Two Hot Takes - 180: So Wrong it Feels Illegal.. Ft. Rebmasel

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Two Hot Takes host, Morgan, is joined by guest co-host Rebmasel! Have you ever heard something that's so bad to feels like it could (or should) be illegal? I mean there's a law against writing a $1 ch...eck.. Well that's how these stories left me! From a woman whose husband played a prank on her relating to some trauma to someone who thinks the blanket their sister made them is ugly.. we are in for a wild ride! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on these ones. Checkout Reb's Content!! https://rebmasel.komi.io/ LIVE SHOW TICKETS HERE!! https://linktr.ee/twohottakestour MERCH IS ON SALE HERE ! https://shop.twohottakes.com Bonus Content on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TwoHotTakes I can't wait to see you all in these, especially at our live shows!! Our PO Box!! Two Hot Takes. 5042 Wilshire BLVD. #470. Los Angeles, CA 90036 Our SubReddit to Submit YOUR Stories!!! https://reddit.app.link/twohottakes Full length Video episodes available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoHotTakes Partners: Mint Mobile:  mintmobile.com/tht VIIA: Try VIIA Hemp! https://viiahemp.com/ Promo Code: THT  Ro: Ro.co/tht Lume: Lumedeodorant.com Promo Code: THT

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi friends, welcome back to another week's episode. Thank you so much for letting us take a week off last week We were in Minnesota home for the holidays aka the Minnesota State Fair Justin's birthday my mom's birthday. So we were just getting some much-needed rest and relaxation So thanks for letting us do that As you guys know we're going back on tour very soon and we are giving away two tickets for each show over on our Instagram, or if you check the link in the description, you'll see how you can enter for tickets.
Starting point is 00:00:33 But other than that, enjoy the episode. I'm so excited we're finally doing this. I'm really jazzed. I've been wanting to do it for so long. Not that I'm like, but I knew that your last video was a nightmare with the flooding. I was like, you know, it's like, I'm not worried about it. Like I wasn't offended. I was like, you know, like she has shit going on.
Starting point is 00:00:53 And then you're like, I'm a goldfish. I remember I'm a goldfish. It's like, okay, perfect. I literally, the stuff I forget, it's insane. But here we go. I have an amazing theme for us today. But first, let's introduce you. Let's fill everyone in if they're not familiar with you
Starting point is 00:01:08 and your amazing stuff you have going on. My amazing stuff, my amazing everything. Everything. I'm RebMaisel online on TikTok, on YouTube, on Instagram. I have a podcast called Rebuttal Pod and I am a practicing attorney in California, which is great. Part of the reason why people, I guess,
Starting point is 00:01:29 started enjoying me on TikTok is because I am an attorney. I am a woman. Oh my God, the court. Right? Yeah, the court transcripts. The court transcripts. I read funny court transcripts on there, and I am a lawyer and a woman who doesn't have a bob
Starting point is 00:01:44 and a stick up her ass. So I think for most people that's really jarring, like they're not, I mean, yeah, legally blonde was cute, but let's be serious is what they always are assuming, right? You got to be boring and you can't be funny and you have a personality as an attorney, which any lawyer in this field would tell you that even the judges are giggling,
Starting point is 00:02:04 giggling along with me and having a ball, which is great. You know what I recently discovered? What? It's like a Rate the Judge website. Oh, that's beautiful. What website is that? I don't know what it's called. It's like Rate My Professor, but like Rate This Judge. It depends on the state, because obviously state court judges in every county and state are very different. Federal judges, it's like, okay, you know, by a circuit,
Starting point is 00:02:31 but could be different. But yes, the rate my judge thing is funny because- Die at those. It's kind of like rate your professor in the sense that unless this professor was the best of all time or the worst, most heinous person you've ever had speak to you, you're not rating in the middle. So the judge ratings are always like,
Starting point is 00:02:53 destroyed my life, unfair, corrupt, like the worst names you could possibly call someone. And then if you ever look into the ratings a little deeper, right, if they like give any details that could like get you to kind of search through the cases, it's like a very fair ruling and they fully, definitely needed their case to be dismissed, you know, excise and whatever. So I don't know how much you can trust them, but I have never written one. Legally, that's my disclaimer. I've never written one.
Starting point is 00:03:19 There you go. I looked up my aunt who is a judge and she's like family law. I looked up my aunt who is a judge, and she's like family law. Love. So she's dealt with like a lot of really hard, intense cases. And some of the reviews she had, I was like, Yeah. Did you know family law is the most dangerous area of law to practice in? As an attorney, criminal law is not even fucking close. I can see that.
Starting point is 00:03:40 No, no, no, no, no, no. You learn in law school, our professors tell us, yeah, so being a criminal offense attorney or a prosecutor, being in that field, whatever, that's not where you need to like have a bodyguard and lock your doors and shit and be terrified of, you know, having your life threatened or your family's life threatened. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:03:57 You know, it's family law or anything to do with property because people get really upset about inheritances. Oh my God, yes. And wills and probate and all of that. And they also get get really upset about inheritances and wills and probate and all of that and they also get obviously really upset about custody and children and divorces. I mean people kill to not pay alimony. Oh my god. Literally.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Men will do anything but get a job. Let me tell you that. I'll tell you that. Okay. They will do everything. Hot takes from the job. They look piping hot. Piping fucking hot.
Starting point is 00:04:23 Half the time it's like your ex doesn't want you anymore. Like your baby mother doesn't want you. She simply needs a good diaper to put on her, on your child actually, on your child. And they're like, how dare you? It's messy. It's messy. So family law, yeah, no, I was told basically you will die. You will be, I mean, not you won't die, but family attorneys will vouch. You will get more threats. You'll get more death threats, anything.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I've been on lockdowns as a civil defense litigator. I mean, we have like heavy security. Like I have to hit a badge against three different things to get to my desk. And we've had, you know, hey, you guys, an email circulated, here's the mugshot of, you know, so and so's client. He has on the record stated that he threatened
Starting point is 00:05:03 our entire firm and said that all lawyers are pieces of shit and deserve to die. And so we're going to just err on the side of caution and assume that means us. So yeah, we're going to have three new security guards who are going to escort you in and out of the building. And he probably is armed. And also here's a security surveillance screenshot of him in our lobby last week with a fake cop badge. And I'm reading this email, mind you, I'm reading this fucking hey you guys, like Monday,
Starting point is 00:05:33 you know, reply all ass email and look at this mugshot. And I'm already in the parking lot at my office already in the parking lot with my full blazer lawyer uni on I'm like I would have come in sweats bitch. I would have been like I don't know where the lawyers are probably not. It's not on. I'm like, I would have come in sweats, bitch. I would have been like, I don't know where the lawyers are. Probably not, it's not me. I looked like one. I was like, damn it. Like they clocked me.
Starting point is 00:05:51 They're gonna clock me. I'm like, of course. And immediately in like our associate group chat, like our attorney group chat, all of the young, cool, funny attorneys who use humor to cope are like, I mean, did you guys see what he said about lawyers? You know, all lawyers are bastards, they need to die. And we're all like, I mean, did you guys see what he said about lawyers? You know, all lawyers are bastards, they need to die.
Starting point is 00:06:07 And we're all like, I mean, he has a point. Or like, I mean, I'm like, look, I'm not saying he's right for this, but like, you know, let him cook. I don't know, let him cook. Shit, like, so fair King, please don't kill me. I'm like taking my blazer off to like, oh God. I'm just like you. Yeah, I hate lawyers too.
Starting point is 00:06:24 I hate lawyers and I hate paying alimony and being a good father. Terrible. Literally the worst. Terrible. Ever. Love those shoes. I don't know what to say.
Starting point is 00:06:35 God. I got to get you on my dad's show too, because we just had the craziest write-in on his show. And it was someone trying to be like, I regret leaving my ex-husband. And this guy is so, he was so deranged and just so terrible to her. He was basically like,
Starting point is 00:06:52 our son is never gonna forgive you for tearing apart his family. And if you take me back, then I'll stop being so mean and terrible. And it's like, you're scary. Like you are scary. Yeah, no, and I'm putting you on mute and typing out an email while you're giving me that rant.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Like, how do you sleep at night, I'm like, with a silk pillowcase in the EC on high. Like, I'm, you know, it's not because I'm representing evil people or working cases or doing things that I think are morally corrupt for a bag. 90% of the time in our field of work, it's like, or our field of work, it's like our line of work, I guess,
Starting point is 00:07:27 it's very much just, hey, yeah, so this is the law, right? We're going to apply it and you don't like it. The results sucks. Okay, it's not great, but I'm not doing anything that isn't what should happen. If you're a good lawyer, right? If you're respectable and you know, people don't like to not get their way. Shocking, right?
Starting point is 00:07:46 Especially if you listen to this show. Shocking that you're, you know, people might not always be correct, even if they feel very strongly about something. And that should be on a fucking t-shirt. Like a 70, like a tiny 10-point font, like just down a sweatshirt, yeah. Put that in the pod description.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Like we are very rarely 100% on this show. Like, take it all with a grain of salt. We're coming at you off the cuff. God bless. God bless. I hope I hurt your feelings. Mine are too. Mine are hurt too.
Starting point is 00:08:18 But it's going to be fine. Oh, my god. Let's just preface this whole episode, though, off the jump for a little reb here. This is not legal advice whatsoever. No, let's just preface this whole episode though, off the jump for a little reb here. This is not legal advice whatsoever. No, it's not. This is us just spittin' some takes based on some crazy stories today.
Starting point is 00:08:33 The theme I have for us is, so wrong, it feels illegal. Amazing. Incredible. Let's see what we got. Not that doing things illegal is fun, but it's fun right now. Or wrong. Or wrong! Sometimes, ignore that she's over there, the lawyer.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Sometimes you have to go against the law, you know? No comment. There are certain times, you know, me... Okay, let's dive in. Okay. So speaking of alimony, I feel like you're already going to have some good ones about this one. This is coming from Legal Advice UK. It is Scotland related, titled, Divorce.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Can I go after ex-wife's daughter's income? Is it a man or what? I'm already, I need to shut up. I need to shut up and let you get through it because I'm already pissed. My wife and I are separating due it because I'm already pissed. Okay, go on. My wife and I are separating due to irreconcilable differences. It appears it's going to be a clean split on the finances. I'm buying out her half of the house, et cetera.
Starting point is 00:09:54 My main issue is that my wife has moved out to stay with her daughter now, which leaves me to cover all of the household bills, et cetera. I earn about 80K a year, so it won't be an issue, but up until now we had always split bills 50-50, so I have grown accustomed to a certain standard of living. My wife is only on a minimum part-time wage, so I don't think I would be able to go after her salaried income. However, now she lives with her daughter, who is quite well off, and she has very little outgoing expenses other than food, phone bill, and car payments, as I'm assuming her daughter
Starting point is 00:10:30 will be paying my wife's way. So once the dust has settled here, I'm going to be spending more every month and she will be spending less. Is there any recourse for going after my stepdaughter's income since it will be being spent on my wife. So would that count as income for my wife? I would like to know, please help. Well, again, again, again, I cannot give my legal advice or legal opinion
Starting point is 00:10:57 on the laws of Scotland for sure. And I'm not even going to get into what it would be in America, but it just as a person that I am, a hot take that I am, anything but getting a job. Absolutely anything but getting a Trebaho. That's what men, wait, you said it was a man, no? There was never a mention actually.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Let's think, let's throw on ballparking, okay? This is your stepdaughter. It's not even your daughter. And yeah, okay, would it be better or worse that they were going after their biological daughter's income? Yeah, but like the audacity to go based on the assumption alone that your ex-wife is obviously gonna be living off of her daughter's income, babes, who the fuck said that?
Starting point is 00:11:47 Maybe your ex-wife's getting a job after getting free from that cage, that fucking jail that she was in with your ass. Oh, you suck. Wait, also, Tio, he's like, oh, we got accustomed to a standard of living. So who was providing the funds for that standard of living when you were together? That's what I'm kind of I'm curious about because he's making 80k a year in Scotland. Quick Google search. Don't know what that means. 80k a year in Scotland. According to r slash Scotland, a Reddit sub, this person would consider 50k a good salary in Scotland, north of Edinburgh. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:25 So 80K seems like that is quite nice. You're not impoverished, that's for sure. You're not scrounging for dollars. That seems pretty good. If you want to get another Audi to add to the collection, obviously look at your stepdaughter. That's insane. It's insane. Like to even go after your wife who's making less than you. Like he realized
Starting point is 00:12:47 that he couldn't go after the wife because she's making less. She's got a minimum part-time gig. Yeah. But then to be like, I'm going to go after my stepdaughter. In what world? Not in this, not in the world I'm living in. In what world? Not in this world. Not in this world. Unless, and this is literally unless, no, there's not even an unless in this situation.
Starting point is 00:13:07 No, you can't. No, you can't do that. No, no, no. No. No, you can't. No, you can't. All right? You're done in your split. Whatever complexities you wanna argue about
Starting point is 00:13:20 with respect to your relationship with that other person, argue all you want, you know, different divorce. Look, there are 50 different states in this country that have 50 different divorce, literally divorce laws. State, it's a state law issue. I don't know how it is in Scotland, but what your children make isn't not going, right? Like my income is not gonna be touched
Starting point is 00:13:42 because my mom married a douche. Sorry, sorry, Queen. If my mom's listening, her and my dad are still together, but... Don't worry about that. Just future reference. Future reference if you ever want to leave him, like, don't touch my couch. It's really crazy. And I think it's like, if you can't afford the same living you're accustomed to, like, don't buy her out of the house, sell the house.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Exactly. Downsize. Exactly. living you're accustomed to, like don't buy her out of the house, sell the house, downsize. You have other ways to maintain your quality of life that maybe isn't having this big house by the sounds of it. You can change a little. Right. Obsessed with you because you're like, here's the logical, like, let's do an account, like go on accounting Reddit, right?
Starting point is 00:14:21 Let's start like opening up some Excel spreadsheets and really budget. Budget a little, right? And I immediately, knowing the tone of that post, just went straight to, fuck you. I know that they don't, you know what I mean? People like that, when their mind goes there, they don't want to listen to someone saying, hey, how about the alternative here instead of going after a daughter that isn't even yours as income, which you probably legally cannot fucking do.
