TRUNEWS with Rick Wiles - Tim Cramer Sez: Conservatives Uniting to Form New Economy

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Join us for a captivating interview with Tim Cramer, founder of Mosaic advertising and CramerSez, as he explores the rise of the conservative parallel economy. Discover how conservatives need to defend their beliefs by creating their own networks, platforms, and businesses that align with their values, fostering an environment of shared principles and mutual support. Gain unique insights into the philosophy, challenges, and opportunities within the conservative parallel economy, empowering conservatives to shape their own economic destiny and amplify their voices in society. Rick Wiles, Doc Burkhart. Airdate 6/27/23 You can partner with us by visiting TruNews.com/donate, calling 1-800-576-2116, or by mail at PO Box 690069 Vero Beach, FL 32969. It’s the Final Day! The day Jesus Christ bursts into our dimension of time, space, and matter. Now available in eBook and audio formats! Order Final Day from Amazon today! https://www.amazon.com/Final-Day-Characteristics-Second-Coming/dp/0578260816/ Apple users, you can download the audio version on Apple Books! https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/final-day-10-characteristics-of-the-second-coming/id1687129858 The Fauci Elf is a hilarious gift guaranteed to make your friends laugh! Order yours today! https://tru.news/faucielf

You are listening to True News with Rick Wiles. We appreciate you tuning in. To find out more information regarding the broadcast, including prayer and financial support, please visit our website at truenews.com. Our mailing address for all correspondence is True News. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help us God. Over 10 years ago, I foresaw that the day would arrive when the free speech rights

of Christians, patriots, and conservatives would be censored by radical, godless, leftist revolutionaries in America. Our church began to prepare for it, knowing that big tech companies would attempt to silence us. We were in the first wave of deplatforming, but it did not sink us. Sadly, many Christian and conservative leaders and organizations failed to defend us when we were censored. They were afraid, and they hoped that they would never be censored and deplatformed like us. Well, that unrealistic view didn't last many years. It's 2023, and if you haven't been censored or deplatformed, it's because you're not saying anything worth hearing. The social sting of being deplatformed has dissipated. There are so many conservative influencers and

organizations that have been censored and deplatformed that we are now coalescing into a mighty force to forge a new parallel economy. Now, as you can see right here, Forbes magazine, excuse me, The Economist, recently published this article, Conservative Americans Are Building a Parallel Economy. The movement caught the attention of The Economist. Now, this is the business magazine owned by the Rothschild family. The Economist published this article earlier this month, as we see the headline that Americans are building a parallel economy. The bottom line is this.

Large, medium, and small American corporations and companies are making decisions based on politics. They are very willing to tell Christians, conservatives, and patriots to go away and not do business with them. However, there is an upside to this insanity. That's because there are several hundred million Americans who cherish traditional values, and they are realizing that major corporations do not want them as customers. Well, that's an incredible opportunity to start new companies. The economists called it for-profit polarization. One of the leaders in this conservative new economy movement is my guest today.

Tim Kramer has a long career history in successful marketing campaigns for companies that want to appeal to middle-class Americans who still love God and country. His Indianapolis-based marketing and advertising company is Mosaic, and he is a professional who works with conservative businesses, causes, and campaigns. Tim recently visited Vero Beach to meet with some key leaders of our team, including Doc and myself. And I was impressed by his outspokenness to confront controversial topics. And I invited him on the program today. Tim can be found on Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, and Rumble as Kramer Says. And KramerSays.com is the home of his new free speech platform. Tim is standing by in his studio to join us today on True News. Tim, welcome to True News.

Thanks so much for having me, Rick. Good to be here. Yes, sir. Let's talk about this new economy. As I said in the opening, we got hit in the first wave, I guess going back around 2018. We were in that first wave of being deplatformed on YouTube, Facebook, and so forth. I lost count of who deplatformed on YouTube, Facebook, and so forth. I lost count of who deplatformed us. I mean, it made national news headlines that we were deplatformed. And, you know, very few conservatives

and Christians and patriots rallied to our cause. I mean, everybody ran the other way and said, better stay away. Well, I know why they did that because they were afraid. They were afraid they would be next. Well, guess what? They were next. And now just about everybody has been deplatformed or censored. If you're conservative or a Christian leader, as I said, if you haven't been deplatformed, it's because you're not saying anything worth hearing, you know? So you recently built your own free speech platform. Let's talk about, for a few minutes, let's talk about this parallel economy that The Economist recognized this month is developing in America. We see companies like Rumble, Public Square. There are a lot of companies that have, Epic is another one. Companies are rising up saying,

we want conservatives. We want Christians. We want patriots. You're welcomed. You're not going to be censored. You're not going to be ridiculed and told to go away. What do you think about this movement? I think that it has to happen or we go to war. We can't continue down the path that we've been going down for the last several years. It really started when we saw it in the advertising industry. We really saw it starting in about 2014, 2015, but it really kicked into action in 2016. I think it was right after the Charlotte incident where the young man ran through the crowd. Facebook stepped forward and said that they were going to start limiting speech and what you could and couldn't

say to limit hate. And we said at the time that that's dangerous. That's a slippery slope because what one person sees as hate, somebody else sees as a criticism. I'm going to criticize you for this. And other people see that as hate. That's a very slippery slope. We talked about it then. The next thing that happened was we weren't allowed to talk about or mention a whistleblower in the White House, in the Trump White House. That was the second time that we really saw this put into motion. If you mentioned that person's name, if you simply said that person's name in a post on Facebook or other social media platform outlets, suddenly you were gone for one name. And so we started screaming at the top of our lungs that this had to change, and we had to start looking at different outlets. And 2020, we saw the exact same thing happen again.

We saw you couldn't talk about the election. You couldn't talk about COVID. Free speech is about being able to speak and say things so that others can learn from you or you can learn from them. Just because I have a position doesn't mean my position is right. As much as I advocate for free speech, I may not be correct all the time. I need to be corrected as well. And what we're seeing right now is this push by government agencies. And when it was just companies, we said initially, it's not good. But then we started to see the pattern. And the patterns were

we automatically realized that our government was involved in silencing American voices and silencing dissent along certain narratives that, well, you just can't talk about those things. And so what we started looking at as early as 2009, really, is when we started looking at the parallel economy for a number of different reasons. But when the Obamacare thing came into play, we decided that we had to change radically what we were doing as a company because of what the administrative state was doing to businesses across the country. We made a decision not to hire anybody anymore. If we're going to be mandated to have to carry Obama insurance on employees, we're not going to have employees.

