Two Doting Dads with Matty J & Ash - Surprise Bonus:The Dads Go Live At Apple!

Episode Date: September 28, 2025

We’ve got something different for you this week, our first-ever live show! Recorded at the Apple Store on George Street in Sydney as part of a Today at Apple event, this bonus episode brings you straight into the room with us. Expect plenty of laughs, dad banter, and a taste of what it’s like when the Two Doting Dads hit the stage. Couldn’t make it on the day? Don’t worry! This is the next best thing.  And hey… if you like the idea of more live shows, let us know. We just might have to do it again. 😉  BUY OUR SMELLY T SHIRTS HERE  https://www.twodotingdads.com/category/all-products Buy our book, which is now available in-store! https://www.penguin.com.au/books/two-doting-dads-9781761346552  If you need a shoulder to cry on:  Two Doting Dads Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/639833491568735/  YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheTwoDotingDads  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/twodotingdads/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@twodotingdads   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ash, yes what, buddy. What's that big guy? Guess what I've got? What is it? Not just for you, but for the listeners as well. A very big, super special, juicy surprise dropping in your ears right now, right the second. Get ready for it. Sit down.

What could it possibly be, Matthew? It's a bonus episode. Oh, whoa. Another one. You would think they would figure that out because they're listening right now. What did we do? Well, Ash, we recorded a very first ever live show at the Apple store in Sydney on George Street. And if you weren't there, shame on you. How dare you. We'll see you next time,

hopefully. But for those of you who are outside of Sydney, the good news is we packaged it up as a beautiful, sexy, delicious bonus episode. I love the way you said that. Matt, it was a fun that little ride in the Apple store, such a nice building, especially at night. Do you know what my favourite part of the show was? When we're walking off and you said, my phone has never been so charged. I know. I said, oh, I loved this. I loved this. I love this. I love it. I love doing the event here at the Apple store because my phone's never been so charged. It's a shame that I won't make it on to the bonus episode. I was like, I've got to put it in there somehow.

It was a great little nugget for me, actually. I chuckled my way out the door. I know. I loved it. So please enjoy our today at Apple event. Welcome back to Two-Ladding Dads. I am Maddie J. And I'm at.

And this is a podcast all about parenting. It is good. It is the bad. And they're relatable. And we don't give advice. But what we do do do do. Things you shouldn't say to a parent Oh gosh, you got your hands full

I don't know what's wrong with your kid But my kid slings through the whole night When you're pregnant You announce the sex of your child And they respond Will you try for a boy next time? I'm still pregnant I haven't finished trying for this life

Thank you very much I just want to say April and team It's great to have you here Ashes are the half Laura's not here I had to make her not come Otherwise she'd steal the limelight

She always does And she's pregnant, so everyone will be looking at her, touching her belly. Right outside. I know, she loves it too. I do have to start this podcast and say, welcome back to two-dating dads. I am Maddie J. And I'm Ash. This is a podcast all about parenting.

It is the good. It is the bad. And the relatable. And this will come as a surprise to no one, but today we will not give any type of advice. Absolutely not. No way. No. I wouldn't dare.

Is Angie here? Where's Angie? Angie! Thank you. I just want to say thank you for your support. I saw you doing stories before and I was like and you reshuffled

I was saying to Ash I was like Did you? I love that And I'll also say Elizabeth Osland interpreter who has to say

everything that I say I'm sorry Does anyone know the story of how Ash and I met Anyone? Well you're in for a treat

We get this question a lot How did this all start So? It was 202. Whoa. That went fast. I know.

You started following me on social media. Incorrect. Immediately incorrect. I've actually got, who do you think message who first? You definitely message, well, you followed me first

because April made me follow you back. Okay. First message here was from Ash Wicks. Lides. Look! Do you know what you said? No. You said it.

No, you said, I wonder if I could sell my townhouse that I'm currently renting. I was renting it. Weird opening life. I must have had a couple. And then I got married not long after that and you were saying, you know. Cheers for the invite on that one. Well, you just came in too late. Yeah, I would have been best man though, surely.

