Trusty Hogs - Ep12. RIA LINA / Vaccines, Vocabulary & Vaginas

Episode Date: December 16, 2021

Ria Lina joins us in the Hogs studio this week for a very timely episode all about vaccines, variants, vocabulary, vows, and a lot of other V words. Chloe Petts is guest host in place of the Corona stricken Helen, but we have a lot of fun and learn a LOT...Thank you so much for listening! Support us at https://www.patreon.com/TrustyHogs for exclusive bonus content, merch, and more! Trust us with your own problems and questions... [e-mail] Please give us a follow @TrustyHogs on all socials Be sure to subscribe and rate us (unless you don’t like these little piggies - 5 Stars only!)Thank you to our Patreon supporters...EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Simon Moores / Guy Goodman / Janinna BautistaPRODUCERS: Richard Bicknell / SBDubz / Elle / Richard Bald / Neil Redmond / Victoria Hutchison / Emma Walton / Karen Bull / Harald van Dijk / Kierah Leach / Tim & Dom / David Walker / Rachel R / Lee Myerscough / Anthony Conway / Sadie Cashmore / Claire Owen-Jones / Kim Dubhghaill / Jess & Nick / Zoë / Jo Holmes / Caitlyn Lyth / Aideen McQueen / Sarah & Molly / Carrig Duke Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello. Welcome to episode 12. Thank you, Andrew, 12 of Trustee Hogs. Big news in the Hogs Hi, I'm Helen Bauer. It's me, Helen Bauer. I'll put my chin on your head. It's not Helen Bauer. I'm puzzling. It's not Helen Bauer. Who is it? Oh my God, I hate that friend. Sorry. It's okay. That was like, I gave me PTSD. So the big news of the hog studio is poor Helen Bauer has COVID. Tested positive on the PCR. But I'm here anyway. No, it's not her. She got it from her

housemates, Sunil, who we will here, henceforth, be feuding with, as Helen was. But in Helen's stead, the person doing, frankly, a poor imitation.

That was quite bad. Let's hope that doesn't ring true for the entire episode. It's the one and only. Chloe pets, welcome. Hello, thanks for having me. Helen facetined me this morning and said, like really sweetly like oh thank you so much for covering me on drusty hogs like i honestly mean so much

like it's so great and then she said if you say anything about me i will fucking destroy you and then i was like what if i say like things verbatim that you have said like that can't be considered to be bullying and she was like yeah but it will be because we all know that i'm a person that you very much need context for that is true helen barris summed up in a sentence you very much need context but like i didn't expect that much like insight into her own selfhood Like, she was very good at sort of analyzing herself. Yeah, she is weirdly, like, self-aware. She just continues to do the things that she's self-aware about anyway.

Reader, she persisted. Again, a very other Helen Bauer sentence. Through the fog, step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah, you're going to give them your problems and they will solve them. Or maybe they won't. your problem they'll have guests and Andrew White

on the tech oh it's Helen and Catherine and the trusty hogs trust the trusty hogs or maybe not Welcome Thanks for having me Thanks for being here

Episode 12 It's an interesting one We had a guest really We've already interviewed her Yeah Oh I would say Poor Rialina who is a comedian who is a comedian and very funny woman in her own right,

came in here, told us, well, I told everyone she was a virologist, and Chloe Petz and I asked, non-stop questions about COVID? Yeah, it's one of those things where, like, you know, every two years. I'm just so sorry, Chloe, you were just interrupted there. By Andrew trying to open his food? Oh, and now you can't even speak because he's mouthful? Andrew, just wait for your lunch until after the podcast.

He might be hungry. It's quite late in the afternoon. I've just seen him pounded a pizza swirl. He's not that hungry. That was my snack. Stop saying snack with a full mouth. You also can't have a snack that close to lunch and call it a snack. You're just having a large lunch.

Yeah. It's a starter, sorry, a starter then. A starter, yeah. Andrew, wait for the main. A gateway swirled. What's going on? Sorry. Wow, professionalism is a dead trade apparently.

Honestly, Andrew. Didn't mind when I brought you that sparkling water there, did you? to share but equally I haven't been doing this when Chloe's been speaking even if I did that wasn't very loud you decided to have the loudest lunch

in the world Andrew so behave yourself can I open this while we're having an amnesty then we're not having an amnesty I forbid it come on she can pass to amnesty thank you very much

is it open you're welcome can you too quietly yeah I'll tell my mic off now honestly it's a very soft food I think you'll be fine yeah but the packaging was loud wasn't it

very rustly actually obnoxious, if anything, exhibiting your male privilege over there, are we? Okay, so episode 12, we asked loads of questions about COVID, so we just want to give a warning to say that. Oh, there's a fuck ton of COVID. But I feel like it must be, like, so difficult, well, not even difficult for real, you know, as a football fan, once every two years, when a major football tournament comes around and everyone's into it, people will be, like, I'll go on to a comedy podcast and everyone will, like,

ask me so many football questions. Yeah. When the pandemic came, as a comedian virologist, she. She must have been like, my time has come. Yeah, fair enough. But I just wanted to flag that also, but also I think it was really useful and really helpful. I've been anxious and you've been anxious

and we got a load of questions out and it was helpful. Look, at the end of the day, we feel better, but it doesn't necessarily mean the listener will. We can only hope. And also, we're a podcast. We're not your mom. So what do you want from us? But if you're, like, stressed out by the current situation about things

and you don't want to hear it, then just listen to this bit where I continue to pretend to be Helen Bauer and then maybe listen to the realina bit when you're feeling like... But if you're stressed out and information makes you feel less stress, like me then listen and also we're so funny in it I cannot explain to you how hilarious

we are multiple applause breaks you're dead chat multiple applause breaks we also I think we probably have yeah change the future of British podcasting if anything

you know something Clypeth it's really nice to be doing an actual podcast with you because the last time we podcasted together I don't know if you remember do you remember it? Yeah I remember okay

What did I do wrong? It feels like your tone is that I did something wrong. Oh, no, no, no. I didn't mean as a guest on Trustee Hogs before that. Do you know when we last podcasted together? No. Yes, I know. What, no, I don't.

Hang on. Twas the year 2017, I believe. We went to a gig in Canal Street in Manchester. I was on the bill, as was Chloe Pence. I spoke about being... Oh, my God! I spoke about being bisexual. A police officer in the front row said,

make up your mind. I said, if anything is not made up its mind in this room, it's your hair cut. She had a mullet, but not my finest moment. Honestly, such a good. She got up out of her chair

and went to come for me. Chloe Petz went to come for her, which was very exciting, like night and shining armor. As it was, her police officer friends were like, sit down, she sat down, and then she left to the break.

That was but the beginning of our trouble. What did it say about the amount of conflict that I've been that I don't even remember this. Really? Yeah, okay. It was very exciting because I saw her coming from me and I knew she was a police officer because I'd already ascertained it. And she hated me because I wasn't impressed.

And then, if anything, I was quite mean about it. And then I saw her come from me, but behind her, I saw you come for her and I was like, I'm fine, my big friends coming to get to you. Oh, that's so funny. I really can't remember that. Did I shout, did I come towards like,

hey, cat a bitch, like that? No, actually it was much more like, oi oi and so very very high pitch you and hazel were coming so it's fine to help to save me so you were both just like oi oi and I was like I'm going to be okay anyway the police

officer's friend got her to sit down yeah and that was but the beginning of our troubles oh yeah and by the way yes I am going to get to how we podcasted so wait for it so 2017 it's December November

I had to be back for something the next morning and I can't remember what it was. Yeah, yeah. So we decided to drive back from Manchester. It was fine. We were doing a car share because my housemate Adele drove us back to London. Do you remember that?

