Trusty Hogs - Ep141. MAILBAG SPECIAL / Tombolas, Teaspoons and Taylor Swift
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                                        Hi Hogs, it's me, Catherine Bowhart from Trusty Hoggs.
                                         
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                                        and I'm worried that it'll just be the radio for elderly people.
                                         
                                        So if you could take your youthful selves to the website, sRO audiences.com.
                                         
                                        Please, I'd really appreciate that.
                                         
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                                        from the end of July to the start of September,
                                         
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                                        and you can get tickets as a guarantee
                                         
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                                        And I love it if you were there,
                                         
                                        otherwise it'll just be me and the poshner,
                                         
                                        who I'll be very grateful to see as well.
                                         
    
                                        Welcome to episode 141 of Trusty Hoggs.
                                         
                                        We are dressed for the summer today.
                                         
                                        It's so beautiful.
                                         
                                        Do I smell that?
                                         
                                        No, you smell like summer.
                                         
                                        Do you remember last time we had a problem from C and now I'm paranoid?
                                         
                                        Don't.
                                         
                                        I'm paranoid.
                                         
    
                                        No.
                                         
                                        It's all I can think about.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        I hope that her boyfriend's okay and I'm like, oh God, am I a smelly?
                                         
                                        I'd never smell you.
                                         
                                        Why?
                                         
                                        Full stop.
                                         
                                        I just, you just don't like.
                                         
    
                                        Okay, well, I'm stressed about it, but anyway, yes, I'm basically, I'm basically naked.
                                         
                                        I'm wearing the thinest dress.
                                         
                                        I own.
                                         
                                        Can you see my nip?
                                         
                                        Well, I always can because I've got one of those brains that are just sort of like
                                         
                                        pulls in the gaps.
                                         
                                        Do you know what I mean?
                                         
                                        First thing I said to Andrew today, do you remember?
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, you can see my bold.
                                         
                                        He was like, I'm wearing shorts and I'll like, I can see the bold.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        I could see it, but I didn't say it.
                                         
                                        Well, you've got to.
                                         
                                        What you've got, let him know.
                                         
                                        Let the boys know that you've seen it.
                                         
                                        No, I don't think so.
                                         
    
                                        Let them know that you've seen it.
                                         
                                        It's registered and say thank you.
                                         
                                        Well, I didn't mean to see it.
                                         
                                        You're welcome.
                                         
                                        We were outside and I sat on the curb.
                                         
                                        A wonderful package.
                                         
                                        I don't want to talk about this anymore.
                                         
                                        Tell him he's got a wonderful package.
                                         
    
                                        Andrew is a Kendall and I don't want to think about it beyond that.
                                         
                                        Through the fog, step forth the trusty hogs.
                                         
                                        Yeah, you're going to give me your problems and they will solve them.
                                         
                                        Or maybe they won't and that's your problem.
                                         
                                        They'll have guests.
                                         
                                        and Andrew White on the tech
                                         
                                        Oh, it's Helen and Catherine
                                         
                                        And the trusty hogs
                                         
    
                                        Trust the trusty hogs
                                         
                                        Or maybe not
                                         
                                        That's what I said
                                         
                                        Hi, how are you today?
                                         
                                        I'm so good
                                         
                                        Yeah, the sun's out
                                         
                                        Doesn't it change everything?
                                         
                                        It's beautiful
                                         
    
                                        I might walk home after this
                                         
                                        How long a walk is it from here?
                                         
                                        Probably like an hour
                                         
                                        and 15 hour and 20 oh i love that for you in the sun yes in the sun i've got so much good stuff to listen
                                         
                                        to at the moment when you're listening to well like okay it's a new
                                         
                                        not another DJ yeah please please please please please but like I've also got like lovely
                                         
                                        albums to listen to I'm finally getting back into Taylor Swift like Helen what oh my
                                         
                                        what okay what so I have my first Saturday
                                         
    
                                        night off and um i got invited to because my girlfriend was away and georgie's husband my
                                         
                                        georgie my best friend my other best friends i already said um her husband was away she invited me
                                         
                                        over for a sleepover we watched two films the next morning we get up it was heaven by the way
                                         
                                        did watch two films oh thank you for asking challengers sexy er uh oh it's pretty weird to watch porn
                                         
                                        beside each other and am i okay tigna taro's new gay film about a woman coming out late in life you'd
                                         
                                        love it.
                                         
                                        I haven't seen it by amazing.
                                         
                                        Dakota Johnson plays gay.
                                         
    
                                        Great.
                                         
                                        But here's the thing.
                                         
                                        I was loving the first 20 minutes it.
                                         
                                        And then the theme of the gay show becomes friendship and you're like, gay film, you're like,
                                         
                                        what?
                                         
                                        And then nothing happens.
                                         
                                        But it's hard to say it.
                                         
                                        I feel bad plagging off a gay film made by a cool, queer.
                                         
    
                                        You're not slagging off, which is not the narrative you wanted.
                                         
                                        I'll obviously watch it again because there aren't any gay movies, but yeah, shame.
                                         
                                        There are some gay movies.
                                         
                                        Happy feet.
                                         
                                        you're right you're so right um and then we ate dominoes and then um we slept in oh heaven
                                         
                                        do you know adult women don't do that they do no no and then we but so shout out francis
                                         
                                        quinneth and emma black the reason oh my god i can't believe they all share it about with you so um
                                         
                                        they won't as they know you're a gay but panic well join the patron yeah so
                                         
    
                                        oh yeah Helen came out oh listen to the patron um in the weirdest anyway your hair is fabulous
                                         
                                        I can't focus now listen we went the next morning yeah to a spin class that was Taylor Swift
                                         
                                        themed stop the era's cycle class and honestly it was phenomenal it was round by the most
                                         
                                        homosexual man I've ever seen here's the thing I was beside I feel like every time you get
                                         
                                        to an exercise class it's the most it gets gayer it gets gayer each time you're going to do a class
                                         
                                        run by a feather bower like just
                                         
                                        stuff by the poet in the wind and all the girl's like yeah what a walk out it feels a bad I will
                                         
                                        totally sign up for that class no but truly so this guy was running this class it was like 40 straight
                                         
    
                                        women and myself and georgie and the woman beside me was American and sang every single word of every
                                         
                                        single song and it was honestly so hard I was hurting so much the next day it was so fun and joyful
                                         
                                        and joyous and the time flew because if it turns out when you love the music everything's great
                                         
                                        But 42 minutes into this 45-minute spin class.
                                         
                                        45 minutes of spin.
                                         
                                        This guy goes,
                                         
                                        this is so random, but like,
                                         
                                        I don't even really like Taylor Swift.
                                         
    
                                        The mood turns.
                                         
                                        It's still playing, but suddenly there's silence.
                                         
                                        We're still sweating, but suddenly it's cold.
                                         
                                        Just you can hear everyone's breathing.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        No one blinked.
                                         
                                        There was just staring.
                                         
                                        He, watching this man backpedal while he forward peddled,
                                         
    
                                        was astonishing.
                                         
                                        That was strong.
                                         
                                        He completely imploded.
                                         
                                        He was like,
                                         
                                        ah, no, I mean, no, like, I'm more of like a Kendrick guy, but I, like, I love it.
                                         
                                        And I, I'm loving it.
                                         
                                        And I, no, I definitely, just like you are giving my exercise in the class ago.
                                         
                                        I, I'm giving her a tap.
                                         
    
                                        I, he just apologized for the next three and a half minutes and then everyone basically stormed out.
                                         
                                        And it was the funniest thing I've ever witnessed.
                                         
                                        And then we went to Sundays in Brooklyn, to get overbrides brunch.
                                         
                                        And then we got pedicons.
                                         
                                        It's an overbride.
                                         
                                        It's an overbris.
                                         
                                        price of brunch places and not a nice yeah lovely and um but like six pounds for a piece of
                                         
                                        smoked salmon you know what I mean as a side and you're like excuse me what um and then we got
                                         
    
                                        pedicures and like I got disco toes disco gold glitter glittery toes yeah oh my god that is such
                                         
                                        a wholesome it was so wholesome it was so whole not the sun comes out and everyone just goes
                                         
                                        more wholesome I went to Brighton just to have lunch with a friend like like always like
                                         
                                        whenever I go to Brighton, it's like, I've got a gig in the evening,
                                         
                                        so I'll either see, like, a friend, or I'll go, like, spend time with my sister and my dad,
                                         
                                        but it's like, there's always a reason, and it was like a Monday, I had nothing to do,
                                         
                                        and I was like, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, Alice, I'm coming for lunch.
                                         
                                        I'm coming for lunch.
                                         
    
                                        Wait, did she ask you?
                                         
                                        She, well, she had to say yes, not going to my friend.
                                         
                                        Alice Angel, I'm coming to lunch.
                                         
                                        God, this bar really suits you.
                                         
                                        It was so good.
                                         
                                        I'm wholesomless back.
                                         
                                        Did you go anywhere nice or go to her eyes?
                                         
                                        mange two
                                         
    
                                        what's that
                                         
                                        it's really nice
                                         
                                        it's just like
                                         
                                        it's close to the station
                                         
                                        and it's like a French
                                         
                                        bistro place
                                         
                                        and what did she
                                         
                                        she had an omelet
                                         
    
                                        and what did I have
                                         
                                        these crab cakes
                                         
                                        Devonshire crab
                                         
                                        cakes and some
                                         
                                        fries
                                         
                                        French fries
                                         
                                        they're fucking better have been
                                         
                                        they better have been
                                         
    
                                        they better have been
                                         
                                        and it was bloody
                                         
                                        gorgeous
                                         
                                        read my book on the train
                                         
                                        so I didn't have a gig to think about.
                                         
                                        Like, I'm going on a holiday next week
                                         
                                        and I actually can't wait to read my book.
                                         
