Trusty Hogs - Ep180. Diaries, Dilemmas & Deepest Fears

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Oh, you really are. My name is Helen Bauer. This is Catherine Bohart. we will be doing a podcast where we talk about our fucking insanely cool sexy sleigh 247 lives 247-365 sleigh say say so sleigh and then we'll hear your problems because you guys are not slaying 247 365 unlike us and then we'll carry on to take leap years off don't ask any further questions sleigh so-s-s-lay and then that'll be asked done For the trusty hogs Yeah
Starting point is 00:01:59 You're gonna give them your problems And they will solve them Or maybe they won't And that's your problem They'll have guests And Andrew White on the tech Oh It's Helen and Catherine
Starting point is 00:02:16 As the trusty hogs Trust the trusty hogs Or maybe not Did you like that? Yeah I guess um this is trusty hogs by the way um just checking in and we're still doing the same podcast where he's more than once talked about chitting yourself just checking we're on the same page with that no because I now drink fresh ginger tea in the evenings and I've had a whole
Starting point is 00:02:41 personality shift oh my god that explains what's going on I was like who are we being what are we doing this today what's what is this I cut ginger up you're making it really fresh wow wait for this I cut ginger up like this just with a little knife and I pop it in In a jug. For the listener, she's miming. In a jug. Okay. And then I put some honey in it.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Local honey, because it cures hay fever, apparently. We don't know. We might have been lied to and spend a lot of money on honey we shouldn't have. And then I pour in hot water. I stir it. And then I sit down and I forget that it's sitting over there. And I go, Sneal! Can you bring me the tea?
Starting point is 00:03:17 And he brings it over and I pour it out very demurely and I have a ginger tea. And then I don't shit myself. Are you siving? I don't, yeah, I sieve. Yeah, I use his little sieve. Nice. Yeah. Nice. It's been an absolute revelation for me. Okay, well, wicked. I don't like ginger tea. Oh, but it's good. I don't like ginger biscuits. I like ginger in savory food, but I don't like it, I don't like it as a flavor in of itself, I have to say. Really? Yeah. It's so yummy. Wait. Yeah, I love it in like a stir fry, but I can't, I'm like in a, like, you know, in a sauce and a curry, but I just can't stand in it. I don't want like a peppery sort of tea. That's why you don't have your Zen voice.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yeah, that's why. And that is why. I think we can all agree. Just me with my ginger tea, doing some colouring in. Hyundai Pee, that's why. Oh my God, fuck off. Watching, watching my cartoon. Sorry, it sounds like the walls are padded.
Starting point is 00:04:10 What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I was genuinely thinking with buying a flat, maybe like two padded walls. And then I was like, wait, it's like a cell. Yeah, but I thought it's like a fun idea just to have everything be soft. Because then if I fell. No, but you know what you should get is one of those padded, like, those huge, big padded
Starting point is 00:04:30 headboards, those are delightful. I do think that you really, really, really excel in that environment. Oh my God, I know, but that happens with, like, do you ever worry with, like, material built into furniture? I don't know. I don't think I like what you're going to, I know. I already know you're going somewhere gross. Just with, like, night sweats or like, or, like, or the bed.
Starting point is 00:04:48 You know fluids in the bed, fluids in the bed, fluids in the bed. You're not doing that on your headboard. And then like, yeah, and I haven't sprayed yet. and we know that's a big tragedy in my life but I'm hoping to learn how to spray at some point. We're four minutes in. Squirting, not spraying. That's like what cats do you.
Starting point is 00:05:05 I was thinking, I was like, why is everyone looking at me like, I've got this wrong? Thank you for the clarification. Spraying is what cats do indeed. We're skunks and Helen is yet to squirt. That's true. The great travesty. We're four minutes in.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Welcome to the podcast. If this is your first episode with us, I urge you to go back and listen so that you are not surprised when this happens not because it'll be any better or different but just so that you get the tone. Yeah, can I be super clear? I'm not actually trying to learn how to spray.
Starting point is 00:05:35 I'm not, yeah, that was, that was a, that was bad. Are you actively learning, trying to lift my tail up in the bedroom? But wait, are you actively trying to learn how to squirt? I'd love to do it at least once. I think it seems like a, like it's a level of orgasm. I feel like I've never reached. I think it seems like an absolute administrative headache. I feel like you've got to think about it.
Starting point is 00:05:54 Not if you're wearing tarps and wellies. Yeah, that's true. And if you're already doing that because it's like you're king, then by only then please add the waterworks. But I'd say, generally speaking from experience, it involves an awful lot of admin. Oh, that was such a brag. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Genuinely speaking from experience. No, no, no, no. Like, as in like women I know who do it, I've never done it, but also having had a partner. Yeah, but only once. And I'm not going to high five you over that because that's not like, because it doesn't have to happen for it. Because other people's orgasm is not like my personal achievement.
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm impressed by you. Well, thank you. But I do think, like, either you have to have sex out of the bed or you have to have, like, things put down, or you have to change the sheets every time. It just seems like a fath. I think I want the fat. It just, to me, you want the ceremony.
Starting point is 00:06:40 As an outsider's perspective, it looks like it's a level of orgasm or a level of pleasure that I haven't reached, but also maybe I can't handle it. You know, maybe my body's like, you're not ready for, you're not ready for Eden. What I'll say is you definitely shouldn't as it turns out
Starting point is 00:06:58 get the material headboard and secondly... Yeah, thank you and also for teas and coffees in bed. No, no, just generally speaking I just realise who you are and I don't want you wiping your hands on it. My second question is this
Starting point is 00:07:09 is your new flat between flats Yes. God help them. Why? God help them. Well between... It's fine. The water won't go through the walls.
Starting point is 00:07:20 No, but I just mean I imagine... The noise. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking that because I finally figured out a way to hold my breasts down while I'm exercising at home, which means that jumping has... Is an option?
