Trusty Hogs - Ep16. JACK BARRY / Drugs, Disney & Derek Jokes with Jack Barry

Episode Date: January 20, 2022

The brilliant Jack Barry joins us for a chat about comedy tour support, motivation, and shrooms. Plus, Helen finally gives Andrew & Catherine their Christmas gifts... N/B: This is a comedy podcast with no medical, legal, or financial expertise. All chat is based on personal experience and should not constitute professional advice!Thank you so much for listening! Support us at https://www.patreon.com/TrustyHogs for exclusive bonus content, merch, and more! Trust us with your own problems and questions... [e-mail] Please give us a follow @TrustyHogs on all socials Be sure to subscribe and rate us (unless you don’t like these little piggies - 5 Stars only!)Thank you to our Patreon supporters...EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Simon Moores / Guy Goodman / Janinna Bautista / Mary FoxPRODUCERS: Richard Bicknell / SBDubz / Elle / Richard Bald / Neil Redmond / Victoria Hutchison / Emma Walton / Karen Bull / Harald van Dijk / Kierah Leach / Tim & Dom / David Walker / Rachel R / Lee Myerscough / Anthony Conway / Sadie Cashmore / Claire Owen-Jones / Kim Dubhghaill / Jess & Nick / Zoë / Jo Holmes / Caitlyn Lyth / Aideen McQueen / Sarah & Molly / Carrig Duke / Melissa Dunkeld Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello. Welcome to the middle of January slash Christmas gift swap. Okay. First of all, welcome back to Trusty Hogs. Hey, Hogs. Thank you for being. Oh, God. Thank you for being here.

Oh, that was a flemmy one. Thank you. Did you feel that? Thank you. It rumbled the floor. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

Episode 16, delighted to have Helen back. We are doing a January Christmas gift swap because the first initial time we were supposed to do it Helen had COVID. Poor Helen. So glad she's back though. We actually missed you. I missed you guys. I mean, we were on the phone, so it was fine.

I know, but still. And then the next time Helen forgot her gifts. Because of COVID brain fog. Oh, please. Poor Helen. Poor Helen. Oh, poor Helen. Through the fog.

Step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah. You're going to give me your problems and they will solve that. Or maybe they'll won't And that's your problem They'll have guests And Andrew White on the tech Oh, it's Helen and Catherine

As the trusty hogs Trust the trusty hogs Or maybe not So, Helen Bauer, do you want your Christmas I just want to give them to you I want to receive Okay, here you go You said that those were such a contradictory thing

I just want to give them to you I want my want to receive. So if anyone doesn't remember, Andrew gave me my Christmas gift at the beginning of December because it was an amazing Tony's chuck-a-l-l-only Advent calendar.

Which you complained about I complained once because they were doing this thing about like life's unfair, slavery, so they gave me no chocolate in one and I had an absolute freak out online but turns out the next day they gave you two.

It was a life lesson. But I've already shaken out one from the one and blow it. So then I was just like, because I was like, this is bullshit. It's a manufacturing problem, despite the fact. Happy holidays, Helen, love see. Kiss.

Oh my God, this is Merry Christmas to you. Merry Christmas to me. Yeah, in January. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Are they slippies? I love slippies. But can I just tell you that you recently Instagrammed about much better slippies?

I was so sad. Oh, are you kidding. I love. My other slippers I have are dogs, like massive dogs with glittery collars on them. I was so sad. These are more like classy Kimi, sliders stop. They're the largest size

they come in so I hope they beat your big feet. I'm always nervous. I'm always nervous. They're the biggest size and I'm like, you do not understand the size of my feet. There is no way I'm getting into this. Oh, really? There is no way. Oh no, I'm so sad.

I mean, I'm gonna try. I'm so sad. They're on the wrong way. You need to switch them over. Okay. Oh, Helen, I re-took a punt and I just realized that was so stupid. It's like a Cinderella moment.

That's a most. I mean, all of a bonus, medium slash large. That is so mad That was stunning, you guys You should think there was a collective intake of breath here While it fit like the glass slipper Oh my God Oh my god

Hold them up to the camera You're stunning, you're everything You're Miss United States What? Stop it They fit you I'm so happy I've been so anxious about them fitting

Am I your Prince Charming? Oh my God they're so comfy It's shit Kevin thank you so much You're welcome I love them You're welcome I just because I really

I like bet all on one gift so I was like oh god if they don't fit I realized when you put on the dog ones I was like they look massive I okay but because they have like a head on top of it and a tail I was like oh my god

one she already has slippies and two mine aren't going to be big enough Catherine stop it I cannot believe they fit I've got a cute little bow and slippies it's going to be it's amazing slippies and Andrews just got up to like move a camera angle

but I also feel like he's doing it subtly, but was coming towards his gifts, yeah. I'm just going to quickly tie little ribbon on Helen. That's actually gorgeous. That actually really suits you. The bow, Helen is now putting her Christmas gift bow into her hair and it looks adorable.

Oh my God, you look like Sandy. I love, I love. Yeah, the one that I want. Doesn't she look so cute? Who wants to go first? Andrew or Catherine. He's obviously gagging for her. I love that I didn't actually pick them up whilst I stood up.

Yeah, you did. I want to deliver them to you or do you want to come on camera for this? No, please you'll deliver them. I've got a camera here. There are, you have two that are the same. Yeah. So we'll open them at the same time.

That one is the same as this one. Okay. Also, do you know what's weird, Helen? I also wore the bow that Catherine gave me. His was a head, his was a head floral piece from a, yeah. I look, I go extra on the wrapping. Your wrapping's lovely.

Your little packages, yeah. Okay. These are now unfortunately too late. late? Oh no. What? Oh my God, amazing. But next year. This is it, it's a pig that's flying. It's a flying pig Christmas decoration. Honestly, Helen, this makes up, this makes up for the fridge magnet. Really? It's that good. It's so good. It was the classier pig, like, a thing I could find, pig decoration. I was like, this is dignity. It's porcelain.

But also, Gisela Graham, I had her decorations before. These are nice. Yeah. Oh, look at Andrew with this little piggy. I actually love... And it's not too tacky for the pair of you. Oh, no, it's just on the edge. It's perfect. I love, love, love, love it.

Oh, it's good. I'm so happy. Thank you, Helen. I feel bad. I just got you slippers. You got me three gifts. Well, yeah, with the same, like, amount. Probably all together.

I don't think so. Helen's a really good gift giver. Like a really, really good gift. Catherine, this one I took a risk on. Rachel's... Okay. Oh, you did really good. No, no, I did not.

You did. Helen. The green because of Ireland. Their little tiny gold hoop. They're stunning. Look at them. They look like two little engagement rings. They're so pretty.

With little green highlights. Can you help me get them out? Helen, you bought me something like this. Yeah, do you like them? I really, really like them. I cannot believe it. Nobody want me jewelry. I love.

Oh, my God. Look, they go with all my other piercings. Do you love them? I love, love, love, love them. Oh my god, I'm showing them to the cat. Oh, you can't see them. You need another gift now that you got me. Oh, you can't see them.

I can not be a YouTuber. Bring it here and I can show them on this camera. Oh, yeah, that's good idea. Okay, I'm not going to put them on right now because apparently I can't do that without me. Also, I can open my gift whilst I'm here. Yes. Helen, I love them.

Like, I actually love them. It's really nice. They're very understained. I love them. I love them. There's a little thing. I love them. For one of her TV appearances.

I'm actually going to wear them. I can't believe you like them, I'm so relieved. I love them. I love them. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. What is it? Yes!

Yes. It's a hat. I felt like Lucky Ghost the number three. It's over. You're never going to get back a flat cap, so I have gifted Andrew a new flat cap. That's amazing. For context, for people that don't know,

a boy I briefly dated for three dates. stole my flat cap as part of his Halloween costume. Well, it looks good on you. Thank you. It really suits you, Andrew. That's hot, babe. Thank you. You were very skeptical, originally,

of me owning a flat cap. I'm surprised. Turns out you're a daddy. Who knew? Actually, I don't mind that. This is... It is what I'm not the one. It is what you wanted it to be.

