Trusty Hogs - Ep72. STUART GOLDSMITH / Parenting, Podcasting & Punches

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

Stuart Goldsmith, a true comedy podcasting OG, joins us this week to talk toddler tantrums (Helen, and also his own children), types on the UK comics, and his upcoming stand-up special! CW: Discussions of physical violence.Stu's podcast The Comedian's Comedian is a must listen for comedy nerds and Helen & Catherine have both been guests!FOLLOW STU: @StuartGoldsmithComedyThank you so much for listening!Support us at https://www.patreon.com/TrustyHogs for exclusive bonus content, merch, and more!Trust us with your own problems and questions... [e-mail] give us a follow @TrustyHogs on all socialsBe sure to subscribe and rate us (unless you don’t like these little piggies - 5 Stars only!)Thank you to our Patreon supporters...EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Simon Moores / Guy Goodman / Mary Fox / Annie Tonner / Sarah Jarque-Deakin / Oliver JagoPRODUCERS: Richard Bicknell / Elle / Richard Bald / Neil Redmond / Victoria Hutchison / Emma Walton / Karen & David Bull / Harald van Dijk / Eddie Doyle / Tim & Dom / David Walker / Rachel R / Anthony Conway / Sadie Cashmore / Claire Owen-Jones / Jess & Nick / Zoë / Jo Holmes / Sarah & Molly / Alex Pugh / Josie W / Amy / Cordelia / Raia Fink / Rachel Page / Helen A / Tina Linsey / Sophie Chivers / Graham Marsh / Emily Gee / Amy O'Riordan / Abbie Worf / Kie Web / Matt SimsWith Helen Bauer (Daddy Look at Me, Live at the Apollo) & Catherine Bohart (Roast Battle, Mock the Week, 8 Out of 10 Cats)FOLLOW HELEN, CATHERINE & ANDREW...@HelenBaBauer@CatherineBohart@StandUpAndrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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The chaos. That wasn't very good. It felt like you hadn't thought it through. No, well, we just had two Goldsmith in here. We did him, Goldsmith? Goldsmith? No, no, don't we the magic? Oh, right. We haven't had him in first.

Welcome to episode 72. God knows what's going to happen and who's going to come on. It's trusty hogs. Woo-hoo. We'll solve them Or maybe they won't And that's your problem They'll have guests

And Andrew White on the tech Oh It's Helen and Catherine As the trusty hugs Trust the trusty hogs Or maybe not We should say what it is Just in case as a new listener

No we should I was going to My name's Helen Bauer And I'm Catherine Bauer I am a stand-up comedian As am I and and all around just like good gal. Okay.

Compassionate, patient and loving. Into the line section, all right. Guest love a giggle. And Catherine. And I'm stuck with you. And listen, we talk about our lives and then we try to help you the problems from yours. Ooh, hard to speak today, isn't it?

And listen, we have had, I've had a busy weekend. You've had a lot. Do you want to talk about it? I do. I took my girlfriend of six months home to meet my family. I love how reasonably you're moving. moving on this timeline. Can you believe? I can. I can. Can you believe? I'm growing. I'm growing. I know. She even tried to introduce me to her family about three or four

weeks in and I said no. And then she introduced me three months in. I was like, I'm away. And that's partly because my mother gets so attached, right? She gets so attached to these lesbians. I didn't want to break her heart. I wanted to make sure everything was good. And, um, and listen, it was hilarious from the outset because the first thing to say is my girlfriend's 5.7. My parents, my dad and mom are 5-1 and 5-2 respectively. So she did towerable. You're a smaller people. We're a smaller people. They think I'm towering at my 5'5. She

really was like... Absolutely ridiculous. My dad was looking up and her like, oh my God. And predictably she and my mother had a great time together. Fell in love. I went... I came down to them giggling, playing cards together. I was like, can I play? It's like only a game for two. I was like, fair enough.

They were adorable. Does it ever hurt your soul when you see your mum with like a partner and you're like, oh, I wish we could play cards and not be passive with each other. No, because I don't want to really play cards. Okay. On the one hand, my girlfriend does the job of like daughtering for me and on the other. My mom's

so happy, you know what I mean? So it's so lovely and I don't have to do any of it. So that's great. And she my mom flirts with them so I don't have to do. I can just take a break. I can answer my email. It's lovely. It's really very nice actually. And she did so well. She could understand most of what my dad said. We went on

on walks. He has a heavy accent and so it's for an English person, not for an Irish person. Oh, was she, like, struggling a bit? No, no, but people have struggled in the past. Oh, I would. Um, he's also often eating while he's speaking because he's only he only comes home to eat because he's such a busy man. We are cut from the same cloth. He's like, got to do something.

Gotta do something. Got to do something. Um, she laughed a lot when he said what she calls my catchphrase, which is apparently, come on. Oh my God, I'd not know you had a catchphrase until now. Yeah, come on. You, yeah, constantly. She's like, I'm coming on. I'm right beside you. I'm standing beside. I'm walking beside you. I'm walking beside you.

You, why wouldn't it? Yeah, but come on. It's just an Irish way I'd be like, come on, like that off we go. It's like, show we'll. No, it feels like a teacher being like, right, paint some, paint to paint away. It's, it's intense.

What a fun catchphrase. Yeah, so he's like, mine is my vagina's it trick. No, it's not. Why would I say that? Why would I say that? Why? I don't know what's wrong with me. What is wrong with you?

No, I, I love being single around February and hearing about people's partners. So on this note, have you got on your date? No. What the fuck? Helen, you were supposed to go on three. I know, but... Have you even gone on one? No, but I am.

Have you even tried to set one off? I'm dating myself. No, you're not. Get to fuck. Dating myself. Where have you taken yourself? Two. Exactly.

Get to fuck. Are you dating yourself? You're not. No. I don't know what's happening. I just don't want to do it. Okay, fine. It's bad, isn't there?