                                        I was just saying to you outside, my screen time,
                                         
    
                                        I just got it this morning.
                                         
                                        You know the way it wakes you up on a Monday with your screen time?
                                         
                                        Yeah. Six and a half hours.
                                         
                                        I'm, that's crazy.
                                         
                                        I think that's where I'm at,
                                         
                                        mine's for like Pokemon Go and my game week.
                                         
                                        I don't talk about anymore.
                                         
                                        Mine's just from emailing. It's awful.
                                         
    
                                        Awful.
                                         
                                        Anyway, I then decided I'm going to try to do
                                         
                                        no phone and just have a nice time.
                                         
                                        And I can't wait.
                                         
                                        I can't wait.
                                         
                                        Oh, and I made a beautiful meringue at the weekend
                                         
                                        end with my edible flowers from the garden.
                                         
                                        Who are we?
                                         
    
                                        Summer girls. I will say this. I'm very jealous of your summertime bob because I feel like
                                         
                                        I've chosen to grow my hair long and I'm thrilled about it.
                                         
                                        But wow, wrong season for it. I'm so warm. And you just look like you're getting a lovely breeze
                                         
                                        on my head. What I will say about the summertime Bob, I cannot just scrape it all up.
                                         
                                        There's always hang down. Okay.
                                         
                                        So like, you know, when you can like pile it all up either though because I hate how I look
                                         
                                        with my hair on. I get the falling down. See, I look good down or up. I just got one of those
                                         
                                        faces.
                                         
    
                                        You do. God, you do.
                                         
                                        Like, I'm just one of those women.
                                         
                                        You are.
                                         
                                        Like, try and make me look bad.
                                         
                                        I couldn't.
                                         
                                        Fucking.
                                         
                                        Couldn't and I wouldn't.
                                         
                                        I wouldn't.
                                         
    
                                        I've noticed something.
                                         
                                        Go on.
                                         
                                        You know, when you're with like a friend or like family or whatever,
                                         
                                        you need like a group photo taking some takes photos.
                                         
                                        Do you want to check it?
                                         
                                        Are they okay?
                                         
                                        And I always say, I can't take a bad photo.
                                         
                                        And they always go, oh, ah!
                                         
    
                                        And it's like, that's a fine thing to say.
                                         
                                        Like, don't worry, I don't think of any bad photos.
                                         
                                        I saw the single most, like, model-esque, beautiful woman on Instagram the other day,
                                         
                                        being like, I'm a different.
                                         
                                        like I'm a dermatologist and this is my little oh no like I'm an
                                         
                                        ecstetrician she basically does like plastic surgery she changes women's faces and
                                         
                                        she's like she does like she feels people's lips and stuff like that and she's like I
                                         
                                        just want to say that you know when women come into me they're so beautiful and they're
                                         
    
                                        for treatments to change their face and I you know I'm there to help them I're to enable them
                                         
                                        I want to empower them but I also just want to say like they're there because they want
                                         
                                        to look like how they look in photos and I just want you to know that like have you
                                         
                                        ever taken a picture of a sunset and then looked at the picture and thought wow that doesn't do
                                         
                                        it justice you are the sunset oh i was like but you your job is changing their faces
                                         
                                        i love that no oh my god what have you ever taken yes it's like people film fireworks and it's
                                         
                                        like it's not the same and we are the fire oh my god we're katie perry i'm a katherine wheel
                                         
                                        you are a katherine wheel but do you ever feel like
                                         
    
                                        Like a plastic bag, drifting through the wind, wanting to start again.
                                         
                                        Like, what sort of plastic bag wants to start again?
                                         
                                        Like, it's a grim life, isn't it?
                                         
                                        As a plastic bag.
                                         
                                        Like, you're born, no one wants you.
                                         
                                        They're annoyed they're paying 5p.
                                         
                                        They feel guilty about it.
                                         
                                        Let's do this thing again.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, they don't throw you away, so you just to live in a cupboard somewhere for ages.
                                         
                                        And then when they do use you, it's for rubbish.
                                         
                                        So you're in a toilet bin.
                                         
                                        Like, yeah, it's not toilet bins.
                                         
                                        It is the worst life to live, a plastic bag.
                                         
                                        Not the worst, but it's pretty bad.
                                         
                                        I'd rather be a cup.
                                         
                                        Just good chat, isn't it?
                                         
    
                                        You want to tell you what's happening with me?
                                         
                                        Please.
                                         
                                        Everything has kicked off at Patel Bauer Towers.
                                         
                                        Really?
                                         
                                        Go on.
                                         
                                        We've got a ghost.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        No, you don't.
                                         
    
                                        One morning.
                                         
                                        No, you don't.
                                         
                                        One morning.
                                         
                                        No, Helen, hang on a second.
                                         
                                        Sorry.
                                         
                                        A ghost has appeared in the summertime at your house.
                                         
                                        Or Sonella is a compulsive liar.
                                         
                                        I'm so far going for that one.
                                         
    
                                        Go on.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        He went.
                                         
                                        We were waiting in the kitchen.
                                         
                                        He went, where did all these teaspoons come from?
                                         
                                        Because we've got six new teaspoons.
                                         
                                        Like catering style, really flimsy.
                                         
                                        You know, those like awful ones that like bend when you wash them.
                                         
    
                                        The kind do you get at a hotel that you're staying when you're a comic?
                                         
                                        Bidding.
                                         
                                        And I was like, I don't know.
                                         
                                        I thought you got them because we always like,
                                         
                                        teaspoons are the first things to run out when we'd have them washing up for a while.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And it's like, okay.
                                         
                                        I thought he got them.
                                         
    
                                        and he was like, no, I didn't get them. Did you get them?
                                         
                                        And I was like, well, no, you clearly got them because I know I didn't get them.
                                         
                                        He was like, oh, I wonder where they came from.
                                         
                                        And then he went silent.
                                         
                                        And I was like, well, you got, just say you got them got them because this is now, like, pissingly off for some reason.
                                         
                                        And I got so annoyed, so, you know, for like no reason.
                                         
                                        I was just like, just say you bought them.
                                         
                                        And he was like, no, you bought them.
                                         
    
                                        And I was like, well, you brought it up.
                                         
                                        You're the one that brought them up the conversation.
                                         
                                        So then in a fit of rage, I go, well, if you didn't buy them, then they're curse.
                                         
                                        I'm going to throw them away.
                                         
                                        And I was standing over the bin with like six teaspoons.
                                         
                                        And he was like, well, I didn't buy them because he was like waiting for me to crack.
                                         
                                        So I put them in the bin just to like make a point.
                                         
                                        I don't know what I was thinking.
                                         
    
                                        I was in a bad mood.
                                         
                                        And you said everything's kicking off and you have a ghost.
                                         
                                        You meant you kicked off and went mad.
                                         
                                        But he, I knew why didn't buy them.
                                         
                                        So I knew he bought them.
                                         
                                        And I was like, this is such a pathetic lie.
                                         
                                        Why is he doing this?
                                         
                                        And it was like, I was clearly.
                                         
    
                                        Do you guys ever leave the house?
                                         
                                        Just not often know.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        And then he was like, oh, I didn't get them.
                                         
                                        And I was like, oh, okay.
                                         
                                        Then we left at like 10 minutes.
                                         
                                        And I went back to the bin
                                         
                                        and I got them out
                                         
    
                                        and I washed them
                                         
                                        because I was like,
                                         
                                        that's really bad
                                         
                                        to just sort of like
                                         
                                        throw away teaspoons
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        and then I was like
                                         
                                        just admit that you bought them
                                         
    
                                        and I didn't
                                         
                                        and then we were like
                                         
                                        okay well Neil O'Rourke
                                         
                                        was over yesterday
                                         
                                        maybe he brought them as a prank
                                         
                                        so then I call Neil
                                         
                                        and Neil's like
                                         
                                        your fucking mental
                                         
    
                                        no I did not bring teaspoons
                                         
                                        to your flat
                                         
                                        and then me and to Neil
                                         
                                        we both swear
                                         
                                        we didn't get them
                                         
                                        and it's got to the point
                                         
                                        where I believe him
                                         
                                        because it's like
                                         
    
                                        my anger was so mad
                                         
                                        that you would just go
                                         
                                        okay you're fucking mad bitch
                                         
                                        like calm it down
                                         
                                        I bought them
                                         
                                        I can totally see him
                                         
                                        escalating
                                         
                                        We've had six teaspoons appear out of nowhere.
                                         
    
                                        And genuinely out of thin air.
                                         
                                        No, you haven't.
                                         
                                        We have.
                                         
                                        Do we get him on the phone?
                                         
                                        No, I don't care enough.
                                         
                                        I'm just saying someone's brought me to the house.
                                         
                                        No one has.
                                         
                                        No one has.
                                         
    
                                        No one has.
                                         
                                        Or like from comedy clubs.
                                         
                                        The only option is Neil O'Rock.
                                         
                                        And he thinks I did it because I stole a teaspoon five months ago.
                                         
                                        Okay, so you have form.
                                         
                                        Because I was doing ADR and they brought me a drink and I had a teaspoon.
                                         
                                        And for some reason I was like, ha ha ha, can I?
                                         
                                        keep this teaspoon they went yeah and I went sleigh and I put it in my bag thinking I put it back
                                         
    
                                        later and I didn't I took it home and he's like it's the same brand of teaspoon but I haven't
                                         
                                        gone back to that place to do ADR so it's the generic brand that probably ever has you've probably
                                         
                                        taken one from here you've probably taken one from a friggin I haven't stolen one from here
                                         
                                        he's that we've got a we've got a ghost bringing teaspoon I don't think so because we thought we
                                         
                                        had a knife appear after we got burgled because where did this knife come from and I was like I've got
                                         
                                        no idea and he was like just the robbers leave it and I was like I don't know which feels
                                         
