Trusty Hogs - Ep133. HANNAH GADSBY / Drinking, Dogs & Derren Brown

Episode Date: May 9, 2024

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Oh, welcome to episode 134 of our podcast. No, we're not doing a song at the beginning. My name is Helen Bauer. No, no, no, no, no. This is Catherine Bohart. We're comedians. We sing. No, we don't.

We don't. No, we don't. We act. Please make it stop. We act. We do act. We do act. We do act. We act up.

Through the fog. Step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah. You're going to give them your problems and they will solve them or maybe they won't and that's your problem. They'll have guests and Andrew White on the tech. Oh, it's Helen and Catherine. the trusty hugs trust the trusty hogs

or maybe not hello welcome to episode 134 of trusty hogs the podcast where we tell you about our perfect lives and we help you solve your listener problems and today we have I think like the biggest guess we've ever had I mean the coolest

the fucking coolest that is such a slam and all our print. No I stand by it I can't believe they're on our podcast I'm so fucking hyped today I'm just going to say I'm a path because otherwise I'll keep talking because we just recorded with them. The Hannah Gatsby was here. It's Hannah Gatsby. That was cool. I can't fucking believe it. That was cool.

That was so cool. I loved it. I loved it. Oh my God. They're so nice. I loved it. I mean, I've got thoughts on my social anxiety stuff. Oh my God. Let them listen to it first. Enjoy. Enjoy. But we're just going to quickly catch you up on what we're doing before we bring Hannah right. Yeah, exactly. Don't worry. It won't be long

because we want you to get you our guests. But holy heck. They'll be skipping ahead at this point. Oh, undoubtedly people are fast forwarding. They're zimming ahead. they're like thinking yikes what did helen say and yikes catherine must have been stressed and yikes did they type out the questions in advance so that they didn't make any mistakes yes is that obvious on the podcast yes did they stick to them no but do we try hell yeah people are fast forwarding through this so it's fine hello how are you on my period oh for god sake you are always on your period i have not been since i've been here that can't be true how come i heard about it every single day

because i've been gearing up to it's a couple of days late you're gearing up to it from the second it it feels like. Absolute nightmare. Absolutely nightmare. Why? Light coloured jeans didn't bring anything period appropriate really. Oh, to wear clothes wise.

Constantly at risk. Absolutely. Before my show yesterday, because we're both doing like hour long shows at the Melbourne Comedy Festival at the moment. Like, I was like, I don't trust my cup. I don't trust it.

So I wedged toilet paper in there. As soon as my show was finished, I went for a drink with a friend who was in the audience and then went straight into the queue to go see Guymon Gummed. dress. During the day when it started, I was wearing a cream dress because we were at the pool together and then we went to that rooftop bar, which was amazing. Oh, naked for Satan. Love it. It was so lush, wasn't it? Yeah, it's a gorgeous, gorgeous. But did that thing where, you know, you're like,

you're like, I'm going to roll up toilet roll and whack it between the lips. Yikes. And just, like, that's just my double protection during Guy Montgomery show, which is amazing. Nathan, our tech is like a sigh of a man right now. Truly. No, he's loving it. It's feminism. It's feminism. It's Is it feminism? And basically it's feminism. And I had it wedged in and I was watching Guy McGammer show and I was like, this is an uncomfortable wedge. But the audience is so full.

You don't really have room to like. You can't open. No, no, no. So then went to go see Sam Campbell show straight from Guy's show. You're testing that tissue. These are big laugh guys. This is in. These are big laugh boys.

The tissue was being tested. I was howling laughing and I had to go to the toilet before Sam's and I was like, this is going to be a peel away. oh my god my labia will never be the same but I'm okay now but sometimes it's nice you've got a free wax at the same time you know sometimes it's nice it's nice that's cheap so much why not yeah but I've been thriving

I've seen so many nice shows I'm so glad I'm so glad I'm guessing to see so many people still I was going to say something to you oh yeah which is that a listener sent us a voucher for fluffy torpedo we should go there after we're going straight after should we go for a period ice cream We have to because we went for ice cream the other day. Oh, that was lovely.

And it was lovely. I think I made the, I didn't do the right flavour combination. What was that place called? That was heaven on earth. It's round the corner from the Fitzroy public pool. God, it was good. Sort of like a, it's got like taps of sauce and I got this roasted pumpkin and no, roasted pumpkin.

That would be awful. Well, no, it was roasted pineapple. And coconut. And coconut. Fuck, it was delicious. That was incredible that one. It was actually the nicest ice cream I've ever had. So fluffy torpedo has a lot of,

fluffy torpedo feels like the name for your perioding vagina. Ew, Catherine. I'm not sorry. Ew. Ew. You literally said that the tissue was a feel away. We found the line. We found the line.

No, we haven't. Oh, my God. Yesterday I had my first alone day. Oh my God. Tell me everything. Okay. So. You're fat?

Of course. You're fast. Yeah. My first alone day because Ellen was here for the first two weeks. And also I've just been like, there's been so much work to do I mean I peeled myself off the bed and went to the show I wish I hadn't said peeled off anyway I went to my show but I was a warm country it's the first day I was just like I'm just going to say no to any of it I'm just like saying no I'm having a day for Catherine and um the problem is that they're addictive because now I just want to be in bed watching television because I watch baby reindeer all I want to do is watch television all day for the next five days but I've got work to do I want to see that's so bad oh it's fantastic shout out Richard Gad I'm sure he listens but I'll say this I first of all

it was heaven I never give myself permission to just do nothing I never do and I always am I'm like you gotta get down the flat blah blah blah blah but I was just like you know what I'm just I slept and dozed and ate and mooched and watched but there is always that tipping point

and it's always the same point where I think you know this will be so good for me I need a day off but if you don't go outside as you start to watch the sunset I find I get I get weird. And the fact that I wasn't outside in the sun at all, I thought it was going to be so good for me. But I think maybe there's a point where I was like, oh, maybe I should have

gone for a walk in the daylight. Maybe it wasn't good for me. No, I just mean like, when I got to my show, I realized they were the first people. And this is a bad thing sometimes. They were the first people I'd spoken to. I've done that so many times. Now, as it happens, it turns out, I had a great show because I was desperate to chat. Do you know what I was like, hey, everybody and they were like, whoa. Like I was like, has everyone been in the first people? I've talked all day. And they were like, yeah, because this woman has no friends. No, that's my favorite day, though, just talking on stage. Yeah, and then like to talk, but not be interrupted and then head home.

Delicious. It's so, I can't believe that's your first one you've done. This has been like a, this is nearly the end of a month. Yeah. And that is like, and it's not like you're just like hanging out during the day. We're in like groups. It's like you're on. And it's not like your inner city that you, I mean, we know a bit now, but we don't know it,

know it. I get quite distrustful of myself when I have a hotel room. because I think if I start at the start by staying in all day, that will be my whole month. Like I'll be alone for the whole thing. And that's all very well and good at a certain point. But I got to have some guiding principles like leave the house in the morning, see people. Because I am an introvert by nature.

Yeah. And I would probably get weird. I wouldn't say I haven't got weird, but I've staved off the weird pretty well. And I knew, I knew at the end I would be more likely to do it. So I just thought, just wait. because now it's all I want to do. I've like had complete. I get complete.

