Trusty Hogs - Ep199. ALISON SPITTLE / Emotions, Endings & Edinburgh Fringe

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

A bumper penultimate episode for you this week as we get into a full 90minutes of Hogs goodness with our first and now final ever guest: Alison Spittle! A beautiful long-form conversation including some raw and honest body chat (TW if you're not in the mood for weight stuff), a Celtic Tiger history lesson, and a lovely retrospective of 4 years of Hogs since Alison first joined us in our one-time Shoreditch studio...FOLLOW ALISON: @AlisonSpittleHOGS MERCH: www.trustyhogs.com/merchThank you so much for listening!Support us at www.patreon.com/TrustyHogs for exclusive bonus content, merch, and more!Trust us with your own problems and questions... [e-mail] give us a follow @TrustyHogs on all socialsBe sure to subscribe and rate us (unless you don’t like these little piggies - 5 Stars only!)All links: https://audioalways.lnk.to/trustyhogsSNThank you to our Patreon supporters...EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Guy Goodman / Simon Moores / Stefanie Catracchia / Oliver Jago / Anthony Conway / Neil Redmond / Angela S / Sadie Cashmore / Charlie WeemesPRODUCERS: Elle / Richard Bald / Harald van Dijk / Tim & Dom / David Walker / Rachel R / Claire Owen-Jones / Sarah & Molly / Raia Fink / Cordelia / Rachel Page / Helen A / Tina Linsey / Amy O'Riordan / Matt Sims / Luke Bright / Leah / Kate / Liz Fort / Taz / Anthony / Klo / Becky Fox / Dean Michael / Sophie Chivers / Carey Seuthe / Charley A / KC / Jam Rainbird / Tamsyne Smith-Harding / Ezra Peregrine / Bryn / Laura Pollock / Leah Overend / Steven Chicken / Hayley Singer / Dougie Robertson / Chris G / Aisling McGlinchey / Julia Rose / Paul RichardsonWith Helen Bauer (Daddy Look at Me, Live at the Apollo) & Catherine Bohart (Roast Battle, Mock the Week, 8 Out of 10 Cats)FOLLOW HELEN, CATHERINE & ANDREW...@HelenBaBauer@CatherineBohart@StandUpAndrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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So move on to Monday.com. Hello and welcome to this penultimate episode of Trusty Hoggs. I'm Catherine Bowhart. She's Helen Bower. Hello. And the fact that she's not crying already is pretty impressive, you guys. I cried this morning. That's my girl.

Did you cry this morning? No. Through the fog, step for the trusty hogs. Yeah, you're going to get. your problems and they will solve them or maybe they won't and that's your problem they'll have guests and Andrew White on the tech oh it's Helen and Catherine as the trusty hogs trust the trusty hogs or maybe not how are you yeah really unwell why do I keep like saying I'm really good to people I get it, I get it.

I didn't cry this morning, but I did go for like a weirdly fast run. So maybe that's something. Wait, what's weirdly fast? Just like I sped out my door and as in I did a 5K under 25 minutes, which I don't do. 25 minutes, love, I'll do around 15. In the car. 15KM 15 minutes. No, no, it was.

My point is it was too fast and I was uncomfortable the whole time and I was like, what am I doing? But I hear you, we both process emotions in different ways. Yeah, I too do a 5K run anytime I feel anything. And also I think I love endings and you don't like endings. Oh, there's too many endings this week for me. There's a lot of endings. What are your other endings? I, so obviously for you guys listening, this is August.

But for us, we're having to do our last episodes of Hogs before I have my operation. The ending of Hogs this week. I am ending, I am parting ways with my gallbladder, which is incredibly emotional. Yeah, we got to talk about that. Because I am very attached to her. No, I know you guys have a vibe. She's been here since March 25th, 1991. Or we, I hope.

Wait, are you born with your, I'm sorry, you have to Google that. Presumably you are born with your gold butter. I'm going to go ahead and say, yeah. Might be like a puberty thing. No, I don't think it's like tits and gallbladder come in at the same time. Did it's Gull Bader and Clit. Nope, Clit's there the whole time too, my darling. No!

Why do you think you were rubbing yourself against tables when you were a kid? Oh yeah, that's unchristian to come in that early, huh? No, I think it comes in even, I think it's in utero. I think your clits and your mom's fellow, yeah. Sorry. It does seem like you're born with a gallbladder because you can have, like, a congenital absence of a gallbladder, and that's, like, a bad thing.

But you'll be fine without yours. Yeah, but that's a lot of endings. I'd say goodbye. And then there's only two so far. No, no, there was, oh, also, I'm finishing, like, obviously, like, this was like a week and a bit ago now, but it was like, we did the rap party for the TV show and, like, saying goodbye to that, which has been, like, we did the pilot, like, two and a half years ago. That's crazy.

So it's like, and then you'll be back for season two. You'll be back for season two. And then I cut my hair. It's looking good. It looks gorgeous and similar. Like, it's not a dramatic cut, is what I mean. No. But it looks gorgeous.

And have you had the color retouched? Yes. It looks divine, but it looks like you've gone for like a maintenance cut rather than like a shock. Yeah. What shock cut do you reckon I could pull off? I don't think anyone can, usually people don't carry off shock cuts. You know what I mean?

Like I think it's worth thinking about it. But I also think you'd look fabulous anyway. Can I say something toxic? Sure. I think my shoulders are too big for a shock cut. That is toxic. I think. I think that's toxic.

I think it's toxic and I still think it. No, I know what you mean. I feel like... But like... Like, it's a lot of shoulder on that pixie. You're assuming... Do you know what I mean? Like thumballina's lifting.

First of all, I think you'd look gorge. I think lots of broad-shouldered women look amazing with short hair. Yeah, but my shoulders are different broad. Okay, this is such a unique hang-up. I can't believe we finally found one. I know. Episode 199. Helen's body positivity has been breached.

I just think if I had a pixie cart you'd be like fuck me that pixie's been working like it just doesn't feel like you know like what we'll find a toad stall she can sit on. Wow I think this really highlights are if I may difference in community and by that I mean I spend a lot of time

with short-haired lesbians with broad shoulders and it's a good thing And no one's really thinking pixie. I guess you're just like, you have a strong association with short hair and pixies, it seems. Maybe. I went to the pixie garden in Devon, a lot growing up. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And also like, like, I get it. It's called a pixie cup. But I feel like, yeah, I just feel like. Because pixies have it. Sure. I think, I just think of like broad shoulders and short hair as I think like sexy lesbian. Yeah. I just, I just don't think for me, I think that.

No, no. And I'm getting that. I think it's that it is the sexuality divine. Wait, does no one else think of an actual pixie when they hear about a pixie cut? You're talking to three lesbians. Three lesbians. Come on. Okay. Well, where do you think the name came from?

Guys, read a book. You're ignorant. You're ignorant, you're ignorant, but you're ignorant when it comes to actual matters of the world. Guess what? I actually did start reading fairy stories the other day. That's so unbranded, upsetting. I bought myself a really lovely book of Hans, Christian Anderson.

Oh, Gorge. And it was like, The Little Mermaid. It was because I read The Beauty and the Beast. Was it last year, the original, like, French fairy story. Remember that woman in, like, the 1800s? And I was like, oh, I wonder what the Little Mermaid one's like. And then it's like, it's got loads of little shorts. I read The Ugly Duckling.

That boy had a bad time. I know a really rough time. Awful. Really rough time. A horrible lesson about society, actually. Because we know the song, right? There once was an ugly duckling with feathers all stubby and brown. I've never heard it in this tone, in this accent.

In all the other birds, in so many words. Is this, do you think this is a Danish accent? What are you doing? Said quack. Get out of town. Quack. Is this a song? Get out.

Quack, quack. Is everything okay? Get out. Genuine question. Everything okay at home? Quack, get out of town. So we went with a quack and a waddle and a quack and a very unhappy frown. Flurry of Ida down.

Flurry of unhappy frown, flurry of Ida down. All through the winter, something, something. But then you read the book, they were all horrible to the ugly duckling. Yes, indeed. All of them. Sorry, have you just read, okay, yeah. Like, I mean, maybe I don't know the song. But like his mum's not very kind.

His siblings are horrible. It's a horrible end up the hen is unkind, the people not nice, the first one he meet, nor nice. And then he's alone for a full winter, just by himself. And at this point, he's still, well, he's a signet, but he thinks he's a duckling. I know, it's tough. That's horrible. It's really tough stuff. Make myself so emotional.

And I'm there reading it. And it's like, it's beautiful this book. So your operations on Thursday. Are you worried about that, maybe? Do you think maybe you're worried about that or do you? Yeah, maybe. I'm just emotional. Are you crying?

No. Okay. He didn't know he was a swan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I got that. I read it as a child. The fittest swan.

There's even a line in it where they go, we saw him, we were like, you are more attractive than the other swans. You are. And then one of those ones goes, he's so young. It's a nice happy ending. It turns out that he's young and beautiful, which is what everyone should want to be. Yeah.

Yeah. I'd love to read part two where it goes back to everyone and goes, fuck you. Fuck you. You said I'll never amount to nothing. Now I run this party. It's so northern. It's fascinating. I didn't sleep last night.

I had anxiety. Okay. Is that clear? Yes. Something's going on for sure. Let's be clear that something is happening. but what is it? I don't, I just, I just, I just,

I've got, like, honestly, I've got three days. No, read me another childhood story. Yes, honestly, please, Jesus, let's do honestly. Do you know the real little mermaid? Do you know the real little mermaid? No, no, no, please, please tell me what's actually what you're... She dies.