                                        scary. So it could be the burglars back to leaving
                                         
                                        different forms of coppers. Yeah but they didn't take anything.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah but it could be like a threat. We've got a ghost.
                                         
                                        A ghost who is bringing us silver
                                         
                                        or a crow.
                                         
                                        Do you mean magpie?
                                         
                                        They don't give them back. No crows and ravens, they gather things
                                         
                                        that they like you and they bring you gifts. Oh do they?
                                         
                                        A hundee pee pee. A hundred p. You can train them.
                                         
                                        Gwyneth's trying to train one at the moment in the park.
                                         
    
                                        She wants to have a raven that brings her stuff.
                                         
                                        Shout out Gwyneth Keyworth.
                                         
                                        I feel like I passed out. Has this been happening?
                                         
                                        the whole time this is a big event in my life what do you guys think is the reason andrew
                                         
                                        i think one of you just forgotten that you've got teaspoons no but we haven't we haven't they've
                                         
                                        just you know what fuck all of you my friends thought this was very exciting we were all are coming
                                         
                                        up with theories getting at all of you of just looking at me like i'm some sort of freak
                                         
                                        are friends the ones who train ravens in the forest yes she's trying to train it she hasn't done it
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, it's on her vision board for this year.
                                         
                                        We made manifestation boards together, me and Gwyneth,
                                         
                                        after Christmas before New Year's,
                                         
                                        and one of hers was to have a raven friend.
                                         
                                        I guess I can just see how a woman who's into, like, training crows in the park
                                         
                                        might have more time for your ghost spin theory.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        And I'd say, I, a woman with, like, a job and, like, parties, like, stuff to do today.
                                         
    
                                        Gwyneth's got a job.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        She's in between jobs at that time.
                                         
                                        Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                        It's a good goal.
                                         
                                        to have to be friends with a wild bird what a lovely thing to work on isn't she an eel
                                         
                                        pervert as well she is an eel pervert as well yeah yeah but she's fine she's doing really
                                         
                                        good she's doing well i didn't say she wasn't my friends are all doing like we're just we are a successful
                                         
    
                                        group that's so cool who are just like thriving in our chosen fields we're getting see on teapids
                                         
                                        that's what we choose to do yeah that's great i saw one from adr and teaspoons are a very nickable thing
                                         
                                        You're only making the case for why you've definitely stolen them.
                                         
                                        I agree with you.
                                         
                                        Yeah, but I have not stolen these.
                                         
                                        Have you said so?
                                         
                                        I think between the two of you...
                                         
                                        Why am I getting so angry about this?
                                         
    
                                        Why does this infuriate me?
                                         
                                        I didn't buy the teaspoon.
                                         
                                        I never said you bought them.
                                         
                                        I have a single message you about that.
                                         
                                        No, but I've never said you bought them.
                                         
                                        I think the two of you will have accidentally taken them from a couple of places
                                         
                                        and now you have a couple more.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
    
                                        And the fucking myriad of male comics that you have sitting on your...
                                         
                                        or like sleeping over on your couch every now and I'll probably bring them to.
                                         
                                        We've only got Jordan Brooks tonight.
                                         
                                        Yeah, tonight.
                                         
                                        But there's always...
                                         
                                        There's always some clown in your house.
                                         
                                        I'm not too soon.
                                         
                                        Oh shit.
                                         
    
                                        I just remembered we've got Jordan coming to stay and I have just stocked up the freezer.
                                         
                                        What does that mean?
                                         
                                        Like I did an ice cream shop.
                                         
                                        But why does he need a freezer space?
                                         
                                        He's staying for one night.
                                         
                                        I did the...
                                         
                                        No, no, but he will...
                                         
                                        They might go into the freezer.
                                         
    
                                        Because, you know, people are fucking morons.
                                         
                                        Do you know about this?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        So people wait for it to be really sunny to go do that ice cream and ice lolly shop,
                                         
                                        which is the thickest thing.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Because it'll be gone.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        So you need to look at your weather app.
                                         
                                        And three days before, go and stock up on everything.
                                         
                                        So at the moment, I've got a box of bounty, ice cream bars.
                                         
                                        Big thing of vanilla ice cream, bought a tub and a teller to melt and drizzle over the top.
                                         
                                        I've got, Saneal's got his magnums.
                                         
                                        And what else did I get?
                                         
                                        Valencia orange ice alleys from Morrisons.
                                         
    
                                        But if I had all these in, I just eat them all.
                                         
                                        I know, I do.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it's a real problem.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I would binge.
                                         
                                        Yeah, no, me too.
                                         
                                        yeah it's tough yeah so your concern is that they'll have one of them while you're out
                                         
                                        no two inch minimum two inch yeah yeah they'll just assume they're alive have you not
                                         
    
                                        have you not seen men and ice cream I have to say that's not I'm something I wish it's a stereotype
                                         
                                        it's Andrew I I um we got a magnum three box because it was cheaper than me and my friend
                                         
                                        buying one each yeah so I just had two magnums in a row yeah they're out of control yeah and I've got
                                         
                                        a binge eating disorder and I think that's disgusting
                                         
                                        It's gross. It's gross. That is minging.
                                         
                                        One and a half. Come on.
                                         
                                        I once pounded two loaves of bread in an afternoon, and that for me is too far.
                                         
                                        Were you putting anything on the bread? I shouldn't be asking anything on the bread.
                                         
    
                                        Anything on the bread?
                                         
                                        Yeah, like butter. Anything, yeah, like a jar of peanut butter to go alongside it.
                                         
                                        Because if you get rid of all of it, it never happened.
                                         
                                        What kind of bread? Healthy, healthy mind.
                                         
                                        I'm asking all the wrong questions, but what kind of bread?
                                         
                                        Oh, just like cheap sliced bread.
                                         
                                        Really? Not even like a tiger life?
                                         
                                        No, you're punishing yourself at that point.
                                         
    
                                        And also a tiger life, very tricky to binge because it's got, um,
                                         
                                        A very, like, tricky crust, and you might cut your gum.
                                         
                                        You ever cut your gum on bread?
                                         
                                        You're a complex woman.
                                         
                                        I'm a very complex woman.
                                         
                                        But I'm thriving, and that's what matters.
                                         
                                        And it makes me think, wait for this segue.
                                         
                                        You ready for it?
                                         
    
                                        You braced?
                                         
                                        And it makes me think, whilst I'm thriving, a lot of our listeners, you guys aren't.
                                         
                                        That's no one.
                                         
                                        You're not thriving.
                                         
                                        Some of them are.
                                         
                                        Excuse me, Helen.
                                         
                                        Excuse me.
                                         
                                        Some of them might be.
                                         
    
                                        I wonder how we'll find out.
                                         
                                        Let's hear some updates and problems for what is supposed to be a mailbag special.
                                         
                                        How long have we spoken for?
                                         
                                        That's on me.
                                         
                                        That's on me.
                                         
                                        Let's do it.
                                         
                                        Let's do it.
                                         
                                        It felt like two hours, though.
                                         
    
                                        Don't worry about it.
                                         
                                        Hey, oh.
                                         
                                        Andrew, do we have...
                                         
                                        I'm kind.
                                         
                                        Sorry.
                                         
                                        It's just the spoon stuff really.
                                         
                                        It's something to my brain.
                                         
                                        You know where your brain like turns off?
                                         
    
                                        Do you know what I'm talking?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Hey, Andrew.
                                         
                                        God, yeah.
                                         
                                        Andrew, do you have updates to our listener problem?
                                         
                                        I have several updates, one very, very recent and one a bit in the past.
                                         
                                        Oh, how exciting.
                                         
    
                                        We'll start with the recent one, shall we?
                                         
                                        Yes, please.
                                         
                                        In fact, I think it was only a problem about two, three episodes ago.
                                         
                                        Right.
                                         
                                        Can I guess which one it was?
                                         
                                        Go on.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        Was it the one where they wanted to go on the Hindu, but the Hendu was so expensive?
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        But there was only like four of them or something left.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Oh, my last one?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Is that one?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        What is the Hindu happened?
                                         
    
                                        The Hendu has happened.
                                         
                                        Oh my God, tell us everything, tell us everything, tell us everything.
                                         
                                        Because we were saying our advice I remember was you should just say I'm coming,
                                         
                                        but I'm going to sit out of the perfume making because that's outrageously expensive.
                                         
                                        But I'll just be around the corner and then I'll rejoin you and no hard feeling.
                                         
                                        Which, by the way, me, Emma Black and Ellie Sauter are organising and going on.
                                         
                                        Amazing.
                                         
                                        Yes. Yes, that was episode 139.
                                         
    
                                        Sorry, tips that go.
                                         
                                        Thank you for advice.
                                         
                                        It was much more mature than I actually ended up doing.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        We're better than you.
                                         
                                        we're better than you
                                         
                                        we're better than you
                                         
                                        the message with this podcast
                                         
    
                                        we're better than you
                                         
                                        that is our tagline
                                         
                                        trusty hogs
                                         
                                        we're better than you
                                         
                                        I prefer
                                         
                                        Michael Otto Wiley's last week
                                         
                                        trusty hogs
                                         
                                        the last resort
                                         
    
                                        also fair
                                         
                                        also fair
                                         
                                        go on what do they actually do
                                         
                                        and they say
                                         
                                        I didn't want to put out
                                         
                                        of activities
                                         
                                        because then there would only be
                                         
                                        three guests at the Hendo
                                         
    
                                        so my friend T and I
                                         
                                        decided separately
                                         
                                        that would be happy
                                         
                                        to pay and what activities would be happy doing then one of us will put a pre-prepared
                                         
                                        message into the WhatsApp group and the other would immediately like it and add a message of
                                         
                                        support we did this with every suggestion that was made the hen do went well i make em do this in
                                         