Starting point is 00:14:47 No. Why don't you just get a better job or rework what you think is your standard of living? Exactly. But they won't. No, and OP is fighting in the comments here. Fighting for their life? Good. So top comment. You want to know whether after divorce and a clean split of your finances, if you can go after your stepdaughter's income
Starting point is 00:15:09 to supplement your accustomed standard of living because your ex-wife will be paying less per month in general, is that what you're actually asking? That's a wait, pause. Really? That is a lawyer, so lawyers, what we do, obsessed, is anytime a client says something so... Or opposing counsel, honestly, in like email, phone, whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I mean, I haven't typed it, tap, tap, tap. Anytime anyone says something so outlandish, telling them it's outlandish will never help anything because they genuinely think that what just came out of their mouth sounded fine. So when you hear it back, right? Play that back. Nobody hates the sound of their voice until you hear it on a recording. Same exact thing with dumb fucking commentary and opinions. Okay? The lawyer thing going, okay, let me get this clear. So you wanted, right? And you walk them through what you just fucking said. Do I have that correct? And if they say yes, then you're like, okay, you're insane.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Or people will go, oh, that does sound crazy. You're right. On the same track, keep going. God, you're making me want to go to law school. It took God. Look. You're like, run girl, run. The reason why I'm here in this couch
Starting point is 00:16:22 is because I got so violently ill and depressed studying for the California Bar Exam in 2020, great year to do it, that I needed an outlet online to just be, just do anything other than, you know, stab something in my sleep. So I started posting dumb TikToks, but now we're here. Now we're here. But other than that, yeah, sure, go to law school. I'll hold your hand. I'll give you all my outlines in my books.
Starting point is 00:16:48 So OP responds, it feels unfair that she can trigger a divorce that results in her keeping more money each month and me losing more money each month. I wanted to know if there's anything I could do. And someone responds, she has a right to divorce you. I'm not getting why you have the audacity to feel she shouldn't be allowed to leave you.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Also, it's not like you're paying her alimony or child support. You're simply paying for the place you live in. Why should anyone help pay for your place of living? Are you stupid? Bars. I have no to add. Bars. Someone else goes, why do you think you're entitled to someone else's money? OP responds, I was only wondering based on the fact I have no pension, which means I can go after my wife's pension if it would be the same elsewhere in her finances. Are you even, are you?
Starting point is 00:17:44 What? Are you proofreading this? It makes no sense. And also like you said clean are you, are you proofreading this? It makes no sense. And also like you said clean financial split, right? Yeah. The way that the post was written was so as if it was, right? As if these things had happened, right? Like it was a clean financial split.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Yeah. Their split, it's over. So it feels like he's like, wait a minute. I have more. I just remembered he's like waking up in the middle of the night being like, I remember she has an insurance policy. She has a pension. Can I go after that now?
Starting point is 00:18:13 Can I go after that now? Baby, no. Like you get a stopping point for sure. Like you don't owe this person for life if you're not paying support, right? But it sounds like he's not. No. It sounds like they literally just packed up their shit. She said, I'm taking this, thank you.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Bye. Bye, I'm gonna go do whatever I wanna do. And also, how do you even know where she's living? There seems- You know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, are you stalking her socials? What's up? What's going on with that?
Starting point is 00:18:39 There seems like there's a lot of missing information here. Even this line where he's like, it feels unfair that she can trigger a divorce. Why did she trigger that divorce? Were you cheating? Was your finger on the trigger and she just, like, did a sudden move? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Because, come on now. What's going on there? And then it's like, oh, well, she has a pension, but she's working a minimum wage part-time job. Who? Usually, those don't give pensions. So, I feel like she maybe retired from retired from like a big job and now is just working part time to like keep up her interest and self-worth and like whatever else, you know.
Starting point is 00:19:12 So it's like, what missing details do we have here? Because you are clearly leaving a lot out. A lot of missing details. And also with respect to the, you know, stepdaughter, I mean, how long were they together? How old? I mean, how long were they together? How old? I mean, I'm assuming, right? Stepdaughter, let's say, let's say she's 30. Okay. At least she's older.
Starting point is 00:19:30 She's getting money. Apparently. Who knows? She's well off. Right. She's well off, but it's like, is this, is this your ex-wife's, you know, now second divorce or is this maybe just like a child out of wedlock? Fine.
Starting point is 00:19:40 But like, right. Like are you, did she maybe get money from like her ex-husband and now you're thinking, or maybe, right? Maybe like the ex-husband pays her a lot of money. And so he's like, oh, maybe, right? Maybe, like I can flip the script and now be the one that she has to pay. There's so, I mean, look, are we shocked that
Starting point is 00:19:58 probably narcissistic, very selfish people will leave out details in a story to make it sound better for them. Not shocked. I will learn information from my clients who are good people. I don't know how this person is a good person who really knows, who can really say, but who are good people and genuinely I think that they are, but they just, right? I'm like, you need to tell me everything, absolutely everything, especially the bad stuff, not because I'm not the cops, baby, right?
Starting point is 00:20:27 Trina Klein-Pilvich is the strongest person we have. I have no, there's no mandatory disclosure of shit. If anything, I have to shut my fucking mouth, which is hard to do sometimes, most of the time. They don't, right? They're like, no, I swear, I told you everything is swearing. Pinkies swear. And I'll be like, okay, because if I found out
Starting point is 00:20:41 that XYZ happened, which is kind of the vibe I'm getting, no, that didn't happen. Okay, perfect, six months down the line in front of a judge, I learned that XYZ happened, which is kind of the vibe I'm getting, no, that didn't happen. Okay, perfect, six months down the line in front of a judge I learned that XYZ for sure happened and I turned to my client like this. And at that point, I'm still there, I'm like, amazing. No, Your Honor, we did not intend to lie to the court, but right, like things like that.
Starting point is 00:21:00 But people- Just tell me. But it's not because they were like, oh, I'm gonna get away with this. It's like so many people just want so badly to for that for people to be on their side for their advocate to be on their Side. I'm like I'm paid to be on your side Even if you do the work like you can tell me the worst thing ever. I'm just I'm not paid Just just just to say I'd be a yes, man. I'm paid to tell you the best path I need all the info. I literally need to tell you what the best thing for need all the info to do that. Yeah, I literally need to tell you
Starting point is 00:21:25 what the best thing for us to do is, and finding shit out later is never good, including for this guy. Oh my God, you are literally that Sabrina Carpenter song, "'Please don't embarrass me, motherfucker.'" I swear my life. That's literally you with clients. Yes, see men don't embarrass me
Starting point is 00:21:39 because I don't let them get that far. No, that song quite literally is lawyers screaming it in the courthouse parking lot on God. Please motherfucker, do not embarrass me. Oh my God. I swear to God. And then you're embarrassed. And then you argue and you don't cry. They get you.
Starting point is 00:21:58 They get you. Okay, moving along to this next one. This one is coming from AITAH. It is titled, am I the asshole for trying to convince my wife to keep her mom away from us because she wants us to swap kids with her other daughter? Oh. Twins run in both of our families. We actually met at a twin festival in Ohio.
Starting point is 00:22:21 My brother and I did not marry twin sisters or even sisters from the same family, but my wife does have a twin, and her sister had twins, as did we. We have twin boys that are about six months older than their female cousins. It makes for some very cute pictures. My mother-in-law might be insane. She is trying to convince her daughters to trade, like a boy for a girl, so each girl can have a brother, I guess. I think it is the craziest thing I've ever heard. My wife also agrees, but won't tell her mom to drop it. My sister-in-law and her husband are on my side. It isn't something that any of us are entertaining. At first, I thought she was just making a joke. No such luck. She is seriously proposing this.
Starting point is 00:23:11 The thing that might make me an asshole isn't turning down this whack job. It's telling my wife it might be a good idea to distance ourselves from her mom. My wife loves her mom and her foibles. She says it's just the way she is, but I don't want my kids around someone so unstable that they think this is a normal thing to suggest. So am I the asshole? No, and it's giving restraining order. It's giving like the hand that rocks the cradle.
Starting point is 00:23:39 If anyone has seen that movie from like back then, like, look, listen, look and listen. Mother-in-laws can get insane in ways. if anyone has seen that movie from like back then. Like, look, listen, look and listen. Mother-in-laws can get insane in ways as this show has taught me so well, in ways that I didn't even think existed. And asking dead serious, 10 toes down, looking them dead in the eyes, asking your children to switch children.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Switch children, like being cousins isn't enough. Like how is that not, like my cousins I feel like are like my older brothers, whatever. You are not the asshole. She's not only an asshole, I think she's clinical. That's insane. I would never leave my children alone with this woman. Ever infinity. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Ever. It's giving kidnap. It's giving kidnap. It's giving kidnap. In every way, shape and form, it's giving like one eye squinted, what was that? Like literally backing away slowly out of the room. I don't even have words. Because she's not joking either, right? Like she's genuinely serious.
Starting point is 00:24:44 She's 12 cans short of a six pack. Like there's not even a way that you can be rational. And I'm not even trying to like, oh, two sides in at all. There's just- There's no way you can. There's just a two cans short of a six pack. She's a few tomatoes short of a thick sauce. Like what, the only benefit that she's saying
Starting point is 00:25:06 is that the, so the daughters can have, they're, right, have brothers? Yeah. You already, they're your cousins. They're your boy cousins. Raise them like siblings. And I'm sorry, did he mention that only like a few, like two of the parents were on his side?
Starting point is 00:25:20 Like, there's a camp building on her side? Like she's Marilyn Manson, cult type shit. Pardon me. So I think everyone is on the side of like, yeah, mom is crazy. But some people are like, it's fine. It's not that big of a deal. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:25:35 His wife, his wife doesn't want to say anything to her mom and shut her down, which I'm sorry. You need to stand by your partner, protect your children. And you need to tell your mom, mom, not entertaining this at all. Correct. This is not going to be brought up. And if it is, you are going to be asked to leave. It makes us feel uncomfortable, unsafe for our children.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Do not bring it up again. Correct. If you were anyone other than my mother, I would probably not see you again. If you were a friend, if you were a stranger, a coworker at work who kept insisting on this idea. It's weird. It's bizarrely weird. And blood doesn't matter when it comes
Starting point is 00:26:14 to protecting your kids, when it comes to protecting your family. And also it's like, yeah, no, you should be seeing them by your partner. It's not like, oh, they didn't defend me. You should be caring about your kid's livelihood enough. And also it would be insane when these kids grow up to be a little older, if the mom was like,
Starting point is 00:26:30 basically enabled to continue this shtick to like keep this idea going and not immediately let it go to the point where you're like, no, no, no, don't say it anymore. Then when these kids, you know, have a conscious, like become conscious and start hearing like this weird shit from grandma, like they want us to switch. What do you mean they want us to switch? Are you like, what do you mean? What if she's like, oh yeah, that's your brother, like actually, like that should be your brother. Like what if she
Starting point is 00:26:56 starts like talking to the kids like that? I don't know. I'm thinking worst case scenario, but like, that's not even, what is the benefit here? She has like some twisted boy-girl-kid-like fantasy. Like, what the fuck? Well, also like, what does it do for these kids? What does it do for you? Like... What does it do for the kids? That's the thing. I'm like, oh, you mean...
Starting point is 00:27:13 What does it do? Oh, I want the girl to have a brother and the brother to have a sister. Again, they have cousins who are twins and brother-sister. Like, we're like sisters, brothers. Yeah, exactly. It's like how... What does this change? That doesn't change a goddamn thing.
Starting point is 00:27:26 Siblings are siblings. Like I feel like for me, and I do understand like having a brother as a girl is different than having a sister. Totally. Like there are differences, right? But like these are twins. Like I feel like twins kind of do have like that bond and a different connection than just siblings.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I feel like they could get like, it's literally like twins have been born holding hands. Like twins in the middle of the night, like know, like they know where they are. Like they can sense their moods. And regardless of whether it's backed up by science or not, like I've known so many people who are twins, like through college, whatever.
Starting point is 00:27:57 And I knew a pair of mirror twins in college. Mirror twins where- What the hell is that? When they have, so they're like, shares obviously, but they're not identical, but they're mirrors. So like when one has a mole on this side, the other has a mole on that side. When one lost a tooth on this side, the other would lose a tooth on the other side. Mirror.
Starting point is 00:28:14 It was bizarre, right? Bizarre. One's right-handed, one's left-handed. Like literally mirror twins, okay? Birthmark everything. I don't know. That's crazy. Right?
Starting point is 00:28:22 Super crazy. And they would always say, because we'd always like joke and ask, I'm like, oh, like, can you like, like sense each other, whatever the fuck? And they're always say, because we'd always like joke and ask, I'm like, oh, like, can you like, like sense each other, whatever the fuck? And they're like, I don't know. Like, it's like, yeah, when I, she's like, yeah, sometimes I'm like having a good day, but I'll feel kind of down. And then like, I'll find out that my twin like was having a bad day.
Starting point is 00:28:35 And I'll be like, wow, we totally, it's like telepathy. We know. And yeah, probably maybe wrong, maybe isn't. But like, so many, there's so many accounts of accounts of twins saying I knew the moment my twin passed. Because I felt something, I knew. And then I got a phone call and I knew what it was. You can't switch fucking twins. Especially as children, I feel like they're gonna look
Starting point is 00:28:56 and be like, this doesn't smell like the mate that I had in the womb. Do you know what I mean? The roommate I had, the womb mate that I had. And what, no, no, no, and I hate, this is the thing too, I feel like the highlight of this episode too is like, people always say, oh, just wanna cast things off as a joke.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Like if, even if like his wife is like, oh, like she's not that serious, you know what I mean? It's not a joke. I'm like, but you're not funny. None of you are funny, first of all. And second of all, if no one's laughing, right, it flopped, it failed, it didn't land. So let's get serious, okay, about what this is.
Starting point is 00:29:28 She's clearly dead serious, and it's not a joke. Stop treating it like a joke when it isn't. Take it dead fucking serious, like she's gonna kidnap your fucking child out of their bed in the middle of the night and swap. That's what I'm envisioning. That's what it's getting. If you don't nip it in the bud and put your foot down, it could go that way.
Starting point is 00:29:46 You don't know what mental health stuff this mother-in-law is dealing with. Something. She could be having an episode of psychosis to where she does do this. Nip it in the bud for your safety, the health of wellness of your family, and for hers. And this is the thing too, is like, best case scenario, she's not mentally ill, she's just so weird and creepy. In that event, still goodbye, right? You don't want your kids to be around that, and I frankly don't want to fucking be around it, okay?
Starting point is 00:30:15 Do the same exact thing. Nip it in the bud, say no, no, no. So we're done with that, okay? Enough of that. And also, like, I would like your visits, my kids to be supervised, because what else? I mean, do you think this is an isolated incident? No. Of weirdness and creep... Like, sorry, that. And also, like, I would like your visits, my kids to be supervised. Because what else? I mean, do you think this is an isolated incident of weirdness and creep?
Starting point is 00:30:28 Sorry, that's creepy as fuck. That's creepy. Well, that's the thing. Like, if you don't want to go no contact with your mom, like, I get it. That's your mom. Like, if my mom all of a sudden flipped one day, going from my normal totally amazing mom to like trying to switch my kids, I would be like, wait, what? No, I don't want to go no contact with my mom.
Starting point is 00:30:45 Like this is just a little goofy on her part, but like, you know, but at the bare minimum, like supervision, like no time left alone, no taking all the grandkids out. And like, obviously at this point, if grandma did switch them, they would know. Different genders, I mean, biological genders, babes like they're gonna know. They're gonna fucking know. Different genders. I mean, biological genders, babes, like,
Starting point is 00:31:05 they're gonna know. They're gonna fucking know. But still, like, it's just a safety thing. And also, I think, too, what parents, I think, sometimes miss with the whole, like, I completely understand when people want to stay in contact with their parent who's very toxic, you know, whatever, or is really hurting,
Starting point is 00:31:23 you know, their marriage, whatnot. You know, they don't want to just cut them off at the first sign of creepiness and trouble, or weirdness and trouble like that. But the problem is that, right, you can feel a type of way about your relationship as a daughter or a son to your mother, but that should not somehow tie in your children, right? Your relationship with your mom is yours. It's not your kids to also bear the burden of.
