is this about? What is happening? What are the pharmaceuticals announcing? What are they telling us? So to cut to the chase, to the bottom line here, Moderna has, as of yesterday, dropped

just recently, I think over one day, 4% of its market cap. BioNTech has dropped 3.5%. Pfizer's dropped over 1%. Pfizer's chief financial officer has disclosed that they anticipate that the vaccine uptake from the boosters is going to be far lower than they had previously predicted and their revenue is therefore going to be much lower. Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, this is winning. The message that I and so many others have tried to push out to the general public is that these products are not safe and they're not effective and they should be withdrawn from the market. So the larger arc of what's going on is that the VRBAC or Vaccine and Related Biologics Product Advisory Committee of the FDA in late spring or summer advised the government that they needed to purchase booster vaccines designed

for what they believed was going to be the viral variant circulating this fall that they thought was a threat, a biologic threat, and could cause a public health emergency. You'll recall that we no longer have a declaration of public health emergency since May 11th by presidential order. So based on that advice from the advisory board for the FDA, the federal government went ahead and authorized a pre-purchase of vaccine from Moderna, Pfizer, and Novavax. And so they went to work building vaccines against the Kraken variant, that highly lethal virus that has caused a widespread death on the streets, mass graves, freezer vans full of people that have passed away, etc. Of course, none of that's happened, nor did it really happen with the first wave of coronavirus. That was all propaganda.

But the vaccine companies went ahead and have done as the government asked them and manufactured these vaccines for Kraken. And in the meantime, the virus has continued to evolve to escape these leaky vaccines. And now what we have is a variant called Ares, also Corolla, but predominantly Ares, which is dominating infections in the United States to the extent that they're occurring. And as recently documented in the Epoch Times, an article that just came out over the last couple of days, what is being observed with the ARIS variant is that it is highly infectious, true, but very low pathogenicity. It's in the upper respiratory tract. It causes basically cold symptoms and congestion. It has much less risk of the classic problems of a loss of taste or smell that have been so problematic,

and the tinnitus problem that's been problematic. So meanwhile, Kraken is almost disappeared from the stage in the United States and worldwide. So now the government and Pfizer and BioNTech and Moderna have a problem. They've designed and manufactured a vaccine variant against a viral variant that no longer exists in the population. So what they did was to, in the case of Pfizer, they inoculated, I think it's 20 mice with this new test product, vaccine candidate, bled those mice, and then did what's called a virus neutralization assay based on that mouse serum. What does that mean? It means they mixed virus of this Kraken variant or Parola or Aris, mixed it with serum from the mice, placed it on cultured layers of cells, monolayers in cell culture in the laboratory, and observed whether or not the virus was still infecting the cells or whether it had been bound

by the antibodies presumably present in the serum samples from the mice. This is the same slate of hand that they did with the original vaccines and the circulating variants Wuhan 1 at the time. And the problem with all this is that there is absolutely no evidence that virus neutralization assays predict protection from disease. They're very much unrelated and have never been proven correlate with protection. But the FDA is not swayed by that. And as I mentioned in a recent substack, has essentially gone rogue and went ahead and approved these vaccines that the government had purchased that are mismatched for the current strains and did so without any actual human clinical trials. In the case of Moderna, apparently they actual human clinical trials.

In the case of Moderna, apparently they have some clinical trials in progress. In the case of Pfizer-BioNTech, they just did these 20 mice and did the testing with the serum. And on the basis of that, the FDA approved it for broad human use. And then the CDC duly endorsed it for six months and above. So that's where we're at. This was all kicked off to the public by what was an extended marketing piece, essentially, when Scott Gottlieb, formerly FDA director and then shortly thereafter member of the board of Pfizer did an interview on Face the Nation in which he started off with the spooky statement that unnamed virologists, he didn't say unnamed, virologists that he knew were very concerned about this new variant, which of course would be ARIS, which the clinical data show is not very pathogenic at all. But he said these dark warnings

and then spoke at length about what Pfizer had done and the new vaccines and how great they were going to be and how everybody needed to get the jab. And that's basically what's happened since is amplification in corporate media and by the government in what is essentially a marketing campaign for a pre-purchased unmatched vaccine that has no evidence that it's going to be effective and a lot of evidence that it will cause what's called negative effectiveness. In other words, if you take this on top of prior vaccination and potentially even on top of natural infection, you will actually increase your risk of getting the disease, COVID, at some period of time after you've been inoculated, typically between two and seven months. So it may provide a

