Trusty Hogs - Ep82. ASTRAL HOGS

Episode Date: April 27, 2023

A firm fan favourite returns this week as our wonderful psychic Penelope graces our new studio with an Astral Chart reading and Chakra re-alignment (Patreon Extras). Will Catherine be convinced by the psychic world? Will Helen find love? Will the podcast last? We cover it all in this very special edition of Trusty Hogs!MORE PENELOPEThank you so much for listening!Support us at https://www.patreon.com/TrustyHogs for exclusive bonus content, merch, and more!Trust us with your own problems and questions... [e-mail] give us a follow @TrustyHogs on all socialsBe sure to subscribe and rate us (unless you don’t like these little piggies - 5 Stars only!)Thank you to our Patreon supporters...EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: Simon Moores / Guy Goodman / Mary Fox / Annie Tonner / Sarah Jarque-Deakin / Oliver Jago / Stewart KerrPRODUCERS: Richard Bicknell / Elle / Richard Bald / Neil Redmond / Victoria Hutchison / Emma Walton / Karen & David Bull / Harald van Dijk / Eddie Doyle / Tim & Dom / David Walker / Rachel R / Anthony Conway / Sadie Cashmore / Claire Owen-Jones / Jess & Nick / Zoë / Jo Holmes / Sarah & Molly / Alex Pugh / Josie W / Amy / Cordelia / Raia Fink / Rachel Page / Helen A / Tina Linsey / Sophie Chivers / Graham Marsh / Emily Gee / Amy O'Riordan / Abbie Worf / Kie Web / Matt Sims / Luke Bright / Leah / Kate Spencer / Mae Williams / Tristin / Liz Fort / Taz / Klo / Becky Fox / AmieWith Helen Bauer (Daddy Look at Me, Live at the Apollo) & Catherine Bohart (Roast Battle, Mock the Week, 8 Out of 10 Cats)FOLLOW HELEN, CATHERINE & ANDREW...@HelenBaBauer@CatherineBohart@StandUpAndrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Usually we tell you what is going on in our lives. Usually we help you with your listener problems. Not today. Today is unusual because I booked the guest again. Yes. And you booked the same guest again. Our psychic Penelope! Yes!

So exciting. So please enjoy Penelope doing our astral charts. We learn a lot about ourselves. We learn a lot about each other. And I'll say it. I don't think I'm as am balanced as she said. You resisted all of the critiques that she gave you, but loved all of the compliments.

The other thing to say about this episode is that Penelope also realising our chakras. Which needed to happen. You've been saying for weeks your chakras feel unaligned. Yes, I'm always saying that. And so that is in the extras for our patrons. So please enjoy episode 82 of trusty hog.

Woo! Through the fog. Step forth the trusty hogs. Yeah, you're going to give them your problems and they will solve them or maybe they won't and that's your problem. They'll have guests.

and Andrew White on the tech Oh, it's Helen and Catherine as the trusty hugs Trust the trusty hogs Or maybe not Oh my gosh Welcome back to, well, welcome to the new studio But welcome back specifically

To Benelope! Yes! We're so happy you're here They're like, actually the room is like full of kids We're all just so excited This is so nice, how are you? I'm fine, I'm even more excited to be here. after last year, yes.

Oh my God, you've had a year! I have had a year, but this is the beginning. This, actually, now that we're out of Pisces, we're in Ares, time of your birth. Thank you. What does that mean to be out of Pisces? Well, Pisces is the 12th sign of the zodiacs. It's the end of the astral year.

Oh, so we're basically having a new year. Yeah. I love New Year. This is great. So this is your time to shine, ladies. And my time to actually give you a little bit of insight into where you are astrally travelling over this year. You brought so much homework, Penelope.

I know. And I've even written on it. you know, I've written on both of yours so that you know what the planets are about and I'm going to do you one by one. Oh my God. I think we could pretend that we're going to choose who goes first

but I assume it'll have to be Helen because of the way she's going to burn. It was the same as last year but I upset but she got so overwhelmed last year. Because you talked about her actual life and feelings. I forgot this. You got so overwhelmed. Are you more mentally prepared this time?

Why are we bringing that up? I am mentally prepared because we're doing where we're at, right? We're doing where we're at in conjunction with your birth chart. Now, these are your birth charts. So if you look at your charts, ladies. Yes.

It's right in front of you. Thank you. Also, you know, Helen's been doing loads of therapy since we saw you last. So I think she's going to be in a better place. Really? I'm doing a lot of therapy. I've been working on myself.

So if you tell me that I'm mad, then, well, you're correct, actually, yeah. But still, I'm in a better place. And are you doing talking? talk therapy yeah fabulous well I talk a lot you talk a lot yeah and um you found this helpful yes it's it's a journey it's a journey but yeah I'm finding it really helpful I feel like I'm really proud figuring stuff out and your 30s is the ideal time to do that because when you're in your teens in your 20s you're a bit young right you know and everything really hurts and it's all

about you and everyone's very scorched earth in their 20s yeah in your 30s a bit more balance I do feel like I've got a bit more like of a general view on stuff instead of just like a goal like oh my god this will fix or I'll just let go of it or I'll just move on but now I'm like no no you need to work on letting go and work on moving on and I'm definitely like this is just an interesting time in my life I feel like congratulations thank you I'm delighted

Catherine works on herself too I'm trying I try I feel like you've been doing really well with the therapy though I feel like it's quite a scary thing in some spaces to be like I'm going to deal with this thing that has been hanging over me for ages so I, you're very inspiring but can we talk astrol

Of course we can. Should we do me first? Yes, let's see you first. Now, we did your chart okay, this is where the planets were when Helen was born the day the day that everybody wants to remember

20th March in 1991 and so you were saying just a moment ago helen's is very, if you look compared to mine on the camera yours is very, like nothing in the bottom half and mine's much more balanced across the space what does it all mean, Penelope? Okay, well for Helen, okay for Helen and I'm mindful of your journey Helen

when you've got everything on the top of your chart like we've got it all on the top of the chart. Yes, all of the top of the charts, yes, Helen's very unbalanced. She's top heavy, just up heavy. I am top heavy. It can mean that you're very impulsive, it can mean that you feel things very deeply. Yes.

It means that you hang on to sleep. And you don't have that balance of, like, everyone's got their ying and their yang. Everyone's got their yin and the yang. All of yours is ying, the very little yang. But it does mean that you are a powerhouse. It means that you are unstoppable. Bit like a freight train going into Charing Cross Station and not stopping. I have been reviewed so many times like comedy reviewers referring to me as like a piece of like farming machinery or a freight train.

Like she's a bulldozer. She's a harvester. She's a train. Train is good. Because, you know, with the carriages and you're bringing everything through. So like freight trains, heading for those buffers and not stopping, this is the Helen that we love. Yeah. And this is the Helen that can conquer the world.

Oh, I knew it. I think, yeah, I think I could rule, like, dictator-wise. I think you could be a politician if you really felt like it. So do I. But not with this talk about capitalism. So, yeah, I mean, yeah. Oh, it's awful. It's awful.

Do you know about capitalism? Well, we do live in a capitalist society. I know, but who knew? Like, what I know now, but like... Did you just say, who knew? Who knew about it? Yeah, it's corporate greed. It's everywhere.

Constantly. This is only just occurred to you. No, in a couple of months ago. It's been a while, yeah. It's like, oh my gosh. Valentine's Day, Christmas. It's awful. So you're not going to celebrate those anymore.

No, I will. Not Valentine's Day. What Christmas? Actually, yeah, I did not go home for Christmas. When my daughter left school at 16 and she went off to college, she honestly believed that when you came out of, out of full-time education, the government gave you start-up money. Oh my gosh, bless her heart.

