Trusty Hogs - Ep141. MAILBAG SPECIAL / Tombolas, Teaspoons and Taylor Swift

Episode Date: July 4, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi Hogs, it's me, Catherine Bowhart from Trusty Hoggs. You get it now, you know me. Hey, guess what? I'm doing a six-part radio series, and it's every Friday night at 6.30, so they're letting me have the big spot. How exciting. The show is called TLDR. I did a pilot for months and months ago,
Starting point is 00:00:15 but they need an audience, basically, for all six weeks, and I'm worried that it'll just be the radio for elderly people. So if you could take your youthful selves to the website, sRO audiences.com. Please, I'd really appreciate that. and you can put in a code hoglet, H-O-G-L-E-T, like a little hog. Isn't that cute? And then you'll get priority access to the live shows. They've recorded every Thursday night for six weeks in a row
Starting point is 00:00:40 from the end of July to the start of September, so there's two in Edinburgh as well. Basically, I'm doing a show called T-L-D-R and you can get tickets as a guarantee if you're a hog listener if you put in hoglet. And I love it if you were there, otherwise it'll just be me and the poshner, who I'll be very grateful to see as well.
Starting point is 00:00:56 Welcome to episode 141 of Trusty Hoggs. We are dressed for the summer today. It's so beautiful. Do I smell that? No, you smell like summer. Do you remember last time we had a problem from C and now I'm paranoid? Don't. I'm paranoid.
Starting point is 00:01:12 No. It's all I can think about. No. I hope that her boyfriend's okay and I'm like, oh God, am I a smelly? I'd never smell you. Why? Full stop. I just, you just don't like.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Okay, well, I'm stressed about it, but anyway, yes, I'm basically, I'm basically naked. I'm wearing the thinest dress. I own. Can you see my nip? Well, I always can because I've got one of those brains that are just sort of like pulls in the gaps. Do you know what I mean? First thing I said to Andrew today, do you remember?
Starting point is 00:01:36 Yeah, you can see my bold. He was like, I'm wearing shorts and I'll like, I can see the bold. Oh my God. I could see it, but I didn't say it. Well, you've got to. What you've got, let him know. Let the boys know that you've seen it. No, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Let them know that you've seen it. It's registered and say thank you. Well, I didn't mean to see it. You're welcome. We were outside and I sat on the curb. A wonderful package. I don't want to talk about this anymore. Tell him he's got a wonderful package.
Starting point is 00:02:02 Andrew is a Kendall and I don't want to think about it beyond that. Through the fog, step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah, you're going to give me your problems and they will solve them. Or maybe they won't and that's your problem. They'll have guests. and Andrew White on the tech Oh, it's Helen and Catherine And the trusty hogs
Starting point is 00:02:33 Trust the trusty hogs Or maybe not That's what I said Hi, how are you today? I'm so good Yeah, the sun's out Doesn't it change everything? It's beautiful
Starting point is 00:02:46 I might walk home after this How long a walk is it from here? Probably like an hour and 15 hour and 20 oh i love that for you in the sun yes in the sun i've got so much good stuff to listen to at the moment when you're listening to well like okay it's a new not another DJ yeah please please please please please but like I've also got like lovely albums to listen to I'm finally getting back into Taylor Swift like Helen what oh my what okay what so I have my first Saturday
Starting point is 00:03:23 night off and um i got invited to because my girlfriend was away and georgie's husband my georgie my best friend my other best friends i already said um her husband was away she invited me over for a sleepover we watched two films the next morning we get up it was heaven by the way did watch two films oh thank you for asking challengers sexy er uh oh it's pretty weird to watch porn beside each other and am i okay tigna taro's new gay film about a woman coming out late in life you'd love it. I haven't seen it by amazing. Dakota Johnson plays gay.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Great. But here's the thing. I was loving the first 20 minutes it. And then the theme of the gay show becomes friendship and you're like, gay film, you're like, what? And then nothing happens. But it's hard to say it. I feel bad plagging off a gay film made by a cool, queer.
Starting point is 00:04:08 You're not slagging off, which is not the narrative you wanted. I'll obviously watch it again because there aren't any gay movies, but yeah, shame. There are some gay movies. Happy feet. you're right you're so right um and then we ate dominoes and then um we slept in oh heaven do you know adult women don't do that they do no no and then we but so shout out francis quinneth and emma black the reason oh my god i can't believe they all share it about with you so um they won't as they know you're a gay but panic well join the patron yeah so
Starting point is 00:04:51 oh yeah Helen came out oh listen to the patron um in the weirdest anyway your hair is fabulous I can't focus now listen we went the next morning yeah to a spin class that was Taylor Swift themed stop the era's cycle class and honestly it was phenomenal it was round by the most homosexual man I've ever seen here's the thing I was beside I feel like every time you get to an exercise class it's the most it gets gayer it gets gayer each time you're going to do a class run by a feather bower like just stuff by the poet in the wind and all the girl's like yeah what a walk out it feels a bad I will totally sign up for that class no but truly so this guy was running this class it was like 40 straight
Starting point is 00:05:36 women and myself and georgie and the woman beside me was American and sang every single word of every single song and it was honestly so hard I was hurting so much the next day it was so fun and joyful and joyous and the time flew because if it turns out when you love the music everything's great But 42 minutes into this 45-minute spin class. 45 minutes of spin. This guy goes, this is so random, but like, I don't even really like Taylor Swift.
Starting point is 00:06:03 The mood turns. It's still playing, but suddenly there's silence. We're still sweating, but suddenly it's cold. Just you can hear everyone's breathing. Oh my God. No one blinked. There was just staring. He, watching this man backpedal while he forward peddled,
Starting point is 00:06:21 was astonishing. That was strong. He completely imploded. He was like, ah, no, I mean, no, like, I'm more of like a Kendrick guy, but I, like, I love it. And I, I'm loving it. And I, no, I definitely, just like you are giving my exercise in the class ago. I, I'm giving her a tap.
Starting point is 00:06:38 I, he just apologized for the next three and a half minutes and then everyone basically stormed out. And it was the funniest thing I've ever witnessed. And then we went to Sundays in Brooklyn, to get overbrides brunch. And then we got pedicons. It's an overbride. It's an overbris. price of brunch places and not a nice yeah lovely and um but like six pounds for a piece of smoked salmon you know what I mean as a side and you're like excuse me what um and then we got
Starting point is 00:07:02 pedicures and like I got disco toes disco gold glitter glittery toes yeah oh my god that is such a wholesome it was so wholesome it was so whole not the sun comes out and everyone just goes more wholesome I went to Brighton just to have lunch with a friend like like always like whenever I go to Brighton, it's like, I've got a gig in the evening, so I'll either see, like, a friend, or I'll go, like, spend time with my sister and my dad, but it's like, there's always a reason, and it was like a Monday, I had nothing to do, and I was like, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, I'm coming for lunch. I'm coming for lunch.
