Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash - #Ep 248 Don't Tell Him To Stop Drinking

Episode Date: August 2, 2026

This week the guys are going against everything they've ever promised, diving headfirst into your parenting dilemmas... with a sprinkle of advice for the Doters. 💥 Does moving away from your best m...ate mean the friendship is destined for the group chat graveyard? 🚸 What age should kids be allowed to walk to school on their own? 🍺 And how on earth do you tell your partner it's time to ease up on the booze... without it backfiring? As always, Ash has some seriously good advice that every couple could take something from. Plus, Matt shares a worrying update after Buster is rushed in for emergency surgery. And if you're wondering why Matt's wearing a very special T-shirt, it's for Frankie, the daughter of one of our favourite guests, Jackson. The shirts are raising money to support children living with cerebral palsy. If you'd like to help out (and score a great tee), you can grab one here. ______________________________________________________________________________ If you need a shoulder to cry on:  Two Doting Dads Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/639833491568735/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheTwoDotingDads  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twodotingdads/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twodotingdads  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I got a question for you. Hit me. When you shower, yep, exhaust fan on or off? All the time. Always on. Always on. I didn't know this.
Starting point is 00:00:09 What else is there for? The biggest argument in my household is because Laura turns the water to molten lava. Oh yeah. And especially now because it's winter, you open the door and you can't see anything. It's like a smoke machine. That's how I want it.
Starting point is 00:00:21 No, but then the cabinetry like absorbs. The cabinetry is dying. Yeah, I thought the exhaust was just for poops only. What? Yeah But you're a tradie You know these things I'm not a
Starting point is 00:00:33 I'm not a plumber Or an electrician or an Ash So what do you Like who's pulled you up My wife Oscar Oscar's like Yeah
Starting point is 00:00:41 Oh you know mine You know what we're wrong April April did because the ceiling Was mouldy That's the problem Okay hang on Welcome back to two doting dads
Starting point is 00:01:05 I'm Maddie J And I'm Ash And this is a podcast All about parenting It is the good It is the bad And they're relatable And Ash
Starting point is 00:01:12 You're trying to kill your family family with this mold. Honestly, I didn't know it was a, I had to have it. I thought it was a choice. How old are you? 36 this year. So what do you mean, your whole life? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:23 You've exclusively used the exhaust fan for the poops. Think of how many bathrooms I've ruined. I don't want to think about that. Honestly, I was like, it's my choice. Fan honor off should be up to me. Do you know what? I shouldn't, I shouldn't attack you for not knowing something, which may be simple to other people. You know, you've learned.
Starting point is 00:01:42 I'm not going to change. Well, for God's sake. No, I still think it's got to be consensual. It's like, you know what this is? It's like you're a smoker, okay? I'd love to see you right now. And someone goes, hey, actually, smoking gives you cancer. Wait, it's not healthy like they said it was?
Starting point is 00:02:02 And you're like, I'm not changing for anyone. You're putting mould in the house of your family. Yeah, the cleaners clean it right up. No. I just thought it was a choice. I didn't know. Well, it's not a choice. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:15 All right. But it's not as cozy in winter. Summer couldn't care less. What do you mean? I want it nice and steamy when I come out. I thought this is great. But now I get out of the shower, I'm like, did I even shower?
Starting point is 00:02:27 This sucks. I'll have much as we have a cold shower. Okay, I need to speak to April. Actually, speaking of bathrooms, go on. Do you know what's just happened to me? I went to do a wee-wee before we started recording. And I feel like in our new office,
Starting point is 00:02:41 people, like, I'm not really. met anyone, you know, the neighbors, the people who actually, we have, we actually, we share a wall with a psychologist. There's nothing but therapists around here. A lot of therapists on our level. Seems about right. And one, we were building the studio that were like, I'm in the middle of a session. Could you guys not?
Starting point is 00:02:56 That's the only interaction we've had. But I walked down the hallway and a guy was in front of me and he winked at me. He said, here you going. And I was like, are we going to fuck? Do we fuck now or? He's probably a therapist. He's like, do you know what he's like? He's probably thinking, I'm going to wink at this guy and then let him.
Starting point is 00:03:12 think about that for the rest of the day because he's a therapist. Well, I don't know. It was something. We had a moment. We're talking about it. He just like, he just winked effortlessly. And you don't know what it means.
Starting point is 00:03:23 So that's what that's, that's part of the trick. The therapy trick. Wow. It's working. You're like everything in your whole life. He must have been eating asparagus because that urinal fucking stuck. Really?
Starting point is 00:03:34 Yeah, it was strong. I was like, pungent. Can wink. Terrible piss. Ash, housekeeping. Yes. I've got some, just going to start with some sad news.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Oh, great. Buster is not too good at the moment. I thought you said Buster's dead. That was, fucking, I know, you could rip that off a bit slower. No, he's, it's pretty bad. He's currently in vet hospital. It's expensive. You don't want to know how much money we spent on emergency surgery.
Starting point is 00:04:05 He had surgery? Well, Sunday night, just gone. He literally got up, had a little bit of kids. and his bowl came back down and he was just like a bit uncomfortable and then he started dry reaching and I was thinking fuck is he eating something you know what's going on I thanks to our last guest with the chop with the baby lead weaning yeah I'm giving poppy lots of chops at the moment which she's loving but then Laura was like where'd the last chop go and I was like oh cooked bone I was like I you were feeding her she's like no you were I gave her the chop but then you then took the
Starting point is 00:04:42 feeding and we were like who's fucking at fault here so we thought maybe he was like help yeah yeah yeah but he was dry reaching and just like like it was stuck you thought maybe it was so then we're like it must be the chopped bone but he was like shaking as well so laura goes no there's a place called sash it's a 24 hour veteran i've seen it i've seen it on the show it's fucking great yeah was it like the show what show that's the veterinary hospital that's on Is it? Because obviously it was Bondi Vet, but then he got too big for his boots and they moved on to... It is a great.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Like the... I mean, they charged a lot of money, so you hope the service... I don't get a discount. But they're lovely. They're lovely. And Sunday night, 9.30, you go there and they were like, fuck, did a scan. He's got a twisted stomach. Needs an emergency surgery.
Starting point is 00:05:27 And they said, it was amazing that you got here as, as you did because the longer it's twisted, the cells... I'm no vet here, Ash, but the cells die apparently. This is what's been told. to me by Laura. Veterinary hospitals, they really got you by the balls, isn't they?
Starting point is 00:05:42 Because they know you love this thing. Yes. They're like, you're fucking. They come. Empty your pockets. There's got to be times when,
Starting point is 00:05:48 I mean, it was... When you tell them you can't afford it, so they bring out two security guards, turn you upside down, shake the money out of yet. Well, there must be times when people don't have insurance
Starting point is 00:05:56 where they just can't afford the bills. It's got to be fucking tough. That's what you've got to, unfortunately, but like, yeah, it's, man, it's brutal.