short-term benefit against a virus that's not particularly a problem. And then at between two and seven months, if you take it, it will probably make it more likely that you get the disease from whatever viral variants emerge at the time. So that's the story as I analyze it. And I've also been very careful to continue watching the CDC data as well as Worldometer for what's going on domestically and worldwide with these new variants. And in general, what we have are extremely low baselines of current infection. They show, you know, something between a 20 and 50 or 100 percent increase over that extremely low baseline which is still extremely low in terms of infections the rate of death associated with

this virus that's currently circulating is in the united states nationwide, something in the range of 44 per day. Remember, that's associated, not caused by the virus. So if you got a gunshot or a car wreck and they stuck a Q-tip up your nose and got a positive PCR signal, then they get their boost of money from the government, and they label you as a COVID associated death if you pass away. So it's a very biased skewed number, but it's still extremely low. And by comparison, the average daily death from opioids like fentanyl, which is dominated by fentanyl deaths across the United States, is running somewhere in the range of 500, 600, 700 per day. So if that's not a public health crisis, 44 associated deaths per day is not a public health crisis. So those are what the data show. And that's what is my interpretation

about all of this is it's functionally a taxpayer-funded marketing campaign for a product that has no indications that it works and which the government pre-purchased but is mismatched to the current circulating strains. Over. Dr. Malone, so what I'm hearing you say is that the pharmaceutical companies developed a vaccine for a variant that has not turned out to be that big of a threat. The U.S. government bought a lot of it. And the pharmaceutical companies tested it on 20 mice. And they're rolling it out for as young as six months old.

Yes. These people are going to inject an experimental drug in the veins of a six-month-old child. But not to be completely dark, I really tried to look for the silver lining in things. I was just reviewing a paper for the Kaiser healthcare system about the effectiveness of prior boosters and their estimates of effectiveness. And in that paper, they said that in their healthcare system, the Kaiser network, which is West Coast, which you would think would be biased towards people wanting to vaccinate their five-year-old and under. What they reported was the uptake of the boosters in five and under, or even the primary series of vaccines, the full three dose, was 5% or less. So we've kind of already won in that we've already helped the public to understand that these products aren't indicated in young children, despite the propaganda 2020, 2020, well, 21, when the vaccines were released. Clearly, there's an uptick in deaths. And the media will say, we don't know, we can't

explain it. The experts don't know why so many people are dying. Yeah. So as you guys knew when you came out and interviewed me so long ago, we're in an environment of intensive media control and propaganda, which I believe is best described as fifth generation warfare.

It uses technologies for manipulating perception that were designed for offshore combat including all of the infrastructure and the employment of both the intelligence community and the Department of Defense, including their PSYOPs brigades in the U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. So, you know, what we're seeing is yet more deployment through social media and corporate media channels using censorship that has been so well documented in the Facebook and Twitter files, and in the case of Missouri versus Biden. And a large fraction of the population

is convinced by these techniques. Historically, 25 to 75 percent of the general population is very susceptible to this kind of technology, including nudge tech. And just to underscore that, the other day we were doing reference bibliographies for an expert witness case I have to testify in. And part of that was crowdsourced through people on social media helping out the Malone Institute. And we compiled a list of about 700 papers that document peer-reviewed papers that document the adverse events associated with the jab, but over 1,200 papers on what is effective and what the barriers are to convincing people to accept the jab. So 1,200 peer-reviewed publications basically on propaganda and psyops to get people to accept an unlicensed vaccine product.

Dr. Mullen, you're the inventor of messenger RNA vaccines, so the technology. described it in previous years as a gene operating system, genetic therapy. Were we correct in using those terms? I want to ask you because I got criticized by the media, but I want to ask you, is messenger RNA, is it genetic therapy? So unequivocally, it was, I can speak in the first person, I conceived of this technology while working in a gene therapy lab at the Salk Institute in their molecular biology and virology labs under Dr. Inder Verma, one of the leading gene therapy researchers in the world. At the same time, the senior postdoc in the laboratory was working with adenoviruses for gene therapy purposes. I was working with retroviruses and trying to ask questions about how the mRNA of a retrovirus gets assembled.