Yes, I do remember that. And we head off, we think, okay, we left Manchester at 10.30. But that's fine. It was going to be a brutally late night, but we were going to get in at, what, 2.30, I think you thought. And look, look, I will say I'm very charismatic on a car journey. I really come into my own. You emceed the hell out of that car journey.

And I, like your doting wife, provided snacks. Yeah, really nice snacks. Not like pizza swirls followed by chicken pasta salads, Andrew, but actual snacks for the group. So I accommodated, you hosted, we were fine.

That was the night that you mispronounced Fouton. Oh my God, we were in the car a couple of hours in and Chloe Petz just randomly starts talking about a Futon and didn't understand that she was wrong. It's not my fault

because I honestly think what you're saying is so classic. because I never, I didn't even know what. Are you trying to make out that futeons are a posh people thing? Yeah. Posh people don't need futons, Chloe. They have spare rooms. No, but I didn't.

Don't even try to make this a class war. Don't you dare. I'd only ever seen the word written down. I didn't know what it was until maybe like one year previous to that in 2016. That's because your life's fine. If your life was actually hard, you'd know what a futon was. Yeah, no. So then I read it and was like, futon.

To me that sounds like, the right way to say it Kung Fu. No, and we did all of this in that car. We did so much of this and do you know what? It would have been absolutely fine

and I would have sucked it up and thought it was the funniest thing in the world but then what happened. And it would have been funny except while we mocked Chloe It would have been funey. I love that you remember this better than preparing

to punch a police woman. No, I can't tell you how many versions of it we did. Like it went. on for a long time. Anyway, it was really painful. Yeah, so we get past the Futon business, but as

this happens, we're on the motorway and it begins to snow heavily, like big time snow. Like the worst snow I've ever seen in the UK while I've lived here. Look, I don't mean to undermine the experiences of women and I hear you

and I wish to validate your experience, but really? Did it snow? Why do you think we were stuck in the traffic? Because it was a multi-car pile up in front of us. No, Chloe. It was because of the snow. I'm the multi-car pile up because they slid on the snow. And snow.

Oh, I forgot about that. It was massively snowing. It was snowing. I know this because the next night I had a gig at Angel. Oh. Yeah, so I remember the snow now, yeah. Now I know why it was cold when I pissed on the sign of the moment away. I think you just made me like have a memory that I don't even possess.

I don't even know if there was a multi-car pile up. There was a multi-car pilot, because we were quite near the front. This is why women are terrible at supporting women. I think both were true. Both can be true, but it was snowing heavily. Yeah. I know this because Adele kept the car battery on, even though we were stud still for so long because it was freezing.

Yeah. Also Adele, who I adore, and who drove the whole time, had a small car. So we were all cramped and warm and cold. And anyway, the worst part about it was, we kept having updates on the traffic being like oh it'll move here it'll move here it'll move here we got back to london having left manchester at 10.30 at 9 a.m. the next morning we were in a car 10 and a half hours you can understand that the futon bit wore it wore it wore also bear in mind I can't pee in public I have OCD I find it very difficult Chloe and the other

other people in the car could manage somehow to pee in front of the drivers on the motorway, something I couldn't do. Look, give the boys a shirt. No, listen. And you did. In fact, I think you said, all right, boys, here's the show. And so I was like. Front or back.

Yeah. But by the time we got back, I hadn't peed in so long. Again, like, maybe I did know that that was sort of a meta-narrative at the time, but I didn't notice. Yeah, yeah. So I hadn't peed. It was a lot. Chloe was like really like the futon stuff had gotten too much

for Chloe. Poor Adele was driving the whole time. Right. Even though I punched a police officer that evening. You didn't? No, I did. The real the real hero of that story is Adele Cliff. Oh my God 100%. She didn't fall asleep for one minute but she drove her so safely and so beautifully.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was unbelievable. And there was like there were two and a half hour period, two and a half hours where we didn't move on the motorway. We just stood still. And then what happened in that two and a half hour period at some point in that evening we were like this is amazing banter the banter was so fresh the banter here is amazing we were so tired so tired and so hopeless and so tired we were like this is the best banter anyone's ever had yeah let's record this

as a podcast. So it takes 10 hours in a confined space going mental to get into the same mindset as every male open mic or abyss. Say I, a woman with her second podcast in two years. Anyway,

so we're like, we should record this. Futant, Furi, Furious, let's do this. Fugue, let's do this. Fug, isn't that how you pronounce? Yes, Andrew Fugg. It was really bad.

Honestly, it was one of the worst things I've ever heard. And I think Adele still has it on her phone. And it's like it's going to get released at some point in our... We went mad. We went mad. I was so full of urine. We went mad, which would have been fine if it had been funny. But integrally, I think it was like painfully cringe-worthy.

Oh, it was incredibly tired people. Yeah. Desperate to get home. One of whom was full of piss. Absolutely. full and we were all just broken we were just broken it was bad it was really really

bad we ration the we ration the snacks but I obviously like ate all of mine within two minutes I'm hungry are we there yet can I have the rest of your snacks I've never hated people as much as when you all got back in the car having peed I was like I actually can't speak to them

I hate them so much like I was in physical pain it was so bad and I remember the thing it's funny that you should say it wasn't funny because we never listened back at least I didn't because it was like one of those things where as soon as I had some sleep I woke up my first thought was oh that'll be bad delete the tapes delete the tapes that's terrible that's the last time we podcasted together well it's really nice that we're beautiful having the same exactly the same experience now all of this absolutely fucking unlistenable yes thank you for sticking with us stay tuned for realina Thank you so much to our executive producers. I can't believe we now have three. Honestly, we're so grateful to you. Thank you to Janina Batista, Guy Goodman and Simon Moors. Janina's new.

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Thank you Fake your no knowledge again What did you just say really? I said I want this to be the episode Of the three Vs The three Vs The three Vs That's your challenge

reference given that I've listened to every single episode and we're a guest of one were you not yeah yeah thank you rhea I love this what happened every white goes to such effort yeah such effort to name each one and each one has its own name so like so yeah I know that it has its own name but and each name is like they all start with the same way yeah oh okay it's just that styes and what was it just that I only remember Sophie duker with styes sex parties sex parties Yeah, but Sties is the one that's stuck with me. It would have been good if you'd gone through the alphabet in order. I would have respected that more.

Wow. Look, I'm showing off she knows her alphabet. Someone knows her alphabet. I'm here to be antagonistic. It should have been Greek alphabet as well, really, to just keep it topical. Well, I think it would be so cool if we did get the three Bs. Vrology will obviously discuss. Let's see what else comes up really, you know.

Okay. Oh, no. Oh, I thought you'd pick. Have you not picked the three Vs? No, I don't provide it. Oh, you don't pre-pick. Okay. And I write down the three-pick.

things. I was going to say that would be funny if the man told us which to discuss it. That was an agenda. Well, her vagina. No, it's reactive. It's not prescriptive. Hello, thank you for being here. Pleasure. Are we allowed to have this in range? You most certainly are yet. Nobody's sponsoring or gives a shit.

Thank you so much for this. You're welcome for the coffee. I was just asking you both if you'd had your Oh, what is it? Oh, actually, you sent us for your order and Chloe Pets and I were like, that's not a real thing. I was fucking fuming. Yeah, Chloe said no. No, I didn't, well, no, I did initially say No, and then I said, we're going to turn up. We're going to ask the barista for this drink.

And they're going to be like, it doesn't exist. That's not a drink. And then I'm going to just have the last laugh and laugh on the podcast going, I can't believe you ordered that. Something like that. No, it is. And she smelled it. And what did you say?

Smells hella Christmas. Oh, does it? Have you smelled it? Big Christmas vibe. No, but should we be sticking our noses in your coffee? Well, don't breathe out. Only breathe in. Okay.

Wait. Well, I've had my booster. I want to breathe into your nose. Breathe in. Oh, my God. It smells. like a mince pie. Yeah, baby.