I was thinking, I was thinking to Laura. I was like, should I invite him? I wouldn't have come, but you should have. But I didn't invite you to the wedding. I invited you to a Christmas party that. I got invited to us. I could bring a guest. Some say Christmas party is just as good as a wedding.

It's on part. Oh, I say that. And then you said, I'd love to come. Let's wear matching shirts. We did. So I organised matching shirts because I'm lame like that. And I was like, this guy's coming on strong. It was a bit much.

I was like, can I pull out? Should we do this? But we decided on a bar that we would meet for a few drinks. I was late. As per usual. And it was kind of like a first date. I was a little bit nervous. More like a job interview.

That's what I felt like. I felt like you were interviewing me. And then the poor bartender must have been like, what are these two guys doing? Because we were so like. Matching shirts. I thought we looked good. We look great. But I've looked at photos back and I was like, that's probably not a good move.

No, it wasn't. But then things were progressing nicely. We did a couple of videos together. We did, yeah. We did one video in Centennial Park, which went gangbusters. Yeah, it was more dramatic than I thought it was going to be. And the person who edited is actually here, so thank you for that. He said, what about this version?

And it was like the sound of music. And I thought there's something here. But still, I wasn't quite sure where I wanted the relationship to go. I wasn't ready to commit to anything serious at the time, but I knew there was really strong chemistry. And then you came out, sat me down, and, Proposition me. I did. That sounds terrible, but yes, I did. I asked you about starting a podcast. And I was pretty naive. I've never done one. Matt has done a few podcasts. Some of them, most of them had failed. And I asked him a few times and he said, no, because he knew how much work goes into this. I mean, you guys get to listen to it, which is great, but we work tirelessly sometimes. And I said, what do you know about podcasting? And you were like, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. And I was like, I just, I don't have the time right now.

We've just had our second baby. I'm flattered, but... Like three years before that. Was it? I don't know. I said no. He did say no a few times. I was persistent.

And then I gaslighted him into saying that I had another dad. And I just said, it's all good, I'm fine, I've got someone else that's willing to do this podcast. And I said, who is it? And I wouldn't tell him, because there was no one.

I made it up. I left it a week. I let him stew. I knew what I was doing. I'm an ex-car salesman, as most of you know. I'm pretty slimy like that. You played me like a fiddle. Oh, I enjoy that.

I've got another buyer interested in this. Literally. I was like, they come in this afternoon to test drive it. You better be quick. You better buy it now. And I was like, Laura, what should I do? I mean, I might lose him. She was like, bring him over and do a test record.

Yeah, I left it a week, and then I gave you one more opportunity before I gave the fake dad, the actual gig. and yeah we we we laura obviously with her podcasting career had the equipment at home and we picked it up and gave it a go i guess and then i was listening back after the record i think i thought it went well and i was on the couch i was playing it from a laptop it was apple of course and just to be clear real subtle how do you do apple in interpreter oh obviously that was so silly I apologise about that

And Laura said I think there's something here And I said Well let's just give it a shot Not sure how long it'll last But we're coming up to 169 episodes Let's look at our producer

Make sure that's correct Yeah there she is Thank you I know And we We didn't know what to expect I mean The first podcast we actually did

We filmed it at your place On the dining room table And I remember vividly washing on the table there were kids cutlery and plates and all sorts of thing everywhere and we posted it online and someone was like that looks like my house and i felt like at that point we had something that's when i felt like we had something i don't know i don't know about you but the approach to the podcast sounds really dumb and simple but that really is who we are true well said it was on a t-shirt i feel like we need to be more sophisticated in this environment

We spent so long slaving over the strategy. It was just a disaster that we had each week. Yeah, exactly right. It was the week that was. But then we sort of branched out into other topics such as vasectomies, which is a classic on my part, I guess. You were the, well, I'm dealing with the pressure of the vasectomy chat at the moment. I'm about to have my third child in a couple of weeks.