Oh, my God, I guess based on the shape of the bottle and Helen was like, oh, poor Catherine, I... These are... Okay, hang on. First of all, you're so good at gift-giving, and I just need to, like, shower you with free coffee until I make up for my latemite. Also, I'm sorry, what

so, okay, because I'm not fancy enough for, to ever have owned these, you like them on the bottom. I always wondered, okay, sorry, they're a jar. They're a jar of fancy matchstick. Because Catherine likes candles. I do. But I always wondered how the fancy ladies lit the jar matches,

and the answer is there's a little thing at the bottom. And I can tell you this as a friend of Catherine's, and I will not be upset. She is going to soak that label off. But, No, I know No, because now I know I need it, I won't No, but this label

Oh, ultimately, yes, I will repurpose this Of course I will What about what I'm, I'll make something delicious I'll give it to you Yay! I love this, you're so good Thank you so much Andrew, you're last gift

It is a poetry book Is it the poems of the man I referenced one? Yes, the Desiderata poems But it's the other poems by Max Airman. So what happened was I was trying to offer some words of wisdom

and like happiness and health and wealth and well-being and Catherine was shitting all over my poems. It was bullshit Andrew I felt so bad for you. Yeah,

the poem was bullshit. No, it wasn't. It was gorgeous. It was a lovely poem, very well read by Helen. Thank you. And she's got me a book of his poetry.

Oh, you're really good at that. Really, really good gift of us. Thank you so much. I feel like the listeners are going to be like and all Catherine got her with some fucking slippers.

That's so good the slippers. No, but I feel like I understand where they're coming from and you're right, I do oh hell and a drink. Merry Christmas. Happy end of January, Christmas. Happy end of January.

Oh, my goodness. You're so welcome, guys. I'm so bad at receiving gifts. I'm just like overly sincere, but they're really nice. Thank you so much. I can't believe it. Because also what's great

is that you would tell me. Oh, yeah. Like I would say as well, we hoped they'd be bad. Like when I brought you a present from holiday and you both. I mean, ultimately, whilst I do appreciate the gifts, the last statement of minutes of politics,

broadcasting as being poor quality. It's just been us being nice to you and you being nice to us. Oh my God, now tell you what, like, tell me like my favorite things that you like about me. Like, what's the best things about me? No, we're not going to do that. No, let's just keep it going.

I would say I'm immensely relieved because I've been worrying about the size of your hooves for some time. We all, for anyone wanting for curiosity or for a foot fetish, I'm a lady's size 9 wide fit, but an Oliver bonus medium slash lodge. Yes, you are.

Which is mental. Oh my God, and they're so cute. They actually are really cute. and I thought they would go with all of your jumpers. They are fucking amazing. I'm very happy. You know the foot fetish thing? I got a message on Instagram.

I'm an account called like foot fet 20 or something like that. I know foot fet 20. No, you don't. No, I don't. I fully believe that then. I was like, of course I don't know his foot fetish 20. He messaged me. He was like, what size you were you?

And I was like, oh, nine, maybe 10 in a wellie. Oh, you answered. 10 and a well? I feel like you told us this already. Maybe you didn't. Well, and he kept asking questions about my feet. like, well, they had a wide soul. I'm like, okay, so I replied as a joke.

I don't really want to answer any more questions. He was like, I just want to talk to a comedian about their feet. And I was like, oh, do you know my comedy? And he was like, no, I just searched hashtag stand-up comedy and you came up. What an insult. Oh, my God. So any foot will do. Any foot will do, yeah.

Wow. Souless, soul chat. For pictures of our feet, follow us on Patreon. Patreon. Patreon. Yeah. And donate a shitload of money and maybe we'll think about it. I'll send us you for a fiver.

I think I'm already on wiki feet. I didn't put myself there, obviously. It's grim. She's made it. Yeah. Andrew, look it up. I'm going to look it up. Because I found your rating on Wiki feet.

Go on? Oh, wait. So, Catherine. What's my rating on wiki feet, Andrew? 4.2 brackets, nice feet. What? 4.2. All five.

Sorry, it's got a breakdown of all of the votes. Do you want to hear this? Yes. So nine people said you have beautiful feet. What? How do they even know? When have they seen my feet? You've had 90.

The pitch, of course, the whole point of the wiki feet is that they've attached pictures of your feet. Where did they find pictures of my feet? Oh, it's just like public photos on Instagram and stuff. It's not like creepy. Oh, so like they get a full body shot on and zoom in and the hooves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I'm like, I haven't put my troders on there. Um, it's, it's just one of you in like, kind of heels, but like exposed heels.

Red heel, toe shoes. Peep toe shoes, that's it. You fucking slut. Oh, my God. Why have they done that? Well, nine people thought you had beautiful feet. Three people had said you had nice feet. Four people said you had okay feet.

She's all right. She's all right. One person said you have bad feet and two people said you had ugly feet. Two? Ugly feet. But I averaged out to a 4.1, 4.2 rating. That's not bad. The thing is, I actually think I'm scoring higher than I thought I would because I have bunions.

So I'm surprised. But bunions could be beautiful for some of the foot people. You know what I mean? I don't think so. They run in my family. They're pretty hideous. Bunions are like the growth. I can edit it. What's your shoe sizes? I can update the listing.

No, these people don't deserve the facts. Yeah, update it. No, what? She's a six. I'm a five. The point, I'm a 5.5, actually. I'm a 5.5 slim fit. The point is. Andrew, several questions. I always have a pedicure. What are the ugly people saying? Ugly seems hard. I always have a pedicure. Always.

The only options are to star rate it. You can't. Look, I'll give you five stars to boost your. But there's no comments. Andrew, don't rate her on Wiki fee. It's just weird, man. Leave a bee. It's fine. I have to create an account

to do it anyway and I'm not going to do that. I have questions. Was there any comments? No, they've got people who like Catherine Vohat's feet also liked. Who else do they like?

Kaylee Cuoco. Oh, I love Katie Cuoco. Nice, love to be in that company. Holly Willoughby. Amazing. Maisie Williams. What fantastic company Fottweis is being.

That's not bad. There is a comment. Sorry, there is a comment. And five stars. I can only find one picture of her feet to start her page. Such a shame because they look fantastic. Oh my God. What is wrong with people?

That's the picture, by the way. Oh, my God. It's the one of the one of my chair. What is wrong with people though? I didn't consent to that. Imagine if there was like a tittypedia and you were on there. Tittipedia. Do you know what I mean?

I'd be up there. You would but also imagine there were just like close-ups of your tits that you didn't ask anybody to use wouldn't have to be full Yeah, I'm kind of fine with it I don't know I'm not really blinking I'm like yeah

If there was Tidipedia there'd just be like a full photo of your actual left breast because you get it out and put it on the internet That's crazy where people have a lot of time on their hands I think I understand okay feet

Ugly feet seems really mean given that I always have a pedicure You do you're very good at taking care of your hooves and your hands Yeah, and I do that because I run so much that if I don't... Oh, I need to moisturise. Remember my resolution.

Ding, ding, ding. Ding! We cannot have another on-air menstruizing session. Fine, Andrew. We'll just do it together and you don't have to record it. I'm the good news is I've lost it.

Resolution's going very well. This episode of the podcast has been dog shit. Let's. We apologize at home if you are a foot fetishist. Stop being. non-consensually so

and I don't know keep it up it's kind of funny God this is so grim Hey Helen how's your week being It's been good thank you for asking me I want to tell you what I've been doing Tell me Okay I've decided that I want to become an observational comedian

I want to make more observations in the world Not necessarily about myself but observations But thing is you can only observe what you already observe right Okay yeah I could become an observational comedian but I'm not suddenly going to go to like an art gallery every week and observe art So I observe, like, the shit TV and films I watch. Yeah.