It's important to understand that they set the rules. You've got to figure out how to live with inside those rules. And people go, well, how did you do that without employees? Well, we went to contracting and we paid the contractors more because we didn't have to pay for their insurance. So that was we had dumped all of our liberal clients. We had started that process in 2009 as well. And by the time we got to 2014, we didn't have any clients, Rick, that were liberal. Everybody, for the most part, thought the same way that we had. Now, we may work with employees inside these groups that are liberal, but the ownership was conservative. And what we found was it was a lot easier to get work done. It was a lot easier to get paid. There wasn't this throwing each other under the bus stuff that was going on continually with these other groups. But by 2016, we had culled all of

those clients so I could speak freely. And when the 2016 election started, I did. And the first time that I got censored that I was ever told, no, you can't say that was on Twitter. And all I did was is I took a Bette Midler post and changed one word in it and posted it back at her. That was enough to get me banned because she was a protected voice at the time. You couldn't talk about Bette Midler because she had a row with Donald Trump. So when we started to see this, Rick, we knew that something had to change. And that's when we really changed the formulation of our business, went for conservative causes, conservative campaigns, political campaigns and so on, and started working directly with these people where our voice could be heard and I couldn't be silenced. That it wouldn't kill my business as we've seen so many others die off over the last few years. So that's kind of how we got here. Tim, it's really amazing listening to your story because

you and I have only known each other for about two months, but we have been tracking on a very similar path and timeline without knowing each other. Because during the Obama years, I started to see the same things. And then, but you mentioned 2015, I was sitting here thinking that's about the time. I was telling our staff, we have to build our own platform. There's going to be censorship up ahead. And members of my staff were telling me, no, you want be on youtube you want to be on facebook you and i'm going no they're it's it's a it's a it's a bait it's this is a trap you're going to go there build build your organization around facebook or youtube and then they're going to they're going to chop your head off and uh and i didn't want i didn't want to go on any of those social media platforms. The thing that convinced me to do it was one sentence. One of our team members said, the bandwidth is free. You don't

have to pay for it. And I said, okay, all right. I'll use their bandwidth for free. I'll do it until they kick me off. Well, that lasted a couple of years. So the way I look at it is we used them. We reached hundreds of thousands of people. We used them. They paid for it. But I knew they were snakes to start with. So, you know, here we are now. I think most conservatives realize that the left has no intention of letting us have free speech rights. And we're going to have to fight for those rights. These are constitutional rights. But these people don't even believe in the Constitution.

They hate the American Revolution. They hate the founding fathers. Therefore, they hate free speech rights. They hate the right, the freedom of worship, everything that's in our Bill of Rights. They hate it. They want it only for themselves. You mentioned at the very beginning, you said, we have to build this parallel economy or we go to war. What do you mean by that? Well, one of the things, I've had an interesting career. I did hear you say it, i heard i heard you say you did we we um i like to get things down to lowest common denominator uh i

believe that that's been one of the keys to my success over the years is that i i don't get um i don't get um frazzled by all the trees that need to be cut down. The forest is not daunting to me. And so with that being the case, I look at things a little bit differently. And when you take things to the lowest common denominator, Rick, it very quickly tells you the logic that you need to use to win the war that you're fighting. And the war that we're fighting right now is a war where all the values, and not just Christian values, American values are under attack by a group of people who have no values.

They can justify doing anything. They can justify aborting a child 28 days after its birth. They can justify that. And people that can do that, well, we cannot allow them to be around us forever, because they will take every freedom, they will take every reason for living away from us. They've told us now that our children are theirs. They belong to the state. If that's not a reason to go to war, I don't know what is. They've told us that our work, our effort, that we're not paying enough, that we got to pay our fair share while the others at the top are paying nothing. That's a reason to go to war. If you remember our founding fathers, first of all, what people seem to forget, Rick, is that this nation was founded in revolution. And we have to have a revolutionary spirit in all things, not just in

the day-to-day business world, but also in the social world that we're fighting this war in currently. It's not a kinetic war. Right now, it's the destruction of people and their reputations. That's how they win currently. And if we're going to have any chance whatsoever of winning this war, we're going to have to build our own lines of defense and our own lines of offense. And currently, conservatives don't have that. And that's what they've been able to utilize against us for the last several years. In 2020, when COVID took off, Rick, what I realized was that we were in real trouble. And the first thing that happened, and I wasn't fully understanding what was going on on the global scale at that point. I hadn't taken a deep dive into it.

But what confused me is that as an advertising agency owner for the last 30 years nearly, I've worked with a lot of these national, huge international brands from Panasonic, NASCAR, and so on. We've done big projects around the planet. And what confused me was how suddenly all of these brands were doing the exact same thing at the exact same time. So you had competing or competitors of each other enact acting, taking actions that would limit their ability to make money. And it didn't make any sense to me. Why are they doing this? Why doesn't at least just one stay open and say, no, we're going to be the choice. We'll be the choice of freedom. We're going to stay open. No, you do not have to wear masks. No,

there is no social distancing. You can be a free American in our store. And so what that drove us to was looking at, well, wait a minute, they're all doing the same thing at the same time. That's not in their best interest. Someone else is controlling them. Someone else is making these decisions. And that's when we started really looking into the ownership of these companies. And one of my meetings we had with some conservative influencers, one of them said, well, monopolies, you know, monopolies, because I kept saying they have a monopoly of thought in this country right now. They have monopoly on everything. And this buddy of mine goes, they don't have a monopoly. And yes, they do. But it's a new monopoly. Again, we're fighting a new war, Rick. That's what I keep telling people.