Yes, congratulations. Thank you. You're not having it. You've done none of the work. No. Do the initial work, I'm assuming. Anyway, we don't know. I'll talk to Laura later and see you did all the work.

Anyway, there was a time where I didn't have a sex to me, and now it's most of my personality, if anyone who knows me. And my wife over here, April, I'm not allowed it for a first... How dare you? I'm any more. Look at you've done to the man, April. I know, nooted me. Anyway, I was shocked.

I was shocked because you're 31 at the time. Such a young man. I was a young man so much ahead of me but I'd had enough kids to be honest I couldn't deal with anymore surely and it was April was sort of it was her idea

and I was hesitant because I do no research whatsoever and I refuse to read anything I wish I'd known this was the type of person that you were before I said yes to doing a podcast with you I know the preparation for me for everything is minimal

I just don't have the bandwidth for it and I remember being so against it, mainly because I didn't know. I was ignorant. I kind of thought it would change me for some reason. And a lot of men say that to me too. They're like, well, does it change me? No, it doesn't. Well, I need all the testosterone that I can get.

Do you? Yes. You're pretty diced at the moment. You could lose a bit. Stop. And I sort of brush it aside, mainly because it wasn't my idea. And then it was a, I think it was a Saturday night at a friend's house

who's here somewhere there is over there who now has a vasectomy as well thank you very much your wife thanks me all the time and I thought

do you know what a be grand gesture a really good idea is a vasectomy anyway so I booked this vasectomy online with no research

whatsoever well my dad had a vasectomy it's generational map so and he told me it's like getting a haircut

so I was like how hard could it be and because it was my idea I thought it was great what did you search to find vasectomy's near me

good and it popped up first one that'll do he had five stars I thought how bad it would be and anyway

I thought it would be great if I went home with this grand gesture to tell my wife that I had a great idea that I should get to besiex me even though she had the idea months before

years before probably and it was met with I've been telling you to do that for months and it backfired a little bit and I kind of thought but wait what time was this now that you've working up

your wife on a Saturday night. It was pretty late. It was April. Yeah. I've done it. I have a really good idea. I'm getting a vasectomy. She was like, and then, yeah, she said, I've been telling you that for ages.

And I was like, no, you haven't. But anyway, I got booked in, went to the clinic. And it's much like an old deli at a supermarket. You walk in, you grab a ticket. And everyone will. At the clinic? At the clinic. Yeah.

So, you get a ticket. The technology was amazing. I'll get five stars pulled a ticket sat down with the rest of what I refer to as victims because we're all sitting there like you know when you go to an airport and there's

those seats and there's always a seat in the middle of everyone like no one wants to touch knees it's not that scary so we're all like this no one wanted to talk all it was was a conveyor belt of men walking up a hallway perfectly fine and then sort of walking back like they've just ridden a horse

like a slight limb Yeah, and they're like, we're all in it together. I wanted to ban us together, but also how do you start that conversation? What do you do? Yeah, what's the icebreaker? There isn't one. He's just like, what are you here for? Hair cut?

Anyway, so I get called up and I go up, and the thing is with the vasectomy is for a doctor, they tell you it's an irreversible procedure, mainly because it can be a reverse, but there's a chance that it might not work, which for your mental health down the track is really important. So you need to know what to expect. And there's a lot of that. It's a big moment. So, yeah, I get called up and you go in and the doctor talks you about, you know, what to expect

and that it's irreversible, it's fine. And then they, ready, here you go. And you're awake for the whole procedure, kind of like brain surgery, probably just as complex. Very similar. So similar. On par. Anyway, I found myself just so nervous and anxious

about this procedure that I just was sweating profusely. I couldn't stop it. And I found out later that my dad did the same, just generational. He didn't tell you? No. It was scared me. It was just like, getting a haircut.