Starting point is 00:07:37 Wait, did she ask you? She, well, she had to say yes, not going to my friend. Alice Angel, I'm coming to lunch. God, this bar really suits you. It was so good. I'm wholesomless back. Did you go anywhere nice or go to her eyes? mange two
Starting point is 00:07:51 what's that it's really nice it's just like it's close to the station and it's like a French bistro place and what did she she had an omelet
Starting point is 00:08:01 and what did I have these crab cakes Devonshire crab cakes and some fries French fries they're fucking better have been they better have been
Starting point is 00:08:15 they better have been and it was bloody gorgeous read my book on the train so I didn't have a gig to think about. Like, I'm going on a holiday next week and I actually can't wait to read my book. I was just saying to you outside, my screen time,
Starting point is 00:08:28 I just got it this morning. You know the way it wakes you up on a Monday with your screen time? Yeah. Six and a half hours. I'm, that's crazy. I think that's where I'm at, mine's for like Pokemon Go and my game week. I don't talk about anymore. Mine's just from emailing. It's awful.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Awful. Anyway, I then decided I'm going to try to do no phone and just have a nice time. And I can't wait. I can't wait. Oh, and I made a beautiful meringue at the weekend end with my edible flowers from the garden. Who are we?
Starting point is 00:08:53 Summer girls. I will say this. I'm very jealous of your summertime bob because I feel like I've chosen to grow my hair long and I'm thrilled about it. But wow, wrong season for it. I'm so warm. And you just look like you're getting a lovely breeze on my head. What I will say about the summertime Bob, I cannot just scrape it all up. There's always hang down. Okay. So like, you know, when you can like pile it all up either though because I hate how I look with my hair on. I get the falling down. See, I look good down or up. I just got one of those faces.
Starting point is 00:09:19 You do. God, you do. Like, I'm just one of those women. You are. Like, try and make me look bad. I couldn't. Fucking. Couldn't and I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I've noticed something. Go on. You know, when you're with like a friend or like family or whatever, you need like a group photo taking some takes photos. Do you want to check it? Are they okay? And I always say, I can't take a bad photo. And they always go, oh, ah!
Starting point is 00:09:38 And it's like, that's a fine thing to say. Like, don't worry, I don't think of any bad photos. I saw the single most, like, model-esque, beautiful woman on Instagram the other day, being like, I'm a different. like I'm a dermatologist and this is my little oh no like I'm an ecstetrician she basically does like plastic surgery she changes women's faces and she's like she does like she feels people's lips and stuff like that and she's like I just want to say that you know when women come into me they're so beautiful and they're
Starting point is 00:10:05 for treatments to change their face and I you know I'm there to help them I're to enable them I want to empower them but I also just want to say like they're there because they want to look like how they look in photos and I just want you to know that like have you ever taken a picture of a sunset and then looked at the picture and thought wow that doesn't do it justice you are the sunset oh i was like but you your job is changing their faces i love that no oh my god what have you ever taken yes it's like people film fireworks and it's like it's not the same and we are the fire oh my god we're katie perry i'm a katherine wheel you are a katherine wheel but do you ever feel like
Starting point is 00:10:47 Like a plastic bag, drifting through the wind, wanting to start again. Like, what sort of plastic bag wants to start again? Like, it's a grim life, isn't it? As a plastic bag. Like, you're born, no one wants you. They're annoyed they're paying 5p. They feel guilty about it. Let's do this thing again.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Yeah, they don't throw you away, so you just to live in a cupboard somewhere for ages. And then when they do use you, it's for rubbish. So you're in a toilet bin. Like, yeah, it's not toilet bins. It is the worst life to live, a plastic bag. Not the worst, but it's pretty bad. I'd rather be a cup. Just good chat, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:11:27 You want to tell you what's happening with me? Please. Everything has kicked off at Patel Bauer Towers. Really? Go on. We've got a ghost. No. No, you don't.
Starting point is 00:11:42 One morning. No, you don't. One morning. No, Helen, hang on a second. Sorry. A ghost has appeared in the summertime at your house. Or Sonella is a compulsive liar. I'm so far going for that one.
Starting point is 00:11:53 Go on. Right. He went. We were waiting in the kitchen. He went, where did all these teaspoons come from? Because we've got six new teaspoons. Like catering style, really flimsy. You know, those like awful ones that like bend when you wash them.
Starting point is 00:12:05 The kind do you get at a hotel that you're staying when you're a comic? Bidding. And I was like, I don't know. I thought you got them because we always like, teaspoons are the first things to run out when we'd have them washing up for a while. Yeah. And it's like, okay. I thought he got them.
Starting point is 00:12:16 and he was like, no, I didn't get them. Did you get them? And I was like, well, no, you clearly got them because I know I didn't get them. He was like, oh, I wonder where they came from. And then he went silent. And I was like, well, you got, just say you got them got them because this is now, like, pissingly off for some reason. And I got so annoyed, so, you know, for like no reason. I was just like, just say you bought them. And he was like, no, you bought them.
Starting point is 00:12:34 And I was like, well, you brought it up. You're the one that brought them up the conversation. So then in a fit of rage, I go, well, if you didn't buy them, then they're curse. I'm going to throw them away. And I was standing over the bin with like six teaspoons. And he was like, well, I didn't buy them because he was like waiting for me to crack. So I put them in the bin just to like make a point. I don't know what I was thinking.
Starting point is 00:12:49 I was in a bad mood. And you said everything's kicking off and you have a ghost. You meant you kicked off and went mad. But he, I knew why didn't buy them. So I knew he bought them. And I was like, this is such a pathetic lie. Why is he doing this? And it was like, I was clearly.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Do you guys ever leave the house? Just not often know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he was like, oh, I didn't get them. And I was like, oh, okay. Then we left at like 10 minutes. And I went back to the bin and I got them out
Starting point is 00:13:14 and I washed them because I was like, that's really bad to just sort of like throw away teaspoons yeah and then I was like just admit that you bought them
Starting point is 00:13:19 and I didn't and then we were like okay well Neil O'Rourke was over yesterday maybe he brought them as a prank so then I call Neil and Neil's like your fucking mental
Starting point is 00:13:27 no I did not bring teaspoons to your flat and then me and to Neil we both swear we didn't get them and it's got to the point where I believe him because it's like
Starting point is 00:13:35 my anger was so mad that you would just go okay you're fucking mad bitch like calm it down I bought them I can totally see him escalating We've had six teaspoons appear out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:13:46 And genuinely out of thin air. No, you haven't. We have. Do we get him on the phone? No, I don't care enough. I'm just saying someone's brought me to the house. No one has. No one has.