It's an almond chai tea latte. Which you can have with any milk, but I have it with almond because we're in a very small room and I didn't want this to get uncomfortable. Farting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're there already. Fascinating. I thought Chloe Pets would take us there, but I thought it would wait a minute.

Bowers, um, Bowers not here. So someone needs to fart. No, nobody needs to fart. It's a small room. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Here we go. Sorry.

Can we just not? But here's the thing I asked you. beforehand had you had your booster. You've had your booster. I've had my booster. Chloe and I have not had our booster. And Chloe asked a question, which I was going to ask, which is, does it matter which one? Because I got Pfizer. I got Moderna, baby. Okay. Really? How in the world did you get Moderna? Do you live in like, where do you live? Is that rare? Yeah. Moderna's rare. Well, okay, Pfizer and Medina are up there together. There's obviously a lot more research about Pfizer because way more people have it. But Moderna is like the Dolly Parton one. So, you know, if you want to

put dolly in your veins yeah put her in me nine to five yeah now they said um the the i had like quite a charismatic person who stabbed me and she was like moderner it's it's great it's the more modern one it's like fyser but okay just because it's in the name doesn't mean she was shitting me as well well i no but they're very similarly made Pfizer and maderner have the very similar technology but my one's a bit better well like i said because because because not as many people have had it we don't have we don't have we don't have data okay to say but it's not the booster we don't have to get the same one that we got before well actually that's interesting because they've shown that if you had astrozenica before and then you get a Pfizer booster we're seeing a lot of

good stuff happening in the body from that oh yeah but it's not bad thing I had Pfizer and then and then I had Pfizer again so I've had three fysers and part of who's like oh I want like you know I like I like I like that's kind of you know I don't dress one tone I like lots of colors I like different things. It feels like nice revenge, though, for the people who got AstraZeneca when, like, that was seen like the bad. It's like a nice happy ending. It's sort of like a nice coder to be able to go, guess what?

Once we give you Pfizer, boom, you're in good shape. Why is it so good to have like a cocktail of vaccines within your blood? Because they have, they, it's challenging the immune system in slightly different ways. Oh, yeah, really good. We did not introduce Rhea properly. Really nice, an incredible comic, but also a virologist. scientist. No, a virologist, an actual PhD holding. She's been down a Wikipedia hole. No, a PhD holding virologist, who in fact knows what the hell she's talking about.

I know, she's not wrong. I got my degree online just at the beginning of the pandemic. You can just sign up for them, degreesonline.com. Oh, I was like, no, you got, oh, God, we're all doomed. No, I did get it a while ago. You explained. Different viruses, though. I should be clear. I studied herpes viruses. You did. I did. And they're all interchangeable, isn't it?

No. Well, would you like to interchange those? I don't know. Well, actually, that's a good choice. Good question. Would you rather have herpes or coronavirus? Corona because you get over it. Well, well, long COVID, some people suffer from long COVID.

Some people die. Okay, I hear what you're saying. I didn't think it's true. I thought I thought about the best possible version of both. You're not wrong with the herpes in that. Herpes isn't just herpes. Herpes is also things like chickenpox. So we all probably have already had a form.

of herpes. And that's the correct answer, both. Where's the camera? Is the correct answer herpes? I like both. I suppose the correct answer is overall, can we be a little bit more hygienic and honest if you have STDs and don't just shag someone

because you think they don't need to know? I think that's the real answer, isn't it? I think at the beginning of every trusty hogs from here on in you have to have a STD amnesty and the guest has to say whether they have an STD. I am so looking forward to the after party Which is really why I'm here I think we're getting a lot better at that though

You know I think people generally do own when they have Or maybe maybe just like you know what I haven't been on the dating circuit in so long I have no idea I feel like you're judging it by some 90s standards there Okay that would have been illegal dating on my part But let's just say early 2000s

Okay I'm sorry for aging you more than I'm into You know it is every time really And it tells me what age she is I, it's so unfathomable to me that I make you older and older in my head because I'm like, can you believe really and really and it's actually a hundred years old? She's 83.

Yeah, she looks so good. I'm sorry. Also, you make it sound like it was a million years ago when you were dating. Well, just because you get married and then you don't date again, do you? And it was different. It was a different time.

It's a safe space. You can date sometimes when you're married. If you're in an open room. If that's what you want. Oh, I see. Oh, I would check with your partner first. Oh, yeah, do ask. That's what, you know what?

what drives me nuts about marriage is that up until you get married this is this was my issue in my marriage up until you get married it's your choice who you share your body with the moment you get married it's up to them who you share your body with but it doesn't actually have to be like I find that so strange when like what people like after they get married like I like well that's just like one more penis or one more vagina for me for the rest of my life and it's like it's I think it's like a really interesting headspace to be in to to think that you're then like bound to that

person for life because of this like sort of piece of paper it is it is a it is a crazy concept for the world we're living in now yeah it made sense earlier it made sense when you all lived in villages and didn't travel as much and you know you had shared experiences and you went home and and the only television you watched was what was ever on at that time yeah whereas even now in relationships you each have your own phone which has its own algorithm designed for you and so many sexy people on it yeah and also we live so long we live so long but also just that algorithm separates you as people because you're not doing shared experiences anymore the same way that you would have you know our parents did and so we're

evolving away from each other so I'm more and more in that sort of seven years eight years that's a good time to be with someone then you go we're different now let's either renew that contract or move on yeah that's nice or just like just like just be like should we just have like a just like a small consensual affair yeah just to like get the inspiration back into our bodies and then come back to each other you know or should we have a third or shall we both sleep around or shall we go to sex parties? I think that we're at a place now

where people need to be. I think that monogamy doesn't work as well. I don't think monogamy ever worked as well as it was positive it did. It's just that people did these things in secret and now people are having those conversations out loud. I don't like it's not like the 21st century didn't invent affairs or non-monogamy.

People just broke the trust, right? And now people are actually talking about it. Well, maybe it's the other way around. Maybe it's the fact that with the 20th century came in this concept of marrying for love more than had ever existed before. Because before when you had like your arranged marriages, kings and queens would be like,

well, you will have my children, but then after that, you have your little thing, I'll have my little thing, and we won't talk about it. You know, as long as my children are my children, because they weren't marrying for love, they were marrying for power and everything else. And I think in some ways, you know, it was different, wasn't it?

And now we brought love in, and then it became, oh, you've betrayed me. You go, but the kids are yours. Yeah, but you've betrayed me. Love is supposed to be enough to keep us together forever. I love that answer. I'm just giving it a sport. Yeah, it's really interesting.

Very interesting. Sorry, I'm in a very weird. I think this is coming from my weird place. Has you married? Hey. Can I ask an excellent question first? Sure. Can I ask one?

Why are you here? Can we just address that? Oh, wow. Wow. Savage. Okay. Should have said... I'm loving this.

I'm enjoying this very much. Helen has Corona. Does she? Yeah. And you don't. Well, you're winning. You're winning. You're winning.

You had a question and then I very rudely when you're not Helen. We've got three strains of possibility that we could go down. One of them was that we were talking about why I'm here. Helen's got coronavirus. Do we know if she has the Omicron? We don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

Did she test positive on a lateral flow or a PCR? PCR. She definitely got Rona. Oh my gosh. Is she okay? She seems fine. Nothing can shake that woman. A lot of Instagram stories.

She's making puzzles. She's sturdy as fuck. Yeah, she's a stable lady. Okay. She's going to be fine. Okay, good. I'm her second in command because we're both six foot and disgusting. That's why.

Yeah. Those were your requirements for the podcast. Bringing the hogs part of trusty hogs. Got it. Okay. And then the second line that we was going to go down was my excellent question. Yeah, what's your excellent question? And I actually have forgotten it.