Starting point is 00:31:48 If your mom can't have a relationship with you without also taking your grandkids out and having like, you know, then that's a problem because they don't have to have a relationship with their grandma, right? If that's going to not be safe for them, duh. You can go to lunch with your mom and have a jolly good time, okay, and get out of it what you need. But like, as the child, I'd be like, what does that got to do with me? You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:32:10 Like, she's weird, mom or dad, right? Like whatever. But even if the grandma was so great, it's like the grandma can prove that they're great, right? Like no one's obligated to your children. No one's obligated to your children except for like, you know, things that are decided by a court order or by someone's custody or by someone's biological, you know, relation in terms of father, parent type beat.
Starting point is 00:32:31 You know what I mean? That can get hazy. But like when it's a weird ass mother-in-law, whose feelings do I care about hurting? My kids or my fucking mother? Not hers. Not fucking hers. Your kids come first. Yeah. Kids come first. So there's some comments from OP on this one.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Someone goes, not the asshole. As a mom of two sets of twins, this idea is totally offensive. If my mom ever suggested anything like this, I'd insist on a psychiatric evaluation and a screening for early onset dementia. You have every right to shut this down hard. OP goes, two? Holy cow, I can't imagine.
Starting point is 00:33:10 Yeah, no. You've upset the twin community, the twin parent community, which is a big one, and they're strong. And they, look, listen, and I say this with all the love in my heart, like, that's offensive. It is offensive. What the fuck is that? It's really odd. Someone else goes,
Starting point is 00:33:25 Ask your wife how she thinks the children feel when they hear this talk, because they hear it. Can you imagine what it feels like to a young child to hear somebody talking about making you trade families? That could cause some serious issues for these poor children. This is not okay. It is not a game. Your wife needs to stop her mother from terrorizing your children.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Not the asshole. OP does respond, my sons are like not a year old yet, so I'm not sure they grasped the situation. The same person responds, I'm really surprised that your answer to my comment. I pointed out a really good reason to deal with this issue and your response was to dismiss it. Even if they don't understand now,
Starting point is 00:34:03 do you want them to wait until they do understand? When will that be? In three months, six months, definitely less than a year? This has to stop before they understand, doesn't it? Okay, commenter is now getting very pick me. It's not about you, okay, queen. Like, it's not, this isn't your post.
Starting point is 00:34:20 They're getting so offended. Why didn't you say how great my comment and my advice was, King, Queen, right? Let's like take it down a notch, like several notches. There's another comment here. I'd get paperwork for a nursing home and take it out the next time she brings it up. Explain that if she's going to act like a lunatic,
Starting point is 00:34:36 then she can go live in shady pines. That's so real and low key sounds like me. Is that my twin out there somewhere? Separated up right? I understand I'm very cognizant of the fact that the way that I deal with, that I would personally choose to deal with situations is not palatable to everyone and that's so fair.
Starting point is 00:34:54 But like that would for sure be something I did. Cause I'd be like, okay, obsessed with that comment. Here's the brochure, get the fuck out of my house, right? I'll see you like Goodbye. Hey, don't you want to have a deep conversation about it? Not really. No, we're good. We're good We're we're deaf. We're good. We're away from my kids. Yeah, we're bye. Bye, but some people are rational Oh, I want to chat about it Some people are rational. No rational. Oh
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Starting point is 00:37:09 to make me a hand-knitted blanket. I always wanted one just to have to go on the back of my sofa or my bed. So she said she'd love to make one. So after a while, the blanket was complete. Her and the elderly lady she works for made this blanket, and the colors were going to be a surprise to me. I literally had showed my sister a picture on the internet
Starting point is 00:37:30 though, of colors that I wanted to see in the blanket. So the day finally comes, where I get to open the box that she had wrapped, and it was supposed to be a surprise. So I opened it, and my first reaction was I loved it. It was super soft and it was extremely heavy because the blanket is 10 feet, seven inches long by five feet wide. But it's extremely ugly. It's got a dark hunter green fabric and yellow, red, white and green threads.
Starting point is 00:37:59 She told me that her little old lady picked out all the colors from Hobby Lobby, which my sister knows I fucking hate when she supports those homophobic companies. After seeing how big the blanket was, I told her I could probably sell it for $250. It's so huge. I didn't know what to do with it otherwise. So she said, yeah, go ahead and sell it if you want. So I posted it on Facebook Marketplace. For two weeks, not a single person messaged me to buy this blanket. I marked it down to $100 for one week. Again, not a single person
Starting point is 00:38:33 messaged me to buy this blanket. It is ugly, and I am not exaggerating. I will attach a picture in the comment section below. So I told my sister the other day, not a single person has messaged me to buy this blanket off of Facebook. And so I was going to package it up and mail it off to my cousin. My sister suggested that I should just throw it away. And I said, what, are you crazy? And because my cousin lives in Louisiana,
Starting point is 00:38:58 she went off and said, she literally lives in the hottest fucking place. Why would she need a blanket? And I said, did you not see the comment she posted on Facebook when I posted the blanket? She said, well, I'm glad you had one made for you. And since I'm not going to use it, I thought I would just pass it along
Starting point is 00:39:14 to somebody who would use it. So am I the asshole? No, I don't think so, but there's a lot to unpack here. There's a lot to unpack here. Because my thing is that this thing is so heinous and ugly, but it's huge lot to unpack here. There's a lot to unpack here. Because my thing is that this thing is so heinous and ugly, but it's huge and it's obviously like a knitted blanket. I mean, what if you have a picnic outside?
Starting point is 00:39:33 Like what if you have like a dog puke on your house and you need to like put something down? I don't know, you could like use this blanket. She's like so desperate to get off her hands. Like it feels like a horror movie where like the doll, you know, like the haunted doll. Oh my God, Annabelle. Yes, Annabelle.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Annabelle. And they're trying to like hot potato it. I'm like, it's a blanket. It's an ugly ass blanket. You're not going to get money out of it. You're going to just re-gift it, like a cursed blanket to a cousin. And also the sister sounds like she's not upset at all.
Starting point is 00:40:01 She's like vibing, I feel. I'm interpreting it like the opposite. Okay. I think the sister is so sad about this. Okay. And is just like, I think you should just throw it away. Like, because she's so hurt by this. Okay, yeah, no. At first I was like, wow, she's like being really nice about this,
Starting point is 00:40:19 but that actually makes a lot more sense. Yeah. I, this is my thing, okay? You can choose to shut your mouth. Always shut up. Lawyer, but that's actually can be legal advice. Shut your mouth, okay? Shut your mouth, right? Shut your mouth.
Starting point is 00:40:34 If your sister maybe was expecting to see it on the back of your couch, like she said in the beginning, for sure be like, hey, like I think it's clashing maybe, like a bit with like my scheme. But I do still have, and I love it. I use it. It's so warm., and I love it, I use it, it's so warm, when we have movie night, I wear the blanket. You can say things like that.
Starting point is 00:40:50 You don't have to be brutally honest and be like, I wanna sell it for money that you, right? This was a gift, like why do you need to sell it? I'm gonna send it to a cousin, okay, red flags are flying, like you have to tell your sister, cause your sister's gonna see it. I mean, you didn't have to say, like, she's like giving the like very detailed breakdown
Starting point is 00:41:09 to her sister about how fucking ugly this shit is. Do you want to see it? And you don't, yeah. Better have like a really, is it that ugly? No. Oh, wait, this is gonna make me sad. It's beautiful. Wait, I'm really sad.
Starting point is 00:41:21 It's a beautiful. It's like 90s, like, you know, like the 90s, like, um, like, like talk, like ski, ski, yes, like ski outfits. Wait, that. It is beautiful. I'm pissed off. Wait, this bitch is insane. Yes, you're the asshole.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Back it up. You are the fucking asshole. And the color, it's literally like a little bit different than the color of the green that I'm fucking wearing right now. That is so put on the show. I'll hang it up back there. I'm way that makes me mad. I take back everything I said.
Starting point is 00:41:53 She should have shut her fucking mouth. No, she should have given it to her cousin. Her cousin maybe would have loved it forever because now I'm mad that you have it because that's such a cute. And also the fact that she took a photo of it when it's folded up trying to make it seem like it's like, oh, like, it's gonna be folded up.
Starting point is 00:42:08 I love the rainbow little colors. It also looks like it's well done. I'm not a knitting gal. I don't really know like about like how, whether it's good or not, but it looks fucking good to me. It looks incredible. Knitting. It keeps you warm. Have you ever knitted?
Starting point is 00:42:21 Yes, I knit, knit, knit. But there's a difference between crochet and knit. But I know that there's like a very, like in, look, you can't fuck those up, okay? There are some niche communities that would be like, babe, like that's like a slur, like do separate it. So whether she knitted or crocheted it, like amazing. That looks good.
Starting point is 00:42:36 It's beautiful. It looks good as hell. One of my really good friends, Izzy, can crochet knit? Vests and blankets, she's like sewing me a fucking robe out of Ikea towels because I needed a new robe and it was like really cute. I mean, yeah, crazy. And she does it just by hand. Like she made an outfit, like made a top for going out, made a blanket.
Starting point is 00:42:56 She makes blankets for people. The talent. Yeah, but I'm like, I'm like at no point, even if something that she ever gave me, which nothing ever has always been gorge, was ugly. It's like, when do you need a blanket? Always, like literally always for like going to a, again, picnics outside, going to the beach, outdoor activities, when you're cold watching a movie.
Starting point is 00:43:16 I've never been at someone's house and been like, hey, I'm cold, can I have a blanket? And they painted me a blanket, and I'm like, not that fucking ugly one. That one's so fucking ugly. And it's literally so cute. It's literally giving 90s, like Utah ski. I'm pissed.
Starting point is 00:43:30 One, it was a gift. It was a gift. That's a thing too. It's a gift. You don't tell someone, oh, I think your gift fucking sucks. It sucks so bad. I'm gonna try to sell it on Facebook marketplace. And also mind you, this greedy bitch, okay,
Starting point is 00:43:43 this greedy sister, whatever, all right, I have a sister, we're mean to each other. This is mind you, this greedy bitch, okay, this greedy sister, whatever, all right, I have a sister. We're mean to each other. This is crazy. Now this mean. She asked her to make it. She, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Beggars can't be choosers. And also it's so cute. It's literally so cute. It's so cute. I want to wait. That makes me mad. I want the blanket so bad. OP has since deleted their account.
Starting point is 00:44:03 I can't even message them to be like, hey, can I buy the blanket from you? No, I'm sure she would. So if you're out there. Yeah, please. I would like to buy the blanket. Facebook Marketplace, we're on it. I'm sure thousands, I hope all the comments,
Starting point is 00:44:15 all these people were probably like, can I have the blanket? Literally, show it to me. Like people would pay money. I would pay money for that on principle alone. Like a lot of money. Literally. That's so, oh, you mean a handmade blanket that's beautiful?
Starting point is 00:44:26 And I also cannot imagine in my mind a blanket that would be ugly enough for me to say no to. I would never turn down a blanket. That's the thing, is I'm like, I was trying to conjure up in my head before you spun your laptop. Obviously, that was not it. But I'm like, conjuring your head a blanket that is so ugly that you would at the very least be like, no, I don't want it. I'm thinking like, okay, even if it was traffic cone orange, like just traffic orange and brown, I'd be like, no, I still want it. The only way that I would refuse something is if it was like crocheted like a shape or a word that maybe wasn't.
Starting point is 00:45:00 That was offensive. I was literally thinking like, oh, is it going to be a major like, you know, genitalia like crocheted into this fucking blanket? No, it's a beautiful blanket. It's beautiful. It's so rude. You should never ever treat someone
Starting point is 00:45:14 who's going out of their way to gift you something with love and kindness and effort. And then I fucking hate it, I'm gonna sell it. Were you gonna give that money back to your sister at least for the cost of that yarn? And time, you know? Like, time is money, baby. And the cost of the yarn, and also like,
Starting point is 00:45:30 oh, you mean an old lady helped, oh, the fact that an old woman helps her knit it, just, it's just like a nail in the coffin for this chick because I'm like, no, you could not have, like, literally created enough sympathy points for all of us to have for your sister because that's adorable. Oh, you mean she's like volunteering at the old folks home and this old grandma helped
Starting point is 00:45:48 her make it? I would literally run into a burning building to get that blanket out of there to save it because that's heart, that's heartfelt. It really is. That's heartfelt. Top comment. Yeah. You're the asshole.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Yeah. I agree with you about Hobby Lobby. Haven't bought from them in years. And it would have been great if your sister took your color preference into account a bit more. But unless you paid her for this, it's a gift. Keep it, sell it, ship it off, ask your cousin first. But one, thank your sister for the gift. That takes a lot of time and effort.
Starting point is 00:46:19 And two, stop updating her on your quest to dispose of it. Your asshole behavior isn't not liking the gift. It's repeatedly telling your sister that you don't like it and neither does anyone else. That part, that part. Why are you giving her the fucking play-by-play, hour-by-hour saga of you hating her fucking gift? This shit is so ugly,
Starting point is 00:46:38 I couldn't even get rid of it for a hundred bucks. Gathered that, gathered that you hate it. I would ask for it back. I'd be like, oh, I got 30 people who want to pay literally half a grand for it. Actually, it's beautiful. And apparently that also she was it. She keeps emphasizing that so huge as if that's a downside to it. I'm like, I've been looking for that's a perk. That's a perk. That's perfect. Fits on my whole couch. Me and three people. I love cuddling. I know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:04 Asshole. People are allowed and wrong, aren't they? Me and three people? Perk. I love Cuddlin. I know, yeah. Asshole. People are allowed and wrong, aren't they? Asshole. Because how could you be in the process of typing it? You know how like you will type out, like if you're really mad at someone, you'll type out like a notes app type situation. You'll type out everything you want to say to them.
Starting point is 00:47:20 And in the middle sometimes, in the middle of it, like you're like three paragraphs in, you start realizing, okay, I do sound kind of, like, all right, like you know what I mean? I do sound kind of fucking crazy, like, me, and then you just delete the whole thing. You're like, actually, I'm not even gonna say anything. It's actually not that serious. That happens to me all the fucking time.
Starting point is 00:47:34 Like, it's not that deep, it's not that deep. But like, I'm imagining her, like, what was going through your head as you're typing, like, the old folks home lady is helping her, and it's literally huge. And also she said to just sell it. Like in that moment, did you think they're gonna be on my side?
Starting point is 00:47:49 Like really it's the type of delusion that I wish I could live in all the time. Okay, I literally just said that this morning. I was like, I wish I could be a little dumber. Oh my God. Like the ignorance is bliss saying I would, I just like the privilege that some people have to just float through life, not caring about politics or things like that, that just affect that.