Like I feel like my social battery is gone now. I've used it and I don't have anything to recharge it with. I'm like, I've had a lovely time. But you would never see your friends every day at home. The social. I have like chill days in London. Like,

I was like, what's today? And I'm like, don't really talk to anyone. I just watch TV. I just lounge around. I potter. I never really do that.

I'm realizing when I'm here. I'm quite a rigid person. Like I have like, real routines and I'm very still day is a routine but I'm very severe with myself when I don't you know like like I haven't gotten used to the fact that I'm not really working here like I just haven't been able to there's like I feels like London doesn't exist when I'm in Australia I don't know why it's so weird to have no object permanence I just really feel like I think I've said this already but I keep getting emails being like huh people keep emailing Catherine how weird

Catherine doesn't exist Catherine's in the upside down and so but I I'm really not able to get balance. I'm either working too much or telling myself that I'm as shit for not working. Like, I never get to take a day off of that guilt. How do you do that? I mean, I might feel guilty. And then if I feel super guilty, then I just do some work. God, you're smart. But then I would always work all the time, which I kind of do usually. Do you feel guilty all the time then if you're not working? Yeah. Yeah, that's tricky then. Because I think, yeah, I think I'm able to reward myself more maybe than you are naturally. I got to get better treats.

But it's also like it's good for your long term health. You're right. To like take a day off. But then I procrastinate. So what I'll do is like give myself like, oh, if I just do this one thing I can take the day off and then I'll spend the whole day not doing it and then just feel like shit all day.

Why do I do that? What's that about? That's just life. That's just life. You procrastinate. But I don't think, I think this idea that you have to be, if you're not doing something, then you're doing nothing.

Like, but it's okay to do nothing. Yeah. Like take, I really grew up in one of those houses that was like, um, you know, like, if you weren't up at, like, if you came downstairs at like 9.30 people were like, afternoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, you know, like, really, like, like, oh my God, I so know what you mean. Sitting watching the telly wasn't like a legitimate thing.

It was like, we do all the things first and then we will reward ourselves with the television in the evening if we've done like enough things. But like, it was always described as like sitting around. You're just going to sit around the day. My parents was so funny about the TV. and I was the TV addict to my household. Yeah, me too. Like, my sister would watch like a film or something.

Yeah. And my brother would watch it every now and again. But I would be like, I love TV. Yeah, me too. But I still love it here. I'm at the biggest, like, arts festival in probably like this side of the world. Yeah. And what have I done if I've watched the Beckham documentary?

It's a good, is a good, is it good. It's so good. Heaven on earth. I've watched all of Girls Five Ever, all three seasons. So's Auger. Oh, I've loved it. I've absolutely loved it. I've had Chit's Creakorn in the background.

Heaven on Earth, yeah. I'm reading my book. I just, it's, it's good. And also, it's just timed for your brain to mull it over. Yeah. Also, like, the people here are amazing, but they're not disappearing at the end of the month. They still exist.

Past it. Yeah. Oh, no. Do you feel guilty about taking the day off yesterday, like in retrospect, are you happy? Yeah, I always feel, I mean, I feel about it the whole month. Like, I haven't done enough, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, hello, welcome to my brain.

But the job here is to go on stage each night. And I, look, I came, I've got a just. do list that I wrote on the plane coming out here of what I was going to get done whilst I was in Melbourne and it was like things like record trusty hogs episodes and do trusty hogs live oh you can achievable goals on open my show but I also put on some things like write a full script treatment for this write 15 pages of this they haven't happened but then what I do is I cross out to do before end of Melbourne on the to do list and I change it to do end of well no end of Brisbane let's say my Sydney has suddenly become packed

you won't see me because I'll be working but we're not doing hugs in the day we're not recording episodes no we're doing a live we've got a live baby I'm so excited I fucking loved the live Melbourne it was really good isn't it wasn't it so fun also shout out to the Melbourne

audiences on your boundaries love it love it love it I don't know whether or not like we've talked about it more recently but like everyone's like gives Helen a hug and then like nods to me and I adore them for it everyone's very like we've talked for enough time now peace out I just I love him.

I love him. I love my love. We loved it. Yeah, real good eggs, real good eggs. I got to do my song and dance routine as well. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, you certainly did that. If you're a patron, obviously, you can witness it and see it in full, but it was the

most. I'm excited for Sydney Live. Me too. I'm so hyped. I'm so hyped. I met someone yesterday who's coming to the Sydney Live. I was on the street having a drink with my friend. And then they were just like, Helen Bauer.

And I was like, yeah. And you know, when you're like, oh, do I know, do I know, do I know, so stressful. I was like, I saw you in Sydney last year. I'm coming to Trust Yokes Live next week. I was like, oh, that's heaven on earth. Oh my God, in the most Irish incident ever, I had a gorgeous show the other night, and then this girl came up to her afterwards,

and she was like, hi, I'm your parents' neighbour's daughter, and I was like, of course you are. Oh, and your dad's doing my sister's wedding in a few months. I was like, of course he is. Ireland never changed. You can't go anywhere. You can't go anywhere without running into us, like. But that's nice, though, isn't it?

Every time. Every time. Oh, my God, it was heaven on earth, and she was such a nice audience member, and also we sent a picture to our parents and they're about like, oh my God. Okay, you have got faster. Oh, yeah, I know, sorry.

That was, that was incredibly speaking. I spent a day alone. I spent a day alone. So the only person I'm talking to is myself and sure I have an Irish accent. But you do talk out loud to yourself, which is nice. I do. But I do that when there's people.

But you're going to take a day off in Sydney as well. I think. Yeah, I want to do that walk with you and Olga from Bondi to Kudu- No, I'm a day off. Yeah, the walk to, that's a day off for me is walking. Yeah. Bondi to what's it called?

Kudji. Nice. Cojee Beach. It looks really lovely. What's the food that Kedgery? What's Kedri? Kedri, that's a UK thing.

Isn't that like, smoked Haddock or mackerel, I think. In potatoes. In like rice and stuff. Oh, in rice. I think so. That's how my mum made it. Kedri.

Yeah. No, it's not that. It's called Kudji Beach. Kudji Beach. But you should do a day in in Sydney as well. I'm going to do that. Because people, some people here are like, oh, the shows are nearly finished, shows and nearly finished.

But we're still on tour. Like you're going back to the UK to do tour. I'm starting a tour. another I've got another three weeks of touring in Australia Yeah yeah It is funny everyone being like

It's almost finished And I'm looking at you like five more weeks fish Five more weeks Have a great time Love you bye But I realize I'm going home And I have a job The day after I land

And And Oh my God What is it? Do I know? No but I I'll tell you after it Guys

Oh my God I have to know Put a pin in it Remind me because the lesbians Will want to know what I'm doing when i okay we'll start the lesbians fuck the lesbians i want to know now but opinion it i'll tell you when it's happened okay let's just bring on our guests then okay fine please welcome that's a terrible

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Hello, it's me, Catherine Beaumart, and I'm going on tour. My show is called Again with Feelings. And oh my gosh, you guys, I would absolutely love if you bought a ticket in advance because people keep sending me emails about the places that aren't selling well, and it's very stressful. So I'm doing MacFest in Wales. I'm doing Brighton, Aldershot, Edinburgh, Glasgow, York, Newcastle, Norwich, Winchester, Cambridge, Oxford, Bass, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool.

I'm now doing Bolton, we're adding Bolton, Sheffield, Exeter, Corsham, Bristol, Coventry, Guilford, Port Smith, Swindon, Dublin, and then I'm back in London. The point is, I have a lot of tickets as hell, and I'm not really sleeping. So, grab a ticket. Hey, grab a ticket at catherinebowhart.com. You'd go, wouldn't you, Helen? I've been, I loved it. Have you been? Lester.