No. Oh, I'm sorry. That is totally. Is there anything worth? It's my fault. So we were talking about like affairs. And you know that sometimes you're affairs because you're like bored within your relationship and you want to sort of like shake things up.

You're not getting enough from your partner, blah, blah, blah. But sometimes it's because it's like people are like indulging, particularly men in like that transgression and like they're getting off on the secretiveness and off on the like interplay of power, blah, blah, blah. That's why, you know, it's often with sort of a secretary. So do you think there's a world in which we, as things start to become more open, people will start finding different ways to be transgressive

because if an affair isn't, like, taboo, what will they do instead? But I think that happens already, even in open relationships and non-monogamous relationships, often those, so those require an awful lot of communication and setting boundaries and rules that are just different to those of like old school monogamy. Those rules are still breachable. I think people just do that instead to break those rules.

So if it's like, you can only see the same person three times, it's seeing them more than that. Or like never see an X, that kind of thing. Yeah, okay. Interesting. Question, excellent question, answered excellently. I think also we see it in porn. I think that, you know, the more access that younger people have to more extreme,

extreme versions of porn, the more that we're seeing in teenagers. And this is why we're focusing on teenage education a lot more in schools, about relationships and how to be in a healthy relationship. is because they're having such access to hardcore porn that when they get to the bedroom, they think that hardcore porn is sex. And so they're going, you know, and that's where we're seeing boundaries pushed.

And when we look at people in power and we look at, you know, we sort of, we already conflate people in power with sexual perversion. And that's because when you get to a certain point, you have to get pushed, you know, further and further to get your rocks off and things like that.

We see that. When you're in power, when you're rich and you can have everything or pay for everything, then it takes these real extremes to push those boundaries, which is why I'm here today to talk to you about...

All the power of trusty hogs has gone into our head. Okay, so to go back to boosters, which is actually what I wanted to ask about. I believe it or not a strain of conversation that we can go down. She's very good, isn't she?

She keeps it all in order. Keeping notes. I have net... I mean, are you supposed to be here to replace? Hell and no, because it feels like if anything, it's like hanging out with a world type mean.

It's like an audition. Let's keep on track, shall be. No, no, no. I think the problem is... If I don't see your tits by the end of this, she's not... Oh, I'm going to be balancing one on your head. That's the... That's the Bower move.

Does she do that? Oh, yeah. She lifts it up and then pop... Helen just pops it on your head. She lets go, like, boom. So, like, I'm the scale. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, can I at least come back just for that experience? Like, I mean, I will enjoy yours, but I feel like... You can just come here for that, Rio. You can just ask her at a gig. She'll just do at a gig. Okay. It's actually very comforting. We're both...

We're both women. We don't... and gig together oh that's a good point like we don't you know in theory we could but in reality we don't you make a good point and you're both straight womenish as perceived by bookers straight women which what's the ish straightish women straightish women straightish women yeah straightish women there's an ish right yeah we've actually got you here to tell you that you are non-binary that's yeah congratulations on the jumper you've got the call thank you we're connecting a moment to Just taking a moment to take this all on board.

As in because I think Bookers will book two women together if they're like, one is queer. Oh, I'm going to look out for that. I'm going to look out for that now. I'm sorry. I keep wandering away from the mic, Andrews. Helen does it all the time. Andrew is so fucking good at levels.

Are you good at levels? He's the best in the biz. It's actually, this, I mean, we present a challenge. We really do. The only reason I listen to it is because of the levels. I'm sat there like, oh, that could have been shrill, but we've dodged a bullet there. Thank you, Andrew.

he's very good so i okay i'll see if i can shriek a couple times just you can but really i feel like because you're a virologist have you been exhausted by a constant inundation uh is that a word inundate have you been inundated with questions about this to a point that you're exhausted no i think that no because in the situation that we're in people need to have these conversations and they need to ask these questions and so if there's anything i can do to help i will i have to be very careful to make sure i'm up to date i don't want to be responsible for spreading misinformation either. So there are times where I've been asked to go on the radio, whatever, and I've said no, if I don't have the time to look into it, or I'm not

confident on knowing enough about that subject. But generally, the whole reason that we're in the situation we're in where we've got sort of very polarized groups of people who are either very, very pro or very, very against. And then we've got a whole bunch of people in the middle who aren't sure, and our job is to kind of coax them into being sure by going ask those questions. It's okay. It's okay, it's okay to be unsure, but let's ask those questions and let's answer those questions because I'd rather more people be sure than more people just go to that place of, no.

But that's still generous of you with your time. For the second time. Yeah, it's a really, it's a generous kind answer, yeah, because you're a comic and Chloe keeps applauded, doesn't it? He's like, I like this guy, this guy's great, and it's like, yeah, because I know, I know it's what I'm.

Yes, very good, yeah. But my question is, why do you feel responsible to do that? I'm grateful that you do, very glad that you do. Well, it's not a responsibility. It's just if people are willing to admit that they're scared, then why shouldn't I take 10, 15 minutes to help them out with that if I can? Why wouldn't you? In this situation, what can I do?

I can't, and I don't volunteer at clinics, You know, I've children, you know, we all are doing what we can. That's the small thing that I can. I just think that we are all quite quick too. We've learned, I think, from a 24-hour news media and like the constancy with which we can reply to each other on Twitter and things, a sort of knee-jerk reaction of rage or frustration and to have someone be like, I just think that someone's admitting a vulnerability and I'll take the time with them is actually, sadly, quite remarkable and very good. Yeah. Yeah, but the alternative is, hey, Rhea, can I ask you a question? No, fuck you.

Get your own information off the internet, which is the problem in the first place, isn't it? I love that personality, though, for you. No, fuck you. Get the fuck out of here. I'm waiting here. I'm spreading misinformation here. I love that for you. That'd be amazing.

What am I, a doctor? Stop it. Right? Right, so what's going on then? Yeah, tell us what. We're all going to get it, aren't we? Possibly. Yeah.

I mean, again, we just, I mean, again, it's. spreading so quickly. Yeah. It's spreading so quickly. And it's going to come down to, it's going to be really interesting to see what we learn from this one in terms of who does get it, who doesn't get it. There are people who got Delta more than one. So we are seeing, some people are getting reinfected.

Other people, I myself had alpha last November, then with the whole family. So we all were in with Alpha, the whole family. Alpha for the whole family. I know. We all got matching illnesses. Yeah. Matching illnesses. took it for the Christmas photo. Nice.

And then we all got vaccinated, well, as much as we can. So my whole family says as vaccinated as we can be, because, of course, we're not vaccinating children fully, which means that they can't travel, which means that we're not going anywhere for Christmas. Okay. Because everybody else vaccinates their children twice, but we vaccinate them once.

Anyway, bitch over. No, that's fine. We got all that, and then, oh, my gosh, it is so twee. And then my husband and I went and got our boosters at the same time last week and got those together. Oh, he's a husband. I know, I made, you know what, and it's crazy. I made my appointment online, and then I said,

hey, this is when my appointment is, see if you can get it. And he went online and went, mine's five minutes after yours. I feel like I don't know much about virologists, but I feel like this, maybe this is like sort of common amongst virologist circles that you just like do everything together, virology-wise. Oh, he's not a virologist, though. No, he's not a virologist.

He left school at 19 and never looked back. I love that Rio's like, not only is he not a viologist. He's thick. thick as thick as shit but he's dumb he had abs i don't know if you can appreciate abs but he had abs we've heard of them we've heard of abs yeah yeah he had like eight of them i was like okay i'll be having some of that so um okay so we don't know yet basically is the answer and i have no sorry i just wanted to say no i was going to say do you mind us asking you lots of questions now do it let's do it okay uh Andrew can we get like music in the edit under this like do you know like a little bit

Like, Andrew, can you give us three minutes on asking quick fire questions about? This isn't a quick fire question. It might take three minutes to ask. Well, Ria's going to answer it as quickly as she can. Okay. Sorry. I will do my best to be quick. I think it's one of those stupid questions where I might need, like, some time to sort of work through it to work out what it is that I'm actually asking.