That's why I developed the technology, was to ask some fundamental questions about how the virus works. Dinko Valerio, the senior postdoc I was just mentioning, left the lab and founded a company called Crucell, which was focused on gene therapy in the Netherlands. Crucell then got sold to J&J, and that's the technology that was in the J&J adenoviral vector gene therapy COVID vaccine. This absolutely came from a gene therapy laboratory, and it absolutely was conceived of as gene

therapy technology applied, one of many that can be applied to vaccination as an indication. But what the FDA did was to classify it only as a vaccine and to deny its fundamental nature as a gene therapy technology and therefore bypassed the gene therapy regulations, which would have required much more extensive testing, including, by the way, testing for shedding. And so they, by administrative slate of hand, gave the vaccine developers and manufacturers a pass to not do the more rigorous testing that should have been required for a gene therapy product. Now, you've used some other terms in your description that I'm uncomfortable with,

but including that these vaccines were developed using CRISPR-Cas9 technology, which is not true. And they don't enable CRISPR-Cas9 activity in your body. But it's quite likely that CRISPR-Cas9 systems were used in constructing the virus at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And that genetically modified spike protein is incorporated into these vaccines. So in a sense, you can still make that case that CRISPR-Cas9-type genetic modification of the virus led to a viral sequence that was then placed into the vaccine. And so the vaccine in part was constructed using that. That, I think, is a valid argument to make. Are you confident that the virus was a man-made biological product?

Absolutely. I have absolutely no question about it. And furthermore, I'm very, very aware of the details of the efforts on the part of the federal government to hide that fact, including the recent reveal that was published in multiple press the CIA to study this was bribed to basically pull their punches in their conclusion. There's no question. They were given a cash incentive to change their analysis. Okay, tomato, tomato. Right. tomato tomato right so when we when we talk about uh coronavirus uh covet 19 being man-made

uh and i assume you you mentioned wuhan so i believe you you believe it was uh created in in the wuhan lab it was created it was created in the wuhan institute of virology through a combination of technology transfer and funding provided by the United States government, including USAID, DOD, Defense Threat Reduction Agency, the Threat Mitigation Branch. So why was the United States government funding biological research in China? So I've actually spoken about this beginning with Steve Bannon about a month ago. I'm convinced that the CIA and its various sister agencies across the world have been intimately involved in all of the actions

associated with this COVID crisis. When we speak of who are the puppet masters, I believe that the answer is the CIA and its colleagues working together with the U.S. Department of Defense. And the big why question is why, as you say, would they be involved in biologic weapons research under the CCP at the Wuhan Institute of Virology? CIA operatives that the story goes back about a decade ago when there was a leak to the CCP from some inside mole that they still haven't identified apparently

of the names of the active human intelligence agents operating within China borders, under the CCP. And those individuals and their families were tortured and executed. Therefore, the CIA and its uh sister agencies were suddenly blind to what was going on in china and there was a sort of a very odd quid pro quo and you'll recall that even at the beginning of the outbreak we now from FOIA documents that Anthony Fauci and his colleagues, Jeremy Farrar and others, were very friendly with the CCP leadership at the time, at the start of this outbreak, and actually spoke about the need to protect the CCP in China and their reputation during the initial stage of the COVID crisis.

So they actively manipulated information to mitigate any risk to their CCP colleagues. So, Ari, let me ask you this, and I don't know if your answer is speculation or whether you have any knowledge. If the U.S. government was involved in the development of the virus, I'm thinking of two possible explanations. Number one, the U.S. is working hand in hand with the Chinese military. And there's a partnership. Number two, they were setting up China to take the fall. In other words, we'll fund it and then we'll blame you.

Yeah, there's no way for me to, and no way to backtrack to discern unless we have documents come out. So this is akin to the depopulation agenda discussion. And in that case, I've held off discussing about the depopulation speculation until I received a series of documents and analyses from a colleague that included the Kissinger Report, developed under Richard Nixon and then made U.S. policy

under Ford. And in that, it clearly states that an objective of the United States government is to cap global population growth at 8 billion. And by the way, we hit 7.2 billion in January of 2020. So then I was comfortable. I mean, there's a lot of other things in that Substack essay and the details in the Kissinger report that we've covered, but that's the essence of it is there's certainly, as Steve Bannon likes to say, in politics, there's no coincidences. But in the case of, and I was just getting to what I've heard repeatedly from people with good ties within the government, and including within the intelligence community is that the, and by the way, I heard this directly from a GS-14 level employee at Defense Threat Reduction Agency that was in a

different division in ChemBioDefense rather than in Threat Mitigation Branch, that DITRA justified their, Defense Threat Reduction Agency justified their investment in Wuhan Institute of Virology in this research based on the logic that they applied for scooping up the loose nukes after the fall of the Soviet Union, which was to financially stabilize the scientists like the Bat Lady, to incentivize them not to go rogue. Now, that to me is transparently spurious, but that was the official policy line. What I've heard otherwise is that in the face of absolutely no intelligence,