And I have figured out, you know how everyone's like, I really hope this is a good observation? And if the listener doesn't think so, then I'm going to go fucking livid. Can I ask before you do the observation? Yeah. Why the, like, stylistic change? Because I just think it'll be fun to try out something new.

Sure. I mean, absolutely challenge. Move your art on by all means. You know, it's like when you get, like, a sweat band at school, and you're like, I guess I'm a grebo. Like. I don't know what that means. Okay, but just say yes.

Okay. Yes. These observations are so far very universal. Or like shag bands. Do you have shag bands in Ireland? Like you'd get a band for every guy you fucked but you were like 12 and you never fucked anything? No.

Apart from that climate crime based on Park. Am I right guy? So is the stick as like it's bad of special comedy? Yeah. No, it's not bad. Okay, go on. I like this is the worst thing. I actually wrote it down because I was like,

this is great. Okay, let's have it. Let's have it. You know how, like, there's an old trope, which is like, oh, like, it's really unattainable, like, women in films because their lives are, like, so, like, they live in these amazing houses, but, like, everything's so difficult, then they meet the man of their dreams and it all works out. And it's like, this is fucking bullshit. Right. I have figured out that there are so many problems with it. And I think it starts with the most unattainable thing, which is something that I've never seen anyone do in real life, which is when women go to the toilet in films, which is so often. And they always do a shot of them from outside the stool. And you can just see their feet under the stool and they pull their knickers down all the way. How mad is that?

Hello? And they have their knickers around their ankles. When you go to the toilet, how far down do you pull your pants? Yeah, not that far actually. So we're in films. Think about it. I know what everyone's knickers look like

because they take them all the way down, which feels like a pervert's move and this is how I take the observation into taking on society, right? Okay. Because perverts, because you can't be funny unless you're saying someone, because perverts are trying to show everyone what these girls' pants looks like, like Reese Witherspoon's pants.

They're like, they're directing her and they're like all the way down. She's like, but we don't do this. And he's like all the way down. And then they're there. So then I am now going to try and mimic art in my life. So now when I go to the toilet, I take my pants all the way down to my ankles. Okay. And that's my observation.

Also, I have a new observation as well. Can I just say when Michael McIntyre like spot something out in the world Yeah He does have a punchline at the end as well That's it's kind of a crucial element To the observation of comedy I haven't figured out the punchline yet It's just an observation

Have you figured out what the message is Or the learning? Yeah the messages Get those pants down ladies Just because a male director says that you have to have your pants and shot Doesn't mean you have to Because I think it puts a lot of pressure on you and the pants to not be stained

Hello? And then I made another movie observation so I was like maybe I'll just do a show of movie observations and I was watching Encanthal which is the new Disney movie. Amazing. And do you know Disney are trying not to do like love like not do like romantic love

as like their storylines like princess meets prince they're trying to like have like a strong female lead who doesn't need a romantic connection to be complete and everything to be amazing. So instead they're putting a lot of pressure on her. Family relationships. And I think I'd rather watch a story of unattainable love from someone I don't know than the idea of being like, you're going to love your sister.

Your sister's going to be your ride or die. Now, this is good stuff. This is a good rich thing. Yeah. I'd say drop the pants stuff, but we're into this. Okay. But maybe the pants is like a segue into it. No, no.

Because the stained pants are not a segue into children. Let me just tell you right now, they're not. And you don't want them to be. that's going to be a no but the Disney stuff is great right yeah so it's like the unattainable love of someone that you've never met and like that perfect relationship

I feel like I've got over that and I've challenged it in my brain and now I mean the argument is I shouldn't still be watching Disney movies as regularly as I do but who likes their sister that much yeah I think you I think you're onto something there do you really I think you're onto something there yeah

absolutely what observations do you have at the moment Why did this get turned on me? I was objectively the meanest one to you and you've really put it on, Catherine. I felt judged and I panicked and I pounced out. I asked you why you wanted to like expand your artistry. He's the dick about it and then suddenly I get told my set is a piece of shit.

No! And then I'm like suddenly on the spot like, what observations do you have shithead? Like I, isn't it mad how matches fit and shit? I'm like, you don't know me. You don't know me. I have stuff going on. I just want to know if there was any observations

that you've made recently where you're like this is killer, this is killer. I did have one yesterday. Andrew hit me. Because Netflix, I just thought the other day, Netflix has a play something feature. Like that's how... It's like a shuffle. Yeah, like how... What a state are we in in society that we're

just like, just play something, anything. Please, don't give me a second alone. My thoughts, just play something. Anything, please. God. Oh, thank goodness Emily and Paris. Oh, there was a moment. I'm just going to say it. I absolutely love. season two of Emily and Perry, which is how it's meant to be pronounced. Oh, sorry.

It's supposed to be a rhyme. Good Lord. Oh my God, have you watched series two? No, babe, no. Have you not watched series one? No. I mean, I watched a bit of season one because Emma Black was watching it back in the day, but like... Oh, I watched all trash television. Emily and Perry, my favourite moment is

in series two when she, frankly, I hope it's okay to say, emaciated, stylish, like fashion-influenced, like thin, thin actress gives a, like frankly not at all rousing speech on body positivity to an office of also emaciated French women and they're like yeah yes and and the whole thing is so lackluster it's like a writer was writing up being like I guess somebody should say something about this I guess fucking amazing who should maybe let's get over quick though because we all have to break for cigarettes soon like it was it's so bad was that an observation Andrew no it wasn't no okay right we can't

I don't want to figure it out. Stop trying to trap her into doing observational comedy. I think it's because I'm learning about comics. I only learned what a pun was at the end of last year. So I'm still like... Finn Taylor described to my comedy to my face as anxious Annie. And I was like, I'm not even insulted. Like, that's my vibe.

That's brilliant. That should be a show title. Yeah. I'm just like, we're like conversational, confessional, diarized idiots. And we just like, I think we and I tend to, well, maybe we're different comics. But like, I think that what we do is. oversharing to the point of trauma bonding with a bit of lulls.

I do love trauma bonding with the crowd because they can't trauma bond back. Yeah, they don't get to, oh my God, absolutely. It's one-sided trauma bonding. That's our comedy style. I think what I'm trying to say is that Catherine and I are doing two shared previews over the next couple of weeks at the Camden Comedy Club. Oh my gosh, yeah, we are. And I would love it if you would come and hear some of my new movie observations.

I'll just be doing my usual trauma shit. And I will be making some observations from and not only including Spencer, June, Star Wars, Legally Blonde, Enkanto and Jaws. You should start a film podcast. What, no, Andrew, we're doing this podcast. We'll make this into a film podcast. Our work in progress, no, our double-headed work in progress on the 31st of January is at Camden Head and you can find tickets on our websites or at least on my website. Can they find them on yours, Helen? I could do a film podcast.

Oh my God. I'm so sorry. Our guest today is comedian, actor and all-round good guy. A sweet baby angel. A very funny boy from the show that is Feel Good is Jack Barry. Jack Barry, everybody. Wee. Hi, it's Catherine from Justy Hogs.

I'm going on tour. My new show is called This Isn't For You, despite that. it is for you and I would very much like you to attend. Please come. I'm going all over the UK and Ireland and it starts in February and finishes in June. So good long haul, plenty of dates and frankly there's plenty of tickets left. So please come and tell your friends or if you think they'd hate it. Tell your enemies. Either way, I'll see you there. I hope. Right? Come on. Okay, great. Hogs, please.

Welcome to the podcast. It's Jack Barry, everybody. Yay! Jack, I've literally started this by crying by something we were just talking about which you can't discuss on the podcast. No, because you're worried pitching. But now I feel like I've got watery eyes.