Starting point is 00:13:57 No one has. Or like from comedy clubs. The only option is Neil O'Rock. And he thinks I did it because I stole a teaspoon five months ago. Okay, so you have form. Because I was doing ADR and they brought me a drink and I had a teaspoon. And for some reason I was like, ha ha ha, can I? keep this teaspoon they went yeah and I went sleigh and I put it in my bag thinking I put it back
Starting point is 00:14:17 later and I didn't I took it home and he's like it's the same brand of teaspoon but I haven't gone back to that place to do ADR so it's the generic brand that probably ever has you've probably taken one from here you've probably taken one from a friggin I haven't stolen one from here he's that we've got a we've got a ghost bringing teaspoon I don't think so because we thought we had a knife appear after we got burgled because where did this knife come from and I was like I've got no idea and he was like just the robbers leave it and I was like I don't know which feels scary. So it could be the burglars back to leaving different forms of coppers. Yeah but they didn't take anything.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Yeah but it could be like a threat. We've got a ghost. A ghost who is bringing us silver or a crow. Do you mean magpie? They don't give them back. No crows and ravens, they gather things that they like you and they bring you gifts. Oh do they? A hundee pee pee. A hundred p. You can train them. Gwyneth's trying to train one at the moment in the park.
Starting point is 00:15:04 She wants to have a raven that brings her stuff. Shout out Gwyneth Keyworth. I feel like I passed out. Has this been happening? the whole time this is a big event in my life what do you guys think is the reason andrew i think one of you just forgotten that you've got teaspoons no but we haven't we haven't they've just you know what fuck all of you my friends thought this was very exciting we were all are coming up with theories getting at all of you of just looking at me like i'm some sort of freak are friends the ones who train ravens in the forest yes she's trying to train it she hasn't done it
Starting point is 00:15:42 Yeah, it's on her vision board for this year. We made manifestation boards together, me and Gwyneth, after Christmas before New Year's, and one of hers was to have a raven friend. I guess I can just see how a woman who's into, like, training crows in the park might have more time for your ghost spin theory. Yeah. And I'd say, I, a woman with, like, a job and, like, parties, like, stuff to do today.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Gwyneth's got a job. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's in between jobs at that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good goal. to have to be friends with a wild bird what a lovely thing to work on isn't she an eel pervert as well she is an eel pervert as well yeah yeah but she's fine she's doing really good she's doing well i didn't say she wasn't my friends are all doing like we're just we are a successful
Starting point is 00:16:28 group that's so cool who are just like thriving in our chosen fields we're getting see on teapids that's what we choose to do yeah that's great i saw one from adr and teaspoons are a very nickable thing You're only making the case for why you've definitely stolen them. I agree with you. Yeah, but I have not stolen these. Have you said so? I think between the two of you... Why am I getting so angry about this?
Starting point is 00:16:51 Why does this infuriate me? I didn't buy the teaspoon. I never said you bought them. I have a single message you about that. No, but I've never said you bought them. I think the two of you will have accidentally taken them from a couple of places and now you have a couple more. No.
Starting point is 00:17:02 And the fucking myriad of male comics that you have sitting on your... or like sleeping over on your couch every now and I'll probably bring them to. We've only got Jordan Brooks tonight. Yeah, tonight. But there's always... There's always some clown in your house. I'm not too soon. Oh shit.
Starting point is 00:17:14 I just remembered we've got Jordan coming to stay and I have just stocked up the freezer. What does that mean? Like I did an ice cream shop. But why does he need a freezer space? He's staying for one night. I did the... No, no, but he will... They might go into the freezer.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Because, you know, people are fucking morons. Do you know about this? Yeah. Okay. So people wait for it to be really sunny to go do that ice cream and ice lolly shop, which is the thickest thing. Right. Because it'll be gone.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah. So you need to look at your weather app. And three days before, go and stock up on everything. So at the moment, I've got a box of bounty, ice cream bars. Big thing of vanilla ice cream, bought a tub and a teller to melt and drizzle over the top. I've got, Saneal's got his magnums. And what else did I get? Valencia orange ice alleys from Morrisons.
Starting point is 00:18:04 But if I had all these in, I just eat them all. I know, I do. Yeah, it's a real problem. Yeah. I would binge. Yeah, no, me too. yeah it's tough yeah so your concern is that they'll have one of them while you're out no two inch minimum two inch yeah yeah they'll just assume they're alive have you not
Starting point is 00:18:21 have you not seen men and ice cream I have to say that's not I'm something I wish it's a stereotype it's Andrew I I um we got a magnum three box because it was cheaper than me and my friend buying one each yeah so I just had two magnums in a row yeah they're out of control yeah and I've got a binge eating disorder and I think that's disgusting It's gross. It's gross. That is minging. One and a half. Come on. I once pounded two loaves of bread in an afternoon, and that for me is too far. Were you putting anything on the bread? I shouldn't be asking anything on the bread.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Anything on the bread? Yeah, like butter. Anything, yeah, like a jar of peanut butter to go alongside it. Because if you get rid of all of it, it never happened. What kind of bread? Healthy, healthy mind. I'm asking all the wrong questions, but what kind of bread? Oh, just like cheap sliced bread. Really? Not even like a tiger life? No, you're punishing yourself at that point.
Starting point is 00:19:07 And also a tiger life, very tricky to binge because it's got, um, A very, like, tricky crust, and you might cut your gum. You ever cut your gum on bread? You're a complex woman. I'm a very complex woman. But I'm thriving, and that's what matters. And it makes me think, wait for this segue. You ready for it?
Starting point is 00:19:26 You braced? And it makes me think, whilst I'm thriving, a lot of our listeners, you guys aren't. That's no one. You're not thriving. Some of them are. Excuse me, Helen. Excuse me. Some of them might be.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I wonder how we'll find out. Let's hear some updates and problems for what is supposed to be a mailbag special. How long have we spoken for? That's on me. That's on me. Let's do it. Let's do it. It felt like two hours, though.
Starting point is 00:19:54 Don't worry about it. Hey, oh. Andrew, do we have... I'm kind. Sorry. It's just the spoon stuff really. It's something to my brain. You know where your brain like turns off?
Starting point is 00:20:06 Do you know what I'm talking? Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Andrew. God, yeah. Andrew, do you have updates to our listener problem? I have several updates, one very, very recent and one a bit in the past. Oh, how exciting.
Starting point is 00:20:22 We'll start with the recent one, shall we? Yes, please. In fact, I think it was only a problem about two, three episodes ago. Right. Can I guess which one it was? Go on. Yes. Was it the one where they wanted to go on the Hindu, but the Hendu was so expensive?
Starting point is 00:20:33 Yeah. But there was only like four of them or something left. Yeah. Oh, my last one? Yeah. Is that one? Yeah. What is the Hindu happened?