Starting point is 00:07:31 Arrived into my workout. What are you doing, build? It does require... In your head when you said that, are you picturing Miss Trunchball in the Danny Dvito Matilda? I was like, wonder what she's like lifting up the car and moving it. No, I was just thinking more like strapped in like a car seat. like what are we doing we're doing okay i've got i've got so many sports bras at home and it turns out
Starting point is 00:08:00 the only can you tell me this night squeezing yourself no just copy your breath i have to wear an m and s bra that's like full cup right non-wired because it really digs in it's uncomfortable yeah and then on top of that i put two of the largest size adidas sports bras on so i've got three bras on and one of them is like criss-cross so it holds them down the bottom and then one of them like holds in up the top it does yes yes i'm very warm yes i'm very warm in them so i've got three bras on pair of knickers nothing else because it's too warm so neal's home it's too he's in his he's sleeping normally is he and i'm in my bedroom how could he be with me oh you're in your bedroom okay i thought you were like in my head you
Starting point is 00:08:47 in front of the television and i'm like this guy he's yet to make a tea when he was out he was he went away for like two nights now that I'm using the front room but you know our living room goes straight onto the street so the curtains closed but at least now I can jump
Starting point is 00:09:03 because there's this exercise video I've been dying to do it's to the music of Enkanto how's it going? I love it they do like two minutes of we don't talk about Bruno and then two minutes of surface pressure
Starting point is 00:09:17 with weight could I possibly reflect on something that's very interesting that I've learned how to oh I'm doing Could I just take note of something? Last time we spoke about exercise, you were talking about how cathartic, a big stump is,
Starting point is 00:09:29 now all of a sudden you were dying to try this video. Helen, do you like exercise now? Do you find it good for your brain and nice for your body? Are you doing it to feel good? I hate you so much right now. Yes! I hate you. Oh my God, it comes for us all.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Welcome to your 30s, baby. That's how it feels. It feels has come for me, come in a way or I'll say it a little bit late my knees hurt oh yeah I know okay bending down it hurts I'm like why did I not have this I'm so loud I have to wear headphones mainly so I can't hear my knees and hips when I run I'm just like I can't be doing with this what's wait wait with this this is part of a warm up video I watched the other day you stand up yeah and you get your knee up and you pull it out to the side and all I hear is ready I don't think that
Starting point is 00:10:17 you can hear that on the podcast but it was it was three audible clicks yeah howie I have sort of... Do you hear that? Yeah. Yeah. We're fucking... That's my knee. We've waited too long.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I know, but you, you... This is the thing is, I just think P.E. is designed to put a lot of people off exercise, and it did for me for decades. And then you finally come to it and you're like, fuck, I actually should have been doing this. This is quite nice for my brain specifically. Mad women should, may I say, should be moving. It's so good for the brain. Yeah, isn't it amazing?
Starting point is 00:10:49 I fucking know, but I love to hear you saying. me and me and frances that i tell you this we're obsessed with this woman but there's um she does some like uh christian workout videos have you found this side of the working no so i found like disney workouts i was like slain then i found some naughty's dance part i don't know if i'm working out whether i'm just dancing but there's um there's christian praise workouts you guys have got to do them and there's one which is all about like arms and it's Christian praise and like half of it it's like no fuck all
Starting point is 00:11:22 and it's like crossing yourself you are not you're joking it's the internet has so many versions of exercise you're not lunging you're geniflecting what's happening it's when you get down on one knee oh yeah see that's the sort of stuff you do it in front of an altar
Starting point is 00:11:39 do you want to come do a Christian workout with me absolutely not are you sure I'm sure that it would cure me of exercise ever if I did that it's a no I like to do it's a no but Jesus wants you to heal your body. Jesus wants a lot of things but he's had enough of my time frankly. Thank you very much. The best is the comment. People go, oh my God I love this burn. I've dropped three dress sizes.
Starting point is 00:11:56 God is so great. That's so funny. How do they talk about feeling the burn and not get into hellish territory? Because you're there to take care of yourself and God wants you to take care of yourself. I know but I just mean like if you're feeling the burn that's usually bad if you're a Catholic but they're really
Starting point is 00:12:15 you know what I'm saying? Was that a reference to her? Yeah. Very good. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Love explaining my jokes to you. I know you hate it. You are quicker than me. We've spoken about this. I know, I know, but this sounds amazing. I'm glad that you're in this territory, even if it's weird as hell. I exercise and I also have a Bible. What? No, you go fast. No, what is that? That's my self-compassion Daily Journal. I wanted to talk about it. Oh, I was just going to say that I'd gotten into like ballet size a little bit. Is this the bar again? No, I can't do bar classes. They're too hard and they're too. stressful, they're too mean. I got it. But I watch like, but and also I can only do ballet size or like anything ballet balletic for like 10 minutes. So I do like a little calf workout or a leg workout. Wait, calf workout. Is that a thing? Well, I don't have any calves. So I try to sometimes,
Starting point is 00:13:02 it doesn't make any difference, but it's fine. Fuck. Yeah, I know. God, there's always something new to be insecure about. Oh no, no. I know I've got big calves because once I asked a guy who I was completely in love with, what do you like about me the most? And he went, you've got strong calves. and I cried. Not in front of him when I got home that evening. No, it's not. People are always like, wear your calves. And I'm like, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:22 This is just the way I was born. Someone said, wear your calves to you. Yeah, people have said that. Give me fucking names. People say mean, but people are constantly, anyway. Talk to me about the Bible that you've brought with you
Starting point is 00:13:35 and please clarify immediately for the listener. But I feel like I'm like running a cult now. I just realized it. But I think I've mentioned it a couple of times in those couple of weeks. It's a self-compassion daily journal. Can I just say? what I was not expected
Starting point is 00:13:47 when you said you were going to bring it in I thought and I think M thought as well and you the listener might have thought though when Helen was referencing her self-compassion journal you meant you went out gone and bought a yellow or like nice notebook from a let's face it yellow notebook you love yellow from a stationery shop
Starting point is 00:14:03 and we're filling in things but it seems to be like a work book can I read the front I'm not going to open it or read anything I mean you can read some of the pages no I won't read any of the pages I would never I would never so it's called a self-compassion daily journal let go of your
Starting point is 00:14:16 inner critic and embrace who you are with acceptance and commitment therapy. And it's by Diana Hill, PhD. Who I love. And on the back it says, are you overly self-critical? Do you hold yourself to unrealistic standards? If so, you aren't alone. Many people find it challenging or even uncomfortable to embrace and accept themselves with kindness, but as encouragement, not criticism that will help you build the flexibility
Starting point is 00:14:37 and strength you need to make positive, meaningful changes. And so presumably... I hadn't actually read the back. That's very interesting. That's all I would have read. this journal provides a safe place to tune in and learn to care for yourself so that you can effectively respond
Starting point is 00:14:49 to life's challenges. That's what I'm doing. And this sounds great. This is like, well, I didn't get it for all those reasons. I got it, I got it, oh maybe it is because of that. It was recommended to me by my therapist
Starting point is 00:15:01 because I'm at that stage of therapy where they're like, we're going to hire in a team and you're like, oh, okay. Sorry, what? Like, you know, when, you know that moment when your therapist first looks at you and goes like, I think we need to add someone else to the team. I thought you already did that with the nutrition.