It's fine, nobody can see. Jack Mary, how are you? Oh, very well, thank you. How are you guys? Yeah. I'm doing my phone on airplane mode. Oh, shit, I haven't done that. Very professional.

Well, this is the thing. You never know what's going to pop up. Like, I've got two, right, Two voice notes from Janine Haruni. Who doesn't want to hear them? I know right. You're going to have to listen to that right now. You know what it is.

The voice notes are for anyone who doesn't know Janine Haruny's an amazing comedian and she's on honeymoon. She's in Thailand, isn't she? In Thailand. But she is constantly uploading these pictures of her and her husband and she's being held up like a plank. Yeah, because it's her birthday and she refuses to walk. I cannot understand how they're not photoshopped.

So I'm trying to get her to explain to me how a body can do that. She looks very like a fish that he's just caught post-divor. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a Tinder picture. It is. It really is. Oh, my God, I so know what you mean, that picture of a guy holding up a fish,

but you know it's not. It's a fish that he needed to catch. Because he's just lost access to the kid. Yeah. So it's not the case of, like, going fishing and catching a fish. And it's like, oh, good, something for dinner for the wife to cook. It's like, I'm just going to hold this because I've got nothing else to hold. Exactly.

There's that look of love in his eyes that's like, you're all I've got now, fish. Oh my God. I'm going to feed on you for you. Can we please introduce Jack Barry properly? Jack Barry is an excellent comedian. Also, an excellent actor. Also, just off tour with May Martin as support. Thank you.

What an exciting time for you? Also, previous face of McCoys. Hey, I was the face of McCoys. Let it not go on. It has to be mentioned. I'm glad that still comes up. It's still, unfortunately, it's the biggest highlight of my career. No.

In everything I've done, I'd say McCoy's. Tour support for May Martin's pretty epic. It was pretty epic. Talk of Pothmae Martin's epic, being your own tour support, I'd say it's even more epic. That's amazing. That's amazing. So tell us about that. I left my agent and basically I got fucked over with the money and I didn't have any money to pay a tour support or anyone to drive my car or tour manage or anything.

So basically in the last year I did a tour where I was just doing everything. I had a wig. I was like, if I put this wig on, then I'll come out and I'll say, I've got my support act. He's called Derek Jokes. She's a really great guy. And I was expecting just the audience to immediately be like, ha ha ha, ha, but it never got a laugh. I would just walk out.

And I'll be like, does everyone know who Jack Barry is? And they go, yeah? And I go, so it's me in a wig? And they go, yeah? And I'll be like, okay, that's fine. As long as I know that you're getting the joke and just not, you know, laughing at it. That's fine.

But it's that thing of like when you're in a wig, you've committed already. You get so hard. And I made so many callbacks to it throughout my set as well. And the callbacks would get a bit more than the initial joke, but it was quite mortifying. That's amazing. Did you do tour support for May as Derek or Jack?

As Jack, yeah, yeah, I was just Jack, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Jack, the character from Feelgood, not me, the comedian. Because Derek's... Yeah, well, I was more the suit from Feel Good. Amazing. Yeah. But correct me if I'm wrong, Derek doesn't get gigs independently. Oh, no, not really, not yet. Derek's very much a support artist.

Like, Derek's, no one's calling up being like, can we get Derek at Moth Club tonight? Like, he's not. No, no, unfortunately not. Derek mostly just, yeah, he does my new jokes that aren't good enough for me to do in my say. I've actually personally never seen Derek live. I've only heard about it.

You're unlucky. I know. I've seen pictures of Derek performing. I'd like to see him live. If people start requesting him, I would really enjoy that. Would you do it? Yeah. I remember, like, years ago, Matt Ewens did a show in Edinburgh.

Yeah. And he did this show called Gag Tannamo Bay. It was like very Matt Ewan. It was very Matt Ewan. And he had this flyer printed and it was like it was a four like a foreheader and he had all these other comedians on the flyer

and one of them was called like Derek Potatoes No no what was he called? No I've just called said Derek. Something else potatoes Because Derek's in your head. Derek's in my head. But anyway and then basically he would start the show by going

everyone else is dead, it's just me and then that was just how he explained it at the beginning of the show but one day Oliver Potatoes this family came and they were like is Oliver Potatoes on today and he was like well no I made him off

And they were like, oh, they were really disappointed. This family were like, sorry kids. I guess there's no Oliver Potatoes today. That's insane. Why are we keeping kids there? I don't know. On the floor it said Oliver Potatoes was like Derby's premiere comedian. So I can only guess that they were from Derby and it just looked for a comedian from Derby.

Could have been Irish. Could have been Irish. Yeah, just the fan of the name. That's true. That's amazing. I kind of get where they're coming from though, because there are some names where you're like, they're going to be funny. Do you want to mean, like a funny name?

And like, Oliver Potatoes, he'd be like, I imagine there's some juggling. Like, I wouldn't imagine it being like straight down the lens, sort of like comedy, like insane observations. It would be like, Oliver Potato. Like, come on stage backwards. It'd be like, where are you? There you are.

And that's my brand of comedy. I kind of wish he was a searing satirist, though. Yeah, just kind of doing something really serious. Yeah. But just every now and again, like, So my favorite genre of comedy because I don't really watch so much comedy apart from like the gigs I'm doing

is magic on the free fringe. But when they're... So magic on the free fringe means that they're not able to do a full venue so usually it's not like quite polished yet they're learning their craft. So I totally respect the fringes for learning. So...

And I like magic when they're still figuring it out because like half the jokes end with like autistic guys going off fuck side! And then going my next trick, forget it. And like saying haven't quite got the power, but they're also trying to slip in a couple of jokes

things like they've read about showmanship. They haven't seen it. They haven't learned how to play it off if it doesn't land. Yeah. Okay. I've been there. And it's so incredible watching them doing like, it's really like insane thing and then they don't do it.

And they're like, fuck, pay fucking 200 quid for that joke last week online. And they're really pissed off and then they go, you guys drinking? Bring you back. I would genuinely love to go see that with you. I have to say my own personal brand of escapeism at the fringe, because that's presumably why you go to see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is very earnest and ultimately terrible plays. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love a studio production. I love anything where they're trying to do more than one theme, but, like, searing social commentary. I went to see a football-themed show that was on with the Pleasant, so I shouldn't. It was probably a very good production,

but also they were trying to get so many social issues in. So, like, I started and they were talking about, like, homophobia, and then sexism, and then racism, all important. And then classism. In an hour? In an hour. In a play about football. You've got to pick one, haven't you?

Then one of their dad dies on the side of the page. Then there's like, I think another health matter as well. And I just honestly, oh, and domestic abuse, obviously. Stop. Oh my God. The problem was that I was so tired and found it all so, I was howling laughing. This is the problem. Hysteria.

Bloods of tears. It was just really moving you. But the problem was like, obviously the only people were, were in, we're like, they're parents. So everyone was horrified by me and I couldn't, I couldn't. Like, even the people I was with, were like, shut the fuck up. And I just, I, every time there was another social

issue, I just had the best time. So great. What is your form of escapism at The Fringe? Oh, I don't know. But everything you were saying was reminding me, when I did student comedy, we used to flyer on the mile. And there was one year where we were, every day we just ended up flowering next to this production, which was, it was a

production of Oliver Twist. Oh, my God. I love it. Set in Nazi Germany. and and I would go. That's the thing. I like it. I love Edinburgh French so much. And it was like it was like a secondary school production but all the girls were in like corsets like slutty sort of fishnets. Now everyone who's listening to this would be like

that's disgusting made the girls do it. I remember being a teenage girl. We wanted to be slow. I'm sure they did. Strong overuse of the word slot about children I would say. Children, teenagers. I would know. Two of the bat.