Oh, you went to a work in progress, yes, that's true. It's going to be better than that even, I hope. And also, you're going to have the best time in Bolton is my favorite accent in the UK. Bolton. Hello. I guess I'll find out why it is when I get there. Please come to the tour. Welcome to the podcast.

It's Hannah Godsby. How are you? Great. The level of enthusiasm here is admirable. Is it? This is genuinely us trying to be. demure when actually we're freaking out. We're so excited. Mainly I'm hyped because

there's a dog in the studio. I'm no offence, but I'm so excited that there's a dog. What kind of dog do we have in the studio, please? It is a Logotho Romano. Wow. I know. Wait, a what? Logotto Romano. It sounds like a fancy coffee. It could be. It is. She is. They are.

Thank you. I thank you, Hannah. Actually, sorry. Thank you. Bed time, actually. Good. I don't know, I don't know, a tailing water dog Trapper Honda She's freaking gorgeous And she's being so good A water dog She's got wet feet

Just a little swims Stop it, seriously We're so gullible You can tell us anything No, I regret telling the truth Yeah, you really could have said anything Like breathes underwater, we'd have been like, uh-huh Can I tell you about my favourite dog?

My friend Emma Colpus when I was younger Had a big golden retriever Morbidly obese, gorgeous thing I never know when to start eating. Never knew. And the family were like, here we go, here we go. Still hungry. And this dog, like, they were like, it needs so much exercise.

And we would take it on a walk. And after six steps, it would lie down. And it knew the direction home and would not be fooled. And it was just so confident in its own lack of abilities. I really respect that. My godparents had a giant golden retriever called Cisco, who was a very, very enthusiastic barbecue attendee, who would, like, also just chase around being like, please me, please me, please me, please me. like he was starving when also quite an overweight dog.

Oh, they're so good. We've done this thing with No, no, whereas we don't give her any human food, and she's a little bit clueless. Oh, you're so smart. See, the thing is, my brother has a tiny, tiny, tiny chihuahua who rules the roast, and Pip gets made his dinner every day and eats things like salmon and rice for dinner, and it's like, well, then you're on the hook forever. I can't even manage that for myself.

Do you know what I mean? That's just, like, I struggle to get, to make myself out. a wholesome meal. That sounds like something I should eat. Completely reasonable. Yeah, yeah. Peter will be like, my brother will be like eating a pizza while feeding the dog scrambled eggs and you're like, how has this happened? How has this occurred? Yeah, it's impressive. I guess that's love. Oh my God, she's so cute. I must stay focused. Right. We are in Melbourne, the beautiful city that is. You live here? I do. Any recommendations? We only have a week

left. What should we absolutely do? Well, I feel like you might be busy with the festival. It's an hour a day. Yeah, but it is, is it? No. Emotionally, it's 25 hours a day. Like, how long, how long does it, like, the ramp up to your show, do you start just going, I can't do anything else? 15 minutes before. Really? Oh, God, no, I'm like, my shows at 725, realistically from 4.30, I'm a wreck. Is this some new information to you? You both shocked by your answers?

No, that's been completely right. Consistent feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about you? Ooh. Didn't get any. Yeah. Sorry, I'm so sorry.

Hannah went to For the benefit of the listener Hannah went to drink some water and Catherine was like Ahah we're chatting We're having family time But it's also half empty So you can't like a sip is

You're not sipping from the top There's a delay No I had to really I didn't get this I got at 3 like 45 degrees No I want you to have this Me and Catherine were talking What's your plan for Christmas

Well no I'm not going to talk about Christmas What I will say is this You can drink this Is that during my show I have one of those twisty bottles And because I talk time's up go because I talk so fast during my shows the break to unscrew the water bottle feels like it wouldn't anybody else to show so interminable that everyone's like please Jesus say

something so I never gets drink any water well I usually have a bottle of water with a little sippy straws oh you're clever no because then a pro well kind of but then you have to do that in front of paper yeah that's it just like I'm great I'm so clever and it is like for the environment don't mind if I do it and it's like it's like it always just look so juvenile every time. But this year, I said Jenny was setting it up and made my producer. And I said, we're in the art center this year. Let's have glasses.

Yeah, live a little. Yeah. And then she said, well, which glass do you want? There were two options. And I couldn't decide. So she put both of them on the chair. It's like, yeah, I'll just. And then I made myself make that decision I couldn't do alone.

That's so impressive. In front of it. No, I can't. I don't drink on. stage. There's just two glasses and every time I go to have a drink, I'm like, I don't know which glass to have it out of. Really? I thought the panic would force you into doing decision. That's so ridiculous.

I just walk over and I can't. No, you, seriously. We need to find a solution to that. Yeah, that's crazy. That is unsustainable to dehydrate yourself on stage every day for an hour because you're looking at two glasses. Not least because you put a riddle on stage.

What is that? Someone needs to make a choice on your behalf at that point. What happens if you do drink one? Does a door open? Does a trapdoor go? We'll never know. Wow. I taught the last night, I guess. That's such a pity.

That's such a pity, but I also understand the stress of it. You know, there are some, and I haven't done a full survey, but it's only guys I know of that do this. Okay. They brag. This is like, I never drink water on stage. That feels like a male comment. My audience, my audience doesn't pay to see me drink, and I don't think I don't see, they care. But also, those men definitely drink beer on stage.

Like, they want to. thousand percent drink beer on stage but they don't pay to see me drink good lord wow do you ever get the like you're like i don't want water but you put a fizzy drink on stage and then you have to deal with the gas no i've never no me neither i wouldn't that be stupid helen's the act i've seen burp most on stage i'm like gurgling yeah from acid reflux sometimes on stage she always eats too late this is the burden of also being 15 minutes yeah yeah like a full three course No, three-course minutes. I see two small dinners.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One for burrito, one hungry jacks. Yeah, I get it. And then, but I'm like, oh, it's all right, because it's like the adrenaline will take over the overfulness. And then I end up like gurgling. It's not what adrenaline is. But adrenaline, adrenaline, no.

No, adrenaline removes everything else from your body. Because you can have a cold and then you go on stage and you don't sniff. It's called Dr. Floodlights, but that's not, it doesn't remove stuff. Flood Lights. Oh, they say Dr. Theatre in the UK. Dr. Floodlights. No, that's roo shooting. No, footlights.

Footlights. Oh, man. Doctor, that's root shooting. I, no, stop. I'm not going to be judged, okay, by someone who just said, oh, no, that's roo shooting because I eat too late before my meal. I loved, I just loved the idea of floodlights. Wow, Hannah's playing much bigger games than me.

They're like, well, that'll be there. The floodlights will sort me out. Wow, okay. You're a driving movie theater. Dr. Floodlight. No, but I feel like you don't get ill on stage, right? I can have really bad hay fever and then be on stage, and I'm not, like, sneezing and scratchy.