Starting point is 00:48:14 I'm like, I wish. God, people are like, I'm not political. My existence is political. Like everything's political. The color of this couch is political. My hair is political. She is political. The blanket's political. The color of this couch is political. My hair is political. She is political. The blanket's political.
Starting point is 00:48:27 Everything is inherently political. Some things are just more contributing to the discourse than others. It doesn't mean you're not, oh, I'm just not political. No, you're just like probably someone whose everyone's politics probably benefits, right? Like I, this one guy,
Starting point is 00:48:42 this one hate comment I responded to one time, I was talking about literally like voting rights. like literally like how, how the recent Supreme Court case essentially very much gutted part of the Voting Rights Act that prevented states from racially gerrymandering. Okay. Which everyone on either side of this fucked up fence can all agree. Right? Drawing political county lines based on the right black neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, Asian neighborhoods is of course not- Socioeconomic stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:09 It's bad. Yes, exactly. It's not good, right? It's not great for a democracy. So basically this case, whatever went up. And so I'm literally like, it was the most like obvious, like there's one right answer situation. Like, you know, like that's bad.
Starting point is 00:49:22 This case was like, yeah, basically loud, like Georgia do some stuff, whatever. So I'm talking about it. And it Again, I'm like, that's bad. This case was like, yeah, basically loud, like Georgia do some stuff, whatever. So I'm talking about it, and it was a comment being like, get so political, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like this bitch, like, doesn't know to chime out, like always have to talk about politics, like, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:34 And of course he looked exactly like you would think he would look, okay? Guess what color his skin was? Like, guess how, yeah, right? Like, guess what he was doing in his pro ball pick? Like being a white dude with some bullshit. And I responded in a comment in a video and I said, hey, yeah, no, 100%.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Like, totally get that you knew exactly what my politics were in the beginning. So tell me what yours are. Like, what year did you earn the right to vote as a white man in America? You have the mic now. Tell me, right? Oh, what right did when what year? Sorry.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Did you get to open up a credit card in your own name without your wife's approval? What year were you allowed to become an attorney? What year were you allowed to, I don't know, sit at a desk, have an office job without wearing a skirt? You marry the person you love like marry the person you love. Like marry the person you love. That shit just baffles me. Like back it like let's write I'm not political or oh this person's so political. We're not political. We are existing. Talking about something that makes you uncomfortable because it doesn't immediately benefit you. Yeah. That if that if that's what political is I'll tattoo it on my ass crack okay? Tram stamp Like fuck, I'll like literally like be so serious.
Starting point is 00:50:48 It's just very un-serious to me. It really is. The blanket's political. Fuck, it is. Party lines on the blanket. That being said, please, please, please make sure you are registered to vote. This is such a key crazy election vote.
Starting point is 00:51:06 You deserve to vote. So register, let's fucking go. There's a comment here that I do wanna highlight before we move along. You're the asshole. As someone who crochets, if the colors and place they bought it from were that big of a deal to you,
Starting point is 00:51:21 why didn't you buy the yarn you wanted and then give it to them? Blankets like this take a lot of time and effort. This isn't even something you paid money for and I won't be surprised if your sister never makes you anything again. Great point. I forgot about the whole how could she buy it from Hobby Lobby, those homophobic assholes. I go like I have a lot of gay best friends who are like look, unfortunately Chick-fil-A's fries are really good. Like unfortunately, like I'm not saying support these companies, I have a lot of gay best friends who are like, look, unfortunately Chick-fil-A's fries are really good. Like, unfortunately, like I'm not saying support these companies,
Starting point is 00:51:47 but that a lot, like that being even a comma that she would include, like for us to try to hate her sister is crazy. Yeah. Crazy. I mean, who knows if they're, you know, she's just scraping by and Hobby Lobby had a good sale. Like, I want to know the ages. Like, if she's like 19, I'm going to make... I'm like mad.
Starting point is 00:52:06 If they're like, what if they were both like 30, 32, right? Or what if there's a big age gap? I'm getting the vibe that the younger sister crocheted it, which is going to make me sad. I know. There's no mention of ages. No mentions of ages. No mentions of gender of OP too. So like, I do, like in my head, I assume this is like two sisters
Starting point is 00:52:23 because like, I feel like a guy... I feel like a man would not take it this far. A man would have just like thrown it in his closet assume this is like two sisters because like, I feel like a guy- I feel like a man would not take it this far. A man would have just like thrown it in his closet and forgotten about it and just been like, look at this ugly fucking, like he wouldn't have, he wouldn't have had so much chat about it. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:52:33 And maybe that's stereotypical of me to like assume and observe and say, but- We all have some biases, you know? But like, I just, and also like hopping on Facebook marketplace really quick and like trying to make it quick. No guy that I know would go through that effort. No, the vibe of it all is very much like you could have just thrown it in your fucking closet and said you were, you couldn't shut up about it.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Yeah. It's giving sisters. It's giving sisters. Gosh. Yeah, there are some comments that do mention like hobby lobby and the fact that like not everyone is so privileged to be able to shop based on their politics. So please keep that in your account and things like that.
Starting point is 00:53:10 But yeah, very clearly asshole. OP was so embarrassed with their asshole garnish that they deleted the post and they deleted their account. So they learned real quick the lesson. Good. Real quick. I hope it means, I don't want her to keep the blanket anymore. I want it to go to someone who would appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:53:30 Give me that blanket. Give me, if you're watching, if you're listening, if you're out there, don't even have to say a word. Don't have to identify yourself. Just like shoot us the fucking blanket. Sister who made it, if you're out there, we love the blanket. I will take it. I literally, I have it at my house right now because I just love it so much.
Starting point is 00:53:47 But someone made me a blanket at one of my Denver live shows and gave it to me. And it is the most beautiful little thing. It's green and white checkers. And it's like my vibe to a tee. I love it. And anything just, yeah, I made this. It's just for people who aren't like craftsy in the sense of like, I can, yeah, I made this. I just love it for people who aren't like craftsy in the sense of like, I can, yeah, I can paint,
Starting point is 00:54:07 but I can't like make, I can't make a shirt or a blanket or whatever. That to me is like. It's so cool. Like that will stick with me forever. I know someone else crocheted me a poop knife. I like, I get really like you guys out there that come to the live shows with presents, you pop off.
Starting point is 00:54:23 But I love that. Like that's my favorite thing in the world because you're like, wow, you thought about this and you love... I know, like, you're thinking of me. You love my humor, you got it, you know it. You're so cute. That's great. OK, moving along. Buckle up for this next one.
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Starting point is 00:55:51 It is two days old coming from AITAH titled, Am I the asshole for getting hurt and upset over a harmless prank that my husband pulled? So me and my husband have been married for five years. We are currently female 24 and male 33. Way before we met, when I was 16, my mom's house had a house fire that burnt literally everything down.
Starting point is 00:56:15 And sadly, my childhood cat was also killed in it. I remember my mom and brother waking me up screaming, fire, fire, get up, get up. We crawled out under the smoke and luckily my neighbors had already called the fire department and they pulled us out. We lost literally everything. We were devastated.
Starting point is 00:56:34 So that was a while ago, but it still really scares me. And I check outlets and our stove and candles and everything all of the time. My husband knows this about me. So two nights ago ago I went to bed early because I am 34 weeks pregnant. Literally about to pop. I was sleeping for a while before for some reason my husband decided to wake me up by yelling quote, baby there's a fire fire fire fire get up. As quick as I could get
Starting point is 00:57:01 up at 34 weeks pregnant I did and grabbed my purse. I was just in automatic shock and just autopilot and knew what I needed to grab. I made it all the way down the stairs yelling for my husband to follow me before he started laughing and telling me it was a joke. It took me a minute for that to process. I stood there with an open mouth while he laughed and ushered me down the rest of the stairs. I sat down on the couch and just started sobbing. It was genuinely the hardest I've ever sobbed. It's like I couldn't get myself to stop and my whole body was shaking. My heart was racing and I couldn't breathe. I've never had this
Starting point is 00:57:37 experience before. I was genuinely so panicked. I was so fucking upset. My husband apologized and was like, quote, Oh my God, I'm so sorry. It was just a joke. I just cried until he eventually was like, quote, What the fuck? It was just a prank. This is really dramatic. After a few hours, I had calmed myself down and went to apologize to him. He wouldn't accept it. He said I was being over dramatic and made him feel like shit for a harmless prank. So I guess, am I the asshole? I've never been good at taking jokes. I've been trying to be less sensitive, but I don't know. No you're not and you need to pack your shit and you need to get out. And I say this coming
Starting point is 00:58:19 from a place of likely very individual personal experience, right? The person that I am and from what I know and the experiences that I've had and from the amazing, brilliant, lovely people around me that I've thankfully met in my life, they, yeah, you get to a place in your life where you go, yeah, no, there are certain things that are not just red flags, they are leaveable red flags immediately.
Starting point is 00:58:49 You cannot, you cannot, if you're explaining to someone why severe trauma and PTSD is, I mean, exists in your head and in your mind and why that wasn't just a joke. If you're explaining that to someone, an adult who's supposed to be your partner for the rest of your life,
Starting point is 00:59:10 like he's a fucking eighth grader in a middle school lunch room, he will do something like this again or he will do it in a different way to your children. He, I'm sorry, I mean, you know, oh, it was just a joke type beat, that kind of stuff that's so on the nose and obvious. It's not like he didn't know about her trauma.
Starting point is 00:59:28 He knew the fucking story. He knew the story. Everything she lost, her cat, even if she had lost nothing, that's horrifyingly scary. If she, if any of my friends, any of my best friends would have called me up crying, telling me what just happened and saying,
Starting point is 00:59:42 I tried to apologize to him, I would have been kept on the phone with them me what just happened and saying I tried to apologize to him. I would have been kept on the phone with them, been calm, cool collected the entire time. I am in my car on my way there with a very sharp elbow and a very direct tone of voice. Okay, and he, yeah. I just think it's just the type of thing that,
Starting point is 01:00:05 I mean, what I always say, I just think it's just the type of thing that, I mean, what I always say, anytime a man or anyone does something, and I always think, you know, we always come into trouble, especially women, like are we being overdramatic, right? Like is this, oh, girl can't take a joke type of thing, you know, or whatever, there isn't a fire. I'm 34 weeks pregnant, don't even get me started on that fact, Jesus fucking Christ.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Putting the safety of my child at risk because of my stress and my emotional regulation. No, no, no. There's the door. But that's either here or there. I think that I always ask myself, would the love of my life do this? Would the love of my life,
Starting point is 01:00:38 would my soulmate treat me like this? Yes, the love of my life, my soulmate will totally make mistakes and totally hurt me, will hurt each other. That's what love is inherently. Love is grief all the time. But would the love of my life, with the knowledge that they had, do something that would even risk me feeling like this?
Starting point is 01:00:57 Even risk it when it's that extreme and I'm 34 weeks pregnant with our child. That's, at that point, I'm calling a lot of people who are going to show him who's boss. But... This is really disgusting. I mean, you hit the nail on the head in every direction. Like, there's, you cleaned house for me. But... It just hurts my soul to think about, right?
Starting point is 01:01:22 Like, where she is in that moment typing this up, you know? Like, and her home is at work. Is she, like, has she been gas lit so fucking hard by this guy that she's thinking, well, I can't split up my marriage. Like, you know, we have a child coming. Maybe I am being drawn. I mean, that's what hurts my heart is I want to hold her hand and say, you're right. I just can't imagine, like, having to apologize to someone after they did this to you.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I mean, he clearly knows about the trauma. And let's start, let's back this way up to the beginning and let's do some math here. So she's currently 24. He is 33. They've been married for five years. So they got married when she was 19. The fire happened at 16. So the fire from the time of the fire to when they got married is only three years. They
Starting point is 01:02:11 probably dated for at least a year. So maybe they started dating when she was 18. And he is, I mean, he better hope they started dating when she was 18. That's not math. Tell you that much about now, now, now, now. Not math that I love here. Not obsessed. And no reason, no excuse to not know what your girlfriend, wife, 19, just went through three years prior. So to then do this at any time, but let alone when she is 34 weeks pregnant. What if that caused her to go into premature labor? What if that put your baby's life at risk and you lost this child because
Starting point is 01:02:52 of that stress and trauma you just put her through? He wouldn't have had remorse. I mean, look, I'm gathered, like some people are malicious and some people are just really stupid. And you always really hope that it's the second one because you don't want to feel like you married someone who would be that genuinely evil because that's what that is. It's not over dramatic to say that that's genuinely evil, especially with how late she is in her pregnancy. I mean, if I had heard this story from a coworker, an acquaintance, someone I didn't even
Starting point is 01:03:25 like that much, I would be on the local news. Because that man would have, I mean, legally, I can't admit what I would do, but right, like I would be on the news. And he would have been dealt with because that, you're not, you're putting that baby's life at risk. You're putting the wife's life, of course, at risk. I mean, what, what it's not it's not even funny. No. I mean even if none of that have happened even if she was not pregnant and never had a fire happen if my brother did that to me and he's 30 he's 34 I'd look at him and go are you good? Have you been watching too much shitty South Park? Like what the fuck? Do we need to check you in somewhere? Literally are
Starting point is 01:04:03 you fine? Like I'm gonna hold your hand when I say this, you're never gonna find a woman. But my brother's not like that. He has a fiance and she's great. So there you go. But yeah, no, that, that I don't, I'm not obsessed with that math. No.
Starting point is 01:04:15 The fact that he met her when she was 19 and mind you, people are gonna, of course, that's illegal, I'm not saying it's not right. I'm not, I didn't do the SVO theme, the SVU theme song because I think that it, you know, wasn't totally fine. I'm doing the it's not, right? I'm not, I didn't do the SBO theme, the SVU theme song because I think that it, you know, wasn't totally fine. I'm doing the SVU theme song because we better hope they started dating at 18, right?
Starting point is 01:04:32 We better hope, we better pray. I mean, married at 19, like- It's crazy. It's just wild. For a lot of people. I mean, he's, he would have been 27. Like that is a big gap, different points in life, different power dynamics.
Starting point is 01:04:45 I don't generally love huge age gaps, but it's totally fine if you're at the same point of power in your life. You're both in careers, you're established, you're not having to rely on this person. This person isn't going to take advantage of you. That's fine and dandy then. Have 20 year age gap. I don't give a fuck. Agreed wholeheartedly.
Starting point is 01:05:02 I always say too, I'm like, it's not right. Because you can be, I mean, our parents, half people's parents, their age gaps are crazy. But there's a difference between dating someone when you're 26 and he's 35, which is completely fine, right? And I'm saying legally and socially, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't blink at that. But what I always say is you change the most physically over the four years of high school,
Starting point is 01:05:26 right? Your body is, you're a teenager, you're from the freshman year to senior year, it's like a completely different person physically. You change the most, I think mentally and emotionally when you're in that hotspot age of being quote unquote an adult, but you're out of the house, probably you're starting working, you're working or you're going to college, right? Regardless of what you end up doing, or maybe you're just, you know, out of the house probably, you're starting working, you're working or you're going to college, right? Regardless of what you end up doing or maybe you're just, you know, out of the house and figuring life out. Between the ages of 18, 19, and like 25, you are changing the most, maturity wise, emotionally, mentally, you're figuring your shit out.