Starting point is 00:06:05 But we don't have insurance because Buster's got three legs. for him to get insurance was like two and a half grand a year. Yeah, even though he's less. Yeah, he's got one less leg to worry about. And they were like, jack the prize up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything else missing?
Starting point is 00:06:18 So he had surgery. He's pretty old. He's like 11, I think. We've said 11 for 3 years straight. I think so. Well, Laura said he was 10 and I was like, yeah. Squiggies like the same.
Starting point is 00:06:28 I don't think so. Laura went to him yesterday and he was so drugged up. Didn't know what day it was. But they said, bigger dogs of this age, recovery is pretty touch and go. Especially you've got three legs like he can't really...
Starting point is 00:06:42 For him to get around because he's going to be heaps harder. It's going to be tough. Is it on the leg side or the opposite side? Not sure. They couldn't put a leg on him while they were there or? This is my dog you're talking about here. It's going to leave.
Starting point is 00:06:54 He's going to make a full recovery and I can't wait to see Buster Bark at me again. There's a time and a place to have a joke, Ash. You can talk. Me? I'm the most sensitive man here. Shut up. So yeah, hopefully Buster
Starting point is 00:07:06 does okay, Laura was absolutely rattled. Oh, I bet. Absolutely rattled. Because they seem so, they seem so hopeless as well. Because obviously they can't help themselves. They don't know what's going on. You don't know what's going on. And also when Laura went to visit him last night,
Starting point is 00:07:20 he was a bit like, why the fuck have you left me here? And you're leaving me again? You've done this. And she was trying to give him a little bit of food, hoping that her being there. It did help. Get me a bit of chicken. But then, yeah, when she leaves, he's like,
Starting point is 00:07:33 whoa, hang on a second. And you fucking leaving me? again? Yeah. Just like that. Yeah. So when's he home? So we're going to go after,
Starting point is 00:07:42 uh, sorry Vic, we'll go this afternoon. Mm-hmm. Have a little visit, see how he's doing. May take him home. Might be tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Right. Yeah. Yeah. And they charge you every night too. Oh, God. I want to think about the bill. No.
Starting point is 00:07:55 That's, that's future problems. Exactly right. Exactly right. Well, I've also noticed you wearing a quite a very striking T-shirt today. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:08:05 Says Frankie. Yes, Ash. This is the Frankie Signature Motto Longsleeve t-shirt. It's nice. It's very, feel the thickness.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah. It's a thick GSM. It's actually, I'm going to read you the... GSM, hang on. Whoa. I think it's a GSM. What's GSM?
Starting point is 00:08:21 And this is supplied by Jackson. He has his daughter Frankie. They're on the podcast. Hence the word Frankie on the front of it. Makes sense. It says a heavyweight fabric, 280 GSM for those playing at high. That's some high GSM.
Starting point is 00:08:35 I didn't know what a normal GSM is, but... Would it be like a thread count? I think it's a... I want that thousand threader. Oh, I want like spreadsheets. It's 100% carded cotton. There you go. Can't complain with that.
Starting point is 00:08:47 It's a great shirt. It's going to know what it looks like. It's on our socials. And it's 85 bucks. But the money is all going to a very good cause. So their goal is to collaborate with a group of organizations to create something bigger and combine the fundraising efforts. They hope collectively to donate a Trexo,
Starting point is 00:09:05 robotics walker to either a clinic or a family so if we can buy this shirt raise the money those in need are going to benefit so much well yeah it sounds expensive that thing so get buying them they look cool i like this the riding up the sleeve at the side of that what's that say superstar powered by car it's cool i like it i am a superstar you are so it's very fitting that i wear this yes matt i was on a podcast you might have heard of before which one was it life uncutt Yeah, they're not very good. Pretty average. Yeah, are they still going?
Starting point is 00:09:38 They're, look, they're holding on. I mean, can't. Their numbers will go up now that I've been there. Yes. They used to be. I feel used. In a good way? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:46 I liked it. But I found out of some very important information. Well, hang on, just quickly. Just quickly. How did it go? It was good. Because you were doing an ask uncutt. Ask uncutt, a couple of questions.
Starting point is 00:09:57 What questions did you get? Give me one. Some guy who told his wife he's going surfing, but he just sits in his car and scrolls on his phone. Is that you? Abre wrote all the questions in. We talked about drinking. Did you give serious advice or were you silly ash?
Starting point is 00:10:13 I was, because there's two ashes. I was both. I gave a little bit of both. Yeah, I can change gears like that. Yeah, I like that. It was good. How's Laura? She looked great.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Yeah, she's thriving as a mum and as a podcaster. Yeah, thank you. And as a wife. Very kind of you. To say that. She didn't have very nice things to say about you. What do you mean? Let you sort that out when you get home.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Anyway, throw that grenade in there. No, she loves you. It was good. But I have some information. So recently you told a story about spending more time with your mum, which I think is amazing. They're not going to be with us forever. What a guy.
Starting point is 00:10:52 What a guy. And that's what everyone says. What a guy. And the options were to, you started watching a documentary with it. Specifically a World War II documentary because you and your mom are quite in, that sort of stuff and you actually chose to watch that over having sexual intercourse with
Starting point is 00:11:08 your wife. I mean, we all would have made the same decision, right? Yes, you had some, what do they call it, um, rusted romance that you... Denied. Denied. Denied in favour of Tom Hanks in World War II. Yes, so it's Tom Hanks, a 20-part series. Any man in my position would have done the same thing.
Starting point is 00:11:23 But someone else in your house has taken claim to being a World War II fan. Who? That's not you or your mom. Go on. Can I please have the audio from said, life uncut, just a small podcast that's up and coming. Good luck to them. Good luck, yeah. The most comprehensive World War II, and I've watched a lot of World War II stuff in the last couple of years since living with Ellie, it's the most comprehensive, but because it's narrated
Starting point is 00:11:47 by Tom Hanks and it's been done with a real, I don't want to say it's got the Hollywood effect because it certainly doesn't have that. More palatable, maybe? It's just, it's done in a way that I find is not too dry and it's very, very interesting. I am not a history person. I am not someone who would normally sit through that much world war content and I have found it thoroughly like it's been for me it's probably the first time where I've actually watched that type of history content and been like
Starting point is 00:12:11 I have thoroughly enjoyed this and I don't know if war content is something you can say you thoroughly enjoy and I love Tom Hanks so I was like I love Tom Hanks. Sounds like it would make me better at my trivia game as well It truly was one of those ones where I was like oh he could talk about anything box of chocolates World War II I'll watch it all like Tom Hanks got options at your house
Starting point is 00:12:29 the whole time she's on her phone she wasn't watching I was like can you believe that they're trying to invade Stalingrad right now the Sixth Army Oh the old invasion of Stalingrad Stalingrad or Stalingrad?