Starting point is 00:20:39 The Hendu has happened. Oh my God, tell us everything, tell us everything, tell us everything. Because we were saying our advice I remember was you should just say I'm coming, but I'm going to sit out of the perfume making because that's outrageously expensive. But I'll just be around the corner and then I'll rejoin you and no hard feeling. Which, by the way, me, Emma Black and Ellie Sauter are organising and going on. Amazing. Yes. Yes, that was episode 139.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Sorry, tips that go. Thank you for advice. It was much more mature than I actually ended up doing. Yes. We're better than you. we're better than you we're better than you the message with this podcast
Starting point is 00:21:13 we're better than you that is our tagline trusty hogs we're better than you I prefer Michael Otto Wiley's last week trusty hogs the last resort
Starting point is 00:21:25 also fair also fair go on what do they actually do and they say I didn't want to put out of activities because then there would only be three guests at the Hendo
Starting point is 00:21:37 so my friend T and I decided separately that would be happy to pay and what activities would be happy doing then one of us will put a pre-prepared message into the WhatsApp group and the other would immediately like it and add a message of support we did this with every suggestion that was made the hen do went well i make em do this in the trusty hugs group do you no i'm fucking with you guys i'm fucking with you relax oh holy shit i'm going to go through all that later just have a night on
Starting point is 00:22:10 Count your spoons, go on. The hen do went well, and the bride had a lovely time. The perfume-making activity got dropped in the end, thanks to our campaign, which was for the best. When I told the bride what the original plan was, she said she had very sensitive skin, and most perfumes gave her a bad allergic reaction. Slay for rushes.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Dillay. Why have I said slay? I don't approve of saying sleigh so often. Helen was meant to give us five pounds every time she said, I don't know if you remember that. Wait, you are such a weird. Weasel. Why would you say that, you little fuck?
Starting point is 00:22:44 Like, Arthur I've been so nice about your bulge and everything, and then you're like, Helen, we're supposed to give us five. Shut the fuck up, Andrew. Shut up. I bet he's doing the fucking story, Catherine. Shut up. Shut up. What was that?
Starting point is 00:22:59 Shut up. Shut up, Bob. Piss me all. What are you like? What's in your? Sorry, Andrew. Sorry, Andrew. Andrew.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Andrew, Andrew, you shower your bulls to make her feel better. Ah, he did. Homana, homina, homo, homo,
Starting point is 00:23:18 homo, homo, a, Homano, I just did a Sharon stone. Congratulations, race! He just did
Starting point is 00:23:25 his full Sharon's tone. That was so exciting. And I saw everything. No, you didn't. Those are heavy cotton shorts, everything's fine.
Starting point is 00:23:34 There's some big balls. Oh, my God. Come on, please. He's a child. Stop everyone. He's gay. It's up for you. So am I.
Starting point is 00:23:42 So am I. Sometimes one day. Mm-hmm. Go on. We were a bit sneaky, but it worked out in the end. Thanks, R. I think they came up with a better solution than we did. Immaturity wins, baby.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Immaturity wins. But it's matured to have a friend and be like, hey, let's tag team in this WhatsApp group. I'll put, because putting a message in a big WhatsApp group and not receiving support is tough. Remember the Melbourne jail? That was tough. Yeah, it was tough. Especially when I came and showed you to support and then you steal my videos. online about how you were there by yourself.
Starting point is 00:24:12 I also did pay for Catherine's entry to that. Yeah, because I didn't want to go, and I insisted that I didn't want to go, but you kept making videos about how you were there alone. Poor Helen. And sending pictures of yourself outside alone. No one wants to go. Even when I'd already arrive. My God, I can't.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Yeah. We have another, very exciting long but worth the update. Yes, please. From T. Long but worth it. Andrew, you don't have to tell us. That's the whole podcast. Let me talk about something for 47 minutes, but there will or maybe might be a pale.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Okay, go on. So this, I think we did this problem back when we were in the shipping container, so many moons ago. Years ago? Yes. What was the problem? It was a problem about realizing that I had feelings for my best friend of six years. Okay. And this is from T.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Hi T. Hi again. Wait, excuse me, that could be so many people who have written into us. That is true. They were, I'm pretty sure they were like six formers, like young teenage boys. One of them was, the writer was definitely gay. They didn't know whether their best friend was gay and whether they were, a vibe or something.
Starting point is 00:25:10 What did we say? I can't possibly remember. Really good things. Really, yeah. I feel like you'll have said you have to say it and I'll have been like, just leave it alone. I think we would have also been that annoying thing that we do where we're like, you're young, it's not that big of a deal that you think it is.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Yeah, okay. All right. Yeah, that does ring a bell actually. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't mind it just do it. First of all, thank you so much for your amazing advice. Yes! That was good here.
Starting point is 00:25:36 I was 90% sure that I was going to tell him, but decided to take a few days. days to thinking about it so that I could be totally sure that's what I wanted. During those few days I came to the realization that this is not just a crush, I'm completely in love with him. Immediately after realizing this, I phoned my mum in a panic over the revelation whose brilliantly blunt response was, of course you're in love with him. Me and your dad have been staying so for years. Yes, mom, come through, yes. Unfortunately, the timing of this realization cannot be worse as the next night I had to go to my sister's birthday drinks,
Starting point is 00:26:08 which I knew my best friend had been invited to I think of the university sorry rather than before I can't begin to describe how terrified I was on her birthday I arrived at the pub which I only realised later was the same pub we'd met in
Starting point is 00:26:21 at a pub quiz six years ago right or a small village it's either a phase or a small village took one look at him and decided to back out of telling him I pretty much avoided him for the rest of the night
Starting point is 00:26:33 and he thought that I was ill because of how nervous and like, you know, avoidant I'd been. I told my sister the idea of telling him how I felt had become far too real, and I was going to have to either bury my feelings or move abroad or jump in a while, always an option. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:51 Oh, my God, he needs a really oversteppy, gossipy friend who just tells him for her. Tells him for him. Yeah. I opted for burying it and spent the entire night third wheeling a couple I knew from uni. Obsessed with his energy. He came over when I was ordering a drink at the bar.
Starting point is 00:27:08 and asked if we could talk outside. Unfortunately, a fight broke out at the other end of the bar. A glass was smashed and I looked down to realize that several shards of glass were in my arm. It's taken a violent turn. Wait, wait, an injury with someone to act to the protector can sometimes be hot. No? This is such a level of drama. Okay, go on.
Starting point is 00:27:27 I'm honestly hanging on every word. So shards of glass is arm. Yeah. My best friend took me to A&E. Yes. To get the glass removed. Your dream situation. Your dream.