Helen, she turns into sea foam. Helen, what is the feeling underneath the weird story tale? I have three days to like wrap every... everything up before the operation and then I've got to rest and then I'm feeling in fact this is my therapist everyone has like they're like oh but you can do this and like advice on like what I can eat and what I can't eat and I'm just like shut the fuck up you don't know yes like I don't know like no one knows everyone's body reacts slightly differently to having their gallbladder out okay so first of all who is everyone people

people on the internet people in your life not people on the internet people in my life because like whenever i'm out about right i'm eating differently and i'm not a moron i'm aware i look different as well and then people go like oh like are you like um what what are you having because it's like i'm always eating something like more like quote-unquote like i'm not joining in with everyone else i'm having something slightly separate that's like zero fat high fiber and then they go like oh yeah but afterwards you can do that oh no no actually afterwards you shouldn't eat anything like that you shouldn't eat blah blah and it's just I will be doing what I will be doing

and yes, that might not be great at some times but it's going to happen either way. You actually don't need to justify yourself. But I feel like I've got two days left to stay to keep as close to this diet as possible but I've also got to like, I don't know, it's very emotional. Ending this podcast starting a new podcast. Okay, whoa, whoa, so many things.

Let's back up a second. The Little Mermaids. Mermaids live for 200. A hundred years. No, but I think what you're saying something that's really important to acknowledge, which is that, like, as a woman, if your body changes, people comment on that. And then you feel, I don't know what you feel, but I feel this weird duty to keep it the same way, because what they've said is, it's better with their, like, implication.

And then you feel like it was bad before, and also you feel incredibly absurd. and you feel like some sort of judgment and also some sort of implicit policing that makes me go the other way and usually binge. And I'm just saying if you feel any of those things, that's so shit. And it's so tedious that even in 2025

people still haven't got the message that it's on their fucking business. It's when you hear people's voices that they're like, oh good, so you've decided them to sort that out, have you? Yeah. And they're not saying that. and I'm and some of it is a hundred percent some of it is projection from me but sometimes it feels a bit like oh good

because we were all we were thinking actually and that's good you've knuckled down and got on with that because that was getting a bit you know and it's a thing of being like this we don't know how temporary or permanentness is like I that's true of all of our bodies I think people just will not don't are so scared of that fact right

is that like our everything about our body is temporary everything about like our health is temporary we don't know and people that's really really scary and but I'm sorry that you're getting so much feedback on it but I'm also not surprised at all yeah me neither I'm not surprised and also some people have been great what does good look like what what would you hope people would behave like oh my god I ran into Jack Barry yesterday on the street no honestly Shout out to Jack Barry, but not who I thought you were going to say. I love Jack Barry. I literally ran into him on the streaks.

We live really close to each other. And he was like, hey, and I knew he was going to the pub. I was filming in a pub yesterday. And then he was doing a gig there in the evening with Acaster. And I text Acaster being like, oh, my God, I'm at the pub. Like, do you guys want to have a drink after your previews tonight? And I went, oh, actually, I'm not drinking at the moment, but do you want to just like have a softie? And then was like, okay, like, let's do that.

and then I ran into Jack and I was like oh my God I just messaged James we didn't meet up in the end because I was like I'm going to go home and then you got to do a pre it was the whole thing and then Jack was like oh well maybe we could come meet you later for a drink and I went yeah oh I'm actually not really drinking at the moment he was like I was going to say you're looking great are you not drinking at the moment and I went no I'm really ill and he went ah ha ha that's awful and I loved it so that's good it was so funny

interesting but it doesn't seem neutral right it's still like a that you look great no I did look good I had hair and makeup done and wearing a dress okay fine fine fine fine fine I looked incredible fine fine fine fine fine and he was like oh you're really good and I was like I'm really ill he went oh that's bad like he just immediately acknowledged that okay great great instead of being like oh no I'm not saying like I'm saying you look good but not in like I'm not doing that because like I'm just saying you look really healthy I guess and it's just sort of but then I can ruin people at the moment because I go, my liver's swollen and I've got gallstones and they feel so

bad. They feel like dicks. And then I hold eye contact with them. Good for you. It is tricky though, right? Because like, I'm going to die. Yeah. It's tricky also because you don't want to like, you don't want to superimpose your own judge. I'm trying to do this thing at the moment where I don't assume.

So often I will go into settings and I'll be like, or leave settings and be like, they probably think this. And they've not said anything to that. I just, I just transpose my own internal judge to person external. I'll go like, I'll give them a voice that is not theirs and that they haven't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like sometimes like, oh, what are you having is like interest.

People are nosy or people are like, I want one of that. Or they're like, like food. So, but I think you're right. I think like it's just the constant commentary and probably the extreme reassertion or like reminder that you. our bodies are under observation it feels like people are observing us and you just sometimes want to be like please stop looking at me I know but then

this is when it gets complicated is it sometimes I'm like someone fucking notice I've got a nice new top on and I've moisturised and I've got makeup on so people should be like why you look really creamed I know no people cannot win with me no no I that's one day you'll say you'll look amazing and I'll go I feel it and then the next day you say you'll say you look amazing and I go, what's that supposed to mean?

What's that supposed to mean? That's okay. I think that's, it's really complicated. I, that's okay. I'm also a toxic person and I'm aware of that. If you told me you look amazing, I'd be like, thank you so much. But if my mum said, you look great, I'd be like, right, Anne, here we fucking go. Yeah.

What are you saying? Interesting. What are you fucking saying? Because for me, this feels like something you wanted to say when I was 13, but you didn't want to say it then. So I're going to say it now. And it's all comfortable with food. it's the same thing when I was a teenager

when I was hormonal and I would be so nice to my teachers at school and I'd come home and just be a fucking bitch Okay, I don't know that this is time to like shit on baby Helen who was having a slightly confused time and was probably a hormonal teen But I would like to just go back to another thing you said

If that's all right Which is this idea that you have to get everything Wrapped up by Thursday At 8am when I meet Emma Black I just want to pause you there for a second if I can Only because again I'm like seeing myself in this which is like I have to get everything perfect by

this time because of but like what do you actually have to get wrapped up per se this is a good this is a good ticking off but it also feels very emotional to record the last two episodes of trusty hogs yeah what do I actually need to do

yeah but like this this will get done we're doing it I have um to we've done new podcast promo stuff I have done my last therapy session I have done

I've got two meetings tomorrow one with America Wow with the whole country and with with America That's amazing with an American Me Donald Trump Dakota Johnson Figuring it out

One of them will agent one of them will manage Yes Okay great I love that I think she should manage He should agent also I have that's my that's my vote agree I just think forward planning she's got a really good sense of brand and deal wise I think he'd really he'd really fight for you art of the deal that is you know cool that's my that's my two cents

actually it is just those two meetings tomorrow and and there's no water at my flat between 9 a.m and 3 p.m. tomorrow mm-hmm okay that's fine and wait for this but these aren't things to do these are just like okay yeah I've made it worse my head. That's okay though. Damn it. No, no, no, that's okay. That's so normal. But cool to check and be like, oh, actually, I've done it all. I know, Catherine, but I wanted to like, I wanted you to be like, what do you actually need to do? And then for me to be like actually loads and then rattle off a list of like 20 things. But thank goodness it's not. That's true. But also I totally understand that like you cannot control what happens on Thursday and you can't control how your body's

going to react and you can't control what you're going to feel afterwards and you can't predicted or know it and we love to be able to control things yes but life is full of unknowables unfortunately god damn it's so tedious but it feels like totally a list makes total sense to me of like there's lots of things to do because we'd like there to be because then you could manage those at least and feel in more control when actually get my mailbox key cut that's on my list right and that seems super important and essential to your gold bladder operation for sure but i wonder if i wonder if I want to do a post on Instagram about Edinburgh. And you must and should.

Again, I think that'll help you up. But I'm wondering if any of this is like... Food shopping. I'm going to do a food shop tomorrow. That actually is a thing that you should do. Do you reckon off it in between my one meeting at 10.30 and my other meeting at 6.30? I don't know.

I'm a bit worried for you. But I reckon you might. But I wonder if are you, the thing that struck me that you said in all of that, which is like you said it just like I say it, which is you said, did you hear yourself? You said, I have. after rest like that's stressful though i know i find it stressful too but i wonder if all of this is like fear of of rest yeah of course i'm so worried that i'm gonna like really struggle with all that time to like sit and um just hurt do you know what i mean yeah and sleep and also like i'm

not super comfortable with like everyone's like you're going to get the best drugs. I'm like I'm fully aware I'm going to get the best drugs but I'm also like who are you talking to about this operation? Zofia. Genuine question like who are you talking to? So far it's been like people being like

the thin police and also people being and people who are like you get high. Honestly, do you know I'm talking to mainly? Katie Wicks. I don't believe Katie Wicks is saying any of this. I have voice no. Her feedback cannot just be you're going to stay in and get super high.

not. It's not a... Oh, interestingly, by the way, I said this to Katie Wicks. So I think she'll be fine with me saying it on the podcast. I think post-op, she is sounding more Welsh. So I wonder if that'll happen to you. That'll be so good for me. I love the Welsh. Something to think about... I think that could be a real pro here. But what I was trying to say...