I haven't had this experience, but maybe because my adrenals have just... What's the adrenal? It's where adrenaline comes from. Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. I This is fascinating I'm enjoying this interaction I'm a nice person

but not very bright I feel akin Oh wait Are you not very bright either No I'm not a very nice person Oh right No I'm joking No

I'm I struggle with my intelligence I think you're both smart But I can see How the gaps meet each other And that's a fascinating interaction holes in some way okay so I've had I do understand the cold I don't understand like you know when you're feeling a bit and hangovers it's a great cure for hangovers yeah but not food that's

physically sitting in your belly yeah and then and also a wisdom tooth I had a wisdom tooth impacted wisdom tooth on stage the floodlights didn't get rid of that no I'll bet they wouldn't yeah a brake lights no good oh my god I had a broken leg Yeah, fuck you did you do shows with broken leg? Yeah, that didn't help. Did you have to sit down? I was in a wheelchair for some of that. And rate seating.

I know, the right stage was, have you ever been like just slightly inclined? Yeah, you're slightly wheeling down. Yeah. No, stop it. Yeah, in Glasgow, in Glasgow. And it's like, and then they... And we were just doing a sound check and they're like, I said, this feels a little tense.

Because, yeah, I didn't want to put the brakes on because you have to have, I feel like, I feel obliged to movement, yeah. Yeah, I understand. But then I'd like do a bit of gesticulation and just drift forward. And then there was, they said, no, no, there's like a little board at the front. So it's like flat stage and then just like a little. What kind of reassurance that's to be like, no, there's a natural break? So the wheelchair will stay on.

And then there was a net there because it was the orchestra pit. And the net was there, not for me, but for the magician. Who was a magician, Janet? Darren Brown was like the same venue as Darren Brown? Not a magician, a mentalist, and we must remember. Yeah, let's be respectful, please. Who are we being respectful of? Darren.

I was going to say of magicians. I thought ghosts. I, no, where are we going with this? Oh, yeah, it was there because when he hypnotizes people, they can sometimes fall off. And so it was there for them. Yeah. And I just imagine just that.

Straight people are crazy. Are they? They're wild. Thank you. The stuff they get up to. You're mad. Are you straight? Yeah.

Oh, you're mad. Why? I don't know. There's a following. Oh, right. Yeah. Fun to gang up, though, eh? Why?

We never get to do this. It's fun. Come on. Let us have it. Okay, so you won't tell us what to do in Elvin. What about this? I don't do anything. What sort of things do you like to do?

I don't. I guess I just thought. I just tried to have a drink. Do you have like a favorite place to eat or drink? But then you don't want to tell people because ultimately. Oh, that's true. They'll go to them. Oh, yeah.

How about this instead? How about you tell us? Because this one's quite useful, and it's the last week of the festival. Where would you say is the best place for a public cry? This is an interesting question. Thank you. I don't cry.

Right. Only time I cry is on an airplane. I understand. I'm not a big cry, but I have this thing with my girlfriend where if I think an ordinary person would be crying, I say crying. You start crying? No, I say crying.

You say crying. What? I don't know. I hate to picture. I'll explain again I have he's Irish OCD no I have OCD so I'm on quite like strong anti-anxiety antidepressants and often I feel like where if I were not medicated I would be crying okay but I can't cry so I'll say crying you'll say the word outland I'll say like I would so that she knows that like I would be crying it's like this I'm so frightening I'm sorry no because can I

say why well i was just like maybe a few words around it or you just like fine we have shorthand now because but like i guess i feel like when i say dog i'm not a dog yeah yeah except like i'd be a dog if i could oh my god me too the dream life the fucking dream life but you're not dogging yeah and that is important and you know what live your life yeah and i've always wow i really thought this would be more easily understandable and now i feel exposed no no no i think it's just that crying on a plane is like scientifically more likely to happen like Apparently you are more emotional in that air pressure. No, it must be physiological.

I refuse to believe I'm more emotional. I read something. I once Googled it. I once Googled it on my life because I cry every single flight. Then it's not a Trump card. I've got. I've got it on my life I googled it. I really love and respect you.

I need you to like the hearing. Wait, isn't not a Trump coach. You do because like, right, you watch Marley and me. on earth and you get emotional, you get in the air, you will not breathe. No, you will, and you will get a face rash from crying. No, no, I, this is, I, do you know the secret to Mali and me? It's just called me. There's, I, oh my God, even the dog's upset about the movie.

I know, it's triggering to Nuna. But no, that's the most awful thing I've ever had. The sequel to Mali and me is called me. Is it, oh God, that's tragic. Works as a synopsis for the first film, too. Hello, Luna. So I cried watching Mali Me over someone's shoulder, no sound. No, stop.

So they're watching it on their little screen. And I'm just like, the dog's not like a real proof. And it's not, as the film started, I didn't even, I've never seen the film, but I know it happens. Like, there's no starring dog in a film that doesn't die except Benji, except he's dead now. Beethoven. You're so right. Oh, Beethoven. He does all right by the end.

He does, but there's lots of different dogs in there. Oh, oh, no. I was like, babe, and they went through, like, so many different pigs. It's a line. It's a line. Milo and Otis, do you remember? Did you have a Milo and Otis film? No.

That was the sort of, it was a bad film when I was a kid. It was like a cat and a pug. Just go on, like, a journey. I would love this. Why? I would. It's real wild. It's a wild film, but it's so clearly not made under the auspices of animal protection.

Oh, no. There is, there is a scene where, like, a cat gets cornered on the top with these birds, like, you know, coming and pecking at it. And it's like, oh, I'm at a cliff. I don't have any other option. And then cut to your, the cameras at the bottom of the cliff. No. And there's a cat. Like, they threw a cat over.

Fuck. To get that shots. Like, it is a wild. Maybe it was a stunt cat. Maybe it was a stunt. You don't know. Yeah. Maybe it had trained.

I looked it up once on. Oh, okay. On your life. You googled it? I got my laugh, I googled it. That's not the Trump car. You think it is. You tell them.

God. Well, you had a question about Neil, didn't you, Helen? And there are no segues at this podcast, but that's all right. I just, we've never had someone from Tasmania on the podcast. No, but I was, I lived in Tasmania before Neil made himself. No. You know the community and you know the world. I do know that world.

The listener might not to please explain. I also know that who wouldn't play? with Neil, traffic cones. Okay, so for anyone who doesn't know, there's a seal that lives in Tasmania called Neil and completely unaware that they're a seal, genuinely believe full human. They come on to land every day,

they play with traffic homes, they go up to people's houses, they knock on the door, they ruin their cars, they ruin the garage doors. My sister is literally obsessed. I get like five different updates about Neil throughout the day.

Like, we are fully into this little adorable fuck. And every single night now, the police on Tasmania have to go. going, like, scream. Is this still happening? Yeah. I thought it got removed. Where has he been put now?

He's being put back in the water each night, but they've given up in the day. They're like, you know what? He'll do what he wants to do. But in the evening, these Tasmania police are like, right, Neil, bed to talk, back, big, back you go. And it's so freaking good. I know, yeah, I know this. I know this.

But did you ever, like, have seals coming up into your house when you were little? No. Oh, what? I was from the Northwest Coast. So the seals hang around the colder. parts of Tasmania, which is the south or now Hobart, we had, what did we have? Quakers. That's West Australia. Hot and Rottenest Island.