Revealing? Shall we say revealing? Yeah, they were revealing. They were revealing. And not very Nazi, I wouldn't have said. Like, not very time-sensitive. Yeah, where's the uniform? Put your uniform on.

Yeah, I don't know. And they would stand in the middle of the royal mile every day going, status. And they'd go, orphan. And they'd be like, what name? Oliver, Oliver Twist. And I still can picture it so clearly in my head because I saw it all day, every day. And there was like one girl who was obviously the lead

and her mum was the director of the play. So she would be sort of swanning around in her sort of corset. Nazi corset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then her mum sort of had a cane and she'd sort of hobble over and be like, come and see my daughter, but in Nazi Germany. And it was the most surreal thing I've ever seen. I never went to see the show.

But I think that's what it is. It's that like it's so cringed. What you were saying was like cringe. But then it's like, when children are doing it because they're really earnestly taking on a big social subject. Like, you know,

when at school, when you're doing your GCSEs and you're going to have a really intense subject and you sort of like pull out, you know? That was honestly, that's, what a joy. And the worst thing about it was that they were obviously of the age at school where some of them were, now I'm going to sound like a pervert,

but some of them had matured and some of them had it. So you're like, okay. The artful dodger was flat chested, but Nassie was fucking there. There were some women in, corsets and there were some tiny girls in corsets basically in a

group and it was just like Purvy Jack Barry Purvey Jack Barry It wasn't that I just felt bad for them because these other girls were obviously desperate to wear the outfit but they did just look like children and it was just so unnerving Wow

The ones who were majority called slots and the ones who didn't he felt sorry for wow I just I'm trying to figure out how Oliver and Nazi like who was the head Nazi like They were all girls. I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell who was an artsy.

Of course it was an all-girls school. We knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a given. You didn't need to win a day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, who, like, I just don't quite understand. So, like, Oliver's, like, a young Jewish boy? I assume so. Okay. I assumed so. I don't know. I didn't see the production, as I said. I'm sorry.

No, it's sorry to me. Be sorry to you, like, you know, them. I was trying to piece together the whole thing from their flowering technique. This is phenomenal. Build your old show at home. Did I tell you about this on the podcast already? It was like the thing that. saw that I just like I knew I couldn't see sincere theater anymore because I wouldn't be able to handle myself well. So I used to work at the national theater but like in catering. But a lot of

I worked with were also like actors, performers, writers, creatives. So there was a lot of like, oh, come see my play. Like, of course. So like loads of like really good stuff. Like people just doing stuff on zero budgets. And there was one, I think it was in Greenwich and they did a night of just like shorts from like people's plays to get them written. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And oh my God. It was insane. It was a group of like 21. kids. They took on Israel, Palestine. Finally. Some of the white kids are going to do it. Right.

Let's get that sword. Israel, all wearing white. Palestine, all in black. And it was a 10-minute series of still images with a blackout in between each one. So they'd go like, struggle. No, Tablo. War.

Tablo. Is that what it is? Still in the table. It was, I couldn't breathe. I could not, then like, every one and again, they'd hold a similar age and go, death. Oh my God, it was powerful. It was so moving and I couldn't breathe in because I knew I'd laugh. And I just, you know, when you're like, I'm struggling.

I don't know what to do with myself. It was insane. That's horrific. But it's something of like, let's do the subject. Let's take on a big one. This is why this Edinburgh, I will be taking on the subject of Israel, Palestine. Finally. Finally, Helen's diving in.

I don't think that's for the best. Anyone's going to sort it. It'd be me and Derek jokes. Every day you're like, Derek's dead. You got a piercing. I got a piercing, yeah, you noticed. I know. Lots of my best friends have not noticed.

Oh, really? It's so cool. Thank you. Also, I'm well done on it being your first piercing and it being cool rather than lame. Oh, well, that's good. That's all you want, really, isn't it? Yeah.

I went lame my first piercing. Did you get? Just the double holes here. Yeah. In the year. Age like 13. That's pretty basic. And I got like a little gold-rimmed aquamarine stone.

Oh, hideous. Hittier. And that was it. I never cleaned them. And then at the end of the time when you can change them, holy shit, the hair app and the gunk behind it was insane. Insane. The gunk.

Jack. What gunk are we talking? No, every day. Don't engage her. Like, like belly button share. Mixed with actual shares.

What have I told you before? Lavender oil. Yeah, and then like stuff that you find the corner of windows when you remember to clean them. Like, yeah.

Like bits and bob. Why do you? A collection. A pound shop from bits and bucks. Brick of Brick a brack. What prompted you to get your ear pierce? I don't know. I just thought I'm getting,

I'm getting into my 30. It's about time to have some sort of midlife crisis, isn't it? We went for a Christmas lunch with my house. We had like a house Christmas lunch out. And then we were like, let's all go get them done. So we just all went and got pissing. They all got sort of similar. They both already had piercings in there it,

but they just got like another one in the same place. Nice. Yeah, it was very pleasant. Never had it done before. Went to metal. What did I say? It was called metalmorphosis in Carnaby Street. They were very nice, very professional.

Very nice. Very professional. I was a bit shaking. afterwards. I think I built myself up. I was like, is this going to hurt? Yeah, people think it's the bigger pain that it is. But it's just so quick. And then afterwards you're like, oh right. I don't know. I've had something that I've been, generally they haven't been too painful.

I go to Sacred Gold in Soho and they have such a fancy room, but it's also like it's a bit like, what's that musical with the barber who kills people? Twini Todd. Yeah, it's true story of Tweety Todd.

Oh yeah. Okay, it's that like barbershop, like clinical barbershop vibe. where you're like somebody's gonna kill me or like feel my organs yeah it has that vibe but like I love it because it's so clean that's exciting but it does have a they will they're all a bit like they're all a bit like there's just lots of tools around yeah very clean and you're like some someone's getting caught this was like in fleet on linkway and then I did this one but she's gone now which is that Claire's on Oxford Street yeah that all fits are you did you say you're building up to a tattoo I want to I want to get a tattoo have you got any I haven't got any yeah

Yeah, no, which surprises people. Weirdly, two people in the last month. Yeah, I've always surprised people don't have tattoos because I assume that everyone's got them apart from me. I don't have any. Yeah, but you'd assume you didn't. But two people who I know quite, two people I know quite well have said they're surprised

I don't have one on my ass. They said, I seem like a guy who's got one on my ass. You do like a guy who got messed at a festival and got a treatie bird on his arm. Yeah, or like babies for stag do. Yeah. I feel sad to disappoint people in that way. So I should get one on my ass.

A Tasmanianian. devil that's the vibe you give like Taz spinning around Or like a weed leaf Yeah that's what Chris Quayle Comedy agent Chris Quail said he was surprised I didn't have The Adahash logo Yeah I get that

Yeah we're like yeah A little alien saying took me to your leader Oh my god Don't get that What tattoo were you thinking of? I wanted to get some shrooms genuinely Because we're going to do shrooms together Helen texted me the other day asking me to be her shroom guide

Trum spirit guide Shroom shaman I would have gone with but I've never done hallucingenics before Excuse me wait hold on a second hold on a second I mean I needed to rewind first of all I didn't realize you guys were on a mushroom text basis No, did I until last week I was it? It was like we've known we've met Maybe it was a bit too confident

I was mad at I was really happy with it I was just I genuinely couldn't do Sunday You were going to do them on a Sunday Yeah, it was a good day for me to do it It's the Lord's Day It's a good time to meet him I've not done mushrooms And I won't be

But where did you get them? Good Lord And you've done them before? Many times, yeah, yeah, yeah Okay, but this is the thing because I've never done hallucinics before and from all of my understanding obviously you can just take them

but like I know I'll enjoy because it's like if you're anxious going into a trip It's usually like it can make it a bad trip sort of thing You want to be someone, you know, you feel safe with someone that you know knows what they're doing. Because Jack will know. That's the only thing that could make it a bad trip, basically.