I made a promise that I would date. It doesn't have to be now. It's early in the year. I just was checking in. I know, but I'm just not doing it. I'm telling you, I think come March, people be like spring will have sprung people will be ready to go out again

and you might feel like I don't think I should be putting myself out there at the moment because Lou Sanders said that she's really sure I'm going to meet someone at a gig did she look at her crystals while she said there no but she had been with them earlier huh she'd been around her crystals earlier and then she had the epiphany that she thinks I'm going to meet someone at a gig and I believe her I believe her

I do I do I think it's just going to happen and by that time I will have spent enough time learning to love myself, that I will be able to accept it from the kind stranger who will be, I don't know, like in a half mile radius from me.

Very tall. Very beautiful. They're fun. Makes all my friends laugh. Yeah. Such a low bar. I know it is, isn't it? That's the thing.

How can I not find someone given the fact my bar is so incredibly low? Just someone who can hold a conversation. But also don't like in love with me But not too in love with me Like me but not always Like don't like everything You know when someone's like someone's partner

Is just an absolute dick And they're like they just lie up a room I would love it I would just like one person in the corner I love it my girlfriend I liked everything I do But she doesn't You do light up a room

That's kind But no one can like everything Someone else does You can't You mustn't Okay fine The one thing What do I not like about you

This is always a fun friendship moment. Can I tell you something else that happened before we went to my parents and before you insult me? So the day before we went to body movements, as did every other homosexual in London. Now, printworks? Can I explain? Yeah, you already know what that means.

I did not know what that meant. Ellen's like, shall we go to printworks? I was like, what's that? She's like, it's an old day, like, queer dance party. I was like, sounds awful. And she's like, please come. And I was like, fine. But in my head, it was like,

there's a cute little queer like there's like little rooms and oh no it's a where not little big they've got like a queer night in one a queer night in another like you know like Afrodike in one or like butch pleas in the other yeah no it's two giant warehouse spaces yeah one upstairs and then one in the big down

both of which are filthy and both of which are playing music that you have to be on pills to enjoy yes techno yeah okay secondly the bathrooms are porthalus okay you have to queue for everything why are you being surprised by

it's awful I had a terrible time but you should know it's aware of course it's Portaloo I was having a terrible time these two girls come over

the loveliest girls and they're like hey we kind of can't believe you're here we didn't know if we should come over we listened to trust you

and I'm just so shocked to the sight of you I was like I also cannot believe that I'm here I was talking so fast to them I was like I don't know what I'm doing here

I had just drank and because I just ordered just three proscicos and poured them into a pint of praseco because I was like, I can't cope with this. I hate this. That is the least printworks thing of all time, three persecos. Ellen kept saying I was the only person there with a blow dry. I was like, well, I didn't know.

You had a blow dry before you weren't. You fucking idiot, sweaty in there. It's humid. It's a different sort of like atmosphere. It's horrible. Did you go to the smoking area courtyard for a break? Yeah, it's great. Anyway, I got hammered because I was like, I can't deal with this.

Good for you. And so these girls come over and they were like, we were. We're just going to, we're going to bother you, but then we saw your girlfriend's getting loads of attention and stuff, I thought she was getting fandom, so we should like come over to you and I was like, these aren't her fans. Every lesbian she's ever slept with is at this event?

That's what's happening here now. Including you. Including me. And I'm just in the queue. Just say hello. And they were like, oh, okay. They were so nice. Shout out to the printwork girls.

I hated there. I hated it there. I hated it there. Did you not enjoy being like the one girl with the blow dry though? Like, surely that fits in. to your world. I mean, I guess, but I still would have rather

do that somewhere like I could sit down with like Adilu that was sticky, you know. I don't know if I should say something, Andrew. I think honesty is the best policy.

We're concerned about you. What? Because I'm trying to be young. No, just like, who are you now? I know. I don't know. I guess I'm a person

who occasionally does think. You randomly brought up football earlier, like before the podcast just in conversation. You've been to a football match and said it was good. you're going to daytime raves you're introducing your girlfriend

like six months into a relation like it's it's genuinely a bit like is Catherine evolving to become her true self or is she just am I changing too much too fast here's what I'll say is

I want to love you either way and I do I just want to make sure that you're taking stock and still having time to do your flower arranging in your different vase of course I do okay I know but like I'm not giving up the basics Okay, you're panicking.

I can hear your breathing's gone shallow. See, is she laughing because she's having a nice time or is she panicking? Look at me. Look at me. I want to reassure you. I have dafts and tulips in my flat as we speak. I did an hour of Adrian this morning. Now, what I have managed to change

and I'm really happy about is I haven't moved in with my girlfriend. I have been taking things at a normal pace. I'm really proud of that. I hated the daytime rave and was only there to make her happy. I won't be doing that again that was made very clear

two what I said about football was we saw Annie McGrath the comedian coming out of this room and I said don't hurt anyone at football I didn't bring I wasn't like did you see the football you still said football you have never said football for a year and then it just came out a lot recently

Andrew's worried I'm worried we're all a bit concerned because she left Ellen with a football injury last week and then Annie said the most darkly scary thing she just looked at me dead in the eye and went she was able to play the following week it wasn't that bad I was like whoa

who's Meg have you broken terrifying let's just go through a couple of things that I'm nervous about okay will your hair change colour ever of course what do you mean like when you're not going to die it

like East London like blonde with dark roots or anything no I died it three weeks ago and I just made it a darker red okay but that's just was staying within the red I'm not having a Lindsay low hand break then it's worth checking This isn't my Samantha Ronson moment. No, I will not be dying blonde.

I really hope our listeners are too young to understand that. Fuck off. I'm everyone being like, he's Samantha Ronson. I don't know either because I'm only four. Are you still like wearing like matching lingerie? You're not just shoving on boxes and wandering around? Boxers.

You think I own boxers? You think I own boxes? Yeah, I do actually. I don't know who you are anymore. I don't own boxers. I would never. And yes, my underwear stuff is that. One day I'm going to go around yours and there's going to be a skiddle.

in the toilet and I'm going to be like, I've lost her. I've lost her. Catherine would never. Catherine would never. Who do you think I'm, what do you think I'm, what do you think I'm turning into in this scenario? I don't know. I don't know.

Just not who I knew. Okay. I'm making some more sensible choices. I occasionally have to do things of a Sunday to make my girlfriend happy. Yeah. I remain myself. You're still having a bath every morning, putting bath salts in it and lighting a candle. Babe, this morning I did an hour of Adrian and had a bath.