the intelligence community in the United States, no human intelligence, cut this quid pro quo deal where they would have some access to visibility in what was going on within China within their research programs involving engineering of pathogens for biowarefare purposes. And in exchange for having some visibility on that, they provided technology and funding to support those activities. That is the information that, as I say, I've heard from multiple sources now, that that was the logic. And as you'll recall, and I've discussed, we had a very close collaborative relationship, including close reciprocal relationships with the major university located near Wuhan that has a medical

school and Harvard University. They had reciprocal relationships where their faculty would come to Harvard. Harvard faculty like Michael Callahan, who was also a CIA officer, would go to their And this was sort of a detente that had been developed where there was cooperation in the biowarfare and quote biodefense or dual function research area between the CCP and DOD and the intelligence community. That is a pretty well established fact. You believe it was manmade, you believe that it was made in Wuhan, so the next, and you believe that the CIA and the Pentagon have had a hand in it. So the next question would be and the NIH. And so the next question would be the other. What I can say is having worked at a regional primate research center in the United States, the UC Davis Regional Primate Research Center, and my wife has worked in primatology for

much of her young life at the San Diego Zoo Center for Reproduction of Endangered Species in the Brookfield Zoo. Monkeys, gorillas, chimps, baboons are really quite nasty animals. They throw feces. And keepers, including laboratory techs, are always at significant or unintended infection from simian herpes viruses and many other things that are pathogenic that are hidden there. A good case could be made that respiratory syncytial virus, RSV, entered the human population in Silver Springs, Maryland, Maryland from an unintentional transmission from a macaque colony into humans. RSV was unknown prior to the 50s.

So there's a long history of unintentional crossovers and release into a population associated with non-human primate research. These non-human primates are full of viruses that are close enough in their adaptation that it's not too hard for them to jump into humans and then continue evolving in humans. So my bias is that what we had was an unintended, unfortunate infection, one that's highly likely to occur in these environments, unless people are particularly rigorous. Dr. Malone, if you were kept in a cage and injected with experimental viruses, you would throw feces too. Well, they throw feces at each other. I know. Just that's what they do. I hear what you're saying. It's not a very nice way to live if you're a non-human primate.

But do you expect? There is evidence. Just let me finish the story a little bit. There is evidence of early cases that were basically covered up in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And we'll never really know because the CCP swooped in and cleaned out all the records, cleaned out the freezers, cleaned out the lab books. But if you're doing this kind of gain of function research, it's likely that you eventually will hit on something that will be much more highly transmissible into humans and pathogenic. This is a time bomb waiting to happen.

If you do this kind of research, this will happen. One last question. Are you expecting another deadly virus to be released? So, intentionally or unintentionally or or uh either way uh from uh a uh you know environmental disruption there there's no question that we will have a continued pressure uh from viruses that cross into the human population and other pathogens. That's just inevitable. Whether it will be weaponized in some way or intentional,

whether it's a non-state or state actor intentionally designing a bioweapon or through just inadvertent stupidity, I often say it's almost impossible to tell the difference between incompetence and nefarious intent unless you have the documents. But it will happen. And I think the thing that is particularly concerning is this pattern that we've seen of study groups, essentially, often that have the fingerprints of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the CIA, such as Event 201 or the planning event in Germany

for a monkeypox outbreak that predicted the monkeypox outbreak almost to the day in a planning session that was held a year before. And then we had this monkeypox outbreak in the context of what was the biggest gay rave party in the world that's held annually. That which would have been a perfect environment to introduce such a virus had you wished to do so, certainly raises the specter that there are bad actors with nefarious intent that are planning and deploying infectious disease strategies coupled with a variety of other types of manipulation that may be weaponizing infectious disease for financial or other reasons,

that you can't, I'm not saying that's absolutely the case, but there's certainly a lot of smoke around that issue, and you can't rule out that that's occurring as far as I'm concerned. All right. One more question because I need to let you go. You're a very educated, intelligent man. Are you different today in September 2023 than you were in early 2020? Mentally, emotionally, are you different? Do you have a different perspective? Absolutely. I have been well and truly black-pilled. I'm well past red-pilled at this point. I don't trust anything that comes out of the government. I'm extremely sensitive to propaganda, fifth-generation warfare. I don't trust anything that comes out of the government. I'm extremely sensitive to propaganda, fifth generation warfare. I've been subjected to derision, harassment, gaslighting, defamation, malicious defamation, continuously now for almost three years. And it's come from both