It's a new war. Who needs a monopoly on one industry when you can have controlling interest of 95% of all industries? And that's what we have here. That's where, when I noticed that during COVID, that's the first piece of content that I created, not from the agency, but from myself personally. I went to TikTok and put up a video about it and talked about it. That video went viral and talked about it. That video went viral over a billion views. That's how things kind of blew up for me on social media. That's where I realized I was going to leverage, as you put it, their free bandwidth to start telling truths. And it was interesting when I first blew up and came up, I could say anything that I wanted.

Then I started talking about COVID. And we started talking about what the real results were. Boom, count taken. We started talking about what was going on inside government, what was going on inside of the election. Boom, gone. We talked about January 6th. Boom, gone. And all of a sudden, what I realized was, is that if they take our voice, the next thing they'll come for is our guns. And they've been trying this for a long time. But if they take our voice and we have no voice, it'll seem on the outside that there's so many of them and so few of us. And so I have to keep fighting. And I just kept coming back and saying time and time again, first of all, have faith.

There's a number of people out here working. You're one of them. I'm one of them. And those people that are going to be working are going to be called all, have faith. There's a number of people out here working. You're one of them. I'm one of them. And those people that are going to be working are going to be called all kinds of names. We're going to be lamb blasted. We're going to be thrown underneath the bus. And we're going to be ridiculed for what we're saying. Rick, over the last several years, how many times have you said something, been labeled something, right?

In two months, two years, you're vindicated. That what you said was going to happen was going to happen all right and i've and no apologies exactly nobody ever calls nobody ever writes from the media and says hey you know what you were right uh never happens uh they just come up with another lie about whatever you're saying today. You see, you learn to live with it. You learn to live with it. When I realized that, I started telling clients, we've got to start moving. We've got to start creating our own lines of communication.

We've got to start creating our own safe zones. We've got to have hosting, for example. You know this. Hosting, you have to own. You can't allow yourself to be on AWS or these other systems because as soon as you say something that they don't like, that doesn't fit the narrative you're gone no that's not that's not the american spirit that i grew up with that's not what i was told and we're told that these companies these companies can be um do whatever they want because they're private entities do you have do you have your own hosting company yet do you own a hosting company i've i've partnered with other conservatives that

have their own okay do you know do you know epic are you aware of epic epic times yes we work with no no no epic there's uh epic epic i'm not yeah i'll introduce you to to the owner ceo you know there are companies forming that are uh building that are building this parallel economy. We absolutely have to do it. Going back to COVID, we first reported on COVID in January of 2020. It was a month before the public knew about it. And so we were carefully watching it. And then President Trump took us to Davos, Switzerland in February 2020. Tim, I was in my the White House put us up the lodging. We were in a ski ski lodge because we had to go wherever the White House told us you're staying, you know, that location. I was in my lodging one night and got a phone call from, it was in the afternoon, from the New York Times, right? They called me in Switzerland

and said, how did you get inside the World Economic Forum? And I said i i was invited who was it i mean they demand to know who invited me and i said the white house who in the white house who's your who's your source in the white house and i said you're the new york times you know the way this is done you know how media credentials are handed out okay all right what is your point the point tim was the new york times was outraged that a conservative christian news organization had been invited by the white house to a major global event it made them live it they were furious and when when we uh inside the uh the press room uh at at world economic forum you know there were tables with you know all the networks uh bbc mbc cnn you know and they had name plates for everybody uh washington post new york times and and there there was true news. And for the first time in 20 some years, Tim, we were

finally treated like we were a legitimate organization. But the news people there treated us like we had a disease. We were not welcomed. And I'll tell you who the rudest one was, was Fox News. The staff of Fox News treated us like we were lepers. Okay. Like how dare you come in here and sit in here? Okay. I saw the arrogance of the news organizations. I mean, they are really arrogant, nasty people, and they will not allow anybody to come in. I mean, it's a closed club. Well, we have to break through this. It doesn't matter if they don't like us. I don't care if you like me or not.

I'm going. Right. That's what I've been saying for the longest time is that, like I said earlier, getting things down to lowest common denominator. What I started looking at and really realized what's going on here is no different. And it's what you and I talked about when I visited you last week is that things have not changed since the playground when we were in fifth or sixth grade. The people that are there on the playground, they grew up being the same exact people. They did not change. So the bully is still the bully. The mean girl is still the mean girl. The nerd is still the nerd, right? Those people, the jock is still the jock. Those

people did not change. And what you have to realize is, is that if you had a kid that could do certain things and be mean in fifth or sixth grade, they didn't change as they became the governor of a state. They didn't change as they became the director of some organization or some business. And we recently saw this in action with the sheriff in Oklahoma that was caught on tape lamenting about the days that he could lynch people, right? And he was talking about the murder of a journalist that he didn't like in town and what he would do with him and how he would dispose of his body. Now, that guy was no different in fifth or sixth grade than he is now. He was always a bully. That's where we're at. And we have to

start treating these bullies as they are, slapping them in the mouth. Now, that's a figurative statement. But my point is that the best way to beat a bully is not to comply. And sadly, what we've learned through science is that 80% of people, about 80% of people, don't have the ability to say anything to authority and it's a good point what you're making because that sheriff one day could be he could be the supervisor of the state police for the entire state exactly he could one day be a member of the congress or the lieutenant governor of the state and he's he's going into that higher office with that same attitude i'll do whatever i have to do if i have to kill i'll kill and so you're right there are people in high government offices right now who have a

murderous spirit yep and we need to face it we need to we need to come to grips with that there are thugs in you know in high places and and they don't care what they have to do to us they they're going to maintain in their minds they're going to do whatever they have to do to maintain power and they're showing it we've seen it time and time again if you um what was interesting i i look at theater a lot for truths right theater tells you a lot of truths of what's going on. And it's interesting to me, the show House of Cards, the story of Frank Underwood, right? He kills several people in this show. This is theater showing us what's really going on in our country. If it happened in the 1400s, it's happening now. If it happened 2000 years ago, it's happening now if it happened 2 000 years ago it's happening now right um what david did uh you know the actions that he took as a man right the sins that he had that he created

are committed the men and women in power today are no different than david they do the exact same things and that's why these conspiracy theories, what's interesting to me is that they call it a conspiracy theory, which is a term coined by the CIA of all people, of all groups. But they say it's a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy theory, and then when it comes out as the truth, the spin is on. And that's what we've seen for the last several years. And I think that the problem that America has right now is they don't have the soul for accountability. They don't have the will to sacrifice and make the sacrifices necessary to hold these people accountable. They're afraid of what they'll lose, what it'll cost them.