Oh, see, I also hate that. Oh, you know what, actually, maybe, maybe I'm just a bit depressed. Are you okay? I cried for about two hours this morning. Maybe that's what it is. You should taste that vitamin spray that you gave me. It really helped me. No, it was like, it was a cry I put upon myself.

Why? What happened? Oh, this is like, album came up recommended. You were on an album's like recommended on Spotify? And you're like, oh, they understand me. It's called Disney Goes Classical, performed by the Royal Philharmonic Or orchestra and stop cry

stop it what is wrong with you behave yourself put your phone down there's a cover of when she loved me from Toy Story too right by the opera men I don't know what that means okay it's just you know when she loved me the Sarah McLaughlin song with Jesse and it's like the little cowboy no you know

what let's have our guest okay let's have our guests it's not happening let's talk about this and the extras we'll talk about this and the extras you know what I mean maybe it doesn't matter if I change Can you get it together? It's a very emotional time of yet. And you have to get it together.

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It's Sue and Goldsland! I've just had to break up a fight before we got on air because I was like, the two of you, because Helen has just insulted Stuart Goldsmith by saying that she did his wonderful podcast, Comcom Pod, and you said it was the worst time of your life. One of the worst days in my life, yeah. That's so unfair.

It was unfair. You've got quite a bad life, surely. I'm actually thriving 24-7, so I don't know where that came from. It's because, no, because, right, I can hear, I didn't hear how it sounded until Catherine said it. And maybe I was a bit cutting. And for that, I'm sorry. But the day I did it, I was really, I was so excited because number one, it's like a thing, right? Doing con, you're aware of that.

It's like, doing Comcom pod is like a tick on your career. Yeah. And I was like, oh my God, and I don't really know how I write. And I was like, this will be so useful because I'll be talking about what I do. And then you'll tell me how I write to make it the sink for the listener. And then I'll learn. So I came to it with my notepads and my pen all ready to take down notes. I got one nugget, just one.

It was an absolute waste of my time. And I learned that I'm incredibly cringe. So we both suffered. Is that what you said, does you all? He kept him being like, oh, like your brand is like basic and blah. And I was like, well, yeah, well, yours is cringe. And then... And to be fair, you've done a lot of material about being basic.

Yeah. But you are. I didn't know I was cringe. Oh, no. Oh, so it's that obvious that I am that you're like, God, how could you not melt? Stuart. Stuart, this morning I went on my Instagram, popped up a clip from your amazing special. I'm 41.

Of course I am. Look at my trainers. Like, come on. It's funny cringe. I don't know what you mean. What she means is you're a dad and you're older than her. Well, you've been a dad since I met you, like, since when I was 18 and I met you. You, you, I was a dad, I was a dad.

Oh, you mean that energy. Oh, I'm a mom with no kids. I have a similar cringe energy. You have me. Okay, so what, can we please break it down? Because I want to know what it is. I don't resist it. I agree with you, but I don't know what it is.

Yeah, I think, I'm earnest. It's like, it's a Phil Dunphy, earnestness. Is it like? Is it that I say, is it that I try to solve problems rather than. It's Phil Dunphy. Phil Dunphy. Have you watched the modern family? I know what it is. Oh, is he the dad?

He's the dad who loves magic. He's like loves everyone. He just wants his kids to be so happy all the time. He likes his wife, he's a white guy, you know? One of his first lines in the series is like, I'm a cool dad, I'm hip, I'm down with it. I use all the slang, like, LOL, lots of love, WTF, why the face. Just really cute. It's the sweetness.

Oh, well, that's nice to know, I guess. I don't think that I'm like, I would never go like, I'm all the slack. You know, I don't think I'm like that. You know what? I'm having a problem with calling people things that they don't see in themselves. I had a fight last night because I've grouped the entire comedy industry into groups. Like, and you either fit into like one group. So like, it was basically because my friends had just gone to see Pia Navelli's show.

And I was like, oh, Piaennavelli. Oh, he's such a classic war boy. And the war boys are people whose audiences all have a copy of a biography of Hitler at home. A boy boy as in Mad Max. Are they called War Boys? No, no, just War Boy. is the vibe. So war boys are like, they're not history, they're men

who have like biographies on battles and wars and Hitler. So my audience, I'm a big thicko, so my crowd are the people who would like, they'll buy a DVD in 2050. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'll be making money, like, absolutely no stress. And then you've got chaos

sluts, edge lord. Who came up with it? Me? Are my, am I a chaos slot? No, you want to be and that's the worst. Oh, no. Who is it? Who do we know that's a Chaos Slut. I don't want to Sue Sanders,

Olga Cocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're amazing. Chaos Luts is the best group to be in. What am I? What do you want to be? No,

I just told you what I want to be and you mocked me for it. What am I? You're like, you're edging towards chaos slut, but you can't because you're always in like a relationship.

And then all of your shows end with like, I guess I was heartbroken, but now I'm happy. Hang up, there's got to be another, I do love to define a thing. I realized recently

my wife's favorite type of movie is a genre which I have named Ambient Grief. And I'm really think I've got that because I'm like, you know what that is? Yes. So we're talking after son. We're talking, yes, we're talking like a kid with a bike, a child getting down some stairs, you know, that kind of like

awful like, um, uh, nil by mouth. Yeah. But less, less plot and more kind of sobbing and, you know, just looking at the window. I think I like that. She'd love, she love, she in grief. Has she seen the silent girl on Colleen? Hmm, I don't know. Oh, that's very. like lots of heady music, lots of landscape, lots of tragedy

happening to children, that kind of like no resolution, everything's left like melancholy. Yeah, oh. As ever thus, and forever more she'll be they say with their eyes. Have her text me. I have so many movies. So I'd say you're an aggressive babe, if you want to do it. So like it would start with Joan Rivers, obviously,

and then it filters down. I'll take a diluted Joan Rivers. I don't know that you're in aggris. I get chaos slut, loose oners, absolutely. Have you ever seen me speak to an audience member? Yeah. She's not kind. I'm quite mean.

Quite. All right. Andrew just did a loud, which is the gayest interaction. By the way, you're also a big thicker with me. You're welcome. Is that one of them?