                                        the trusty hugs group do you no i'm fucking with you guys i'm fucking with you relax oh holy
                                         
                                        shit i'm going to go through all that later just have a night on
                                         
    
                                        Count your spoons, go on.
                                         
                                        The hen do went well, and the bride had a lovely time.
                                         
                                        The perfume-making activity got dropped in the end,
                                         
                                        thanks to our campaign, which was for the best.
                                         
                                        When I told the bride what the original plan was,
                                         
                                        she said she had very sensitive skin,
                                         
                                        and most perfumes gave her a bad allergic reaction.
                                         
                                        Slay for rushes.
                                         
    
                                        Dillay.
                                         
                                        Why have I said slay?
                                         
                                        I don't approve of saying sleigh so often.
                                         
                                        Helen was meant to give us five pounds every time she said,
                                         
                                        I don't know if you remember that.
                                         
                                        Wait, you are such a weird.
                                         
                                        Weasel.
                                         
                                        Why would you say that, you little fuck?
                                         
    
                                        Like, Arthur I've been so nice about your bulge and everything, and then you're like,
                                         
                                        Helen, we're supposed to give us five.
                                         
                                        Shut the fuck up, Andrew.
                                         
                                        Shut up.
                                         
                                        I bet he's doing the fucking story, Catherine.
                                         
                                        Shut up.
                                         
                                        Shut up.
                                         
                                        What was that?
                                         
    
                                        Shut up.
                                         
                                        Shut up, Bob.
                                         
                                        Piss me all.
                                         
                                        What are you like?
                                         
                                        What's in your?
                                         
                                        Sorry, Andrew.
                                         
                                        Sorry, Andrew.
                                         
                                        Andrew.
                                         
    
                                        Andrew,
                                         
                                        Andrew,
                                         
                                        you shower your bulls
                                         
                                        to make her feel better.
                                         
                                        Ah, he did.
                                         
                                        Homana,
                                         
                                        homina, homo,
                                         
                                        homo,
                                         
    
                                        homo,
                                         
                                        homo,
                                         
                                        a,
                                         
                                        Homano,
                                         
                                        I just did a Sharon stone.
                                         
                                        Congratulations,
                                         
                                        race!
                                         
                                        He just did
                                         
    
                                        his full Sharon's tone.
                                         
                                        That was so exciting.
                                         
                                        And I saw
                                         
                                        everything.
                                         
                                        No, you didn't.
                                         
                                        Those are
                                         
                                        heavy cotton shorts,
                                         
                                        everything's fine.
                                         
    
                                        There's some big balls.
                                         
                                        Oh, my God.
                                         
                                        Come on, please.
                                         
                                        He's a child.
                                         
                                        Stop everyone.
                                         
                                        He's gay.
                                         
                                        It's up for you.
                                         
                                        So am I.
                                         
    
                                        So am I.
                                         
                                        Sometimes one day.
                                         
                                        Mm-hmm.
                                         
                                        Go on.
                                         
                                        We were a bit sneaky, but it worked out in the end.
                                         
                                        Thanks, R.
                                         
                                        I think they came up with a better solution than we did.
                                         
                                        Immaturity wins, baby.
                                         
    
                                        Immaturity wins.
                                         
                                        But it's matured to have a friend and be like, hey, let's tag team in this WhatsApp group.
                                         
                                        I'll put, because putting a message in a big WhatsApp group and not receiving support is tough.
                                         
                                        Remember the Melbourne jail?
                                         
                                        That was tough.
                                         
                                        Yeah, it was tough.
                                         
                                        Especially when I came and showed you to support and then you steal my videos.
                                         
                                        online about how you were there by yourself.
                                         
    
                                        I also did pay for Catherine's entry to that.
                                         
                                        Yeah, because I didn't want to go, and I insisted that I didn't want to go,
                                         
                                        but you kept making videos about how you were there alone.
                                         
                                        Poor Helen.
                                         
                                        And sending pictures of yourself outside alone.
                                         
                                        No one wants to go.
                                         
                                        Even when I'd already arrive.
                                         
                                        My God, I can't.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        We have another, very exciting long but worth the update.
                                         
                                        Yes, please.
                                         
                                        From T.
                                         
                                        Long but worth it.
                                         
                                        Andrew, you don't have to tell us.
                                         
                                        That's the whole podcast.
                                         
                                        Let me talk about something for 47 minutes, but there will or maybe might be a pale.
                                         
    
                                        Okay, go on.
                                         
                                        So this, I think we did this problem back when we were in the shipping container, so many moons ago.
                                         
                                        Years ago?
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        What was the problem?
                                         
                                        It was a problem about realizing that I had feelings for my best friend of six years.
                                         
                                        Okay.
                                         
                                        And this is from T.
                                         
    
                                        Hi T.
                                         
                                        Hi again.
                                         
                                        Wait, excuse me, that could be so many people who have written into us.
                                         
                                        That is true.
                                         
                                        They were, I'm pretty sure they were like six formers, like young teenage boys.
                                         
                                        One of them was, the writer was definitely gay.
                                         
                                        They didn't know whether their best friend was gay and whether they were,
                                         
                                        a vibe or something.
                                         
    
                                        What did we say?
                                         
                                        I can't possibly remember.
                                         
                                        Really good things.
                                         
                                        Really, yeah.
                                         
                                        I feel like you'll have said you have to say it
                                         
                                        and I'll have been like, just leave it alone.
                                         
                                        I think we would have also been that annoying thing that we do
                                         
                                        where we're like, you're young, it's not that big of a deal that you think it is.
                                         
    
                                        Yeah, okay.
                                         
                                        All right.
                                         
                                        Yeah, that does ring a bell actually.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Oh, it doesn't mind it just do it.
                                         
                                        First of all, thank you so much for your amazing advice.
                                         
                                        Yes!
                                         
                                        That was good here.
                                         
    
                                        I was 90% sure that I was going to tell him,
                                         
                                        but decided to take a few days.
                                         
                                        days to thinking about it so that I could be totally sure that's what I wanted. During those
                                         
                                        few days I came to the realization that this is not just a crush, I'm completely in love
                                         
                                        with him. Immediately after realizing this, I phoned my mum in a panic over the revelation
                                         
                                        whose brilliantly blunt response was, of course you're in love with him. Me and your dad have been
                                         
                                        staying so for years. Yes, mom, come through, yes. Unfortunately, the timing of this
                                         
                                        realization cannot be worse as the next night I had to go to my sister's birthday drinks,
                                         
    
                                        which I knew my best friend had been invited to
                                         
                                        I think of the university
                                         
                                        sorry rather than before
                                         
                                        I can't begin to describe
                                         
                                        how terrified I was on her birthday
                                         
                                        I arrived at the pub
                                         
                                        which I only realised later
                                         
                                        was the same pub we'd met in
                                         
    
                                        at a pub quiz six years ago
                                         
                                        right
                                         
                                        or a small village
                                         
                                        it's either a phase or a small village
                                         
                                        took one look at him
                                         
                                        and decided to back out of telling him
                                         
                                        I pretty much avoided him
                                         
                                        for the rest of the night
                                         
    
                                        and he thought that I was ill
                                         
                                        because of how nervous
                                         
                                        and like, you know, avoidant I'd been.
                                         
                                        I told my sister the idea of telling him how I felt
                                         
                                        had become far too real,
                                         
                                        and I was going to have to either bury my feelings or move abroad
                                         
                                        or jump in a while, always an option.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
    
                                        Oh, my God, he needs a really oversteppy, gossipy friend
                                         
                                        who just tells him for her.
                                         
                                        Tells him for him.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        I opted for burying it and spent the entire night
                                         
                                        third wheeling a couple I knew from uni.
                                         
                                        Obsessed with his energy.
                                         
                                        He came over when I was ordering a drink at the bar.
                                         
    
                                        and asked if we could talk outside.
                                         
                                        Unfortunately, a fight broke out at the other end of the bar.
                                         
                                        A glass was smashed and I looked down to realize that several shards of glass were in my arm.
                                         
                                        It's taken a violent turn.
                                         
                                        Wait, wait, an injury with someone to act to the protector can sometimes be hot.
                                         
                                        No?
                                         
                                        This is such a level of drama.
                                         
                                        Okay, go on.
                                         
    
                                        I'm honestly hanging on every word.
                                         
                                        So shards of glass is arm.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        My best friend took me to A&E.
                                         
                                        Yes.
                                         
                                        To get the glass removed.
                                         
                                        Your dream situation.
                                         
                                        Your dream.
                                         
    
                                        situation.
                                         
                                        Pity and sexual chemistry?
                                         
                                        Whereas I would be like, do not look at me, do not look at me,
                                         
                                        do not help me, do not help me, do not help me, do not help me.
                                         
                                        I'm like, do not help me, don't even look at me.
                                         
                                        I don't have a body, don't look at me.
                                         
                                        Obviously, when charged a glass of being removed from your arm,
                                         
                                        there is some blood involved.
                                         
    
                                        Yes, there is.
                                         
                                        I'm not a squeamish person, but the combination of stress about keeping my secret,
                                         
                                        having a drink and now being in pain meant that the first light of blood made me faint.
                                         
                                        and it's really like
                                         
                                        your fucking dream
                                         
                                        I mean
                                         
                                        for anyone who's new here
                                         
                                        I did do a stand-up show
                                         
    
                                        two years ago
                                         
                                        about how I was like
                                         
                                        wanted to be a fainter
                                         
                                        so fucking bad at school
                                         
                                        I know
                                         
                                        I thought it was the sexiest thing
                                         
                                        like just like
                                         
                                        oh no
                                         
    
                                        and then like
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        I got you
                                         