And that's sad. We don't move forward against this tyranny and what we have going on in our country until 20%, the 20% that will stand, start to stand. And that's what we're seeing. And the reason that they're standing, Rick, is because they're starting to realize that you and I are being bullied, and they see that they're next. In our conversation, I told you, I said, the one thing that hurts my heart more than anything else is the silence of the church over the last two to three years. I think the churches have not stood up and done their part

and now we're starting to see just a couple of weeks ago a minister in pennsylvania arrested on the streets not for screaming not for yelling but for citing a scripture at a protest he was arrested in america for citing a scripture that police officer has no idea what the Constitution says and what that man's rights are. That's right. We're in a sad shape in this country, and unless we start holding people accountable for the crimes that they've committed and the sins that they've committed against the American people, we're going to continue down this path. And that's why I believe that we have to have dual economies. We have to have an economy where we can say, we can speak truth to power and say that the king has no clothes or that

the vaccine doesn't work. That's right. You know, when you said about the timidity of Christians, I was thinking about how things have changed over my lifetime. So I became it was 79, the first abortion clinic opened up in our town. This is back in Maryland. And I organized a protest, all right? And I put a small ad in the newspaper and said, I'll be in front of the abortion clinic Sunday at 3 p.m. to pray. Tim, I still remember to this day, when I turned a corner to go down that block, there were at least 1,500 people waiting on me. They came.

That movement grew and grew and grew, and we had thousands of people showing up. And then we were going to hold a major rally, which meant that the street had to be closed. And two pastors and myself met with the police chief. And the police chief said, I will not issue a permit to close the street. I'm not going to do it. And we did everything we could to convince him.

And this meeting was in City Hall. And I remember this pastor. I think he's still alive. He's probably up in his 90s now, but I checked on him. Somebody told me a couple months ago he's still around. He said to the police chief, he said, Chief, what's the law say about a school bus with flashing lights and and the police says well you know if the school bus lights are flashing traffic has to stop he said well my church school has uh 25 school buses and he says in rever and reverend so-and-so has 15 school buses and reverend so-and-so has eight in reverence so and he says and reverend so-and-so has 15 school buses and reverend so-and-so has eight and reverend so and he said we're going to fill them up and we're going to create about a one mile line of

school buses and we're going to turn the lights on and tim to this day i can still see that police chief his knuckles got white, his hands were shaking, and his voice was quivering. And he said, now, pastor, pastor, don't you do something like that, Pat? And he was scared. He was afraid of what the church would do. That's right. I don't see anything like that today. I don't see any courage at all. Nothing. I just see timidity. My biggest problem here on this show has been trying to find pastors to come on this show and speak boldly. They're afraid to do it. They're afraid of being canceled. That's the,

that's the whole thing. Um, you know, Rick, one of the things that changed in my life and really changed my perspective on things is in 2016, I had a heart attack. Died. They resuscitated me. Previously, eight days previous, by the way, my wife had had a heart attack as well. So I don't know what was in the water or what we were eating at the time. We've cleaned up our diet since. But we had the heart attack died uh that november by the way that was super ball sunday 2016 that november um i had shoulder surgery and coated on the table died again

they were said the rest resuscitated me um and that was kind of a wake-up call for me to start looking at what was really important for the longest time i was um money was my god i guess is the best way to put it, is that that's what I judged everything by. Success, everything was judged on what I could buy and how the money that I had, how it could make me feel good. And when that happened in 2016 and realizing how fast it could all be over, gone, nothing of me would exist ever again, I decided that it was the time to start moving in the direction of making a difference instead of complaining all the time. Instead of saying,

well, they're doing the wrong thing, is to be a part of the solution instead of the part of the squeaky wheel. And when you do that, you have to take a stand. And when you take a stand, and this is what I keep telling people on my podcast and so on that you can find on Amazon, Apple and all the other places, is that you have to start becoming a leader that you expect to find. That leader may not be out there. You may have to become that leader. And when you do that, becoming a leader is doing what you're going to do regardless of what anybody says, regardless of what anybody thinks. You're doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. The followers come with that.

People follow leaders. But leaders come from just doing what they're going to do anyway. And the first truth, the first part of leadership is truth. You have to be honest with yourself and you have to be honest with everybody else. And that's what I've tried to do over the last few years, same as yourself, is that when you tell truth, the people who like the truth, they don't have any problem with it. It's the people who want you to believe the lie that had the problem with your truth. When you start telling truth, you also become a lightning rod. And it becomes the job of bullies. And this is what I keep saying. I keep going back to this fifth grade thing. These bullies that, oh, he said something that I don't like. He's done something that I don't like. I have to destroy him. And that's what this cancel culture is about. These ministers are more worried about their material wealth, their material comfort, than they are what their

job and their role should be as leaders. I don't care what anybody says about me, Rick. It doesn't matter. I know what's in my heart. I know what's in my soul. I don't hate anyone. I don't hate you because of your color. I don't hate you because of your heritage. I don't hate you because of your race. I don't hate. I may have a problem with you because you're a jerk, right? But I don't hate anyone. But what we've gotten into now is as soon as somebody points a finger and says, well, that person's guilty of something, they want to align you with some kind of hate crime these days. So as soon as you say, well, that person's guilty of this, well, they're Jewish or they're black or they're Hispanic. So therefore, he's a hater, he's part of, he's a white nationalist. I don't

care about any of that. And you have to have that thick skin to be able to move forward. Now, I've been called every name in the book. I'm sure you have as well. And when you do that, when you've been called every name in the book, and you know that those things are not true, mainly because everything that you're been told that you hate, all those people, Rick, are in my family. I have a weird family. We have Hispanic, we have Asian, and we have black. All in our family.