You'll be fine. Yeah. I've had haircuts that have taken longer. Let's be honest. And I remember saying, they said, okay, we're all done. You can get up. And I was that quick. And I said, I would love to get up, but I've sweat so much.

I'm stuck to the table. So they had to peel me off the table like an old sticker. Just to get up and off. And then they sit you back down and they wheel out an iPad in front of you. And there's another video about what to expect with recovery, what's going to happen next, what you should and shouldn't do. And then after that, it's followed by the doctor himself pops up on the iPad and asks for a review.

No wonder he's got five stars. He's like, make sure you leave five stars. How many stars did you give him? Five. Of course. I was too scared. Of course. I was too scared not to.

I was still in his office. And then after that comes up with a refer a friend. And is this? He's over there. Yeah. and I walked out of that room like a cowboy down the hall

give the boys the thumbs up the rest of the victims they're all scared then you walked a little bit more I ended up doing 15Ks on foot and woke up the next morning bruised up to my belly button and they said go home

I don't like I don't like rules Matthew and so the recovery was dreadful so Matthew if you are going to get a vasectomy, I would say, go to the pub straight after. Got it. Got it. Thank you. And this is why we don't give any advice on the podcast. Also...

And it's funny with something like a vasectomy, we have couples dinners. And by the time you get to the end of the couple's dinner, there's like three or four vasectomy's booked in. Speaking of surgery at the moment, my mum has just had shoulder surgery. I'm not sure if people have seen on my social media. I've been doing her hair. Yeah. Does everyone know Ellie? Yeah. Oh, good. Such a good. She would love that. Such a good son.

Yeah, she is looking up to the kids because Laura is away at the moment. But it's concerning because we are having a kid in just a couple of weeks. Nana's got her arm in a sling. She's no longer around for... She wasn't very useful before that. How dare you?

How dare you? It's just the truth. No, she's pretty good. One second, you're praising her, then you're knocking her down. But it's a worry because, Laura's really busy. I've got a lot going on. The podcast is just so popular.

It's... So much work. So much work. It's crazy. Jess, I produce is like, be nice for you guys did something, but sorry, Jess. But at the moment, I'm staring down the barrel of maybe trying to find another babysitter. And this is something that you guys want to understand because you never... Never paid for a babysitter.

You never paid for a babysitter. Wow. Yeah. Wow. We have my wife's father, Frank Popper, who is so maternal, any more maternal, he'd be able to breastfeed. So at the moment, I've also got this like PTSD or when I tried to find a babysitter last time. And I'm, if you heard this story, strap on in. We were looking for a babysitter and we looked at promoting this job every way possible. So it on LinkedIn?

I was close to doing a LinkedIn post, but we were on social media. We had agencies. We were going far and wide. The net was very big that was cast. And it was hard to find anyone that was suitable. It really was. It's tough out there. It's not that I'd know, but it's tough.

really hard. And we only had three suitable applicants for this job of being a babysit up. The first one, the first roadblock was the fact that I said, you will need to cook a meal every now and then. And spaghetti? I just said, no, nothing fancy. It's not like, you know, it's not lobster. It's not caviar. Sure. It's not like a, I said, can you cook a lobster? I just said a spaghetti bolognais, and she rolled her eyes, and I said, this is not the babysitter for me. Babysitter number two didn't show up. the interview. Give her the job. Babysitter number three, she came in. And the moment she opened the front door, the sun was beaming behind her. And I just had this feeling, this energy entered the

room that I knew I'd found someone quite special. And straight away, she had these coloring in pencils. She came prepared. She gave it to the kids. She had a treat for Buster. I was like, this is perfect. And she said she'd been a babysitter her whole life. She loved kids. And I was like, well, I think we've just found our new babysitter. Congratulations. Got the job. When can you start? She said Monday. I said, perfect. I'll see you then. Laura was out the door really early. So on day one, she came in, and she was different. That sunlight that was behind her was no more.