                                        just like lifting up
                                         
                                        the ground
                                         
                                        like so
                                         
                                        one day
                                         
                                        one day I'll paint
                                         
    
                                        now
                                         
                                        now a few hours later
                                         
                                        I'm told that my arm
                                         
                                        is free of glass
                                         
                                        last and I can go home. Not that I remember much of the process because I've been in and out of
                                         
                                        consciousness and on morphine. In and out. Oh. And I'm morphing. At this point it's about 3 a.m.
                                         
                                        And we both are hungry. So we got food and sat in the hospital car park. Just as I was about
                                         
                                        to suggest heading home, he turned to me and said, do you remember what you said last night?
                                         
    
                                        There was about eight seconds of dead silence whilst I realized that I told the person most
                                         
                                        precious to me in the world that I was in love with him on a gurney in A&E while some of
                                         
                                        conscious and slurring my words.
                                         
                                        I genuinely could not think of a single
                                         
                                        thing to say, so we'd have sat there
                                         
                                        in silence for about 20 seconds before
                                         
                                        he told me that he's been in love
                                         
                                        with me for years and hadn't
                                         
    
                                        said anything for fear of losing me.
                                         
                                        I'm so happy to say that we are
                                         
                                        officially together and that I've never felt
                                         
                                        more respected, secure or loved in a relationship
                                         
                                        and I want to thank you guys very much
                                         
                                        for encouraging me to bite the bullet.
                                         
                                        Thanks so much tea.
                                         
                                        It happened. I have goosebumps.
                                         
    
                                        We had a happy ending. I have gooseby.
                                         
                                        Baby gays
                                         
                                        round of applause for the baby
                                         
                                        oh my god
                                         
                                        always get involved in fights and pubs
                                         
                                        always
                                         
                                        always run into it
                                         
                                        oh my god that's so
                                         
    
                                        cute I knew it if you faint
                                         
                                        you fuck
                                         
                                        it is a media
                                         
                                        that you
                                         
                                        sorry that is the sweetest
                                         
                                        thing I've ever
                                         
                                        heard
                                         
                                        and it's all thanks to us
                                         
    
                                        We did us.
                                         
                                        It's all us.
                                         
                                        Us and morphine.
                                         
                                        We did a baby girl.
                                         
                                        We did it.
                                         
                                        Trust the Oaks and morphine.
                                         
                                        Trust the Ongs and morphine.
                                         
                                        That is the show I'd watch to be there.
                                         
    
                                        It happened.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        I'm like moved.
                                         
                                        You know, whoever you are, wherever you're listening,
                                         
                                        tell them you love them.
                                         
                                        Just go tell them right now.
                                         
                                        I love you, Catherine.
                                         
                                        Oh, what a beautiful story.
                                         
    
                                        Do you ever feel like Alan Bartwood was like,
                                         
                                        I love you?
                                         
                                        Yes, I do too.
                                         
                                        in a why.
                                         
                                        So gorgeous.
                                         
                                        Yeah, really sweet.
                                         
                                        Oh my God,
                                         
                                        actual full body goosebumps.
                                         
    
                                        That was so cute.
                                         
                                        Feel emotional.
                                         
                                        Oh my God,
                                         
                                        I'm so sad.
                                         
                                        They're going to break up soon.
                                         
                                        No,
                                         
                                        I'm joking.
                                         
                                        Oh my God,
                                         
    
                                        I want someone
                                         
                                        that I'm in turn all over saying
                                         
                                        I love you or not.
                                         
                                        And then they say that they love you.
                                         
                                        They've loved you all along.
                                         
                                        Oh, God.
                                         
                                        I love that.
                                         
                                        To like.
                                         
    
                                        To Neil.
                                         
                                        To Neil.
                                         
                                        Oh, no, yeah.
                                         
                                        Sorry.
                                         
                                        To like go through all of that angst of like I'm in love with them like will I lose a friend
                                         
                                        and then for it to work out is so special it's meant to be just like you and for me you really want
                                         
                                        this to happen don't you oh I just feel like I'm disappointed me and I spoke to Anna Grant at
                                         
                                        girls allowed and she agrees can I ask Catherine no because he's looking fire at the moment
                                         
    
                                        his beard and his sunglasses um you and Anna Grant talking was my favorite thing of all time
                                         
                                        You know, when you, like, turn around and you see, like, two really close friends who, like, worlds don't cross over, like, just having a really nice chat.
                                         
                                        And you know it's about slagging you off.
                                         
                                        Like, there's no other way to bond.
                                         
                                        We actually weren't talking about you.
                                         
                                        You just said you were talking about me into now.
                                         
                                        No, yeah, well, we did that in front of you.
                                         
                                        And also, my favorite moment with her was when she went, um, it was in front of you when she, you handed her a mint and she went, oh, no, your palm is way too sweaty for me to accept that.
                                         
    
                                        But all my friends are fucking dicks, man.
                                         
                                        I was like I get this girl
                                         
                                        I know this girl I like this girl
                                         
                                        I love Anna Grant
                                         
                                        She's the best
                                         
                                        She's the best
                                         
                                        She's so she came to girls aloud
                                         
                                        With all the comedians
                                         
    
                                        She's excellent
                                         
                                        She's a hero
                                         
                                        She's an absolute hero
                                         
                                        Andrew do you have another problem for us
                                         
                                        For this mailbag special
                                         
                                        Yes I should get a problem up
                                         
                                        I was going to ask
                                         
                                        Do you want Sineil Helen to happen
                                         
    
                                        Because you think it's
                                         
                                        The best thing
                                         
                                        Or do you just not want to meet another person
                                         
                                        Add another person to the friendship
                                         
                                        Oh yeah do you think it'd just be easy
                                         
                                        Because you know Sineal
                                         
                                        I don't know Sineal
                                         
                                        I think it would take like 50 years to know
                                         
    
                                        Samil
                                         
                                        Yeah you guys have a really specific easy relationship
                                         
                                        It's like hey hey
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        It's like what I would say is
                                         
                                        No I think you guys functionally do exist
                                         
                                        As a Platonic couple right
                                         
                                        Like you yeah
                                         
    
                                        Yeah I think in the same way
                                         
                                        That like Charlie Serena Ellen and I are a family
                                         
                                        Like we function as a family
                                         
                                        Yeah
                                         
                                        So but it's just always nice if
                                         
                                        I guess I just
                                         
                                        You see it
                                         
                                        You can see it
                                         
    
                                        I guess I see it
                                         
                                        But I also just
                                         
                                        honestly this is such a selfish reason one of less selfish reasons it's such a shallow reason
                                         
                                        i think you'd have gorgeous children oh we would but that's kind of a crap reason but name someone
                                         
                                        i wouldn't have gorgeous children with but particularly with senile i just think they'd be stunning thank
                                         
                                        you thank you and we call all of them kathwin no you wouldn't but i'd love that little kathwin's
                                         
                                        lots of katherine junior katherine jr july oh CJ i always want a t jay because i
                                         
                                        like T.J. from recess.
                                         
    
                                        That's perfect.
                                         
                                        Trustee Jr.
                                         
                                        So good.
                                         
                                        TJ, trusty junior.
                                         
                                        Trustee Jr.
                                         
                                        Trusty Jr.
                                         
                                        Do you ever think like the TV show recess
                                         
                                        had the most insane names?
                                         
    
                                        Mikey.
                                         
                                        Gretchen, Spinelli.
                                         
                                        Yes, Spinelli.
                                         
                                        That was their surname, Spinelli.
                                         
                                        Oh, was there?
                                         
                                        What was their first name?
                                         
                                        Oh, like.
                                         
                                        Helen?
                                         
    
                                        Ethel or something.
                                         
                                        Ethel.
                                         
                                        It was something very really like old,
                                         
                                        old worldian girly.
                                         
                                        Ethel is so back in.
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        Those beautiful old names.
                                         
                                        Have you ever done that algorithm on
                                         
    
                                        Instagram where it's just sort of like old baby
                                         
                                        names that are coming back into fashion. Hello?
                                         
                                        What names are coming back? I can't believe you sit around
                                         
                                        googling baby names. I don't, I have to say.
                                         
                                        I don't know how I ended up on this algorithm.
                                         
                                        But it was like beautiful baby names that are back
                                         
                                        in fashion. That's nice. And it's like
                                         
                                        there's so many pretty names. That is nice.
                                         
    
                                        And it always you just like you hear them all.
                                         
                                        There's so many beautiful names, so many beautiful names. And you just
                                         
                                        kind of have to think, oh, my parents chose Helen.
                                         
                                        Like it's good. It works for me. But like,
                                         
                                        I have all the options. That's the best.
                                         
                                        Anna Michael. That's the best you could
                                         
                                        do. Then again, look at their parents, Anna and Mike.
                                         
                                        Yeah, my grandmother's name
                                         
    
                                        was Annabella. Gorgeous.
                                         
                                        I know, and she always went by Betty.
                                         
                                        Why? Annabella.
                                         
                                        Annabella's a tough one to put. If I was in Annabella,
                                         
                                        six foot one more would be obese Annabella, you'd be like,
                                         
                                        get out. No way.
                                         
                                        She was a very slight woman. There we do. That makes sense
                                         
                                        for an Annabella. She's five foot two, I'd say.
                                         
    
                                        Five two.
                                         
                                        But my mom's the tallest of my parents and she's five two.
                                         
                                        My dad's five one.
                                         
                                        So cute. It's so cute.
                                         
                                        They're so loose.
                                         
                                        little they're so little it's so sweet do you have baby names that you like no i've never
                                         
                                        really thought about it never no no truly no truly no i've got some Ellen has some but
                                         
                                        I don't think it's nothing I've ever thought about when I was younger I was like Jade is the
                                         
    
                                        most beautiful name of the time stunning and I remember I won a bear at like a fair like a
                                         
                                        tombola bear um or like my grandmother won it but i was like the one to pick the numbers
                                         
                                        so i lived at my granny's house but i got to pick its name out of all of my that savage that she was
                                         