Starting point is 00:27:38 situation. Pity and sexual chemistry? Whereas I would be like, do not look at me, do not look at me, do not help me, do not help me, do not help me, do not help me. I'm like, do not help me, don't even look at me. I don't have a body, don't look at me. Obviously, when charged a glass of being removed from your arm, there is some blood involved.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Yes, there is. I'm not a squeamish person, but the combination of stress about keeping my secret, having a drink and now being in pain meant that the first light of blood made me faint. and it's really like your fucking dream I mean for anyone who's new here I did do a stand-up show
Starting point is 00:28:12 two years ago about how I was like wanted to be a fainter so fucking bad at school I know I thought it was the sexiest thing like just like oh no
Starting point is 00:28:21 and then like yeah I got you just like lifting up the ground like so one day one day I'll paint
Starting point is 00:28:30 now now a few hours later I'm told that my arm is free of glass last and I can go home. Not that I remember much of the process because I've been in and out of consciousness and on morphine. In and out. Oh. And I'm morphing. At this point it's about 3 a.m. And we both are hungry. So we got food and sat in the hospital car park. Just as I was about to suggest heading home, he turned to me and said, do you remember what you said last night?
Starting point is 00:28:56 There was about eight seconds of dead silence whilst I realized that I told the person most precious to me in the world that I was in love with him on a gurney in A&E while some of conscious and slurring my words. I genuinely could not think of a single thing to say, so we'd have sat there in silence for about 20 seconds before he told me that he's been in love with me for years and hadn't
Starting point is 00:29:17 said anything for fear of losing me. I'm so happy to say that we are officially together and that I've never felt more respected, secure or loved in a relationship and I want to thank you guys very much for encouraging me to bite the bullet. Thanks so much tea. It happened. I have goosebumps.
Starting point is 00:29:33 We had a happy ending. I have gooseby. Baby gays round of applause for the baby oh my god always get involved in fights and pubs always always run into it oh my god that's so
Starting point is 00:29:49 cute I knew it if you faint you fuck it is a media that you sorry that is the sweetest thing I've ever heard and it's all thanks to us
Starting point is 00:30:05 We did us. It's all us. Us and morphine. We did a baby girl. We did it. Trust the Oaks and morphine. Trust the Ongs and morphine. That is the show I'd watch to be there.
Starting point is 00:30:17 It happened. Oh my God. I'm like moved. You know, whoever you are, wherever you're listening, tell them you love them. Just go tell them right now. I love you, Catherine. Oh, what a beautiful story.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Do you ever feel like Alan Bartwood was like, I love you? Yes, I do too. in a why. So gorgeous. Yeah, really sweet. Oh my God, actual full body goosebumps.
Starting point is 00:30:45 That was so cute. Feel emotional. Oh my God, I'm so sad. They're going to break up soon. No, I'm joking. Oh my God,
Starting point is 00:30:52 I want someone that I'm in turn all over saying I love you or not. And then they say that they love you. They've loved you all along. Oh, God. I love that. To like.
Starting point is 00:31:03 To Neil. To Neil. Oh, no, yeah. Sorry. To like go through all of that angst of like I'm in love with them like will I lose a friend and then for it to work out is so special it's meant to be just like you and for me you really want this to happen don't you oh I just feel like I'm disappointed me and I spoke to Anna Grant at girls allowed and she agrees can I ask Catherine no because he's looking fire at the moment
Starting point is 00:31:28 his beard and his sunglasses um you and Anna Grant talking was my favorite thing of all time You know, when you, like, turn around and you see, like, two really close friends who, like, worlds don't cross over, like, just having a really nice chat. And you know it's about slagging you off. Like, there's no other way to bond. We actually weren't talking about you. You just said you were talking about me into now. No, yeah, well, we did that in front of you. And also, my favorite moment with her was when she went, um, it was in front of you when she, you handed her a mint and she went, oh, no, your palm is way too sweaty for me to accept that.
Starting point is 00:32:02 But all my friends are fucking dicks, man. I was like I get this girl I know this girl I like this girl I love Anna Grant She's the best She's the best She's so she came to girls aloud With all the comedians
Starting point is 00:32:13 She's excellent She's a hero She's an absolute hero Andrew do you have another problem for us For this mailbag special Yes I should get a problem up I was going to ask Do you want Sineil Helen to happen
Starting point is 00:32:23 Because you think it's The best thing Or do you just not want to meet another person Add another person to the friendship Oh yeah do you think it'd just be easy Because you know Sineal I don't know Sineal I think it would take like 50 years to know
Starting point is 00:32:36 Samil Yeah you guys have a really specific easy relationship It's like hey hey Yeah It's like what I would say is No I think you guys functionally do exist As a Platonic couple right Like you yeah
Starting point is 00:32:48 Yeah I think in the same way That like Charlie Serena Ellen and I are a family Like we function as a family Yeah So but it's just always nice if I guess I just You see it You can see it
Starting point is 00:33:00 I guess I see it But I also just honestly this is such a selfish reason one of less selfish reasons it's such a shallow reason i think you'd have gorgeous children oh we would but that's kind of a crap reason but name someone i wouldn't have gorgeous children with but particularly with senile i just think they'd be stunning thank you thank you and we call all of them kathwin no you wouldn't but i'd love that little kathwin's lots of katherine junior katherine jr july oh CJ i always want a t jay because i like T.J. from recess.
Starting point is 00:33:34 That's perfect. Trustee Jr. So good. TJ, trusty junior. Trustee Jr. Trusty Jr. Do you ever think like the TV show recess had the most insane names?
Starting point is 00:33:46 Mikey. Gretchen, Spinelli. Yes, Spinelli. That was their surname, Spinelli. Oh, was there? What was their first name? Oh, like. Helen?
Starting point is 00:33:53 Ethel or something. Ethel. It was something very really like old, old worldian girly. Ethel is so back in. Yeah. Those beautiful old names. Have you ever done that algorithm on
Starting point is 00:34:03 Instagram where it's just sort of like old baby names that are coming back into fashion. Hello? What names are coming back? I can't believe you sit around googling baby names. I don't, I have to say. I don't know how I ended up on this algorithm. But it was like beautiful baby names that are back in fashion. That's nice. And it's like there's so many pretty names. That is nice.