And I know we hate to do serious on the podcast, but what I was trying to say is, I think rather than thinking of it as resting... Because I'm personally taking a little bit of time not gigging so much. and it's so uncomfortable but I wonder if instead of resting you think of it as

what it actually is which is healing you are healing no no not like in a like woo-woo way like you actually you actually have to heal your body needs to totally I've got a couple of mantras evening even oh no no I said not woo-woo and then you said yes I have mantras know me and my therapist worked on some mantras

and that's amazing but like I'm just saying you're not like it's not like you're just like chill in you're you have to heal I have to heal and there's also a lovely way of looking at it, which is the impatience with the healing is because I really want to get to Edinburgh and do my show. That's fun. There is no part of me that doesn't want to do Edinburgh. So it's like, it's not like, oh, like, oh, it's okay. Like, I definitely want to fast track this process, but the best way to fast track it is to stay as still as possible.

And even that, you don't have fast track it. You just, you can't make it. You can't make it. You can't it worse but you can't fast it'll just be what it is yeah but unfortunately you're not a comedy robot you're a person with a body i'm gonna buy a new puzzle i think now that's a good idea now that would you do it with me when you come over i'd love to also i have a lot of television recommendations for you i think i might do vanderpump rules love that i've never done it love that for you also there's an irish comedy on i tv called the dry have you oh my god breed was telling me about this yes it sounds incredible loving it loving it loving it she moves back to her hometown after getting sober?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Big move. It's really good. Also, my sweet friend, Adam John Richardson's in it. He was in the show

that I was just in and he's so good. Shout out Adam John Richardson. I haven't met you yet, but I cannot wait. He's got the bluest of eyes. Does he live in London? Yes.

Let's hang. Where does he live? Nope. And that's where it stops. But I think also, what else did I watch? Have you watched too much? The new Lena Dunham?

Remind me. No. Oh, you're fine. You've got a lot like. I know this name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to watch it. You're fine.

You've got so much to watch. I did watch the Lewis Capaldi documentary the other day. Well, I don't think I could handle that emotionally right now, but was it beautiful. Of course it was beautiful. Of course it was beautiful. But I just even, I watched the TikTok or like YouTube videos of him coming out on stage for like in two years ago and then out again this year. And that was enough to send me over the fucking edge. Me too.

It's so powerful. It's so powerful. So I was like, I don't think I can do this right now. There's so many good things to watch. There's a lot to watch. There's a lot to watch. Have you decided, by the way, if you're coming to fringe or not? I'm not.

Definitely not. No. Fair. I've decided. I knew you were toying with it for birthday. I'm doing my radio show. Well, no, on my actual birthday, I'll be recording my radio show. Heaven forbid I'd be doing anything other than comedy on my birthday.

Nope. But yes, I, well, no, because that's just, it records on Thursdays. It's on a Thursday. But that on weekend, I'm going to Canada to see Ellen. And I have my radio show every week for six weeks And I just feel like I'm trying to tell myself when I'm doing enough And it's okay, I'm doing enough

That's so healthy I know Are you excited to start the radio show again? I actually can't wait Is it the same team as the same people The Neil is doing it every week I'm so excited Madeline who's the most amazing

My phone's on loud You never leave your phone on No Catherine was unprofessional Sorry sorry sorry right it down Catherine was unprofessional

episode 199 243 p.m. I'm so sorry everyone what an absolute nightmare that was bad

uh oh that was also such a cool text to get though it was just my friend who went for an interview who we've been talking

about the person who's been interviewing him who could interview him for a week because this interview has been coming for so long and you know

when you like build a character of the person who might interview you anyway he went in and it turned ed the guy was really hot

so that's exciting it's just a fun twist. It's a fun twist. Then you can answer questions whilst flirting. I guess I'll find out what the vibe was later. So they say, like what's the best thing you could bring to the office and you go, my large labia lips. And both of the people involved are men.

Okay. My humongous. My humongous labia lip. My dong. My singular labilip. Oh, sorry. That was as, oh, sorry. Yeah. Sorry, Bob. That would guys do. So neither of us have been in an interview in a while. They chose.

hey speaking of um labia lips should we get some more on the pod oh my god we should let's bring on another pair I assume that's how I hear him coming down the door here they come is this how you introduce people it was our first ever guest she was our first ever guest and she will be our last what a beautiful it's the circle of life Helen

I can't believe I'm the one saying that not you also today I was advertised for the 70th anniversary of the Disney of Disneyland in California yet and I was like, my phone needs to stop listening to me and it specifically needs to stop listening to Helen because I am not a Disney adult. But more importantly, please, stop looking at me like that. Please, welcome to the podcast. Alison Spittal. When I bought my last car, I felt totally overwhelmed. Is this the right price? Can I trust this listing? But this time around, I used car gurus and honestly, it changed everything. With over four

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Just to check, obviously Alison's with this now, are we all doing the Irish accent right now? Are we just going to be doing our own? Yeah, you start, we'll follow. Just to check, are we all doing it? Yeah, yeah. Off you pop. We'll do yours, go on.

When do you do the accent you did at the famine section of the Irish Wax Museum? When do we hear that? I always forget you were there with me when I went to the famine section. She caught Pokemon at the actual famine memorial. Yeah. I, there's no... You were both that. It was beautiful.

It was like... It's repugnant. I also fed Pokemon. That too. I am such a bad Irish person. I'm very much like, demean us, please. Tell us what we're like.

I don't think that makes you an Irish, a bad Irish person. I feel like that's like the real split, but there's only two types and one of like, fuck you. And the other's like, go on, make us feel real small. Genuinely.

One is like kneecap and the other is elbow. I see a kneecap. And I don't know what elbow is. Oh, I'm being a joke. I was being a joke. Oh, right. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was a band. I did.

They're both bands. Oh, they are. Wait, what? I had the spirit of a clown within that came out. Wait, can you explain that? Hi. Hi, Alison's visual. Welcome to the podcast.

Could you please explain your joke to Helen? Well, inside, uh, well, like a kneecapper and Irish band. And they rap. They rap. Yeah. And they're very, they're very, they're very pro Ireland. You know, it's great. I was outside the court.

when yeah it was pretty good it was really good fun it was great to go to a protest at 9am because you can get the rest of your day is fine I went for breakfast after a bit of brunch Is it like when you've gone to the gym earlier Like you've got like protest endorphins Genuinely I had massive endorsements

Did you have a Republican high? What is that? Yeah yeah that's sweet Republican high Then I went to the Royal Academy after And I was like look at all of this shite You know it was whole It was great It was a great day, really hot as well and great music, great vibes.

That's really nice. Yeah. It's very nice to be here in your new studio. Can you believe you are our first ever guest and now you're a last ever guest? I know. I know. You have to be the only guest that's been to every studio

because you were the first two episodes. Yeah. When we were in short it. I had septicemia in one of your studios. The last time I was done. That was not the last time you were. Was it the last time you were? I think it was.

It was. That was the sepsis episode. yeah but you didn't know right i didn't know i was like i neither did i can i be very clear i didn't know that alison was dying either we thought her leg hurt yeah i just thought i broke my leg and i was like that's not enough to cancel a podcast for which it was i know that's insane the irish work ethic is a little out of hand it's crazy yeah i'll just hop to the doctor afters and i mean hop i did yeah thank you to our patrons i used um some of their patron money to pay for an uber to take Alice into hospital.

I did. I took it well, yeah. Yeah, it was great. You were very unwell. I was. I was very unwell. And, yeah, I was.

It was very unwell. I had this thing called, like, cellia, like, I'll show you my leg. Will I show you my leg? Yeah, 100%. Okay, wait.

We want to see your leg. I'll hold, I'll hold the skirt down. Okay, actually, don't even have to. See that? Oh, my gosh. There's, like, still two holes in my leg there. And that tattoo is the tattoo

is the tattoo of a car. I gave a wank to a guy in. That's nice. That's nice. Nice to keep the mems. It's nice to have them all on the one calf is lovely. Do you know what I mean? That's gorgeous.

The two worst things has ever happened to be on the calf of my leg. It's like, it's like memento. I look at the calf of my leg and I'm like, you got to stop hand shopping guys for lips. And also please keep taking antibiotics and like legacies. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. And next time my leg really hurts and I can't breathe properly and I'm really sick. Do not do a podcast with health.

genuinely this leg is a leg of knowledge it's beautiful it's your legacy it is a I got that one the spirit of I love it and is that a band as well Alison's official I've been so excited to have you here

because I am desperate to talk about your new show genuinely because I think it's going to be I'm sorry to put pressure on you but I do think it's going to be a really special moment of the fringe this year and if you haven't already got your tickets you should and I'll think probably at this point it's going to be too late because it's going to be sold out because it's going to be the talk of the town

But hear me out, I saw it two years ago almost at MacFest. Yeah. And, well, several things happened at that show. One, you were brilliant. Two, I, along with the rest of the audience, found it very emotional. Okay. Three, unlike the rest of the audience, I was allowed to, I guess I got to hang back and hang out with you afterwards. But I could tell everybody wanted to.

But I also could tell people were like queuing up to trauma dump at you. And I was like, I'm desperate to know what the show looks like now. Yeah. Do you want to tell us about it? Yeah, I will. Love. Yeah. So the show is called, it used to be, I wanted to call it fat bitch. We were very sad when you couldn't do that. I know. Why couldn't you? Well, the Edinburgh Council and out of hand were like, we can't put a swear word on the, we can't even, can't even do B, asterix, asterisk.

Like for the posters for the street. Yeah. So it would just look like, it would just look like it just says fat, which is like, I don't know why. I found, I find the single word fat more offensive. Call me a fat cunt over. I don't know why. Call me a fat. I'll roll over and let you scratch my belly. Absolutely. Well, because fat bitch and fat cunt seem to have a wimsy.