That's going to be a very uncomfortable Christmas get-together. If I'm any of the things that the mainstream media and others have claimed that I am. It's going to be impossible to have that family get together. And when you move past that, and you stop trying to fight what they're calling you, and start pointing the fingers back, I don't worry about the attacks. I just keep throwing out more stuff and more stuff about the other side. And that's what we've seen in the last few weeks, the last few months. But the last few weeks in particular, Rick, everything that you and I have been saying for the last two to three years about COVID, about our elections, about everything that's going on in this country, has proven to be right time and time and time again. Truth does not need to cower.

Only the lie needs to cower. So the more truth I tell, the weaker it makes the lie. That's what my push has been. That's what I think that these churches need to do as well. But they won't. As long as they're comfortable and they fear losing that comfort, they'll remain doing exactly what they're doing currently. And so that's why it's almost impossible to get them to come and speak against the king, right? Tyranny. They can't speak truth to power because they still have something to lose. Here's the way I look at it. I'll wrap it all up.

When I died, I figured out I'd already lost it all. This was my second chance to make a difference. That's what I did. They haven't done that yet. They haven't realized that they've already lost. They haven't realized that all of their freedoms and all of their rights and all of their liberties are going to be stripped away from them because they're too complacent. And by the way, you and I talked about this, nobody's rights get ripped away from them or stolen. You give them away willingly out of convenience. Tim, do you see that because you were resuscitated, you had died in the hospital,

do you see that you were given more time and that what you're doing right now is you're doing your very best to make the most of that time that you've been given? Yes. What I've said, I say it and it sounds so arrogant when I say it. There's a reason why I'm here, Rick. I believe that in my heart and my soul. There's a reason why I'm here. Throughout my life, I've had so many, I got hit by a car when I was 10, caused all kinds of internal injuries. That was a mess that went on for six years. I was a hellion. My dad was an evangelical minister. You know, my friends were the sheriff's son and the principal's son. I was always in trouble. I was always pushing the envelope everywhere. And when I got into broadcasting, I was one of those guys,

I rose to the top very quickly. And I did not recognize what my abilities were. And I think for many years, I squandered the path that I was supposed to take because it was easier to go out and have fun and drink and do drugs and all the other fun stuff that you're supposed to do, you know, in that industry. Time and time again, I've gotten out of bad scrapes where I shouldn't have. So looking back on it now at almost 60 years old, I look back on my life now and start to reevaluate things that there's been a guiding hand in my life. My mom has said for a number of years that I have devil's luck. Devil's luck is that you're running across a field. Things seem to be going pretty good, but you trip on something and you're scraped up. Your elbows are scraped up. Your knees are

scraped up. It hurts. Your muscles and joints ache because of how hard you hit. And you've lost everything, right? You're sore. I mean, it's just terrible. And this is a parable for what happens in life, is that you lose everything. And then you go back and you look down. And what is that? Well, it's a big block of gold. And it's more valuable than anything you've ever had in your life. That's what I've done my entire life, is that time and time again, I follow my passion. I follow where my heart takes me and the financial part of it opens up eventually. Right. But that it takes all the suffering first.

And most people don't want to go through the suffering. They just don't want to do it. I follow my heart first. When you do that and you hate bullies, it makes it really easy to speak out and be that lightning rod. Rick, I'm already dead. You cannot do anything to me. You can't harm me. I'm a dead man walking. I've said it in my podcast many times. I should have been dead at 10 years old. Didn't die. I should have been dead when I was doing all the drugs I was doing back in the 80s. Didn't die. I should have been dead from a heart attack. Didn't die. I should have been dead on the table. How many times in your life have you died or come close to death and you keep coming back? There's a reason why I'm here. I don't know what that is,

but I've got to think that saying the truth and speaking the truth loudly without fear of the consequences is a step in the right direction. And that's what I call on all others to do, is that it's time. Our nation is lost unless the men and women of leadership, of all forms of leadership, start stepping up and saying, we're done. We're not doing this anymore. It's un-American and it's un-Christian. Tim, this didn't happen to us overnight. No. The godless left plotted and organized and schemed for decades. I i could go back in history you know you go

back 100 years or more they've been working towards this goal for a long long time they had to get into the education system they got into entertainment they you know they they infiltrated everything and i use the the analogy uh jesus the parable of the tares. And he said, there's a farmer who planted wheat. And while good men slept, the enemy came and sowed tares. Well, the parable tells us the enemy sowed the tares, the weeds, when good men were sleeping. And so in America for decades, good men and women politically and spiritually slept, enjoying the fruits of previous generations that had fought for freedom and liberty. And while we were sleeping, the enemy sowed tares well what happened is that in 2020

we suddenly realized the tares outnumber the wheat so the question is how do we how do we reclaim the country it's going to take decades if we survive as a country it's going to take decades if we survive as a country it's going to take decades because you have you have to you have to start with the children and and that's where i mean they're going after the children just yesterday over the weekend um um one of the pride parades you know there were i saw videos of of homosexuals shouting and singing we're coming after your children well we said that decades ago well you're a bigot no they're now saying what we warned that they were going to do okay so how how do we reclaim the country and how long is it going to take

um in my opinion the way that we reclaim the country is grow a backbone first. That has to happen first. I'll give you an example. There's this romanticism in this country about a 1776 revolution not going to happen. It's just too big. The nation is far too large. You've got to hit them in a different way. It's a different kind of war.

And the way that you hit them, Rick, is financially in their pocketbook. That's the only way that they feel any pain. That's what their control is. Everything that's happening right now on this planet is all about the money. That's where it's coming from. The power comes from the money that these men have. I think that the best way for people to start reacting is to start pulling their money out, is get out of BlackRock, get out of Vanguard, get out of Straight Street. Well, I'm going to have a penalty. That's what it costs you. That's the price of your freedom is that you're going to pay some higher taxes. You're going to get this penalty. If it's not worth that to you, if that's not worth it to you, then you don't have the guts to do what has to be done next. I've said it since COVID. If you didn't have the guts to tell

your boss, I'm not wearing a mask. If you didn't have the guts to tell your boss, I'm not taking the vaccine to keep my job. If you didn't have the guts to say, no, I don't want to go on that cruise so badly that I'll put this experimental drug in my arm. I don't want to go to the concert. If you don't have the guts to do that, you don't have the guts that it takes to speak up against your government. So there's going to be a small group of us, a small group of people that are very vocal, that are going to stand up initially.