Starting point is 00:12:43 Salingrad Who is that? And she's on her phone She needs to stop pretending She's fake, Laura She's not interested Wow I was shocked
Starting point is 00:12:50 My mom was like And Laura can you believe That it took three attempts For Germany to invade Russia And on the third attempt is what would stop them. And then they had the Western Front start after that, which Germany would never recover from.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And Laura is just like, yeah, that's true crazy. Yeah, and then gets to a place of work. I really love this documentary. Tom Hanks, what a guy. I know. Such an interesting topic. Laura, he could say anything. He could say anything.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Bloody hell. She doesn't value the war like I did. No, exactly right. There's a character on a TV show called Peep Show, who he's obsessed with Stalin and all of, that sort of stuff like that and you just sounded exactly like he's just like yes and stone ground i've got 10 episodes left oh halfway and my mom is still like we finished dinner and she's like should we watch one and then and then we'll watch one and she's like can we do another one how long can we
Starting point is 00:13:46 do one more they're like 50 minutes oh three hours of world war are you starting to dream in world war two now i think about it a lot yeah it's it's riding home so close so close to hit the winning the war it's it's scary think about. Did he win? I don't know much about war. Oh my fucking God! Did he win? Ash.
Starting point is 00:14:04 We should ask Laura because she would know. It's just to be history buff. First, it's event in the bathroom. Yeah? Now it's World War II. I better, I have a lot to educate you on. Thank you. I better come over and watch this, watch this documentary.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Well said. Thank you, sorry. I couldn't sit through. I could barely sit through that sentence. My sentence. Not yours. I just want to find someone out there who's not my own mother who appreciates World War II like I do. Your wife.
Starting point is 00:14:33 If there's anyone out there who does, please, speak to me. I do have a friend who really loves World Wars. He's spoken for. You can't have him as well. Hey, how's the book going? Well, we had a bit of a, what I thought was a technical difficulty on the pre-sale on the Big W website because it was showing sold out of a pre-sale. But apparently, they have sold out of pre-allocated books.
Starting point is 00:14:55 How does that happen? secret ingredient. Fuck knows. They have. But they have, allegedly. So, I mean, good news, I guess. So will there be more pre-sale books available? Well, as of tomorrow, it's actually available in store.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Oh. Yeah. So the 29th is the actual official launch. Whether they turned up or not and on the shelf or not will depend on who's work and the shift that day. Yeah. How do you, trying to figure out how you sell out or something that's not there. Well, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:25 I don't know either. I don't know much. So yeah. But it's Hitler. The book industry, it's a wild beast. It's a wild west. We don't know how they work. So it'll be available in Big W as of the 29th.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Give it a week just in case. Are you doing a book signing? No. Are you not doing a book signing? Not going through that again. Jesus Christ. You're not going to go to a Dimmix bookstore? No, that is...
Starting point is 00:15:51 They make you do it. Thank God people thought we were gay. For anyone who's confused Ash and I when we wrote our book People kept thinking that we were two gay dads And we're brave And we did a signing And a middle age woman came up to us and go
Starting point is 00:16:05 My kids were practically raised by the gays And Matt said It's those heteroes you're gonna look out for And then we kissed I don't know why they think we're gay You'll be in a bookstore some Let us know when, when it happens I'm not doing that
Starting point is 00:16:17 I'm not doing that They make you If you want to sign copy Just message me Seriously I yeah that would if I had to do that on my own the anxiety would be too much I'd come with you just sit there yeah in the corner we should dress you up as me and see if anyone noticed I just I would just I'd be like the proud boyfriend in the corner you get them
Starting point is 00:16:37 honey hey we got a message from Lauren and Lauren Mitchell if you are listening right now well played you told me that if anyone wants a shout out we have to say is that I've been a doter since day one and you got me we're just doing it don't say that and then it's the whole episode. We'll have to do a shoutout episode. That's fine. Every two week. She messaged in on the DMs to
Starting point is 00:16:59 two doting dads Instagram and said, hey guys, I'm a recent doter and loving. Oh wait, recent doter. Next. What? I just read what I wanted to hear. Yeah, yeah, it's just a Dota for life. Okay, sorry. For now you're in it. Wow. But she said, maybe
Starting point is 00:17:16 because she gave us a compliment. She said, laugh out loud, relatable parenting content, and she'll be making away through all of the episodes while she was on Matt Lee with a newborn and a toddler. Congratulations. And she goes, I wanted to share with you my husband's podcast as I thought it might interest you as NRL fans called the Big Hits podcast.
Starting point is 00:17:33 Yes. It does like a deep analytical dive into like NRL topics. It's different. Point of difference. I like that. And so Lauren, because you message me and butted me up, there is your plug for you and your husband. You're welcome.
Starting point is 00:17:46 That's all you've got to do is buttering up. What's it called again? The big hits. The big hits. The big hits podcast. Yeah. sure you can search it on Instagram. For the wives and the mums out there,
Starting point is 00:17:54 when you send this to your husband, send him that one too. But make sure you listen to us first. Yeah, us first. Then get the analytical data. The dads would be like, okay, what do we got here? Parenting podcast or NRL podcast.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Actually, forget I said that. Matt, we have a hack. I showed you a hack from a teacher who can have the dirtiest wet wipe essentially to help the class clean up, which I thought was genius. Chlorox. They call it Chlorox.
Starting point is 00:18:17 Over there. I think Chlorox is the spray and wipe. Spraining wipe is such. A nicer name. Spray and wipe. It gets a chlorox. It's like you're going to kill someone. Like chloroform or...
Starting point is 00:18:28 Is it called chloroform? I think it's lazy that people just put a chemical in a bottle and be like, instead of naming it, it was like, just cool up the chemical. Call it something fun. Yeah. Like spray and wipe. Spray and wipe and don't get it in your eyes. Something like that.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Spray one does suck in the eyes. Yes. Anyway, so this was off the back of that. It's from teacher nay. Nay, nay. Nay, nay, has another cleaning, which calls a recommendation. It's called a hack. Another one is secret rubbish for those extra messy days where there is paper, pencils, etc, laying all over the floor, declare that there is a secret piece of rubbish in the room
Starting point is 00:19:06 and that you will look to see who finds it as they clean and tidy. That is very clever. Very conniving. Okay, my question to you, Nay, nay, nay. What if they find it? Well, then you've got so many, I guess, teachers, they're going to behave. for the teachers. Because if I deal with my kids,
Starting point is 00:19:24 unless everyone wins, we have a game where I just yell at them to put it away and they put it away. That's the game. That's a, those are a lovely game. It works. It was like,
Starting point is 00:19:33 I told it, put it away! The spinning wheel, the gymnastics? Fucking hell, I thought we were good. Last night, pick the kids up, fucking Shazzy pants, one. Shaz wins everything. Shazzy is my niece and the wheel is what you spin
Starting point is 00:19:46 at the end of every gymnastics class to see if you win a toy. I don't think it's necessary though, is it? No. No. No, it is not. It's really setting us up. It's like Ushes.