They have like a wimsy. You call me a fat cunt. You're in my cunt. It's whimsy. Which? I know, I just tried something I regret it. The dispirate of whimsy is going to you. I said, I said, call me a fat cunt and you're in my cunt, but I shouldn't have.

And I'd like to apologize to all in the room. Oh, it was beautiful. Andrew M. Zofia, Catherine, Alison, listener at home. Babes, you're fucking wonderful. You're both fucking wonderful. You're nice. It's all good, yeah. But they couldn't ultimately put bitch in huge capital letters on a massive poster

on the street in Edinburgh. Yeah, so weird. Big now. Which, why am I saying it like that like I'm disappointed? I think big is great. Yeah, big is like, and I got a poster and I made my own dress and stuff. I was shower loose. I actually can't believe you made that dress because you look.

Sorry, I think it's the nicest poster that's ever gone. to the fringe. And I think you look exceptional. No, I actually do. It's like a piece of art. It's so beautiful. She's obsessed with you, Alison. I love that. But tell us about your show. I respect her opinion as well. Yes. It's not that way. I told you I loved it. I love it. I love it. Yeah, that's okay. But when Catherine, Sandra. But it's such a special show. When mother, when mother's dead. But it's such a special show when I've never seen anything like it. So tell the audience about it. So I think they'll want to go. So it's actually kind of inspired. By, well, the same day that I did the podcast, it was the day that I went to A&E.

And it kind of, it's about me going to A&E, finding out that I have like this skin infection that's turned into sepsemia. And they, so basically, it was kind of like me spending a week in the hospital, kind of like stealing myself up ready for someone to tell me to lose weight. I know it's really fucked up. I think medical fat phobia is a sort of given that you have. to unfortunately like we're not surprised by but it's yeah you do probably have to like fucking prep yourself to be told oh absolutely like i remember i went into aene when i was eight

and i slammed my fingers in a car door by accident and the doctor took a look at the hand and said you need to lose weight and i was like if an if in doctor like the weight is helped i've created my own cushy egg here you know this air these are like fat airbags you know i've never broken a bone in my life even even when i yeah delighted it's a special kind of math isn't it that Like you have a headache and you're vomiting. Have you considered being sinner? And you're like, how did you get there? Yes.

Anyway, fine. And that's the thing. So like, so basically, like cellulitis is not caused by being fat, but being fat can be a risk factor. That's what it. So it's a, it's a big difference that I still quite haven't got the hang of. But someone told me after a show, it's fat boic to say that cellulitis is caused by being fat.

but it's a risk factor fine and then i found out was pre-diabetic and i got sleep happening as well which is like these conditions are the holy trinity of like fucking around and finding out they're all like they're all fine and it's this weird thing of like i don't know about you but like when you get sick i have this i have this fear that like i never want to get sick again but there's also this part of me that goes i have family that are sick all the time and they're fine like there's this weird kind of, I don't know what it is. I just, I think it's the, it's that feeling of like, I was bedbound for like over a week and couldn't go to the toilet unaided or

anything like that. Couldn't even go to the custer in the hospital. I couldn't. You were like, you kept friending to send over Sunil and stuff. You're like, we are so close. We are so near this hospital. I love that Alison just said couldn't go to the bathroom when Iaded and you're like, and you couldn't even get a hot chucky.

I know. You need that when you're in hospital. for a week. Sometimes at the same time. You know? Yeah. Ideally. You're like a my baby

all gone. Brown going in. Sorry. I liked it. Never apologize. Always toilet talk. So it's like it's so weird because like I love doing stand up and I love doing stand up

about stuff that I find hard to talk about. And like it's like I trust you. You're my friends and I really like this podcast anyway. And now that I'm promoting the show like I've had to do stuff where like they go they basically I had to make an effort to lose weight and I tried to the old fashioned way and like because I didn't try to when I was an adult like I did when I was a teenager um so like because I didn't try as an adult I didn't understand how hard it would be psychologically I'm a big I'm a big binge eater I'm a big eating my feelings person um

And like, it's Annie feeling. Welcome to the club, by the way. You're safe here. Me and, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've walked a lot and talked a lot about stuff. And, like, you've been, like, a real, I'm going to cry now. Don't, because I'll cry. But you've been a real good help about everything.

You've made this whole process so much easier for me this last year as well. Yeah, it's been, it's been tough, do you know? So. Ha ha ha ha ha. Sorry. It's very exciting as women. in our 30s when you find people that you know and love have the same thing you have. There is a great, and that's to everyone, there's something very special about that and going

like, oh, you get this. And then you slowly get to like tell a couple more truths to the person and go like, oh, you understand that's not a judgment. That feels very special. And I think we're just incredibly lucky with that because we all do stand-up comedy. So we also get to do it from the stage. yeah yeah of course it was fucking exciting yeah but it's like it's like when I've seen your shows and stuff like it's it is that kind of thing of going like I know I'm individually like this

and people can watch you and grasp bits and go yeah you know like that's the I and the strange thing I don't know like just about the show it's like because I'm in the process of writing it now I'm kind of like I am going like who am I making this for yeah You know, and the people that talked to me after was, like, people who are partners of bigger people, that's been interesting chatting to them because, like, they, and you know what the other thing is, if someone said to me the synopsis of my show last year or the year before, I'd never watch it. I'd be so, I wouldn't. I wouldn't even. Well, the synopsis is that like I, well, the gist of the show is basically that like I got sick

I've chosen to go on these weight last injections and now it's kind of like talking about the kind of mixed feelings I have about because they do have mixed feelings. I know, but I was saying again, you got sick and you chose to get better. I know, but there is this weird,

no, but they're so complicated. They are so complicated. They are. They feel, they feel, they feel, I think this, it's such an interesting moment. Sorry, this must be like, but there, it is an interesting moment of like, I have an eating disorder. I am thin.

Yeah. The presence of them makes me want them. And that's fucked. If you then have also, like, had to make space for yourself, to love yourself outside of whatever capitalism tells you is an ideal body. And you've done all that fucking work, which is what, when I saw the show, it was like real testament to, how much work you've done to like yourself. when the world is fucking cruel to fat people.

Yeah. I can see how it feels like some sort of betrayal. Oh, big time. That version of yourself who's done all that work. And then, thin culture tells fat people that they're somehow lazy if they do the thing. Thin culture also tells fat people that they should do if they want to be accepted. Yeah. It's such a complicated topic.

I just don't think can thin culture exist. I think that's a lot. It's this culture. Sorry, I don't know what that. I mean like capitalism. I mean capitalism. When I say, I mean like,

I don't know if they're smart or not. Culture. I agree. The thing is, but what about Pilates? That's not a culture. That's giving money to someone who's slightly more flexible.

What about Saleros? What's this? Saleros is like, the ice cream. Yeah, that's not thin culture. Do you think that's thin culture? It's Weight Watchers culture for sure.

Is it? Yeah. So when I was a teenager, I went to Slim and World, which was mental. Yeah, of course it's mental. Yeah. like it's all like

Dave they're the my favorite rule about sim and world is that like I like like I'm going to have this

in the show so like my favorite thing about sim and world is that so bananas a whole banana you know what I I don't know it's something to do

it's so funny it's so funny well yeah sin points so you can have 15 sin points a day I think and there's some foods

of sin I know I did it so long ago my mum brought me as well as a mother bonding experience like that's a only thing I'm inheriting from my parents is an eating disorder. Like, could I get property? Please.

You and a whole lot of Irish people. I know. Genuinely. So like, so, but so a whole banana is zero sin points. Because why would it be sinful? Like it's a, it's a fruit. Like, why would it be sinful? And then a mashed banana.

I think, have you Googled it? No, I just googled like. What are sin points? You do you. I think, I think it's three sin points, right? And it's like, what the fuck's the difference? Considering you've to mash the banana in your mouth in order to consume the banana.

No, no, you're expected to swallow it whole. Yeah, but that's it. Like, just hock too on and, gag, got, got, got, go, got, got, got. Just like, you know, I would not let the day get away from me. Like, it's beautiful. Before I keep asking you about your show, though, because I do keep wanting to go back to it, I'm conscious that, like, I feel like you're talking about this show

reminds me, not the same, but reminds me of me talking about my first show where I was talking about being hospitalized for OCD. which is like, um, you decided to do a show and you, when you make a show, set the parameters of what you're willing to share. Yes. But then people do interview you about it. Yes. You ask you questions about it. And you know, you're getting emotional. Isn't it so weird? But it's so totally. Also I've invited that. But, but this is the thing is did you? That's why I love stander. Yes, you have. And I also didn't know what it was going to feel like. Yeah. Like it's a different thing to

feel in charge on stage and say, here's a thing. thing I'm willing to tell you about now I have the space to explain myself and only I will be writing this version. Yeah. Versus some sort of commodification of that or like it's trusting somebody else to explain it or justifying it. People can like the scary thing about doing it as well is that like it is going to get reviewed and like no matter what like it doesn't matter like it's not like I'm expecting unadulterated praise. I'm expecting people to have conversations about it. And what I'm feeling like strangely defensive about now is that like when you do show

off a little part of yourself and you go as a standup, I have the power. I'm doing this. I'm the writer. I'm the director. Everything. And then you can't control how people perceive it and take it in. No. And it's kind of a bit fucked.