How so? How so? Well, she came in, and she was just very meek. And she went to Lola, who's my second child, the youngest. She was three at the time. And she said, would you like to get ready for daycare? And Lola went. went, no. I don't want it. And then she looked at me and said, I'm out of ideas. I don't know what to do. And I thought, you know, it's day one. She's probably nervous. That's fine. I'll get her ready. And then when it came time to driving them to daycare, it's a tricky daycare, it's hard to park. I thought, I'll hop in the car. Your micromanager. No, I was, I was just going to... The poor thing. First day at work and just like, I'll get him with you. I'd get out. Wow. You've been a passenger in my car and I want to get out. jump in the car with her

and we reverse out the driveway and it was just foot to the floor we shot out the back of the driveway she didn't look left or right luckily there were no cars there and she said I'm so sorry the accelerator is a bit sticky and I said yeah it is a bit sticky that's fine and then as we're driving there we went through

a T junction there's a stop sign straight through good on her she's got no time for that well I like the efficiency and I said I'm so sorry you've just there's a stop sign back there And she goes, I'm so sorry.

And I'm like, she's not, she's from South America. You're also micromanaging her. She's nervous. I get that. I get that. You know, it's, it is nerve-wracking having someone breathe down your neck. Your boss. He's also the father of the children in the back.

Well, I was just wanting to do the right thing, Ash. And I don't know if you're familiar with a part of the eastern suburbs, the Bondi to Bronte Walk. Never heard of either of those suburbs. Beautiful part of the world. It's a lovely walk. And Tamab Beach has got this. really lovely footpath that a lot of people walk down and they enjoy the view of one of the most beautiful beaches in Sydney.

According to people in the eastern suburbs. Sorry, you're from northern beaches. But it was a great morning. A lot of people were out and we were going around this part of the road and she was really hugging the curb and I was worried about not just the children but the wheels of the car. It was a newish car and I didn't want to scratch the wheels. You don't want to bung your manager's car up.

But I didn't want to say anything. I didn't want to micromanage. That's the point you decided to stop micromanaging. Well, I thought there's a limit to everything. And I said, I'm not going to say anything. I'm going to let her learn on her own accord. And as we were going around a corner, seconds away from what it felt like was scraping the wheel,

someone in front of us, it was a very busy morning, was running, went to overtake someone by stepping onto the road as we were approaching. And I thought to myself, if she doesn't slow down, she's going to hit this person. I didn't say anything.

I didn't say anything. That's when you need to micromanage. I thought she was in control. Next thing, this guy hits the bonnet of the car. I know. He flies up. The kids are looking at him. He's looking at the kids.

You've got a sunroof too. He lands behind us. puts the brakes on and then everyone is well walking they stop as well. The witnesses the witnesses. Jesus! Run all them over too? I was almost going to say just keep driving but I did it. I'm not that kind of person. That would be illegal. So I hop out, I look at this guy, he's laying on the road and I don't say anything and I'm like I don't know how to approach situation. What do you do? Thankfully he gets up. He dust himself off and he says I am sorry. What did you say?

And I said, that's okay. He then got up and he ran off. Just took off. Well, he's probably... The heart rate. We got a PB going on. Five minute case. Hop back in the car.

She's crying. I said, I'll drive, it's fine. And I didn't have the heart to fire her on day one because I'm a nice guy. So I kept her for a week until she admitted that she'd never been a babysitter in her life. And she quit on me. How dare she?

I know. And then she hit you with her car. Or your car. So that's what I'm staring down the barrel of right now. Well, we wish you all the luck with the baby. If anyone has a baby sitter, I want to recommend for Matt. Please. It would really help us all out.

Anyone here? We do a segment called Pear Rants. It is one of our favourite segments. On the podcast. I named it because it's so clever. It had to be me. We don't have the intro song. We're not allowed to play the intro song, I don't think.