Starting point is 00:15:13 Yeah, so we did that. And then she was like, maybe just a bit of support between sessions. Have you considered getting a book? And I was like, okay. Okay. Like, okay, I'm not doing as well as ever. Yeah, I thought I was nailing it. Okay, so we're getting a whole group in, are we?
Starting point is 00:15:27 I'm doing exercise and I'm still fucking up. No, we're just, we're just, I'm just really struggling to just see myself as a nice person who deserves love. Um, ha ha ha ha. So, and like part of that is obviously. The high pitch laughter is definitely making it seem chill and normal. and like you're fine with that. I'm just fucking easygoing. I'm just easy,
Starting point is 00:15:47 easy, beautiful cover gun. I always be easygoing, Helen Bauer. The pages towards the back you haven't filled in. But then like it's all come from like well I haven't done all the weeks yet.
Starting point is 00:15:57 So may I look at one of the ones that's empty please? You may. So this will be week five. Okay great. So this is a life well lived. Definitely do not read it. I think it's incredibly triggering.
Starting point is 00:16:07 No, no, no, but I was thinking more like if we look at at the cues, this is very like nice. Like when do you feel like you're growing and learning the most, what sparks your curiosity and interest. And what I like about this actually is, I actually think I genuinely, I'm sorry to say it, I think I actually would benefit
Starting point is 00:16:23 from this. But more importantly, I think what I like about it a bit, like as we know, my favorite kind of book has a short chapter. This, what I like about it is, there are three lined lines for you to fill in, which to me is at a reasonable expectation. A page feels daunting. Three sentences, achievable. You get a page at the end of each week to say, like, just go through the exit, look back the exercise you've done this week. It feels like a gratitude journal. This is what a fit, because I've never done any of those gratitude journals,
Starting point is 00:16:51 but I was like, so basically what I really want to do is, and I'm sure this will like, I'm hoping this makes sense to people, is like, because I've treated myself so unkindly over the years, or not felt like I've deserving of things, or just not thought it was a good person.
Starting point is 00:17:07 I think a lot of people struggle with that, and then you feel into like addictions and bad habits or whatever one you're on it is. And then you're sort of like, oh it's but I like doing that thing so I don't want to stop it but then you've got to like rewiring brain to be like no no I'm punishing myself with that and actually it's a privilege and it's a nice thing to take care of myself so you're saying oh actually I don't like let's say smoking that's an easy one I don't actually like smoking I actually like being able to
Starting point is 00:17:32 breathe easy and not feeling awkward in social situations so then you're like oh that's actually what I like but then to do what your body actually likes you have to have compassion for yourself to actually want to do it to be like oh I deserve to feel good though I deserve to feel well or I deserve to feel love so this is a lot of this in me as me being like no I do deserve to be loved because I think I've always I always have rejected it but there's just some that are so lovely exercises where it's like just can you oh feeling cared for I love this one who makes you feel included seen and appreciated right about memory when you first felt appreciated and love so you think back oh like when did I first remember feeling
Starting point is 00:18:12 wanted and loved and appreciated and it's just so lush to go through it and then there's some which are i don't understand okay there's one where it's like we want to challenge these really negative thoughts and most of it's about just thinking in a nice way there's like challenges negative thoughts so think about what's your biggest fear what's your biggest fear and i was like oh god like i think for a while it was maybe eating myself to death which sounds so extreme but it was something it was in the back of my head also they are always extreme my biggest fear is that i will like die in restitution that I will end up in poverty. That is like 100% that I'll have nothing and that there will be no safeguards.
Starting point is 00:18:49 It's like, it's never like, why would it be your biggest fear if it was like running out of rice? You know, like it's like if it's fixable then it, of course. You're not out of ricey. Oh my God, imagine. Absolutely not. Fuck, hello. You've met me, right? I've always had food for like at least three weeks.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Yeah, I'm good to go. No, no, no. Dried goods, I'm good for, please. But I was like, oh, I don't know if I don't really, they're eating myself. It's not like true anymore. So I really want to find this page. It's so funny. was like okay well i think at the moment what rings a fear for me is like i will never find love
Starting point is 00:19:18 and what that means is like because i do have love in my life can i put up my hand just want to i don't i'm just checking we're not heading down a direction where we mock anything you've written as an answer are we no no no no no i really don't want to do that i promise we're not okay i promise like it's inherently ridiculous that you have a self-compassion journal obviously how dare you and it's even mad that you brought on a podcast how dare you let's be very clear nothing i don't know that it's working until you don't need to bring it on the podcast. But sidebar, I also don't know to mock the vulnerable version of you that went on home and wrote this out with like a pen, not even a pencil, like a pen, pen.
