Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash - Best Of 2025: Chontel Duncan, Becky Lucas, Sassy Scott plus more!

Episode Date: December 28, 2025

Before we bring in 2026, we want to remind you of how great 2025 was! Chontel Duncan - Son’s close call to drowning and shares the importance of pool safety during summer. Becky Lucas – The comedian's struggle to come to terms with her son’s heart condition. Ben Tate – Ben Tate shares the rollercoaster of the day his daughter Zara was born. Sam Frost – During her labour experience, Sam's partner Jordy asked for a Panadol! Hugo Toovey – The confronting truth of planning your son's life without you in it.  Sassy Scott – 6-year surrogacy journey that led to becoming a father to twin boys. 2025 Raunchy Ranch Calendar IS OUT NOW!  https://budgysmuggler.com.au/products/two-doting-dads-raunchy-ranch  Buy our book, which is now available in-store! https://www.penguin.com.au/books/two-doting-dads-9781761346552  If you need a shoulder to cry on:  Two Doting Dads Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/639833491568735/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheTwoDotingDads  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twodotingdads/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twodotingdads  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to Two Doting Dads. My name is Maddie J. And I'm Ash. And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is the good. It is the bad. And the relatable. And we don't give advice, but our guests do give advice.

Sometimes. And this happens to be a best of guest episode because Ash and myself, we deserve a bloody break because we work hard. Yes. We've moved on from the Bahamas. Where have we moved on to South East Asia? This is lovely. Is that the Philippines?

Oh, yeah, sure. Why not? We're putting Philippines on the list of places to visit. It's, this is North Korea, actually. In this episode, we do talk to Shantel Duncan, which her son had a close call with drowning. We also have Becky Lucas struggling with her son's heart conditions. Ben Tate, you might remember him from Beninzara. And he had an incident where he almost missed the birth of his child because of an international ad that he was on.

We also have Sam Frost, along with Hugo Tuv, which is an amazing story. and we finish it off with one of our close and personal friends of the show, Sassy. Can we call them a closer personal person? Yes, I will. And I'll continue to forever. Can we call them that? I comment on all. I'm like that weird person.

There's always one or two people who comment on every post. Oh, they're talking about you behind you back for sure. And every time they post anything, I'm like, that's so funny because you guys are hilarious. But Sassy Scott, one of my favorite episodes, he is in a same-sex relationship. So he talks about the very long, difficult journey to surrogacy and becoming a dad. Let's get into it. Let's do it. We have been speaking to a lot of experts lately, Sam, about childbirth and what dads can do in that environment.

Was there anything in particular that Jordie did that was very helpful? and if and if there doesn't have to be we were to be honest Ash and I were both a bit average yeah we'd call it at the same time was there anything that he did that you were like probably wouldn't do that again so Jordy while I was and Jordy we love you again but he asked for a cigarette while I was in labour obviously my body is going through a lot let me just emphasise that we'll just preface that we've done a tens

machine so we get we get it we're brave okay we are brave men that is so that was a joke that was a joke yeah i know no no but we got to be like how dare you but it's true we did do a tens machine and like we couldn't hack that level 10 yeah oh well 15 we got to 15 you guys must know exactly what it's like oh yeah the whole yeah but yeah jordie had a headache so oh the poor guy and i was like oh you know obviously in the thick of it and I was about said Ted and Jordy was like

I hate to be that guy but I've got a killer headache and I'm just like you kidding and he's like can you give me some pattern and what about me

I know and I still give him a hard time about that and is you regret asking he's heard me talk about it and he goes well I didn't want the moment meeting my son ruined by a headache Which fear?

I know this is a bit of a traumatic one. It's probably every parent's worse fear. Yeah. But it involved the swimming pool. Two years ago, pretty much, in a couple of weeks, it would be two years to the day. That, yeah, that was, you just, you know it's a possibility. You know how to protect everything. do everything by the book but there's things that you cannot control and one for us is the fact

that we have older there's more than one child we could be as safe and shut front doors shut garage doors shut pool gates fix things put things away but you can't see what the older ones are doing and what they're forgetting to put away or what they're forgetting to check all the time and yeah that that was the 22nd or 23rd of December. We were prepping the house. Sam and I were running around like headless chooks while the twins were sleeping or not crying and trying to clean the house

and get it ready for all our family to come over. And I just remember seeing Paris, our third child. He is the bravest kid. He literally has no fear. And this is how it happened. This is the issue. Our boys are so boy. and they have no fear. And I remember watching him jump on the trampoline. They do it after

