Two Hot Takes - 282: 1st Day on Earth! Ft. Direct_Caterpillar77

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Two Hot Takes host, Morgan, is joined by guest co-host Lauren and Direct_Caterpillar77 aka Matt for a few stories!! So excited to tackle these stories that have us wondering if it's the person's first... day on earth! Because how else can you explain such nonsense? From someone that gets mad at their partner because they bit a rind, to a puppet wedding, to AI wedding vows, and more. So excited to get into these and have Direct_Caterpillar joining us for a few. Can't wait to hear your thoughts! Partners:  Credit Karma: This episode is brought to you by Intuit Credit Karma. Karma you can count on. UPCOMING LIVE SHOW: https://www.foryoufestival.com/tickets Patreon BONUS Content including FREE stories: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/TwoHotTakes ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ NEW MERCH:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shop.twohottakes.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ WRITE IN TO US!! Our SubReddit! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Full length Video episodes available on YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/TwoHotTakes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Index: 00:00 -- Start Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 How's your day, Ben? Fine, yeah. I do, Big Dog. Good. Your hair and makeup looks really, really nice today. Thank you. Your makeup looks great. I love your earrings.
Starting point is 00:00:09 We want to show the people that your earrings. Stare down the cam. Mog. Have you heard of Mogging? I feel like I've heard it from me. You should Mog that camera. What is it exactly? Morg.
Starting point is 00:00:21 The definition of Mog to outclass, outshine, or look physically superior to someone else. That's just not how it sounds. I'm thinking like a frog, a toad, I don't know. It's coming from like an alpha male group, but I think people have like kind of internet twisted it to make it a more positive funny thing. And like, so I saw there's this one person named clavicular who's, I know nothing about him, probably problematic.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I didn't, I don't want to know. But I saw a picture of someone sharing a meme where they're like, clavicular looks like young Sheldon. And then the actor that plays young Sheldon responded back and goes, I mugged him here. And I'm like, mug, okay. I'm feeling like I'm in the know right now. So you're teaching me something.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Yeah, so if you could just mug that camera to show off your earrings, that would be great. Thank you. Don't look at my broken nail, please. You're fine. They can't see your nails. That's not very muggy. No. But those earrings we got when we were in Mayorka and Lauren was hesitated.
Starting point is 00:01:22 I was like, no, they're literally perfect for your eyes. And now you keep wearing them. And I'm like, yes. Well, so I go through these, like, jewelry phases where I think I just like lose the rest of them or I'll like put them somewhere and I misplace them and then I just like only wear one pair of earrings. I'm like that with clothes. A few months until I misplaced these and then I'll find something else and then yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:46 That's the 80 HD and us. Is it? Because I go through that with clothes. I only wear the same thing for like two weeks and then once I have to wash it, it's gone. Don't know where it is. No, I will like with comfy clothes like I will wear them until I stain them. And I'm like, I'm like, I need to wash them because I need to wear it. Like, I get like really obsessed with like comfy clothes.
Starting point is 00:02:04 And I'm like, these can't be replaced that like these ones are perfect. And then I stain them and then I move on. I'm big into a sleep t-shirt. Like I value my sleep t-shirts more than any other piece of clothing and I have because I just cherish them so much. And Justin finally understood it the other day. We got invited thanks to our Spotify fam to go to see Shabuzi. What's Shabuzi? Shabuzi's a music artist.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Okay. He just put out a new country album. Okay. And it's unreal, super good. You guys should all listen. But they were giving away t-shirts. And Justin's like, why don't you get it in a size you can actually wear in public? And I'm like, no, no, no, two-x baby.
Starting point is 00:02:43 2x-l. So I can wear it as a sleep tea because I just, I love them. Yeah. And he's like, oh, you care about sleep t-shirts more than anything. And I'm like, yeah. It's a big deal. Yeah. Here we are eight years later.