Sure. Andrew, you're ready, my baby boy? I am ready. Okay. Let's do, Catherine first, though. Okay. You formulate a question. I'll probably forget mine again.

But anyway, do you think we should have a national lockdown again? Oh, okay. That is not an, that is not like a yes or no question at all. Okay. Do you think we will have? All right. Quick fire. Quick fire.

Yeah, let's reduce this pandemic down to four quickfire, yes or no questions. You know what we've learned. You can't do quick fire around COVID. It actually needs much more information than that. It needs 10 to 14 days at least for a quick fire round on COVID. Do you think we need one? We might do. What we need to see is what the action.

Why did we have lockdowns before? because we were trying to stop the NHS from falling over. We were trying to save as many lives as possible. Of course, there is that whole other argument about what about all the people that died of all the other things because they weren't going to A&E. That's a whole other part of that conversation. But right now, Omicron is doubling every two to three days.

So they're expecting there to be about a million cases by New Year's, which is an awful lot of people to be ill with it. However, it's looking like it's less severe in terms of how, you know, presentation. People are coming away with severe cold as opposed to hospitalization. certainly in Africa they're seeing that people are needing less oxygen when they are hospitalized however just in the last 24 hours of recording this they've announced the first death from Omicron so and I and I said this on sky but if you think about it even if the death rate is as an

example I'm not using this as an actual number if the death rate was 0.1% out of a thousand people that's one person and it doesn't sound like a lot and you go do I know a thousand people yeah who's that one person I don't mind losing you think about but if you do if you roll that up to 60 million, which is our population, 60,000. That's 60,000 people. So you've got to think, you've got to remember that Omicron will kill some people. So if we, that's, that's what we're talking about. We're talking about, do we let this run rampant because it's just a cold and most people will be fine, knowing that there will be people who will die from this? And can you have that on your conscience? So the lockdown is about trying to save as many people as possible.

Also, by trying to stop the people, we only have so many doctors and nurses. And we've lost a whole lot of them already in this pandemic so how much are we going how much more strain and distress are we going to put on them while other people are going off to you know Greece and trying to to swim in the sea oh the sea is closed but that's a random reference but anyway the sea is closed well it wasn't for you oh wait hang on I understand that yeah go what reference is that he knows was it Mac Hancock no he was too busy Dominic Robb yes Dominic Robb Oh, sick one.

While the Taliban took over Afghanistan, he was like, I'm sorry, I couldn't answer the phone, the sea was closed, or something weird. We'd just go, if the sea was closed, why weren't you answering the phone? He was accused of, like, holidaying and, like, living at large on the beach, and he was like, I couldn't have been to the beach because the sea was closed. I saw Matt Hancock yesterday, Sunday, watching his kid play football, and he was just watching his kid play football. He was just on the phone the whole time, and you know, and you're like, oh, you're such a cartoon character. The park was that? Well, it seems rude to say, because his child was there. But did you give it a whole, like, every time his child kicked the ball, your shit.

No, but at one point, he got off the phone and winning goals and just kept kicking the ball up instead of two the boys. How did you know that it was his son? Because I, he was the only person, either that or either that or saw Matt Hancock watching eight children. He does not know. And one of them looked exactly like him. No, I was in a park near where photos were taken of his ex-wife's house. So presumably he was there. Presumably he wasn't just watching eight random kids.

No, but like which one of the eight, how do you, did you know which one of the eight? I don't know which one was his kid. Oh, right. Okay. But basically, I saw him and thought, I would like to say something to him. I'm not going to do that because I presume his child is right there. Yeah. I always regret, though, before Boris Johnson was prime minister, I saw him riding around

Westminster on a Brompson bike and I wish I'd call him a wanker. Like, I really profoundly wish I'd have done it. I don't know that that would have changed anything. I don't think it would. would have, but it would have made me feel bad. Imagine that, if that was his Scrooge moment. Oh, my God. I should change my weight. I was in New York once, and I saw Tina Faye come out of a building.

And then I went, oh, I'm a professional. She's professional. I won't bother her. You know they don't want to be bothered. And you're going to bother. And then the moment she got in the cab, I went, what are you doing? Five, one. Just jogged off to the cat. I know. That immediate. My first response was, oh, I wouldn't want to be hounded so I won't hound her. That was my first response. It is. I know. But it's a lot of flattering comparison. for Matt Hancock to be like, that's just like

what I met Tina Faye. I was trying to think, do I have any comparisons? Got any more questions? I've got a question. Yeah, go on. So, I think this question could be filled with ignorance, so I apologize for that. Ria has

opened herself up to that because she said that we can ask stupid. That's really nice. No, no. No question is too stupid. Well, okay. Is it is it, look, if Omicron like, sweeps the nation as we expected to, will that sort of like build up an immunity which might help the virus sort of fizzle out essentially

or will it just like mutate again and we'll just keep having to sort of deal with and I know that's like prophesying and you can't really do that. Good question. So that's a really good question. She's not said that before. It's a good question. Don't clap yourself. Don't clap yourself. My clap is a galitarian. I'll do it. Thank you so much. That's a good question. Well, very good question. So let's start with the first bit. Um, if Omicon, sweeps through the nation will we see some kind of herd immunity?

As much as I hate to say this and everybody that, you know how the government always wanted herd immunity from the beginning? They're like, oh, let's just do herd immunity and never mind who dies, which was awful and cruel. Because we kept opening up and Europe kept staying closed, we actually ended up with a higher level of delta

immunity by the time we got to sort of October, November, than the rest of Europe. So in a way, even though we never wanted it, because we ended up there with how often we were open in the summer, when they started having surges again in Europe and we're starting to do lockdowns in the Netherlands and Germany,

we were okay. We were like, actually, we're all right. That was in tandem with the fact that Austria and places didn't have as high a vaccine. Yes, and that was also the fact that we had quite a successful vaccine program. So it's coupled with that. So the two things together.

You have to have the highest rate of death, right? You have to be pretty on it with the vaccines when everyone's dying. Yes, which again, annoyingly is partly to do with Brexit as well, because we were separate from, because we were completely separate from the EU. Well, we could hoard, but we could just make our own decisions and just go, we're going to buy a bunch of stuff and roll it out without having to kind of check with Europe. Whereas Europe had to decide, first of all, do we do this all together?

Do we separately? Who wants to do what? Who wants what order? And that took a lot of time for them to get themselves sorted. So from that point of view, we were in a fairly good situation with Delta up to the beginning of November when other people weren't. Now, Omercron's come out, and it is sweet. We're being across the world pretty much. I mean, it's in the states.

Now it's 25 states in the states. You know, it's in Europe. It's in Africa, as we know. And the thing is that we're going to follow a similar trajectory with other variants in that we're going to have to keep an eye on it. We're going to have to keep an eye on deaths. We're going to have to keep an eye on damage control. This comes back to the lockdown.

Are we going to have to lock down because that's the only way to seriously stop the spread of this? I have two questions when you're ready. Okay. In terms of a new variant coming out, the reason, so just coming out, it sounds like it's sort of like new now, now that's what I call music out. Come soon to an unvaccinated area near you. So we've got Omicron spreading right now,

but where do variants come from? And this is where hopefully we learn our lesson with Omicron and not the next one or the next one, is we were quite selfish and we vaccinated it ourselves, not once, not twice, but now three times in this country we have handed out good quality vaccines to ourselves and we haven't been helping

the third world to vaccinate themselves and we've been pushing and pushing this and the reason that we saw these variants come out is because we have, yes, we've got pockets of unvaccinated we're seeing what's happening in Austria where they're going right, the unvaccinated need to lock in because that's where Delta was spreading amongst but in Africa we've got entire

like countries that need to be vaccinated. This is my first question because Gordon Brands obviously been saying this for ages and by the way I realized a minute ago I was like, oh, this isn't funny. And then I was like, if you have this anxiety and I have this anxiety and you're here, I feel like we're just going to take the opportunity

and not lull for two minutes. But I can be funny. I can be funny on Apollo. I want to ask questions about your comedy as well. And we will. But I really think like... Very funny. That starts with a V.