She thought they gave you like 30 grand. To get started, Benelope, they did. Rather than leaving you with a debt for going to uni. She thought that's what they did. And she was so upset when she found out that didn't happen. So you're entering that world now. Oh, my God. Okay, right.

I'm looking forward to my 30 grand. It's never going to happen. You didn't go to university. Yeah, but you get 30 grand when you turn 30 if you didn't go to university. Oh, is that the rule? Yeah, I think so. I quite like this utopia. For joining the...

Wouldn't it be lovely? Yeah, it would be... Honestly, sounds correct to me. More correct than the student debt we have, but at least... We're not going to be political today. We're going to be astral. We're doing the stars. Astral.

So, with Helen's chart, the top heavy chart. As we all know, Helen is an Ares. Thank you. First sign of the zodiac, the powerful ram. Thank you. All the climbing goats is called a lot. Focus on the powerful ram and not the goat. Yeah, we called her a goat last year.

Goat ram, it's the same thing. Powerful ram is like exactly how I would describe you in bed. Yeah, just head button guessing. Is it in? Is it in? I can't feel it. What does it know? What does it all mean?

What does it all mean? Okay, so what we've done is we've written down all her planets. Oh my God. And if you look next to all of this writing that I did. Yes. There are degrees. Okay. So if you look here,

There's degrees, there's numbers. So go on our Instagram now if you're listening to it and we'll put it up as pictures. There's degrees and this is how much into the zone that you are. Okay. And each, if you imagine a circle is 360 degrees.

You divide that by 12, which is the 12 signs of the zodiac. Wow, okay. Pizza with 12 slices. Yeah, pizza with 12 slices. Each little section is 30 degrees. Each section is a, you know, a 30 slot. So this is how many degrees that you're in.

Okay. Okay. So if you are a truly balanced person, person, everything would be sort of like between 10 and 20. Some of yours are much less, some of yours are much higher. That one says three degrees.

Yeah. Well, this one says 4.2. Yeah. 420. Let's get high. Okay. Okay. I love the Penelvie.

We're not doing that. Okay. I'm going to turn the sheet of paper away. She's incorrigible. She really is. So actually, although you're born under the sign of Ares, only you're in four degrees.

just over four degrees. Okay. So there's lots of other stuff going on in there for you. So even though you're an Aries, there's a big mix going on for you. Okay. Your highest thing is you've got Aries here as well

in your Mercury. So what we've done is we put your fire signs in. So because you're born under the, you're born under a fire sign. Thank you. Under those, put F, F, F, you know, for all your fire signs. Amazing. You've got five.

So actually you've got quite a lot of fire in your chart. I see that for me, actually. You see that for you. And your sun sign is your ascendant. So that's, that's, this sounds very complicated for you, doesn't it? For you.

For everyone. For everyone. No, I'm following it. Yeah, but you're the only one whose face looks like it's melting. Well, but I'll be trying to explain. Oh!

My son sign is in ascendance? Is your ascendant sign? So everybody, like this, this lovely lady here, the lovely Catherine, her son sign is Leo. Yeah. Because she's born on the son of Leo.

So your son sign is Arias, mine is Pisces. Okay. But you've got quite a bit of that because if you add the two together you've got 22 and 4 makes 26 so actually you've got a lot a lot of those Aries

characteristics but in different planets I was going to say like I feel like I am very classic Aries in so many ways like very fiery like very like sort of like ruddy minded like if I think it's that way then we should do it that way absolutely but you also have

quite a lot of other stuff in there I have to be honest Like your intuition levels in Neptune are really high. Thank you. They're almost 17%, which is over half. And for an Ares, that is enormous. And does that mean intuition? I can tell whether someone's like good or evil.

Yes. I can. You know I can. She's an incredibly good judge of character. My intuition with people, I've been wrong like literally twice, but in general I'm like, no, I'm going to give that one space. Which is excellent, but it also should make you good at making business decisions. and that's what you have to work on

because, you know, you've got 17% which is really high, really high. Thank you. Some people only have one or two percent of intuition. Those are the people that make thousands of mistakes and marry the same bloke 15 times over, you know. We all know. I've never had a relationship.

My intuition is too high. I know never to get in a relationship with a man. Whatever again. Ever, yeah. No, I've never had a relationship. No, you have had relationships in the past. Not properly. Not an official.

Not like a boyfriend to take. home but would you want one that's the thing I was hoping you were going to tell me well I will I will tell you quite yeah I will say so far you have to let Penelope actually do your reading because currently what I'm finding is that you're doing your reading okay I'd love to hear about you but I have only heard from you so let's find out I'm a freight train she's a freight train um in phoenix which is for your passion your emotion you're the love part of your life yeah you've got seven and a half percent well I say seven and a half percent you've got 7.5 degrees in and that means that you are and can be very reserved with relationships you can have a trust issue with people so if you were

going to date somebody that you really want to take home to your parents and you wanted to get married and have 17 children I would pick someone that you really liked as a person that was a great friend that had been a confidant for life I wouldn't go out for some random bloke that you met six months ago right swept you off your feet yeah Interesting. And I agree with that. Like, I would not want it just to like... Like a person you lived with, say.

Catherine wants me to get with my housemate. Really? What's his name? Sineal. Really? He doesn't let me hug him that much, so I don't think it's going to work out. He's on the spectrum, I feel. He is!

Oh my God! Okay, yeah. Incredible. Incredible. He is, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Does he know that?

Yeah. Okay, good. He did an online test. Really right. I'd be like, what a way for him to find out listening to your answer to her. No, also, my mum came up. over, like last year at some point and she gave him a hug and she went, oh, that was an autistic

hug. Oh, really? Yeah, and he was like, okay, Anne. Yeah, she would know. My dad's autistic and she hugged him a lot. Yeah. So what else do we need to know? What else does she need to be looking at for her? She needs to really trust them because you would be the kind of lady who would fall into a relationship with somebody, get all swept up in the moment and go, oh my God, the passion is amazing. Yeah. And then fall pregnant and then leave. I do think I could raise a baby

best by myself and you would leave not because you didn't care for that person but you wouldn't trust them enough to make your life secure baby girl okay so we've got to find you an old friend someone that you trust

and I have found over the years looking at people's relationships I do loads of relationship readings the best relationships are either polar opposites that attract where they still have their individual lives but the bit in the middle is magical. Or it's someone that you trust so much

that you know they've got your back more than anything. No, I think I'm polar opposite. Really? I really, I love that like ying and yang, like someone to sort of like do what I can't do and sort of like, and I also love that like independence. Like I really admire friends in relationships who can travel without each other

and like do have their own lives, have their own world as well as like, like they're strong together, but they're so strong apart as well. Like they, I like that. That is what everybody should have, I think so.

Because I think if you completely get consumed within a relationship and you don't know where you end and the other person begins, it becomes codependent. And then they get sick or they, they go travelling for work

and you literally can't change a light bulb. You literally can't. And it's not a comment on people are really close. I just think I need a lot more alone time than people realise. Do you think? I really do. I think people think that,

I need to be like with people 24-7 but I genuinely do enjoy like myself. But I also... That sounded like I just wank alone all the time which I do. You said what you said. But I also think you need someone that you trust because I look at you,

I get this vibe from you and I think that you are really great with people, really great with people. If you don't trust them, then the foundation's not going to be strong. Yeah. Because your intuition levels are so high. They are so high.

And also you've actually got really high spirituality. Thank you. I don't look at you and feel spiritual. I don't look at you and feel that you're visiting the synagogue or the church or just at one with your room and stones. I went to Sunday school for a bit. I hated it. I think everyone went to Sunday school like for a week or so.