they go for a swim to dry off and they call it like being a lizard. They lay down on the mat on the tramp and they're all jumping. And then I remember looking back and he wasn't in the trampoline. And he's so loud. So you know where he is. And I turned and I noticed that the pool gate was slightly opened. There was a toy in the way, like a seat thing. And I just remember dropping my phone and then walking close I couldn't see anything in the pool

because he was so tucked up against the wall and I remember walking and I saw the head and I just screamed like bloody murder Sam's name it was like the worst

like exorcism voice that came out neighbors everyone heard it I jumped in grabbed him and he was just dead flop like complete flop oh my God

my husband came running out and I almost just like dropped him into his arms and then he's screaming cool the end call the ambulance. And I couldn't find my phone. I didn't know what I did with it. And so I'm running inside trying to check everything and couldn't not find a phone and he's yelling, call the ambulance as he's applying to performing CPR. And then I find it. I call them. And by

the time the answer, I turn around and Paris is up. And Sam's holding him and he's just like crying, but he's like fine. Yeah. So I'm calling. I'm telling them what's happened. Da-da-da. They they're coming straight over. We were able to check the camera footage so that we could tell them exactly how long he had gone under for. And also for the council, they come and they check for negligence. So, you know, we had everything to make sure that our, we were to the strict Queensland safety guidelines, like our pool and everything, like, you know, it wasn't our negligence

and how that happened to the child. And he was under for two minutes 10. Fuck. Far out. So long. Like goosebumps. Yeah. That.

And he was only two. Two years old. He was tiny. He blacked out at one minute, 20. You can see him just give up. I couldn't watch the video. Sam sent it to me when I was in hospital, but I didn't watch it. But he watched it.

And I don't think I'll ever watch it, to be honest. But we went into hospital. They did all the checks. They did all the scans. And they come in, and this is the end of our journey there. We stayed overnight. they're like, okay, the report is there is not one single thing wrong with your son. We can't find a single thing.

He has blocked his, he's like completely blocked so no fluid went down. Nothing went in his lungs. He's not at risk of pneumonia, anything. There's like temperature on your child. There is nothing. He's passing all the like neurological tests and things like that. I'm assuming they're kind of saying this. They're like, that's a miracle.

Yeah. Oh my God. And it didn't take any way. water in to his lungs? Nothing. His body just locked it. Is it like a muscle contracted or something? Yeah.

It's just suffocated like. It doesn't normally happen and definitely not at that age. We walked out of that hospital, literally both just walked out of that hospital and they're like count your blessings and Merry Christmas and I was like. Holy shit. Did you like board the ball up after that? I would have like concreted the bull up. Oh my gosh.

We were like and we didn't have to tell our boys because they were shocked. They were, they saw the whole thing. Yeah. We went straight online and I was like, if there is one thing that I can do to try redeem this situation is everyone's going to be around a pool for Christmas with their friends and family and they're all going to drop the ball. They're all going to turn a blind eye. They're all going to be more relaxed.

They're not going to think about what the older kids might be doing. And so we went online and we just spread, we like fully spread the awareness of you need to watch pool gates. you need to be on the ball, you need to allocate someone to consistently watch the kids in the pool and check the gates. Shantelle. And just like, yeah. You know, if it makes you feel any better.

But when Marley was really young, we only had, I think Lola might have been a newborn. At our old house, we had a little paddle pool. And stupidly, we know not to fill it up any high than like ankle deep water, but we filled it up really high. We had friends over. and it was one of those situations where you're kind of entertaining you got friends over Laura and I kind of got lost

and who's looking after Marley we had a front and a backyard the paddle pool was in the front and it got to a point where we said where's Marley and we were looking around couldn't find her and luckily she was just too small

she was trying, she'd been trying to climb into the paddle pool which was filled up like she and she was only you know she was crawling at this stage and you know we think gosh it's so easy to just

lose them for a split second. And you mentioned before, you're like two minutes 10, that's a long time. But you think, gosh, it could have been, could have been so much worse. Oh, yeah. It's just like things can change in an instance. And you just never ever want to take away the joy in each day and the opportunity to have each day. I think that's what really brought us closer as a unit is like it might be really hard to

have five kids, but we would never. change it for the world. It was weird because, yeah, in so many ways I had a, you know, he was a normal baby and but I just could not enjoy it in the same way. Yeah. And I, like, really, it feels like life has started now. Yeah. So the lead up to the surgery, not knowing when it's going to happen, I suppose they

said it's like six months. Yes, but then we did lock it in. Okay. So after that hospital stay, the surgery was like, let's just lock it in. We'll do it. And the lead up is just, I mean, I lost my mind. I was just, like, I would have. walk around crying, weeping in public.