Starting point is 01:05:58 So when someone, right, is like 26, 27, 28, even in their 30s, when I look, like I'm 29, I look at someone who's 21 and I'm like, no, I can party with you, right? I'll see him in Vegas, like at the club, happy birthday, right, buy him a shot, amazing. But like, I know that I can't connect with them in a way that would not be a disservice because they have to go through shit without me influencing it.
Starting point is 01:06:23 And it's so easy for a man to manipulate, especially a young girl. You know, maybe she wasn't, maybe she had a good head on her shoulders. Maybe this wasn't predatory. I'm not necessarily saying it was. But the fact that she this ended in her apologizing to him is like very indicative to me of a power dynamic that I think is a great point you brought up. Right? Like you're not on the same plane. You don't see yourselves as on the same plane anymore. No. And I think like there's obviously some people that can be very mature at a young
Starting point is 01:06:53 age, whether that's from being forced to grow up early or raising a sibling or whatever that is. Like I definitely have always been told like, oh, you have an old soul and that's tough. Like, but at the same time, like, you haven't necessarily, like, matured mentally, even if you are that person. That's me. And I was talking to my dad last night about like Jackie Oh, and when she became the first lady. She was the first lady at 31. I cannot even imagine. I'm 30. And I feel like if you ask me how old I feel, I'm 30 and I feel like if you ask me how old I feel, I feel like I'm 27, 28. Like I cannot even imagine having to be the first lady
Starting point is 01:07:29 at my age now, 30. Like what? And this girl, like she is 24. Like, and so many, I mean, I know so many people. I grew up, for most of my childhood, in like a very small Midwestern farm town. God bless Illinois. Love ya. Tornadoes and mud and sticks.
Starting point is 01:07:48 And it is the culture to, you know, in those types of small towns, especially in middle America, to marry pretty young. And 24 to me, right, and to you, of course, like we're like the working, independent women, you know, who are like obviously going to be later in the game when it comes to that kind of stuff. But the age of getting married isn't inherently the issue. It's like, no, everyone, no matter what,
Starting point is 01:08:10 when you're 24 years old, even someone who's gone through traumatic experiences, she probably grew up fast after having PTSD, you know, from the horrible experience. You are 20, you're 24, you should be at the club. Like, you should be at the club. Get in there. This man, even if you wanna have kids,
Starting point is 01:08:25 like that's great, but you're 34 weeks pregnant. And to be honest, I mean, I broke up with one of my relationships because I met, he was like three years older than me, and I met him when I was 19, and he was, you know, 21, 22. And I, you know, I remembered I turned 21 and I looked at him and he had stayed the same age, mentally. I was like, oh, right.
Starting point is 01:08:46 It clicked for me and it wasn't right. That's how I feel with this scenario is like, she's 24 and he has not grown because this is the most immature bullshit I've ever heard in my life. Your pregnant spouse, like any man who has even a sliver of a kahona would never do this. No. Top comment on this one? No, you're absolutely not the asshole. No, get fucked. Indeed.com, send it to him.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Whatever. That wasn't a harmless prank when he knows your past trauma. It also wouldn't have been a harmless prank even without that trauma because you are pregnant. The adrenaline spike from something like that could have easily sent you into preterm labor, and while I'm sure you feel ready to pop, you're not yet full term, and the baby's lungs are the last to develop. He's definitely the asshole, but more than
Starting point is 01:09:37 that, that was psychological abuse. It was not a prank. It was not funny. And it is very well it could have done physical harm as well. And now he's trying to gaslight you into thinking that you're the problem. Please be very careful and keep yourself safe. Snaps. Agreed. Snaps all around. Agreed. And goodness gracious, safety is the most important, you know, like God. I mean... If you need to move out and take some space,
Starting point is 01:10:05 you don't wanna end your marriage, that's cool. But at least go stay with some family, be calm, be happy and safe, and take some time to just ensure that you can get to the 40 weeks. Yeah, and first, and every single pregnant woman in this country, whether you are 16 and pregnant or, you know, 35 and pregnant, whether it's in beach or an accident or whatever, every single woman deserves to have a pregnancy
Starting point is 01:10:31 that makes her feel safe. You can't control the health of yourself or your child always, your infant that's inside of you, the fetus that's inside of you. Things can go wrong. I've had so many friends who've had preeclampsia. I've had so many friends who've been bedridden for the last however many months just because they didn't want to risk it. But ultimately, the one thing that you can control is your environment and your safety,
Starting point is 01:10:53 or at least you hope you can control that. So many women can't because they're in bad situations or they're surrounded by people who stress them the absolute fuck out. And God, if she doesn't want to get, you know, what, like, there's a lot of history with people. There's more than you can put in a Reddit comment about that man and what, you know, who he is, whatever. But, but definitely she needs, she deserves to be safe for these last six weeks. God, you know, safe in her mind and her body. Like, what if he keeps doing, like, what if he keeps doing this?
Starting point is 01:11:24 That's what I think too. I'm like, is this a slippery slope? I know. For traumatic psychologically abusive pranks. I know. It was just a joke, babe Are you gonna risk it at 39? Like are you gonna set the stove on fire for real? Like what's going on? It is so scary We do have some comments from our our writer here So someone asked why would you apologize to him? And OP goes, I apologize because he made a big deal about me making him feel horrible. Someone replies, that is gaslighting. You did nothing wrong. So someone else goes, he couldn't get a woman closer to his age because the reality is no woman would ever tolerate his behavior. He
Starting point is 01:12:02 had no choice but to go looking for someone he could mold. Sadly, OP was definitely groomed. So OP does respond to that and goes, this is not true. We met when I was 18. So barely, I'm just like, OK, but like, are you 18 in one day? Like, right. There's so much still gray area there.
Starting point is 01:12:22 And yes, legal, but like still like 18 and he's 26, 27. And I do think too, the argument and the discourse around age gaps, we're thinking about just the fact that we're right in the sense of like, well, obviously I'm correct that that's weird. Obviously I'm correct that that's weird age gap. It doesn't matter if it's legal, da da da. But for the woman who's involved in it,
Starting point is 01:12:45 they're not going to ever, like they're not going to want to see themselves as a victim or if they're, she was 18, right? It's doing nothing for like the original post and for what we actually want for her to just like yell at her about how he's creepy because she's not, you know what I mean? She's not gonna believe that.
Starting point is 01:13:01 The comment that they said that was so great about, how they're like, you know, she said, he made me feel so bad about making him feel bad. And I'm like, oh, yeah, no, textbook narcissism, like textbook, that's literally like open the book and you'll see his face. Anytime someone else makes their reaction your responsibility, it's manipulative because the way that you made me feel and the way that I express that to you, just because yeah, you should feel shitty about how horrible I felt about that.
Starting point is 01:13:33 I just explained to you rationally what your batshit insane prank did to me mentally, emotionally, all of that. You saying, well, that makes me feel bad. It should, it absolutely should. And that's not right. But they think, oh, well, how dare you? And you're like, oh my God, right?
Starting point is 01:13:52 Oh my God. And so you just end up going in circles with that person. And I feel for her because God, I've gotten in circles with people before. At that age too, honest to God, at age 24, I feel like it was like frontal lobe was lobing. It was frontal lobe, lobing. And I was looking around at the people around me going,
Starting point is 01:14:09 yeah, some of you are like that, you know, in that, not necessarily playing crazy pranks, but they have that mentality of like, they just can't own up to their shit. No. Oh, there's so many, so many comments on this. Like, I'm so glad she's getting the support. There's 9.4K comments on this. Like I'm so glad she's getting the support. There's 9.4 K comments on this.
Starting point is 01:14:27 Someone goes, I don't know why the fuck she's apologizing him. She had a stress reaction at 34 weeks pregnant that is related to a past traumatic event that he triggered. Ma'am, let that sink in. Your loser husband is a douche bag. This is not a prank. It was insensitive, ill-timed, inappropriate
Starting point is 01:14:42 and downright disgusting. He is disgusting. Frankly, I don't think you reacted enough to him. I think you should have popped the fuck off on his ass. If there was ever a moment to become unhinged, this was justifiably it. You don't need this shit at 34 weeks pregnant when you should be stress-free, but instead you are married to Captain Asshole who thinks he did nothing wrong and is gaslighting you to think you are the problem. Stop apologizing. He is neither fit to be a husband or a father with how he behaves and treated you. Not the asshole. But you are unfortunately married to one." OP responds,
Starting point is 01:15:16 All of these comments are making me regret everything. And I'm so, so scared. But Captain Asshole made me laugh lol. So thank you for that at least. Good. Okay, good. Poor little... Not little, because she's pregnant, but yeah, little. I'm like, yeah, I mean... I call everyone, I'm just like, you're just a little nugget. I know, I'm like, you're little in my mind
Starting point is 01:15:37 because I just want to put you in my pocket. I am very... It sounds like from her tone, that makes me happy, because, you know, sometimes you see people get super defensive in comments and then you're like, fuck, you know, like, I'm glad that it sounds like from her tone, that makes me happy. Cause you know, sometimes you see people get super defensive in comments and then you're like, fuck, you know, like, I'm glad that she's realizing. I hope that she has someone else in her life physically who can also hold her hand.
Starting point is 01:15:53 I know there's one last comment I'm gonna read from her. Cause it looks like it's gonna be a juicy one. I want an update. I want an update too. Like so bad. There's no update yet, but I mean, this post is only two days old at this point in time. Okay, well when there's an update, call me and I'm coming back. Yeah. I swear to God. So someone is asking like harmless prank that entire time
Starting point is 01:16:13 you were upset, crying, heart rate up, huge adrenaline rush, and then crash your baby going through the same thing. Your unborn baby, your husband must be losing his mind. What if you had stumbled on the stairs and fallen down? Serious question. Is your husband happy about this baby? Is he a narcissist? Any red flags in your relationship? I'm really sorry to say all of this because you've been growing a human for 34 weeks and wanted to make sure you are 100% sure about your husband and his thoughts on this baby. I'm usually not a violent woman, but I want to slap the shit out of him. Women worry about certain things when pregnant and men worry about certain things like their jobs and job stability, money,
Starting point is 01:16:48 afraid they are never going to have sex again, all kinds of things. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but then I picture you jumping up and running downstairs and my blood pressure starts going up. OP responds, he is happy. He's the one who wanted a baby. I don't think he's a narcissist though. I'm not sure the definition of that. And no, I don't think there are red flags other than what is being pointed out in the comments I'm reading.
Starting point is 01:17:10 That is mostly that he tries to make me feel sensitive about our ages, but I always knew that and I never cared. Worst case scenario, cause you know, look. Worst case scenario is that he wanted her to have the child to trap her, which is the textbook classic dust off the old book and the old tricks, okay, for men who do this to women, right? Especially young women. They want to keep them.
Starting point is 01:17:37 And right, I'm obviously going to the extreme of, with all the knowledge that we don't know about these people. But him wanting the child doesn't negate the massive bullfighting red flag, because, you know, he could have wanted the child for a million different horrible reasons that weren't him being joyful about bringing life onto this earth. He could have wanted the kid
Starting point is 01:18:01 because he knew you wouldn't leave him, because he knew that you'd need him, right? They want to be needed. People like that want to be needed. And also, I agree with that comment in the sense of, you know, I'm not a violent person, but I want to, like, throw a hand, throw a swing. There are certain things that no amount of over-explaining, tumbling over your words you can do can convince me that that is not insane. Like what he did to this 34-week pregnant woman,
Starting point is 01:18:28 like there's no excuse in the world that could justify it to me. Like none, zero, it's over, it's done. Well, you need to hear both sides. There's no side. Like there's my side and that's it. It's my side. And there are so few things that happen in life
Starting point is 01:18:41 where you're like, well, you know, like maybe he cheated on you because that, whatever, right? You could explain things the way you could think about it for a minute. No, no, no. Jail. Start out in prison, prove your way out. So wrong, it feels illegal. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 01:18:55 Can he go to jail for this? I know he can't, but I'd like him to. I would love him to sit in a cell and just think about what you did. It could be an intentional infliction of emotional distress. That's a civil claim in this country in the US today. There are about three claims I can think of in my head right now in a complaint, hypothetically, that she could file. Hypothetically?
Starting point is 01:19:14 Hypothetically, of course. Yeah. Perhaps on the behalf of the fetus as well. But that's neither here nor there. Yeah. Depends what state you're in on that one. I will keep an eye out for an update. Just really, really praying for this one. I mean, I'm not even religious and I'm about to like, come on, keep this lady safe.
Starting point is 01:19:41 Whichever got like during the bar exam, I was like, I don't care what God's up there. I know one of y'all is going to be right. I know one of these people on earth. Back me up. Okay, I will be Buddhist I'll be Christian. I'll be Catholic. I'll be atheist. Someone down here. Satan. Someone knows. Do you hear me? Do something? Yeah, that's how I feel about this as well. Oh you smokes. Okay moving along Another one of this week's partners is Ro There's a lot of us out there that might be struggling with some health stuff, or maybe just want to feel better in your own skin. And that was me.
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Starting point is 01:20:52 first month. Medication costs are separate. That's ro.co.tht. Go to ro.co.tht for black box warning and full safety information. Compounded medication is not required to and does not receive FDA review or approval, Rx only. Okay, so this next one. It's 14 hours old, titled, Am I the Asshole for Considering Breaking Up with My Fiance? Because I found out that she got the ick when I cried last year. My fiance, 26 female, and I, 26 male,
Starting point is 01:21:24 have been dating for seven years, and we got engaged last month. I found out something recently, however, which makes me very sad. For some backstory, I was going through a stressful time last year with work, and I was feeling overwhelmed. Looking back, I think I was just overreacting, but during that phase, I just don't know what was happening to me mentally. Then, one night, I just started crying randomly
Starting point is 01:21:46 for no reason. My fiance was surprised, but she comforted me, and she asked me what it was about, and I told her it was life in general. The week after I cried, I actually got a promotion at work, and I realized I was just overthinking everything and that things were actually fine. Mentally, I started feeling much better
Starting point is 01:22:04 and things were back to normal. But I heard something last week which genuinely hurt me. My fiance's best friend Ellie also got engaged recently. Ellie is also very close friends with my sister, but my sister and my fiance aren't really friends or buddies. Last week, my sister called me and told me something that she had heard from Ellie, which she wanted to share with me. What happened was that Ellie and my fiance were talking about green flags and what they love about their fiancees and what they could potentially be better at. My fiance had joked about me crying last year and that she found that an ick.