We will sing it. So we're going to sing it right now? No. But a pair rant is essentially, it's a safe place where parents can just vent about all the terrible parts of parenting. It's amazing because there's so many terrible parts. We all love our kids. We do love our kids. Absolutely.

No question about it. Unconditional love. But God. Keep saying things like that. God, it is. Makes it sound worse. Is there anyone here he's not a parent? Oh.

Gosh, it must be nice. Do you want a couple of kids? But we ask people to submit their pair rant, and we've got a couple here that we've... Yes, we do. I did say they'd be anonymous, but let's read the names out. Yeah, you're going to get names ashamed here. Okay, I'm going to go first here.

And I love it when someone sends one in that they're midway through the argument with themselves already. And they're like, this is from Libby. And she says, try working at a daycare in the baby's room, navigating everyone's new routines because of daylight savings. I think that was off the back of us slagging off daycare or early educated, sorry, sorry. Early educated.

Oh, God, yeah, yeah, yeah. This one is from Taylor and she says, is anyone else in a narcissistic relationship with their almost four-year-old? We could be having the most loving moment and then he'll hurl abuse at me for saying no to a third biscuit before dinner because somehow I'm the bad guy.

You are. In their mind, you're always the bad guy. This morning I took Lola riding a bike at the park for hours. We got baby Chino's. We got home and she said, can I watch TV? I said, not just yet.

She goes, I hate you, Dad. That's fair. Actually, Matt showed me a video of her riding a bike this morning and she can't ride and talk at the same time. So she'll talk, ride, talk. Turn a corner, talk. It's exhausting. It's exhausting.

A long day for you, my friend. This one's from Brody. My kids are treating my car like a rubbish bin. no matter how many times I say my car is not a rubbish bin according to children everywhere is a rubbish bin everywhere I know I catch Oscar all the time stepping over an old yogurt that's on the carpet

and I'm like wait pick it up he's like you get it what is wrong with you but again love our kids they are beautiful they're the reason we're here cherish every moment this is from Melanie when you order something off the kids menu at a restaurant and it comes to the table it's place in front of the child and it is hotter than

lava. You then have to sit there for the next half an hour with them throwing a tantrum because I don't understand why they can't eat their food. To restaurants, do better. Excuse me. It's funny because when they put a hot plate in front of an adult, you're like, don't touch the plate

and we touch it. What do you think a toddler's going to do? And then they cry, it's a whole scene. It's when you get baby Gino's. Just make all their food lukewarm. Luke warm. They don't get it. They should pre-pre-prepare the kids' meals before their shifts start, and then they'll be ready. Just serve it's stone-cold.

Who are we kidding? They leave it till it's stone-cold anyway. Should we do lies? We should do some lies. That's an old segment. We bring it back here and there. It's got a great song, too. We've sung that one as well.

I know. I really wish we could sing it. We don't have a lot of money for the production. But we won't. We won't. A lot of people talk to me and say, I will never lie to my children. That's garbage. Idiots.

We don't mean like big lies, like things that are going to impact them that much. We talk about things like the park's closed. Yeah. It's not. Simple, harmless, victimless. White lies. Every now and then we get a lie like the fire alarms are actually Santa Claus watching you. Oh, yeah.

And I'm like, oh. Oh, this ice cream is spicy. That's like a little bit borderline. But most of the time, it's just about trying to make sure that our kids, we mitigate a meltdown, a tantal. tantrum. We try and get them to behave. And what we do is we share these lies with our audience because we're all about helping each other build up an arsenal of parenting tips. Yeah, I know. I was like, oh, I went in with a few lies for this podcast and now I've got a book

full of them. Oh, yeah. And I love the variations from like the food spicy to like, oh, it's boiling hot. Like to stop anything like that. Any variation to throw a kid off I'm all about. They'll believe anything. This is from Joanna. I've got the first one here. She said, Whenever I'm eating something and I don't want to share, I tell my kids that it's medicine. Unfortunately, these are medicine donuts. And the doctor made the medicine in the donuts, just so it would taste not as bad.