But also I feel compelled to talk about it. So I'm kind of stuck. And I'm so glad you are talking about it because it's so. A, straight up in case this isn't clear from the crying or the deep chat, it's really funny. It's straight out the gate, it's really funny. Thank you.

It's such a funny show. And it was funny two years ago, so like, I cannot wait to see it. It's good. I've had people like Ellen and people help out with it and stuff. Ellen was raving about it. Ellen's also, it's so annoying, which talks about Alison in the house

because I'm like she's just like she's so like effusive about you but she's also like she's just the kind of comic where you're like she has so many good bits that she'll forget an amazing myth that's true well do you know what's funny about and I'm like does she does she forget does she want to say so successful lately like I feel like like every new job she gets I'm like I cannot ask her for more help you can she loves her I'll message her today she can but she will be like can I show you something that me and Ellen you chat away but I've I am that me and Ellen I'll show yeah. I didn't bring it especially for this. It's just in my nose book. She's so

effusive about you. She's like, she'll just forget bits that other comics could never write and I'm like, oh man, that's a, that's like, it's amazing, but also I'm like, I'm so jealous of Alison Spittal. But it's like I'm sorry, where, you see my yellow. It's right behind you, right behind you. No, no. I also got the nose of ADHD this year.

No way! Surprise! Yes. That was another 20 walks. That was. Oh my God. But wait. they couldn't blame that surely they couldn't blame that on your fatness No but you know Did they try?

Well eating There is like There is a Talk to us There is a connection Fern looked it up My friend Fern Fern who is autistic

And yeah When she found out I was ADHD Looked up loads of stats On it That I can't remember Now because I'm ADHD It's not your job

That's what you have That's true For But I know Furn's a bit Do you know what's so funny as well Like she said

The other day I'd ask how you are but I know you're not going to tell me property so just wait until you do a show because I'm always going like, I'm fine and did I do a show and I'm like this shit happened to me and it's like so that's very funny

me and Ellen were having a big chat in a cafe about the show I was crying and everything like that just about just about because I still find it hard you're talking about really vulnerable stuff I know what the fuck am I doing no I get it's really I could have left I should have like

this part made it like last year my friend went to me Alison, are you sure you want to do a show about going on the jabs like what if you don't lose weight

before the fringe right? She was saying it's like out of look and I went to her like genuinely so many stand-up

comedians do shows about getting therapy and help and it's like if that was working for them they wouldn't be like so I'm fine

what if no one's like what if you don't get better by the fringe I know genuinely no one's better by the fridge they're worse if you're not over that by then that's so funny

I know and I can't use that in the show really because it's like it's very anyway it's you should that's funny do you know what I'm gonna get on to Ellen I can be like Ellen sleeves I've so so I was chatting away about the show and there's this businessman

who was sitting a table away from us I cannot do this have you seen I have I shown you this so this is what it said yeah okay so so this is read me person sent a note over to the table it says read me exclamation mark and this is from a man in a business suit so we're assuming businessman yeah or just a formal guy yes says all capsulized

beauty is on the inside exclamation mark so you can be as beautiful as you want to be exclamation mark and when i got that i showed it to my one of my best friends and she went do you think anyone conventionally attractive would get a note like that and I was like no no do you think

Bella is someone trying to make a fucking Instagram moment do you think Bella Hadid would get this do we think Bella Hadid would get this

that doesn't get a number I think some girls get numbers and some girls get positive inspiration for us yeah keep going

the amount of times people have told me to keep facing the sun and the shadows will always fall behind me give me your number you're blinded also sorry just the idea that culture is so warped that we think conventionally attractive is

Bella Hadid as opposed to like she being beautiful yes but she that's my point she's like extreme end of like the capitalist beauty standard like what are we that's not like good looking girl that's like anyway the point being you're right that's but also just like imagine hearing that conversation thinking but you keep it I keep it there thinking I should put I should put stick my oar in here I know well like this is it did you know know you were saying about it's interesting the point about like i think he was um i mean i only took that out to like make it like it's so funny i hope he doesn't watch and if it is i'm so sorry man like that was a misplaced gesture and best of luck of your life why are you apologising to this man

he he stepped in on into your scenario you didn't step into his you didn't walk over to him say what do you think of me and then criticize his feedback he handed it to you on solicited i think it's because I feel so afraid of like as a fat person like when you have an interaction with anyone and it's not negative like it's like in the show I say like this is a part that I find interesting to do a survey to get these jabs

and like I'm not advertising the jabs I don't give a shit about what people do like I really want that to get you've been trying to get me on them for fucking must every time I meet with Alison she just shoves it my own. It's only because I got like a discount code. Like if you do it too, we both get them cheaper. She just wants you to join her downline.

It's nothing personal. I walk in our area with Alison. She cannot stop selling it to people. And people are like, what are the side effects? And I'm like, I just inject him. I don't ask questions. Having a wonderful day? Is that a side effect? I don't know. Being cool as hell.

The thing is like, when you do the survey, you have to say like, you have to answer questions. like have you last respect for yourself since you've become those I wondered what the survey was because it's medical history and then and then like they wanted there's like this psychological purity test as well like because god I fucking fail that because you know what's interesting it's because I think like uh people just think by default you should be unhappy because you're fat yeah yeah yeah that that is the kind of like societal thing and uh so when I was doing a survey, you had to, like, and if anyone from the jab company,

still give me them, please, like, I'm on them, like, you know, but it's weird how you do, I did feel like I had to lie. So I had to go, I feel depressed and stuff, put on weight. I put on weight when I was eight years old. I don't know the concept of long division, never mind, self-respect or whatever. And then you have to talk about, like, have you big of them depressed and, and stuff like that. And I was like, like, there's so much out, there's so, there's multitudes to me. There's so much more shit. going on in my life than being fat. I'll say it, sir, I am depressed.

Yeah. But that is separate of my fanness. Being fat is like not, not in that and I'm not saying this is like. It's not everything. It's not everything. It really isn't everything. It's like, it's not even in the top 10. I can't believe you have to say that, but I'm glad you're saying it.

Because yeah, because that's what I want like, I just like, I just, it's just, it's just I'm such a reluctant weight loss person now and that's the worst kind of. is like a reluctant landlord who's like I'm so cool I mean look I inherited the house I don't think it is the worst kind I would say I would say the worst kind is the um oh the ones the reformed whore the like energy of like I pulled myself up by my bootstrap and it wasn't that hard and I was such a piece of shit when I was fat and I was like that is the you know and they talk like that as well where even is the bootstrap the bootstrap I don't know wait I'm too fat to find it It's like, somewhere, eh. Um, what are we, sorry? I lost it in a roll. Can't reach my toes. I did hear a really good fat joke the other day,

but I can't remember it now. It's a shame. It'll come to you. It'll come to you. Yeah, it would have loved it. Thank you. It was about a dog, maybe. Oh, nice.

No, maybe it's gone. But isn't it funny that, like, I don't want it to be a better dog. That, yeah, I. Oh, was it, was it someone fat shaming their own dog? Was it on Twitter? I'm sorry. Wait, did you see, was someone fat shaming their dog?

You're still on Twitter? That's my question. No, I'm not. But, you know, I'm on Instagram and sometimes you get screenshots to the tweets. That's true. Taylor Lorenz. How big was the dog? How big was the dog?

Do you know what? Catherine was going to make a point. Sorry, I'm going to listen. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was really professional. That was good. Oh, no.

My point is, I'm just trying to genuinely tell our audience that I think that your show is about something fascinating. And I think it's something that they will. we'll find entertaining and interesting and insightful. And what I really love about it is that you live the, there's a live conflict on stage, which is probably horrible to experience. Yeah. But it's so refreshing.

But it's so refreshing to watch. But it's like, it's like, because me and Helen are like stable mates. Like we're, we are tag team and like, and like we had like walks in the park. What do you mean in the,

in the venue? You're in the same venue. We're in the same venue. We're in the same venue one after each other. We've got the same disorder. And yeah, we're treating it differently. But we're getting through it.

And yeah, we're both in active recovery. I love that. And yeah, I will have just had an operation. And yeah, yeah, we're messed up there. Are you getting the operation to outdo, Alison? No, but I'm taking the train with Allison. And unfortunately, the accommodation won't let us move in for two days. I need to respond to that message.

Yes, Helen, not the time. But I have, admin, we've been over this. So we can't get to the flat. But I have a flat for us for two days. Oh my God, I can just stay at my friends, maybe. Okay. I can't believe I am yet again saying, about we're not doing personal admin on podcast sorry we need somewhere to stay we do we

I got somewhere but anyway the flat did you have to give anyone a hand job in a car to get it no I have a second cousin and uh I pulled in a favor that's the most Irish answer I've ever heard no sure I have a second cousin then it's all grand is all being sorted good it is but the show yeah it's just like it's it's going to be a funny show there's a bit of there's a bit of trauma in it and I don't know whether it's like um I think you might have watched it where I was talking about it I was like I'm not sure whether I do it again it's still in there but I'm in teetering now I'm just like the closer I get to Edinburgh the more because it's like to give context I loved it I know but also am I but also do you have to do you want to do it every day yeah that's the thing

because it's like the show will be different yeah every day it's a live entity I think the context I wanted to talk about like why I'm fat and I don't want to it to be like therefore a fat person must have gone through a terrible trauma in order like but that's just but you're not saying that i know i'm playing 28 d chess with you're representing yourself i know i find that hard i get it because it's like when you go on tv and stuff are you doing a no i'm not that was really embarrassing when i go on tv i get that was beautiful i get like two types of messages and it's either like people going fantastic representation or uh people going you you you should put down the bread you're a fat bitch and stuff so it's like it's not always bread

but it is for me it's for us it's always bread but for other people it's not always bread no some people get fat from chock that's crazy though just to do sweet imagine getting fat just off ferrera rashes the amount of money that you'd have to pump it's too expensive it's too expensive you can get fat off ferrera rosh bread you can get fat off three pounds a week Do you get fat off a boxer, a pyramid or for a, madam, please, how much are you earning? That's why Elon Musk is taking Mount Giro, like, because he's on Marlera. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.