It was the 90s. It was cold. Yeah, yeah. But it gave your parents the morning to have sex really, didn't it? So you're out of the house. Penelope, I do not love that version of events. Frot away, Anna, Michael, live your fucking dreams. But it's true, it's like the kids were out for a house

and Sunday morning. You know, and you could have like, sorry, my childhood's been ruined. Your dad's a deacon. He was doing the service. No, not then. Okay. Oh, yeah. You're okay, Catherine. Back to Helen. And your spirituality, please.

It's probably different in the island. Can I ask if the spirituality, could that be something to do with me believing in, like, ghosts and, like, people sort of, like, watching over you? I do, I don't, I haven't seen one. Do you feel them? I, yeah, and I used to see them when I was. younger but I don't have memories of it it's like it's been through people

telling me stories about me seeing ghosts and I remember being frightened really but I don't I couldn't remember it exactly see I believe that all small children all children have the ability to see and feel things that we lose the ability to feel and see as we get older and I think that every single person in the world has like psychic gifts but as you get older you kind of let it go because we go what are talking about. Yes. So if you have that feeling that you sense spirit around you, that's called it goes, it's spirit. Yeah. Then I would cultivate that because it could give a new edge to your act. I think it could and I definitely do feel like, yeah, like presences of people,

particularly people have like recently passed or like if something like coincidences. I definitely read into them more than other people would. If you, for someone that's recently passed, this is my, this is my acid test. Why do you think they're, stepping forwards. To talk to me. Just to talk to you, to be present. What is your viewpoint of why they're there? I often think it's just a goodbye.

Do you? Yeah. Like, you know, like, you're not often with people when they die. And I think people do spend a bit of time saying goodbye to people. Because my viewpoint is slightly different. I think people come through to speak to people if they don't get a chance to tell them everything they want to say before they pass away. if they pass suddenly

so if they're walking down the street and they're hit by a bus for that reason and also if they've got unfinished business unfinished business for sure but then they're just left wandering around for years and they're just left wandering around for years and yet well some people like to wander

they quite enjoy the wandering I'm not going to be a wanderer am I oh that's very freaky this is what I'm saying see Catherine's like oh Andrew didn't do the Velcro very well. Yeah.

I'm thinking that's a sign. Did you feel that? The thing is, it gave me such a shot. Yeah, because it's the spirit with us right now. Andrew, can you please pick as a sender? Instead of pivoting the camera up. You go, she comes to one of my seances. No, I want to so bad.

I did a seance in a graveyard last year. Oh, my God. What? What a great place to do it. I did it for like, um, midsummer's Eve like you know you know I did it for that and I did it live on my Facebook I've taken it down now because people got a bit freaked out and because on my Facebook I have like loads of videos that I've done of all content experience and it was

just like people got really freaked out and I couldn't understand why and then I watched back the video it's okay for now yeah yeah it's not making us look bleached out is it and like we need to go and put on makeup yeah because Melby and I are redheads and we want to look cute thank you and Drew I love that you needed that I'm sorry Andrew I'm like oh so what's funny with the lighting because I do care by the seance but I also care about how cute I am

thank you okay we'll take a minute to do your job again that's okay these are your things for soundproofing aren't they? Yeah yeah because when I moved into my flat

the lady before me she was a singer bad singer no shocking singer I've heard her on YouTube and on that's Spotify and she had put up all this like stuff so that no one could hear

how bad she was well I guess for her recordings for her special recordings for the benefit of the listener from a psychic her inverted commas recordings and like she painted but she left the Velcro on

no so I've got bumpy ceilings I haven't done anything about it because I'm just like a slattern when it comes to painting ceilings why should you so this is interesting I do I love the old friend thing

because like the idea of these dating apps for me like Catherine has been encouraging me like put myself out there and I hate it She's not a dating up kind of girl Fine, fine You'd be great for an introduction agency I don't know if they still exist

An introduction agency Canelaby! I wish they did! I wish they did! Well a friend of mine got married like about 1, 15 years ago ago and her siblings were so upset that she never had a date I never had a date

and she was a gorgeous girl but she found men really awful and she'd fall in love with this guy and she couldn't get over it It was 25 years later. And they signed up to this introduction agency. She met three people. Each of them were people

that she would never meet in life. The third one she married. And on her 47th birthday, she found out that she was expecting her first child. Holy hell. And then she had a second baby at 51. What the fuck? I know.

So now when I see her, she's exhausted because she's running around after two primary school children. Oh my God. And you're like, have you heard of leather trousers? because that's what my big project is at the moment. I know, it's like, it's just like, so they were very good. Yeah.

Or those like meet you dinner parties. That'd be cute. A friend of ours, her name's Lou Sanders, she's an amazing comedian, and she says that she feels like I'm going to meet someone at a gig. Really? Yeah. She was like, I think it's going to happen in real life, and I think you're going to meet someone at a gig,

and she's very spiritual. You know who I thought you ought to interview? Not that I'm setting up yours. Please, please. I saw this lady recently. she's her and her wife have got two children

and a lot of her act I think her name might be Susie Jen Brister That's the one Jen Brister I love Jen Jen we should have Jen on I think she's really good

Have we not had Jen on yet No we should We need have to get Jen on She's hysterical She's so funny She's so funny And I thought she'd work really well With you girls

Oh my God I love that you're Last time you were like Let me get your voice Everaged This time you're like I've got some guest suggestions I love it's back to the astral chart

Sorry, sorry, sorry, yes. Yes. So, so we're looking at your chart and where this puts you now, because tell everybody how old you are this year, because you've just had your birthday. Yes, I turned 32. Right, so 32, 33, 34, 35, 32, it's your number nine year. Okay. So in a 12-year chapter, which is how we work as astrologers, each year has an energy. So the year that you're born is your Aries year.

And then it's Taurus, Gemini. So this is your number nine year And your number nine year is a year Of infinite possibility It is the year of promise Okay It's the year of everything that you want to achieve You have to put it out there

And then you've got to watch the pieces drop Wait so if I've got like something I really want to do At some point in my career I need to put it out there now Now Okay God I've got emails to send You have emails to send

You've got to watch the pieces drop And then as the pieces drop You'll see a jigsaw of your life emerging I love jigsaws Do you? Yes. Are you obsessed? Yes.

Someone bought me a jigsaw yesterday and I haven't done a jigsaw for like 40 years. I'm going, well, the pieces are so small. Where are my glasses? But that's what you ought to be doing. So in your number nine year and you're literally just in it because you've just had your birthday. Great. This is the year where all the pieces are going to kind of click into place. But there are going to be bits in there that are going to be blank.

So it's like looking at a picture and there's going to be bits in it. They go, oh, I don't know about that. Okay. Not sure if that's going to work for me. You take those out. straight away. Okay. You use that fabulous intuition

that you've got, you remove those pieces and then you concentrate on what's left. I understand. So like all the... So like, whenever like you do comedy that you've got like,

I want to do this script, I want to do this, I want to tour there, I want to travel here. And it's like, if something's just not clicking, just like let it go. Walk away. Literally walk away.

And don't do it with... Unless it's a podcast in which is I'm able to stick with it. I'm walking away from trusty hugs. Just hold on to it. No. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right.

in her lovely shirt today, which I compliment. You do look absolutely amazing. Thank you very much. But wait, so is this also true, not just of work, but of love? Everything. This is your year for everything. What is it with your life? It's back where we wanted to be.

It's back where we wanted to be. The sense is covered again. We're good. The ghost is gone. So, you know, the wrinkles will not be showing today. No, no, we're fine. You haven't got a single. I know, right.