                                        like this will live at my house but out of all of my nine cousins i got to pick the name and i called it
                                         
                                        jade and was like oh jade just makes you think it's like it was jaded whoa it's the most beautiful
                                         
                                        name wow okay i um no i once picked the lottery numbers for my grandmother who won 100 pounds and
                                         
                                        then was like you will always choose my numbers
                                         
                                        don't think we ever want to do you have a name you wanted to be called when you
                                         
    
                                        were younger that you would like introduce people to on holiday when you
                                         
                                        bet i'd have loved a bet i really love to be loved to be a best such a beautiful name
                                         
                                        see my middle name's elizabeth so i always wanted a bet or lizzie
                                         
                                        what you haven't the name is jose do you have a problem for us andrew yeah there you
                                         
                                        go i liked annie and hallie from the parent trap
                                         
                                        hallie's the best i'd introduce myself to people as annie or hallie on holiday oh my god
                                         
                                        I was too busy going around
                                         
                                        looking at other ginger kids
                                         
    
                                        being like
                                         
                                        and then being like
                                         
                                        we don't look anything alike
                                         
                                        can we be like
                                         
                                        shaking hands then
                                         
                                        like miming with long with it
                                         
                                        and they're like what
                                         
                                        and I'm like what
                                         
    
                                        and we both like Oreos
                                         
                                        with peanut butter
                                         
                                        yeah truly
                                         
                                        also it's like an Irish playground
                                         
                                        so it was everything
                                         
                                        the kid I was like
                                         
                                        they gave her an inhaler
                                         
                                        they were like she's got asthma
                                         
    
                                        she's all right
                                         
                                        she's just shocked
                                         
                                        they did
                                         
                                        you don't give her a
                                         
                                        childhood asthma but apparently maybe I just was like ready Andrew I love it if you got
                                         
                                        diagnosed asthma just because you were pretending to be in the parent trap site I was obsessed with
                                         
                                        it and sister sister oh my god it was my dream oh the want to be a twin as a kid is so powerful
                                         
                                        it's so strong but to discover your twin but every kid I mean when I wasn't wanting to be a twin I was
                                         
    
                                        desperate to be adopted.
                                         
                                        I wanted to be adopted.
                                         
                                        Right? I was sure I was as well because I was the only red head.
                                         
                                        My brother has dark hair, blue eyes.
                                         
                                        My sister has a blonde hair, brown eyes.
                                         
                                        Green eyes red hair.
                                         
                                        I was like, what's going on here?
                                         
                                        And they look like my parents.
                                         
    
                                        And I was like, I think every kid goes through the space.
                                         
                                        I think some of us like lean in more.
                                         
                                        Yeah, some of us are like, desperate to be.
                                         
                                        There's a twin out there and I'm adopted.
                                         
                                        There's like a whole story.
                                         
                                        Well, it makes sense that the two would go together.
                                         
                                        You know, I once found something in my cousin of those kids that would go
                                         
                                        my parents' rooms
                                         
    
                                        whenever they went in
                                         
                                        I was like I am leaving
                                         
                                        no set on turn
                                         
                                        I found every Christmas present
                                         
                                        before Christmas
                                         
                                        every birthday present
                                         
                                        for my birthday
                                         
                                        I knew my mum had
                                         
    
                                        every Spice Girls Barbie doll
                                         
                                        and because I knew
                                         
                                        she never gave them to me
                                         
                                        and she still got them
                                         
                                        I think that's so fair
                                         
                                        you stuck
                                         
                                        I love that for her
                                         
                                        I'd be like
                                         
    
                                        you know what fuck you
                                         
                                        no stone left unturned
                                         
                                        in the Bauer household
                                         
                                        can I just say I'm really with Anne on that
                                         
                                        I really think
                                         
                                        I was the worst
                                         
                                        yeah and I also just think
                                         
                                        something and like if you can't let me like spend my money to treat you and surprise you
                                         
    
                                        then you're not fucking I was the worst I really respect that well I would not want to raise me
                                         
                                        um just a nosy bitch and um I um found like you know like an envelope that's like for documents
                                         
                                        like a big brown envelope and on it it had my birthday but for my 18th birthday and I was like
                                         
                                        here's the fucking proof oh here we fucking I was like I was like I was like 11
                                         
                                        right so I was like well there we go there we go I found a proof wait so they had an
                                         
                                        envelope that was closed but to give you on your sealed sealed envelope oh come on that would make
                                         
                                        my 18th birthday and I was like I fucking knew it because yes I do look like my sister now and
                                         
                                        you'd be like oh my god that herons not related yeah but I didn't then she was like
                                         
    
                                        but also sorry having freckles like dark brown hair if I think an envelope that said my birthday
                                         
                                        my 18th birthday and I was 11 I'd be like okay so wow right and also like I know a lot of kids
                                         
                                        think but it didn't feel like I fit in with the family
                                         
                                        like I wasn't like in it like I didn't enjoy
                                         
                                        the same things I was just like I was just different
                                         
                                        yeah so I was like shit okay this is it
                                         
                                        and I thought I waited probably I waited five years to bring it up
                                         
                                        because I was like oh my god it's so much it probably a week
                                         
    
                                        later I was like well I know I'm fucking adopted
                                         
                                        I know that there's proof upstairs and I can't remember the
                                         
                                        exact play out but I did open it like way before my 18th birthday
                                         
                                        but it was just like it was just like two newspapers
                                         
                                        and a magazine two newspapers
                                         
                                        from the day I was born, so 25th of March, 1991, and like a magazine from the month that I was
                                         
                                        born. And I was like, I think it might have been from like Great Auntie Lillian or like a godmother
                                         
                                        or something. You're trashed. That's such a nice thing. Like just like a get, but I don't actually
                                         
    
                                        know who is, I mean, they must have died before then, because I don't actually know who was from.
                                         
                                        But yeah, it's cute. I still got some, like, I think I still got one of the newspapers and that's
                                         
                                        quite nice. I don't think it was good news.
                                         
                                        You're the worst. It wasn't like a great day in the wild. You're the worst.
                                         
                                        but yeah
                                         
                                        wow
                                         
                                        but I was so sure
                                         
                                        yeah me too
                                         
    
                                        I was very very very sure
                                         
                                        and also just like
                                         
                                        it's so rude
                                         
                                        and disrespectful and ungrateful
                                         
                                        to just be like
                                         
                                        I know I'm not yours
                                         
                                        I just know it
                                         
                                        I don't fit in here
                                         
    
                                        and I know there's a twin
                                         
                                        that you gave up
                                         
                                        yeah I know that
                                         
                                        oh I was sure I was a twin
                                         
                                        that was taken stolen
                                         
                                        yeah you stole me
                                         
                                        yeah you stole me
                                         
                                        or switched up birth
                                         
    
                                        I was sure I switched up birth
                                         
                                        do you think
                                         
                                        that's like happening with this generation as much because we were such a like parent trap sister
                                         
                                        sister yeah with our generation 100% the moment i saw t and tamara meet in that vhs store
                                         
                                        question mark or second hand shop some sort of clothing shop anyway i was like um god that episode
                                         
                                        man they knew how to rock a hat don't you think i wish there were more hats that matched your
                                         
                                        outfits for people who aren't toddlers do you remember like their bedrooms as well was so cool
                                         
                                        like every TV show and film in the 90s.
                                         
    
                                        And the shared bathroom?
                                         
                                        Hello.
                                         
                                        The Jack and Jill bathrooms.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        And when Lisa made them their prom dresses
                                         
                                        and then they fucking bought those horrible ones
                                         
                                        and they wore them instead
                                         
                                        and then they had to come back
                                         
    
                                        and were like every went to their prom
                                         
                                        and then everyone was wearing those dresses
                                         
                                        and they went home and changed back into the ones
                                         
                                        that Lisa made to them and oh my God
                                         
                                        they looked incredible.
                                         
                                        I'm sorry.
                                         
                                        It was basically like
                                         
                                        it was my favorite television show
                                         
    
                                        I was obsessed with it.
                                         
                                        Oh my God.
                                         
                                        I think I was more like
                                         
                                        mine as a vampire slayer.
                                         
                                        Oh, interesting.
                                         
                                        I was sister sister and Sabrina the teenage wick
                                         
                                        I mean they were we didn't have Nickelodeon until I was 17
                                         
                                        so we always had to watch them at our minders and I was
                                         
    
                                        oh my god it was I just loved them you know I still don't know how they did
                                         
                                        Salem quite frankly I don't think it's any of my business
                                         
                                        I agree it's not my business I really think that's the case of mind your own
                                         
                                        but I love Sabrina so much but like how did they do Salem I don't know
                                         
                                        Like, how was that cat moving and talking?
                                         
                                        It's incredible.
                                         
                                        So in line with the dog.
                                         
                                        Because cats don't chat.
                                         
    
                                        I loved the PC game so much.
                                         
                                        Because you had to find lint.
                                         
                                        Lint.
                                         
                                        What was lint?
                                         
                                        It went in a recipe and a spell.
                                         
                                        Oh, my God.
                                         
                                        I think I had this.
                                         
                                        I loved it so much.
                                         
    
                                        Ellie Salter's younger sister, Francis Sulta,
                                         
                                        had the Sabrina the Teenage Witch magazine subscription.
                                         
                                        And you got like a sale on the cat and a box
                                         
                                        so you got to fill with trinkets that you got each month.
                                         
                                        Oh, my God, the dream.
                                         
                                        That is the coolest thing in the fucking wild.
                                         
                                        Yeah, iconic, iconic.
                                         
                                        Did you think you were a witch for a while?
                                         
    
                                        No, just a twin.
                                         
                                        Emma Black did.
                                         
                                        That's cool.
                                         
                                        Caused a massive rift in year six.
                                         
                                        What's the fallout?
                                         