Starting point is 00:19:52 Pen, uh, I just want to be clear. Like, I don't want to mock that guy. No, I want to, I, having a good weed. Number one, thank you so much for that. As a friend, I feel like you're looking out for me. I am not mocking this. I am mocking like, actually I am mocking the exercise, but I also am mocking it in a way that I'm like, you guys should try this because it's so accessible.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Yeah. Oh, obviously I'm like a ridiculous white woman who loves yoga, but also yoga does help me. So I don't know what to tell you. Like it does make me a happier person. This I don't think it did. So it's like, okay, so what's your biggest fear? And I was like, okay, I think mine at the moment is I will never find love. Which is, it's, what that means to me is like romantic love where it's mutual. Like I've just, because I've never been in love with someone at the same time they've been in love with me. And I feel like, I'm just not getting it. But I'm also haven't been open to it. And that's thing I'm learning to do, even though I do have loved in my. life because I've got you know family and some really lush fucking friends but you shouldn't fucking family you must not just to be clear just to be clear don't do it yeah unless a second cousin in which case have fun not a grannies not a grannies not a grannies not a grannies never no never at grandpa no here what um no obviously not I'm just having a bit of fun with it yeah um okay so you right so you right biggest there picture in your head hang on I just need to dear listener okay it's gone
Starting point is 00:21:11 ready and it goes let's get playful with your thoughts right now write down a critical or unhelpful thought
Starting point is 00:21:17 you've had recently write it down now write the thought in bubble letters oh yeah you told us about this yes that's fun
Starting point is 00:21:25 that makes it silly okay it makes it silly write it with your non-dominant hand I cannot tell you every time I've closed my eyes since then I see it
Starting point is 00:21:33 in bubble writing in a way that that's helping you or not That feels like it's That feels like spooky I don't think I want to see like You will die in destitute
Starting point is 00:21:45 In bobble riding Like it's so fucking weird Like skywriting You will be destitute It's so weird Because then all the other pages are like Oh my God Draw yourself
Starting point is 00:21:57 Like picture you being surrounded In a circle of support And it's like what's a circle of support Just like write the names of things and people that you feel support from and then write them down and then just like picture yourself surrounded by them they're always there they're always an option like such lovely things that make you feel so good like before you go to sleep at night your brain's going too fast you just sort of go like everything has always been sorted out oh i'm inside of this cocoon oh i remember these feelings like so nice then it's like write it out in a mental way oh my god that's mad that is nice everyone has to get this i think the world will be a better place i know that i won't get it but i do think people should
Starting point is 00:22:35 should get it probably if that makes any sense mainly because um do you ever worry i guess you live with senile who's like a deeply like i feel like he thinks he already knows too much about your life not that he needs to know more about your life everyone needs to know more i think i i i just can't even i know no one would but i'm just like the idea of something being there that people could read i'm like those are my thoughts in my head that nobody can see but the idea that someone might find it if i die or or that my somebody might read it while i'm out the house i think think um oh yeah i hadn't thought about that oh sorry i obviously don't put it in bubble writing i don't want someone to read it but i think i would just write burn what burn on death or something
Starting point is 00:23:18 i don't think i think it's more um yeah maybe but yeah actually katherine yeah yeah burn on death yeah yeah oh no oh my god also i know you're laughing okay there's another notepad as well yeah go on like a small black one yeah and it looks like it's just got loads of gigs in it it's got some really dark thoughts from like circa 2016. Okay, and laptop I can only assume. Yeah, fucking... I'll pick it up with gloves.
Starting point is 00:23:44 No, you can't buy that. A kid might need it. Give it to a dyslexic kid. I'm not giving it to a dyslexic kid. Wipe it and give it to a sexic kid. No. My uncle Jerry wipes laptops, okay? So if you want, you send it to him,
Starting point is 00:23:54 okay, he's in Didcar. To your uncle, you want your uncle to see that. He's good with tech. He loves it. No, no, you weren't see it. It's on, I use incognito mode. Oh, well done. Does that mean anything?
Starting point is 00:24:03 I don't know. No, I'm not either. I don't know. Oh, God. Oh, God. I know. What about the things I typed into Porn Hub where it said no results? Okay. Yeah, so great. Listen, pop it in the Compassion Journal. This is another one I think you might like.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Go on. Do you have time for this? Do we have time for that? We're on a podcast together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, actually this whole thing is just you and me, though. I know. I was joking about at the beginning, but like finding your compassionate voice.
Starting point is 00:24:29 So you taught to yourself in a nice way instead of being like, you piece of shit, you don't deserve that. And then it's like, oh, like, it's so hard. hard to like think about your voice and like not find it like a sarcastic voice or a voice where you're like pretending to be someone else you're trying to think of like give an example of somebody's been compassionate to you and I'm like I don't want to have their voice but then they're like okay well let's start thinking about these thoughts in a different way and they've got this lovely bit and it's sort of like this you go through exercises but basically what it is is that like these compassionate thoughts where you're like I deserve to have a lovely meal I deserve to
Starting point is 00:25:04 have my friends treat me nicely I deserve to you can think of them as little seeds and you water them with thoughts isn't that so nice okay I found that very much what I love about your brain is that like it's so receptive to learning you're so like
Starting point is 00:25:19 you're such an autodidact and you are so responsive to new information that you are I think actually a brilliant person to have therapy and to self-therapies because I think that you are like fascinating how can I apply this to my life I'm like that's an interesting thought anyway back to my problems I'm like mm okay like but I want you to water your
Starting point is 00:25:45 compassionate thought of how beautiful you are I try I try but let's just water that I think I am sort of less concerned about doing that weirdly in my own journey and more concerned about like neutrality and the value of me beyond that like I think I've tried the watering of the plant of like of the vaults or whatever what am I planting what are my watering I'm not sure but I've tried the and I think it my life functions better and myself worth functions better when I completely deprioritise my looks in terms of their value not in terms of taking care of myself because I don't win that battle like I just lose that battle every time so the more neutral I can make is a better and also because those things will keep changing right
Starting point is 00:26:29 that's not a compassionate thought to think that I always lose that battle Oh no no no like as in like I don't As in like I think you can only lose Because that's always changing right Like you if you have a brain that is like disordered towards that I think for me It's more compassionate to be like
Starting point is 00:26:47 My body is going to change loads Like I don't it's going to change up and down And it's going to get constantly older And I don't necessarily need to like Think I'm beautiful And actually but you're so fuckable oh my god that I know
Starting point is 00:27:03 I know that I know that I know that and I do know that and I have had a lot of people have sex with me so I know that but I just mean
Starting point is 00:27:11 and spray not spray squirt damn it Helen sorry Catherine no no you've got to get that right please work on that
Starting point is 00:27:19 as many times you need to practice say squirt Catherine that sounds compassionate squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt
Starting point is 00:27:24 I just think everybody's on but I just think actually like my whole life my looks of prioritised in lots of different ways and I actually think it's so much better for me to be like what is my value outside of that and we're going to water that value yeah because I think that
Starting point is 00:27:39 can't go away from me putting on 12 pounds do you mean like it's not it's a less movable feast and I think that's a good thing that's the sunflower seed of that thought Catherine and we've just planted that of all your other values and over the next couple of weeks all of us here in this room are going to help Catherine with watering it. Oh no. I love you also. How mentally am I right now? I love you so much but I don't really think of the podcast team as my therapeutic support. Really? Yeah. I thank you. Many shout out to tech but it's um for me that's more of like a personal journey. So I come in here. Yeah. Very definitely. I know. And I see this as a mental health team. I know. And the listeners are part of the group. I really know. That's become increasingly apparent.