Starting point is 00:34:21 And it always you just like you hear them all. There's so many beautiful names, so many beautiful names. And you just kind of have to think, oh, my parents chose Helen. Like it's good. It works for me. But like, I have all the options. That's the best. Anna Michael. That's the best you could do. Then again, look at their parents, Anna and Mike. Yeah, my grandmother's name
Starting point is 00:34:37 was Annabella. Gorgeous. I know, and she always went by Betty. Why? Annabella. Annabella's a tough one to put. If I was in Annabella, six foot one more would be obese Annabella, you'd be like, get out. No way. She was a very slight woman. There we do. That makes sense for an Annabella. She's five foot two, I'd say.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Five two. But my mom's the tallest of my parents and she's five two. My dad's five one. So cute. It's so cute. They're so loose. little they're so little it's so sweet do you have baby names that you like no i've never really thought about it never no no truly no truly no i've got some Ellen has some but I don't think it's nothing I've ever thought about when I was younger I was like Jade is the
Starting point is 00:35:23 most beautiful name of the time stunning and I remember I won a bear at like a fair like a tombola bear um or like my grandmother won it but i was like the one to pick the numbers so i lived at my granny's house but i got to pick its name out of all of my that savage that she was like this will live at my house but out of all of my nine cousins i got to pick the name and i called it jade and was like oh jade just makes you think it's like it was jaded whoa it's the most beautiful name wow okay i um no i once picked the lottery numbers for my grandmother who won 100 pounds and then was like you will always choose my numbers don't think we ever want to do you have a name you wanted to be called when you
Starting point is 00:36:04 were younger that you would like introduce people to on holiday when you bet i'd have loved a bet i really love to be loved to be a best such a beautiful name see my middle name's elizabeth so i always wanted a bet or lizzie what you haven't the name is jose do you have a problem for us andrew yeah there you go i liked annie and hallie from the parent trap hallie's the best i'd introduce myself to people as annie or hallie on holiday oh my god I was too busy going around looking at other ginger kids
Starting point is 00:36:30 being like and then being like we don't look anything alike can we be like shaking hands then like miming with long with it and they're like what and I'm like what
Starting point is 00:36:42 and we both like Oreos with peanut butter yeah truly also it's like an Irish playground so it was everything the kid I was like they gave her an inhaler they were like she's got asthma
Starting point is 00:36:53 she's all right she's just shocked they did you don't give her a childhood asthma but apparently maybe I just was like ready Andrew I love it if you got diagnosed asthma just because you were pretending to be in the parent trap site I was obsessed with it and sister sister oh my god it was my dream oh the want to be a twin as a kid is so powerful it's so strong but to discover your twin but every kid I mean when I wasn't wanting to be a twin I was
Starting point is 00:37:25 desperate to be adopted. I wanted to be adopted. Right? I was sure I was as well because I was the only red head. My brother has dark hair, blue eyes. My sister has a blonde hair, brown eyes. Green eyes red hair. I was like, what's going on here? And they look like my parents.
Starting point is 00:37:41 And I was like, I think every kid goes through the space. I think some of us like lean in more. Yeah, some of us are like, desperate to be. There's a twin out there and I'm adopted. There's like a whole story. Well, it makes sense that the two would go together. You know, I once found something in my cousin of those kids that would go my parents' rooms
Starting point is 00:37:56 whenever they went in I was like I am leaving no set on turn I found every Christmas present before Christmas every birthday present for my birthday I knew my mum had
Starting point is 00:38:06 every Spice Girls Barbie doll and because I knew she never gave them to me and she still got them I think that's so fair you stuck I love that for her I'd be like
Starting point is 00:38:16 you know what fuck you no stone left unturned in the Bauer household can I just say I'm really with Anne on that I really think I was the worst yeah and I also just think something and like if you can't let me like spend my money to treat you and surprise you
Starting point is 00:38:29 then you're not fucking I was the worst I really respect that well I would not want to raise me um just a nosy bitch and um I um found like you know like an envelope that's like for documents like a big brown envelope and on it it had my birthday but for my 18th birthday and I was like here's the fucking proof oh here we fucking I was like I was like I was like 11 right so I was like well there we go there we go I found a proof wait so they had an envelope that was closed but to give you on your sealed sealed envelope oh come on that would make my 18th birthday and I was like I fucking knew it because yes I do look like my sister now and you'd be like oh my god that herons not related yeah but I didn't then she was like
Starting point is 00:39:13 but also sorry having freckles like dark brown hair if I think an envelope that said my birthday my 18th birthday and I was 11 I'd be like okay so wow right and also like I know a lot of kids think but it didn't feel like I fit in with the family like I wasn't like in it like I didn't enjoy the same things I was just like I was just different yeah so I was like shit okay this is it and I thought I waited probably I waited five years to bring it up because I was like oh my god it's so much it probably a week
Starting point is 00:39:39 later I was like well I know I'm fucking adopted I know that there's proof upstairs and I can't remember the exact play out but I did open it like way before my 18th birthday but it was just like it was just like two newspapers and a magazine two newspapers from the day I was born, so 25th of March, 1991, and like a magazine from the month that I was born. And I was like, I think it might have been from like Great Auntie Lillian or like a godmother or something. You're trashed. That's such a nice thing. Like just like a get, but I don't actually
Starting point is 00:40:10 know who is, I mean, they must have died before then, because I don't actually know who was from. But yeah, it's cute. I still got some, like, I think I still got one of the newspapers and that's quite nice. I don't think it was good news. You're the worst. It wasn't like a great day in the wild. You're the worst. but yeah wow but I was so sure yeah me too
Starting point is 00:40:31 I was very very very sure and also just like it's so rude and disrespectful and ungrateful to just be like I know I'm not yours I just know it I don't fit in here
Starting point is 00:40:42 and I know there's a twin that you gave up yeah I know that oh I was sure I was a twin that was taken stolen yeah you stole me yeah you stole me or switched up birth
Starting point is 00:40:52 I was sure I switched up birth do you think that's like happening with this generation as much because we were such a like parent trap sister sister yeah with our generation 100% the moment i saw t and tamara meet in that vhs store question mark or second hand shop some sort of clothing shop anyway i was like um god that episode man they knew how to rock a hat don't you think i wish there were more hats that matched your outfits for people who aren't toddlers do you remember like their bedrooms as well was so cool like every TV show and film in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:41:26 And the shared bathroom? Hello. The Jack and Jill bathrooms. Oh my God. And when Lisa made them their prom dresses and then they fucking bought those horrible ones and they wore them instead and then they had to come back
Starting point is 00:41:36 and were like every went to their prom and then everyone was wearing those dresses and they went home and changed back into the ones that Lisa made to them and oh my God they looked incredible. I'm sorry. It was basically like it was my favorite television show
Starting point is 00:41:48 I was obsessed with it. Oh my God. I think I was more like mine as a vampire slayer. Oh, interesting. I was sister sister and Sabrina the teenage wick I mean they were we didn't have Nickelodeon until I was 17 so we always had to watch them at our minders and I was
Starting point is 00:42:06 oh my god it was I just loved them you know I still don't know how they did Salem quite frankly I don't think it's any of my business I agree it's not my business I really think that's the case of mind your own but I love Sabrina so much but like how did they do Salem I don't know Like, how was that cat moving and talking? It's incredible. So in line with the dog. Because cats don't chat.