                                        Massive rift.
                                         
                                        She was like, I'm a witch and I can cast spells and I can do things.
                                         
                                        And I was like, what?
                                         
    
                                        Because I was like, no.
                                         
                                        But then all the girls were like, oh my God, us too.
                                         
                                        And then she told me that the spell was a hot potato called Potato.
                                         
                                        a hot potato, a cold potato, and that's what she was doing.
                                         
                                        And all the girls were doing, they're like, we've got powers.
                                         
                                        And I was like, well, I'm not a witch.
                                         
                                        I don't have powers.
                                         
                                        And then everyone was a witch.
                                         
    
                                        And I was like, you're not witches.
                                         
                                        And it was like a big thing.
                                         
                                        I feel like this when I told you I was gay.
                                         
                                        It was.
                                         
                                        No, no, no.
                                         
                                        And now you're trying to be, yikes.
                                         
                                        Listen to the patron.
                                         
                                        You got a problem for us, Andrew?
                                         
    
                                        Our first problem, 44 minutes into this mailbag special.
                                         
                                        Once again, I like to use this opportunity to say, Emma Black, you are not a witch.
                                         
                                        I think you probably are
                                         
                                        But also gutted the six-year-old
                                         
                                        Me didn't jump on the bandwagon
                                         
                                        It would have been the way funner option
                                         
                                        It would have been the funner option
                                         
                                        It would have been the funner option
                                         
    
                                        Brimbrum beep beep
                                         
                                        Motherfuckers
                                         
                                        We're on tour
                                         
                                        And you can get tickets at trusty hogs.com forward slash tour
                                         
                                        We are going to Edinburgh
                                         
                                        That is selling fast
                                         
                                        Bristol's already sold out
                                         
                                        Brighton selling fast though
                                         
    
                                        Shocked to see the gay
                                         
                                        I've sold it out faster
                                         
                                        But thank you so much for coming
                                         
                                        Why am I so ungrateful
                                         
                                        and we're also going to Manchester
                                         
                                        we're going to Dublin
                                         
                                        oh that'll be swell
                                         
                                        and yeah I'd say get your tickets
                                         
    
                                        now if you want to come
                                         
                                        because they're moving quickly
                                         
                                        and we can't wait
                                         
                                        I love love love a live show
                                         
                                        and Helen will dance
                                         
                                        even when I ask her not to
                                         
                                        so it's going to be a good time
                                         
                                        trusty hogs dot com 4 slash tour
                                         
    
                                        Andrew any other thoughts
                                         
                                        I know that's pretty good
                                         
                                        great see you there
                                         
                                        bye
                                         
                                        Let's have a problem.
                                         
                                        This is from B.
                                         
                                        Hi, B.
                                         
                                        B says,
                                         
    
                                        Hi, Hogs.
                                         
                                        Firstly, thank you for bringing me
                                         
                                        so much joy since I discovered your podcast
                                         
                                        earlier this year.
                                         
                                        Trussie Hoggs is the first female
                                         
                                        and queer-led podcast I've listened to.
                                         
                                        Now I'm wondering what took me so long.
                                         
                                        I'm obsessed with being queer-led
                                         
    
                                        because I'm the only...
                                         
                                        I'm the leader.
                                         
                                        Well, no.
                                         
                                        out of like the group of us that are calling involves three of you are queer yeah but that's not
                                         
                                        what baby means be mean i guess be means bow down bitches we all know katherine who's charge like 100
                                         
                                        but b welcome to the sty welcome to the sty how exciting i love hearing that we're getting new
                                         
                                        listeners now isn't it i feel so excited by it because i feel like we are hitting our stride we also
                                         
                                        always forget the people are just joining because every episode we're just like
                                         
    
                                        oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but still welcome go on anyone knew i am helen i'm katherine hii we're both
                                         
                                        stand-up comedians i'm gay and i'm the leader and we live in london england i'm queer
                                         
                                        um katherine's queer i'm i don't know on a journey i guess oh my god hell on earth
                                         
                                        oh my god do your journey in a different month this pride i'm not having this go on now i like
                                         
                                        you're introducing yourself 45 minutes into this episode
                                         
                                        46 minutes in a hangar old way and your boyfriend
                                         
                                        have you had the experience yet of people referencing stuff
                                         
                                        because they're going through the back catalogue
                                         
    
                                        and he's like what the fuck are you talking about and it's like oh that's the thing
                                         
                                        we've said yeah yeah happens every time and also um
                                         
                                        being like people sending messages about something that it's like
                                         
                                        oh that's two years ago yeah or like checking in about an interest that I know I was
                                         
                                        obsessive about
                                         
                                        but I do still
                                         
                                        get hello fresh
                                         
                                        in case anyone's
                                         
    
                                        wondering
                                         
                                        big fan
                                         
                                        I am yeah
                                         
                                        I still get messages
                                         
                                        and again
                                         
                                        be like
                                         
                                        can we have a
                                         
                                        pancake update
                                         
    
                                        and I'm like
                                         
                                        that hamster
                                         
                                        is really buried
                                         
                                        oh my god
                                         
                                        she doesn't even live
                                         
                                        in the house
                                         
                                        it was buried
                                         
                                        in any more
                                         
    
                                        garden
                                         
                                        question mark
                                         
                                        okay ready
                                         
                                        the B says
                                         
                                        Helen I am
                                         
                                        511
                                         
                                        size 22 female
                                         
                                        and have size
                                         
    
                                        11 feet
                                         
                                        so I relate
                                         
                                        a lot to
                                         
                                        your tool plus size girl stories and katherine your advice is always so thoughtful and well
                                         
                                        crafted and i'm wondering if the two of you can help me we can we can't size 11 nothing will
                                         
                                        stop us even if we can't we'll definitely try find me on instagram tell me where you're shopping for your
                                         
                                        shoes size 11 i'm assuming wide fit i'd hope so that's a long thin board to balance on that's a long
                                         
                                        thin board to balance on without a bit of give on either side i actually hope she's got more support yeah
                                         
    
                                        I hope you're a wide fit.
                                         
                                        Sorry, carry on.
                                         
                                        B says,
                                         
                                        My best friend of 20 years
                                         
                                        has become a bit of a hoarder.
                                         
                                        I never noticed this about her
                                         
                                        until she got her own house a few years ago.
                                         
                                        At first, I talked it up to her being a busy single mum,
                                         
    
                                        but as the children have grown,
                                         
                                        the pilees have only increased.
                                         
                                        I love her unconditionally,
                                         
                                        but I don't think I'm doing her any favours
                                         
                                        by reassuring her that it's okay
                                         
                                        every time she apologises for the mess in her house.
                                         
                                        I'm also a single mum,
                                         
                                        but I have more help for child get than she does,
                                         
    
                                        and I want to help her, but I don't know how.
                                         
                                        She suffers with anxiety,
                                         
                                        and when I've tried to help her in the past,
                                         
                                        by doing dishes and laundry, etc,
                                         
                                        I can see how uncomfortable and anxious this makes her?
                                         
                                        Yeah.
                                         
                                        How can I tell her that I want the best for her and her family,
                                         
                                        and I'm worried her home is getting out of hand?
                                         
    
                                        I've always wanted to be a source of positivity for her,
                                         
                                        and I don't want her to feel upset or criticized.
                                         
                                        Best wishes, sorry.
                                         
                                        What did you say best bitches?
                                         
                                        Because I prefer that as a thought.
                                         
                                        Sign off, best bitches.
                                         
                                        Best bitches, B.
                                         
                                        I actually know a bit about hoarding.
                                         
    
                                        Do you?
                                         
                                        I do.
                                         
                                        It's a genuine, it's a mental health disorder.
                                         
                                        It's a form of OCD.
                                         
                                        It's, yeah, it's a, it can be,
                                         
                                        there's like so many different levels to it
                                         
                                        as far as, like, someone who needs to control their environment
                                         
                                        and someone who can take it to the point
                                         
    
                                        where they're living in a home that is unhabitable
                                         
                                        and, like, a hazard,
                                         
                                        as far as someone who just feels the need to give every item to love
                                         
                                        and find the right home for it so they're holding onto it until that time comes
                                         
                                        if they've just got a lot of stuff it's not worth the back it's a coping mechanism right
                                         
                                        and if it's not hindering the way you live to a huge point they can live with it no
                                         
                                        I think okay my understanding no no no no I'll just say it's a
                                         
                                        form of OCD and I I would say that I've often found with OCD that people jump to help you with
                                         
    
                                        the symptom not the cause and I think that saying your house is out of order is a bit like and like
                                         
                                        I'd like to help you with that or like it's a bit like showing up the only because I people find
                                         
                                        tend to find like eating disorders for example more understandable maybe because it's like
                                         
                                        I don't know why but like it would be like showing up if your friend lost too much weight
                                         
                                        as you judge it or whatever showing up with a lasagna it's kind of like showing up to help with
                                         
                                        clearing boxes for hoarding it's like that doesn't really help the problem just say let's do
                                         
                                        the car boot sale this weekend so there's such a stressful for me the question is not can I
                                         
                                        help I want to help you like your house like and it will only be received
                                         
    
                                        just criticism.
                                         
                                        I think a really good starting point is,
                                         
                                        hello, are you, how are you?
                                         
                                        I think like the most useful thing you can be
                                         
                                        is a person to send things off
                                         
                                        because there's a stress underneath it.
                                         
                                        There's a cause and the cause is causing worry
                                         
                                        and the coping mechanism is the reaction to the worry.
                                         
    
                                        But I just don't think that going in to solve
                                         
                                        is the way you can't do it for a...
                                         
                                        And honestly, my experience with hoarding is
                                         
                                        if you remove all the stuff,
                                         
                                        there'll be new stuff if the issue isn't resolved.
                                         
                                        So it's like finding time.
                                         