Starting point is 00:28:26 But it is group. Trustee Hoggs is group. Oh my God, it's group therapy. Oh my God, we don't have license. Yeah, no. And to be clear,
Starting point is 00:28:35 it's not. I want to be clear, it's not. No, it is. Oh, my God, we've been running it. We give out advice. No, we,
Starting point is 00:28:40 I think we've been giving like friend vibes. Like, it's been like a friend hang. Like, people come here to be friended and to be befriended and to be befriended and to feel like they're less alone, but not to have therapy. I don't think anyone's actually tuning in thinking
Starting point is 00:28:52 this will help. Catherine, with Jody and that Ruby Frankie. We're not Jody. We're not. Think about it. No, we're really not.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Oh my God. I don't think we are. I think we're offering like madness to quiet in what is probably a loud voice of critical thinking. Shout out to our listeners
Starting point is 00:29:13 and if there are anything like us. And we're like a fun distraction. I think we're max a fun distraction and probably in most cases just a bit of a cheery background noise, a bit of a less of loneliness. I don't think anyone thinks like these girls are doing
Starting point is 00:29:26 well medically I should follow their example I don't think anyone's thinking that but I've got a self-compassion journal yes but when everyone shouts ever anyone shouts their favorite episode at me it's like about you pissing yourself or shitting yourself that was unfortunate last week me not being able to go to the toilet because I've been hospital like you know like I don't think anyone's here like yeah I'm they're nail in it could we be a toilet slash mental health oh we're a toilet pod for sure we are 100p in the toilet space but I don't think anyone thinks of us is in the therapy space. I'm sorry that you've done a toilet podcast. I know that would have been your greatest. It wasn't my intention. I know. But, um, sometimes what you need finds you. And that's
Starting point is 00:30:07 okay. You feel like you needed it? I think we needed it. Do you need to go poo-poo right now? Please, I hate you. I hate you so much. I hated that. I hated it. Em, do we have a problem? Yes. Thank fuck. I was genuinely thinking about that issue for you yesterday while I was on my run. I was just on a run and I was like, imagine doing this. And it's just a fight. k not a half marathon imagine doing this without home being to the toilet in six weeks yeah i know if i'm being honest i think about every time i run yeah half a marathon it was so hellish i was so physically uncomfortable um we both ran a 5k yesterday what time did you run yours that's so funny because i was going to phone you off and be like do you want to run together sorry helen em you should have i would have loved that well we can do it again i was trying to work out i'm quite slow post um flu okay but i mean i'm just slow the whole time okay great oh my god i'll come please please No, I don't live close to you guys. Also, I have a bike.
Starting point is 00:30:59 You could also cycle if you didn't want to run. No. I've got on a walkie. It would be so nice if Ellen's cycle alongside us like our coach. Wouldn't that be nice? Actually. We would go so fast.
Starting point is 00:31:10 We'd get you a whistle. Actually, I would travel for that. Yeah, that'd be wicked. Okay, actually, yeah. You could throw those jelly beans at us into our mouths. No, people were doing that. Does that not make you inherently terrified? What?
Starting point is 00:31:24 Just people catching sweets in them. mouth that they're going to choke to death. Oh yeah. Also I don't have the hand I cordon. I don't have the mouth eye cordon. I'd never catch it as my point. But yes, I do worry about it. I do. Hand to why? I'm at mouth. All right. Talk to us. Okay. So this is from Jay. Hi, Jay. Um, I have a dilemma and would really appreciate your advice. Well, dilemma is catching from Kyle. Can we change the word dilemma to a Nelly and a Kelly? Me and my cousin used to call that because he did that song together dilemma. And we'd be like, I'm having a Nellie and a Kelly. And that went, I'm having a dilemma. Well, I think we should keep in the explanation instead
Starting point is 00:31:56 because I don't think anybody else would know what's going on. Oh yeah. But we will now call it an Nelly and Kelly, but prior to you, like, had you done so without explanation, I would not know what you're talking about. But my cousin Sophie, who lessons would be like,
Starting point is 00:32:09 oh my God, yay. And I like to think she's not the only one who listens. Oh, yeah. Sorry everyone else. No, no, no, no. But hi, Sophie. See you at lunch next week. Oh, not invited.
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Starting point is 00:32:47 at Whole Foods Market, in store and online. So Jay is 29-year-old. old female and their partner is 27 year old female early last year my partner went through my phone and diary and did not like what they saw i was feeling particularly low in that period having felt unappreciated at work home and in my relationship and i'm really sorry to interrupt and this is not the point and we will get to the seriousness of this but like spooky co-winketing with what we just talked about that is exactly what i was just thinking it's called a theme okay sorry go on it's kind of confirming all my worst fears about writing any of my feelings now yeah me too but can you just so they were feeling what way at work at how they were feeling unappreciated low that kind of vibe um because of this i was writing some
Starting point is 00:33:31 pretty dark stuff that included fantasizing about happier times with my ex uh i know that sounds horrible and horrible for someone to read but that chapter of my life was closed and has been for years i've not spoken to this ex in five years the only reason i wrote about her was because that was the healthiest kindness most loving relationship i'd ever had and the happiest i'd ever been it wasn't to compare my partner to my ex or wishes to be her instead or anything like that at all as grim as it sounds i actually actually just wanted to remember what i felt when i was truly happy since the incident we have had regular couple therapy sessions to improve our communication and rebuild lost trust while it has improved we both acknowledge
Starting point is 00:34:12 that the trust is still not there i'm emotionally drained feeling forced to talk about every emotion that either of us has I miss writing in my diary we both love each other a lot but I'm now questioning if I should be in this relationship should I leave it or stick it out oh god I just think trust is so hard to get back once
Starting point is 00:34:34 it's broken hello I don't know how honest to be I feel like you're honest I feel like one I think it's incredibly incredibly it's not like
Starting point is 00:34:51 okay trust is important but it's also like why was she going through your phone and your diary like it's so disrespectful it's so entitled it's so invasive and I mean like disrespectful because I think you should be able to respect that your partner
Starting point is 00:35:07 is entitled to privacy I think incredibly like invasive obviously but entitled because like there's presumption that she is entitled to own your every thought or know your every thought like relationships are the act of giving of ourselves in like the proportion that you want to and receiving and like holding but they're not like ownership and I think that's really fucked up and I think like it's great that you're going to therapy and probably maybe there are reasons why she felt
Starting point is 00:35:36 that was necessary but I just think like if it's if her position is anything other than like that was a terrible mistake that I did for these understandable reasons but that was a terrible mistake I'd be like yikes but also I don't know I just feel like even the fact of you having to justify why you were writing about when you were happier like I think it's a problem that you describe your relationship as the like most fulfilling happiest relationship I've ever been and when it's not the one you're in that would indicate that you shouldn't be in the relationship that you're in but separately like you shouldn't have to tell us why you're like people have awful thoughts all the time and need to work through things in different ways lots of the