Like, I don't know, I just, it was just so sad. Sorry, I'm going to cry now. No, no, please. Tissues. It's so funny that I was talking about being, having come. But, yeah, it's, it's like, it's, oh my God, it's so embarrassing. Don't be embarrassed at all. I mean, yeah, obviously it's a sad topic, but he's really good now.

Like, he's really, he's really, he's really, He's actually already lifting. Oh, good. He's on trend, so it's fine. Other than you waiting for surgery or is it normal, like everything is completely normal? Well, they tell me like this, they're like, yeah, he can do everything. He needs a check-up every year, though, for the rest of his life. Okay.

And he will need, when he's older, like when he goes through puberty, they will need to put another valve in. That's the main thing, but the surgeon seems to think that they won't have to do open heart again. that they can do most of these things via catheter. So I'll always worry. Like I'll just always freak out and he's so active. And sometimes I'm like, just chill. And just chill out. Don't get your heart rate up too much.

I just want him to be a ballet dancer or something. I want him to be athletic but like not contact sport. Yeah. And I'm just scared that he was going to want to play rugby. Because there's a famous, you do know Sean White, the Olympic snowboarder. He has Tetralogy a fellow. Really? Yeah.

So he needed like three open heart surgeries before the age of five or something. And he's like flying in the air like 20 feet out of a heart pipe. Yeah. Yeah. And like he, you know, did football and like, they can definitely do apparently what every other kid does. And you're like, I will not tell George that. I'm like, sorry, George. I know.

Reading? Yeah. I'm like, you're going to just live with mummy for it. What is it like, you know, when you go through that traumatic experience as a parent and you come out the other end, And we spoke before about the fact that parenting is amazing, but those amazing moments are matched with moments where it's exhausting. It's relentless. Yeah.

It's so bloody hard. Do you ever get guilt where you're like, you're like, I, you know, I thought I might lose you. Yeah. And you're just pissing me off. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And then that's even harder because I'm like, I'm not even allowed to have the normal

experience of being pissed off at your kids. Yeah. It does feel like I. was it almost the different ways in which I feel I've been robbed emerge like I don't even I wasn't even prepared like he's he's not a great sleeper but only because we are you know for the first six months of his life they said don't let him cry too much because he might go blue yeah and lose oxygen and then he has his heart fix and they're like yep he's good his heart's like fixed you can let him scream his head off but that's a very hard thing for us to do we don't

want to do that. So because of that, he just runs rings around us. Like, we just do whatever he wants. Like, yeah, which, you know, probably isn't good for him. Like, I know that I need to teach him to sleep and that will require me, like, dealing with my own anxiety around his health for his own sake. But that's just really hard to do. Oh, totally.

And, yeah, I just feel angry sometimes that I can't even do. I can't do that. How was it for you from when the water's broke to when you ended up in hospital? Wow, okay. So around two months before, so we found out Lisa was due on the 14th February. And two months before I went for an audition

for the lead in an international TV commercial. So we found out that Lisa was due with our first born on the 14th of February. and two months before that, I went for an audition for the lead in an international TV commercial. And when you go for an audition, you sign a thing where it says, do you have conflicts for any conflicts for the following dates? Fourth, fifth and sixth of February.

And I just thought, no, I don't because... You don't want to make it sound that you're difficult to work with or give any reason why you shouldn't be picked, right? For sure, but also, I'm going to sound like a numpty, but I didn't think that our baby would come early. Yeah. Right? Yes.

And I just genuinely was just like, was due on the 14th? Yeah, you think that's the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did in that moment. And so 4th of February rolls around. I need to be in the eastern suburbs, was living in the northern beaches.

I get up at 3.30 in the morning. I have to be there on set. Oh, you booked the job. I booked the job. I booked the job. I booked the job, which was awesome. Great. Congratulations. Thank you. You know, new family, young family, all that sort of stuff.

It was a good earn. So I was stoked. Wake up at 3.30 in the morning on the 4th of February to get ready to be on set at, I think, five, quarter past five or something. And Lisa's not in the bed. And she's in the bathroom with the door closed, which is weird in itself. And then I've gone, you're right? And she said, I think so.

my water's broken jack so I opened the door super excited and then in the absolute moment that you do not want to make it about yourself I've gone holy shit

I've got to go to this thing because I've been in the industry since I was a kid I knew there could be legal ramifications if I don't turn up and you know TV that's the thing. Time is money.