Starting point is 00:19:55 Thank you. We're fucking... Wait, wait, wait. I want to talk about wishes on the next episode. All right. We'll talk about that on Wednesday. Stay on the line until Wednesday. And it's a spinning wheel.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Like, with a fortune type wheel. And the thing, the little like... was like on the nail and was like, e... And the lady was like, you can have it. Lola, boom, nails it. Mali. And I'm like, I just know that she's not going to get it. Oh.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Miley doesn't get it. And then Mali's like, can I go again? And I'm like, no! respect the wheel. Yeah. Do you think they asked that on Wheel of Fortune? No. Also,
Starting point is 00:20:29 they should bring back Wheel of Fortune. I love that show. I miss it. And then the lady's like, the rules are loose. Like the lady on reception, she's got a big bucket of toys, like two cent toys.
Starting point is 00:20:40 And she's just like, hey, take one. Yeah, it's not that serious. Oh, I can't get out of here, Charlotte. And then Marley was like, can I still have a toy? And the lady was about to reach in. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:20:50 she must learn. Wow. I'm building resilience and I'm like, remember Marley, you didn't win. Okay. On this occasion, you're a loser. Oh my God. Shazzy pants and long.
Starting point is 00:21:04 The winner. Shazzy, shazzy, shazzy, shaz. And Marley just was like, she was like, millimeters away from the toy bucket. And I was like, we're going out of here. And she just flipped out. And then I was.
Starting point is 00:21:18 I wonder why. The poor thing. You were just like, I'm building resilient. I'm teaching lessons. Fair. Fair. I'm teaching lessons.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Fair. Did you yell at her though? No, I would never yell. But I did the old like, she's kicking and screaming and I was just like, yonk. Oh, okay. The drag out. And I'm like, because we're leaving as another class is starting. So all the parents are looking at me with the happy kids going into class.
Starting point is 00:21:41 As I'm like, yeah, they'll understand. It looks like I'm abducting a child. And I'm like, she's mine. Don't worry. She just didn't win on the wheel. They're like, oh, God. I get it. Totally get it.
Starting point is 00:21:51 One of these days she's going to win. Hopefully. And feel it. What? Oh, no. I'm an idiot. Guys, Lola's going to be pissed off with me. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:22:03 We got 100 days of Kendi coming up. And at our school, you have the option to dress up as something to do with 100. Yeah, I remember that. What is that other than 101 Dalmatians? My aunt's Nana, she's into World War. She'll be able to tell you. Something that's 100 years old. Oh, who?
Starting point is 00:22:16 Go is Hitler. Oh, God. Salad? So, we're doing a dresser. And I was like, look, you can have a look online, you can pick a costume, pick something, you're going to love it. She was like, great. So she picked this.
Starting point is 00:22:31 She had a little dress that she can wear. She's going as a hundred year old. Yes. Smart. Thank you. Thank you. Except she was hell bent, hell bent on the walking stick. The most important part of that costume is the walking stick.
Starting point is 00:22:47 She was like, that's what I need. The walking stick is like most important. Yeah. It was a must. have. Yeah, the must have was the walking stick, right? Can you see anything in particular about that walking stick? Anything that you notice, it's not a legit walking stick.
Starting point is 00:23:00 It is a, oh, it's a blow up. It's a fucking blow up. Okay. These motherfuckers, I put a fucking photo of a walking stick on the online listing. They even did one of them leaning on it. Leaning on it. How sturdy is that balloon? That's very deceiving, right?
Starting point is 00:23:16 Yeah. And so the box came, the guy's like, here you go, here's your little Amazon box. And I was like, yeah, I was like, Where does the stick go? Is it like an extender? The guy's like, ha ha, idiot. Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Like he knows.
Starting point is 00:23:28 And so this afternoon, like, Lola was like, she's very particular about like, so when does it come? Today? Is it tomorrow? Is it the next day? I said, no, it's coming today. So when you come home from school, it'll all be there.
Starting point is 00:23:38 She was like, when I come home from school, it's there, not the next day, today. And I'm like, yes, today. So I'm going to pick her up. And I'm going to have to tell her that the walking stick is inflatable. Oh, you're going to have to stop it like a, Medical center. Or like,
Starting point is 00:23:52 I'm going to have to just find an old person. Go past an old person home and just joink one. Yeah. They won't be able to catch you because they won't be able to walk. Thank you. Thank you. Or you can just get a piece of timber. I'm like, will she accept the inflatable walking stick?
Starting point is 00:24:04 Probably not. You could probably use it for other things, like hitting people. I don't know. But like you need. Well, we're safer for school, I guess. Thank you. Yeah, that's true. That's why we have a mum here.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I was going to say the teacher said you couldn't have a real walking stick, but then I know there's going to be some fuckers out there at school who do have the real walking stick and then Lola's like, I'm standing here like a fucking loser with an inflable walking stick and then Frankie's over there with a bloody mahogany stick.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Yeah, yeah, he's got like Tazzy Oak. Yeah, yeah. Stained it up, he's like, polishing it. Just go, honestly, go to like a $2 shop and buy one. They would have like a cheap little shit one in there. But are they not allowed to take the school office? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:24:45 That was my like full back lie. Bloody 100 days, But also at our 100 days They don't allow the parents to come to school Why? What do you want to go for? I'm like, do I have to come to that? No, I'm like, thank you.
Starting point is 00:24:58 The costume in person. You're going to put it on up before she leaves the house. Then I want to see it. I want to see it amongst her peers. Yeah. Okay. Can I tell you what we had to do for our 100 days? Oh yes.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Yesterday. Every kid had to bring in 100 items of something. Like, that's so mean. Skittles? What did you go for? We went for cheesels. And then I was like, That's a lot of cheesels though.
Starting point is 00:25:20 I know, I bought three packs. Is it? It's actually only one pack and a little bit extra. Yeah, see, I told you so that much. Because we had to count them out. You counted 100? You get 86 cheesels per pack. They do salt and digging now too.
Starting point is 00:25:33 Was Dan just in the corner salivating? Yeah, we ate them all yesterday. But I asked Louis when he came home and he's like, oh yeah, we didn't even do them because apparently they were too messy. I was like, what? I went to the shops before school. 100 of, that's just so weird. ridiculous. I know, but they got to wear just coloured clothes. That's great. Yeah, which is
Starting point is 00:25:54 easier. I know a lot of schools do the costumes and everyone goes as grannies. We've already got book week. Can I have a business idea? Go. Okay. So we need to find a factory somewhere in Asia and we need to make as many like old lady wigs and walking sticks as possible because we'd clean up, dude. Real, real walking sticks. Real what's the cheap wood? Babboo. You just get a Sean Kenny Dowell. What's that? Just Dowling. Oh, there you go.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Thank you very much. We can sell that. We could. To the schools. Does it seem like a big hassle? Yes. Is it worth it? Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:28 You could also chuck in some bookweek costumes. Oh, yeah. Write it down. I haven't said that in a while. Write it down. Put it on a T-shirt. Because everyone's buying them last minute and you're like... Yeah, the thing is, though...