Kangaroos. Paddymelons. What are patty melons? Yeah. I feel, I feel, yeah, I feel, that feels xenophobic. Just a little, you know, they're like sort of little kangaroos, tiny kangaroos. Like, I feel like, Canada's, Australia is full of kangaroos. It's like, there's a big kangaroo, and then there's like a Russian,

doll of kangaroos? Like penguins? Like fairy kangaroos? Yeah. All we down to mice. Are mice and kangaroos the same? No, no, but we have native kangaroos that are so little and they hop around and you're like, that's got to be a mouse. And it's like, you just killed a marsupial. No, I've never

done that, but nope, I have not done that. You said re-shoots to Malia. I did, do not. I've never been roo shooting. Is roo shooting a genuine thing? Yeah, yeah. Why? I'm from that part of the world, you know, where they get the trucks and the floodlights, Dr. Flood Light. life and go rush shooting i've never done it don't like it it makes me uncomfortable but it is part of my

world if anybody's watching on the youtube feel free to go back and watch my dead eyes as i didn't know what roo shooting was earlier but laughed along and now what's the penny drop what did you think it was i don't know i just thought it was like a farming thing yeah which i guess it is but um fuck you they call them well in some places yeah they yeah look i'm not in charge okay i i don't I think you do it willy-nilly. I think I don't know. It depends on the personality of the room. It's just a thing Bogans do sometimes.

But that was back in the day. They might be... Oh, I thought they boxed. The kangaroos. Yeah, they do that. I've seen those videos on issue. No, they don't. They went around my school when we were younger.

They were like, you seen what's happening in Australia? And it's just these absolute units of guys going like, here we go. Here we go. And they're just drunk. And the kangaroos probably a bit drunk as well. And they're like... Kangaroos are built too. They are like...

They're stacked. Yeah, they're stacked. I mean, not the tiny mice one apparently. and the seal place in the UK? Yeah, well, my family are very passionate about seals because they're a sanctuary. Where's this from? Who invented this in your family?

What, the passion for seals? Yeah, and everyone's just sort of gone on board. I think my sister's a very strong force in our family, and she's very passionate about animals. So now we all are as well. That's great. That's great. So we, she's obsessed.

I bet she didn't get into drugs. I know, I've got. What a relief. What a relief. She'd kill us all. She, there's a Cornish seal sanctuary. Love it already. Where they, really?

Okay. Well, okay. They've had a couple of losses recently. But they take in, they take in seals who have been injured and they keep them and they they're rehabilitated them and then release them again. But some of the seals are so injured that they put them in the tank called the unreleasables. Just mangled seals. So mangled.

I want to go. traumatic brain injuries. Will you take me there when I'm in the UK? I would be honoured. We would be honoured. I would just lost Diego and Ray. I believe that's where I would be. Well, I've had a lot of medical interventions as a human that fixed me out,

but I don't imagine like, you know, honey, you've been hit by five cars. I'd be in there. You'd love it. At what point is it the cars that are hitting you and not the other way around? Is it three? Is it four cars? Four. Yeah, I think there's a point in which you have to be like, you have an issue with cars.

I have cycling, so I maybe don't have a great, it's just odds. It's just odds, the odds. Yeah, okay, well, those are some bad odds. Yeah, so, you know. Do you drive? Now? Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. I didn't for a long time. I didn't for a long time.

What age do you when you got your driver's license? 32. Oh, it was 35. I got it last year. Yeah, well done. Thank you so much. Are you a good driver? No. You are.

Okay. Well, it's what a roller coaster. I can't drive, so I don't. Well, yeah, I can move the car with Hellen Camp, but I, you know, I recently reversed into a parked car. Whose fault was it? Who's just say? I was rushing it came out of nowhere. It was stressful.

It was stressful. But I called my dad and he was very excited to be sort of back in the dad mode. Yeah. Because you don't really call your dad unless it's a car crash, do you? I don't. Can I tell you more about the seals, please? Yikes. I see that that was a crazy question to ask.

No, no, my dad died. I'm sorry. I've just died. So I've just made it. I'm so sorry. That's why I pause. I'm like, I don't, I shouldn't just go dad's dead because it would be funny to me. But then I'd put that, but I'd already put that feeling in the room.

So then I just. Nathan, we can cut the part where I mentioned dad. I'm so sorry. No, it's fine. He was not great with cars. Okay. He used to do a thing called a technical tap. The car would break down.

And he'd just go and just get a wrench and tap the start of motor. And sometimes it would work. It was, it worked enough times. It worked feel right. It worked enough times for us to believe in magic. Holy shit, it worked sometimes. Yeah, but not enough for us to feel confident. But was he turning the car off and then turning it back on in order to do that?

Yeah, and then you just get out. We had a wrench in the glove box. I'm going to do that. I'm going to get a wrench for my glove box. I don't know. Yeah, this was an old car. I think there's a lot more that different stuff goes wrong with a car. I don't respect to your dad dad, but that doesn't feel right.

No. You can just tap with a wrench and be like, we're all good. It worked. It worked. It works. It's a starting. It's a thing. Wow.

I definitely want to take you to the seal sanctuary now. Yeah, please. I feel like you might. Well, yeah. You know that we know you're... The unreleased. Dad's dead. We've got to take you to the seal sanctuary.

You can buy merch for all the unreleasedables to support them. They've got their own line of like mugs, magnet, tea towels. Oh my God. Helens of touch the magnets. How many do you have? I don't have enough to have this conversation. Okay. I guess so.

Oh, I wish I knew that. I would have brought you an unreleasable seal fridge magnet. There's one called Marlon that just lies there. He's blind and he cannot stop dribbling for the life of him, bless him. Oh, God, he's good. And the stories... How did he always go and they're... Oh, no, no, it's clear when they're not in the water.

Really? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they will have their, like, stories. And they're like, oh, like, he got hit by a bow. And it's like, no, no, no. This sweet seal ran into a bow 100% full pelt. I wonder if we put them on stage, they'd clear up. Are you saying that all of the clans are broken people?

Yeah, but the footlights. Under the foot. Oh my God, of course. They'd be Doctor Theatre would fix the seals. That'd be heaven. Doesn't it also feel like so Australian to be like, they'd clear up? They've got significant mental and emotional health problems. These are genuine dramatic brain injuries.

They'd clear up. They'd clear it right up. They'd really make a killing. They'd make a killing. My PTSD's gone. Really? Yeah. Because I sometimes think I don't have depression anymore.

And then I get depressed again. Yeah, but it's only on stage. You're like, I'm not depressed. Right? Really? I don't know. Interesting. We have all these serious questions we said we were going to ask you.

Let's fly through a few. How do Australian audiences compare to the UK? I have an opinion on this now that I've been here a month, but what do you think? I think, well, I think we'd have very different ideas because being from a place helps. Yeah. but I I sort of also think maybe Australian audiences

don't want you to fail as much that's very interesting that is so interesting UK audiences for some reason that felt like a judgment no but they do feel like they I think they do take themselves as sort of king makers

UK audiences they'll decide which is fine we can work around all different talks that's not fucking fine are you kidding I'm going to go back to the UK go out

thinking that they all want me to fail a little bit but once you get they're fine but it's just that sort of like you know think you funny i'll be the judge of that yeah whereas Australians it's like oh my god i'm already laughing i think that's the difference between irish and english audiences too i wish people are like well right now let's have a good time english people are like let's yeah we'll see let's colonise this space yeah we'll let you know we did such a good job doing that don't say we weren't good at it though you know it wasn't right but my god come on there also remember that i'm not full english i'm half jermines so i'm half clean so i'm not going to it fully dropped into that mess.

So did you just... What? I'm just like, I'm not full English. I don't want you to be like... Did you just drop Germany into that to make it better? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you heard right? It doesn't make any sense, but it was

what you heard. I think... I will say this, and I don't know if you'll agree, and maybe it's a controversial, but we're leaving soon. So, but I think there feels like a... When men don't like my act here, they're furious.