Is that a chaos, Slut, aggressive babe or Big Thicko? Yeah, so Big Thicko are people that go on stage and we're like, oh, and the audience's like, oh, that's, oh, that's a lot. And so where do I feature in this? If I want to be a chaos,

Do you want to know? Is that more so that I've ever cringed out? That's more sweet. No, that's so sweet. That's the sweetest you've ever said. I'm nervous to say what you are, because I said this to my friend last night that he was one of these.

Who did you say it to him? I helped you. Neil O'Rourke. Okay, and who else would... No, Little Prince. Little Prince. Yeah, I like it. Little princes...

Little princes are the ones that go on stage. D.O.D. is actually a little Prince. A lot of people think he's old, but he's actually a little prince. They're doing, like, it's a lot of silly, like, fun. And they sort of talk about themselves and all the audience are going like, what they like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like a whole Little Prince vibe. Yeah. I don't mind that. Yeah, Little Princes are a big group. It's a good group to be in. Little Princes are also like the kid who mess up the nativity

but with a cute adler. John Mullaney is a little prince. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Who did you say? John Mullaney, he's a classic little friend. Joe Lysit. I'd meet your mum and I'd call her

Mrs. Catherine. Oh, my God. As a kind of like a thing, yeah, yeah. The ultimate little prince. behavior. She love it. Yeah, because it works when you're two and it works when you're 42. It's gorgeous. That's nice. That's nice. Little Prince is good. So you accept it. I do accept it. Specifically the cringe thing because I like it's because I understand, it's like I've got this tantalizing, like I kind of get it. I kind of get it, but I want to really get it. And I know that I'm earnest. So I'm writing a show for Edinburgh at the moment. Yeah. It's about climate change. But it's not cleverly, it's not something else that turns out to be climate change. I think it's. I think it's. it's going to be really earnest on the chain. About climate change.

Tell you what earnest climate change chat is. Really cringe. I think it will be. So I need to lean into it. This is why I need to do the research for you. You've got to be a little prince. No, no, I don't, I'm, you have, you just have it. Like, don't, I honestly think.

I should take any action. People overanalyze stuff sometimes. Oh, that's me to a tea, right? But just like, let it go. Like, you're, like, there's a fun in the cringe. Like, you are more than happy to do a joke, even if the audience will go, like, Oh, like at the end of it, but you'll still enjoy doing it.

And they'll fall in love with your enjoyment of it? Yes. I think that's the other thing as well. I think I've got a really, had a really cheesy, like a really cheesy pun, and I used to really enjoy doing it and then saying, and like run in the end of the line and go, and I don't respect you at all. Do you mean like that sort of thing? I really enjoy that.

Okay. Well, I think Helen is the same. Like, ultimately, Helen will often be right about historical facts on this podcast. She'll often be right about news on this podcast. She'll often be right to 1918. I'll often miss remember things that she remember. And yet, no matter how many times that happens, she's the dumb bitch. Yes.

Despite the fact I'm actually a genius. Because she just comes across us. Yes. Yeah. But what? A big dicker. A big dicker. A big thickon.

You just gave, that was like Kaiser Sozy, like a glimmer. A tiny little glimmer of, and that's why I'll get away with it. And that's how I'll kill. And I've killed your family all there in this box. But this is part of the reason I'm allowed to say. more horrific things on stage and other people. But there's no point thinking about it. People are like, she doesn't mean it.

She doesn't understand what she's saying. Sure. She doesn't understand what she's saying. But that's why I'm allowed to be aggressive is because they're like, but surely with her accent, she's the babe. And the fact you're wearing this hair, which is, I don't even, what's the hangland?

What's the hairstyle called that's like there? When it's like flipped back? I don't know. It's like, it's like, Frankie Widea. What's the movie? Frank Midea. I don't give a damn. Yeah, yeah.

What's that movie called? Gone with the win. I'll take it. era of like, and you do you wear dresses like that I look like a cartoon and I sound like a cartoon or like a sort of little old lady so then when I'm like, are you too fucking?

Everyone's like, I guess that's a normal question that you didn't mean. I had such a lovely glimmer of that and I kind of I sort of respect and fear the propensity for that to come out of me. I did it like as I know that I look and sound like a nice person yeah yeah yeah despite the fact

you'll call a show prick they'll still be like oh look at these Bless him. Do you know what? No, no, I can't. Go on. No, you can't. Go on.

We'll respect you more if you do. If you were ever going to do it here. Do I have right of edit? Of course. Oh, you have that over everything. Okay, thank you. So the original ending of Prick is that I would get a woman out of the audience. Yeah.

And she would give me a dead arm and then I would give her a dead arm. But like, for real. Like, I'd really go for it. And I would say, I'm going to really go for it. So you have to really go for it. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny. The premise was, like, is it that people just like me and trust me so much that I can physically touch?

So they'll let you do that. I had no idea. I should say, this is why I'm eggy about talking about it. No idea of the, I mean, it was just pre the cultural conversation. I had no, I mean, obviously, that's fucking awful. You can't be hitting women on stage and making a joke out of it. Is it a consensual? You can, and it was consensual, but I'm also, it would have, I was really, and it didn't make it to the Edinburgh show.

It was like a, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. sometimes it was eggy and weird and sometimes it was the funniest thing yeah yeah yeah and one time at a ski festival I did it and there was a woman who was like a professional kickboxer and she went to town and so I'm Ricko she'd done my left arms so my right I was okay so I went to town as well and then she sort of followed me around for the rest of the night and was kind of flirting with me and I went this doesn't feel good that feels so natural no that's interesting but I that was the original The final ending of that show was, can I be so, will they forgive me punching a woman on stage?

When it didn't work, did you worry that it was because they just didn't want to see their little prints being violent? No, the most often, the reason it most often wouldn't work is when the lady in question didn't go super hard. Oh, yeah. Because if she only slightly hits me, then what, I can't belt her, but it's not allowed. Do you want to do it now? I mean, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, but to Helen. Which one of us do you reckon you'd rather take a punch from? I'm a lot older and quite brittle, and I wouldn't like to take a punch from either of you

because I think you would have a lot of... I lift weights. Surprise. It's more technique. I feel like you've got crazy bitch energy. Whereas you're wrong on. You probably get up and practice. I did martial arts for long time.