Starting point is 01:22:41 Ellie found that very funny and then shared it with my sister. My sister told me she didn't think it was funny at all, but just carried on with the conversation and pretended everything was normal, but she did want to share it with me. I then asked my fiance about it, and my fiance seemed a bit nervous, but she admitted that she had said that, but that she was just joking and didn't mean it. I told her I needed some space, and my fiance started crying and told me that she was just joking and didn't mean it. I told her I needed some space, and my fiancé started crying and told me that she was just joking about it and that she
Starting point is 01:23:09 loved that I was comfortable expressing my emotions to her. The thing is, I don't really believe my fiancé, and I feel really sad and hurt that she found me crying and ick, and that she joked about it with her friend. So am I the asshole for considering breaking up with my fiance? I don't know because being a woman, having the inside info that we do, right? About conversations that go on, especially early on in a relationship
Starting point is 01:23:41 where half of you is like, I could be in love with this man and the other half is like, wouldn't it be great if I wasn't though? Because I don't want to have my heart broken, right? You, I do this shit all the time. I'll be like, oh my God, he's so beautiful. I need to get on his nerves immediately right now so that he gets the fuck away from me
Starting point is 01:23:56 because I know he's a nightmare. Like he's a red flag walking. He's been ran through more times than a truck stop. I need to get the fuck out, right? And these are all defense mechanisms. These are all defense mechanisms. The self-sabotage. Look, and women talking about icks,
Starting point is 01:24:10 yes, men, a lot of men online, and I know it's like the extreme, like, in-cell type men will get, will take the ick things so deep, right? They'll be like, oh my God, like, whatever. It's the same thing as us saying women are fat and ugly and fat. I'm like, no, no, no, that's actually not the same thing. I think I have enough conversations with my friends joking, genuinely joking about icks
Starting point is 01:24:35 when it comes to sandals, like your dog's out, right? Your feet, sandals, wearing flip-flops, men wearing flip-flops, or skipping, or chasing after a ping pong ball, things like that. like skipping, or like chasing after a ping-pong ball, things like that. And... Oh, the chasing after a ping-pong ball one? There's just no way you can do it looking cute at all, like at all at all.
Starting point is 01:24:53 So it sounds like that happened like early on in the relationship, right? Like she wasn't saying it like a week before. So timeline here is they've been dating for seven years, just got engaged last month. The crying happened on the six year mark. So it just happened a year ago. Okay, yeah, that's tough. That's tough, that's tough.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Okay. So my whole spiel is about nothing. Okay. But right, like why don't I mean- I do see where you're going with it though. Why don't you believe your fiancee though when she says that it was a joke? That's kind of where I'm going to is like, okay, you've been with someone for that long.
Starting point is 01:25:27 You know them well enough. Do you not believe them because you know them well enough and you know they wouldn't joke about it? Okay, then yeah. I don't think you're an asshole for at least considering breaking up with this person because it is a really big thing if someone to your face is telling you that it's great in the moment, especially when you're crying when they're your source of comfort. Yes. to your face is telling you that it's great, in the moment, especially when you're crying, when they're your source of comfort, to then turn around and say to people in confidence,
Starting point is 01:25:50 but not confidence at all, because it's gonna get back to you, to your own sister, saying that, oh yeah, it was Nick, whatever. But I wanna, I know this sounds bad, whatever, but if I could just have a script, like a transcript of the exact girl convo, because the way that it's said is also so right. Oh yeah, like, you know, I've seen you cry,
Starting point is 01:26:11 like a bit of it, like I don't know what the context is. Maybe they're trying to make someone else feel better. Maybe like, like I need to know the context, but worst case scenario, if she was like, I saw him cry six years in, such a fucking ick, ha ha, JK with the girls. That is really mean and horrible. And I also biggest pet peeve is when people,
Starting point is 01:26:32 yes, like you should absolutely not be isolated and should be able to talk about your relationships for advice with your friends and other people. But there are absolutely certain things, attorney client privileged things. Attorney client privilege things. Attorney client privilege, meaning like in your relationship, you should have some privilege where no matter what, there are lines that you don't cross when it comes to sharing certain
Starting point is 01:26:52 information. Yeah. Not because you're protecting them from being exposed for being like abusive, of course, or like a bad person, of course. But like my most vulnerable moments, I don't want to be up for debate at like a wine night with shitty charcuterie, like that would piss me off. As a man that would piss me off,
Starting point is 01:27:11 as a woman that would piss me off. And that's what it feels like this was. Yeah, I don't like that. Then fair. I always am like, look, I always start out team woman. I think that's why my answer started out like that. So like kind of obsessed. You can see how I go with things.
Starting point is 01:27:27 Well, and like you have the insight, your context is coming from being a woman, having these kiki ha ha's, like talking about icks. And so like, you can recognize that like, maybe this ick conversation wasn't so serious. Right. Like, but at the same time, kind of like being like, oh, it's an ick that he cried.
Starting point is 01:27:46 Here's where I get- Which is not inherently an ick, by the way. Like it's not okay that someone says literally you crying was an ick. It's the opposite for me. Did you drop ketchup on the floor and started sobbing? That's why Connix matters. And I would say it to your face,
Starting point is 01:28:00 dead look in the eyes as like you're being escorted out. I'd be like, that's wild. But yeah, I think that I feel bad for him. I do too. I mean, too. It's like, fuck, like, you're crying about something important. And even if you weren't, why share that? What do you get? Exactly. That's where I'm at with this one. I don't think he's the asshole for considering breaking up. I think you are so entitled to your feelings. They're valid. I would like take what you're hearing though, with a grain of salt, right? Like this is coming from your sister
Starting point is 01:28:27 who heard it from her friend. And your sister isn't friends with the fiance and the friend heard it from the fiance. Like this is kind of a twisted web and you are missing the context. However, I think at a baseline, it's still wrong to share like, oh, I got the ick when I saw him crying.
Starting point is 01:28:44 Because if that was my partner, I would actually feel the opposite. I would feel like, wow, he has emotions. He's comfortable enough with himself to share those emotions. He's sensitive. He's in touch with that. He's not one of those people that is only displaying toxic masculinity. Like, I would look at that actually as like a... I find that kind of hot, you're willing to cry in front of me. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:29:07 Call me sick and twisted. I like seeing guys cry. Absolutely. Absolutely, sick and twisted. She has a kink, we're not kink shaming here. So I just like, I'm frustrated by the fact that that was even a conversation because you can't like dismiss, oh, I don't want a guy who's toxic masculine
Starting point is 01:29:25 and doesn't cry, but then say shit like that. Absolutely. You're inherently breeding that toxicity. Why? Yeah. Why? It's like, it's not getting you anything. And that's why the comics matter so much for me too, because it's like, it's not like a funny story
Starting point is 01:29:39 about how they like cried because they like took an edible and cried on the rollercoaster at Disneyland. Like that would be great. That would be funny. Also fair. I'm literally also fair. But I'm imagining all the scenarios where I'm mad. The ketchup one was great. Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Starting point is 01:29:52 Dropping ketchup and crying over ketchup. I'm like, wait, I literally have a cry. I cried on California Adventure one time, or Soarin' Over Calais. I literally cried on that ride three times. Was it during the part about the polar bears? 100% it was during the part about the polar bears. The ice was melting. I was like, bye bye.
Starting point is 01:30:04 Go. This is not a plug. Disney, if you ever want to sponsor Disney, go to Disney. I'm not right like three times like during the part about the polar bears Go this is not a plug Disney if you ever want to sponsor HM HM us And then invite me to your park um, but Absolutely anytime your partner's crying man or woman That has to be something sacred that has to be something sacred. That has to be something that, especially when it comes from a very sad, it's not a funny, it's not a prank, it's not like something silly.
Starting point is 01:30:32 You're having a mental breakdown. You're having a fucking mental goddamn breakdown. Some things should be sacred. Like, some things should be, even if you, even if that was the moment maybe, that you realized you weren't in love with him, not because he was crying, but maybe because of all these other things.
Starting point is 01:30:47 I'm talking about not even this situation, but worst case scenario, you don't make fun of anyone, a woman or man, for showing their emotions in a way that doesn't include putting their fist in the fucking wall, right? God bless men who can cry. God bless men who can cry.
Starting point is 01:31:02 I love men who are as emotional as I am. Like they cry when I cry when I'm happy. I cry when I'm sad. I cry when I don't know what the fuck's going on. I cry when I do know what's going on most of the time. Wish I was ignorant, ignorant as this place. But I agree, like that's enough too for me. It's like, now I don't want to show my, for him, right?
Starting point is 01:31:19 Now I don't want to show you my emotions anymore. Now I don't want to go to you. Is this going to be- He can't trust her. No, absolutely not. He literally can't trust her sharing feelings. And it's like, yeah, okay, she got the ick from you crying. But like it does beg a bigger conversation then.
Starting point is 01:31:33 How are you going to react if I am in this position again? Are you going to support me? Are you going to talk shit to your friends again? How are we going to raise any potential kids if we want them? Are we going to allow our boys to cry? Or are you going to say, no, that's embarrassing. Shut the fuck up little Robbie.
Starting point is 01:31:46 Like what does that look like for us in a big picture? So I totally think he's valid. And I think this begs a very serious conversation, especially you're seven years in. That's an insane amount of time to be with someone. And you're kind of like now like the rugs pulled out from underneath you. Yeah, and the fact that also I think that he's hearing it like three people down the line is yeah is also
Starting point is 01:32:10 It's a bigger conversation because if she had said it in passing when he was there like among company Yeah, thinking genuinely that it wasn't a big deal or whatever. Yes. It's still bad and still you should talk about it But like what else have you been saying to people about me? Like why, who were you talking to? What was it? Like, you know what I mean? Like I don't wanna hear what the people that I love are saying about me behind my back from my sister.
Starting point is 01:32:39 That's wild and crazy. And it's just indicative. Like I hate, like trust is just broken because I'm like, there should always, again, like I said, there's always be a line. No matter what you can make mistakes, you can talk shit, right? Like if you talk shit to your best friend about how your husband's seen a fucking asshole last week and da da da, whatever, all this stuff. It's like, there's still always going to be a line that you don't cross.
Starting point is 01:32:59 That you don't say that you're never going to make fun of your partner for fucking crying. No. Top comment on this one with 3.1k upvotes. So this potential wife is someone that you will lean on heavily as a spouse. Marriage is not a Disney movie. You need to know this woman will have your back if you lose your job, if you have a terrible accident, if you have children that are non-typically, physically or mentally, if you basically don't have sunshine and rainbows every day.
Starting point is 01:33:25 I like the other response where someone said to make her red green flag list. Have you two really been through challenges together? Or has she only been with you through smooth sailing? It's how you face challenges together that determine your success. And you need to know you can trust her, not the asshole, because your gut is telling you something important.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Yep, trust your gut. You have to trust your gut. I know. Someone replies to that comment. It goes, having felt more alone with my ex-husband than I do now, actually alone, you are absolutely correct. Uh-huh. And that, that like... That's my biggest fear, like in life. It's like, it's like, is, is command commitment. I'm not serious. Like stop. No, it life is commitment. I'm a little bit serious.
Starting point is 01:34:07 No, it's not commitment. But it's tying yourself to someone or something, anything, a location or a job or a place, just because you want to feel community. You want to feel like you're not alone. And then it does the exact opposite for you. And you just feel even more isolated and you also feel like, yes, you want to be loved, but you want to be understood and seen before you're loved, honestly.
Starting point is 01:34:35 And clearly, there's a disconnect. You can love someone for seven years, that's such a long time. But if they're not, if they don't see you and understand you on a level where they're, you know, like this wouldn't be sacred, then thank you next. But that's easier said than done. It totally is. There's a comment here that OP does respond to.
Starting point is 01:34:56 The person says, ask yourself, do you feel that her reaction was a socially constructed response that she'll be able to overcome with introspection, or is this an embedded personality trait? If you have kids and your boy cries, will his mother think less of him? If it's something you believe she can overcome, then I suggest couples counseling. If you believe she'll treat future children or future you this way, then please cancel your engagement." And OP goes, even if she overcomes this, the issue is I don't think I'll ever be able to overcome it. I don't know if I'll ever feel comfortable
Starting point is 01:35:31 crying in front of her. And I already feel sort of humiliated that she joked about this with her friend. Yeah, it sounds like he's made a decision in his head almost, you know? And obviously it takes someone who knows someone, who knows her very well to like feel that way already. I mean, without context and without knowing their relationship,
Starting point is 01:35:52 I would absolutely have wanted, even though yes, the situation sucks regardless of how you slice it, I think it can also be sliced in a way that's much more positive than the worst case scenario of her just talking shit about him with her friends and it got back, you know? Maybe it was like, I'm thinking of a scenario, right?
Starting point is 01:36:09 Devil's advocate here, I'm paid to do it. Like what if another friend was crying about her boyfriend, or like a guy who dumped her, situationships, like we've all been through and we all hate ourselves enough to go through them, right? And she's talking about like, I just can't, I love everything about, and like you're trying to like relate to someone
Starting point is 01:36:23 but you're in a really loving relationship and you're like, I mean, no, yeah, like, is it weird that I got an ick about love everything about it. And like you're trying to like relate to someone, but you're in a really loving relationship. And you're like, I mean, no, yeah, like, is it weird that I got an ick about this or this or that? No, yeah, I mean, I got an ick from my fiance when he cried. Yes, it's still so inappropriate and you totally shouldn't say it and it's rude of her, but I don't, but like the intention behind something is so important, especially in a relationship
Starting point is 01:36:39 that's gone on that long. And it's not like, I don't, I'm not sold that like, she's a bad person, not just cuz she's a woman They can be awful to look at the mother-in-law before but right like I'm not sold that like You could break up and she could be a fine person, right? It could still mean you break up But I think that she at least he owes it to her Maybe after this long to at least let her explain what the context is.
Starting point is 01:37:06 Because then he can walk, if he does walk away from the relationship, like she doesn't want him to walk away from like someone that he doesn't even know that, it's a lie. Like, no, I want you to know everything before you leave. Well, and that's the thing too, like if you know this is coming down through the grapevine, I would also on her side be upset that my partner
Starting point is 01:37:24 didn't at least give our relationship the dignity of a conversation. Like, hear me out, hear my side. What if this is all a miscommunication? And he did like ask, Hey, is this true? And she said, yes, it is. It's kind of unclear if context was like really explained, but at this point, he seems like he's still so upset with it regardless.
Starting point is 01:37:44 Someone does ask here though, and I find this whole thing very interesting. They go, has your sister ever said why she and your fiance don't get along? OP says, yes, a few reasons. She finds it hard to connect with my fiance because their personalities and lifestyle choices are just very different. I've also been spending much less time with my sister than before, and my sister has been upfront that she sometimes gets sad about it and wishes she could spend more time with me. It all probably started when my fiancee
Starting point is 01:38:13 made me miss my sister's birthday a few years ago. Yeah. There's something going on here. Yeah, and yeah, and maybe the blinders, the blinders might be coming off. I have a really close relationship with my siblings, my older brother, my younger sister. My older brother and I are only two and a half years apart. And like the episode of yours talking about the fucking, the fiance was like, how dare you? I think you're going to hook up with your sister.