Starting point is 00:26:40 People are paying 30 bucks for a bloody week and a pair of spectacles. And there's so, like, book week. You've got book week and everything else in school. Did Marley have school discos? We haven't had a disco yet. What? They're missing out on it. It's like a rave.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Are you going? I'd drop them off, but I'm like, that's right. Are you in the car? Just like, yeah. And I'm like, get me out of here, please. Too much flowro for me.
Starting point is 00:27:03 But it's like. Are the raves drop and go? Yeah. Who plays? I think he's just one of the teachers, the DJ now, but they fully set it up. An old school rave,
Starting point is 00:27:12 where he's like, put your fucking hands off! He's like, do, do, do do do with a horn. That's got a theme. So there's another, oh, God, it's just a... We also have the Commonwealth Games Day this week. Can I just say, credit to any athlete
Starting point is 00:27:27 representing Australia right now in the Commonwealth Games, but does anyone give a fuck? Not really. And it's... And do you know what? It's because of the ex-Melvin Premier, that's why. Because he committed... He shitted on it.
Starting point is 00:27:39 He skated on it. Because it got scaled back, and then they... Because it got scaled back so many athletes. Not like now. No, no, no. So many athletes, their sports got cut. So those people who had been training... for those years for their chance to go to the Commonwealth Games,
Starting point is 00:27:51 all of a sudden had to be like, you don't have a purpose now. What was it? Like badminton? Diving? Or big loss. Joking, joking. All the Badminton players? Diving? Diving. Sam Fricka. Not going to see his cock on TV.
Starting point is 00:28:03 That's a real loss. He's a grower anyway, so you're not missing out of anything. Actually, I have, there were a couple of interviews on the news. The swimmers, we're in DTs. And this is going to sound weird. I don't want to sexualize the athletes. Were they males? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Go ahead. But, okay, when you're wearing DTs, Ash, do you like rest your cock up or down? Why is yours going up? No, mine's down. Yeah, yeah. And this guy's cock was up. It might be better for the engineering of the water to go the flow. It was like, his cock was like, oh, instead of like down.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Yeah, okay. It was up. And he's being interviewed. He's like, yeah, well, you know, my breaststroke is my pet event. And I was like. What's your cock stroke like? It's probably going to be one of those things where it's like, I'm missing out by two hundredths of a second.
Starting point is 00:28:53 It's like, tuck your cock back. Tuck your cock back down. It's better for water flow. Streamline. It's a concave. Those athletes should not be wearing DTs outside of the pool. It's like if you're post swim, sure, I get it. But you shouldn't be like at a press conference
Starting point is 00:29:08 with your bloody cock resting upwards. I know. Someone's got to tell these athletes. Someone's going to be like, I can see the imprint of it. Do you know what it's called? It's called catching print. Let me just. The science of catching print.
Starting point is 00:29:20 Okay. Okay. We all know what camel toes are. Sorry? Okay. We all know what camel toes are. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Okay. Right. But this is a man version. It's not a moose knuckle. It's a catching, catching print. Okay. So it's actually coined by women, okay?
Starting point is 00:29:36 Where it's like, oh, I can see the outline of his cock. Catching print. Catching print. Right. I never heard that. There you go. You can look it up.
Starting point is 00:29:44 It was a big thing on TikTok. With the youth. With the youth. But a big shout out to all the athletes over in Glasgow doing their best to compete. Tink Glasgow? Yeah. Glasgow?
Starting point is 00:29:54 Yeah. Tink Glasgow. Is it on TV? Who knows? Yeah, Matt Shervington, speaking of big cocks. He won the three-legged race. I messaged him. I messaged him to come with the podcast.
Starting point is 00:30:05 Can you bring your cock on the podcast? And he did it right back and then I put on the TV and then I was like, oh, he's hosting the Commonwealth games. Yeah, because whenever we do see him, he's like, how are you fellas? Me, I'll bring my cock over. All you know. I reckon he's the reason for a lot of babies born after that, the nine months after those races.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And also if Matt Shervington is listening, because he does like the podcast, nice cock! He won't come on now. We have some Dota Dilemmas. Okay. Now you need us more than ever. Know that we still have each other.
Starting point is 00:30:41 You can send us your doating dilemma. You can send us your doting dilemma. Ash, this first one, I'm not going to say her name, as much as I do want to give her a shout out. I think it's best if I keep it anonymous. But she says, my bestie and I now live two and a half hours away from each other. And I'm wondering if it's time to let the friendship go. It's a bit drastic? Well, I think there's more.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Hang on. I was like, sure. Do it. Okay, do it. You won't. Their kid is a little bit antisocial and never plays with mine when we finally do meat. Her kid is four minus three. And her kid naps are always prioritised over my kid's naps too. So I do all the travel if we're going to meet somewhere.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And in addition to this, she has the attitude that parenthood is absolute sunshine and roses all the time and never talks about the irritating stuff that bonds us all. Wouldn't know what that's like. What would you do? I wouldn't say, I wouldn't, letting it go is a bit drastic. Obviously, like parenting changes.
Starting point is 00:31:46 people, right? For the good and for the worst in some instances. But like I think it's more like, okay, well, I still... It's something that I would do on. It's not working out. I'm like, fine. Burn it, pin it. Move on.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Never contact me again. It's sort of like, I mean, everyone's going to have to live their own lives, but then it doesn't mean that you're not friends. It means that like you've just got different expectations of parenting and different scenarios, which is so true because every kid's different. If it's sunshine and rainbows for her, good for her. And if that irritates you, she's not, well then maybe find some people that you're happy to bitch about your kids with,
Starting point is 00:32:21 like I have, and then still have that friend. As still your friend, because I don't think you should throw away friendship just because at that time your lives aren't lining up. Not saying that this is the case with your relationship, anonymous listener, but look, the reality is, like you said, people change post-parenthood and some relationships won't last. Yeah, or it's like you come back and revisit it. late like my sister she had a really good best friend for years and I remember there was it wasn't a falling out it was similar their interest change and then it was like literally like six or seven
Starting point is 00:33:00 years or something and then she was at my sister's wedding and my sister was like we just felt like we were such good friends and we reconnected again and we're at different stages now cycles yeah we're we're we're different we live in different states even but now that we've reconnected There's so much for us to catch up on and now it's, they're still my friend. But I do think as well, up until like six or seven months, if you're like, let's say you've had a nice birth and let's say baby's pretty easy, they can sleep anywhere.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Like we were of the opinion that like, oh yeah, they'll, you know, they'll sleep in the pram. It's easier to catch up. But then I think from 10 months onwards up until three or four, that's, it's tricky. You're trap, you're nap trapped. You do get nat trapped. I love being nat trapped because I would nap too. But like you divide your days into two parts or three parts depending on where the naps are.