Do you get, like, a list of everyone else who's on it once you go on it? Genuinely. I would go on it for that. Genuinely, like, I have two friends that are on it, and they will just, they will just text me your name. And they'll go, and then I'm like, yeah, like, but I also, I totally get why that's fun and I would like to know all the time but I also just we have

do you know why go on because like there's loads of people that have lost weight within the past four years celebrities and the injections

have become available and like what I hated was always being told as a fat person I just have to work harder or I there's a moral there's a moral wrongness within me

the grief is a deadly sin they talk about it it's a sin it's like Catholicism there's something deeply wrong with me and I need to sort it out and it's like or I could just take this injection yeah and it's fine it's actually not that hard and I know it doesn't work for a lot of people I'm not saying but like no it's there there are people who their whole personality is being skinny and it's not and it's not like and and and it's not only just being thin but it's also

putting down people it's a moral superiority it's a moral superiority we think it's moral we think we think that we think that we have we do think that like the fat bias is that we think we have done something better or better people have taken better action better moral action definitely which is like it's such a love it's such a lovely belief right it's like it's like when rich people are like I guess I'm just a really good actor and you're like maybe yeah and also maybe other factors helped you and that is biology like like the idea that any of us could eat the same food and have the same body as fucked it's just or like just shit like like like I remember. remember once I was like it was when the abortion referendum was on and uh repeal the apes yes baby did you say repeal the apes she's yeah she i liked it she's practically irish this is great and like uh you can um so like i was giving out flyers um for to to stop abortion now a joke um to for thank god i know someone like to say yeah um so i was giving out flyers and it was a very heated debate in the country and this woman came up to me and she called me a fat bitch and she was about she was about a size 14 or something like that so i'm not saying

a size 14 is fat but she was like two massive life events from becoming as fat as me like that's the genuine truth do you know what i mean there's got there's going to be too i love you this is why i can't wait for this show so i called her fat right and i've never seen anyone look so hurt because there's nothing worse than being called fat by a fat person there's like this fat on fat cry but she was she was she was incredible i feel that's what one did the referent and that's how we got abortion rights by fat shaming by being like if you get pregnant you'll get fat yeah yeah think about it you know what else you can abort fat cells wow yeah yeah so like um so there is this kind of what we the the show and uh it's great

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What does that mean? That it's everywhere. Then the fat jobs are everywhere. I know I'm taking them. I do because I feel like... I feel like fat people are now being told, you don't have to exist. You can just take an injection.

Yeah. When I'm on Reddit, I see it all the... I'm here. But people can choose not to. I'm still here. Like, I was trying to Jade Adams about it was like crying. I was like, oh, I know. I went to Jade's the weekend after you.

Did she? She must have been like, like, fucking Alice. No, you told me. And I went to Jade and I went, well, thank Godness. Like, godness that Alison was with you and Jade just knows what to say. She does. So I was like crying about stuff. Like, and she goes, can we say what Jade said to you?

Please. I'll do you want to. Okay, do you want to. Okay, go on. I'm so sad. I've lost some weight at the moment. It's just so, oh, it's a very mixed feelings about it. And then wonderful Jade Adams went, you're still fat babies. She did. And I was like, thank you.

Thank you so much. you're still fat. I was very affirming. Sometimes you just need Jay to tell you. Yeah, because I've built my whole identity on being fat since I was a kid. Do you know what I mean?

But also, that's where I slip in the friendship group. Yeah. It's the fat one. Yeah, it is a like you have to grieve the loss of, like if everything about how you're being perceived is changing,

then you must feel different. And that is like a weird shift. Maybe that you can't. It is. I think so. And the thing about like being fat, being fat was a coping mechanism for a thing that was like deeper or whatever but also it was a I was coping and I was looking after myself and I don't fucking hate myself for that yeah like that and I feel

like such a um sorry this is good it's like it just feels like such a weird thing to admit is like like like people expected me to hate myself I didn't and like it was all like it was all going like everything like my whole career and everything has been like this defiant thing of like people going you know like it'd be harder every to go on TV and like and I was like

but like I had my own fucking TV series and I mean in Ireland that's not the asterisk that you think it is it's still a brag but like you know I felt like I wasn't trying to be a representative to anyone I was trying to like

I was trying to live a defiant life of being happy and like I just didn't have, I didn't have the, I didn't have the time. I didn't have the brain space to want to become thinner. It wasn't a thing that was the top of my priorities, my top of my priorities was like, like living a happy life. I have good friends.

Do you know what it is? This is so, this is so important for you to say out loud. Yeah. I think, I think we all have these weird suppositions about, like there will be people who do expect that every fat person is desperate to lose weight. That's the thing.

And it is important to say, no, loads of them are just cracking on with their lives and don't actually hate themselves the way you seem to hate them. You're telling on your... And also, like, it's people telling on themselves, right? Like, they are projecting their own fear and their own hatred. Yeah. But I think it's important that we're talking about it because, yes, you might feel whatever way you feel about the ubiquity.

I feel like it could be a neutral thing that they exist. I'd like to be neutral. But it can't be because it exists in the framing where we have made. like we have got a huge fat bias and we do have like rampant fat phobia but but i'm glad you're talking about it because also like i i am only a i'm only a decade away from if this had happened when i was a teen yeah i would have i would have it it is a mechanism for indulging eating disorders in the same way that diet culture and like over exercising are and if we don't talk about it in the context of our dynamics with weight or like societal attitudes towards weight then we're doing

everyone a massive disservice we are and I just don't want like I don't want I don't want I don't misset I don't want me to like I like if I do get thinner like I don't want to be used as an example to beat someone over the head with you know what I mean totally stop beating me but you wouldn't your emotional intelligence is don't look me in the eyes right no but you're right you don't want to be some sort of like before and after to show some like to make somebody feel like yeah there's nothing more cringy than like you know there's not does i don't want to be i don't want to be holding a pair of trousers that i used to wear like that okay i actually want you to do that

but then how will everyone know that you're smaller than the trousers are allison oh they know i get like because i'm like we haven't seen each other in a while and like you've been nice like this sounds really um but it's come some comedians i haven't seen in ages and they will be like oh what's oh wow and it's like they're not saying like that's why i've dyed my hair in mad color as well is to like yes i look different who knows why one one guy actually did say oh my god fuck me all you're half your size is like what's what's what's going on it's like i have cancer and i just didn't correct them and so that might be be going around Ireland

but I don't like him so fine you can tell people I just wanted him to be awkward I'm so sorry did we talk about this the beginning we did talk about it

in the extras Helen's been doing exactly that with her goldstones yeah a week yeah because I've only it's only

I mean you were there when I got asked if I was on the jabs did you hear that no way I got asked last week by you in a train room

in a green room but it's like but that course that's going to happen I am losing weight because I'm not very well but I love telling people they go like oh you've lost weight and I go I'm sick

yeah I literally in the show last year I was like I'm rotting from the inside you literally I'm right my blood is poison but also where if these men learn to socialise you talk about after the person leaves some room I know

it's standard practice I know fucking hell I know it's like where were they rare I know my thin ears are burning right wait did the ears get thinner

do you know it gets thinner the 10 I know it gets thinner the tiths. You told me this the other day. Is it length still? That's the problem. They're longer now. They're longer.

I still think we should get them all hoisted up at the same time. I know Gladhill's interested. Why don't we like stitch them together the tree of us? No, we can or be connected. It's so weird. By the tini. Like a star. Yeah.

I like to think like a rat king of female comedians. Just. by our tits just going. We've all got the meat. We're just all interested in the left. And I think we should do it all together. I like to think that you are all connected by your tits. We are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why would we not do it together where we could all recover in the same Airbnb? The strange thing is and watch TV.

That would be great. Me and some other flat-chested women could come and take care of you. Yes, that'd be wonderful. Wouldn't that be nice? Medieval kind of like, you know, the way they brought in breastfeeding women.

Yes. It's like, yeah, it's beautiful. That'd be really lovely. Yeah. Can they all be queer as well? Be like, I'll change the dressing. Yeah.

I love that. Op cream, op cream, op cream, offering. It's so funny when you just like, no, there's something you can't

provide for your partner. Yeah. Sweet Brono Tiddly will always message me and be like, is Ellen attended the event just so you know how low cut my top should be.

And I'm like, oh, God, you're going to make her day. Yeah, well, of course we could come and do that for you, no problem. That'd be amazing.

Because weight loss is hard as well, because I think I should, I probably should go down a cup size right now, but obviously I'm, probably going to go back up. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm not buying a new bra.

No, this is the thing is like, when do you know when to buy a new bra? I was, yeah, you don't. You just have. No one tells you. I just have a basket full of different cups now. That's fun. Do you ever do like a bit of a like lucky dip?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I do. But like the. Who loves that you checked out your own taste. I did. I did see what ones I'm wearing today. Yep. Yeah.