Starting point is 00:36:15 like that's fine like you don't need to explain that to us and you shouldn't have to explain that to her like you're allowed to have private thought and private processing and i it's like none of our business and none of her business why you would be doing that but i do think to me yes the the the trust being broken is a big is a big problem but i think and the like feeling of being exhausted rather then happier after all of that emotional work with a therapist is probably not great, although it can be exhausting doing the work. But I think for me, the biggest indicators that you're, like, referring to that pastime is maybe, like, the last time you were happy or fulfilled makes me be like,
Starting point is 00:36:56 this probably, like, you probably deserve a different relationship. And maybe, and like, honestly, it sounds like so does your partner, like, there's, she maybe has some work to do on insecurity, but also, like, maybe neither of you are happy. I just think it's okay if you do end it I think basically the question is like should I end it like if you want to that's fine like if what you're feeling is guilt like you've not quit when she violated your privacy
Starting point is 00:37:22 you've tried to regain trust she broke you've gone to couple's therapy and done the work and if it's then that works like nobody can say you didn't try I think it's okay to like you're 29 that's what I was thinking of their 29 I feel like they're in year seven they're 11 years we're doing we're year 11 we're the highest you can get in the school and I'm just looking at you thinking like you're 29 you've got like you shouldn't be in a relationship with someone
Starting point is 00:37:50 that goes through your stuff and reads your stuff and then makes you feel bad about it like you're processing stuff you're writing down I just think like you can build up a trust again but like they did that and it doesn't sound like it's yeah as your babysitter right now as your as your older babysitter i'd say leave it move on it's just like start getting your notepad start journaling again and that's just something where it's like also diaries people do make mistakes like people do read stuff but like to go through it and then punish you for like what they read and your phone as well it's phone and diary that's the thing it's given you so what's it called when someone doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt like just to be like they just
Starting point is 00:38:35 sort of go like, oh, I, you know when people go, oh, I met them, oh, they were really rude. And you're like, oh, well, you maybe just met them on a day when they weren't feeling up to it. And they're like, no, no, they're really rude. And it's like, just don't just jump to conclusions. Just like, yeah, you read that. But there's just so much more going on and then to hold someone as a bad person in your account for that. Don't we, I'm going to put this my bag right now because I'm so paranoid about leaving this self-compassional journal.
Starting point is 00:38:59 But also, sidebar, like, if you, please put that in your bag. But also, like, diaries are often for putting a thought that you like, like, I have a rational. thoughts that I don't stand by an hour later, never mind a day later, never mind a month later, but like you put those in your diary because you're like, actually like I use mine sometimes
Starting point is 00:39:13 if I ever write in one to like get rid of. I thought often it's it's OCD speaking, not me. Like, and I'm writing in my journal so I don't say it to a person whose fault it's not like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's what it's for. It's just like it's and also, but just sidebar.
Starting point is 00:39:29 It sounds to me like you're not happy and you're writing to us for permission, which you have, by the way. Yeah, the year 11 is. saying get out i'm saying like if that's what you want that's fine you've tried and also like maybe if you if you are still holding onto an idealized version of your ex probably you've painted her into a like onto a pedestal as well right like probably like she's not the perfect relationship and neither is this but you're if you're if you are hyper focusing on it then maybe
Starting point is 00:40:00 you're pedestaling it because you know this is bad um either way i think it's absolutely fine to leave and I think that she did violate your trust and there might have been reasons why she felt so insecure that perhaps you do have to be maybe you're feeling bad about and therefore you're feeling like you can't leave but you can simultaneously take ownership of why of your participation in her insecurity and recognize that maybe it's not right and you can wrap it up I think like sounds like you both be happier I'm sorry if that's harsh I don't we only have your side obviously but I still think I think and we also we don't know you unless we do in which case plot twist and message us on
Starting point is 00:40:39 i don't hang out with any 27-year-olds none yeah you do no yeah you do we've got mutual friends who are like 25 are they comedians yeah they're not my friends are my co-workers i'm so gonna text some people after this and be like catholic you'll never guess what katherine just said you'll just try to send out that like a sent to my michael they're not my friends they're my co-workers just to everyone in congress but you'll never guess what katherine boehard just said if they're 27 or below and see what we guys respond if they're 27 or below out they're my co-worker there you go we should so do that for an episode just sent out a message
Starting point is 00:41:14 from each other's life gets one acting job blows up her life I think that's so funny no but seriously come on grow up no yeah I think it's it's harsh but I also I think you're right I think you're right in because you kind of want that permission to do the breakup and I agree with Catherine I think you deserve better. I think they deserve someone who trusts them and a chance to do better in a future relationship for the other person because hopefully a lesson's learned from this
Starting point is 00:41:47 and they don't do it again. Hopefully. Yikes. I... It's hard, right? I just, and also like, they can't unsee it. I just don't know why you'd want to read your partner story. It would make me be like, I now can't unknow that.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Whenever I see something that's private or someone, else is that I don't mean to, I feel so embarrassed. Like the most common one is YouTube. You know, when people's YouTube's open on their TV. Yeah. And you're like messing around or like they show you something on their phone and you see, they type in the first letter and you see their previous searches. And it's never
Starting point is 00:42:18 anything like, but it's just sort of like, oh my God, do you watch that? I feel sick. And I feel like, hello, yours would be Christian workouts. Mine is, I know mine is wild because I've seen people's faces when they've come up and they've gone like, fuck, inhale. The word. is that it's other comedians yeah I'm like watching other people's like you know what I'm yeah sometimes I'm like oh you're a rat the worst is a rat yeah why are you watching it you're not watching it because you love it no I'm sending it as references for stuff like my friend filmed a special
Starting point is 00:42:50 and then I've just filmed two specials and I was sending it to the editor being like I really like the color grading on this I really like that like copy and pasting stuff but I'm like but then you come over and you see my thing and it's like Christian what are you doing but it's weird because then people come over and they see like fucking just names of people. I think I saw your one, Soho Theater or like you, there's definitely a clip of you that's really, no, it's you in Montreal and you're wearing a yellow dress. Oh, that's nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And I was looking at all these different clips of people to sort of like the color grade, like, but then it means people come over and they were like, oh my God, like, I've got to show you this video and it's like just a, it's just me doing stand-of-comedy. Why are you, and my own name is all, oh, that's the worst. My own name is always on there. There's one that says Helen Bauer pissing because only because he went viral on TikTok with the stairwell story.