Starting point is 00:02:56 It's finally, you know, clicked in. I'm like, yes. Oh my gosh. One of our friends got me such a nice gift. Basically, it's a brand of sweats that's like made for traveling. Ooh. And I, um, it's really, it's oversized in itself. And so she got me a medium and I'm like, it is oversized. But I still want a large. But I still am like, I'm like, I need it to be triple XL. Like I'm just like need it. I need to like make a house from it. I wanted to hang off me. I want to literally, do not touch my hips. In the airplane, get off me. I want to create a fort with it.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Yeah. That's how I am too. Shall we get into today's stories? I really love that catch up with you. I hope everyone out there is doing well. I hope you are ready to embark on a nice commute, road trip, time at the gym, maybe a cleaning spree, whatever it is. Happy you're here with us as we get into today's stories.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yes. theme! I'm not firing on all cylinders. Me neither. But we've got wine. It is chilled. Do you like it? I love it.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Thank you for getting this. Which we are going to need lay patience today because the theme is first day on earth. Okay. These are just stories full of people that you kind of wonder what they've been up to the past 20, 30, 40 years of their life. Like, how did you make it this far? Like my dad loves to say to me when I try to help him do stuff, he's like, Morgan, what do you think I've been doing for the last 65 years? I go, truly, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:04:37 I don't know how you've made it this far because you need my help. Jerry is like the little, the grandma in Moulon that like closes her eyes and like has the cricket and walks through. And like everything is like destroyed in his path, but he stays perfectly fine. That is my dad. He is just chaos, which we're going to have dad back on a show soon. I know, I've been hearing for calls for him. Yeah, that would be fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:03 But he does have his own show. His own show, guys. Father knows something. Yeah. You can go see Dad every week. Yeah. But these people, they're just, it's chaos. It is confusion.
Starting point is 00:05:12 It is first day on earth. Let's dive in. Let's do it. Story number one for us here. Coming from R slash relationship advice titled, Feeling Shocked and Confused. after I saw my girlfriend without makeup. How do I navigate? Wait, how old is this person? My girlfriend, 21 female, and I, 22 male, have been officially
Starting point is 00:06:15 dating for less than a week. But we've seen each other for about two months. Things have been really good, and we've gone on nice dates, we're taking things slow physically, no sex yet, and we've just been getting to know each other. One thing I never really noticed until recently was how much makeup she wears. Or maybe she was just very good at applying it and genuinely I couldn't tell. Her makeup always looked really natural, so I never gave it much thought. If I really paid attention, I might have seen a little skin texture, but nothing that stood out. The other night, we were at a party, and both of us got tipsy. We ended up in a bedroom, the lights were off, and we started making out pretty heavily. It was hot, sweaty, and her face was kind of smushed up
Starting point is 00:06:59 against my chest. I wasn't wearing a shirt. We had a little. We had to be a lot. We had to be a lot. We eventually fell asleep like that. I woke up before she did, and that's when I noticed. Most of her makeup had rubbed off during the night, and I saw her bare skin for the first time. She had really inflamed red areas on her cheeks and chin, breakouts on her forehead. It looked painful, like cystic acne. It shocked me because she looked so different from what I was used to. It was one of those moments where a part of me, if I'm being brutally honest, felt kind of deceived, which is harsh, I know. It was more shock than actual twinge of feeling turned off by how she looked, but it really did feel like I was seeing a completely different person. I started wondering
Starting point is 00:07:48 if she thought I was too clueless to ever notice, or if she just hoped I wouldn't care. When she woke up, I think she realized what had happened. She looked embarrassed and went straight to the bathroom and stayed there for a while. I told her it was okay that she didn't have to hide and that her skin didn't matter to me. I said what I thought was the decent thing to say. But now, I'm questioning if I actually meant it deep down. Because truthfully, I haven't been able to stop thinking about how different she looked. I haven't ghosted her or anything, but I've definitely.
Starting point is 00:08:23 been keeping busy. I don't know what to say to her. She's picked up on it and is clearly anxious overtaxed, but I still don't know how to respond without either lying or hurting her feelings. The whole things made me wonder if I rushed into this too quickly. She wanted some type of commitment and I liked her enough to do that. Maybe I should have pushed back gently and we should have spent more time dating casually getting to know each other fully before making it official. I didn't expect to feel this way, but now that I do, I don't know what the right next step is. I mean, if you can't handle that, like, then you need to see yourself out because she deserves way more than that. I know some people might read this and instantly call me shallow.