Starting point is 00:42:30 I loved the PC game so much. Because you had to find lint. Lint. What was lint? It went in a recipe and a spell. Oh, my God. I think I had this. I loved it so much.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Ellie Salter's younger sister, Francis Sulta, had the Sabrina the Teenage Witch magazine subscription. And you got like a sale on the cat and a box so you got to fill with trinkets that you got each month. Oh, my God, the dream. That is the coolest thing in the fucking wild. Yeah, iconic, iconic. Did you think you were a witch for a while?
Starting point is 00:42:59 No, just a twin. Emma Black did. That's cool. Caused a massive rift in year six. What's the fallout? Massive rift. She was like, I'm a witch and I can cast spells and I can do things. And I was like, what?
Starting point is 00:43:14 Because I was like, no. But then all the girls were like, oh my God, us too. And then she told me that the spell was a hot potato called Potato. a hot potato, a cold potato, and that's what she was doing. And all the girls were doing, they're like, we've got powers. And I was like, well, I'm not a witch. I don't have powers. And then everyone was a witch.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And I was like, you're not witches. And it was like a big thing. I feel like this when I told you I was gay. It was. No, no, no. And now you're trying to be, yikes. Listen to the patron. You got a problem for us, Andrew?
Starting point is 00:43:46 Our first problem, 44 minutes into this mailbag special. Once again, I like to use this opportunity to say, Emma Black, you are not a witch. I think you probably are But also gutted the six-year-old Me didn't jump on the bandwagon It would have been the way funner option It would have been the funner option It would have been the funner option
Starting point is 00:44:00 Brimbrum beep beep Motherfuckers We're on tour And you can get tickets at trusty hogs.com forward slash tour We are going to Edinburgh That is selling fast Bristol's already sold out Brighton selling fast though
Starting point is 00:44:19 Shocked to see the gay I've sold it out faster But thank you so much for coming Why am I so ungrateful and we're also going to Manchester we're going to Dublin oh that'll be swell and yeah I'd say get your tickets
Starting point is 00:44:30 now if you want to come because they're moving quickly and we can't wait I love love love a live show and Helen will dance even when I ask her not to so it's going to be a good time trusty hogs dot com 4 slash tour
Starting point is 00:44:44 Andrew any other thoughts I know that's pretty good great see you there bye Let's have a problem. This is from B. Hi, B. B says,
Starting point is 00:45:01 Hi, Hogs. Firstly, thank you for bringing me so much joy since I discovered your podcast earlier this year. Trussie Hoggs is the first female and queer-led podcast I've listened to. Now I'm wondering what took me so long. I'm obsessed with being queer-led
Starting point is 00:45:15 because I'm the only... I'm the leader. Well, no. out of like the group of us that are calling involves three of you are queer yeah but that's not what baby means be mean i guess be means bow down bitches we all know katherine who's charge like 100 but b welcome to the sty welcome to the sty how exciting i love hearing that we're getting new listeners now isn't it i feel so excited by it because i feel like we are hitting our stride we also always forget the people are just joining because every episode we're just like
Starting point is 00:45:50 oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but still welcome go on anyone knew i am helen i'm katherine hii we're both stand-up comedians i'm gay and i'm the leader and we live in london england i'm queer um katherine's queer i'm i don't know on a journey i guess oh my god hell on earth oh my god do your journey in a different month this pride i'm not having this go on now i like you're introducing yourself 45 minutes into this episode 46 minutes in a hangar old way and your boyfriend have you had the experience yet of people referencing stuff because they're going through the back catalogue
Starting point is 00:46:29 and he's like what the fuck are you talking about and it's like oh that's the thing we've said yeah yeah happens every time and also um being like people sending messages about something that it's like oh that's two years ago yeah or like checking in about an interest that I know I was obsessive about but I do still get hello fresh in case anyone's
Starting point is 00:46:49 wondering big fan I am yeah I still get messages and again be like can we have a pancake update
Starting point is 00:46:54 and I'm like that hamster is really buried oh my god she doesn't even live in the house it was buried in any more
Starting point is 00:47:03 garden question mark okay ready the B says Helen I am 511 size 22 female and have size
Starting point is 00:47:12 11 feet so I relate a lot to your tool plus size girl stories and katherine your advice is always so thoughtful and well crafted and i'm wondering if the two of you can help me we can we can't size 11 nothing will stop us even if we can't we'll definitely try find me on instagram tell me where you're shopping for your shoes size 11 i'm assuming wide fit i'd hope so that's a long thin board to balance on that's a long thin board to balance on without a bit of give on either side i actually hope she's got more support yeah
Starting point is 00:47:42 I hope you're a wide fit. Sorry, carry on. B says, My best friend of 20 years has become a bit of a hoarder. I never noticed this about her until she got her own house a few years ago. At first, I talked it up to her being a busy single mum,
Starting point is 00:47:58 but as the children have grown, the pilees have only increased. I love her unconditionally, but I don't think I'm doing her any favours by reassuring her that it's okay every time she apologises for the mess in her house. I'm also a single mum, but I have more help for child get than she does,
Starting point is 00:48:14 and I want to help her, but I don't know how. She suffers with anxiety, and when I've tried to help her in the past, by doing dishes and laundry, etc, I can see how uncomfortable and anxious this makes her? Yeah. How can I tell her that I want the best for her and her family, and I'm worried her home is getting out of hand?
Starting point is 00:48:30 I've always wanted to be a source of positivity for her, and I don't want her to feel upset or criticized. Best wishes, sorry. What did you say best bitches? Because I prefer that as a thought. Sign off, best bitches. Best bitches, B. I actually know a bit about hoarding.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Do you? I do. It's a genuine, it's a mental health disorder. It's a form of OCD. It's, yeah, it's a, it can be, there's like so many different levels to it as far as, like, someone who needs to control their environment and someone who can take it to the point
Starting point is 00:49:07 where they're living in a home that is unhabitable and, like, a hazard, as far as someone who just feels the need to give every item to love and find the right home for it so they're holding onto it until that time comes if they've just got a lot of stuff it's not worth the back it's a coping mechanism right and if it's not hindering the way you live to a huge point they can live with it no I think okay my understanding no no no no I'll just say it's a form of OCD and I I would say that I've often found with OCD that people jump to help you with
Starting point is 00:49:50 the symptom not the cause and I think that saying your house is out of order is a bit like and like I'd like to help you with that or like it's a bit like showing up the only because I people find tend to find like eating disorders for example more understandable maybe because it's like I don't know why but like it would be like showing up if your friend lost too much weight as you judge it or whatever showing up with a lasagna it's kind of like showing up to help with clearing boxes for hoarding it's like that doesn't really help the problem just say let's do the car boot sale this weekend so there's such a stressful for me the question is not can I help I want to help you like your house like and it will only be received
Starting point is 00:50:41 just criticism. I think a really good starting point is, hello, are you, how are you? I think like the most useful thing you can be is a person to send things off because there's a stress underneath it. There's a cause and the cause is causing worry and the coping mechanism is the reaction to the worry.