Oh, I don't perform in front of many men these days. Yeah, they've sort of cold. You've made it. They're self-cold. But that's what I was going to say is they have self-culled for me in the UK. Yeah. But where they come in the UK, their location, be like, well, this is an accident, but a happy one nonetheless. Or like, uh, not for me.

But here they're so mad at me. Oh, they're furious. They're furious. But I kind of find it. How do you know this? Um, their faces, the words they say during my show, the messages they send me afterwards. It's like an anger I haven't sensed. in a while.

What sort of anger? What words are they rapping around? Well, this has often been the case for me for a stand-up, which is that like, maybe because of how I present, there's a point where like half an hour in,

men will be like, well, the lady's been talking a long time now. I should probably talk. She's probably going to need some help. But I've had two men interrupt me with basically like how much they hate of the show. And then... What, during the show?

Oh, yeah. one man took an opportunity of a setup I did to be like basically like I was hoping you'd stop talking and but his wife message me the next day to apologize which is never a great sign when you have to write that message you think oh gosh pack a bag my love but but she sent a message that said don't worry my husband liked most of your show which is so funny because it's like oh you actually think I care um about the wrong thing here

but I guess I just sense like a sort of like um I guess I'm like what's up with Australian men that there's like a feverish sort of rage that I haven't detected in a while. And I was wondering if, well, I don't know why I'm asking you. Yeah. The last person to know what's up with Australian. I'm not found that. That's insane.

Is this depressing? Shall we go back to Seale? What time is your show? 725. Oh, that's certainly. Yeah. Maybe it's a late one. No, no, no.

I don't know what's. They come in hot. What's your flyer? Like, you give, you put, it's like very like my. Are they picking up the wrong thing? That's what I keep thinking. I'm like, the show's like, woman, queer, talking about queer woman stuff. What's the name of you?

show um again with feelings yeah like truly you know what i mean like it's not like bro bro bro no that's my show it's wonderful how do australian men treat you they're bloody love it yeah i'm just getting sprayed they're hosing me down stop it jeezas uh thank you for having me in your country i got to get a hose in the night it's been quite handling i'm sorry i just wondered if you felt like that was a there is a cross section of Australian men who have a seething anger probably unresolved

unresolved trauma from World War I World War I! World War I! Yeah, we just haven't dealt with it. It's rolled over from that. Christ! Okay, so it's really not about me. It's a racial trauma of World War I is still affecting Australian match. Yeah, yeah. I feel like that's less about me then. Great.

Okay, woo. Was Australia in World War? Yeah, we were the shit before the shovel was you actually how boats I guess that's a lot of boating yeah it's a long way to go

oh yeah what side were you on I mean that's how we got here the white ones what side were you on the English yeah slay yeah well but indeed

yeah I didn't know you guys did I'm so into World War I'm so into World War I and World War II so into that you didn't know that the Australians were you don't get mentioned yeah but that's because you're English Thank you. We talk about ourselves all the time. Yeah. Everybody else talks about themselves and you guys.

You guys only talk about yourselves. Didn't hear my favorite thing about World War I in World War II? So they were like, oh, we can only have like tall men. And they were like, we need to have them all over like five foot nine because that's like what we see as soldier height. But then people were just getting killed so much at an awful time of it. They were like, oh, we need to get in more men. So they made three short battalions for the short kings.

And they were like all five foot. five and under they could run through the trenches they didn't have to talk no helmets in but could you imagine being a german soldier and being caught by the short battalion and they're like hi hi that would be devastating hands up we go all like it's just the best thing of all time it's actually gorgeous i wish i'd seen them that sounds adorable the short battalion they unfortunately all did die good god that's a classic war it's a short story. I am,

we have to do a problem from a listener. I've got so much more to say about World War I. I know you do. Just to check for you in Turkey? Yeah. Not you, but like,

okay, cool. Anzac. Oh, the biscuit? I've had that. Yeah. It's very good. Yeah. Can I ask one quick question

before we move on to our listener problem? And it's because if I don't ask this, the lesbians will come for us in the comments. Okay. Obviously you worked with Jillian Anderson. Oh, yeah. I guess I should technically ask you like, by the way,

you're so good. in sex education yeah you're so good in it we will not watch it um that's fine oh my god unbearable i wouldn't want to watch myself either but you're genuinely brilliant in it okay good so good i trust the edit you know yeah and i you're so good in it okay wow did you enjoy it i enjoyed it i enjoyed this is the first i really engaged with it oh my god i loved it and also you were such a treat because yeah you're just you were very very good and such a believable character and a version of something that like we all know but did you enjoy the job what do you mean the version because you know who i modelled it on my brother no way i don't just act like my brother well

Well, I really saw that. Does your brother know that? No. You should not tell him. Oh, no, it's sweet. It's a character study. That's such a funny character study. That's so, in a way, I'm intrigued to meet him.

Is he around, is he doing a show at the festival? Yeah, around's a fruit and vegetable shop. Wicked? Yeah. Here? Yeah. Oh, my God, tell us after where. I'd love to go.

I'm going to check him out. Okay. You're like, what's your deal? But wait, so did you enjoy working with Gillian? I did she's she's a real pro yeah i fucking bet she is yeah is she tiny in real life yeah i nearly broke her because there's the scene where they're like i don't think that made the edit i think it did apparently because it was well coming out of this radio station situation yeah and i was supposed to just tap her on the back and that's when i called a little fella

and i was just like got a bit too much behind it and i lifted her off lifted her off her feet and just moved her forward a little bit and she's like And everyone's like, do that again. And she's like, yeah, again. I'm like, I don't know. I don't think we should. Like, I felt, I bruised someone the other day doing that. I just had to push past in her doorway, but I like was like,

Oh, that was a stranger. One take. Oh, no, it was for like a filming for Estabonito. Oh, yes, another. Yeah, she sent me pictures over the progress of a bruise over like a week. Oh, wow. Jesus. I'm 6'1.

I'm quite belt. Like, you will be injured around me and that's not, you know. Yeah, don't take it personally. I'm like a leny of my cement situation. Just hugging, you know. Too hard. Oh, I can't believe you lifted Gillian Anderson were just a tap on the back. That's a cool story.

Yeah. Yeah. She was great. I, uh, professional. Yeah. In the zone. Yeah. There wasn't a lot of chit-chat.

That's kind of cool though. Do you, would you like to do more acting? Yeah, look, I don't think there's a lot. I don't have a lot of range. And I am not a stopped character. You know what I mean? So I don't know how much is going to be out there for this guy. Okay.

For your brother? maybe you guys could play twins one time do you look alike um at least Jenny's laughing Jenny's like Jenny do they look alike All Gatsbyes kind of look alike What a badass thing to say

But also what a spooky thing to arrive at If you meet your extended family and go Oh There is eight of you From Tasmania but Gene Paul small I hear that I'm from Ireland I really get you Right let's get into a listener problem Before we do, what kind of advice giver would you say you are?

A little brutal. Yeah. Do people come to you for advice? No. Interesting. All right, here we go. I thought I want to ask you. But I just, this is the first stuff really acknowledge that.

Well, it's a way to set a boundary, isn't it? It'd be incredibly brutal and then people won't ask you. Yeah. I feel like that's my word. Can I ask you some advice? Yeah, sure. I need to think of it first. I don't want it to be brutal.