Starting point is 00:09:09 I've already run that accusation through my own head, but here's where I'm genuinely trying to understand the line. To me, there's a difference between someone wanting to look their best to feel confident and put together, and someone consistently presenting a version of themselves that's so curated it creates a false baseline of what they actually look like. That distinction matters. Recalling some memories, I can tell now she wore full face makeup, even for a casual coffee run. I've dated someone with skin issues before, but it didn't change how attracted I was to her. I fully understand that she doesn't owe me full vulnerability, especially not early on, but do I need to agree with the idea that her use of so much makeup was also about presenting a curated false version of herself
Starting point is 00:09:55 and not just wanting to look her best? What if her idea of makeup is really to change her whole face? I'm not claiming to be the victim here, but I also can't say she's entirely without responsibility in all of this. She knew her natural skin might significantly affect how I saw her, and yet she allowed me to think this is what she looked like. So I am also, a little miffed at her. I don't know if I want to break up with her. She's a good person, but if I continue dating her, I'd want to force an honest conversation with her. Yeah. I, what was the theme of this episode again? First day on earth. Yeah. You know, what do you think? What are your thoughts?
Starting point is 00:10:41 I had so many memes and like audios and like things pop into my head as I was reading. this. One, the quote he says here, what if her idea of makeup is really to change her whole face? And there was a trend on TikTok for forever where it was like, don't let the men know we can shape shift or like, don't let the church know we can shape shift. And it really just kind of speaks to that of like, yeah, makeup can do a lot. And it can, you know, people can turn their face into Sabrina Carpenter. Do I think that's what she's doing? No. I think she's just wearing a really nice makeup. I'm like, what primer are you using? What foundation are you using? And can you please teach me how to do my makeup? I know. I have like a cystic pimple on my chin right now. And that like,
Starting point is 00:11:27 it's like, my concealer doesn't like cover it. It's like just, like, if it's not bad, nothing works. And so I'm like, the fact that he literally is just finding this out now after months, weeks of dating, I'm like, okay, by the sounds of how he was describing it, she didn't shape shift. She just, you saw her natural skin. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I'm like, do you still like her? But it's giving like really toxic energy too with like, I don't know if you ever saw this on social media where people were like, take her on a first date and make sure you go swimming. Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Because like then you'll find out what she really looks like. So she doesn't pull a fast one on you. Wow. And that is also what it's reminding me of where it's just like this really toxic energy. You know what's interesting is that when I was younger, I knew a guy. And like this really stood out to me because I, you know, being. in Minnesota. Like, I feel like specifically when we were younger, I felt like plastic surgery was so like, whoa, like bad plastic surgery. And obviously things have like changed a lot now. But like that was
Starting point is 00:12:33 kind of like how I grew up. No, it was used as a dig. Yeah. Especially in regards to women. It was not very. Which are typically the users of plastic surgery. But this person was telling me that he was like when I was a kid, he was like, oh, I was. would way rather have a woman have plastic surgery than cake on makeup because then they just like bait and switch people. And so, and again, we were kids, but like I just remember that sticking out to me because I was like, wait, what? Like, that's like not like what I, like people normally in Minnesota were like chattering about. Um, so clearly this is like not a, the only person who's ever thought that. And it's like just makes me sad because I'm like, guys literally
Starting point is 00:13:16 have beards and hide imperfections on purpose. I've had many guys say that. The beard effect is real. The hat effect is real. The boyfriend glow up is real. I mean, there's so many things. Yeah. And we're just good souls that just accept these imperfections and the guy in the story is clueless. Yeah. It feels unfair. It feels like an unfair expectation that like, oh, I need to have a serious conversation with her about her makeup and her hiding acne from me. No, it's ridiculous. So many people on this planet wear makeup. And if it makes someone feel a little bit better, sure makes me feel better if I'm having a
Starting point is 00:13:54 break out and I can smudge some things a little bit. Like, I think at the end of the day, everyone should just feel good. And if you're going to hold that against her, you are not capable of being in a relationship with this person. Yeah, exactly. Or just in general. In general. Like, really should, I don't know. You need to expand on your view of the world and people and makeup and maybe culture yourself
Starting point is 00:14:14 out there. Get out from under your rock because. what is life? Like what childbirth? Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. Like would you be able to handle like seeing your baby be born? Body changing. Growing old together. We're not, you know, there's so many things that can happen in life. Are you even ready for that to be a part of someone else's journey? And it's interesting because he does say that he's dated somebody with like skin issues before, like whatever that entails. And that he's like, but she was. up front about it so it didn't bother him. It feels like he really is viewing this as an insane