Starting point is 00:43:46 And then people were commenting like, oh my God, like this is blown up on YouTube. And I wanted to chat. My YouTube history is genuinely just morning stretch, evening stretch, afternoon stretch, pre-run stretch, post-run stretch.
Starting point is 00:43:58 I'm getting mine up right now. Stretches for sadness, stretches for period, stretch it for shoulders, stretches for back pain, stretches for depression stretch it's like that's my entire history it's ridiculous
Starting point is 00:44:10 mine's so bad Catherine there's one man I follow ready go on trusty hogs this is the last one I said no grow up our own podcast grow with Joe 30 minutes
Starting point is 00:44:23 that's the exercise lady like doing Disney pin collection grow with Joe warm up studio jibli ambience which is like a constant go-to for me, which is like, I like the, um, I can infer what it is. Jazz cafes and stuff or like, okay, um, and then Helen Bauer and then grow with Joe
Starting point is 00:44:44 20 minutes. Then Adam Hatton, who's a Disney blogger. We know only because of you. Persepolis, you know, the graphic novel. This is so much more embarrassing than your compassion journey. Grow with Joe 10 Minutes Arms. Studio Ghibli ambience, no music. Top secret comedy club. Bethany Vinton, who's a, a Disney person. Helen Chelsea Hawks Heartstopper Olivia Coleman
Starting point is 00:45:08 I don't know what that's about It's when he comes out to his mom and it's so endearing Here we go Patrick Spicer Catherine Bohart
Starting point is 00:45:14 Bowers Bar that's me Kate Butch because I filmed something with them last week and I wanted to see their stuff Megan Markle
Starting point is 00:45:25 Oh my God That's because I watch the shot Helen Helen Helen Helen Helen I'm going to stop you You don't need to do this Sabrina Carpenter Autism? You don't need to do this.
Starting point is 00:45:34 You don't need to do this. You don't need to do this. You don't need to do this. Have you seen the Sabrina Carpenter autism? No. You don't need to do this. Can I should tell you what it is? I feel like you're in some sort of confession hole and I want you to look at me.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Take a breath because this I recognize. Look at me. Take a breath. This is honestly, possibly been caused by the Christian work ads. We haven't even got to that yet. They'll get in your veins and suddenly you're confessing to me all of your YouTube searches. I don't need to know them. Take a breath.
Starting point is 00:46:04 You're safe. How many times did I search for myself? You said it a lot. You said trusty hogs a lot. You were, yeah, it's intense. Hey, look at me. This is good. You still have so many pages
Starting point is 00:46:14 in your compassion journal to fill out. I still like every video that trusty hogs release. I'm so glad. For the algorithm. That's so sweet. It's psychotic. No, it's incredibly committed. I hope our listeners do the same.
Starting point is 00:46:23 It's so sweet. Can I tell you the Sabrina Coffton? Is it mean? No, it's just really funny. Okay, go on. It's, um, it's, it's, my the police is it mean if you're 27 and you work with me then you think of yourself as a colleague is it mean we're not friends are you being mean tell me about a woman we don't know
Starting point is 00:46:45 they're 27 year old they're not my friends they're my colleagues okay so before sabrina you know that whole group of girls were like on disney shows and Nickelodeon shows when you say that group of girl you mean Ariana Olivia Olivia yeah yeah Selena Gomez like that whole um group before they became pop stars. Emma Roberts, that's not for either. Such a good one. Sabrina Carpenter was on a show. I don't know what the name of it was.
Starting point is 00:47:11 But there's a famous scene in it, which is now gone viral. And it's like one of the characters goes to her like, they think I have autism. And her character like deadly serious stands up and goes, you don't. But it's so funny. It's like, you don't. Is you playing a doctor?
Starting point is 00:47:30 Not just the kid. And it's sort of like, I don't. think I've got cancer. No, you don't! You're so funny. And she's like deadly serious. You don't. Well, obviously I'll watch that later, obviously.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Yes, then your search history is going to be Sabrina Carpenter Autism. Then someone's going to come over at your house and hang out and they're going to see that because you're going to be typing an S for something. I never get, can I say this? I never get YouTube up when I have guests over. Why? I guess we're like chatting. You don't show people videos?
Starting point is 00:48:01 No. Ever? no oh my god half of my friends coming over mine is us just showing it to the youtube videos on tv no oh my god wait what do you do chat and have dinner the other night olivia and sam came over for dinner and they both thought that they were meant to bring dessert which it turns out is the best thing ever because then you get two desserts it was amazing so we had i made a mushroom risotto with roasted broccoli and i thought sam was bringing his side
Starting point is 00:48:31 but he thought he was bringing a dessert but then Olivia showed up with a dessert because she was meant to bring dessert which was agreed Olivia brought a very posh sticky toffee pudding and vanilla ice cream wait how does it get posh
Starting point is 00:48:42 it was from the fancy deli it was just really good very nice very delicious but what a treat kind of gingery as well is so good Sam showed up he brought two types of chocolates
Starting point is 00:48:55 yes please and what a perfect combination an entire he brought everything to make a big huge fruit platter he brought this incredible like sweet sweet sweet mango a honey mango what and then never even heard of it it was so delicious he brought a dragon fruit he brought a melon he brought grapes he brought passion fruit he cut it up we had this huge plate of fruit and then all of these desserts and sweets and it was heaven i loved it anyway what you want to do is what you want to do is
Starting point is 00:49:21 tell yeah i think so too you guys you're saying if you're coming over and be like have you seen this person they shit themselves in a jacuzzi on youtube and you're like stop googling me no but truly if the men that come to your house came to my house i'd be like absolutely fuming yeah yeah yeah yeah you would not welcome the boys that i have on my sofa no no no no not a chance that's a shame yeah they're very oily i also um m knows this because we live very near each other but i'm very like would you like to come over from three to four 30 which is my absolute dream the other day we were hanging out and katherine was like but i'm only free till this time and I was like obviously I don't want to see you for more than one out why would we do
Starting point is 00:50:04 that imagine it's so nice it's so nice it's heaven I just love it I just love I just love I hate a sort of ambiguous oh my god you do do that even for coffees because we don't go to the houses that much because we live opposite sides of London but with coffees you're like yeah but I've got to be going yeah because then you like get to the business you're like headlines let's go let's go I don't I'm quality over your need for gossip is clinical I know, I know, I fucking love it. You are sick in the head. I hate when people bury the lead.