Catherine would get it direct, but I would have no morals behind her. So if you're a haymaker, it's a dead arm. It's a dead arm. I don't know what's... So it's like the idea of, whoa. It's a real shame there isn't a camera mounted there. Like an over my head. That used to be, we got rid of it.

If you're listening, what Helen had done was raised her fists already for the hitting. It was like, I'm fine with it, but the girls have got a terrible temper and they've been drinking all day. Let's clarify. Helen Bauer, do you consent to this? Yes, 100%. I'm not sure that I do. You're not big too much to want for it. Stu Goldsmith, do you consent to this crazy bit of energy coming for you?

Can I suggest a dead leg? You may? Yeah. You can suggest it. No, you want to. No. The man just wants it to casually be closer to his dick. I'm a bit older than I was and I've got responsibilities

and I keep getting small bone breaks and it would have terrible shame to... Even better the jeopardy just got higher. The higher the jeopardy, the better the show. That is so power. Pure, pure power. That really scares me. Okay, right.

So who wants to go first? Oh, you have to go first. I do the first hit. I think so. Sick! Okay. Helen, look at me. Yeah, no, I know. Do not go near his dick.

Yeah. Look at me. Do you not go near his dick? Look, say it back. I won't go near his dick. Say it back to me again. I won't go near his dick. Great.

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Okay, he's marked a spot. It's a three. It's a two. Oh, I mean. Well, technically, contact was made, so... No, no, no, that doesn't count. I have to get another shot. Do you consent or follow-up shot? Go for it. We're really go for it. Oh! She missed again. That's it. You're done.

Come on. What? Like, go for it. She missed twice. Are you? She missed twice. Wait, no, I'm going to go down. Yeah, I would go down.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She missed twice. Here she goes. Prepare for the Thunderdome! Okay, that was cute. Okay. I've been punched by a lot of women in the... Do you not get a shot back?

Yes, I do, but that was so gentle. I wouldn't... I'll give you a little one. No, I want a proper one. Do you want a proper one? Yeah. Okay. Oh my gosh, you want.

She's aspirish. Don't break her. That looked so sore. She's crying. The bitch is crying. What if you do that? That would you do that? She's milking this to hurt me emotionally.

Oh, my God, I'm only little. I don't know any little. Ow! You can have another go. Have another go. No, we don't want you. I don't want to play with him anymore. To get another go, she has to understand that the world is not always a fair place.

You are fucked up. That was fucked up. I thought we were doing it for fun. I said that for real. Do not mind. You wasn't, you wasn't, this is why you're earnest. Look at me. Look at me.

No, no, this used to break me too. She's fine. She's a crying. It really sounds like you're genuinely crying. If I was listening to this and couldn't see your face. Yeah, she's good. That's such a realistic cry. She's gone.

There's not a single tear. She's fine. I'm sorry. that you felt the need to get so violent with such a young woman He said a clip of Jimmy Fallon and he's like, oh, a drag queen and his face is like, oh God, I'm cancelled.

No. She said her, look at me. She consented. She hit you first. She hit you twice. She begged for a real one. She asked for it. She asked for it.

No, I thought. I heard it. I heard it. I heard it. I heard it. I heard it. I heard it. She did agree to it, and then she used that as a piece of theatre, and you mustn't buy into it.

Well, I still feel terrible. That's what she was. And I think that feeling will last a lot longer than the bruise. I really hope it bruises. I love a bruise for the attention. She love a bruise. I think it's where it originated from, the idea is that I genuinely think it's quite funny to get a dead. I don't think if you give me a proper one,

because that moment of, it's not. No, I was trying to really physically maim you. I genuinely was. I don't think. Do you want to take a shot on her behalf? No, I don't. I'd love to see it. No, I don't.

No, sorry, to be clear, this is mental. I'll say this. You've been the biggest instigator of all. I will say this. This is why my siblings began. This is not my world of fighting. Like, I'm not saying I'm not a fighter. I think I'm definitely like, if I was to fight, I think it'd be dirty.

You're a hair puller and coming around it. Really like vicious. I'd go for the, Guys, no qualms, no problems. I would definitely fight like proper street, dirty. She's not going to start a fight. She's absolutely right. Can you tell that I would start a fight?

Can you tell that I was a third and three siblings? I was like the eldest. Start a fight and then run away. I go, Mom! I did that. Like, look how I organized that. Oh my God, you fucked us. Yeah.

But I had a great time. I can't believe you missed twice. That was wild. This has been a lot for me. Oh, my God. And I just, how are you a dad? The guilt complex you have. Are you like this? Do your kids get you around the little finger this easy?

Oh, yeah, when you dead like your kid. No, they beat the shit out of me. They really, they love absolutely go. Do they manipulate you emotionally as successfully as Helen? Yes, God, yes. Well, so they are in two different ways. My son is very, he's very kind of eloquent. And so he's seven, he's a big reader and a writer.

Yeah, wow. Through the pandemic, he would be writing me, no. If he was angry, he would write. me and angry now he said he literally says things to me like you'll pay for this and I go what and he says I vow it oh my god oh my god you've met him right like yeah he's really cute you're adorable very cute little kid dresses like an absolute pimp he's like he's like sort of that's amazing coat and sparkly leggings and stuff yes and then he will and then he'll send him on stage two yeah that's an aggressive baby that's an aggressive babe whereas my daughter will she's very kind of

of resilient and calm and centered, a lot more like a mum, but he's very like me, emotions on his sleeve sort of thing, very close to the surface. He's very up and down, whereas she's very kind of consistent, but she really treats me with sort of disdain. She's just in the last, she's four, and I'm really in the last six months. She started doing very overt, Daddy, and giving me a cuddle, but I just, it's not that it's put on.

I know she loves me, but it's absolutely a decision she's making. She's like, I want a thing. He needs this. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, totally. And just know, people will tell you that's a phase and it's not because I'm 31 and I'm still doing it to my dad. You're all right, Michael, it'll work out. So my wife pointed out that when he was getting really, like he's gone through phases of really mad, mad, mad, vicious, angry, tant.