Starting point is 00:14:51 lie. Yeah. Exactly. And that's why I brought up that thing from when I was younger because I'm like, I don't know. It's so interesting to me because it's like we, yes, like makeup does, that's why we put it on. Like it enhances. Yeah. You know, like it's just makes you feel good. It's fun. Like I literally do it for me. No one else. Makes me feel better. Yeah. Fun, creative for a lot of people. Yeah, exactly. So it's just like, I'm like, do you first day on Earth is a good. It's a good. I'm like, good one. It's like, do you, are you not? What? Like, also like one of the comments here points out to, like, quote, young person discovers that many people have acne. Yeah. You're 22. Like, yeah. You went through teenage years, high school, college, potentially young years where everyone has acne. Yeah. How did you not
Starting point is 00:15:37 have acne? Lucky dude. But they go on to say, if you're expecting young people to have perfect skin, then, oh boy, are you going to be disappointed? This notion of her deceiving you is complete bullocks. Everyone engages in grooming or styling that is intended to modify the appearance of the natural form. If you've worn a suit before, congratulations. You've deceived people. You've worn an item of clothing that is designed to make your shoulders and chest appear bigger than they actually are. Look at that.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Yeah. Okay. And then people really do start kind of sounding off. Someone says, you're so self-involved. You think she wears makeup with the intention to deceive you? She couldn't possibly be wearing it because she likes it or because she's feeling insecure. And quite frankly, you do sound too clueless to notice if you didn't notice this at all. By the way, skin should have texture with or without makeup.
Starting point is 00:16:40 How do you even know that she might be having a flare up and it usually isn't that bad? You've known her for months, but have seen her with breakouts for one day. The relationship is so fresh and this isn't a good start. I'd break up with her and absolutely, all caps, do not mention her skin or makeup. And to be clear, I'm suggesting a breakup so she can be free, not because she did anything wrong. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, this just sounds like a little like boat shoe douchebag, so I'm good. Let her free.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Let her free. Let her free. Please, my girl. And send her my way so she can teach me how to do makeup. Yeah, literally. If there's any makeup artist out there, I know we have a lot that listen because you have gifted me presents, whether it be at our Minnesota live show or our New York live show. Thank you again. You know who I'm talking to. That reminds me those earrings you gave me. I just found them. Remember I was saying I'll lose earrings? Lauren, and I'm a lot of earrings from you guys via our PO box, which we are changing PO boxes. We will update that very soon. But if there's makeup artists out there and you live in L.A. Can you please come and, like, do a makeup class for us? I would love that. Just please help. Please help.
Starting point is 00:17:51 I love that. But okay. We are going to move along to this next one. Story number two for us here. This is coming from Am I the Asshole, titled Am I the Asshole for getting upset after my girlfriend handed me food with a hard seed without warning me? Hmm. My girlfriend and I got into an argument, and I'm wondering if I'm overreacting. We were on a trip with her family.
Starting point is 00:18:13 I did all of the driving. planned the itinerary and was already exhausted from the night before. By that point, I wasn't even hungry. She kept offering me food and encouraging me to eat even though I said I wasn't hungry. Eventually, I took a bite just to stop the back and forth. It turned out to be a tamarind, and she didn't tell me there was a hard seed inside. I bit down hard enough that I thought I cracked my tooth and my jaw was sore for hours afterwards. I got angry and said, quote, why didn't you tell me there was a seed in the food? Instead of saying, sorry, I should have warned you, she told me it was my fault because she doesn't take big bites. This isn't the first time
Starting point is 00:19:00 something like this has happened. In the past, she's handed me food with rinds or other unpleasant parts as a joke to get a laugh, so this felt like part of a pattern rather than an isolated mistake. What bothered me most wasn't the tamarind itself? It was that I felt pressured into eating when I wasn't hungry, wasn't warned about the seed, and then was blamed after I got hurt. She says, quote, you always get mad at me. While I feel like she dismisses my concerns, instead of acknowledging her part in what happened. Amma the asshole for getting angry and feeling disrespected? No, if I were him, I would be pissed. Okay, what's so crazy about this is I know why Bailey put this in here. Why? Because you had the opposite happen. Bailey put this one in
Starting point is 00:19:50 here because it's kind of like, okay, you're taking this bite of this fruit. You've never had it. Like, why didn't you ask questions or like, why didn't you take a baby bite? Why'd you just throw the whole thing in your mouth? Like, is it your first day on earth? Like, never had a fruit? Like, you think about all the fruits that are out there, peaches, nectarines, apples. They have cores. They have hard bite things. And so Bailey was like, is this your first day on earth guy? Let me see a photo. Okay. That'll help change my, or like, okay, so this, and also I'm probably not even pronouncing this right. This is a tamarind, tamarind. Tamarind. It looks to me like a pea pod, an etymomomom. looking kind of food.