It's going into it with anxiety. Yeah, and not being comfortable and being nervous. And, yeah. And I will obviously be a tiny bit nervous because it's a new experience. You know, like, first time you do anything, like, it's a bit nerve-wracking. I know some people who grew some over locked in and then put it, when they were going to do it for the first time, put up signs all over their house that said, like, everything's okay, you're all right. See, we won't need them.

Yeah. Oh, that's very nice. Because we'll have to kneel upstairs going, you're fine or depending on the mood he's in we'll be like nothing means anything

everything is ending and you're like my friend this was like when we did bucket shows in Berlin and someone was just like dropping in tabs

of acid and like I was I would like been in the UK for a bit like people just they gave drugs or something

instead of cash sometimes they didn't have cash on them they'd have drugs so awful I would be fuming I was back living

in the UK I was back visiting and we were going for a burger and he for some reason was just like just took some he didn't know what it was exactly before he came and met me because he's like oh it's a good day I've got nothing on later I'm just hanging out with Helen and we were just sit in having Bergamister which is like like in coppers at all but like right on this big busy roundabout like in Berlin and he just suddenly went we need to go

and he not told me you taking anything this came out later so I took him back to my friends that I was staying and that he knew so it was quite close got him up all these stairs. Oh, my God. And then I just, I don't know what was wrong with me. I think I was a bit hung over. And I was kind of enjoying him. I played Elton John's Princess Diana Candle and the Wind.

Oh, my God, you do. Ten times in a row. And he was like, can you hear that? And I was like, what? No. You don't deserve this shrew, gentlemen. Yeah, that's exactly how you should not be doing shrews. Shout out to Keenan Al, a great German language comedian.

You do not deserve this. It was incorrect. So wait, so if you were being shaman, would you also do the shrooms? Well, if Sunil was upstairs, yeah, why not? Yeah, that's the thing, Sunil will be there. And what is good about mushrooms? Are they the best? Yeah, everything's good.

They're, like, pure joy, really. And they just, I mean, they can, I mean, do we want to do this? I can get it fully into this. They can, like, be used to treat mental health problems. That's for, like, microdosing, right? Well, you can microdose, or you can macrodose. like one big load. It's basically like, yeah, you take them and just everything, suddenly, you see the joy in

the world. And it just sort of makes you realise that the most important energy and force in the world is love, basically. And I find that you come out of it just feeling like, oh, love is the most important thing that there is. And yeah, yeah, it's just a good. I think they're safe. Yeah.

I mean, genuinely, in terms of bad trip, people think that if you maybe might have a bad dose, then you might go insane and you'll never be the same again or anything like that. But that's a myth. That's completely smoke. From mushrooms or overdosing on mushrooms, it's only because they have a bad reaction, they run out in front of something. But same people do with alcohol. One second. One second. Andrew?

You're sorry? Now it would be a time for a. A caveat. Yes. Please do not take any medical advice from Trustee Hogs. We are not qualified professionals and any actions you do take as a result of Trusty Hogg's we cannot be held legally culpable for. Thank Thank you.

All right, back to the question. Yes. It's so fun. Having said that, take magic mushrooms. You must take magic mushrooms. You must take magic mushrooms. No, I just want a new experience. I've never done them before.

Everyone says they're like, they're fun, the magical, like, it unlocks a little creative thing in your brain. I'm like, let's fucking do that. I do think everyone should do them. How do they mix with, like, other medications, though? You should do research into it because I have heard other people say that if you're on antidepressants, but I think it's like a safety thing. a safety thing but I honestly like

I have heard of lots of people who have been on antidepressants who have taken them and it's been fine. Am I such a buzzkill? I'm like no no it's taken me to the age of 30 to be like oh I want to try hallucinogenic because before that I was like oh no that's not really for me like I've just never like been around them

that much just not something that like I was around in my world but now I'm like no I do I want to try it I'm fascinated by it and I'm fascinated by these different experiences and I'm like you know what I've got an option to do it and also because Because, like, I don't think I'm quite as sensible as you and Andrew, but I definitely know enough to be like,

okay, so a space you feel familiar and comfortable in, home. Someone that's staying sober, just in case anything does go wrong. Set and setting, they call it. Yeah, and someone who knows what they're doing and can, like, experience it with you so you're not alone in the trip. Done, tick to tick. Exactly. Make sure you're in a comfortable set, set and setting is like,

setting is like with people you trust in a place where you feel safe. And then set is just like mindset. you've got to go into it knowing that you're going to see some crazy shit some of it you might not like but ultimately it's good if you're confronting those things and ultimately it's like a natural thing

it's a thing that grows in the ground and they're these natural things that have helped people and people have taken them for like millennia for religious reasons or mental health reasons and so if it's showing you any crazy shit in your head or something that happens to you when you're a child there's probably a reason that it wants you to see it

and it can be like a turbo form of therapy, basically. And also because maybe a friend really want to do ayahuasca, but I don't want to do ayahuasca without having some experience. Ayahuasca is intense, girl. Exactly. So it's like you want to like, there's like there's ways of like getting into things. Do you know what I mean? And like trying out.

Yeah. It might not be an experience that I enjoy. I might have a good trip but still be like, you know what? That's not for me. You know? I'm excited. Yeah. I do think it's good.

I've read, I'm writing a script about magic mushrooms. therapy with magic mushrooms. I've read like little books about it now so any good books we should read? There's a book called How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan which I would recommend it's really interesting. My mum did trumes when she was this like a couple of years ago

and she said that all she saw was tits the whole time and she's like I don't know why I am I am in but my mum like was on but my mum's done like she was like a hippie like she's done all everything like my mum's very I'm convinced I'm in I'm in

I'm in to do it. I'm in To do it, it's because my mum's so like, give it go. But she was just, like, surrounded in, like, a bosom. Oh, that's amazing. I am in. I did it once, and I went to the bathroom. Everything in my bathroom was made out of ice cream. That was one that I remember.

Yeah, yeah. Did you lick your bathroom then? I didn't lick it. No, no, no. But it was just like everything, it just looked like ice cream. And one time it was like, you know when, you know, like, a little, you know, like, in Japan, you buy, like, everything has, like, a little face on it, like, a cartoon film. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everything in my bathroom had, like, that. that little face on it. Hello, Jack. Yeah, and my toilet was like, come and piss in my mouth. And I was like, okay. And he was like, happy about it. But like in an innocent way.

In the toilet's mouth becomes such a theme on this podcast. Also, what I was mentioned before. For someone who hasn't done it, but has like read about it and like has friends to do them. Like you also need to allow time for it. Like it's not like a trip that you can bounce out of very quickly. Like you can have a lot of sugar from where I can Yeah, yeah, once you're done, eating sugar is a good thing to do, yeah.

Yeah. It just counteracts the psilocybin in you, basically, and it just sort of brings it down. So if you're ever having, like, a bad trip and you feel uncomfortable, you don't want to then they say eat a snickers, and that will sort of start to calm you down. There's an excuse to have a kick-catchup. It's becoming more and more my drug. Titties and chocolate, yes, please. Oh, you know, great.

Yeah, like, acid I've done as well, and acid, like, lasts for ages. So, like, the problem with that is, like, if you're on it for, like, 13 hours. Then by the end, you're like, I kind of want to be normal now. Yeah. But as you're like, three or four hours, do it in the afternoon. By the evening, you're feeling pretty great. There's no hangover. You don't feel rough the next day.