Not vicious, not physical. Yeah. Bless him, he's tried to hit me, but can't because he's a good kid and he just ends up going like that. So he wounds with his words. But when he was in one of his phases, he would say, like I'd say to him, listen, I'd say, mate I know you're upset just I love you it's going to be okay I love you

and he would go I don't want anyone to love me and I would be like oh god I've sort of irreparably emotionally ruined him but my wife pointed out a little while later after a breath she said look he's pushing your buttons because you always tell him how much you love him

so he knows that is important to you so he is cutting off your ability to do that however consciously or unconsciously you know kids are like little scientist they're just does this work what we're going to have a heart Yeah, so he's like, I don't want anyone to love me. And I'm like, but that's Papa's job. Exactly.

Don't take away my favourite thing. Totally. So there is a sort of, there is a psychological war within that part of parenthood. How do you not either? My issue in those contexts, one of two things would happen. If he's like, I vow it, I would be crying, laughing. Like, it's so, how do you keep a straight face? It's so hard to do because obviously, of course.

You've upset him. And of course, the language which I use with. them day to day is like i've really just learned very recently that when he's mad it used to be a year ago if he was really angry with me i would make him laugh and i could bounce him out of it and he he just kind of yeah oh him and his sister do this thing where if they get cross with each other they will they will they'll blow out their cheeks at the other like like that and so the other one will and then they both can't help but go and then it'll make them laugh it's magical if i try and make him laugh when he's in a bad mood now nine times out of ten it will make him worse because he'll

start laughing and then he'll be furious at me for breaking the emotion that he's trying to feel. Yeah. Because he's genuinely feeling it and it's not funny. Totally, totally. And if I'm like, this sort of thing of, you know, whatever, that's the last person who said that to me, he died or whatever. You know, I'm just trying to make him giggle.

Yeah. And he'll just, he will laugh once and then he'll be furious. And Christmas day, two hours. He was furious with me for two hours right in the middle of Christmas day. What did you do? I tried to suggest to him that eating a roast potato would be good. You're a fucking friend sometime. We're not even trying to You're getting to eat veg.

You monster. You're not even trying to get to eat, you'll like this. It's a trick. Just absolutely lost mind. Why are you tricking him? If I don't want to do it. It doesn't want to do it. Wow. So how does he get out of it now?

Um, he, it goes through phases where it happens less often at the moment. And now I've realized never try and make him laugh. Given the time, say, you don't need my friend as a psychologist, gave me a great tip. She said, I say to him out loud, I say, you don't need me right now. That's fine. And I leave the room and I let him come to me. And sometimes it's like a white knuckle. It's been an hour.

and then a little note comes under the table. The note, what does the note say? I've got lots of sorry notes and like he'd, oh God. I love this child. When he's mad at me, he will often, he's got a little diagram. He does, he'll draw an unhappy face of himself and then he'll draw a heart with a zigzag line. Devastating.

Broken my heart. You know, so it's really... The drama. It's very dramatic. Catherine, we should implement some of these parenting things for our relationship. I was honestly thinking the same thing. Do you want some notes? they are right

I would appreciate some notes I also think that you could maybe not try to make me laugh when I'm trying to feel an emotion I don't know how to handle it I have to do the thing Is that like Is the rawness of genuine emotions

If Catherine's crying I don't know what to do She does this thing where she tries to make me laugh If that doesn't work She shows me a tit If that doesn't work She will be such a cunt to me Which always makes me laugh

Okay So when we did giggliss and I was like A little bit heartbroken Helen would come in Be nice to me And the second we'd go on camera, she'd be like, this fucking bitch is crying again. And I'd be like, I would just

tell you a secret. But it made me laugh. It worked. Hey, this sounds like you're going to be a good advice giver. Oh, I hope so. Would you help us solve a listener problem? Have you got one that's about cringe? How's your leg? Helen. The last person who said that to me

had a dead leg. Do you imagine if I had blood seeping through my jeans? You wish. I know, I do. I really do. She doesn't wear a tampon so she can be like It's an injury I've watched clips of this And I didn't realize that the screen is right there

I know it's mad Every time you look at Andrew The screen is above you You've got to look at your own face It's awful Hell, hell No, it really is hell But I like to check my hair

And Helen Ocation Occasionally gets distracted by yourself And then I get to say something Yes and I've got My hair goes in one direction And every time I see it I try and fix the bit And then I'm doing the wrong side

I'm making it worse It looks great Andrew we're looking at you Okay Let's have it I put myself on the screen, look at me. Yes. Oh, so much better.

Double Andrew. Go on, Andrew. Behave yourself. It's not as fucking fit. It's protecting you from the rain. It is a great top. So this is from T. Hi, T.

It says, Hi, Hogs. This podcast is total comfort and enjoyment for me. Thank you for being so open and nice. You're welcome. I'm nine years into a relationship. Whoa. I'm nine years old. I'm nine years old.

My life is irrefling room. My dad keeps trying to make me love on it. Okay, this is good. Nine years into relish. Yeah. We're pretty solid and I totally respect her and want the very best for her in every aspect of her life. However, I've been left confused about a future with her

after a recent conversation about gender binary. Here we go. Here we go. Absolutely my specialist subject. Fuck it out. Oh dear. I was a lot more feminine when we met and my gender questioning has grown over the past couple of years.

I've never expressed the feelings to anyone because I'm accepted as I am by everyone that matters to me. So I've never felt the need to. Last week, we had a conversation with someone about someone's preferred pronouns and the label of non-binary. My partner made some questionable comments about someone from our own community, which really took me by surprise. She met no malice, but I feel like I could now never have that conversation with her about my feelings and my own gender because of this. I feel a slight sense of relief at sending this email, because as I've said, I've never talked about this with anyone. I'm so confused. I'm in love with her, but not her values and beliefs.

My question is, would her opinions change? If it's me that's talking about it, would this open her eyes and give us the possibility to continue the relationship? Or is this a massive red flag and unavoidable change? Great. Interesting. I've got some key principles to apply here. What's the first thing that pops into your head? I have a thought.