corporate media and the government, as well as from a variety of smaller actors. And I could name names. The recent episode with Karen Kingston, in which she basically had a breakdown and accused me of, or appeared to accuse me of orchestrating aia hit on her by poisoning while she was in mexico that then got amplified in the media you can't it's hard to describe what it's like oh i understand it have somebody drag your reputation through the mud accuse you of being a murderer accuse you of being a mass murderer repeatedly uh you know i have a uh somebody who ostensibly is on our side that almost daily posts filth. Actually, I've got three or four of them accusing me of all kinds of things that are completely unfounded. And they all have their own little following of haters. You can't go through this and be the same. Many people, when they see

what's happened to me and what I've been subjected to, they shy away. They don't want to be in the public sphere because of the risk of being subjected to what I've had to deal with and my my wife uh but um uh it's kind of in for a penny in for a pound uh you know i'm i'm committed to trying to help people to understand what's going on uh committed to the best of my ability to act with integrity uh to speak truth to power and to continue to do so despite all of the uh negative that's come along with it but you can't go through this and and not be changed and that's right the perhaps the biggest thing is that i have absolutely no faith in our government and in corporate media uh to uh media to tell, you know, speak truth about anything now. Everything is clearly manipulated and spun for various political, financial, and social objectives.

That's right. Well, our audience fully agrees with you. And I know exactly what you have gone through because I've gone through it for many years. And these guys are brutal. what you have gone through, because I've gone through it for many years. And these guys are brutal. They play hardball, and they seek to destroy reputations. It's their stock and trade. They're killers. Yeah, but you have to, I mean, you have to gird your loins. You have to put on the armor.

And the armor of god is certainly a good metaphor and uh you have to you have to put on your armor and be a happy warrior but nonetheless recognize that you're in a battle against evil and that uh your opponents justify their actions to themselves based on the utilitarian notion that the ends justify the means. And they will do anything. They have no ethical boundaries. They don't recognize that. I'm glad to hear you quote scripture that tells me you know that this is a battle against evil. Absolutely.

We're up against evil. And we can't defeat it with human means. It will require supernatural, spiritual means to defeat it. Dr. Mullen, thank you. I appreciate you being here today. This was supposed to be

a short interview, and it turned out to be a long interview, and I'm very grateful for your time. And I want to ask our audience to pray for you and pray for your safety and favor to be upon you and that you will continue to grow and be a strong voice for truth. And we're all in this battle together. Blessings to you.

Thank you for being here today. Thank you, sir. And thank you for the opportunity. And really pray for all of us. This is not going to be an easy win. That's right. They've been planning a lot of this for generations. That's right.

And we're not going to get out of the woods just with the next election. Hopefully the next election goes our way. But many of us are concerned. But as Charlie Kirk said to us very clearly just a couple days ago in Scottsdale, Arizona, in a really stunning lecture that he gave. He thinks we're winning and he thinks we absolutely can win in the next election. We shouldn't be complacent. We absolutely have to be active and working hard,

but we can win. He is not one that has fallen to this negativity that everything is lost. There's a long history of turning the battle, but that doesn't happen on our side and the conservative side and the Christian side. But that will not happen if people become despondent and just clock out. Good way to end this interview today, Dr. Robert Malone. Thank you so much. I'm gonna take a short break.

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I definitely will have Dr. Malone back on the program, and I encourage you to pray for him. You heard what he said. You heard the price that he has paid. I understand it. I've been through it. I know what they do to you. They attack your name, your reputation. They attack your friends. They just tear your life up because they're extremely vicious. And they, who is they? I'm talking about the ruling class of

this country, the regime. They will go after anybody with a vengeance if you dare tell the truth. Well, I've been telling the truth for nearly 25 years on this program, and I'm going to continue to tell the truth. They've attacked me viciously for many years, but I'm still here. And the reason I'm still here is because no weapon formed against me shall prosper. That's why other podcasters and radio and TV hosts have collapsed and disappeared and folded up, but it's because they didn't call upon the name of Jesus. They were trying to do it in their own name and their own strength. You can't. You have to be under the blood of Jesus. You have to go out on the battlefield knowing that the Lord Jesus Christ is behind you.

You can take on any Goliath. You can take on any foe if you know that the Lord Jesus Christ is with you. But you have to make sure you're with him. You got to make sure you're with him proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom, the good news that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and that sins are forgiven through faith in Jesus Christ, and that He is coming back again, the same Jesus. He's coming back again in glory and power for His church. Will you be there? Will you be ready? Make sure. Repent and believe on the name of Jesus.