Everything just kind of has like a rosy glow. That's what I'm excited for just to like get a slightly different perspective. Yeah, and just to rub things away. One of the things I read was like, you know, when they use this analogy that your brain is a bit like snow. And you have these tracks in the snow. and you know like if a sled's going through snow the tracks get deeper and deeper and that's like your regular thought patterns

like so all your sort of insecurities or anxieties of like oh I'm stupid I'm ugly people hate me all these things that go around in your head all the time they just get deeper and deeper and deeper and you can get and you can sort of rub away the tracks with therapy or meditation

or like one hefty dose of psilocybin it just kind of like rubs away the snow so that then you can start to make new tracks and it can just like kind of help you reset and yeah and it's the same with most things about mental health like what works for one person doesn't work for the other like everyone has different things that will work for them so this is not like you know like some people go like oh you need to do like i've got friends you do a very specific form of therapy which is definitely not my route in the same way there are people who do loads of therapy but the idea of taking medication like prescribed or non-prescribe medication is totally wrong for them because that really that if anything adds anxiety into them other people are fine with medication but the idea of talking they're not there yet they're not there yet they're not ready it's not comfortable for them like you find the one that works for you and I am definitely at a point when I am ready I'm like in a good place and ready to try out a different option alongside I'm excited man I would say that I am more I mean I don't know if it's the right one for you no I'm not saying I'm not saying that I would do it I'm just saying like I think that

I what I am aware of now is what I don't I don't know enough about this to have an opinion on her. Yeah. And that's a good thing's about to say. Like, to be like, okay, cool,

I'm going to read about it and I will read about it. Yeah. That's so cool. Also, I just think like anything, anything that moves us towards, like,

more options for dealing with the mental health issues. Well, absolutely. Yeah. That being said, but do you remember that guy I told you about

who lost everything, had his stuff stolen? And then he rung up his mom to be like, I've got nothing, mother. And she was like, oh, you're telling me,

son, I walked to the shed this morning, broke both my legs. Yeah, when I told you about that guy, yeah, big hallucinogenic guy. Some people just know, just absolutely not. That shouldn't bother. I saw this guy walk into a park so many times, hugging trees, being like, that's the last time we'll see him.

I generally stay away from drugs because I have done some in my lifetime, but I would say I have a very addictive personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you can have an addictive person, I don't know if you can have an addictive personality or just like, if it's just your hormone composition, but... I wonder about that as well. but I would say that I, whatever it is,

that my general reaction to drugs have been like, more, give me more, can I have more now? And I don't love myself when I'm on them. Well, that's, yeah, the thing is about shrooms as well, but they're not addictive because once you've done like a dose, you can't really do it for the next couple of days because it kind of you use, I don't understand it, but if you do like a dose,

then like you'll have to recharge for a couple of days. But also I find that most addictive drugs, like they're the ones that make you feel shit the next day. horrendous. Because then you're like, oh, God, I feel awful. If I take more of it, then maybe I'll feel good again. Most rooms, the next day you feel great. And so then you're like, well, that works.

I overdosed when I was four, because I drank a bottle of cowpoles. So I feel like I fully understand what we're discussing here. Yeah, you've been to the edge. They shouldn't make it taste so good. It's so fucked up. Oh, my God, we have to add. How do you OD on it? Is it possible?

Isn't it just sugar? You go into a cowpoll coma. Found me passed out by a week. window with an empty bottle of cowpull. And luckily, carp hole dribbling down your cheek. Cowl coma. No, but like how many Irish mothers

have been putting their kids to sleep with CalPol for years? Parents do all the time still because it makes them sleepy. But luckily it turned out, she went to the hospital, obviously, just in case, but it turned out like Little Helen has insisted on using a spoon

and I've done a lot of spilling. So most of it was on the floor. I just fell asleep and wasn't a big deal, but she still had to go into A&E and be like, my four-year-old's OD. Don't take the kids away. When you said use a spoon There was a moment where I was imagining

You cooking it and injecting it Same I just watched dopesick and everything I hear about drugs now I'm like, it'll kill you, it's going to kill you And the whole town, the whole town Anyway, have you seen dopesick I haven't seen it but I haven't had it recommended Oh my good, it's so depressing

But Andrew I feel like now we have a To solve a listener problem Oh yeah, okay, okay great Got anything druggy? I sort of. This kind of fits with the mental health theme. I'd also like to apologize on Mike

just in case I can't edit around it. Sweenie Todd is not actually a true story. So I apologize for my satter. Sorry, I just... What did you say, Andrew? Did you say, I'm sorry, Svini Todd's not true. Sorry, Andrew, did you get something wrong? I mean, I don't get too crooked

because I could just edit this out. I'm just to be clear. Sweeney Todd might not be a true story, but it felt true to me when I watched it. Thank you. There's legends that in my... The point is, we do have a listener correspondent This is from T.

Hi, T. If you'd like to send us your own correspondence, trusty hogs at gmail.com. And they say, Hello, Hogs. There are things I want to do, brackets, creative projects that I know will bring me pleasure

once started, let alone finished. However, the thought of summoning the energy and gumption to begin is horrifying. When I was younger, I was so motivated and busy and happy as I've gotten older and as I haven't succeeded in many of my endeavors,

I find I just can't start new pursuits anymore. When I try, I get sad and riddle with self-loving about how I'm motivated Didn't Lays I am, how do you both summon the will to begin new things? How do you find motivation when the barrels seem empty? You're both so impressive at getting shit done, et cetera. Any secrets? Just to be clear, if that's your perception that you're receiving, like,

wow. I know what my answer to this is, but I'm wondering whether it's your answers. Okay, so first of all, I spend my entire day, this is my daily thought pattern. Morning, I should probably do something. Oh, I haven't done it. It's too late now. well I mean realistically you should have done it once ago I guess oh god nothing nothing you've ever done is worthwhile sweet okay should I maybe try something I mean what how would how even I even I can watch some television dope sick seems good I guess I'm eight episodes into that shit I wasted my day I like should I go to this gig will I cancel the gig do I even like gig what's the point of comedy I guess I'll go to the gig I guess I'll do the old crap again here I'm doing the old crap sweet well everyone knows I'm a fucking fraud good night and do you Helen I wake up Monday morning and I wake up Monday morning and I start accomplishing 7 a.m. Everyone's different, but I like to have a win before 7.30 in my Monday.

That's just how I do things. No, I, I have thought. Helen's buying crypto first thing, Monday morning. Yeah, just me and to Neil Patel trading. Like, first thing. I will say this. I have thought about this a lot in my life about like, how do you find the motivation? I do think it comes back to that old thing of like, you don't want to find yourself up a ladder,

you don't want to climb? So like forcing yourself to do something if you don't want to do it, you're going to end up further along in something you don't want to do. So like you've got to find something you want to do and then figure out how you work and then you'll be able to work. Because if forcing yourself to sit down and silence and get work done, if you don't do it that way, then you're never going to do it that way. You're always going to be motivating yourself to do something by bullying yourself,

which inevitably doesn't work. So I'm a social worker. Like I find it very... Look out of people. Very helpful to like out of the people to do work for me. No, I find it very good to be like, oh, let's meet up and like work on this. And so I collaborate a lot of projects. Like it's very rare that I am able to start and do something myself.

I think that's happened maybe once in my lifetime and I found the whole thing a struggle and a stress. Yeah. So when I start putting together in Edinburgh show, I will find someone to work on it with. So this year I'm working with Rose Johnson from the. birthday girls. I used to work with the amazing Phoebe Burke. I still do on things. Whenever I get something big in that I've got to really focus on and do stuff on, like Phoebe, for example,

help me with my live at the Apollo set just so I could go through it with someone, just to be accountable almost. Yeah, I'm working on my Edinburgh show with Charlie Dinkin and last two shows I worked with Paul Bourne and I couldn't have done it in either scenario without those people. I think collaboration's good. I also think you're right about figuring out how you

work and also sometimes that can change. Like, my first Edinburgh show, I was really good at typing out all of the words. the second show that absolutely paralysed me. Yeah. And then I was like, fuck this. Why am I doing this? Okay, I'll just go back to notes and that was much better for me. So it can change. But I would say like

I think the biggest hindrance is comparing yourself to your past self. It's a bit like, I don't think it's particularly helpful. How productive were you tea as well? Yeah. But also like that's not where you're at today. So like you can be like, congrats to me.