I've made no secret in my podcast. I expect kinetic war in this nation before the 2024 election. I don't think that that's fear-mongering. I think it's based on, well, I know what it's based on. The war gaming that we've done, that's where it goes to time and time again. What do you mean?

What are you expecting, Tim? I think that what we saw in 2020 with the skirmishes of Black Lives Matter and Antifa on the streets of America, I think that those young people that did that then have only grown over the last two to three years. And they cannot allow, the powers that be, cannot allow, and this is left and right, right? Because we're not Democrats and Republicans anymore. We're fighting good against evil. That's what it is. I've got Democrat friends that are just as concerned about what's going on in this nation and seeing the slippery slope that we've been put on that has just been greased up with pig fat to where we're just sliding faster and faster and faster and faster towards hell. Towards the end of the world as we know it.

And that's not hyperbole. Look at where we are in just the last three years, that if you go to social media and you say that men are men and women are women, you're canceled. That's a biological scientific fact. You're canceled. If you've read any of the great works, if you read Ayn Rand, look at what's happening to us across the nation. What did Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged, what was one of the number one things that she talked about happening? The infrastructure would fail. But they would keep charging you these exorbitant amounts of money to say that they're going to fix the infrastructure.

We just passed $1.9 trillion for infrastructure. 9% of it goes to infrastructure, by the way. The rest of it goes to the Green New Deal. But we've got trains falling into rivers. The whole nation is falling apart. And we're supposed to pretend that everything is fine. Well, it doesn't, it's not fine. And the way that this changes, Rick, is when Americans start to say, I'm done. They pull their money out, they pull their resources out.

We've seen what's happened with Budweiser, we've seen what's happened with Target. But then Coors Light turns around and says, hey, hold my beer. We're going to endorse the LGBTQ community as well. And so you're not left any choices. The only solution that we have is to build a parallel economy and hope that that works. If it doesn't, kinetic action is the only thing that's left. We won't take it it's never been my contention contention that conservatives would take to the streets you know uh arm to the teeth and take

back the nation this fake narrative that the conservatives were at the capitol on january 6th to take the capitol over no we just wanted a fair hearing about what happened in the 2020 election that's the only reason that we were there on the Capitol grounds that day. It had nothing to do with taking the nation over, because if we wanted to, we would. So Tim, we have the power to do that. We have the authority to do that. The Constitution is very clear that when this government gets out of hand, we the people have the authority to disband it and start over. Look what they did. They criminalized even saying, even questioning the validity of election results. If you even say that an election was tainted, rigged, not straight, you can be deplatformed. You could actually be, I mean, we're seeing lawyers losing their law license.

I mean, they're being stripped of the right to practice law. You're seeing people losing their jobs for simply saying that, you know, I'm not sure that election was right. It was fair. I mean, the U.S. State Department does it every year around the world. We tell that nation and this nation, your election was rigged. We're going to send in observers. We do it all the time. You know, my solution, I think the state department should buy a truckload of Dominion voting machines and give them away around the world because we know that they can't be rigged. Right? Right. I mean, that's what we're told. Dominion voting machines cannot be tampered

with. So we, as the American people, we should insist that every're told dominion voting machines cannot be tampered with so we as the american people we should insist that every nation have dominion voting machine i mean i'm obviously being sarcastic but you can't you can't even question whether an election was fair or or corrupt what does that what does that say to you rick what is that when you when you can't talk about something what does that tell you as a human? That's exactly what has happened. If you can't talk about an election being rigged, then we know the elections are rigged. Rigged.

Again, think about it, right? The way that this is being played is no different than the rules on the playground in fifth grade where they're being made up on the fly. I was at the pool. I was at the pool on the playground in fifth grade where they're being made up on the fly i was at the pool was at the pool um on friday i think it was uh there in florida thanks so much by the way for uh for having me down it was a great trip um we're sitting at the pool and my wife and i are watching two boys in the pool play a game and a little girl comes up she's probably six or seven years old she walks up and starts implying new rules. And the boys, they finally, we're not doing that. No, we're not doing that. And she walked away. Now, the dynamics of what we saw there is no different than in our own lives.

When you say, no, I'm not doing that. No, I'm not going along with that. Then the bully comes out, right? Because that's what they have to do. And I keep going back to this. It is not any different than fifth or sixth grade. The bully comes out. The bully says, you're going to do what I told you to do. And the minions are standing around going, yeah, do what he says, do what he says. And they start calling you names.

They start laughing at you. Well, the minions are the mainstream media. Rick, it is no different than that and how did how did we deal with the bullies at least the way that i dealt with them is i learned that you had to smack them in the mouth from time to time nine times out of ten just ignoring them would be enough but when it got physical and they started to destroy things either one time a kid broke my glasses that was it sorry you don't get any more chances we're done and we just saw now and what i like to do is correlate things back and forth we just saw the president's son get a slap on the

wrist for crimes that if any of us had done them would be serving jail time that's no different than them breaking your glasses that's them throwing your their power in your face and saying deal with it what are you going to do now rick the question i've been asking everybody is if if you think that that's going to get any better if you think that things are going to get any better with the bully in charge look at history and tell me where it's happened where it's gotten better i'll wait and tim that plea bargain on those charges uh tax uh evasion and and a gun charge they were minor compared to the big crimes that the bidens have done i mean there's hard, concrete evidence that the entire Biden family is bought and paid for by foreign governments, including the China Communist Party. There's no outrage. There's nobody demanding accountability. And who are you going to go to? The FBI? The FBI is corrupt.