Yeah. Yes. Do you know what else starts vaginas? I've already got the three V. Oh, perfect. Already? Already. The man doesn't need help.

Yeah. Good. Hi, Andrew, by the way. Hi, Andrew, by the way. Hello. But here's the thing. him. Oh, we all love Andrew. He's a sweet boy. Great a level.

But the, I guess the thing is like, shit at dating. Gordon Brown has been saying. Wow. That one's been listening. I know, I know. So Gordon Brown's been saying for ages, hey, you can vaccinate all you want in developed countries. If you don't provide international capacity for vaccination, then what you're going to just see is a continued spread because the world is global in this movement.

Or the world will stop being global in its movement. Or we're going to end up with... Right, which is like... Fundamentally not workable long term, right? Yeah, and we're really struggling to think globally. At a time... You know, this is the thing. We were just getting to a point where we were going,

we're so global. Let's solve the global problem. Let's solve climate change, which is global. We were going global. And then suddenly the pandemic happened. And that's where we learned hard lessons about borders. Even in Europe, which has a shang... They had to, even within Europe,

shut borders, which was not the idea of the Schengen Agreement at all. And so, yes, but the truth is that, you know, is that if you have pockets, as we know, of the unvaccinated, what we saw here on a small scale is that the virus continued to spread amongst the unvaccinated. Austria, perfect example of that. And if you look at it globally, if you have entire countries or continents that don't have high enough vaccination rates, yes, you're not going to stop the spread of this. And the way that variants come out and the way that these mutations. You've heard that Omicron has like 32 mutations in it, which is a lot

of mutations away from where we were. We were sort of saying one or two. Counties in Ireland. Really? There you are. Oh, she's got some Irish content in. Would it be trusty hugs with us? Is that a thing you do at school? I don't think anybody wants that on a podcast.

No, but it's that a thing that you used to do. Sort of like Americans have to name all 50 states from the capitalists. There you go. It's a very good education system in Ireland. It is a good education system. education system. Thank you so much for saying so. No,

I'm jealous. No, it's true. Except when it comes to foreign languages where we could do better. But you do speak English very well. It's our first language. But I thought I,

but what happened to... I'm able to speak Irish, but that's a... Is that not the first language in? Is that... It is in certain pockets, but very small pockets of Ireland. Are you fluent in Irish?

No, but Tomlant-Gasquilgat. Oh, that's hot. That's hot. That was beautiful. But I'm not actually able to... It's not my first language, and I'm not fluent. I used to be close to when I was in school. So all of schooling is in English?

Yeah, unless you go to like a school that's Osweilga. But also like, there's this phrase in Irish that's Tiergon Chang, a Tiergan Annam. So a country that a language is a country that is Seoul. And Ireland is definitely in that situation where it's like trying not to lose its language. This is not what we are talking about. Circle back. So I think that's beautiful, though. I agree.

How do you say the name of what is your... head of government. Tea Shuck. Tea Shuck. See, and I hear it and I go, I will remember that. And then I see it written down and I go, I cannot remember how it's next.

No, but you've heard some tea and you are shook. Tea Shuck. I love that. This is really good. Everyone's being so smart. Tea Shuck. Tea Shuck. You've heard some tea and you are shuck.

Okay. That's our primary thing. With that little eye roll as well. Tea Shook. You've just made your prime minister camp. I love that. Right. I love that.

Well, your prime minister, not. The last one was gay. The last one was gay. Not camp, no. And actually. Very conservative, for real shame. Oh. A conservative gay in a Catholic country.

Can you believe? I just go in my mind. Blow in my mind. Can you believe? But so yes, we need to get global vaccines. And then my other question was, because I think, just to check in, so like what was called the Indian variant and then became Delta. Good memory.

We're not supposed to remember those things. I know. But Omicron, also being discussed as South African, are, is it true that those? It was just first named and a passion was discovered in South Africa, or did it originate there? Well, no one knows. That's the thing. You don't know. You don't know where it started.

And in fact, there was another country that I heard it from first. So, before, so South Africa has a very good scientific system, and they're very good at sequencing. And they have, compared to their neighbors. So if anyone's going to find it and identify it and catch it first, it's going to be South Africa because of their scientific infrastructure. It does be like they got blamed for noticing first. Yes, to a certain extent, but actually it was one of the neighboring countries that they first noticed, you know, they suddenly had this increase in transmission rates that they went, that's funny. But then it first got sequenced and identified in South Africa. But that doesn't mean that's where it came from.

It's all loaded, isn't it? It's like, you know, the Chinese blow and all of this kind of thing. And it's like completely racist in time. And I think we're just doing like on a macro level. But even so, even if it did start there, if you go, oh, okay, let's, you know, say it started in country X. Well, then everybody should be racing to vaccinate country X. Not going, well, it's your fault.

But it's on a macro level, I feel like what happens on like a sort of, and I don't think we're particularly bad at it in like our social circle, but I think it's what's happening on a micro level where like if someone gets it, they're going like, who did I catch it off? Do you know what I mean? Yes. And it's like there's a global pandemic. And yeah, and it's one of those things of like with Omicron, it's likely that we're all going to get it.

So it's just like, it's no one's fault. But this whole thing, I mean, that's a casual phrase. Likely we're all going to get it. But that's what I'm saying. We don't necessarily know, you know, this is what the boosters are. The boosters will provide you with antibodies, which were designed against the original variant. And we've gone through alpha and delta here.

And they still prove to give us some immunity and give us some historic. And now we're looking and it's having some effects. against Omicron we still need to see I mean there's so many things about the immune system everybody has their own unique immune system and if there's one thing that we've really learned from from this pandemic is how widely

varied immune systems are so in my family five of us had alpha at the same time and we each presented slightly differently with slightly different symptoms slightly different symptoms are they not his kids well I'm not going to say that on here am I

what a way to find out Am I? I would love to tell you that we're going to change the topic but in fact what we're going to do is solve a listener problem

and I think it might actually be on theme is that okay? Yeah, of course. I was going to ask. Vicarious worrying. That's right. Vicarious.

You're welcome. I'm giving that. She's got a varied vocabulary. It was a long. Two Vs. Two Vs. Hello, don't skip.

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Please join us. Patreon.com forward slash trusty hocks. Yes. So, do we want to keep on theme or like a change of pace? Keep on theme? What do you guys want? Do you want a same theme or a change of pace? A bit of both. Can we do two? Let's do you. Let's not say that I'm here to answer people's

worries and then ignore their worries and go, oh, let's change the theme. I'm so bored of those. Do you want to do two? Okay. Yeah, but if we don't have time, change the theme. Okay. We'll change the theme first and then we'll come back to the time. Perfect. As long as I get tit on head at the end, I'm happy with whatever.

Oh, God, you'd barely notice mine. It would be like a whisper. Mine is strapped down. I'd have to get around. Listen, I'm just, I like you. You're strapped down? Yeah, this is how I am. Yeah, I just don't have any.

I don't need a strap. Yeah, we don't have any. They don't massive, but what is there gets? If I was, I'm a little bit warm. I admit, but I didn't wear a bra, but I can't take this off because... Well, you bloody well can't if you want to. No, I just, I really couldn't. That's okay.

There's no need. There's really no need. Okay, off you go. Yes, so this is from W. Hi, W. Hi, W. You know what? I wish I had done from the start of V.