Starting point is 00:33:49 And if P and if you aren't on the same page, just like when the kids were post one o'clock, we were like, no, 12 o'clock, we got to be at home in a dark room, the sound machine on. And I want my kid to sleep. Otherwise, they're going to turn fell. And other people were just like, ah, I can sleep in the gutter. We were the same. It's like I wanted those naps to be good because that would knock on effect would be that
Starting point is 00:34:11 it would be better later on. Yeah. And she might have a kid that. a great sleeper, great eater, and that's amazing and that's good for her. You're maybe a little bit more into a fussy sleeper or eat or whatever it might be. But yeah, I wouldn't say let it go.
Starting point is 00:34:24 I would just say they're still your friend. You might just be on different paths at the moment, but the paths come back. I remember being a kid growing up and they were like some of my mum's really good friends, I won't see any names, but they had kids who were similar age to me, but I was like, oh, I don't like I don't play with him, he's fucking weird, mum. He's a weird,
Starting point is 00:34:42 he's a weirdo. I don't want to go. and it's so much harder. I do that now. April's like, come on. I'm like, oh, he's weird. He tried to talk to me. I hated it. But when the kids don't get along,
Starting point is 00:34:55 it does make it so much harder. But it just means it might be best for you guys to hang out without the kids. You guys can still see each other. If you can have time away from your child and just see them, that might be the best way for you guys to still socialize.
Starting point is 00:35:08 Yeah. I think as well, though, two and a half hours away, you might not need to throw away the relationship. It might just be a step-ing. away from it for a while. Very good.
Starting point is 00:35:17 That's an easy fade out. It's always awkward when they live down the road and you keep bumping into them. Oh, gosh. You're like, where are you off to? To the park? Me too. Fuck!
Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah, you're like, oh shit. All right. This one's from Sarah Jane. I have a Dota dilemma which my husband and I can't seem to agree on. I should note, we were brought up very differently. He could do basically what he wanted and I was very overprotected.
Starting point is 00:35:41 And he is the eldest of three boys and I'm the youngest and only girl. Okay, well, you that is opposite. At what age did you let your kids start to do things on their own, like walk home from school, go for bike rides with their friends, etc? My son is nine in year four and we have just relocated. We have a five-minute walk from the new school. A lot of kids walk home and he'd like to start to do that on his own.
Starting point is 00:36:05 The local shops are also a one-minute walk and my husband thinks we should be starting to let him do that on his own too. I know it's just a matter of time before he wanted to go for bike rides with his new friends. I'm really struggling with the thought of not being there to protect him if something was to happen. The other issue is my middle child is in kindergarten and if he's walking home, she's going to want to do it with him, fair enough, which I'm absolutely not okay with, so may as well just walk all together. Not asking for you to make the decision for me.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Oh, just wanting to know what others have done as it makes me very anxious. I used to walk to school every morning from the age of seven. I used to have to hike up a mountain. Yeah. Ask your parents what did they do. Well, it was a railroad road. There was a railroad and I remember that. We used to dig our way through the mountains.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Once we got to the railroad, they said, I'll follow it until you hit the sun. We'd swim a kilometer. Yeah, yeah. Shark-infested waters. Barefoot, might I add. We'd get there by winter. Yeah, yeah. We'd have to build an igloo, camp overnight, where we'd then start school.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Yeah. How old were you when you walked to school? Yeah, seven. Seven? On the Gold Coast? No, no, no. I went to primary school in Sydney. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:18 We would... With your older sister, though? Yeah, so my sister was two years old. And Beth is very responsible. She's brainwashed everyone, I reckon. Anyway, that's... Yeah, anyway. No, she was a very protecting big sister for me,
Starting point is 00:37:35 which I am very appreciative of. And we have a great relationship now. But it's like... Can you just leave that first part? I didn't think people often say to me like I go to gigs with my sister I do just one on one so but I remember we used to walk to school together yeah really early doors because it was so normal did you ever have any run-ins like would you say any like stranger danger back in the day any anything where you were like I think we should go this way and get that candy from the man in the van
Starting point is 00:38:03 and she's like no ash he's got puppies no nothing like that I think we where we went to school there was a lot of like bush tracks to get to the entrance. Like there wasn't, schools are much more fenced off now. Okay. I remember we, there was all these different entrances to the school from bush tracks. It was quite a bushy area.
Starting point is 00:38:21 And everyone would have their own way of getting into the school. I remember a group of us would all. Imagine this like, ants coming into it. That's what it was like. Because I remember we would mind, we'd all walk to school together, me, my neighbours,
Starting point is 00:38:32 all the sort of stuff, like different ages, all down the same bush track and then onwards. The only thing we did come across was there was a stormwater drain through this bush, track, like you could see the exit or the entry, whatever, one end of it. And kids thought it would be funny to crawl up the fucking thing. And then one of the kids got stuck pretty much.
Starting point is 00:38:49 So we had to like somehow look. No, we didn't get stuck. He got halfway, got scared and frozen stiff. So we'd have to be like get parents to come and help us out. And then it would be like, don't go down. So there's one kid. It ruins it for everyone. Yeah, but my parents always lived and went to school on hills.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Okay. And my mom was like, no one of danger could be bothered walking up that fucking hill. You guys all have great. great calves. Right. Thank you. It's, it's,
Starting point is 00:39:12 because of the hills. Yeah, so we, like, it just felt safe because. Because of the hill. Because of the hill.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Criminals are lazy. They are lazy. And then when I moved to high school, we would walk all the way to the bus stop, which was like down the hill, which was dangerous. You know what it was like down on the flat, with the flat people.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Yeah, but I think now it's, I'm going to sound like an old person. Say it. Thanks for the internet. It's, it's, it's open too many eyes.
Starting point is 00:39:40 because it's like everyone's so petrified, which I think there is a certain degree of, which is fine. It's healthy to have a bit of anxiety regarding it, but then knowing any minor incident that is then put front and center on the news and it's on social media. And you know, every single thing that could go wrong
Starting point is 00:39:57 and does go wrong, you're like, holy fuck, and I'm going to wrap my child and bubble wrap for as long as I can. But the problem with that, I'm thankful that I was given autonomy around that sort of stuff really early on. So in terms of April, not so much. So here's a good example. When I started seeing April,
Starting point is 00:40:14 her mom still used to make her sandwiches. But it was like when we traveled, she would highly rely on me in terms of navigate everything. And she'll tell you that because she would get dropped off to school, picked up. She didn't have the street smarts. I remember my mum would always say, I wanted us to do that stuff alone
Starting point is 00:40:34 so that when we did get older, we were traveled enough, we would know what to do in a situation. And it worked out because both my sister and I are very individual and very autonomous and have been since that. And we weren't helicopter parent. Your street smarts would be the highest of anyone that I know. Really? Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:52 Shut up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're welcome. Okay, but my issue is with my kids, like, as an example, with the one rule that we have that I'm trying to implement in their head is you're going to cross the road. You've got to look left, right, and then left again, then you cross. And they're like, got it. And then I'm like, okay, I'm just going to be a lot. over here, you can cross when you want.