Yeah. And it was an international thing. So all these people had come over from overseas. It was like, it was a big thing. Sorry, my son is here. It was a massive thing. So I said to listen, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to call my sister Carly.

Carly had actually helped a couple of people give birth. She's a freak of nature. She's amazing. Not a midwife? Not a midwife. O.T. Occupational terrorist. Just a hobbyist midwife. Yeah. Like, seriously, she loved it.

And I said, I'll call Call Call Callie. She lived 10 minutes away. I'm going to get Carly to come. She takes you to the hospital. I am not going to miss this. I'm going to go there. I have to front up. We could be in a lot of trouble if I don't talk to them.

I'm going to front up, tell them what the go is, but I'm not going to miss it. I will make it. I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to do it. So my sister came, we're all, it's all good. It's all good. The guilt that I had was, mate, to this day, I still feel a bit sick about it.

Anyway, I'll get to set. And I spoke to the head of production, and they were livid, filthy. Are you? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What? Can't it wait?

Just that, well, because I'd signed the thing, and I hadn't told them, it looked like I was pulling a Swifty. And I absolutely wasn't. And I just said, I'm so sorry, but I'm not missing the birth of my first child. Yeah, totally fair. Yeah, you know, TV, anyone's production, whether it be a TV commercial, it's the most important thing in the world.

Totally. For them, right? And I get that, but I couldn't do it. So it threw everything into a tailspin. And they said, look, we're going to try and film. Oh, well, fortunately, the first assistant director had his wife had just given birth to there first, about three weeks before. So he was really connected and in tune with it.

And he came up to me and said, mate, I'm going to do everything I can to get you out of here. Let's film as much as we can. You stay in touch with your sister, get updates, and we'll go from there. Mind you, I had to speak to the camera. So I was doing monologues and doing the whole bit. So anyway, fast forward.

Mine's a bit preoccupied. Yeah, just a bit. And so I'm sitting there, I'd say, if you want to do-da-da-da-da-da-da-da and then cut and then I look at my phone okay we're okay at the moment and then action and do it again and I'll never forget this lighting guy he was an older bloke he had three kids and knew the drill and he goes I'm Ben do you know how many centimeters dilated she is and now shout out to the Montevale Hospital birthing classes.

I didn't listen to this. And I went, oh, I don't know. Then my sister pings me and says eight centimeters dilated. Is that big? That's the one. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, that's. We should know that.

We should know that. I feel so much better having you guys say that. So then I've said eight centimeters to old mate, and he goes, oh, shit. And I went, oh, is that close, is it? He said, dude, that's close. And then the next text was in capitals. She's coming. We knew having a little girl.

So I've told Seth, and that's right. It's an eastern suburb, Sydney, De Monoval. That could be an hour drive. This is peak out, me. This is, I think it was 7 o'clock by this time. And 7 a.m. And they've gone, go, go, go, go. But you've got to come back, just go.

So I've ran barefoot, jumped in the car. And, yeah, I'm not proud of this, but I did speed. And I got a speeding fine in the tunnel, which was later on retracted because I proved everything, which was quite. That's pretty cool. I didn't even do that. Yeah, and some people don't get away with it that day. I've got someone that was.

How good. Maybe they had the same thing happen to them, but they were lovely. So thank you to New Southwark, government. Yeah. Yeah, so, and I try, I'm on Pitwater Road and my sister's going, hurry up, hurry up. And a police, I was in the right lane and a police officer was in the bus lane pulled over. And I'm trying to flag them, I'm beeping at them. He's looking at something on his monitor in the middle of the car.

And the one time I want a copper to look at him on road, he did not flinch was I was beeping Because I'm thinking, escort me, escort me. So doesn't flinch. So I'm in and out of cars. And it's like one of the worst roads to be. And the potholes on that fucking road are unbelievable. No, ridiculous. And so I'm using the bus lane.

I'm doing everything I can. I get to turn right into Monabhar Hospital. And I'm beeping, flashing lights at the red light and going, I'm going, I'm going. Like, complete melodramatic, want-to-be actor. Anyway, so I've done it. I've gone the red. I've ran in, no shoes on.

Where are you? Where's the wife? Making a complete scene, unbeknownst to me, my sister, my beautiful wife, Lisa, and the lovely lady, the midwife were in the zone. They were in a zen-like state. And I run in and go, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. And they were only changed the mood. Yeah, yeah.