Episode 1. No, V. Ah, that would have been good. This is two Vs together. Yeah. We don't have time. Let's solve this problem. I have a relationship issue I've been trying to work through for a while and hoping you can help.

When I got together with my boyfriend four years ago, he was very self-assured and it gave me such happiness meeting someone who is completely comfortable in their own skin. Over the past year, however, I've noticed him become less emotionally aware, e.g. thinking about work instead of making conversation and also in social situations, like being oblivious if a comment is awkward, etc. The issue is very much brimming, but it's coming to the majorly this week as I asked him if he's excited about moving into a beautiful apartment together, brackets, we haven't signed for it yet, and he said he doesn't feel excitement about it. he said he's worried that he can't be like he used to be and doesn't feel emotions like he used to or like other people do it's clearly something he's noticed about himself and doesn't know how to get better

we can't afford therapy I'm not sure how to help him what should I do is it worth moving in with someone who doesn't feel excitement about it and generally long-term relationships do scare me because people change so much especially in their 20s that's a lot that is a lot W that's a lot can I

start by saying first of all it's okay to be questioning I think long-term relationships are an ongoing question and it's good that you're being active in choosing whether or not you want to be with the person rather than just letting it happen to you however I think there's loads there and I want to flag from the outset

none of us are professional psychologist I came on and I said that and both of you were like fuck it we're going to give the marriage advice getting them out for they strap in we're going to make things worse rather than better

I think I'll just flag that and also flag that that is ultimately our prior stance nonetheless. Dampin! No, no, no. Slowly on your own. The guy's got depression and you can't live with that. No. All right, Chloe, Beth. The thing is, I actually think that that...

Tell us what you really feel. It's a bit harsh to be like, I met him and he was this way at his best. And now he's having, like, his emotions are dulled and he's having a bad time. is it ever going to be okay again when like I think it's pretty apparent he's going through a tough period and also get on get him on the NHS waiting list I know it takes ages but at least like you don't have to be able to afford therapy there are also like pay what you want therapy programs yeah I don't know if you're queer and and or in London but there's a service called ELOP which is for LGBTQ plus people and it's subsidized yeah oh there must be loads but I think ELOP is really great no I was going to say I think he sounds like he has to People don't realize that depression, people who don't have any experience with depression think that it's being sad and being in bed all day and crying. And it isn't. It is actually, I think the first early stages are just a numbness. And I have really bad seasonal affective disorder. And it is. It's a numbness. It's an inability to just relate to others because you can barely relate to yourself. And so I think actually the first step is to just maybe get them to the GP and see if the GP can help with, you know, up his vitamin D levels as well because that's just good generally. And we're all. if you're in the UK, W. But I would say, yeah, I would say it sounds like, because if he was always like that,

then I would say maybe consider, you know, if you found that he always wasn't relating or saying embarrassing things that wasn't in the zeitgeist, I'd say maybe consider whether he might have autism because that's the other thing that runs in my family, up and down it. But because you're saying he changed from one to the other, and given that we've just been through two years of pandemic,

considered him just going in the short term to the GP, yeah also it feels a little bit like the framing of the question of like are you excited to move in together felt a bit like a test and ultimately like what it sounded like you were either asking him was like because if you don't want to we don't have to which maybe means you don't want to or if you were saying can you be better for when we move in together because I think that's an unfair burden to put on or even more just like no but I think it was it was probably more framed as like I'm feeling really worried about this and what I want is reassurance that you do want this. Yeah. So it's like

also that. Before a big commitment. But that's where you change the question not to not to try and make them say the thing that you want. If you have a worry, say that the thing that you want as a statement rather than as a question like a sort of question which like circumnavigates what you actually want. Yes. I want

your tit on my head. But for the benefit of the listener, I'll just audio describe this. I've got so little. Oh, my God, they're like, soft like pillow. Step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah, you're going to give them a problem, and they were solving, or maybe they're like, and then yours was just a little bit full, like, duvet.

You were like feather pillow, and you're like feather duvet. It was just, oh, I'm just so pleased we're going to help you out with us. Oh, that was just a moment. That was nice. We shared that together. I'm never going to, so I guess that's an example of what we're saying. Yeah, so an example. of what we're saying is that you just need to say I want

reassurance like what you really want us to move in with me I want a tit on my head I want a tit on my head but hang on you address this directly with him because it sounds like you're sidestepping it I worry though that if you just focus on the moving in together and maybe I'm being

I worry that if you just focus on that the whole thing might fall apart because it isn't about that it's about is he okay exactly so I get that you're coming up to sign because the thing is that you've also got your happiness to think about and I get that there's this whole worry about commitment and moving in together and the rest of it but if that flat would make you happy because it sounds gorgeous and

and that would make you happy you being happy is also important and if he's if he's sick then he's not not happy about moving in together he's ill and can't be happy about moving in together but once he's better then he could be happy about being moving in together so it doesn't sound like he doesn't want it it sounds like he can't want it the only thing to say is one flat can't fix all problems and also that there are multiple nice flats so if you want to put it on hold till he's feeling better that's also fine and also I think that it's important to remember that relationships do go in phases as well and like it isn't going to be the same as it was when it was first at the beginning but like that's where you make the decision that you are you tell what really yeah it changes it changes

don't tell me that I'm like 20 years in okay second problem real fast Andrew hope that helps W good luck we'll uh shoot back to to virology and vaccines. Oh, that's, those are two Vs. Phyrology vaccines, vulvas? No, we haven't. We're not, we know, we've, we haven't even talked vaginas at all.

I've, I've already got the Vs as well. Okay, great. Yeah, you're right. Okay, I'm, don't like he doesn't need us, fine. Okay, but one of them has to be vaguely funny, like sties. Look, Andrew is vexed, we're moving on. Vexed, ooh, come on, tell us the last one. Oh, love it.

Look at that education. Just a bit of advice. I need. I have a friend who I've known for over 25 years. She's not vaccinated and refuses to be. I don't agree, but I've made my peace with it. But now she has faked a vaccination card and uses it to get into venues and movies.

Because, and so she doesn't have to take a guess because she can't be asked. Any ideas about what I should do. Whoa. Where's Helen? I say we get Helen around her house now. What the literal hell? No, I did not.

I did not literally. say go and infect her but I did but cut that out cut that out I don't know the enforcer I yeah I thought she was going to like use her tit powers for good to like to like knock someone out hold on hold on oh my god here's my feeling I don't mind you drinking till you're drunk I do mind you getting behind a wheel you don't get to endanger other people willfully knowingly and not have consequence if do whatever you feel is morally correct for yourself, but if you want to report that, there's absolutely fine. I also don't think it's necessarily that you need to do the reporting because that's quite

like an emotional thing. Like imagine if they're feeling like, can I do that without being a bad person? Is there a reporting system for that? Is there? Yeah, there must be a report. Is there a way? I mean, I mean, is that what we've come to? We've got at the moment, a society where you can choose or not choose to be vaccinated, but society is going in a direction. And this is one of the reasons, you know, how, you know, the current government doesn't want to have a vaccine mandate and they don't want to have vaccine passports as a law requirement

and they've left it up to businesses because A, they don't want to, you know, be unpopular with half of their voters. But B, because they want to leave it up to business to go, I am happy to do business with you or I'm not happy to do business with you and that's where they've left it. And so if we're in a situation where

you make that choice, I choose not to be vaccinated, then you have to stand up for that choice. but you forge the government document That's Rear's point right Either you make that decision and you live with it You deal with businesses who won't do business with you I get it yeah

Or that's just an absolute chicken shit To be like Oh I don't want to get vaccine But I still want to go I still want every privilege of someone who is Yeah It's like no own it and back it And let people honestly engage with you on those terms

Or don't Yeah I think you're driving a car As a very apt metaphor for it Because it's tricky I completely understand about body autonomy and who are we to tell someone else you have to put that in your arm. I think that that's a very big discussion to have. Who am I to say, no, you will do this to your own body. Because that is exactly what we're fighting all the time as women, especially when it comes to reproductive issues and health.