I can tell you because I already touched it and looked at. It's a lovely pink and boy. It's very, is it like a t-shirt bra? Does it have padding? Oh, yes. It is padding. Feel that? Yeah, yeah.

You can, you can, I, I was waiting for permission. God, there we go. Oh, there's loads in there. It's loads of padding. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Such different approaches. Different, yeah. And then Catherine was just sort of gently cupping.

I know, she was cuffing. And you were, you were, you were, call it a growth from, Primark. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Primer. Good of you to translate for the listener of Primark. That's what I'm doing. Like, when I did it.

in Ireland and I was like pennies because I've just just said it like it is you can say press instead of cupboard oh it's beautiful you better in fact you're beautiful you can talk about your Catholic upbringing in a real you can be like yeah I just got a new therapist beautiful are the Irish and I got an Irish therapist

sorry for me to jump on that but wow I got an Irish therapist and it is honestly I think it's saved us three weeks amazing I truly do I just feel like there's stuff I don't have to explain yes there's just shit you don't have to be like it's just unspoken and it's really helpful i love it like we we all have secret languages and me and you being irish and me and you being fat and they're both the biggest things that i am you know i'm i also speak osgwega you do you do i'm sorry she's been to osweila

no squelah osgues put them together and what have you got there you go osweilga um so close and then but you do you have to explain like the context of like growing up sort of a thing is that what it is. It's like unspoken stuff. It's like there's like a quality of guilt that permeates our existence. There's a, there's also this weird. You guys feel bad a lot.

Do you know what? There's this modern thing in Ireland I'd like to discuss with you. Please. So in Ireland, during counties, well, you can have them. Is it that again? As if that was the modern development. When Ireland, when Ireland had a lot of money during the Celtic Tiger, what they would do,

because we're quite a young country we didn't have tigers. We, well we had one big roaring one. We did. They would get, they would get women in bikinis to stand on the street and hold like a big check and advertise like pension plans or like every, there's a thing called the photo call.

Did you remember that? I don't think I did. You have to rewind. What the fuck is a Celtic tiger? There was like national. We don't have time. We actually don't have time. It's the economy was doing well in Ireland. And it didn't suit us. It didn't suit us. No, okay.

Everybody was buying land roe over. it was very weird and properties in Hungary and it didn't go well yeah it didn't go well way too many Christmas presents that was our big issue way too many Christmas for the kids some people would go to New York in November to go Christmas shopping yeah like that was it was obscene but you know it was obscene but um when was this but like this is like with like the 2000s I was a teenager and like when I was a teenager what I noticed as well it was like instead of like because Ireland had money didn't know what to do if it were a bit goat they would like make celebrities out of women in bikinis um but there wouldn't be like

full page free models or anything like that because we're catholic but it would be like glamour models in like national potato week was the one that i remember the most go on because it was a woman in i cannot control my face i know what do you mean because every week's national potato week yes yeah but yeah go on so there was a there was a lady in like a bikini made out of potato peels and it was just to advertise the healthiness of potatoes. They're the, honestly, a superfood. They give you everything you could possibly need. They do, they do.

They really do. Them and be true, man. Very satiating. Yeah, and they've got a lot of what you need in there. Yeah, they got like... Potatoes for the crotch, too. The quake potatoes for the crutch. It was the bikini, all the, the whole bikini.

It was all in a bikini. It was the whole bikini, which feels like a weird, like, once you're trying to cure, like, a yeast infection or something like that in ancient times. I bet you that works. It has to. there's so much goodness in spuds so good like it can cure so yummy yeah it's beautiful but like um there was a lot of like using women's bodies as props in ireland and also in ireland like like if you went on tv you'd have to like a full blow dry and even over here it's not as no my favorite fact

is still that most women i know who are coming to london for like a weekend will be like and like irish women will be like and like do women actually go out just in trainers yeah I'm like, yeah, yeah, you can go to dinner and trainers. Yeah, that's so true. We're still quite like, but what's the new modern thing you want to discuss?

Well, that is that... Yeah. Women who wear potatoes as an outfit on the street in Ireland. In Ireland. Like, what the fucking stay at the women over in England

wearing trainers. You fucking judge me, sweetheart. No judgment. With your bloody potato brotch. It's no judgment. You're fucking judgment the people of Rotherham. The good people of Rotherham.

No, no, no, it's like social checking. I actually don't think it's Rotherham. It's more like a lot of London thing. It's actually like a class thing. Yeah, because in Liverpool, I think Liverpool are very similar to Irish women. Yeah, they really go for it. Blowouts and stuff. Full tan. But like, no, in Ireland, like, I did feel like when I was coming up doing comedy and stuff, I had so much inbuilt misogyny in me for beautiful women because I would see them as like, because there was like a, there was like a TV show that was like a comedy show. And, and like these are like comedians I really

respect and love, like and stuff. But they would always put like a woman in. bikini. I remember I was working on this show once. And the stage manager was going, hot girls, where are the hot girls? Their name, their name, I still remember their names. Their names from Nicola and Sheenade. It wasn't that hard to remember. But because they were in a bikini, they were just treated like props. And it just drove me insane. And it's just like, so there's this weird, there's this weird kind of thing of like growing up in Ireland. You've the weird Catholicism, but also the commercialization of your body. And I was always told, like I am worth less than that person.

And instead of hating the system, I would just hate like a beautiful woman who was good at comedy or whatever. Like, I know, it was just, that's the thing that kind of like, I big time have regrets over and shit. Because I didn't have, and I mean, I regret that the thing existed in the first place.

Yeah, that's weird. But I feel like, yeah, I feel like that's a deep personalisation of a thing that's not necessary, like not at all your fault. Like I also, I also think if you are, because how that manifests, in me was self-loathing, right? So I was like, I'm not that thing

by whatever extreme metric so I will just punish my own body in an extreme way. And I could be like what a dumb bitch or I could be like no, the system is designed to make us all either compete with each other or self-loat or both at the same time. Sometimes you can have it all.

Totally. I think there's a sort of weird part of me as well that goes, oh I didn't get that because I'm fat. Like whatever, if it's a job or something like that not I didn't get that because I wasn't good enough. So I don't know if that's a weird thing of me just trying to take the power away from myself. Well, that's a bit, that's the deepest thing I've ever said in my life. Okay, but on that, yeah. Yeah. We know factually that there is fat bias in employment. Yeah. We know that. So like,

I don't think, as long as you're not going like, the only reason I didn't get that is this, where like there may be, like, I think you can be honest with yourself and like, go, are there things I could have done that meant that that didn't go my way or like, then fair enough? like but also like it is okay to acknowledge that there's a bias it made me work really hard like it made me work really hard and become determined to do stuff because i kept getting told constantly like i suppose because like growing up at a council estate as well it's like the implication is that like you can't do stuff that other people can do and so it was kind of like well fuck you i'm going to do it and i'm going to do it being fat and being from a council estate and stuff

So it's probably a worse in Ireland, genuinely? I don't think so. I don't know. I wouldn't say it is. I don't know. I wouldn't say it is. I think it's... But beauty standards are higher.

Or like a theme, no. No, I think they're culturally, like, they're culturally different, but they're not, I don't think they're, like, enforced any harsh. I think, I think... You know what? Actually, ignore me. I think I'm still confused. I think I'm still confused about the Celtic tiger and why you guys having loads of money

meant that a woman dressed up as a potato on the street. I think I'm still You know what Actually I don't I actually don't understand Any of these riddles right now No I don't need to

I don't need to I don't need to Because I think the thing about Ireland Is like There's this thing of like We were shaking off The shackles of Catholicism But we were doing it in a real Have you done that now?

Yeah I've done it now No no Has Ireland done it now You've done it now Well done how I know I am Ireland has not done it now

No Ireland No See the current Irish news It's FYI Harrow Yeah. And it's still like, I think Ireland was very like in the 2000s was very like Benny Hill. Like it would be seen to be funny to have like a fat man comedian be chased by a lot of like women in bikinis. And that was humor. Or I remember once like. Was everyone in bikinis? There was. I think maybe I just noticed it a bit more. I know what you mean. Because I was working in the industry. In winter. But also it was a weird time where like lots of Irish women were doing really well in Miss Universe and Miss World. And there was like this bikini. obsession it was but but mainly what i am well what what you just said what it made me think of is like yeah i think a thing about the moment of ozempic and manjaro and all of that is probably also

having an interplay with classism because because there's only going to be a certain group of people who can afford this and they're more i think there are more fat like if i had to look at like i've been chatting about class and fat with my friend and i don't know if i'm going to put it in the show. I think I will. But like it is there are there are there. So my family are predominantly fat women. Um, and some members of my family, they can't have like, well, I just, there's a person I know and they're trying to get pregnant and they can't because they got PCOS and they're fat and they're being made to lose weight in order. And she's in a rush now to try and lose weight in order to have a child and it's like like that that that to me is like fat phobia and like and

but also she's not rich enough to go she could get it privately done you know and be as fat she likes and get it done but she can't afford that totally so like there's this thing of like uh losing to go privately to get IVF is that what we're saying yeah yeah yeah losing weight costs money and I'm paying like 170 quid a month like uh because I can't get it on the NHS And losing weight has always cost money. But it has and that's why there's so many industries based on it and there's so much like it's so, I feel so angry over it because like the, the same way that people have a moral problem with people being fat, they have a moral problem with people being poor because they're like they just, you made this point earlier and you're right. Like it is this kind of thing of like there is this feeling and feeling higher. And a connection, there's some sort of ludicrous, absurd connection that it's about effort put in.

an outcome as a person. Calories in. Calories out. Exactly. Exactly. Like work ethic in money out and you're like, no, no, no. Stop the boats. It's like, what the fuck does that mean? You know, why are you connected? The same person is always saying that as well. It's so true. What if they're just skinny immigrants? Raspi. They do. They do. They do. They do they're raspi as fuck. Alison, what I want to convey is that you have a super cool fun show that people should go see. Yeah, I'm so. Yeah, no, no, no. Do I'll be through the medium of jokes? And interpretive dance, I hope. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And no crying, hopefully. Don't make promises you can. I've seen that show. Um, what time

are you on? 4.45 and Monkey Barrel 1. The show is called Big. Um, you should come. It's going to be really good. You should go. It's fucking amazing. And it makes you think, it is your best show. It is your best show. It's one, it's going to be one of the best shows at the fringe. I'm so excited for people to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be fun. It's going to be amazing. We're going to have, and it's weird because I'm like, ex-Catholic. I can't say that. I can say it for you.