Genius. I love that. The only problem is April and I told our kids that medicine's lolly water. So I'm sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place there. Kids are like, mm-hmm. Give us some of that medicine water again. They're like, I'm sick. That's a good one.

See, food variations are great. I love that. from Daisy. This is good. Put your kids show on in Mandarin and convince them they don't understand the words because they're too tired. Oscar the other day, my eldest, he's six.

He put his favourite show on and he accidentally put it on Mandarin. And he was like, what the hell is going on? Can you understand them? And I was like, he must be tired. This one is from Amy. And she says, we put his clock forward an hour.

So he thinks it's later. He spent the last 12 months thinking he was going to sleep at 8.30, but really it was just 7.30. The time between them getting back from any daycare or any supervision, between then and when they go to bed, time stops still. It's like, you know, when you drive on the freeway and there's the servos, the time just doesn't exist. It's the same thing.

So putting it forward. And then also you sort of combating daylight savings there. Genius. Ever change the clocks. we use a bottle of moisturiser as magical cream um where am i for every bump and scratch saving us tons on band-aids genius at the moment because lola any little bump regardless of whether there's any mark there's blood there's anything she's like yep band-aid another one and she only wants to have a band-aid for one day so after a day

she rips them off and goes, yep, bring another band-a. At least she's making the day with it. I'm churning through band-aids right now. The stock's gone up. Oh, my God. Write these down. Write them all down. I don't see anyone writing these down.

They're all up here. This last one, it is from Sam. And she says, the rides at the shopping centre only work when it's your birthday. So if there are kids riding them, obviously, it's their birthday. I love seeing a parent put their kid on it and pay for it, and there's two extra seats. and they just see me running with my two kids. Quick! Hop on! Yeah, but I pay it back. I pay it for it.

I tap it and then let other kids get on. I just send their parents an invoice. You're part of the problem. We just collectively agree that those rides will never get paid for. And the thing is they put a tap on it now? Okay, and that's sure. They put a tap on it now, so it's like, oh, sorry, bud, I don't have any money. He's like, give us your phone.

Give us your drive. phone. They know. Have you heard of Apple Pay? If you would like to submit a parenting lie or a pair rant, you can of course do that at hello at 2dotingdands.com.com. You can. Or on our socials, you can DM us.

That would be great. We love them. We keep them. We collect them. And any variation of a lie is great. So we love it. But also, if you enjoyed this episode, we would love it because we are actually going to package this up.

Put it on Apple Podcasts. You are all going to be not on it. How does that feel? We're the stars. We're the stars here. But if you've enjoyed it, we would love a reviewie. I think we're at 751, who's counting. I'd love to get to a thousand.

So if there's anyone here who hasn't reviewed, I would love it if you would. April? Have you reviewed? Good. Angie, have you reviewed? Oh, my... Get out.

You've come to our live show before you've done a review. Were you basing your review off this live show? One star. Love it. It's the fuel that keeps us going. is for sure. But to anyone here who has been following us for a while, we want to say thank you so much for coming to our first live show. We do record it on the dining room table, and it's just us. This is weird. And it's weird having people here.

Ash, I'm thinking, I'm thinking this idea just popped into my head. Should we do more than just the one-off live show? Is this going to be like a little like little mini tour? Is that? TBC. I'm going to carry it away. I'm excited. I think, look, I did say yes. I'm just buzzinging off the live show. Someone asked us that question live and I was like, you know what?

I'm pulling rank here. Yes. Yes. Let's do it. Don't listen to him, guys. No, we'll see. We hope you enjoyed this episode. A huge thanks to Apple for having us once again and we would love it.

If you guys would give us a review on Apple Podcasts, of course. Just a couple of comments, a couple of stars. We got one actually from the live show. Oh, beautiful. What did it say? If you want to know what it says, go read it and then leave a comment. I will. going to do it right now and we'll see you guys next week see you bye bye two doting dance podcast

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