And in the states, they seem to be going backwards in a lot of ways. So I completely appreciate body autonomy in that regard. But also, we live in a society. And if you want to continue to live in a society, you're going to have to accept. that you are not an island and that what you do does have certain consequences. Women can drive.

Just not drunk. Fine. But like the... Fine. Women can drive. Okay? The comparison to abortion like only work,

like only go so far because like one thing is the state telling you that you have to look after this child that you don't want for the rest of your life and one is you have to do this thing to like help people

for the rest of that. Like it only goes so far and I don't know what my point is but like, No, I think, you know, it is a valid point because it's just not a black and white issue, is it? Yes, on the one hand, it's what can a woman do for herself for her life that affects her, primarily, versus we're asking you to do something for the benefit of others. Because you're right that under a certain age limit and with, you know, if you are under the age of 40,

have no underlying health conditions, then all of the evidence so far says that COVID probably won't be that bigger risk to you. And so you could catch it. and recover from it and probably be okay. So why should you go with this drug from this company that we don't know what's in it, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I appreciate that there's a lot of people out there with that mindset of going, look, on the balance of risks to myself, I'd rather risk getting COVID than putting this particular manufactured product in my body.

It's not you can't lie about it. It went out. Yeah. So with separate issues where like one, one, when you're not taking it, it's like, okay. I think you're a bit of a doofus myself, but I understand why you've come to that decision. Now it's got to the point where it's like genuinely amoral, and I think this person needs to choose

whether they are willing to sort of be friends with someone who would do something like that. And I know that you've spoken a lot in previous podcast episodes about how difficult it is to have difficult conversations and break off friendships. But listen to the back catalogue, baby, and get all your advice from there about, I think possibly the thing that you need to do

is choose to end this friendship. And if you... That's a heavy way to care. carry a right if you if you just want to pull the friendship that's absolutely completely fine but if you if you want to have that conversation then have that conversation it's two halves isn't it the first half of not being vaccinated is that's the friendship moral question am i going to still be friends or even put my own health at risk because we do know that if you are unvaccinated you are more likely to catch it and therefore more likely to spread it as well because i have an answer i'm getting vaccinated

i respect that but i also am i'm going to go visit her and the second half well and the second half of that is fraud i mean it's it's a crime isn't she is she's fraud you're presenting herself as one way over it. Listen, here's my thing. You don't have to get your kid vaccinated, though I think you should. You don't have to. But if you know your kid has chicken pox, send them to kindergarten and don't tell the

other parents there, you're willfully endangering the other children. Yeah. It doesn't, it's the exact same here. Just say to your friend like, I ain't going to see you until the pandemic's over. The end. Yeah. Or you're willfully endangering other people in a way that I didn't think was consistent with your

personality, the caring person I became friends with. And so while I understand you're right not to vaccinate yourself, your willful bending of the rules and endangerment of other people makes you a person that I don't recognise. Or just say bowers on our way round, get right.

I was going to say it's very articulate, but I did much prefer you're a skank. Yo, yo, yo, you're a skank, bye. Just play that. you're a skank I don't know We can cut that down and make that available

for you as a ringtone Oh that would be so cool Trusty your ringtone Yo yo yo yo yeah I can only apologize You're a skank You're a skank You're a skank

You're a skank Yeah that's my thinking I just think I just think you have to give other people Listen I just think you have to make sure that the other people

in this Here's the thing is People who don't want to get vaccinated Really reiterate consistently their right to bodily autonomy, their right to choice, and they're right to full information.

You don't then get to deny other people's right to choice, full information and bodily autonomy by showing up a places and pretending you have a vaccine in spaces that they have been told are for people who have been vaccinated. I'm ready to do it. Yeah, yeah.

That's the crux of it. That is the crux of it. That was beautiful. That's one of the best things I've ever heard. Sorry, but that's what, I was trying to figure out What was bothering me so much, and that's what it is. It's that they demand one thing for themselves in that scenario that person does and then denies it of other people.

Skank. I would say, just, I mean, just as a suggestion, Andrew, that you cut out everything we said before that and just put that as the answer. Ignore everything else. That's it. That's it in a nutshell. Really? You've been an amazing guest.

I feel like I've learned so much, and I still have questions, but where can we, for several things, one. Where can we find you if we want to watch your comedy? Oh, gosh, BBC at the moment, I guess. I guess she's like on live with the Apollo. Don't worry about it. I guess she's on live of the Apollo. That's out.

And that will probably hit YouTube if you're not in the UK. That'll hit YouTube at some point because they always do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there. Otherwise, like on Instagram, I've got all, you know, like everyone else. I got loads of Rialina. It's at Rialina underscore, but just search for my name and you'll see me. Like, I mean.

And Twitter? And Twitter. TikTok? And TikTok? Facebook? And Facebook? There she'll be. website?

Rialina.com. Amazing. Are you going, doing any tour shows or shows they can see soon? Well, just all my gig lists are on my website and things like that.

The other thing I'm going to ask. Aren't you touring? Oh, yes, I, thank you so much for asking, really. I'm touring. Me too. Oh, my God.

Are you touring? Yes, we both are. Thank you so much for asking. Touring. Tell me everything. A tour called Transience and it's a stunning poster, a very nice list

of venues. Their first tour and it's going to be sick. It's going to be so good. Okay, I want to see all that. And I guess I was hoping Chloe Pets would reciprocate, but they haven't. So I'm also going on tour. Oh, yeah. And it's it's going to be, it's going to transform the face of British comedy, if anything. Fabulous photo, by the way, with which to transform the face of comedy. British and Irish. Thank you. It's cold. This isn't for you. And in theory, I'll be on tour in the new year.

But I can come though. Oh, please. And I will say this as comics. Who is for me? Oh, oh. Oh. Despite the title, I would really like people to attend. The full title is actually this isn't for you brackets except Reelina. Yeah. Brackets, please come. But I would say that if you want to support an artist booking tickets to a show right now, it would mean the world because people have stopped booking because they're tentative

and I totally get that. But whenever you do buy tickets, if the show is to be rescheduled, you'll get tickets for that new date or you can get a refund. But it just means so much to artists to think people still want to go. and we can plan accordingly and not cancel our shows, which would mean the world. Rialina, last question. Okay. I'm a listener. I'm a hog.

I'm a fan. I like comedy, but I also like to learn. I don't want to bother Rialina. She's already getting enough tweets. That's a lot of tweets for one person. She doesn't have that many 15 minutes sections in her day. Where could I go to find out more that would be clear, understandable? Maybe by-time? The St. James's Bible.

About? Not about herpes, about... It's all there in revelation. It's the end days. That's your preferred translation? Is St. James? Yeah, we're at St. James' country. Are you?

I would have gone Gideon, but just, you know, I prefer... Gideon's for when you're on holiday. I know, and if you get to that last chapter, it's so much more exciting. Gideon's for when you're going Rottie. Where? Oh, my God. Where can I find out more about COVID that you think is a trusted source? Okay, I think that if you are not scientifically minded and you're like, how do I know what to do or what to do?

I would say that the explainers on BBC and Sky are really, really good explainers. So not like, this is a news article, headline, this just happened, but they do explainers which go through and just say, look, here's a catch-up of where we are and they go backwards and they go through everything. And it's really clear and easy to read. So those are really good. That's lovely. Because they have them on every country in the world as well, which I really like. Oh, wow. I'd never read the COVID ones, and that's a good idea.

Yes. Rihalina, everybody! Woo, woo, woo, who. Oh, thank you. Thank you.