And they were not that pleased. The midwife thought I was a jerk because why had I missed the first couple of hours, I think? Anyway, she, the midwife goes, slow down. And Lisa and I both looked at her and went, who are you talking to? And she pointed square at me and said, you. And I went, so held her hand, did the thing, three pushes, and little Zara Tate was born. with Teddy, obviously you want to try and, like you said, be upbeat and be like, no, I'm going to beat this.

This is not going to get me. But then like, at what time do you start planning about not being around for Teddy? Yeah, it's a tough one. Things definitely change when you're a parent. Yeah, that's you thinking about this. last night giving him a bath. There's a first time I've actually really thought about this and I haven't told this to Amber yet,

but giving him a bath last night and he was just really happy and smiling at me and he doesn't know what's going on. And then going into this major surgery, I think, shit, how, you know, things don't work out or my health doesn't go to plan the next six months plus, How's Amber going to raise him and how I'm not going to be there for him? And it was the first time I had these thoughts last night.

And it's a really tough one. But the thing is he doesn't know what's going on. And I think in a way that makes it easier because he doesn't know that dad's sick or dad's not feeling well. He just wants dad to give him a bath and read him a book. And I think that joy is a good distraction. But it's something that until very recently I haven't really thought about. And it's not true you have a kid, your whole everything, changes. Perspective. There's more to life than you. And for me, it just, I guess,

in a way, it gives me the ultimate motivation to get through it, to be there for him, to recover as best as I can. You know, even the decision of having this big surgery is a major decision. But I thought, you know what, I'm bloody good at changing his nappies. I see to change another one. One thing that doesn't worry me is poo. So, you know, I thought, you know what, it's just a bit of a life adjustment. It's another major surgery. Yes, there are other unknown. I've got such a small bow now, but there's only so much bow you can live with. So there's always those risks. If I keep having bowel obstructions or keep going back here and they have to take more bow,

there will come a time where it's like, geez, you can only live with so much bow. So there are things that I just have to constantly think about. And being the father's being the greatest thing I've ever experienced, and he does so much for me at such a young age and he's so small, but he gives me a boost that I can never get from anything else. There's something kids can give you that you can't. get from anything else. Exactly.

And it's crazy to think that at some point over the, whether it's the little while that he's been alive that you've had to have those thoughts of this kid could potentially go up without me. And I think about that with my son. And I'm like, I couldn't imagine Oscar having to go through this life without me. So it's incredible that you can put, you know, bring yourself here and sit with us and spread such a positive message about early detection. and everything like that.

So I just wanted to commend you for your bravery. I told you I was a cryer. No, I knew it would get me too. And look, that's okay. You know, I used to apologise like the natural thing when I used to cry during talks. When I often talk about Teddy or what Amber's done for me, that'd be the real triggers.

I used to get quite emotional. And the default was sorry. But then I now kind of just embrace that. I never apologize for crying because it's obviously it means so much to me. I think it's important that guys realize it's okay to have a cry and be vulnerable and, you know, give your dad a hug, give your mate a hug, and that's the sort of the role model I want to be for Teddy.

Was there anywhere along that process where you had the feeling of this is not going to happen? One time we, it was really hard. We were away and we got matched with a surrogate and we were like, oh my God, it's going to happen. And we had the transfer date of when they were going to the fertility. clinic. And to match with one, you know, meant a lot. You know, somebody emotionally saying, I'm going to bring your dreams to life. And, you know, the reality where like four years in, I think it was. And then we get a call from the surrogacy agency, the day of transfer. And we're waiting

to hear like, you know, the transfer, embryo transfer went really well. And we got told, I hang on, the surrogate actually can't actually be your surrogate anymore. And we were like, what the fuck? What do you mean? What's happened? And they said, oh, we just found that the doctor whilst doing the transfer, overheard her in conversation, say that she was on a medication, which actually she didn't disclose to us, which it goes against you being able to be a surrogate. And we were like, oh my God, they went to back to the drawing board and hung up on us. And we were like, far out.

Oh, my God. Yeah. So that really, during the process, that was when we were like, this took forever to get here. And then it just disappeared like that. Can you describe that feeling you felt in that moment? I looked at Marcus. I can remember what we're in Bali. I looked at Marcus and he was like,

you could tell he was like, I don't know what to do now. And I knew exactly what I could do. And that was put a fucking email together and tear these motherfuckers to pieces, right? Especially because when it's, it was, there was a lot of contracts throughout the process.