Well, I said to Helen, I was going to get my Botox done before I came, ran out of time. And getting minded on Sunday, Penelaby. It's a very tough time. I'm always in the schedule. I've been waiting and waiting. You will get to the redheads and their Botox in a minute. I have to figure out what I'm doing this year. Yes, so in this year, you have to, and when you walk away,

don't walk away going, oh my God, I'm so sorry I can't do that. Just go, it's just not right. Literally, you have to be harsh with the people. Not harsh, that's the wrong word. Firm. Firm and decisive. Understood. You can say, I'm sorry it doesn't fit into my schedule this year, but don't go overboard.

Okay. Don't go overboard. There's also a feeling. around all of this that I'm looking at. And I've got your characteristics here, Helen. Oh, my God, exciting. Yeah, very exciting. Are they all complimentary?

Oh, it's a mix. Okay. It's a mix. I love you, but hell me. So it is a mix. It's going to be a mix for this one. You wouldn't want me to lie, would you? No, never, but...

Yeah, so when you're doing, you're walking away, bearing in mind that you are quite a spiritual, quite an intuitive, open human being. God bless us all. You've got to channel that openness with others. So don't think, oh my goodness, I'm not going to say that because I could be blocking out work three years from now.

You are going to be in a very different position than you are now in three years. You're going to be much more picky-choozy, picky-picky-picky-choo-choo-chish-ish-ish. So it doesn't matter what you say. This sounds awful. No, but like it's okay to be honest and then to trust that you will be a big enough name

that you're going to be booked again. Exactly. I'm enjoying the interest of like last time when it was like, I need to say yes to more things. And you were like encouraging me to like just go with it. Just like trust. And I did and I did. And the thing that made me really proud.

And I said it to Helen was when I was lying on my sofa in about February or March. And I was flicking through the channels at 3 o'clock in the morning. What did I find Bowers Bar on UK TV play? We haven't even already spoken about that. I did a series on UK TV. and I went it's like comparing and she said

oh I just couldn't possibly be comparing I feel so out of my comfort zone and I did feel out of my comfort zone you were so good you were so good hey hey look at that full circle

okay now listen up to some mixed qualities and the thing is it took you out of your comfort zone but nobody would have known it took you out of your comfort zone and the fact that you know you're now you've gone from your eight year which is a hard work year.

And that's the year that you put things out, you really have to work hard. This number nine year is the year of infinite possibilities. If you look at a number nine like this. Wait, I said yeah. What's that? A number nine. Oh, you're drawing a number nine.

Oh, right, okay. The nine. Yes, no, I see it now. Well, I could have done this. That would have helped me, yeah. It's like a seamless curve. It's like a seamless curve. And that's what you've got to try and have this year.

That seamlessness of moving you forwards. and it can't look like hard work as much as you can be falling apart inside. And I do have a sense, actually, that you're, I'm not saying that you're an anxious person, but you can overthink things. I'm apologising, I have had the flu. That's fine, it's fine.

Well, cut it out. Will you cut it out? Cool, thank you so much. Yeah, maybe a glow on the skin would be good. You might be feeling really anxious inside, and you might be overthinking. You both have that trait. but you have to let the overthinking go

because whatever your first gut instinct is is the one that has to lead you this year. And it's always correct is what you're saying. 99. It's always correct. 99% of the time. That's true. You question your intuition all the time. Use that power that you've got to know when someone's good or evil.

Thank you. Use that power for other stuff. Hey no. So just don't use it for oh my God, I don't like you. There's something about your vine. but I'm not keen on. Use it for everything else as well. Also, why aren't you moving? What do you mean? Why are you not moving house yet?

What, to like live with someone different? What? Wait. Like buying a property? Are you? Oh my God! Okay, let's just have the sensor off. Okay, fine, go on.

What is like a heat sensor? Yeah. For anyone who is just listening, we're losing. We're going to cut the sound. Yeah, go on, sorry. I quite like that. It's quite a nice affair. I feel that it's time to redefine your living environment.

Really? Yeah. Okay, interesting. Fascinating. Interesting. I like where I rent at the moment, and I think I'm happy in it. I'm not saying you're not happy. Okay.

I'm not saying you're not happy. I'm saying it's time to rethink. You don't have to do it yet. Rethink it. Well, I often think that Helen, if she wants to buy, and I think she does in the future, needs to just think a little bit more about like how that, that's going to happen and talk through with somebody like who can help her that like

as to what the steps at least what like like I still haven't downloaded clear score I've never had a credit card like oh my god clear score is so depressing okay credit karma even is fine for you guys credit karma nice little carmic vibe do you not have a credit card no never so I was thinking maybe maybe what we have this coming maybe I can help a little bit or introduce you to somebody who could help like a financial advisor but I just figured that one day that I would just have a ton of money. Right. And I would just buy outright.

That's not how it works. Well, I thought one day I'd have a ton of money and I'd buy outright. And? And, well, we did have a house and then I got divorced and my house disappeared. But I'm never going to get married. Never say never. Never say never. And I'm still renting 25 years later.

So there are steps that you need to plan if you want, that's the kind of security. You're more of a security body machine. Catherine, we know she cherishes that security and I think that it's something that we're going to get to because yours is very different. But if you did want to buy property

blowing all your money is not the way to do it and I do think that you're not always as good with money as you could be. I'm not... You could have did be a lot for another. I'm not saying that you are overdrawn. I'm not in...

I'm not in debt but I definitely see money as something to be spent but see if you're not in debt that also affects your credit it's weird you've got to have a credit card you've got to borrow money you've got to all these things affect how people look at you as a viable risk

I sound like a financial advice I know but my intuition is that I'm just going to win the lottery oh no that's not going to happen but that really not for me no I love how seriously I took that is it definitely not you're not going to win the lottery you'll do fine financially but it'll come from you.

It won't come from some little ball going around in a machine. And me, Lotto? Much more likely. Yes. Okay, you know what? Fun for everyone. Fun for everyone. Oh, if I won the Lotto, I would give you a house deposit.

Thank you. I thought you were going to say a house. I was going to say, well, that would be a nice gesture. No, house deposit. She has to learn. My God. But now, I feel that you're, I'm not saying you're outgrowing your environment,

but it's time to up the ante slightly this is interesting because next week's guest is my housemate so I think we'll be we'll chat with him Oh really? Is he a comedian as well?

Yeah Do I know him? Samil Patel He's an actor as well What's he been in? Apple advert Apple advert How do you've been looking for a laptop?

Lots of stuff Like basically any any British sitcom that's come out and he's got like a little part in it Oh really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we love we need someone you trust,

how do you need to think about, and certainly financials you have to plan. Business-wise, trust your intuition. This is the big year where everything's possible. What else? I'm just going to go on her traits now. So these are things that were like written, my traits are things that were written for me

when I was born. Yeah, when you were born. Okay, we start off with a one-sided chart. Yeah. The moving things were released, by me. It's interesting. You become very focused on things that interest you. Things that don't interest you, absolutely not.

Like, if you didn't like maths at school, nothing was going to get you to understand that. I know how to use a calculator. You're what I like to call the creative bubble. Yeah. Highly evolved. Yes. I like to say that.

What does that mean? Everybody has a certain creative bubble. Everyone has a certain creative edge. Some people, it's more developed than others. Some people, it's what powers them. It's what powers her. Wow. I'm very creative, everyone.

She's very, very creative. You're so receptive to the things you like and so resistant to the things you don't. Like in this whole reading, you're like, I actually think I'm yin-yang for love and actually I think I'm going to want to listen. You can see both sides. Yeah.