I think we're going to have a fucking amazing month. We're going to go up there. We are going to both try and do our the seat for the first time. Or Kelton Hill. You are getting a gallbladder operation. Why are you doing this? At the end of the month. I did forget that.

At the end of the month, I still think I want us to both. We can walk around it. Do it as like a little thing for us. We've never done it before. We've never felt comfortable. We'll get an Uber there. We'll get an Uber there and an Uber back. but we'll walk up there

but we do that fuck you we take care of our bodies we're over to the bottom of the hill it's fine it's a fucking hard hill to climb it is it is we're getting Uber

it's a hard hill let's not be crazy but it's a hard it's really fucking steep I've never even attempted it before I've never attempted to either I've always managed

to shirk out of like the groups yeah but I wouldn't want to do it with a group I do it with Georgie and only Georgie and I maybe you run into people going up and down there you do and there's always someone fucking

proposing. People give comments. Yeah, really. Oh God, yeah, there's always someone proposing. I love it. We just want to do it together and just be like, oh, we did it, done. Exactly. Not as I'm going to avoid that conversation with people every year and they're like, have you been a bar at the seat? I just don't have I know. I know. Yeah, I would.

I did, the thing about, like, because of last week since last year is the weirdest thing is, like, I did treat buses like fate. I was like, if a bus, if I'm, like, basically if a bus pulls up and I'm in front of bus and getting on that bus but if the bus pulls up and I'm a bit far away I'm like that was never meant for me you know what I'm like that's just that's just gone I so understand so like that's it but the worst thing about losing weight I say this in

the show is that people are treating me nicer and it's like and I feel really defensive of the person I was I've said this on this show before yeah my mom because my mom has been every size in my lifetime and has lost an awful lot of weight because she was put on Ozzympic for diabetes and I was like what is the biggest difference you've noticed and she was like

frustratingly and sadly it's that people are nicer to me and it makes me so angry because I'm like it's my fucking mom I know she wears cardigans

and aprons and she's the nicest woman in the world and I'm like fuck you I know so that's the yeah that's the it's nice because I finally started being nice to you I've yet to see it

yeah but it's like it's like it's like because you live near me and like we had a discussion once at a bus stop and like you've been so I just have to say you've been so good to me and thank you don't even I cannot get them do you know the way like she's real fun she's actually really nice

it's her deepest darkest secret people don't know that about Helen but she's actually really nice It's her deepest, darkest secret that she actually will really listen to people and allow them to have their own feelings. That's true.

That is very true. I know she does, yeah, that she does hold space. She hates the phrase, but she does hold space. She also checks in again if you've said that you're having a tough time. She'll say consistent.

She's really consistent with her friends. I didn't know her that well when I was in hospital and she was texting me, oh, can I bring you stuff? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a good. it's her deepest dark of secret that she's actually very emotionally capable and um and pretty supportive

yes that's it and you've heard it here exclusive yeah she thinks it's that she has a great rack but actually everyone knows that oh and it was it was it was like it was like so funny that helen's just crying yeah yeah we're talking about her rack but like it was it was such a nice honor for you to come to my mcclin live show and like watch it and everything and I felt really spirited. It sounds like I'm just thanking people. But you too. I know it to me when other comics come to your show, you are just like, oh, thank God, I'm a real girl in the real community. Sometimes I feel like it gives me like a sense that I'm alive. With other comics in there, I'm like, okay, cool. But no, it wasn't an honor for you. It was an honor for us. I thought it was everyone who left that show

was crying. Is this a good advertisement for Allison's show? I know. But it was like, it hit us all in different ways. And it really, I think it's for everyone. I think that's the other thing is like, It's for fat people, but it's also for people who love fat people. And it's also for people who need to have a fucking think about... Yeah, there's lots of fat jokes in it if you hate fat people. If you want to laugh freely and some bad jokes, you feel stifled by society. You should split it like the bride in the room, laughing at or laughing with. Yeah, exactly.

Laughing at them. That would be wonderful. The usher will show you to your scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, fuck. I can't wait to see it. The last thing to say before, Alison, you can, I guess, that we can go comfort Helen, who's still crying in the next. No, I'm fine. She's fine.

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and probably being a guest with her on the same podcast made me want to do a podcast with her. This is very from the universe of hogs. This is excellent. Go listen to the magazine podcast. Magazine party out every Thursday. Magazine party. Magazine party.

Magazine party. We take a break magazines. We do real life stories. We get people to sell. us their stories. Incredible. Including listeners and stuff like that. Incredible. Have a listen to it. Sure you have a gap in the rotation now, lads. So get it in there. Subscribe immediately. Go listen. And everybody that's, I just, I know, I feel like I'm talking too much and taking up too

much space in the spot. But I just want to be like, thanks. You've come and said loads of vulnerable things and we're grateful to you. I, do you know what? There's a viscosity to the sweat under my armpits that isn't just heat. It is. it is like a nervous it's so i'm nervous about it too though but only because i'm like i don't want anybody to be mean to you but i also find a tedious that fat people always have to talk about i feel like i don't want you to have walked away and be like all i got to talk about was fat now i know but i am doing like like like i thought like coming in here today because then he was the last guest i was like i thought i was going to be holding space for you to be like and i was

going to i was going to be like geez i'm talking about being fat for a long time i want to see them cry at each other um so like uh yeah it's been helen are you okay i feel great i just find this incredibly uncomfortable i shouldn't they look in your eyes to the podcast while alison wraps up are you guys yeah yeah you're fine you're fine come back to them so uncomfortable are you comfortable i won't look at you or talk about elephant why are you uncomfortable helen bower because i think you're both amazing i know you're amazing we think you're amazing you're amazing and just so sad that it's ending i know we'll still we could hang out on purpose do you know what i love alison so much i'm just so proud of the question she is

you know what because it was a really bad year and i didn't think you've done amazing i know you're i had a podcast with fern and like she left the podcast and we and we came out with it being like it was so scary because it was like to be like frank about the podcast is like the podcast was the biggest thing that I was doing and like Fern really pushed herself to keep doing it she didn't talk to me like she had the book she had everything and like and like she didn't discuss it with me like as in but like I wanted her that I wanted her to be okay and like the yeah that was the thing like it's interesting went in in the last day because I was like I know this feeling yeah and like the scariest thing

with the podcast ending was like I just want the friendship to continue because the fucked up thing is like we monetized our friendship we were like this is you know we're not like yeah we monetized our chemistry and the stuff that we liked about each other and then when it ends it's like oh fuck like what do we what do I do um you just like you're just going to have to talk to each other like you're not on a podcast it's going to be great you're going to have such a lovely time. I think it's going to be amazing. Yeah, it is. It is a good thing. I think it's going to be great. I think it's going to be good to not talk to each other like run a podcast. Because me and Fern, we were like, save it for the podcast with everything. Yes. With everything.

We couldn't send each other a voice note or anything. We couldn't tell each other about our day because we're like, oh no, we do that. We do talk outside of it. But that's like, but it'll be more of that. It'll be good. Yeah. And like, you know, your listeners and stuff. Like, I still have people from We're the Miss Fortune coming up to me. and shit it never fucking leaves it never leaves

they better not leave we will be forced to start again in our 80s if you're not still coming to the show we will be touring

then as a paper and that'll be nice presumably you'll have had will you have had your boob lift by then

I hope so yeah I imagine we would have that'll be exciting but like yeah just so I'm I'm excited for you both

and it's gonna be okay and then we've got to record the last episode oh my god Hey, give it up one more time. Well, give it up for Alison Spishol.

This is the penultimate producers list. So just a massive, massive thank you. You guys know how much you mean to us. Thank you so much to our executive producers for the second to last time. It's Guy Goodman, Simon Moore, Stephanie Kachia, Oliver Jago, Anthony Conway, Neil Redmond, Angela S,

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how you say it, Chloe Fox, Dean Michael, Sophie Chivers, Sophie Chivers, we never found out. Did we find out? We did. She messaged me, she sent me a voice note and I forgot Sophie again. Carrie Sooth, Charlie A, Casey, Jam Rainbow, Tamsin, Smith, Harding, Ezra, Peregrin, Brin, Laura Pollock, Leah Overend, Stephen Chicken, Stephen Chicken, Hayley Singer and Dougie Roberts and this is Dougie. What a cute name. Thanks, gang. Thank you. Hey, do you want to hear the next big new tech podcast hit before anyone else? Check out the Daily Tech News show, Experiment Week. We're swapping out our normal shows to try out some new ideas.

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