Go on. But I actually think it'll be interesting to hear what Stu has to say because I think at the table, longest term relationship is, you know, you're in. And I think there's something a lot, to me, a lot of this is more about relationship and trust. Yeah, 100%. Then it is about... Well, I went out with someone for two months once, so I don't think it's just count my opinion. Sue, please, tell us for your thoughts.

You've got to be honest. You've got to be honest. You've absolutely have to have the conversation. And that's horrible and scary. Obviously, it's horrible and scary because you don't want to maybe ruin the good thing you've got. But you haven't got the good thing you think you've got unless you're being honest with each other. Yeah. So if you suspect, like I love the person but not the values, the values are part of the person.

The values are mutable and changeable and you can discuss them and talk about them. But if you're not doing that, it'll be this little thing in the back of the mind for the rest of your life. So no way, dude, you've got to, that's a non-binary dude. Yeah, I liked it. You have to talk about it. That's like if they said something, I mean, take the idea of the, whether it's about gender or what have you out of it, say it was something about race or say, It was something about religion, something that you think that you're scared that it might be a fundamental core belief of your partner. But if you don't talk about it, you'll never know.

And if you don't talk about it, you might never find out that actually they've got things to say about it that they're prepared to work through. You might have misunderstood where they're coming from. They might have spoken casually. It might be something they're able to get over. People change. So don't carry, like don't risk having the relationship that you, that you're, that you're, worried that you've got, keep on having it for 10 years maybe at the time. You're like, oh, secretly they don't respect this, like the other I can't mention it.

Maybe they'd be fine with it, but you'll never know. You've got to be honest. Such a good prince answer. I can completely agree. I've got a better answer. Before you get to that, I think, we'll have yours at the end, I think. No, mine's really good. Okay, go on.

Go on. I'm really relishing the dynamic of the lion and the lion tamer. It's honestly tedious. Go on. What is it? Mine's really good because you mentioned that you'd been questioning your gender identity. for like a long time but your partner might not have put any thought into it until recent like months or even this conversation so you've had a long time to think about it and

well it over but then other people are just forming like first gambling steps into an opinion they might be repeating something they heard they might have felt out of depth in the conversation I think that's like a really common thing when people say things they might not necessarily mean but they just feel out of depth and they're just trying to say something because your time and thought into it is not anything compared to theirs opinions do change particularly with topics like this that for a lot of people do feel like a new topic despite the fact they're not

it is new for a lot of people but you do have to be honest and I think I crushed it interesting that was actually a very good piece of advice also if you're questioning this one belief as the end of your relationship then maybe it's not a good relationship no I disagree I don't think being like worried that my partner who I've loved this whole time

might see me change and thus hate me start fresh start fresh that's intrinsic isn't start fresh tea wow stop okay here's my thoughts I agree that I think you will ruin the relationship

by assuming the worst as Stu says if you don't just tell the truth anyway I also completely agree it's possible that this person was speaking offhand I think that's really the issue

for me is I think you've set a test for her that she doesn't know she's participating in it's like here's a theoretic never test people when they don't know

they're being tested here's a theoretic for you oh you failed because they don't know the state so they don't know who they're talking about. And look, should you have to know... I don't know the stakes, I picture of stakes.

Should you have to know? I was caught up on the term a theoretic and I remember you're a debating champion that's why you should always listen to you. But I just think there's any scenario in which... I don't think you should have to know a non-binary person to have the capacity for empathy with non-binary people.

Oh, great. However, we also know that whether we like it or not, people are more likely to be compassionate towards gay people if they've met a gay person or if they have a gay person, their family, people generally can humanise trans people more when they have met or known or being friends with a trans person.

Like, segregation only fosters racism. We know that, like, obviously, empathy is born of experiential, like, shared experience. So I think, so there's, first of all that. So I don't think we can go, she's obviously on the wrong side of this. And it will, by the way, still hurt if she is on the wrong side

and then is more likely to come around to it because it's you, right? Like, it'll still be like, ah, I wish that that wasn't why, right? But I think it's very possible. I also think there's a possibility that, I think there's another scenario, right, where she has thought about it. No. And then you can go meet all of them in one guy. No, where she has thought about it.

Because I don't know, I don't know that you can be in a relationship with the person for nine years, experience their gender and not have questions about it. And perhaps she was expressing defense or fear of you changing. But it might transpire to be that. It might not be the, like, an issue is non-binary. It might be like, if you change, what does it mean about your feelings towards me? Have they changed? Do I have to change?

There's like lots of human fears here, all of which you have to have a conversation with. I have a question about the, like, the person that you're in the relationship with, if you change, also has the right to go. Do they not have the right to go? I sort of preferred you the person that I met. Yeah, and listen, I think that they can. My wife would not like me if I were bald, and it's a constant fear. Wow. Oh, short.

Wow. Suddenly, I creep her out. You'd be a great short bald king. I think I'd be a short bald king. I'm like, but it's what's inside. And she's like, yeah, yeah, totally. And then I'll sneak up behind her pretending to be shorter and she'll really freak out.

Wow. With all due respect and love to my short and bald kings out there. I think there's a distinction here, though. There's a distinction here. I'm being very facile about. No, no, no, no. I actually have been saying there's a distinction between affording you, dignity, respect and care

and not being attracted to you. Those are two distinct things, right? So, like, I love. I like to think that like in either scenario this person doesn't stop loving, liking, respecting or affording you dignity but may no longer be attracted to you and that is something that you, they have every prerogative to do but my goodness me, I think we're jumping the gun

because I actually just think you gotta talk to your girl. It's a conversation. I think we're all agreed. It's like you need to sit down and sort of like don't go in it with anger or be on the defence or assume that they're going to be sort of like defensive or not say the right thing. Just like find it in your heart for you to open up and sort of like chat them through. It must be hard.

I don't think we're not pretending that isn't hard and you're scared after nine years. Yeah, it's huge. But I think if you want another nine years out of it, it's got to be on a bedrock of... Agreed. And also, this person, bear in mind, has had, well, I've had the minutes it takes you

to say the sentences to think about it, possibly. So they're coming in, like, it's okay to maybe be like, I'm going to tell you this thing and then you have every right to go and think about it. And not give me your first terrible reaction. That's nice, Catherine, to allow someone like, bit of time, yeah.