Starting point is 00:41:10 And they're just like, yep. And I'm like, well, you've got to look first. They're like, got it. Do they know the reality of what would happen if they got hit by a car? I was literally explaining them. I was like, if you get hit by a car, you will end up in hospital with broken bones.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Not morbid enough for me, mate. And they're like, is that, like, would it hurt? I said to Oscar. Is there TV's in hospital? Yeah, but it's not the point. Yeah. Do they have screens? I said to April,
Starting point is 00:41:36 oh, April, Oscar, I was like, you get hit by a car. splat. He's like what? I'm like, you'll be all over the road, mate. There'll be nothing left to you. But I,
Starting point is 00:41:43 my kids still won't look left and right from crossing the road. If they're on a scooter in front of me and I'm like, stop! Stop at the crossing! At the last second.
Starting point is 00:41:53 And they're like, yeah, they're like, oh, what for? I'm like, you didn't look. And they're like, what for the fucking cars? Look right now.
Starting point is 00:42:01 And they're like, well, you didn't tell me. I'm like, what age were you guys fucking understand to look left and right? Jesus Christ. I know,
Starting point is 00:42:06 we implemented when, they look left or right, they go right. So if they look right, they have to say, no cars, left, no cars. And now Macy's just like, no cars. If I'm on the bike, sometimes they're on the back and I'm like, okay, who's going to be my eyes for me? Can you check?
Starting point is 00:42:22 Is it clear? And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Fucking bus is like, whoa. And I'm like, you didn't look, did you? What? What for? What's the problem? I know.
Starting point is 00:42:32 You guys suck. That, yeah, I think like the kids being out and about on their own, it's, that, I think that scares me more. than anything else. I think like... That letting go. He didn't get any by car. But I think like you've got to give...
Starting point is 00:42:45 You've got to do it though. You've got to give your kids some autonomy. I think, I think at the age of like three, so it's like eight or nine... They should get a job. I think they should be out there sweeping chimneys. I think if it's a five minute walk from home, I think it's okay. Yeah. I'm still nervous about it.
Starting point is 00:43:04 With a buddy, like with a buddy. Like if you want to pick someone like kid who lives nearby, you guys can walk home together and I think it's fine. Like I know my sister will go pick up the youngest who's in Kendi. George, who is the eldest, will walk home by himself with a mate or like they'll ride bikes by themselves. Smoking, siggies. And then, yeah, he's, he probably is, isn't he?
Starting point is 00:43:22 Yeah, I was. And then Shazzy pants will get taken home by mum. Yeah, it definitely scares me, but I think like, also it depends like how big the distance is. Like, we were pretty close to school and then there was a group of it. A group is always good because it's like, they can't take. Like all of you. I think from the age of nine, I'm allowing a kilometre.
Starting point is 00:43:44 Okay, yeah, all right. And then every age above that, every year, the radius increases by another kilometer. Yeah, my nan's 89. She can only drive like 5Ks. So it comes full circle. One little hack I saw from a few moms about if you are sort of testing the waters with your kids coming home and stuff, get an air tag and chuck it in your kids' shoe.
Starting point is 00:44:03 They don't know it's there and you can keep track of where they're going, what path they're taking that sort of thing. When they get a bit older, Life 360 app is like amazing for keeping track of where they're going. Is that through their phone? You track their phone? They need to have the app as well, whether it's on a watch or on a phone yet. So generally high school students, but my nephew loves mountain bike riding. And so it was a really great way to make sure that he was still constantly moving and moving around safely.
Starting point is 00:44:31 Yeah. Because if he stopped, obviously he would have something. Yeah. And where do you put the air tag on the shoe? Apparently you can cut like a little hole, put it in, like under the soul, cut a hole out. That's real. Can I think. Yeah, I like it.
Starting point is 00:44:47 Cut it out, put it in and then super glue it back in. So basically if they lose their shoe, it's the only way it'll come out. My kids always lose their shoes. I'm like, where are your shoes? Oh, how are we going to track these people? Remember Wipper did that for the city to surf? He air tagged his kids without telling them because obviously it's a massive crowd. and they were all doing it together as a family.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Fair. Can I just say I'm not opposed to putting in microchips in my kids. Is that a thing? Can you do that? Honestly. I'll find out. What's wrong with that? I don't want to be that close to them.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Just for like these early years. And then when they're an adult and they're like, what's this weird lump on my wrist? You're like, ask you mother. It's like a boop. It's like a microchip like a dog. I wouldn't be surprised if we're not far off from that. We're not far off from that, I don't think.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Ash, this one is for you, if I may ask you a question. You, well, it's not you, but someone else. I'm asking you on behalf of Anonymous. That's a strange name. There's a resurgence of that. I think it's French. Oh. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:45:52 That was a bit of Japanese as well. You're French and Japanese. They're always intertwined. I've always said that. Okay, she says, my partner has an alcohol dependency. And whenever I bring it up, he gets upset because we've had the conversation so many times. but he hasn't been able to stop drinking despite claiming that he wants to. He knows it's bad and doesn't seem to be able to stop even for the sake of our one-year-old.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Hearing Ash's story gives me some hope, but I don't know how to be more supportive, but I don't know how to be a more supportive partner when I can't bring this up without him getting upset. We will be bringing April on the podcast to talk about this, but when you think about your situation and your decision to stop drinking, do you think there's anything that April could have done or said or behaved in a way that would have encouraged you to give up sooner? Probably not. I actually do get this message a little bit here and there from people.