But not often. Ooh, interesting. I mean, I think that you'll listen, but you'll go away and it won't have touched the sides. Yeah. Fascinating. Thank you for telling me your side. I will be forgetting that as I leave. You could be single-minded.

Yeah. And you don't like to fail. There is a real joy in failing. Like when you fail at something, you learn something. And if you never fail, you never learn. Yeah, last night on stage, I died a death. No, you did. I did. We talked about it in the extras.

In the extras. The girl does not like failure. Where were you? I'll never go. East London. Yes. Yes. I'll never go. By bail, big time. You can be very adventurous.

And we could say reckless. You need constant stimulation. So things that interest you and all the rest of it. So if the conversation is heading elsewhere, it's not always ideal for Helen. What else we've got here? That's literally every episode of the podcast. Now, now, this is the one that you're going to be challenged why I feel.

You need stability, but you really push against it. So on an internal level, there is this want for stability, but you do everything in your power to push it away. Hence, the lack of financial security and that kind of thing. We're not going to go to too much depth. Because you hate that. You can be incredibly disorganized. No!

I swear I'm organised. I think that in your mess there is organisation. Thank you. I honestly but I have that trait as well people come into my house and they go well where is it and I go on exactly where it is and I can find it but do not open a drawer in my house

because it's got I'm organised on things that I want to be organised with but when it's stuff like people go like just going back to this like buying a house thing like you just get a credit card and it's so simple you just do this isn't this and you just need to talk to this like mortgage broker and I'm like I

I have any interest in it so I'm not going to do it so it looks like everything's disorganised but it's because I haven't tried but if I tried if you try it well we're going to wait on that one ladies and gentlemen you can be very insecure

and we've covered this last year we're not going to cover it again but your insecurity is something that has to be worked on daily weekly monthly annually and it's something you will never be a person

that is not in secure but you mask it incredibly well thank you um and you know everything that goes along with that um you're also a lot more intelligent than people people give you credit so true so fucking true and it's not just she pretends to be a bimbo though when she's a really no me my friend actually talked about this the other day and it's like she's like i think people think sometimes that you're stupid because you ask questions when you don't know something but most people just nod along yeah but because i go like wait what was that but that's an intelligence I want to learn.

I'm like keen to low knowledge but if I just nodded along then everyone just accepts that everyone knows it but because I ask and then people think exactly so that's interesting

so cookie in the room she's so smart I'm like you're so smart you often know things you have such a wide range of knowledge as well if I'm interested in it but also you're such an auto

diaduct like when we were setting up this studio and we were thinking our Instagram needs work none of us do anything about it to Helen was just like oh I'll just learn and then she went away and read everything there was to read about it yeah because if she's like

she's happy to learn a new skill whereas I'm like I was finished learning at 18 the skills I have or the skills I have congratulations thank you which is weird because I dropped out of education so early but I was genuinely like it wasn't because they didn't like learning it's because I didn't want to learn what they were teaching well I think I think that's the way

the world is going it's never come out that way but that made so much sense when I do it does I actually think that's the way the world is going that's why so many people are homeschooling their children and they're bringing them back to basics because conformist education is not for everyone. I think it's for the minority, not for the majority. So we should take away education now?

Exactly. Close the school. Close the school, please. You're actually a very, very high achiever. And we like the fact that you're a high achiever. Thank you. You're open to change on the surface. That's just the ultimate thing, isn't it?

You're open to change on a Saturday level. You're very emotional. Yeah. Very, very emotional. Oh, I've cried. Yeah, I'm, yeah. But you can hide it behind a mask, the majority of the time. Yeah, I've definitely had a breakdown and then gone on stage.

You never let go of your desires. So whatever is a want, a desire, a real burning within you. Yeah. Even if 10 years are past, that will always stay within you. And you'll always get there eventually. I get that on every level. My friend mentioned Domino's pizza in front of me like four days ago, and I've been thinking about it every day since then.

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Everyone thinks I'm too confident. You've got a core of steel, but also... What does that mean? A core of steel, that you are invincible. I knew it. and also you're a lot softer and more compassionate than people give you credit for

yeah that's true I'll take that compliment those are such good that's all so accurate and actually I was going to say to you there's a massive difference in you this year than last year

so whatever you're doing to get there the spreading of the wings the taking the opportunities the listening to Penelope is standing a good stead I think it has been a good year and your last year

It was a lot of work, a lot of setting things up. And, like, going on my first tour. And, like, just around the UK. And it's just like, you know, first tour, you're on a budget. Like, hopefully the smallest audiences I'll ever play. But, like, it's, it was, yeah. And then this year I immediately started by, I took myself on holidays with my friends.

I said yes to, like, going and traveling to America. I'm going to Australia next week to do gigs. Yeah. Where in Australia? I used to live there. Sydney than Perth When you go to Perth because I lived

My ex-husband still lives in Perth No way What's this is right Well I will give it to you afterwards Random man's egg Is a house's egg

No he Because we came back to the UK We lived there for seven years Came back to the UK My daughter was five Because she was born out in Australia Fabulous healthcare If you want to get sick

I had a baby out there Marvelous healthcare So get sick well on there Yeah Understood Only if you've got time Listen, if you can work it in. If you can work it in.

And then we came back and then we ended up, he went off with a 19 year old. Here we fucking go. And I was 33 and he left on my daughter's fifth birthday. And it's fine. We're over that now. And then they went back to Australia, but he's getting divorced again now from his second wife.

Good. Yeah. And he's in power. Yes, but me and his current wife get on really well. She's coming over in September with her three children. Great. And he's being left behind. Great.

I love a moment it all works out like a full circle of gorgeousness I know wait so almost me but wait are there any final things thoughts for Helen any questions from Helen well I'm going to get to that when I align her chakras because there is one thing actually I will mention now okay I don't want you ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever to limit yourself because I have a sense with both of you but we're doing Helen at the moment that the best is absolutely yet to come and you so need to be focused on you and what is building your pathway forwards. I don't want anyone to knock that confidence which is why I want you to pick and choose the good stuff for you. And I do want you to be emotionally happy as well. Me too. But I want you to find the person that you trust.

They can be a polar opposite. They can be somebody that is so different from you but you have to trust them. Otherwise you will self-sabotage. It is snail, isn't it? my fucking housemate. No, it's not necessarily, Sunil. Is family nice? Yeah. I know them, but like, yeah.

Do they like you? How come you not met them and he's your housemate? Like... Do you not invite the room for dinner? No. Oh, my mum's only visited once for a coffee, like... Was she wary of sitting down in your property? Was it clean? Oh, she is actually very clean. She's very clean. You know that.

You should invite the run for dinner. Because you're living with their baby boy. You call him your baby boy. I do call him my baby. That is wild. Okay, look, look. I'm not going to limit myself. Oh, please limit yourself.

Okay. I'm going to figure this out. Please tell me about the mess that is Catherine by heart. Hi. Oh, my, Catherine, you've waited so long. This unbalanced slut. I'm very balanced. We have Catherine's chart here, and we're going to show it up.

Oh, my gosh. Look at that, Andrew. There is stuff everywhere on Catherine's chart. I wouldn't say it's crazy balanced. Oh, really. it's way more balanced than your chart. And it shows us that her ying and her yang are much more balanced than in Miss.

Miss Bauer? Over here. Now, what we've done for you, and I've written at the top, okay, I've given you, because I wasn't sure if you all knew that, but the top I've written down all the fire signs. Yes, great, too. And the air signs and the earth signs. In my appalling handwriting.

No, it's great. Well, it's the handwriting of the last century when you had to do cursive writing at school. It's beautiful. Yeah. And I've written it all down so that you can bear in mind what that means when you're looking at your overviews. Okay, okay.