All right. Here we go. So this is from Kay. Hi, Kay. I, right, okay, here we go. I have suffered from social anxiety for as long as I can remember and this is particularly triggered

when I attend some kind of group class. I find it really hard to join in with others so if people are talking together I will just stand on the side awkwardly. I also fear looking stupid in front of others when trying something new. This recently came up when I wanted to try pole dancing again.

Any experience with pole dancing? No. Yeah, that's okay, me neither. I'm just like, I'm, yeah, guy. Okay. I'd been a few times before a while ago with a friend and it was really fun, but this time I came alone and there were so many people in the class and everyone seemed to know someone else. As there were so many of us, we had to share a poll, okay? And I just panicked after the instructor showed us the moves we needed to do because I didn't feel comfortable doing

this with a stranger staring at me and waiting for their turn. So I just left without saying anything and now I don't think I can return as the environment just made me so uncomfortable. Do I just need to suck it up and push through and hope I become more comfortable? Or should I try to find another class with just one person per poll. Should I get a poll at home and just use YouTube? Thank you so much for this podcast. It brings me lots of joy. I love you all. Wow. Oh, so much to unpack. There's a lot there. I have experience with the poll. Oh, you do? So maybe I should go first. I, when I was 18, if there was a poll in a nightclub. I need some context. How old are you now? 33. Okay. Just about 80 weeks ago. Congratulations. Are we still celebrating? Ideally, yes. Okay.

No, it's done. You have to call it, and it's called. Oh. It's done. I'm kind, Catherine. Sorry. And I would sometimes dance on it and hope that people thought I had a mysterious past as a pole dancer. I don't know why.

It felt important at the time as a teenager. Did you know how to dance on it? Not really, but I'm very confident in those sort of things. And I've got really big breasts. Yeah. And, like, that will distract. Yeah. Tell the story.

Yeah. 38 double j so like if they're out like in general were they out really well if i could like they're just like low cut yeah so that would be my experience so i would say um definitely k is it yeah i'd say just do that i feel like you don't have social anxiety there you go i do and no one believes me because you shout me i was telling katherine this in the car over i was like I think I thought of a new bit of stand-up because, like, I literally don't go out. I don't go drinking. I can't handle the groups.

Like, yesterday was the first time I found myself and, like, a big group of people outside of a show and I just, like, walked off down the road. I was like, I'm just not doing it. And like, if I say to someone, like, oh, I just don't, I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to come out this week because I don't want to go and hang out with the groups. It's just too much. They just sort of go like, oh, no, you don't have social anxiety. But then when I take a problem on Kapol's Favorita, I'm not binging in front of them, but they believe

that. any words you just said then when you want? How one? No, say it again. I need to catch up. Okay. When you had a do, da, da, da, da, da, da, but.

So. No, I don't need the whole story. Just say the words again. When you had to something, something. Oh, wait. So I tell someone I've got social anxiety. Yeah. And they're like, no, you don't.

But if I say like, oh, I've got like, if I'm a compulsive over eater, they go slay 100%. Right. So why does no one believe me? Hannah, it's a trap. It's not a trap. It's not a trap. I'm genuine.

This is going to be brutal. No. What's happening here is not social anxiety, it's group anxiety. Ooh, interesting. Because the dynamics of a group is so complicated and you have to keep track of stuff. And, you know, it's too much. And someone always thinks you're being rude if you're not talking to them or you're ignoring someone or like... Do they?

I think they? I think they. I don't know. No, you don't know. I don't know. You're projecting. Whoa. But I don't have a projector.

Oh. I'm projecting. Yeah. Maybe what, wait, group anxiety, social anxiety, is that not the same thing then?

Well, like you're feeling anxious now? Now I am. Because we're questioning it. But you weren't previously. No. So it's like, you can be social with a small amount of people that you know.

Yeah. Yeah. I struggle with that. Oh. Like that social anxiety then. Well, like this, I guess there's,

there's levels. I'm joking. Um, like this is just, Like, also, like, also, I don't really have, I don't think I have social anxiety. I have social confusion. So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing, what I'm supposed to be saying, and I'm guessing all the time. And that makes me anxious.

But just the idea of talking to someone doesn't, you know, it's just like, I can't probably hate me anyway. So you just go a little dead inside. Is that you projecting? No, no, it's just doing math. So the chances are that someone won't like every, you know. Won't like everyone. Yeah. So sort of like, you're just going to with the law of averages.

They're probably not going to like me. What are you going to know about? That's such a intensely pessimistic view on yourself. Thank you very much. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not an, I like you, Hannah.

But thank you. But a group of people like a class doing something new adds a level of, especially with a bit of a spread eagle happening in the possibility. is upside down on a pole. Yeah. That's a level of vulnerability. Probably doesn't, you probably don't want to be in a social situation doing that.

Can I say, though, I think the context actually skews the opposite way, which is to say that I think people who go to a pole dancing class are more open, more vulnerable, more inclusive, more open-minded than me or indeed most people. Like if you're going to a pole dancing class, you probably either have confidence or are looking to engender confidence in yourself. So you're probably going in with a supportive, mindset of other people. Maybe it's like comedy. People think the comedians are confident.

Yeah. Mm-mm. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. But also I think, I reckon you need a class with one poll per person, but that's just from my point of view of, like, hygiene. I think one poll per person is a reasonable rule. I don't want to be sliding down a pole. I don't mean, I don't want to be full stop. Oh, God, that even made me feel like just saying. Not even as a fire, maybe. No. Oh, my God. The pressure, too much. Um, but getting dressed quickly is the one that I, Yeah, it's never happening. Although I do like the idea of having a uniform, not having to decide what to wear. But listen, I think...

I'd be running into the blaze with my boots on the wrong. Oh, God. No, one person would tell you was a dog in there and you'd be dressed like that. Come on, come on. I think you need a class with a pole per person so that this isn't an issue. I also think, like, I've walked out of classes before, as in, I've walked out of Pilate's classes before when I've gone in thinking, like, I'm going to do this today. And then I get in there and go, I'm not in the mental space. I don't want to be in my body.

I want to be a floating head today. And then I've left. And nobody else, the thing I will say to you is that in most exercise classes of any kind, people are so focused on themselves because of all the hangups and anxieties that causes. They won't even notice. This is a comforting thing. So just like there's a good proportion of any group that has social anxiety. Yeah.

And those people are so focused on. there's just no way they're noticing you or remembering you do you know like they're just not yeah but also don't you think this is this person's like free time and this is a fun hobby and if it's going to bring you any sort of anxiety then like go find somewhere else yeah go enjoy yourself this is the light's hard enough this is your fun thing just enjoy yourself okay but a poll in the home is a big commitment of all in the home is a phrase I didn't think I'd be saying so much today but a poll in the home feels like a huge commit where you put it at a professionally installed is man.

Oh, 100%. Yeah, but where are you potting that? Middle of the kitchen. Do you think? 100%. The slippiest floor. Something's in the microwave,

something's in the oven, on the pole. It's not a bad lot of the kitchen. I don't really know. What are we doing on the pole? What do we do? Spinning, rubbing, climbing, falling.

Thrusting, I guess. You're doing some thrusting. You can thrust on a counter for free. Have you seen Jalo's routine in that film about something else? But we only watch the clip where she does the, yeah, yeah. Wait, what?