You're going to go to the Department of Justice? They're corrupt. You're going to go to the news media and expect the news media to do a hard hitting invest? No, they're corrupt, too. This is why the people feel frustrated. What do we do? Where do we turn? And I think a lot of citizens are on the verge of just giving up, saying it's too big. I don't know what to do. So what do you say to them? Look at what happened in Russia from the 1940s on. In particular, you know, in my age group, I remember all of the imagery of East Berlin, my entire childhood of East Berlin and how people were trying to escape. And you go, well, how did that happen? Well, the same thing that's happening here. People can just, a group of people, and by the way, the Nazi ideology is the ideology of the left. When Hitler was making his moves throughout Europe in the 1930s, he followed the actions dictated by the KKK, the Jim Crow laws. That's how they started the actions in Germany against the Jews in particular, but not just the Jews, the Romanians, those with mental issues, the LGBTQ community. Every group that they could identify and separate

they identified them they separated them and then they made one part uh you know good one part bad and then that allowed the the the uh community to be able to become a tribe tribal you know tribalism and attack they he he formed these these minions mal did the same exact thing in china the tactics that the left has used in this country have been used by every marxist nazi dictator on the planet where they they go in and they they separate the people into these groups and then they justify why that group can be hated and oh that's not what they do well it just happened with russia and ukraine when facebook lifted its restrictions on the hateful things that you could say about

russians you could call for the death of russians so and so tim i i don't think it's a coincidence that the left is uh using the tactics of hitler and mao zi tong i. I think the left, the leaders are well-trained in these tactics. Because they work. Yes, but we're up against the same enemy. It doesn't matter which decade. It's the same enemy.

And everywhere they came to power, there was mass death and destruction. Every time. So why would we tell ourselves if this group in America gets total control, there won't be death and destruction? That defies history. They slaughter people. They destroy churches. They imprison pastors. They're tyrants. And we have to stop these people. Well, and Rick, here's the thing. When you say these things out loud, and I'm going to tie some- We're saying it out loud.

We're saying it out loud. We're the ones being attacked being attacked right it's not me it's it's not our side right the conservative valued people that just had a professor who was part of the clinton campaign arrested in a park for performing bestiality that wasn't our side we didn't do that now you won hear a big, big brouhaha in the media about it because it wasn't a conservative. If it was conservative doing that, having sexual relationships with his dog in the park, walking around nude with just a mask on. He had a ski mask on walking around this park, this dog walk park nude. Tim, that's the next phase. That's the next movement that they're going to bring to America. They're going to demand the legalization of bestiality. Yep.

And when you say that out loud, when you say that out loud, you're called crazy. But years ago, when the issue of marriage for the gay community came through, what we said, and I still stand by that, is that marriage is a sacrament of the church. It has nothing to do with the state. Nothing at all. The state made it about them for legal issues if you're going to issue a divorce or whatever, right? We said then that if you allow gays to get married, you can go through and do a union.

You can do a civil union, make it legal. But if you call it marriage, the next thing they'll go after is the kids. We were called crazy. And as soon as it happened, where'd they go after? They went after the kids. It doesn't take too much of a brainiac to understand that if you give some people an inch, they'll take a mile. They said that it was the right of women to abort a child. That's their right. That's what they said. And they only wanted it for the first trimester. If you'll just give us the first trimester, then that's all we need. We can get it taken care of. And over the last 50 years, Rick,

that has gone from the first trimester to all the way to the day of birth. And in California, a bill was put forward that would allow a mother and father to accidentally kill their child or their child could accidentally die in the first 28 days and no questions would be asked. It amazes me that this party is not seen for who they are. If they're not wanting to kill children, they're wanting to molest them. That's my takeaway from what I see right now. That's good versus evil. It is. And people have taken a political ideology and they've turned,

they've taken evil and turned it into a political flag to wave, literally. Tim, in the remaining minutes, I want to ask you about the Biden scandals. What has come out in recent weeks, particularly last week, it's mind-boggling. The evidence that's there, the whistleblowers are coming forward, the corruption that's covering up what Biden has been doing for years. Is he going to get away with it, or is the day of judgment coming for Joe and Hunter Biden? Politiden politically what do you think is going to happen i um

well we work we do a lot of war gaming so the groups that i work with um we do a lot of war gaming on these subjects and um let's use common sense uh those who are in power do they ever relent that power willingly no they don't um those in power that have sins do they always try to cover up those sins so the public doesn't know of course yes well they go after their enemies all the way up to killing them. Yes. Okay. Because things haven't changed. If you think that the leadership today isn't the same as a king 1,500 years ago having ultimate power, if you don't think that they're using this ultimate power for evil, you'd be a little naive.

I don't see, Rick, how they allow the 2024 election to happen. I just don't see how they do it. Because they can't risk the result. They can't risk the result of Trump coming back in. The polls show who's ahead. The polls show who's behind. The polls show where the thought of the nation is of saying that we're on the 76% of the people in this saying that we're on 76 percent of the people in this nation say we're on the wrong path that's democrats and republicans coming together say hey listen this isn't the america that i that i grew up in so if that's happening right now if that's the nature of the the nation that's the way that the american people are thinking they're not going to allow rfk to come in they're not going to allow trump to to come in. They're not going to allow Trump to come in and start messing with the boat again.

I just don't see how it happens. So there's going to have to be something. I thought maybe this coup in Russia would be the start of it. But what I think is going to happen is that there's two or three scenarios that we continue to see that come through the war games. They have to release Antifa and Black Lives Matter back onto the streets again to control. They just have to do it. They've got to squash dissent. They can't let Donald Trump or any other Republican or conservative come forward and rise up through the ranks and have a voice.

So they're going to squash everything that they can. They're gonna try to seem more powerful than they are. Again, these are the bullies working. These are the tactics of the bully. They don't change just because the scale changes. So they'll come after anybody who has a voice. You're one, I'm one, Trump was one. Anybody who's speaking truth to power, they're gonna have a problem with. And so they're going to try and attack them in the media first, and then physically as the ultimate, they don't have anything left but violence. That's all they have. Luckily, and I hope the American public starts to wake up and

realize that there should be a takeaway that we get from Kyle Rittenhouse. You don't have to step back and be tyrannized. You don't have to take it. You have the right to protect your community. You have the right to protect your life. They will try to tell you otherwise, but our rights are inalienable. They can't be taken away from us. They cannot be voted away.