But at the end of the day, I made it clear to them that you're working with people that are really vulnerable. and actually you kind of have to do your due diligence and this lies on you like you've you've taken us so far down a road and then you've just pulled it away from us and you've just said oh well it happens back to the drawing board and so the sensitivity around it you know I'm pretty optimistic

I knew we would I took it as a bit of a sign that hang on there was something wrong there like maybe it was a positive and a good thing but I saw my husband kind of go oh my God how much longer can we just keep doing this? Yeah. So then how was it when that took place to when you were able to lock in the surrogate that gave you the twins? So Amber came along, I would say, eight, nine months later.

Okay. I was still a long time. And, you know, we've got, we had something like, I think, 30 grade A embryos sitting waiting to go, right? Like, which is a wild number. And we got Amber and she just. Sorry, you have your surrogate, she's getting the... The surrogate is not the egg donor. Yeah, she's got the, yeah.

We've had an egg donor who we've got, we were able to get 41 eggs from. Wow. Split down the middle, 20 was fertilised with Marcus, so sperm, 21 fertilised with mine. And then they grow them to day five. And then in America, they tell you if it's a greater A, B or C or something. Yeah. And B or C, they do up to 3,000 something like a, like a, genetic disorder testing and they destroy any that, um, that are a level C,

grade A is like, won't let, they say pretty much won't lead to any, you know, problems or issues or miscarriages or whatever. And, and so we ended up, I think, with like 19 grade A embryos. Wow. Which is like, good number one. Fucking basketball team. Yeah. Like totally.

Unheard of. So like, we got 41 eggs and the standard is five to six eggs. Wow. Yeah. You like tripled that. Yeah. She's fucking superhuman, our egg donor. And then...

And you're going to keep your sperm? Can we give the sperm a fan of that on the back? I don't know if you guys have spoken to a, like, a fertility clinic before that's spoon. I kind of want to quickly take it to this. I own sperm, Scott. I'm sorry if I'm, like, taking all the keys. No, no, go. We go to an IVF clinic here to do, I don't know, the cum dump.

Literally. That is a great name for you. Literally, literally just like, wank into a jar. It is what you've seen in the movies, right? They even gave a straight porn that I had to walk out. I was like, really? Like, come on. What the fuck?

I bring my own supply. You literally look to my phone, right? Get her out of here. Get her out of it. And the fascinating thing is you can't use lube because it can contaminate. Oh, yeah. I never do any way, so it's fine. There you go.

And then this lady, we were like, you know, we were a bit worried. You know, what if? And she was something like a character out of a movie. Like, imagine a, like, 65, you're right? old lady sitting behind a counter in a medical like, you know, centre with a durry in her mouth. She didn't have one, but it was classic receptionist.

Yeah. And she's like, all you guys are the same. Let me tell you this. She said, I've been working in fertility for over 20 years. Eggs, women, they are so fragile and perfect. She said, when you put any man's sperm under

a microscope and look at it, it's that dumb, it always fucking swims in into the side of the glass. It a peatry dish, right? She's like, it's all the same. Trust me, you'll be fine. Yeah, she's like, now here's your jar and get in there kind of thing. I'm picturing the person from Mozart.

Was the house? Yes, that's who it was. Withowski your seamens came home. So, yeah, we're apparently, our sperm's perfect. All of us, all of us guys, we rarely have problems. Oh, congratulations. I actually, I was like, I bet you he's been naughty before and I bet he was about great sperm. Yeah, yeah, I thought that.

That's the energy I was picking up on. If you've enjoyed this episode, please leave us a review. Subscribe, send to a friend. We'll even know we are on holidays, we'll still be able to tell whether you did or not. Oh, yeah, if you don't. Actually, that's like a Christmas present for us. Like, don't buy us anything.

No, I still want you to buy me something too. Yes, okay, Ash would like, what do you need? What do you have to? Don't remember what like that? Hello? No, no way, Claude. I would naturally smell good. Yeah, that's your natural pheromones.

Yes. What are you got for men? Anyway, Jess said, make these quick. So if you've enjoyed it, please give us a review or follow us on social. The Two Dudding Dads on Instagram, TikTok and the Facebook group. Back to the pool? Yes, yes. Actually, we've got a flight to North Korea.

Oh, yes. So we'd better not be late to the airport. Better not or we'll get in big trouble. Bye guys. See ya. Two Doating Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country throughout Australia and the connections to land, sea and community. We pay our respects to their elders, past and present

and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples today. This episode was recorded on Gatigal Land.