Starting point is 00:50:58 But I just don't think that going in to solve is the way you can't do it for a... And honestly, my experience with hoarding is if you remove all the stuff, there'll be new stuff if the issue isn't resolved. So it's like finding time. Like is it, does she need you to watch her kids when she goes to therapy? Does she need to talk about it?
Starting point is 00:51:18 Does she need to confront it? Yeah, definitely don't clear it out. You're not there. No. Break of trust. And also like, it literally has to be her. Like, it doesn't help. She needs someone to talk to.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Um, and I'm not sure that. Typing in hoarder's help. I also just feel like it's, it will, unfortunately, it's going to be very difficult. Like you'll, she'll always feel just. judged and observed and it's like quite vulnerable to even let someone in your house especially when you are a hoarder and you don't want to make it in a situation which doesn't want to let people in her house because she feels judged or observed or perceived and so I would just say for me I would be it would be more a case of like how are you what's going on with you how are you finding
Starting point is 00:51:59 everything is there anything like like I would start there I don't I also just think like You don't deal with a symptom first, in my opinion. Like those shows where you watch people go in and just pull everything out of the hoarder's houses are so traumatic and obsessing. It's awful. The way I got addicted to watching them because I watched the worst shows, but that extreme hoarders and like it'd be like family members being like, they can't live like this anymore. So they'd have people shop at their houses with like three massive skips outside. They're like, let's empty this out. It's like you are, you can see this person in so much anguish and stress.
Starting point is 00:52:39 It's awful. it's horrific and also it's not medically advisable and it's also not fair and it's also not solving the problem and there will just be more stuff um and also like what other people are prepared to live with and where you're like where their line is in terms of comfortability and where yours is are allowed to be different like some people's stuff soothes them other people's tidiness soothes them okay i don't know that it affects you in a way that's like if it affects her and she's saying it affects her then I think you should talk to her about it but
Starting point is 00:53:13 if it doesn't affect her then like you introducing a sense of judgment where you don't have any I know you love her unconditionally I think it's maybe not the best thing so I'm just skimming this but they look like an interesting article on mind which
Starting point is 00:53:29 if anyone in the UK you'll know mine it's like a health like a mental health care support thing um which has like just some helping someone who hoards is what it's do not consider force clear up so offering general support there's more information but the main headlines are use respectful language like don't refer to it as junk or rubbish yeah understand that they have a connection to the objects and that's why they want to keep them
Starting point is 00:53:54 and there will be less likely to open up if you talk about their things in like a negative way don't focus on a total cleanup and it's got some links to different oCD foundation websites listen to what they want ask the person close to you what they think will be helpful. This will give them more control over the situation and show you care what they want. For example, they might want you to sit with them while they clean up or for you to help them take them to the charity shops, which is a nice offer. I think that's a really common part of hoarding is that it comes from a place of like,
Starting point is 00:54:29 yeah, the things have to go to a place. There's a home for everything and it's like holding on to it until that home is found. so like knowing where those homes are might be a good thing to just know just in case it ever comes up for me the most important part of that is listen to what they would find helpful though
Starting point is 00:54:48 like I know that's not necessarily what you want to do but that's just like let them know you're there and yeah I respect the decision yeah that's my feeling
Starting point is 00:55:02 I just think it's so hard but I think we I am not qualified and I don't wish to and our friends don't need us necessarily to therapy them like we're not here to sit in judgment of our friends
Starting point is 00:55:18 if they ask for advice I just realized that I think I'm the worst friend why the nails got us what's it called like a storage unit now down the road from us because I was like
Starting point is 00:55:31 these piles are mad But I don't think he's a It's not a hoarder It's just an untie Maybe, I don't know No, it's no It's just, it's pylies of crap It's different when you're cohabiting
Starting point is 00:55:44 One minute ago Don't refer to it as junk or crap But hang on I would be giving very different advice here If I was living If they were living with a person But they're not I think you have reasonable
Starting point is 00:55:57 You're gonna ask reasonable Certain things of someone When you're cohabiting with them When you're sharing a space But they're not sharing a space And I just think like sitting in judgment of your friends And he loves his storage unit Every time we have a fight now
Starting point is 00:56:09 Is that I'm gonna go sit at my storage unit For a couple of hours and coming down And I'm like fine, go But also sitting in judgment of your friend is so easy But often I'm doing it Like when I'm being most judgmental of my like self Or like me just want to like not look at my own life I just think like if they ask for advice
Starting point is 00:56:25 You should give it or you should ask if they want advice Like that's something I try to do Is like do you want impulse but I don't like I don't know I'm probably don't let them get a cat. What? Isn't it like? I think the word let them.
Starting point is 00:56:39 They're an adult. Oh yeah. Advise against a cat? Advise against a cat? Why? Because a lot of those, like, it's a real, like, thing that the RIS, PCA get involved or something. I swear I've heard something like that.
Starting point is 00:56:54 We don't know the level of extremes, I guess, in the situation. And I think probably what we're saying is check in with your friend, see if she's okay, see if she needs help, see if there's a way that you can support her. think maybe if you're going to point out at all point out in a way where you're like I've noticed but not in judgment my grandfather was a hoarder
Starting point is 00:57:12 and they just need a friend in a meaning way they need you to be their friend and they need you to help you if they need therapy you should help them find a therapist yes you are not a therapist and you can't be even if you're trained professional you can't be for your friend yeah I would imagine
Starting point is 00:57:29 my my dad's dad was a horder and I don't think my dad's a hoarder but he definitely does it with food as far as like in his brain food doesn't go off like it's always edible and I told you this already my sister rung me my dad ate cream three weeks out of date
Starting point is 00:57:47 and it's like you've got to let go of it myself it's not worth it he had it but like that's a risk isn't it particularly when you're in your 70s that's sort of it like that's just dads though dads eat everything they're just like nothing goes to waste yeah what's wrong with them you've got to let go of
Starting point is 00:58:02 things sometimes you must do can I leave you with a funny image but wait do you guys have any additional thoughts on that have we said I don't I'm not an expert yeah it's a tricky one because like yeah there's got to be more than just the mind website yeah
Starting point is 00:58:17 funny image Andrew oh so Neil Patel sat in darkness in his storage unit listening to Mika out of his phone his storage room full of DVDs Mika Live Mika Live Mika Live
Starting point is 00:58:35 He got an absolute DVD slap down Anna Grant was over And she was like It's a really poor DVD collection Because Anna Grant's got a DVD room Stop it No joke No joke
Starting point is 00:58:49 And Sneel was like Yeah it's small but it's really well curated I thought I liked her What a shake You do love her You love my friends Goodbye Goodbye
Starting point is 00:59:01 I'm going to be able to be. Thank you.

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