You can't get 99% of the people to come and take my rights. They're mine. And so they have to understand that part of it first. And if they don't stand, Rick, if they don't stand against this tyranny, it's only going to get worse. Knowing that these criminals are cornered, they are liable to do anything. So again, I don't think we'll have a 2024 election. I may be wrong. I may be wrong. I thought there were going to be more issues with 2022. But I definitely do not think we'll see a 2024 election in the way that we've seen it before. And people that go, oh,

Kramer, that's not, you're wrong. If you remember what we saw happen in 2020, how many laws were broken and how many unconstitutional activities took place to place Joe Biden into office. What happened in Pennsylvania was unconstitutional. What happened in Wisconsin was unconstitutional. The results that we saw around the country that we can't ask about, that's unconstitutional. I've never seen an election that was secure that you can't question. I just haven't. So again, to answer your question, I don't think that things change unless people want change.

And I think that the evidence is right in front of us. We have to see it for what it is. The Democrat Party, Rick, has decided no debate. No debate of their platform is necessary we've decided what it is it's done deal with it that's the bully so do i think the 2024 election i don't see how we have one i just don't see how we do it all right i'm gonna i'm gonna toss all right i'm gonna toss out a scenario because i think the 2022 elections were were thrown also. The Republicans should have taken 80, 90 seats in the House, five or six Senate seats. Oh, come on. That was a weird

election. It defied historical patterns. This is what I'm watching for. I'm not saying that it's going to happen. I'm just saying I'm watching for this. That Kamala Harris is either going to be offered some prestigious promotion. I don't know what it is. University president, some grand position. She's going to resign. Or she's going to have a scandal like spiro agnew all right they just suddenly discovered a scandal on spiro agnew or the worst case is she has an accident and and she she she's gone okay they then they replace kamala harris with the person that they want to be the Democratic nominee in 24. And then later, Joe Biden, the family intervenes and says, Pop's got dementia. And we've talked to him and he understands that he can't run. And then the vice president moves up into the White House, and then they bring in a new vice president, and there's your Democratic ticket for 2024. That's what I'm watching for. I think that's the maneuver that they'll make rather than all-out physical combat.

But even going into 2024, they're not going to allow debate. They're not going to allow anybody to challenge them. They'll do all the things that you just said, but I think they're going to get their team in place because Biden is so, so damaged. And everybody knows he's not running the White House. He's a figurehead, all right? They got to get him out of there. He was a placeholder just to get Trump out. So now they've done it, and they've got to make sure. Now they'll remove him so that Trump doesn't get back in. They're going to use him.

So if that scenario is accurate, the two names, well, I would say three names for a replacement to Kamala Harris. Michigan Governor Whitmer, and she's pretty evil. Gavin Newsom in California. But I think the top choice would be michelle obama and and then michelle moves up to become president sometime in 2024 and she's leading the ticket and now you have the the real president barack obama i think he's the one running the white house right now him and susan rice he's susan yeah because susan remember we were told during the obama that Susan Rice was Obama's brain. Right. And do you know her communist connections? She had quite extensive communist connections.

So I think they'll move Michael, I mean, Michelle, up into the vice presidency and then into the White House. And I think we'll be facing a campaign of President Obama in 2024. I'm there with you. I'm there with you. I don't think it'll be Michelle, though. I think it'll be the other way around. I think they'll flip it. I think that they'll run.

I think they'll put Gavin in because he has real government experience. I think they'll put him at the top of the ticket. And I think that they'll put Michelle in at the bottom. I think that that's how they'll bring'll bring this around well that's another possibility i i think anything but that's what i'm watching for because i can't see how they go into 24 with joe biden it's me first of all he can't even find his way off the stage right it's so embarrassing that you know that they're humiliated by him. They can't let this go on. The country's laughing at him, you know, so they got to do something with him. But a family intervention would be the the way that they'll just ease him off the stage.

And he goes, you know, he was so senile. He didn't know he was taking that Chinese money. You know, it's just put him away, you know, let him rest. Tim, how can our True News base, how can they follow you online? Where can they find you? Everywhere. If you search for Kramer Says, C-R-A-M-E-R-S-E-Z, you can find me on Instagram, Twitter, and so on. You can find a lot of content that I have on TikTok. I don't have an account on TikTok right now, find a lot of content that I have on TikTok.

I don't have an account on TikTok right now, but I will be going back up shortly on TikTok. I've been battling with them. I've been through 97 accounts, Rick. You've been banned 97 times? 97 times on TikTok. 97 times. All I talk about is your rights and the Constitution and what they're doing and what they're likely to do and the strategy behind what they're doing.

One of the things that I've done, Rick, is I've read all of their books. So Rules for Radicals is a great example. When you take Rules for Radicals and you understand what they're doing and you tie that together with Sun Tzu's Art of War, all of a sudden you start building a battle plan. And that's what I've been doing on social media.

So those are the places you can find me, YouTube, Rumble, all of the regulars. But I implore people, if you're looking for a safe space for free speech, go to KramerSays.com, C-R-A-M-E-R-S-E-Z.com. Take a look at it. It's a platform that we built. It's a dual economy platform. We just started taking on advertisers and so on. So we're looking to build the platforms where free speech can happen. It's amazing to me. We have a moderation system in place, Rick. And guess what? We've only had to use it one time against a guy who would like to go in and flirt with the ladies. Otherwise, we'd have a problem with moderation, right? Because we're not trying to limit people's

speech. They have the ability to come and speak freely and share their ideas and thoughts, build groups, build communities. I think that that's how we win, is by realizing that we're not alone out here, Rick. Because that we're not islands, is that there is a community that feels the same way, looks at things the same way that we do. And so I wanted to bring those together, similar to what you're doing, and start giving people a voice. When they think that they have a voice, they're much less likely to be told to take a knee. They just won't do it. Well, Tim, you and I have a like spirit,

and I applaud you for your courage and outspokenness, and I'm excited that True News and your company are working together, and I'm looking forward to an exciting year ahead. Tim Kramer, thank you for being here with us today, Tim. We'll talk to you another time. Take care. That's it for today for True News. Doc and I will be back tomorrow. God bless.

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