When we look at Helen's, I'm so stuck on Helen. That's fine. When we look at Catherine's child, it happened. We see that she is a Leo through and through. Yes. Because, you know, she's 20 degrees in,

you know, over 20 degrees in. Whoa. The firiness, the passion, the emotion, the unstoppable drive that is a Leo is. temper. Well, I think that as far as hot tempers are concerned, you might have a bit of a temper, and I think you can let it go,

like you can really let it rip at times, but you're not irrational. You're not irrational with it. You can be, but most of the time I wouldn't say that you're an irrational leo. Okay, good, actually. Okay, so we're looking at that.

I agree with that. You put a lot of thought into your arguments. And if you look, and if you see what I wrote here, okay, what did I write there? Internal dilemma? Thank you, internal dilemmas. I didn't do your internal dilemmas, but, you know, you can do yours on your own. Okay.

You're only one degree into your internal dilemmas. Now, the thing about internal dilemmas is when you second guess, third guess, fourth guess, fifth guess yourself. And I know you do that, but your ability to see past that will always shine through. It will always shine through. So yet again, with the second half of this show, we're looking at people that are really focused on the direction they're going. and then Catherine is no less focused than Helen, but she does it in a completely different way. Okay.

Slightly more balanced way, I have to say. But that's nice that we're both focused. I'm interested in these two, 26 and 27 degrees, the big guys. Why are you interested in those? I'm just wondering what they are if they're such high percentages, high degrees. This is your performance and this is your rebellion. Interesting. Now rebellion doesn't mean being rebellious as a teenager.

your rebellion is against things that hold you back it's your ability to see past the obstacles that other people are putting in your path and going well actually no that's absolutely no absolutely no you're wrong you're absolutely wrong this is what I'm going to do and this is the direction that I'm going to go in I don't really like take a no for an answer that's fair yeah so you push and you push and you push and you push

but there's a lot of charm in your charge oh my god that is you are charming even during a rebellion you're very very charming you have to be if you want what you want Exactly. And your performance is all about your vision of your life, the direction that you wanted to go in, the choices that you're making and why you're making them. So the way that you navigate through your birth chart is very different from the way Helen does. Yeah, my performance is four. You do it with charm, diplomacy, tact. I would also say an edge of flattery. I'm a sycophant, Penelope. I'm a bit of a sucker.

That's fair. But you get what you want, and that's the difference. You get what you want as well. Apparently not. You take what you want, I ask for it politely. We both get it. You both absolutely get it. But the other thing that is interesting about your birth chart,

which I found quite, it actually stumped me a little bit, was your Venus, because, you know, it's just over, where's your Venus? Here it is. it's just over five degrees in but there's a real passion that lies within you there's a real burning desire to feel loved and to give love you're very

what's the word I'm looking at needy dashbra no you're very emotionally attached quickly I think Penelope can get this one thank you so much you're very constant and you're when you fall for somebody you fall like a stone and that's it oh this is so fabulous

and you completely immerse yourself in it but you do it in a way which is very, very solid and even though you might see the writing on the wall over and over and over and over again because you believe so much in that passion

you won't let it go and it intrigued me because I know I said roughly the same to you last year it's good for her to hear it again is it good for you to know it's good I think it is true I think I will often see the writing on the wall and be like well I have committed to this and that is what love is work and work is love. But love is actually supposed to be the

icing on your cake. It's supposed to be the, the sprinkles in the sky. Well, no, no, no, it can be a mainstay, but it's got to be the sprinkles in your sky that make getting up in the morning fun and enjoyable. I do think it finally is, Penelope. I do think it finally is. She's found a really good girl. And her name is Ellen. Ellen. It's also my sister's name, which is weird. And do you call her Elle? No, I call her Ellen. My sister's Ellie. Okay. And what does she for a living. She's God. Sketch. Devastating. She's

a sketch comedian. An actor mainly. Really? And a writer. Really? Yeah. Do you think can work out? I'm not unconvinced. I'm not unconvinced. I won't have to look at your palm and see where it goes. Oh, wow. I want you to. How old is Ellen? She's 30.

I'm 34. You're 35 this year? Yeah. So when you hit your birthday in the lovely month of August, you're going into your number 12 year, which is the end of a chapter for you. It's the end of that 12 year block. So we go zero to 12, 12 to 24, 24 to 36. So that number 12 year from 35 to 36 is your year of endings and beginnings. So it's your year of letting go of the stuff that doesn't work. It's letting go of the people that don't work.

It's redefining where you think your edge lies. Wow. I've been doing a lot of letting go with the people that don't work in a way that's felt like quite, I've been shocked by myself. like that's just I'm just gonna draw that line because yeah because I think I just I think you're very good at putting boundaries it's new though like my ability to be like this is you're being bad to me

like measuring people's actually objectively measuring whether or not somebody's being kind to me or like intentionally cruel yeah I think I've let go of a lot of that this year which is good but I'm interested that it's my 12th year because I do feel like I'm hobbling through life the minute really yeah like

I'm just like dragging myself to a finish line so I'm kind of glad to hear that. But when I looked at all your stuff in conjunction with you and the reason I didn't bring your current astral charts but I will email them

to the email that you gave me is because every day as the planets move things change so I could do you a yearly forecast but we'd have been here for like and it would have been like but we should do that we should do that.

Midnight and I'd have been dragging my weary bones home but what does it mean if I'm so ending and endings and beginning? Yeah endings more Okay, okay. And you've already started.

So that means that you're slightly ahead of the game. In your year 11, which is like you're dragging yourself through the end of your year 11, you're going into your year 12. It is about letting go of the things that don't work. And it's being very brutal with yourself. Not always wanting to be that brutal. Not always wanting to be that honest with yourself, but almost being forced to do it by something that's going on inside.

Like getting rid of furniture? Yes. What do you want from your house? Nothing's wrong with the furniture. I just like it. I wouldn't mind. Hey, you're not getting my furniture. She's got a lovely sofa and it's got this like little buzzer called like a thing you put your legs on.

Ottoman. I'd love that. Why don't you move into a new house and then you'll consider whether or not you get to steal my furniture. But you could buy something similar. Yeah, I'll send you a link. That would be great. Yeah, you know. But it's also a year where you might find yourself emptying your wardrobe before your clothes

or redefining the looks that you've got on stage. redefining the kind of image that you want to portray. Oh, like cut her hair? No, leave my hair alone. I've been done enough bad hair because it's last a year and a half. That's enough now. No, no, no, no. The hair's gorge.

Thank you, Penelope. I agree. The hair is staying. The hair is staying. You know, people go through that. It's like, my daughter's going to shave her head this year. She's going to shave her for her hair. Because she said it's something that you've got to do once in your life.

I got a curly fringe. That'll do me. That'll do me. I'm going to just, I'm going to leave my hair alone now. It's like her husband has. dyed his hair bright red because he's on he's on tour right now

so if you're doing the festivals he's doing leads redding download 2000 trees amazing is he to band yes what's it called graphic nature okay well check about

graphic nature amazing yeah of course yeah there are you might not like them they're screaming heavy metal if you're into heavy metal if you're into heavy metal

and go see graphic nature I'd go see that for some they're called the new I can't know what they cool. They're really famous people but I don't know. That's fine. We'll take them out. They're doing very well. They're doing very well. Good for them. Yeah. So yes, if you want to go to see.