That was great. I'm glad I did that. Moving forward from today, I think I spend, I have tried to stop this, but I do spend an awful lot of time beating myself up for the time I've already wasted and it's like you're not getting that back on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick your goals, like, Senil's got a dream and vision board I made him at home. You made him?

And one of them says resistance training to like get fit, but in brackets underneath it it says lift wet towel with dick and I think that's unattainable strength to lift a wet towel up with a dick. No, he's said it for himself. Oh, he said that for himself. Well, he set up resistance training and then my friend

came over and wrote that on it. Okay, okay, okay. But there's like, there's two things, right? It's like, one, how do you get motivated and two? Also, like, everyone is having the same struggle as you. Like, no, this idea of thinking that we are producing loads, I constantly feel like I'm underproducing. Yeah, you think Kim Jong-un's waking up every day

and just sort of going for it? How no? What? It's like a way that we think about people in society, isn't it? We really, like, revere, like, people who've been successful or something. And we forget that they've all had gone through this same struggle. when you only see the things that people have produced, you know,

if you only see the films that people have made or the shows that people have written, then it feels like they are very productive. But they've all had days and days and days that they've wasted and fucked around. And I read this thing the other day, which I thought was useful, was like, you know, sometimes it's good

just to like compartmentalize a day into like four sections. So you have like early morning, late morning, early afternoon, late afternoon or whatever. And so if you waste one section, don't go, oh, the days are right. off just go right that quadrant wasn't any good we'll move on to the next bit and I can have a productive late morning yeah I would say also I think this was the word like motivation there

yeah yeah I think I like really early on in comedy I tried to take it well I got some advice from from Jimmy Carr but I thought it was oh my clang clang but I think it's really good advice which is like stop waiting like he's like motivation and inspiration don't really exist like maybe for your first five minutes of comedy day like you get inspired but like inspiration is like for

like one hit wonders and then the rest of us just sit down and do the work I think like waiting to be inspired or waiting to have the motivation you can wait a I certainly can wait a long ass time I don't have that much time to wait so I think like trying to come up with riding exercises that help you help inspire you or at least like are an achievable thing

So even without motivation, you'll get it done in 15 minutes. It's something you've done today. Grind, it's a grind. I always feel like those questions sort of of this style. You want to be able to just sort of be like, it doesn't matter. But the reason they're writing in is because it does matter. So it's like, I'm trying to think of something.

What I'm trying to say is, I absolutely understand that it matters because I have the same crisis of faith. And like, it's so burdensome. But I do think if you can't be gentler with each other, with yourself and like forgive yourself for the time that's gone and then whilst you wait to be able to do that just break things into smaller pieces like I think I know it's really good the way everyone's like drinking big but also like it's also okay to like have achievable goals on a day to day basis yeah yeah so Neil I've got him into list writing because I write to do list

consistently I cannot function without me either I have them constantly on the go me too I love them so much, but the to-do list include some ridiculous things that do not need to be written down. Read one chapter of your book. I put like, run, shower on my list because it makes me feel like I achieved something.

Block eyebrows? Oh my God. But I will also say that make sure that your to do-list, I used to have like an unachievable to-do list and it would just sit there like taunting me. So it's good to break things into smaller tasks on that and also maybe even have like a personal to-do list, a work to-do list, a today

to-do list. Yeah. So that like... Yeah, that's a step above me. But no, but like having like, write Edinburgh show on your... Like, that's just a horrible... I know.

It's too much. It's paralysing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too massive. But I'll have things like 30 minutes with new material. Perfect. That's perfect.

Well, do 30 minutes on it. Yeah, just 30 minutes sitting with my notepad. If something happens, then great, but I've got 30 minutes to sit there and think about it. Exactly. But that can also...

Jerry Seinfeld the other day. He was saying, you know, I have to put like right for an hour because if I sit down it's like right for the day. It's like, well, this is never going to end then. Like, if you were at work and your boss came in and said,

do this indefinitely, you'd be like, oh my God. Like, you'd be all apart. So like, why set that mad idea for yourself? Or like the inverse of like, I, like this is going to go on forever as one attitude. Mine's like, mine tends to be like, oh, well, I have the whole day to get that done then. Yeah. Guess I'll just start with four episodes of This Is Us. Oh, yeah.

I'm in a depression home. You have to stop watching that. No, and I have to not. You have to stop as well. I have stopped. We were both like on the cusp of self-harming. This is ours. I was recommended to me.

I was one episode. I had a fucking recommended to me like this never back. They were like, you'll love it. It's so beautiful. It's a beautiful vision of life. And I lost grassland. I nearly had to double my medication. I was in an awful way.

And then. And that's why she has to do mushroom. About three months later, Catherine was like, I didn't think you should watch it. I didn't think you'd be able to handle it. And I was like, are you fucking kidding? Did I say that? And then you went in Buckworth's like, I don't know if we should allow her to watch the next season

because it was during COVID time so they filmed it, set around COVID. But then luckily I watched Selling Sunset and I don't longer trust them because Criselle was left by one of the actors. Oh my God. My housemates watch Selling Sunset.

It's incredible. I don't get into that either. I've got no truck. Thank you to Jack Barry. Do you have anything you want to plug? I mean? Shrooms coming by my shrooms. You have your own trumes?

No, I don't really. Well, I have grown. but I don't even have to sell. Oh, no, it matters, yeah. You don't want to be a sale in that. We also can't legally sell shrews. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this.

The last week's episode was Sunil trying to sell his cryptocurrency. Is that not allowed either? Well, his own cryptocurrency. This is why you can't have men on podcast. Buy Sunilbuckus. No. I don't know if I'll be doing that.

Trustee Hokes has not endorsed Sunilbuck. Or Barry Shroom. Can you please tell us, where people can find you people um please look at my website i've got lots of silly videos and stuff on there jack barry.com. ukk um i'm in feel good on netflix yeah yeah it's what's there it's perfection um and yeah i'm doing a show at the vault festival in oh baby boy vault festival it got cancelled just it just now are you kidding that's so funny no we're in half ago and an hour and a half ago i'm so sorry no this is good

I literally just don't have a show of a bowl. The only reason I'm annoyed is because literally just before Christmas it felt like everyone had a show at a vault and I was like, fuck everyone, I haven't done a show this year and I just felt guilty because I hadn't bothered because I didn't really want to do one. So then last minute I emailed like the organising and they were like, we can squeeze you in just before Christmas.

I was like, few, something productive I've done. And now it's gone. I'm so sorry. That's my favourite plug about anything. I think follow Jack Barry on all social media. We'll be tagging him in this episode when it comes out so you can find him through that. Please give him a follow and go see him at some of the show.

Hopefully I think Derek Jokes is still doing his show. Yeah, Darren's doing vaults. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Touring in the wreckage of vaults. That felt like the last year and a half in comedy just summed into one moment. It was like, I'm going to do a show. I'm not going to do it.

I'm so sorry. Finding out live that the whole. festival has been cancelled. We truly are sorry. You've been such a lovely guest. I feel like I learned something. Yeah, me too. I hope so. I've worried

that every podcast I go on now just turns into me telling everyone that they should do shrooms. No, because I started it by contrast to you being like, hey, can you help me out with this? Yeah, and also like, I'm a risk,

averse, cautious, anxious, but curious person who I think offered counterbalance of fear, anxiety on your behalf, and overbearing responsibility. So, you know, we've had a lovely time. And make sure you follow me on Instagram

to watch the Insta Live of Hell and Taken Trim. No. Are you really going to do it live? God, no. Oh, darn. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Jack Barry. So we want to do a shout out to our amazing support as we've got so far. Thank you. Our incredible exec producers. Holy shit, the top level.

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