Like, maybe you should talk to a friend before you talk to me. Maybe you should talk to it like there. Maybe you talk to your mom. People are so much better at this. The things that you're talking about are such a great expression of how much better some people have got, how much, I don't mean the discourse, but whatever the word is for people getting, what I'm trying to say is, I've had conversations with partners over the many years I've been alive that have not been conducted in as eloquent, kind of emotionally articulate

if a little bit of a way. But me too. Me too. It's not like... Oh, well, you mean it's easier when it's not your jam, you don't care? No, I'm saying it's much easier

when it's hard, like it's a hard one. Do you know what I? And also this is my wheelhouse, right? Like I've dated people of all genders. I have... Like, generally, I think the same stigma that applies to trans and non-binary people

now is the same language and nonsense they were using against gay people when I was growing up. It's just morphed because we have a new target. Like, it feels very much like the vernacular I'm used to if we were talking about it. an issue that didn't affect me, as we just talked

about, I would be more like, but I think, yeah, I just think you've got to give her benefit of the date, but also like, don't be afraid to be like, I'm going to leave this with you, or I'm going to write you a letter, for example. You wrote a very good email to us. There's no reason to say you couldn't write a great email to her.

I'd say one final... Did you CC her in to the... Just one final suggestion if during the conversation you do find yourself getting cross with each other, puff up your cheeks. both of you and just look at each other and just see what happens.

Listen, if it works for those kids, why not us? And also, you know, I think the other thing to say is, worst case scenario, you tell her who you are and she can't love you in the same way, you get to be who you are, and you had a beautiful time together

while it was what it was. Best case scenario, she knows you better, and it works better? Yeah. Pretty good odds, I think. Where was this measured Catherine when we were beating the shit out of each other? Oh, she was on a whole.

holiday. She was on an island playing music, having a dance by herself. Just to return briefly to the beating up thing. Are you totally confident I'm not going to be cancelled? Oh yes! Yes! I know my life totally confident. I put my house on it. I don't think that I

made, I don't think I worry that I haven't made it clear enough that the reason that bit, like I'm so lucky that I didn't put that bit in the show because I was an idiot at the time and had no idea of the number of people out there for whom that would be triggering in a kind of domestic violence. Oh no. Oh no.

No, no, no, I was, I was in. I was a hundred and ten percent in. It was quite clear that I was like, oh my God, I would have done your face if it was an option. That is not even a question. It's just that we pivoted quite hard there as you do on this. Yeah. Being fucking dick swinging idiots to dealing with someone's real. We love it.

We love a pivot. But also, I kind of think that's like I've done things like, I think we should almost even keep this part of the conversation in. Oh, no, I'm totally happy. Because I have learned things from saying things on stage and being like, and we've even had them go okay and being like, I will never do that again. Because the risk that I took there was ill-informed and crazy.

Like I've... But our intention was to discuss something that you thought about doing ages ago and then did it do and then we have some fun with it. But the intention is not to trigger someone and there's such a big different. Of course. Would you trigger warning the episode? We have like little notes. under episodes, I doubt that people would read it, but we can if you'd rather.

I think I'd rather would, not because I'm scared. Yeah, I like that. I don't want to be like, I'm incredibly confident, and I'm scared of being cancelled. I'm very happy for all this. We can. It can be in the blurb under the episode. It's important to me because, like, I feel like I get it now. Yeah, I like that. Let's plug your special, though.

Off the back of that. Oh, yeah. TV chat, let's just gear shift again in what's effectively a fifth in a series of handbrake turns. Thank you so much to shoot back, sir. Tell us about your special. Please tell us about

your special. It's so sweet and open hearted. And open-handed. It's called I Need You Alive and it sort of is accreted around my realisation that if ever in terms of my family, if everything goes according to plan, I die first. Right? That's now the plan, right? Because I know, you know, I need them all alive.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they need me alive less than they need any of the, each other alive. And I feel fine with that. And it's about kind of accepting it. And it's about, I'm sort of halfway through my life, if I'm lucky. And it's just about sort of recognizing that stuff. And there's some stuff in there about my friend who was told he had 20 years to live, which is fucking preposterous. What an insane number. An insane number. So there's some stuff about that. And there's some stuff about that. And there's lovely stuff about my there's some lovely, there's some very, very funny.

It's like all my favourite bits from two different shows put together and it's like it's been produced by 800 pound gorilla so it is a properly, I've produced my own specials before but this is like oh someone thinks this is good enough to take a huge financial risk. Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So where can people... I believe you. Where can people watch it?

They can find it. The links are at Stuart Goldsmith.com and it is that there is a worldwide online premiere which is a new thing. How exciting. At 8pm on the 23rd February 8 p.m 23rd of February that's so cool yeah yeah so at that time you can and you can part of your ticket you can get you can watch it live and I think there's like live comment like a chat box kind of throughout it and if you get the right sort of ticket then there's an after

party which will be a zoom with me cute oh you guys who are here from gigglers particularly 100% should do that if you're missing like comedy online that's the way to do it's really it's really fun I'm so proud it's very hard to describe to people what it is because it isn't a live streamed show they are streaming a pre-recorded and beautifully edited and perfected, honed thing, but that we all watch it together. The young kids will understand it. It's a YouTube live that's uploaded later

and then you can still watch it and see the comments come up as it goes. Yeah, yeah. So they will understand it, but my audience are not, they're slanted away slightly from young kids. Oh, they'll do anything for the little prince. When I do the mailing list shout out,

fuck me, I got a lot of replies going, oh yeah, I'll come to see it. Where is it? It's... Oh, the little prince that is true. Princes. My mailing the shower. Not in a scrum story,

my mailing the show out. Oh my God. No, no, no. No, it's lovely. Thank you so much, Stuart Galtz for the coming up. Are you atro? Make sure you go and see it. It's not really.

I'm lovely. I've never been so aggressively outroed. That was wonderful. Oh, God, I don't want it to end. No. No, no, no. Thank you so much for our executive producers. Simon Moore's Guy Goodman

Mary Fox Annie Tonner Sarah Harkay Deakin and Oliver Jaygo thank you so much Thank you so much You guys are legends We're so grateful to you

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