But for you, it is about, you know, the reinvention of where you're at, letting go of all the stuff that perhaps has served you quite well over the last four or five years, but being quite resolute about the steps that you're taking and the direction that you're going in. There is also a sense with you of where you are now, 34, 35, between let's say 35 and 38 so before you turn 40 there is a feeling of concentrating more in one area than another going down one path where you're quite where both of you spread yourselves quite thinly over all different avenues and there's much more concentration in one area coming for you oh thank God do you know where that area's going to be well I don't want to say no okay oh I know I have to say go on say

there's quite a bit of writing for you but there's also a lot of what I would call TV performing great, great news I honestly feel like TV performing like presenting or presenting or comedy I see you more in like a

and you said your partner is a sketch show comedy which I'm assuming is those things like have I got news for you she does a lot of acting and a lot of writing and then they do a sketch show live but yeah is it one that I would have seen possibly not maybe probably not but she's I mean she's in

lots of stuff she's going to have been a big film next year exciting she's not allowed to say but so I actually the idea of concentrating on one aspect of our careers rather than being in every eight different directions all the time would be delightful really my intuition is that's a good idea honestly that's just I'm just putting

into practice right now my intuition says we should both streamline I agree I think streamlining is good but don't lose your core foundation I also can I ask question about me no okay I also wanted to point out

I also wanted to point out that you had Saturn Uranus and Neptune all in retrograde when you were born You had some retrogrades as well If you look at yours It's when planets appear to be going backwards Through the sky And the interesting one for you

Is you were born under a Saturn retrograde Now everyone's heard of the Mercury retrograde We've got one at the moment Where things feel hard work You can't get stuff done and everything's feel disorganized. The next big one that we go, oh my God, is Saturn.

Okay. And you tell me why you think people concentrate so much on the Saturn. Because it's your... Performance. Yeah. So when Saturn is in retrograde, you feel that your life,

your direction, your choices, your career is going backwards. So when you were born, Saturn was in retrograde. So it may have taken you slightly longer, to find your feet than you would have liked or you would have imagined.

I was 27 before I did a gig. Really? Well, we wouldn't believe that would be people at home. There you go. And it does mean that you have this ability, a bit like you were the Mountain Goat last year. It gives you an ability to never let go. So you're clinging onto the cliff face of the world

and you never quite you dig your heels in and you dig your nails in and you won't quite let go but that retrograde aspect that you had for your performance when you were born it means that yes

it might have taken you a little while longer but once you get there you literally explode where she is a freight train you just explode and it all kind of comes in one big lump how exciting and I just keep chugging along

but like a freight train that is unstoppable I have a question yes is it okay do you think maybe this is a lame question so financially I'll be okay

oh absolutely okay that's my like big concern is that I will die in poverty that's like my yeah but you have you have a family you will inherit money I don't have anything to inherit bless their heart apparently you're going to inherit

wow maybe my mom wins the lotto no but you're right it'll be okay and my other question is people have babies a 40 right oh god yeah all the time all the time I told you about my friend you had her first baby at 47.

Naturally, with no intervention. And her second one, after 50 was no intervention. It's probably going to take some intervention with me. She was just lucky, I think, or hyperfertile. Even if I was hyperfertile, I probably need some intervention on the kind of the gayness, I think. But yeah. I was, of course.

I was like, no, no, no, it's not how hard we try. No, what I was referring to is whoever inseminates you, however it's done. You're right. You're right. You're right. Let me hear my, I want to hear my... Your traits.

Yeah. I haven't quite finished you. I'd like to hear a little bit more. Haven't quite finished with you yet. You have slightly less fire in your chart than Helen. That's not fair. And that does make you a slightly more balanced person. But there is quite a bit of emotional water.

You know, because you've got some Pisces. You've got some Scorpio. And you've got them, I mean, your north node is in Pisces, which is your spirituality, which means that you're very open to all kinds of things. You're open to all kinds of people. You're open to all kinds of circles. circumstances and you feel the emotion of others quite deeply. Not as much as I do.

Not as much as I do. Okay. But Helen, it's not always all about you. Right now it's about Catherine. I love that you were trying to argue that you're more empathetic than me whilst speaking over Penelope and making you away. It's ridiculous. Go on.

Now, I also wanted to mention your Scorpio and Pluto. So you've got... Scorpio's are evil. No, they're not. 100% they are bad. Your transformation element, which comes under the planet of Pluto, for you is in Scorpio,

so it's a water energy. So your ability to transform and be mutable is extraordinary. Yes, it's 10 degrees in, roughly, but anything to do with water, so Scorpio, Pisces, cancer, anything like that makes you a very adaptable person.

And it comes under your transformation. So when you go through your transference, your transformation it will be a seamless transformation i wanted to point out to you both there's something at the bottom here called lilith which we call the dark moon okay and that's your inner knowledge your inner assessment of yourself yours is 10 degrees in which means that you are really quite aware of your flaws and your frailties and your abilities to fail and your ability to succeed and then when i when i look at how Helen's. She's so mean to herself. It's almost 27%, which means that you can get lost in that

ability to be hypercritical of yourself and to look at your, to look at your inner workings. Oh, poor little Helen. Well, she's fine. Well, I kind of think that, you know, your natural buoyancy overcomes that. Yes. But it does mean that, you know, sometimes for you, when you're giving yourself a hard time, it's almost like flagellating yourself with a whip, you know, and you have to try and find a way to let that go. Yeah. You do exactly the same, but you do have a stop point. You can overthink it, you can overanalyze it, but you do know when to stop, or other people will chip in and that will click you out of it. There's no clicking you out. Yeah, I definitely have learned into stuff before. Yeah. You know, but, you know, I would say to you

that, you know, as we go through the summer into the autumn, into the winter, into the spring of next year, you really are in a place where nothing is impossible. Oh, Catherine, yay! And that fine tuning of where you want to be, why you want to be there, the choices that you want to make, the decisions that are really important,

this is an ideal time to do it. It's an absolutely brilliant time to do it. And it's a time where if you push past your, at times, you know, natural reservations about new circumstances. She's scared of change. There is nothing that you can't achieve over the next 12 to 18 months.

But you have to be really focused. You have to be. Then when we look at your character traits, I'm just going to run quickly through Catherine's traits. Nice balance chart. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Vanelvie. You do have the intense emotions.

And I, it reminds me a bit of people like Van Gogh, like Van Gogh, you'd be Van Gogh. And people that get really, really consumed by their art, like Charlie Chaplin and, you know, various dancers like Nureef and Margot Fontaine, they get so consumed by their art that they let go of other stuff and you have that intense emotion for your creativity. You are much steadier and more reliable than other people in this room. Well, Andrew, I think you should be offended by that one as well,

to be quite frank with you. That felt very generous. you have a craving for stability, a real want. Oh, yeah, that's fucking bang on. And your creativity is well balanced, where you can go really overboard with your creative bubble. Your creative bubble is much more balanced. You can look at things, you can weigh things up,

you can decide what's important. And you actually have very little fear about saying no. You don't like to do it, but you'll go, actually, that's not for me right now. Last night. Yeah. What did you say last night? Oh, just for the first time in ages,

I just said no to somebody and they said they pushed back a lot. We're like, why, why, why? I just, for the first time in ages I just said, because I don't want to and didn't offer any further explanation and it worked against quite like a forceful energy. Yeah, yeah. And I was like

hold, hold, hold, like trying not to blink at the person and then they were like, fine. And then I was just like I gotta do more of that. I'm like not offering explanation just being like because it's not comfortable for me I don't want to I'm in quantifying something quantifying a decision always weakens the decision yeah and I think when you quantify something you say well I'm not going to do it because or whatever you tack on the end it gives people an in so just a statement yeah fabulous I'm delighted it only took me 34 years no because I don't want to you are led by your desires of the heart bang on

which are never overruled by your head, but then your head decisions are never overruled by your heart. So actually there's a decent balance in there. So when you're going with your heart, your head will become quite quiet. When you're going with your head, your heart will become quite quiet. And that is something that people go through their entire lives

to try to succeed at, and you have it naturally. So we're really happy about that. Congratulations. You love your home comforts. So, you know, I can see you nest building. 100% I always do. Yeah.