Starting point is 01:38:43 And the sister was like nine years old. That literally had sent me into a fucking orbit. But right, I think that your sibling, if you're close with them, they are the only ones who've been with you literally since jump. They're the only ones who know exactly how you were raised, know exactly how you tick, what makes you tick.
Starting point is 01:39:02 And when you're close enough, right? Where they're invited to birthdays and they want to hang out with each other and like red flags are going off, I think yeah, like I like I'm with him. If he's this dead set on ending things, I think it sounds like it's the right decision just because like, you know, missing your sister's birthday if you're close with her because you're solely because of your fiance. I mean, yeah, that is indicative of a lot.
Starting point is 01:39:28 I don't fuck with that. Nope. I would love to know. My brother better come to my fucking, we're there. I would love to know the other stuff, or like, I would love for the sister to find this and like write in and be like, no, like his fiance has actually been terrible
Starting point is 01:39:41 and here's everything she's done. Yeah. Like I love when other people find the story and then share their side. I love the plot when it develops. Are you kidding? Especially a twist. I know. I mean, I love anyone else's life imploding other than mine.
Starting point is 01:39:55 Unfortunately, I literally, my entire job is to help others implode. I feel attacked. No, stop. I feel attacked. Your life is great. If that's not the reason we're all here, I don't know what, what, what is. Our takes are hot, our love lives are cold, not hers but mine. Welcome back. Moving along. Another one of this week's partners is Lumi. As you
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Starting point is 01:41:53 My daughter Ava was a handful growing up. Her dad passed away when she was five and even with therapy, she was a very angry child. I still love her very much. She is my daughter and I would do anything for her that I can. Her dad didn't have a lot of insurance, but enough to pay off a small house and top up my daughter's 529 education fund. I kept adding to it over the years, not much, but as I could. When she was 11, I met and married my husband. I thought Ava was okay with it. She never brought up any problems to me or in
Starting point is 01:42:25 our therapy sessions. However, she was not okay with it. When she was 13, she accused him of something inappropriate. I called the cops immediately. He was arrested and he lost his job. He was innocent. She did it to get rid of him. We divorced. I was obviously heartbroken. I did my best not to take it out on her. I did punish her. She started acting out. She got expelled from school, then another school. I ended up having to send her to a private school. Even with a voucher, it was expensive. It worked, though. She is graduating this year with honors and a scholarship. She asked me about the money in her account. I said it was all gone. She got very upset because her scholarship
Starting point is 01:43:10 won't cover all of the costs. Even with financial aid, she will still be paying a fair amount. I said I would co-sign a student loan for her, whatever she needs. She said that she wanted to know where the money went that I wasted. So, I got out a pen and paper and I wrote it all down. The cost of my divorce, the rising cost of living that I paid for by myself since I didn't have a partner, her tuition and fees for private school. By the end, she was crying and saying that I was blaming her for everything. I've never blamed her. I did punish her for the trouble she caused with my ex, but I think that was reasonable. She is upset her for the trouble she caused with my ex, but I think that was reasonable. She is upset that she will have to take out a loan. I also made
Starting point is 01:43:50 it very clear that I would not be responsible for paying it back. She thinks I'm being cruel by saying that she is responsible for stupid things she did as a child. I'm not saying that though. But I cannot pull the money I had to spend because of her out of my ass. So am I the asshole? Yes, but I'm saying this. Why am I scared? No, yes, because a 13 year old making something up like that, right, to presumably in her mother's mind get him, get this guy out of the picture,
Starting point is 01:44:29 is an extremely wild thing to say. Because children 13, right, no matter how mature a 13 year old is, like they understand what, like they understand at that age, like when I was 13, like I would understand that there would be consequences to that. I want more elaboration on what we have knowing that she made it up, right? Because I don't even fuck around with questioning child victims, even in like a random Reddit post,
Starting point is 01:44:58 unless there's something more to it than just the mom's opinion on her making it up, you know? Because we hear so many stories. I mean, there was a massive story in the news of a very extremely, I forget her name right now, you know, woman in literature who won the Nobel Prize. And her daughter came out years later after she had, and it literally said, yeah, no, she, I reported to my mom that my stepdad was abusing me and she did nothing. And she did nothing.
Starting point is 01:45:22 And then she was writing all of these inspirational, you know, novels and things about like young girls and childhoods and all this stuff. And she did nothing and then she was writing all of these inspirational, you know, novels and things about like young girls in childhoods and all this stuff. Like she was seen as this like feminist icon and then behind the scenes she was, you know, completely discrediting her daughter. So like I I'm hesitant to be like, yeah, fuck your daughter. What a bitch because well, how do we know it didn't happen? Yeah It's really tough. I mean, it's it's crazy 13-year-old would be so diabolical to just like make that up. But at the same time, like, there has been other stories, and I don't know if this
Starting point is 01:45:53 was a Patreon or not. Our Patreon fam is making a list, so this will be easier for me soon. But there was a story where this child did not want a sibling. And so this child, a nine-year-old or 11-year-old or something, pushed their mom down the stairs to end the pregnancy. See, there are so many, there aren't so many. There are very few stories like that. That's why it's so horrifying. Of children doing very extreme psychopathic things
Starting point is 01:46:22 where either they genuinely don't have something in their brain that we all have that triggers empathy, or they just genuinely don't understand the consequences of their actions. A lot of times when kids are very adolescent, very immature, they don't understand that if they do something, something else, one plus one equals two,
Starting point is 01:46:39 like putting your hand over a stove that will burn you, like that's something that you write, comes a little later. Totally believable, like that could happen. But right, like why wouldn't she have followed, like the OP have followed up, like with saying she made it all up with like explanation on how they know that.
Starting point is 01:46:57 Did she admit to making it all up? Yes, so we do have, we have so many comments from OP. If I tried to read them. Right, you're to read them, we would be here all day. The ultimate question is, am I the asshole? Well, I also do think, right, if you still stood by your child, if she made it, let's say she made it all up, right, but you stood by your kid and you know, you had to take out all this money from her fund to pay for all these things and you still love her, et cetera, et cetera, and your kid is, you know is demanding this money now, whatever, all of that.
Starting point is 01:47:28 I don't necessarily think in any scenario, regardless of how much you want your kid to understand, I don't think that making your kid feel bad about their existence is helpful in the long run. I think that giving your kid a notarized list of every single expense that took out from the fund. Yeah. Like, I don't think that's really necessary. I think you could just be like, look, like I had to pay, like, break broad strokes.
Starting point is 01:47:53 Like, I had to pay for the divorce. I had to pay for this. I had to pay for that. I was a single mom. I couldn't afford this stuff. You know, I would love to help you, but I can't. But then it's also like, well, if you, like, I don't know. Yeah, I will say like, knowing just initial posts,
Starting point is 01:48:07 cause I haven't gotten into these comments at all. I just, I mean, the post was in itself like- In itself a lot to unpack, yeah. Yeah, but like, I feel like for me hearing this, you know, she is 18 now, I don't think the mom is necessarily the asshole for giving her this breakdown. It's kind of like that harsh reality.
Starting point is 01:48:24 It just, it is what it is. Could she have maybe like sugar coated it a little bit for the 18 year old who is now just an adult and going off to college? Yeah. But at the same time, this girl, this is kind of the reality we're living in and she maybe needs to hear this.
Starting point is 01:48:40 Like your actions have these long lasting consequences and you're gonna have to pay for college like a lot have these long lasting consequences and you're going to have to pay for college like a lot of regular people, sweetie. Yeah, that's fair. That's actually really fair. Sorry. No, actually that is really fair. That's very fair.
Starting point is 01:48:54 And it's fair because if everything that they'll be said is true, then the reality that's going to hit you like a fucking truck when you do have consequences for your actions, whether it be lying about someone's behavior or abuse or, you know, having to pay your way. Yeah, no, you're gonna, the consequences are gonna sucker punch you. And so maybe this absolutely was exactly
Starting point is 01:49:19 what this daughter needed. I mean, it's just kind of- I could see how that could be helpful in the sense of, hey, so like, I'm going to give you a lesson in like how much things cost as well. I think that's really helpful because- Especially for private school. Like, you got kicked out.
Starting point is 01:49:33 And you got, look, you got kicked the fuck out. And also like in high school curriculum, regardless of whether you're a private republic in America, at least in this country, you're never, like you aren't taught basic, like, this is how much taxes are, this is how much you're gonna be taking out your paycheck, this is how much shit costs,
Starting point is 01:49:49 this is how much a car payment is. We are taught shit. This is how much an apartment is in this area, if you'd like to live around here. And if your parents don't teach you that, right, or if you aren't exposed to it young, and she's already kind of being, you know, if her attitude is very much like,
Starting point is 01:50:03 I'm entitled to you to like pay my way, then yeah, I think a dose of a little receipt maybe is helpful. For sure. You changed me, you spun me. Well, and I think it was the way she, the daughter kind of came at the mom too, where it's like, well, where is all this money? You wasted it.
Starting point is 01:50:18 It wasn't a, it wasn't a, look, I need help, but I know you have this fund, like why can't I have it in a very, you know, because if there was, if my parents had a fund in my fucking name, that was literally titled like, Reb Education Fund for her college education. And I thought in my head that they were like holding onto it when I didn't want to take out loans, right?
Starting point is 01:50:35 Like, I wanted to focus on school. I would absolutely be like, hey, not saying that I'm entitled, but like, what's up with that? Right? Like, what's up with that? But yeah, I just, I think that the way that she approached it is very much also showing her immaturity. Yeah, and the daughter has a right to be upset.
Starting point is 01:50:53 Like I get it's probably a shock. You're going through school and you're excited to go to college and have a free ride. But the mom's like, I'm upset. I've been through it. They're both just, you know, they're going through it. But let's get into some of these comments from OP. So people are asking like,
Starting point is 01:51:06 how do you know that she wasn't telling the truth? Like charges were dropped, whatever, but like still, what if she was telling the truth? So OP responds, the police investigated. The charges were dropped for lack of evidence. Also, there was evidence that what she claimed was impossible. I will give one example. My ex worked in his
Starting point is 01:51:26 truck. She claimed he came home during the day. His truck had a tracker from his employer and a camera that showed he was on the other side of the city. Yeah. So a lot of comments. I had a partner. He made a good living with him here. I could have saved more. I could not have spent that money on her high school then. I used the money for her education. People are asking about the ex. Is he okay? You know, things like that.
Starting point is 01:51:55 My ex is okay. We still talk. He got a new job. He is still angry. He wants nothing to do with her. OP says, she got him arrested and caused him to lose his job by lying. Should he be happy about it and have stuck around to fund her life?
Starting point is 01:52:10 Do you think it was easy for me to start a relationship with a man after they found out what she did? Because that's true too. This starts with your life, for your life. You know, like it's not, you marry the kid too, for sure. And I think too, like clearly the mom was doing something before that even happened.
Starting point is 01:52:30 She heard that kid was in therapy with her, right? In fact, she mentioned like in therapy, she never said she had a problem with this relationship. And that's also like the root. And yes, of course, like we're talking about a child, right? Like, look, like the amount of times I was 13 beeping with a 45 year old teacher, please. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:52:44 And then now that I'm older, I'm like, what the fuck was her like? Why was she, why was she, why was she beefing with me though? I was like, it wasn't that serious. But right, this is obviously much bigger than that. And the way that a 13 year old or even earlier, right? Cause it's like, yeah, 13 was when this all happened. But let's assume that they started dating before then.
Starting point is 01:53:01 It wasn't probably a two day romance. She was probably 10, 11, 12, let's say. Like, what was coming up in, like, you know what I mean? Like, how is this not coming up in therapy of her just like not talking about her negative feelings toward this relationship? And if that never came up, then after this thing, this all happened, then like,
Starting point is 01:53:20 do you have a sit down conversation with your daughter and say, look, like, I'm really fucking mad at you. I love you forever. Yeah. But really mad and angry because why did you do this? Because we clearly know why. Why didn't you tell me beforehand? Of course, I want you to be happy as a mother when you're dating someone for sure.
Starting point is 01:53:39 I know so many moms who were single parents who were dating again. And they were like, no, unless my daughter's out of the house, I do not want to make her uncomfortable even if I think this is love of my life and he'll wait around until she's 18. Why didn't her daughter just, why didn't you feel safe enough to tell me that but you felt safe enough to expose my ex
Starting point is 01:54:00 for something you never did? Clearly you don't have a confidence issue. No, and it begs the question of like, is she okay in the head? Because that is very diabolical. Psychopathic. Just because sociopath, psychopathic, like you don't have, there's no empathy there.
Starting point is 01:54:18 Like even if you didn't like this person, he didn't deserve that. He didn't deserve it. Yeah, and your mom didn't deserve that. No. I mean, good on, and your mom didn't deserve that. I mean, these are outliers. Good on the mother for believing her child because there are so many, too many cases of parents who do not believe their damn kid.
Starting point is 01:54:36 Listen to your kid. Your kid is not this. 99% of the time will not be the ones making it up just to get what they want. Oh my God, no. Believe your kid. will not be the ones making it up just to get what they want. Oh my god. No, no. But that's why it's so crazy. Yes. Because kids at 13, like they're not this diabolical typically. And they're not thinking that far ahead of like yay. And she did the right thing. She protected her kid as any parent should do in this situation. And I think that if that would have happened again, she would have done the same as I think. Exactly. Of course.
Starting point is 01:55:03 There's so many comments from OP. I will be sure to link this post. There's a comment here, people are accusing her of stealing this money and she goes, how did I steal the money when I used it for her education? Basically, implying like, no, I still think he did it, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she goes, no, I think the cops and my ex's lawyers proved pretty conclusively that she was lying and she admitted it. So there's that.
Starting point is 01:55:28 Yeah, I was waiting for that too. I believed my daughter, would you have taken a chance? Yeah. So it's like good on the mom. Good on the mom. This is surprising. We have an update on this one. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:55:43 I did not know this existed. I'm so nervous and one. Oh, okay. I did not know this existed. I'm so nervous and excited. Yay! Update. I'm not yaying like yay, people suffering, but you get it. Give me the tea. Yeah. Thank you all for the comments,
Starting point is 01:55:55 even the ones where you called me a raving bitch for calling the cops after my daughter's allegations. Fuck those people. First, my ex was completely cleared. He was never home at the time, she alleged, the SA. We have security cameras in my house. There are exactly zero videos of him entering her room or being inappropriate with her in the common areas.
Starting point is 01:56:13 I've already commented on the other evidence that got the charges against my ex dropped. She admitted the truth and said that she was doing it to get him out of our house. He is doing okay now. He has a new job and he and I still talk. Her excuse was that she didn't think I would immediately call the cops. She thought I would just kick him out since it is my house. She felt trapped and
Starting point is 01:56:34 like she couldn't back down. She has never apologized to him. She has been in therapy since she was five, both on her own and with me. To my knowledge, she never mentioned anything about SA to her therapist, and they are mandated reporters. Second, I told her that I will not be co-signing her loans. I told her that I will be backing her up and doing my best to make sure that she does not default, but I'm not risking my home or my future for her. She fully understands now where her savings went. She is upset with herself mostly now.