Starting point is 00:50:34 I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? You are fucking sick. I know, I fucking love it. I am so glad that you were not alive during World War II. You know, that like busy mouse sinks, like fucking out. Chuck two Irish women in the mix. And God, you are neutral. Can I say an important distinction, though, that I've actually,
Starting point is 00:50:52 here's my growth, my personal growth lately. Would you stop clapping your hand just listen? Oh, you do, I do, ha, do, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, da, da, da, da, what's not a virgin? What do you, what do, da. Supposed, Helen thinks that I have loose lips. No, elastic-wise, vaginally, mine are longer. I'll give you that.
Starting point is 00:51:12 I've looked at yours. What's the mouth-wise? Are you making a vaginal lip joke? No, I was thinking you joke about how. No, I was thinking you joke about how you were like, I talk too much whilst genuinely on a rant. No, but can I actually say one personal insight that I have had recently? which is that I think there's an important distinction
Starting point is 00:51:32 between gossiping and bitching. Oh, for sure. Yes, but I think I had been doing too much bitching. Gossip I still love, but I think I had gotten into a place lately, maybe like a negative space where I was doing too much bitching and it was realizing like, it made me feel really bad. A, you feel guilty.
Starting point is 00:51:49 B, I think that it can put you in a headspace in quite quickly where you think that's what the world is, that like when you leave rooms, people are being mean about you. And it's quite like, it can make you quite like, I don't know, it just made me feel like I'm being really negative and I think people will have a bad impression of me and also
Starting point is 00:52:04 I wonder if people talking about it. I just think... It's also not you. It's not you. Oh, I agree but it is like such a nice thing because years ago I had a therapist say that to me which is that like often like we bitch to sort of control the sense of like
Starting point is 00:52:19 and also the sense of like where we are in a hierarchy in the world and how like it makes us feel better that other people are doing worse but also generally speaking it gets you into a paranoid way of thinking that other people are doing the same about you
Starting point is 00:52:31 and so it tends to like so then you do that narrative for them you'll like bitch to yourself about yourself in a way but the point is that gossip yes bitching no and I'd been doing too much
Starting point is 00:52:43 of the latter and so I'm just re-adjusting re-jigging and it's been good for my brain question but I still can do better yes I agree with what you're saying
Starting point is 00:52:54 but where's venting on that I think venting to a third party yeah like if I wanted to slag off like I don't know let's say okay let's say I wanted to bitch
Starting point is 00:53:08 about something in comedy but wait I think there's a difference between valid venting which is like you need to process something yeah versus like I just need to slag people off yeah I think that is probably bitching versus venting if you're walking at the same time
Starting point is 00:53:24 oh then I think it's a business meeting bitching's over like a latte yeah bitching's with wine you're right you can only really bitch with wine if you're walking and you've got trainers on it's a business meeting and you're venting you're just you're airing out grievances yeah okay I think I think it does because I think also I think not to make it too gendered but I think women have a massive problem with letting anger out and showing anger and I think partly bit bitching can come from that.
Starting point is 00:53:59 It's also like a cultural societal thing where it's sort of like seen as a thing of like if you feel safe bitching with someone and they're showing that they are safe with you instead of being like I don't want to do that. Yeah. But like to be angry is so natural
Starting point is 00:54:12 to be like fuck them. That was so mean. Yeah. Sorry. I think to be clear there's a major difference between like talking about a situation and expressing anger versus just like. Have you seen her haircut?
Starting point is 00:54:26 And also like have you like talking about like a girl from school I'm like I don't know that girl like she's nothing it's just like if I've only brought someone up to be a bitch like versus like they've actually meaningfully damaged me that's different I'll tell you after and no I won't I won't but you know what I do you know what I mean I do because I it's like yeah it's like it's different to be like this is an ongoing situation for me about which I have complex feelings and I need to talk to someone about my anger versus like literally let's go through the list of people we know just to see who we can be mean about and that's different yeah i mean yeah so just no wine by the way this might
Starting point is 00:55:02 just be a thing that you don't do but i i was noticing in myself lately too much and it was and the reason i was noticing it is that i was i was like taking like cheery evenings and kind of making them like negative and i was like oh that's interesting i'm being the poison here and i i mean i i can't pull myself one i think good for you and i think it's interesting to think of it as a poison because maybe it is a sort of thing where, and I, you know, hate to be this perfect of a podcaster, but you do need to find your compassionate voice because at the end of the day, a self-compassional journal allows you to focus on your love and appreciation of people and the people who you not love and appreciate, you let them go into the words and you lose them
Starting point is 00:55:51 and they die there and then they're never found again and no one going to. to get them because they're horrid they're horrid people because horrid people do exist do you know what I'm talking about self compassion doesn't prohibit you know what I'm talking about yeah yeah self compassion doesn't yeah self compassion doesn't prohibit um you from taking responsibility for your wrongdoing so much oh no no no I know I'm just genuinely
Starting point is 00:56:18 asking the question oh right go on like self-compassion doesn't doesn't doesn't prohibit you from like personal responsibility no not at all but I think it's that like what you're doing there I think fits in with the self-compassion as far as you're like I don't want to bring this negative chat into it I don't want to do this so it's just sort of like and I deserve to leave conversations I've had feeling nice and not feeling guilty and feeling awful and it's sort of like oh it's so awful that like your brain does go to that because you're sort of like you know part of it is probably trying to please the person in front of you being like oh we usually talk negatively about someone so I'm
Starting point is 00:56:50 going to do that because I think that's what you want because I'm doing that and I leave feeling awful And it's sort of being like, how do I go into this in a way that I can leave this feeling lovely and happy and I spend nice time with you instead of leaving it feeling like, oh, I didn't really mean that. Yeah, that's exactly right. I've got a bit in my new show about like being a people pleaser and we see it as a good thing, but it's awful. I'm fucking spineless. Like, because I want to please the person in front of me, I'll be cruel about my best friend to make that easier for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you end up feeling crap about it. And I think that's not uncommon. and there's so many components to it
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