                                        Like is it, does she need you to watch her kids when she goes to therapy?
                                         
                                        Does she need to talk about it?
                                         
    
                                        Does she need to confront it?
                                         
                                        Yeah, definitely don't clear it out.
                                         
                                        You're not there.
                                         
                                        No.
                                         
                                        Break of trust.
                                         
                                        And also like, it literally has to be her.
                                         
                                        Like, it doesn't help.
                                         
                                        She needs someone to talk to.
                                         
    
                                        Um, and I'm not sure that.
                                         
                                        Typing in hoarder's help.
                                         
                                        I also just feel like it's, it will, unfortunately, it's going to be very difficult.
                                         
                                        Like you'll, she'll always feel just.
                                         
                                        judged and observed and it's like quite vulnerable to even let someone in your house especially when
                                         
                                        you are a hoarder and you don't want to make it in a situation which doesn't want to let people
                                         
                                        in her house because she feels judged or observed or perceived and so I would just say for me I would
                                         
                                        be it would be more a case of like how are you what's going on with you how are you finding
                                         
    
                                        everything is there anything like like I would start there I don't I also just think like
                                         
                                        You don't deal with a symptom first, in my opinion.
                                         
                                        Like those shows where you watch people go in and just pull everything out of the hoarder's houses are so traumatic and obsessing.
                                         
                                        It's awful.
                                         
                                        The way I got addicted to watching them because I watched the worst shows, but that extreme hoarders and like it'd be like family members being like, they can't live like this anymore.
                                         
                                        So they'd have people shop at their houses with like three massive skips outside.
                                         
                                        They're like, let's empty this out.
                                         
                                        It's like you are, you can see this person in so much anguish and stress.
                                         
    
                                        It's awful.
                                         
                                        it's horrific and also it's not medically advisable and it's also not fair and it's also not
                                         
                                        solving the problem and there will just be more stuff um and also like what other people are
                                         
                                        prepared to live with and where you're like where their line is in terms of comfortability and where
                                         
                                        yours is are allowed to be different like some people's stuff soothes them other people's tidiness
                                         
                                        soothes them okay i don't know that it affects you in a way that's like if it affects
                                         
                                        her and she's saying it affects her
                                         
                                        then I think you should talk to her about it but
                                         
    
                                        if it doesn't affect her then like you introducing
                                         
                                        a sense of judgment where you don't
                                         
                                        have any I know you love her unconditionally
                                         
                                        I think it's maybe not the best thing
                                         
                                        so
                                         
                                        I'm just skimming this
                                         
                                        but they look like an interesting article on
                                         
                                        mind which
                                         
    
                                        if anyone in the UK you'll know mine it's like a health
                                         
                                        like a mental health care support
                                         
                                        thing um which has
                                         
                                        like just some
                                         
                                        helping someone who hoards is what it's
                                         
                                        do not consider force clear up so offering general support there's more information but the
                                         
                                        main headlines are use respectful language like don't refer to it as junk or rubbish yeah
                                         
                                        understand that they have a connection to the objects and that's why they want to keep them
                                         
    
                                        and there will be less likely to open up if you talk about their things in like a negative
                                         
                                        way don't focus on a total cleanup and it's got some links to different oCD foundation
                                         
                                        websites listen to what they want ask the person close to you what
                                         
                                        they think will be helpful.
                                         
                                        This will give them more control over the situation and show you care what they want.
                                         
                                        For example, they might want you to sit with them while they clean up or for you to help
                                         
                                        them take them to the charity shops, which is a nice offer.
                                         
                                        I think that's a really common part of hoarding is that it comes from a place of like,
                                         
    
                                        yeah, the things have to go to a place.
                                         
                                        There's a home for everything and it's like holding on to it until that home is found.
                                         
                                        so like
                                         
                                        knowing where those homes are
                                         
                                        might be a good thing to just know
                                         
                                        just in case it ever comes up
                                         
                                        for me the most important part of that
                                         
                                        is listen to what they would find helpful though
                                         
    
                                        like I know that's not necessarily
                                         
                                        what you want to do
                                         
                                        but that's just like
                                         
                                        let them know you're there
                                         
                                        and yeah
                                         
                                        I respect the decision
                                         
                                        yeah
                                         
                                        that's my feeling
                                         
    
                                        I just think it's so hard
                                         
                                        but I think we
                                         
                                        I am not qualified
                                         
                                        and I don't wish to
                                         
                                        and our friends don't need us necessarily
                                         
                                        to therapy them
                                         
                                        like we're not here to sit in judgment
                                         
                                        of our friends
                                         
    
                                        if they ask for advice
                                         
                                        I just realized that I think I'm the worst friend
                                         
                                        why
                                         
                                        the nails got us
                                         
                                        what's it called
                                         
                                        like a storage unit
                                         
                                        now down the road from us
                                         
                                        because I was like
                                         
    
                                        these piles are mad
                                         
                                        But I don't think he's a
                                         
                                        It's not a hoarder
                                         
                                        It's just an untie
                                         
                                        Maybe, I don't know
                                         
                                        No, it's no
                                         
                                        It's just, it's pylies of crap
                                         
                                        It's different when you're cohabiting
                                         
    
                                        One minute ago
                                         
                                        Don't refer to it as junk or crap
                                         
                                        But hang on
                                         
                                        I would be giving very different advice here
                                         
                                        If I was living
                                         
                                        If they were living with a person
                                         
                                        But they're not
                                         
                                        I think you have reasonable
                                         
    
                                        You're gonna ask reasonable
                                         
                                        Certain things of someone
                                         
                                        When you're cohabiting with them
                                         
                                        When you're sharing a space
                                         
                                        But they're not sharing a space
                                         
                                        And I just think like sitting in judgment of your friends
                                         
                                        And he loves his storage unit
                                         
                                        Every time we have a fight now
                                         
    
                                        Is that I'm gonna go sit at my storage unit
                                         
                                        For a couple of hours and coming down
                                         
                                        And I'm like fine, go
                                         
                                        But also sitting in judgment of your friend is so easy
                                         
                                        But often I'm doing it
                                         
                                        Like when I'm being most judgmental of my like self
                                         
                                        Or like me just want to like not look at my own life
                                         
                                        I just think like if they ask for advice
                                         
    
                                        You should give it or you should ask if they want advice
                                         
                                        Like that's something I try to do
                                         
                                        Is like do you want impulse but I don't like
                                         
                                        I don't know I'm probably
                                         
                                        don't let them get a cat.
                                         
                                        What?
                                         
                                        Isn't it like?
                                         
                                        I think the word let them.
                                         
    
                                        They're an adult.
                                         
                                        Oh yeah.
                                         
                                        Advise against a cat?
                                         
                                        Advise against a cat?
                                         
                                        Why?
                                         
                                        Because a lot of those, like, it's a real, like,
                                         
                                        thing that the RIS, PCA get involved or something.
                                         
                                        I swear I've heard something like that.
                                         
    
                                        We don't know the level of extremes, I guess, in the situation.
                                         
                                        And I think probably what we're saying is check in with your friend,
                                         
                                        see if she's okay, see if she needs help,
                                         
                                        see if there's a way that you can support her.
                                         
                                        think maybe if you're going to point out at all
                                         
                                        point out in a way where you're like I've noticed
                                         
                                        but not in judgment
                                         
                                        my grandfather was a hoarder
                                         
    
                                        and they just need a friend
                                         
                                        in a meaning way they need you to be their friend and they
                                         
                                        need you to help you if they need therapy
                                         
                                        you should help them find a therapist
                                         
                                        yes you are not a therapist
                                         
                                        and you can't be even if you're trained professional
                                         
                                        you can't be for your friend yeah
                                         
                                        I would imagine
                                         
    
                                        my my dad's dad was a horder
                                         
                                        and I don't think my dad's a hoarder
                                         
                                        but he definitely does it with food as far as
                                         
                                        like in his brain food doesn't go off
                                         
                                        like it's always edible
                                         
                                        and I told you this already
                                         
                                        my sister rung me
                                         
                                        my dad ate cream three weeks out of date
                                         
    
                                        and it's like you've got to let go of it myself
                                         
                                        it's not worth it he had it
                                         
                                        but like that's a risk isn't it particularly when you're in your 70s
                                         
                                        that's sort of it like that's just dads though
                                         
                                        dads eat everything they're just like
                                         
                                        nothing goes to waste
                                         
                                        yeah what's wrong with them
                                         
                                        you've got to let go of
                                         
    
                                        things sometimes you must do
                                         
                                        can I leave you with a funny image
                                         
                                        but wait do you guys have any additional thoughts on that
                                         
                                        have we said I don't I'm not an expert
                                         
                                        yeah it's a tricky one
                                         
                                        because like yeah
                                         
                                        there's got to be more than just the mind
                                         
                                        website yeah
                                         
    
                                        funny image Andrew
                                         
                                        oh so Neil Patel
                                         
                                        sat in darkness in his storage unit
                                         
                                        listening to Mika out of his phone
                                         
                                        his storage room full of DVDs
                                         
                                        Mika Live
                                         
                                        Mika Live
                                         
                                        Mika Live
                                         
    
                                        He got an absolute DVD slap down
                                         
                                        Anna Grant was over
                                         
                                        And she was like
                                         
                                        It's a really poor DVD collection
                                         
                                        Because Anna Grant's got a DVD room
                                         
                                        Stop it
                                         
                                        No joke
                                         
                                        No joke
                                         
    
                                        And Sneel was like
                                         
                                        Yeah it's small but it's really well curated
                                         
                                        I thought I liked her
                                         
                                        What a shake
                                         
                                        You do love her
                                         
                                        You love my friends
                                         
                                        Goodbye
                                         
                                        Goodbye
                                         
    
                                        I'm going to be able to be.
                                         
                                        Thank you.
                                         