She nests for herself like she's a baby. Really? I can see you in anthropology choosing new. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're able to see through the haze of others. And by that I mean, when people put up a smoke screen of rubbish, you know, other people put up a smoke screen of me, me, me, me, me, you can see right through the middle. Yes, and it's so annoying. Like, if someone's trying to like pretend to be having a really good time and they're actually

feeling a bit shit on the inside, you go in with the like, we can talk about it later. And it's so annoying. And that is That's a gift And I think that's a gift In your profession as well Because it means that you can read a room quite well Yeah

And you can read a room as well No I really It's like having a small child And also you can read a room No I do think that's actually true I do think that's partly from being Quite sad for a long time And being quite mentally unwell

When I didn't have any sort of sense of what was going on, I was pretending a lot of the time. So now I think I can smell other people's... Yeah, not bullshit, but like effort almost to pretend to be something that they're not feeling themselves to be. But I think we're... I think as a country, as a world, as a, you know, people, we're turning a corner because from when I was young

and when your parents were young, your parents were young, if you weren't having a good time, you still had to smile. Yeah. If people were rude to you, you just had to... As a woman, you had to shrug it off. Sexist comments, oh, they're only being funny. Yeah. You know, people not quite coping.

Well, of course you can coach just pull your socks up. Yeah. Whereas we've gone 180 now. And I think we're validating the fact that not everybody is as strong as they might appear on the surface. Everybody needs a helping hand at some point. And being open and honest about it, it helps for you guys. It helps the people out there.

But also when people come and see you doing your work, doing your shows, they want a bit of upliftment. They want a bit of fun. Yeah. And so if you tap into, which you're brilliant. if you tap into other people's concerns about where they're at, it gives it a whole new level. So that's something that we're very thankful for.

As I look at your chart, there's warmth in all areas. So in every aspect, in every bit of this, there is warmth in every section. And that means that you're the kind of person that, even if you're stood at a bus stop, not with your resting bitch face, as people call it. and you feel that somebody is a little bit upset. You will always warm towards them

and you'll always talk to them. I said this last year. She's an anxious overthinker people. She is. She's a very anxious overthinker. Sorry. And we're encouraging both of these fabulous ladies not to do that moving forwards.

But you do it in different ways. You know, and your way is much more copable with than your way. So when I look at you, you have much stronger coping. mechanisms for that anxiety. But I think that's grown a lot over the last three or four years.

And I'm a lot younger than Catherine. Yes. Marginal. I'm only four. Marginal. You can throw a caution to the wind, but normally only when it's matters of the heart. So not with work, not with business,

not with buying a new house, not with moving. Anything else, it's really ordered, but anything to do with love, And it's like, you know, all bets are off. You're also very focused. You're also very intelligent. A trait that you have much more highly developed than Helen is your patience. Really?

Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, we're all surprised by that, aren't we? Am I more patient than like the average person? Because Helen's not a very good barometer. I don't feel that patient. I don't feel that patient. I'm in that phase when you want to be a teacher. And everyone's like, I want to be a teacher.

I'm like, you can't teach. You've got no patience. Yeah. I also don't think that Helen understands why people. people don't understand. Whereas you understand why people don't understand always. Yes, I know what you mean. Yes.

You're also a high achiever. We're liking the high achieving. But you do achieve in a different way to Helen. Oh, go on. No, go on. Let's all, we want to look at Helen and figure out she's gonna be balanced with her reaction. How do we achieve differently?

Both highly. Shut your mouth. You achieve like a freight. train so you're an unstoppable force, you achieve with charm and diplomacy. And the fact that you are a bit like a freight train means that it can be a bit stop, stop, stop, stop, start, whereas yours is more like an explosion. You get to a point and then it all clicks into place. You have equal levels of achievement in life. Maybe that's why I have to be patient, though. Well, I think you have been patient. I do. I think you have been patient and I think that you have, because you had a little bit of retrograde in that,

I think that you came to things slightly later, but it means that you have a more balanced energy for it. You don't have that rashness of a 19, 20, 20, 21-year-old. You have the maturity of a 26, 27, 28-year-old. I'll take it. I'll take it. You also have a core of steel. Oh, yay!

Cores and steel! Even if they try. And they do. And they do. You're also thoughtful and humble. Yay. I'm surprised by that. Me too.

You can be stubborn, but you know when to trust your instinct. So where your stubbornness can be a little bit pig-headed, your stubbornness is different. Your stubbornness is more from, I feel there's something not right here. I feel, I know that I'm being stubborn for a reason. You might not have to put your finger on it, but you know you're doing it for a reason, whereas yours can be quite irrational at times.

It's not irrational. It's based purely on vibes. And I feel it's very deeply. But in the world, you know, going through the world, going, oh my God, it's because I've got a vibe. That doesn't actually, you know... Yeah, people don't like it. No.

Yeah. Whereas you might not know quite what it is, but you'll know that there's something definite that you're going to be, and you will be able to put your finger on it. And you have a very, very, very soft side. I'm going to leave these few ladies. Thank you. You have a very soft side.

So you'll be all over small animals and young children. And, you know, you'll go to some goat farm. I love baby girls. And there'll be a goat that looks all sad and you'll want to take it home. I'm that goat. You are that goat. I would take you on. Honestly, she treats me like just a little princess

and sort of takes me out on trips and stuff. Well, I think that's nice. I love it. Do you have her for dinner? Does she come to you for dinner? Yeah, of course. Do you go to have for dinner? No.

We have takeaway sometimes. I've never cooked. Yeah, but you would if I asked, if I really need. I would. I don't think you'd eat it. Well, no. So it's better the way it is. No, it's nice.

Yeah, I mean, I can imagine that you. You set the table. You have your china. Yeah, lights a candle like dinner candles and stuff. I don't have a table. Yeah. We on sofa. And I also think that it would just come out of a saucepan as one big thing.

Yeah, one pot. Yeah. Rather than separate items of food. Yeah. You know, so we're... My baby goat. Your baby goat. But also when I look at you two this year and I will, I absolutely will.

It might not be today. But by the end of the weekend, I will have emailed you your annual charts. So you can use this in conjunction with your annual chart. That's exciting. So you can look at them, go, oh my God, my God, this is my month. This is what I really need be doing this. It would be good to know, like, which sometimes, like, I think, any job. You both have good summers, actually.

You both have good summers. Do it. Oh, we love to hear it. I feel like we needed that. We love to hear it. I think, I mean, you said that things are feeling a bit hard work. You both, it's not that you're on dips, but you both feel as though you're like this right now. And then we have to go like this.

Woohoo! Oh my God, how exciting. This is great news. Shall we chakra? I think I should shakra. La chakra. La chakra. Oh my God, Fenelty.

That was amazing. Round of a blog for Vanelty. I've got one more question. I'm sorry, what is it? Just, but no, no, no. I'm just, because I'm going into wrapping up and Catherine's going into starting up, how does that, do we have to work on our communication

working together going forward? No. As fairness, does it matter? The thing about you two, is your weaknesses and your strengths and your weaknesses and your strengths and they complement each other. Thank God.

And this is like, this is almost like people that go back year after year to do one Shakespeare play. They go back year after year to do one Ibsen play. They want to keep their roots. And I think this is a lot of your roots. That's so nice. Yes, you're going in different directions

for some things, but not for everything. Oh, I like that. Now I feel better. Now we can do a random applause for the elevator. Yay! That was amazing! Oh my god! Thank you.