That was such a lesbian nod. That was queer meets queer. Wait, you've got to film you in. There's some film about something, but J-Lo's a stripper in. Made in Manhattan. No, no, she does a full polar routine. It's about Bradley Cooper does something. Doesn't he just?

But yeah, just wow, just Google Jalo's polar routine. I don't know the film. Just not. You're both really, your eyes are both lit up in a way that is. Oh my God, it's phenomenal. So, hey, listen, while you figure out where to put your pole, why do you watch that? I might watch it later. This is bringing you anxiety and stress and this is your downtime.

This is your fun thing. Like, let it be fun. But sometimes anxiety hits you because you're in an unfamiliar environment. So it's like, you know, maybe try again. Yeah. At least you know what you're getting yourself into this time. Yeah, see. I like a case, case a joint.

Give up and run. I know what you mean about casing a joint. joined. I think like regularity and familiarity is pretty useful. But I do wonder if maybe I'm so the idea of sharing a poll. I don't know why that feels so grim to me. But you're thinking of fluids. Well, I have OCD. Yeah. All I can think of is the sound. You know, you get that like skin on. I'm like a whole room full of that. They didn't include that in the J-Lo clip. Maybe that's why they play the music solo. Yeah. Check's out. God, she's good. What a woman. Also, there's so many other X-Fi classes. I think Jenny from the box up. I think. I reckon so. Well, I haven't watched the documentary, but... I feel like fame changes you. Do you?

Yeah. How many times can you marry Ben Affleck and still just be from the box? That's such a good question. Do you think fame's changed you? Yeah, I'm struggling with it. Really? It seems awful. No, like, no offense.

It seems so bad. It's weird because it's just changes the way people treat you. Do you think it has... And I don't like change. But do you think any of those changes? are for the good? It's probably neither here nor there, but the change itself is, I find it really hard to adjust too.

Jarring. So it's like, I, uh, I spent probably 35 years of my life walking unseen into rooms. Yeah. And now that doesn't. And, but now it's like, maybe I'm seeing, maybe or not. And then at the end of an interaction, someone goes, oh, big fanny of work. I'm like, I thought we were strangers. Yikes.

Which is fine. It's fine. It's all nice, but it's like, just that sort of. understanding how people see you is weird and also people put a lot more pressure on meeting you and so far as like you it's your time like you're like having a day but they're meeting Hannah Gadzi yeah I work very hard to disappoint people early good for you good for you sometimes I'll just say I don't get any less awkward and I go yeah all right just feel like just

observed in general just like just there's not as much as a problem could be because I'm a bit oblivious I can be in my own little world sometimes I say that Jenna I was like I got something on my shirt people keep looking at and she's like you're famous remember how you're famous were you 35 when you did Annette uh no 40 when I did in there wow 40 wow I saw it in the assembly oh my gosh so good like a tiny room I saw it you saw it live I saw it live in that room when I fucking loved it so was that when I had the wisdom tooth impacted you know I was doing Nanette when I had the impact. Holy shit, it must have been.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. It was the worst. I was doing that show, which was horrible show. Well, I mean, it's great show, good show. Love it. But hard to do, I imagine.

Shout out to Nanette. Shout out to Nanette. That's the clip. Shout out to Nanette. We hope she's well. We hope she's thriving. That's so funny. But, um, yeah, I was, had to have a, like, a clipo, icy pole on stage.

It was like, oh my God. And then I went to a dentist. I said, um, um, Sarah Kendall, her dad's a dentist, and he was in town, so we spoke to him. Oh, my gosh. And then, so he's like, you've got to get it. You can't. You can't.

This is bad. And then so rang out the dentist and got an emergency appointment. She said, oh, the only, the only appointment time we have is 2.30. I'm like, I know. And I laugh. And I said, you're kidding me, right? She said, no, no, no, that's all we can offer you, okay? And I'm like, no, no, it's fine, but 2.30?

It's like, yes, it's the only time where she was really. I cannot have heard this for the first time. I know. And I felt gaslit. And I'm like, 2.30 is like tooth. 30. And she's like, oh, we've just got a different sense of humor. I'm like, oh.

Were you like story of my life? Come on. I guess we have a distance. Live with the impacted wisdom tooth. It is not worth going in. That's like, to me, that's like this dentist has no empathy. I can't go here. He didn't answer the phone.

Yeah, I guess. I guess. But anyway, so then he just took it out. Like, I don't remember giving consent. He's just got these. Scottish bear hands and just went in and just removed it like a fence post. What with his bear hand? It just felt like you know like a fence post and just yanked it out and it felt amazing

immediately. Really? Yeah and then for a day and then I got dry socket. I don't know about dry socket but the clot that is healing it drops out and then that's it you've just got bone and nerves just out there to the Edinburgh wind and And so the last week of shows, I was, I was living the misery. Do you feel like eating and drink on one side? And the floodlights didn't help. Do you think it made the performance better? Well, more the, I don't know.

I think it was that show. The distress. I really feel like there was a good time to get it and it was during that show. That room is so small for that show though. Yeah. Which room at assembly was it? It's like 50 people. Yeah, and it was like a lecture hall.

And everyone had a little desk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We sat at the desk. It really felt like... New Assembly George Squire. It looked like a teacher was going off at you. It really felt like tutorial time, but like the teacher has brought too much stuff to work. Yeah, not enough boundaries, teacher.

You know what I mean? When you see a show in one of those rooms, it's so good, but like it's too personal to like, it's so intense. It felt like someone kicked off at a family reunion. Yeah. It was like, oh, it was like, it's a bit like... Well, I feel like if I'm doing my shows in the West in at the minute and it has a sort of, as you say, hello delegates quality. and it does feel like yeah you're supposed to be selling

some sort of timeshare but instead you're talking about your dad and everyone's like what why please stop yeah it's intense well oh my goodness

Hannah Gatsby shout out to Nanette what a pleasure to have you hey I doubt there's anybody listening who wouldn't be able to find you well that's creepy

I know physically find you and I met what I said and I know that I'm going to be the seal sanctuary just follow the floodlights it's fine follow the corner

seal sanctuary obviously always I shout out listen for the sound of cruise shooting. Yeah, follow the kangaroo carcasses. Oh, Jesus. Hansel and Gretel. That's so dark.

But wait, where the hell can people see you? Are you going on a European tour? A lot of our listeners will be in the UK. Are you going to be there anytime soon? Yeah. I don't know we've announced anything, but there's, there's rumours. All those rumours. There's rumours I might.

All right. You're going to come with us, I can fairly. I reckon you will. Yeah, maybe just a holiday to see the seals. Maybe just a Cornwall. Yeah, we'll meet you there. You know, on the way down, we can stop at the donkey. sanctuary. Oh my God. How many sanctuaries are

a lot? So many. We're to a sanctuary tour. That would be heaven. I'd love to take you. Like an animal hospice tour. That's basically what it is. It's the donkeys and the seals and there's something else. Imagine that's a suffering animal. Which one are you thinking of? The Puffin Island Lundy. Is that? Because the puffins are fine. They're not sick. All right. They're just

I'm assuming you want to see the sick animals. That was. Oh my God. Can I just say thank you so much for doing our podcast. No one. We didn't think that you would. Well, the people who approached us also said, you won't want to do this. And I think I might have a little bit of oppositional defiance.

And I'm like, I will. Yes. That's how we get all of our big guests and that. You'll never agree to this. Only the brave do this podcast. Oh, my gosh. Well, thank you so much for coming in. Have I got to see, everybody.

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