Starting point is 01:57:06 She realizes that the private school was my last choice and only necessary because of choices she made. Thank you all for your help. Third, since I do not care about karma, I will be giving this account to either blah, blah, blah or blah, blah, blah tomorrow. They are welcome to delete the posts or sell the account for the.59 it is worth. Interesting. I've never heard of that, but thanks for the details. Thanks for that. Okay. I mean, yeah, I think the complexities of parenting, this one is as complex as you can get.
Starting point is 01:57:40 But I think that that is a fair decision. You know, like you want, for her to want to still be in her daughter's life and love her kid, despite the horrible things she did. Oh my God. I mean, what do you do? It's still your baby. Yeah. And you don't want them to fail, right? You don't want to set them up to fail. But I don't think withholding as much financial support as you could possibly conjure isn't necessarily setting up your kid to fail. No. And I think-
Starting point is 01:58:09 They gotta land on their own two feet. Yeah, and I think like, you know, there's so many people out there that do all of this on their own. They come to this country on their own. They establish themselves on their own. They have to go to college and pay for it on their own. Like I didn't have help paying for college.
Starting point is 01:58:22 I had some help with dorm and things like that. But I have the student loans to back it up. That is kind of a normal thing. She might realize she doesn't wanna go to college and she can pursue other things. Your parents aren't necessarily responsible for paying for your education. The fact that she was willing to sign was really generous,
Starting point is 01:58:42 but I do think that's a little bit of a risk. Those Perkins loans or whatever the hell they are, Perkins Plus, like that's a scary thing. If you can't pay it off and your parent could lose their house, that's scary. And definitely, you know, you have to trust your kid as much as your kid's supposed to trust you when they get to an adult age, especially, right? Like, the power dynamic shifts, and you can't just put your livelihood in your house, everything at risk, on a kid that isn't that trustworthy, and a kid that probably isn't gonna, you know,
Starting point is 01:59:17 follow through on their obligations, their promises, whatever. And I think it's fair for... It's too big of a risk at this point. Yeah, and trust is built regardless of how much you love your child and especially adult children. It's just a different dynamic. Yeah, I do appreciate the fact that she is now realizing like, oh, this is because of what I did.
Starting point is 01:59:37 She cried, not that psychopaths can't cry, but right? When her mom was telling her this, I think that also, of course, her mom's the one telling the story, you know? I mean, yes, her daughter did something horrible, if all of that's true. But you know, I think that the depth or level, the depth or level of that daughter's remorse could very much be also experienced in private.
Starting point is 02:00:00 Like maybe she's feeling really guilty on the side. Like maybe she's having a coming to Jesus moment. We can only hope. Like maybe she's feeling really guilty on the side. Like maybe she's having a coming to Jesus moment. Yeah. We can only hope. And you also like in that update, she did say she was too scared to back down. Yeah. The 13 year old got the ball rolling and it's one of those things like, oh shit, oh shit, oh shit.
Starting point is 02:00:17 Yeah. You're 13. You don't know that you're not going to get in trouble if you say, oh, I was lying. Right. You think you have to keep it going. Right. Not to excuse any of what she did because she did ruin someone's life. you're not gonna get in trouble if you say, oh, I was lying. You think you have to keep it going. Not to excuse any of what she did
Starting point is 02:00:27 because she did ruin someone's life. This man lost his job. He's got a whole workplace that thinks he is a pedophile. The social damage from that, the financial damage, he had to get lawyers, he had to do all of this to just prove he was innocent. There are multiple lives that were ruined in this whole process, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 02:00:48 But does the 13-year-old know? Like, I'm not saying does 13-year-old know that all the hell happened, but I think what it sounds like is the 13-year-old thought that the only result that would come from this would be him kicked out and his parents broken up. And yes, that's a very naive, immature thing to think. But again, she's naive and immature.
Starting point is 02:01:08 Of course she is, not excusing what she did. But I think that it's much easier to stomach the fact that a 13 year old could do that because it's not because that the ultimate result was what she had diabolically playing the whole time, but it's because the snowball, she's a kid, I mean, I'm imagining like images of like kids, you know, in middle school age, whatever,
Starting point is 02:01:32 who like get caught, get caught in a lady, she get red in the face, no, I didn't, no, I didn't, and they don't realize, cause they don't have the experience and context yet, that you need to just, right? It's spiraling, babes, like it's spiraling, and you didn't think this was gonna happen, you need to fall on the sword.
Starting point is 02:01:45 But with something that big. I know, how do you teach your kids that? Like, hey, don't, hey, yeah, enough law and order SVU. Well, no, more law and order SVU so you can see how terrible it can ruin someone's life, as it should if they did do those things. But yeah, I think that in this case, there might be a finer line between,
Starting point is 02:02:07 you know, a normal kid doing this, who very much fucking thoroughly fucked up, but like, you know, I don't think that necessarily, yes, for sure, a psycho path. The kid pushing his mother down the fucking stairs, I'm thinking it's a path, it's one of the paths. But I think this, right, because he knew what the paths. Yeah, I think they could do brain scans on that one. Right, because he knew what the result would be.
Starting point is 02:02:28 They knew what the result would be. Here, I think that she was so fucking naive. Somehow, someway, she was naive enough to genuinely believe that this wouldn't happen. Or she's totally a psycho. That's why, I mean, look, I'm childless. I am currently childless. And this is gonna definitely go in my con column.
Starting point is 02:02:46 But look, listen, look and listen. Believe children. Yes. Because yes, it's horrible, but you would rather have genuinely as a society, just as a voter, as a person, I would rather have this happen than to have the opposite where there is a path of child victims. Yeah. Behind one person who's productive, of course, and I'm sure the ex has his own thoughts, but right, like it's hard. Yes. If you look at, you know, the outcomes of like believing your kid and like
Starting point is 02:03:14 doing a thorough investigation, like it's worth it. It's worth it. And you proved that he was innocent, right? Like that's the thing too is, you know, I, the mom didn't, I would never want any doubt. I would never want a single shred of doubt in my fucking mind. I hate what ifs. For something that fucking serious, someone touching my child. You always, you have to evaluate. Yeah, like, yeah. And that's why when people are like, I just don't want to know or oh no, it's probably
Starting point is 02:03:35 a choice. Get your head out of the sand. I'm like, okay, a hundred percent. Hate you. Get your head out of the sand. Yep. Well, that is so wrong. It feels illegal. Definitely, definitely is so wrong. It feels legal.
Starting point is 02:03:46 Definitely, definitely the last one. It really felt illegal. A few people need sentences. They're not, they're not legal yet, but maybe this is the start. Laws can change. The, the switching twins, the sister who gave the blanket,
Starting point is 02:04:01 hashtag, where's the blanket? Hashtag, where's the blanket? I would love for that person to find this and where's the blanket. I love the blanket. Hashtag where's the blanket. I would love for that person to find this and send me the blanket. Right here, it can just be a souvenir. Please, please. I would love that. Reb, thank you so much for coming on.
Starting point is 02:04:15 It was amazing. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you? Listen to your podcast. Again, what's your podcast called? Cause it's so good. Rebuttal Pod. My name's Reb.
Starting point is 02:04:25 Reb Maisel. So I thought Rebuttal would just be cute and catchy, you know, whatever. Gross. And it's so legally. Right? It's so legal. Yes. You can find me everywhere at at Reb Maisel on TikTok, on Instagram, on Twitter, and then
Starting point is 02:04:38 Rebuttal Pod on YouTube. And you can hear in long form me usually having an opinion and some chat about some people and some cases that are insane. Give people like one of the craziest cases you've had on your show. Like what one is like really sticking with you? Well, the one that I've been thinking about a lot recently is, so a dad, his son was married, a fiance that he didn't like, okay, the father, all right? And the father owned like a bunch of apartment buildings and they leased them out. So he was sitting on some pretty big, pretty big buddy, pretty big fortune.
Starting point is 02:05:09 So his son marries his wife. So of course, right? Like the way that inheritance works in California and most places, like it's going to go, it's going to go to the son, which would then, you know, his wife would benefit. And he hated his son's wife so much that he was like, I don't even want her to see a dime. So the son, okay, did have some drug problems, but he got sober. And then he did have a relapse and he ended up relapsing and overdosing in his, in a hotel room and his dad ended up finding him.
Starting point is 02:05:38 And so what any loving father would do, right? When you see your son's body, accidental overdose in a hotel room is say, how can I keep my money safe? So he took his son's body and put it behind the wall of one of the apartment complexes that they owned and rented out. Yep. I swear on my life, Stakely Holy Bibles, okay? Hand on the Stakeholy Bible, I swear, that people were living in, right? Hit his body behind the wall for eight years. It sat there. And what he told the wife, right? Because his wife was like, where's my husband? He's not coming home, that he wanted to start a new life and left and just flew somewhere abroad. And there was no evidence that he did anything different. So there was no investigation, like anything.
Starting point is 02:06:27 So the dad's will was set up that all of this stuff would go to the son. Well, he basically made sure that anything the son had, it wouldn't go to the wife. I'm still back at the wall. Right, right, the wall. Yeah. So yeah, the son's body is behind this wall, behind this fucking wall. And it's basically like, he just wanted to make sure that whatever money that his son ever got, like, it wouldn't go to the wife, it would go to the son's kids as opposed to like the wife,
Starting point is 02:06:53 because typically it's like, whatever. So it's this whole thing. So it turns out, ends up that eight years later, the police show up to the guy's house and find he had killed himself, the father had killed himself at his home, and they found the son's body behind the wall because they were like, something fucking small is in here. Father's dead, the son's body is behind the wall, and there's a will that's written on a shitty piece of napkin, like literally like someone just threw it on top of the son's body. And it was the son's will, I say with quotes, giving everything that he owned to, I think, someone else.
Starting point is 02:07:26 Like someone else, okay? Not the wife. Being like, nothing for my wife, bye. Love Gretchen Wieners, bye. Like literally like heart, okay? What the hell? So the case that this is, okay, is not a murder case. It's not anything like that.
Starting point is 02:07:40 It's a Will's trust in a state's case because this case went up to the California Court of Appeal on whether this Will qualified and could be entered in. But of course, the husband's estate and the son's estate are two different things. Of course, the husband's estate is going to claim, oh no, you know what I mean? Like he left all the money to me. I'm pretty sure it went like in a circle and per the son's will, like it was supposed to go back into the husband's estate or some shit like that. So the representative of the son's estate was like, no, it's a goodwill. Cause like, you know, I don't know, it's a goodwill. And so his wife was like, no, it's not. It's not a goodwill. So, but right, you have to prove this shit. So, so there was a bunch of
Starting point is 02:08:16 reasons why, like the way that the wife was referenced, he never called her by her full first name. It was always like a nickname first name. And like she only used her full name certain times, but he was using her full name the entire, right throughout the entire will. Do you see how there's like, and also like the signature was a little weird, but like the phrasing was also weird.
Starting point is 02:08:35 And also like he spelled one person's name wrong. So it's literally like a, like it is very interesting, right? And it would be super interesting. Like you're like, wait, what? Right? Literally tune in. There were literally like, cause the court has to go through all the factors of like, okay, why would this be fake?
Starting point is 02:08:47 Like we have to prove it because wills are accepted. You could write in blood against a side of a tractor, what someone did in Canada and it was accepted. I give everything to my wife as he was laying dying. And it was, it was seen as, as a goodwill. It was, it was totally fine because, because right, there are only a few factors you need for a will. You don't need a witness.
Starting point is 02:09:04 You don't need a notary. You don't need a witness, you don't need a notary, you don't need any of that shit. All you need to do is literally, yeah. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that fucking crazy? What? You don't need, like people always want to witness a notary.
Starting point is 02:09:12 Notaries, you don't need those for a fucking will, okay? You need basically for enough proof in most cases to show that you wrote it, that it's actually your last will and testament, and that you signed it in some way, right? Some way, shape, or form. And that's not legal advice, okay? There's other factors and shit, but like, right?
Starting point is 02:09:29 People always think, oh, you need two witnesses. Yes, that's a general rule, but there's always exceptions to the rule, and we call them holographic wills. I did not know this. When they kind of are like rogue wills, where we're like, are we gonna accept this? Like under extreme circumstances.
Starting point is 02:09:41 And it's, I mean, that's why I love the law so much, because I'm like, of course course we're going to conform the law to situations that you're right. If someone's writing their fucking will and blood on the side of a tractor, we should maybe pause before giving all of their money and estate to somebody else, right? Like literally you could find, and there's a photo online.
Starting point is 02:09:58 It's a piece of the tractor taken. It's in a museum in Canada. I swear on my life, it's so, I wanted to say, I want to say that it's like, if he wanted to, he would. You know what I mean? Like so cute, but it's horrible a museum in Canada. I swear on my life, it's so- I wanted to say, I want to say that it's like, if he wanted to, he would, you know what I mean? Like so cute, but it's horrible and like whatever. But right, basically long story long, the judge at the end was like, yeah, this will is bullshit.
Starting point is 02:10:14 Not correct, but also what the fuck? Like, isn't that a crazy story? Did the wife and the kids get taken care of then? Yeah, like they, the wife ended up getting the estate, you know, the way it passed, whatever, like there was no will, so it wouldn't, you know, it passed normally. But right, isn't that, he hated this bitch so bad and there was no proof that she ever was like,
Starting point is 02:10:34 he didn't dislike her for a reason, right? He just fucking didn't like her. There was no reason he didn't like her. Oh my God, and they have kids, you have grandkids, so you wanna make sure they're taken care of? No, no, no, he wanted to do it himself, like he didn't want her to touch a single dime, a single dizzy, which I, which is like petty levels
Starting point is 02:10:49 that I don't think I'm ever gonna reach. No! And hope never to, but imagine like, I can't believe. And it was an apartment in Berkeley, and people who have listened to that episode, it's called The Body Behind the Wall, They're like, I live there.
Starting point is 02:10:59 No, literally got DMs, literally, because I have photos up on the YouTube of like the photo of the fucking apartment, it's like a new, this happened in the 2000s by the way, this is like 2012. I want to get an x-ray machine. This is not like 1970s. And check walls. This is like 2008.
Starting point is 02:11:11 Like this is like early, like this is not, or this is like, could have happened yesterday. She was like, I fucking live next door, you fucking, and nobody knows about this. They're like, I fucking what? Because it's like, why would that make the news? Because you have to understand, Wills, be a lawyer, they said. So, not wild. What the fuck? You're like, can you give us like a two second summary of the case? And I'm like, let me give you 40 minutes. No, that was incredible. I'm like, and I'm going to let you come take over my show because I want to experience this firsthand. Like, wow. Amazing.
Starting point is 02:11:46 Check out the Patreon guys, because there's going to be some stories from this theme heading over there. I don't fucking know if they'll top that. Thank God that story was at the end of the episode now. Damn. Right. God, Lord. But thank you again for coming on. Thanks for having me. Loved it. We are on tour. Be sure to check out. If we're coming to your city. I'm potentially adding a couple.
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