Starting point is 00:46:44 And it's fairly common where it's like my husband or my wife, you know, and they are torn on what to do because you love this person so much. At the same time, you don't want to rock the boat to a point that makes them get their neck up or because ultimately, and I always say, this, the end decision is down to him, right? I think April was really good at not confronting me about it. I was sort of like him where I knew the damage it was doing. I knew that I wanted to one day be alcohol free and I always say that piss head's daydream about being sober or every pisshead you ask them. I'm like, do you ever think about being sober and they're probably like, yeah, all the time. It's just one of those things. But like in her instance, I think like you've already got a couple of things going for you. He knows that it's bad for him. I think for her it's to be
Starting point is 00:47:38 patient and not to push it. Is there any situation where you can think of where, you know, we talk about like we coach Tim, right? And he's all about rewarding the good behavior. And Jen Lewis says that a lot as well. Was it any times where you were behaving in a certain way and like, tell me if this is not the case, but if you like on a Saturday night, I'm assuming that would be a night where you would most commonly drink or Friday night? Every night. Yeah, so pick one. If there was a night where you didn't drink,
Starting point is 00:48:07 if April was to say like, hey, like really good job, you know, like I'm really proud of you if you're not drinking. Did that help at all? What did help was notice, I noticed when I had consciously decided not to drink on certain days, I noticed that we would do think more,
Starting point is 00:48:26 like we would do more together. We're a much more a happy couple. It's really tricky because I think anyone, no one wants to be told they've got a problem. Right. Straight away, whether you've got an addiction or not, if you're told that you're doing something that someone else doesn't agree with, all of a sudden you're going to get your neck up.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Unless like you're of the opinion that, okay, I want to, I just need some support. I think what's probably really healthy and would be, if she doesn't make it about him, she makes it about them. So like, I remember April, saying to me once and I sort of took the hint. She was like, hey, do you know what my per, she sort of said what her perfect night was. And it was like, do you know what my perfect night is that we get to
Starting point is 00:49:07 eat together. We get to lay in bed and watch TV together. And then it was sort of like, and who knows, you know. And I kind of took that and I was like, okay, well, it wasn't just about me. It was about what her perfect night is and what we could do together. So I don't know if it's like, you might have your own health goals, this person who's worried about a husband. Why not, come up with a health goal together and it might actually just askew some of the thought around thinking about drinking all the time because I guarantee you if it's a dependency he thinks about it all the time but why don't you try and shift that to thinking about us and not about that and then do you think it's better instead of trying to attack it from like we've got to
Starting point is 00:49:43 stop drinking like every night it's a case of trying to break it down so it's like so one night you guys you know if it's say it's a Thursday night is like when the drinking starts as an example just not drinking every night do you try and attack it from like that one night, we just focus on that one night itself and then grow from there if you can. Yeah, because you could easily, like I said, if he's already knows that he wants to stop, we'll say, hey, why don't we on, why don't we, why don't we do something together every Wednesday night, to give you that break in the middle of the week so that you can see how you feel the back end of the week. Because do you find it hard if you're at home in that environment where you would have a drink in hand,
Starting point is 00:50:23 do you find it hard to be in that same environment without the bottle? Is it easier to be out of the house in the evenings? I don't want to leave the house anymore. It's... But when you first stopped drinking? When I first stopped drinking, I would... It's about distraction. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:39 I think all the things that you would do that involve alcohol, which the thing is it bleeds into every part of your life, okay? So it's like all of a sudden you become a parent, right? And then alcohol bleeds into that world instead of you being like, oh, I want to separate alcohol use around my family. but I think there's obviously things that they do together they both enjoy and it's like okay well maybe instead of having our normal shake your routine up a bit in the middle of the week and go okay well I've noticed that you do you want to have a night off having a drink
Starting point is 00:51:08 if you feel like you have to do it what can we do together or I remember I do remember I do when I've said to Abel I want to have a good cracket at this time she would say she would say hey go and see a mate or go and do something that will make you feel like you don't need to do it It's really, really hard. But not that one who likes a drink. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's it. Like, you're going to go through a time of some isolation,
Starting point is 00:51:30 but it's worth it in the end. And I think as soon as she starts talking about it that it's his problem is when you're going to have, we're going to have bigger problems. It's more like make it seem like his idea, if that helps anyone. Plant C. Yeah. Everyone always says, I want to talk to him about it. I'm like, yeah, but talk to him about it and see how that goes.
Starting point is 00:51:50 And then maybe rethink about it. but I would say make it about you guys as a whole as a unit and maybe do something with the whole family at those trigger points throughout the day where it's like four o'clock in the afternoon your trigger point would go, right, everyone up, let's go. You know what I mean? And it's like, can I take a drink?
Starting point is 00:52:06 No, no, no, no, come on, let's go. You can have a drink when you get back. Shake that up a little bit. Yeah. Because then he'll be like, oh, okay. Because I remember like the most uncomfortable times were when you're not doing the regular thing, which is like drinking.
Starting point is 00:52:18 But then it would be like, then I would start to think about it a little bit more. and maybe push myself to maybe not drink tomorrow and I. That was great, you know, but like everyone's going to be different. But it's ultimately up to him. Last question. When you were stopping drinking, did you remove alcohol from the fridge? No.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Because is that, I imagine that must be hard is if you're at home and the fridge has got cold beers in it. Yeah. I've got two cases in the laundry. I've got bottles of alcohol in the laundry. I've got a bar fridge. Thankfully, Mike drank all that. I contemplated at the time, I was like, that's not a trigger for me. Seeing it is not a trigger.
Starting point is 00:52:58 Right. But at the same time... What was your biggest trigger? I think the kids were a big one. They're having a stressful day. I just felt like, it just became so part of my life that it was like the only way I would feel comfortable as if I had it. But like when I did quit and it was in the fridge, it made it a little bit like, it's in there. I'm not going near.
Starting point is 00:53:17 I kind of felt a little bit proud about that. Yeah. Facing a front on. Yeah. But again, it was my decision. And April never, ever gave me an ultimatum. She never ever got, it would have been way worse. I thought I would have, I was already at a point.
Starting point is 00:53:31 It was like, life is so fucking exhausting just being me. Imagine having someone else coming over the top of you to tell you you're doing the wrong thing as well. Yeah. It's so much pressure. And, you know, like I said, she's got a couple of things already going for that he knows. I would say be patient and just try and do some things for you both that can disrupt the routine a little bit. And then, yeah, a little bit of praise here and there. Definitely really help me.
Starting point is 00:53:55 But I think, yeah, he's got to make that decision on his own. I love that. To her, good luck. Yeah, and be patient with him because it's so much harder than people think it is. Like, I always joke about how people say, just have one. Oh, fuck, you've solved all my problems. Oh, you're fucking genius. I never thought about that.
Starting point is 00:54:12 I never thought about just having one. I've only ever had 15 at a time. And it's like, it's so much harder than people think it is because it consumes you. Like I still, like I said, DeLora and Britt on Life on Car, I said, there's not a day or a moment where I don't think about it. Not a moment where I don't think about it. But I know that I'm better off without it. And I know that everyone else around me is better off without it.
Starting point is 00:54:37 So, great advice. Thank you very much. Thank you. Wicklesworth. Wicholwere. If you've enjoyed this episode, what do you do, Ash? What do you do? You can leave a review.
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Starting point is 00:55:18 Are you? Yeah. Are you? Yeah. Well, sorry, I already kind of was because it was in the calendar. But like, we definitely... Lord doesn't want me to. I'm always like, is it happening? Where are we at? Where are we at the cycle?
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