Starting point is 00:20:37 I'm going to be honest, I have never seen this. I have never heard of this. I would go in with a lot of questions if someone offered this to me. Bailey's note, very cultural-based, big popular candy in Mexico and things like that. So could be a cultural difference too. I'm telling you right now.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I'm a very picky eater. Have trouble with food. I think that if you're introducing somebody to a new food, I think the polite thing to do is to explain it to them without them. Like especially if you just keep on being like, eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it. Like incessantly. Yeah. And then he's like, all right, I'm going to eat it.
Starting point is 00:21:13 I don't want to eat it. I can totally see it happening. Yeah, I can see myself being really pissed off. And it's like, yeah, sure, like it could have been an easy mistake, but like I'm hurting. So like at least just be like, oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Like next time I'll make sure to like give you like, you know, like just because of the fact that I'm hurting. Yeah. But I guess no one agree. and that's fine.
Starting point is 00:21:34 So the overall vote on this one, friends, is asshole. Yeah. I'm going to be honest. I do think, like, could he have asked more questions? Yes. But the line here, this isn't the first time. That's exactly, exactly. Something like this has happened.
Starting point is 00:21:51 Yeah. In the past, she's handed me food with rind or other unpleasant parts as a joke to get a laugh. So this felt like a pattern rather than an isolated mistake. And that's that line, if he wouldn't have. had that, I would have been on board with everyone where it's like asshole, like you should have asked questions, proceed slowly, take a small bite. But the fact that this is kind of a pattern
Starting point is 00:22:11 with the girlfriend, I'm like, this does feel like sabotage. No, it's totally to laugh at him and she thinks it's funny. Let's get into the comments though. Maybe not. Maybe not. Let's get into the comments because maybe we could be swayed. Okay. I just like, I'm really picturing myself if I was in the situation. And even if it was an irrational frustration towards my partner, I would just hope that my partner would be like, like, oh, I'm so sorry you're hurting.
Starting point is 00:22:38 Yeah. Like I, like, make me feel better. Yeah, like, make me feel better. And then I could calm down and be like, it's fine. Like, it wasn't you. Like, I should have slowed down. And I feel like, I feel like it's really powerful to diffuse when you see that somebody is hurt. And yes, I do, I understand, like, getting defensive when you feel like somebody's blaming you for something that's not your fault. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not surprised that, like, the girlfriend. is also like, whoa, chill out. Yeah. Understandable. So I can see both sides. We're also very sensitive teeth girlies. Exactly. We are listening to this story with our own triggers right now.
Starting point is 00:23:11 My teeth are like sensitive. My teeth hurt. My jaw, I'm like, I'm literally stretching out my jaw reading this story. But let's get into the comments and see if we can maybe understand where the overall vote is coming from. Okay, let's hear it. So top comment, 4.3K upvotes. If you felt like you broke your tooth, you must have serious.
Starting point is 00:23:30 crunched down on that thing. I think she could have warned you, but I also think you overreacted. It was a seed, not a razor blade. Did she know you had never had a tamarind before? I can't decide if it's everyone sucks here or no assholes here, but this seems very petty on both of your parts. It seems like you were reacting mostly to being tired and feeling unacknowledged for planning the itinerary. I think the seed was your medium to blow up at her. Yeah. The seed that broke the camel's back. Yeah. Literally. You know that's not the... Okay. No, I know. Okay. I know it's straw. I know it's straw. Rest assured, everyone. But I wouldn't be surprised if I did think it was actually seed knowing... I like mixed up phrases today when I was doing a voice memo and I'm like, I'm turning into Morgan.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Yeah. Someone responds to that. I'm going, everyone sucks here if she does this shit as a regular prank. Someone responds, big red box, a couple of different this awards, 3.1K upvotes. Who eats unfamiliar food by biting it hard enough to crack a tooth? Dude through a little tantrum, hurt himself, and turned his rage outward. Which is, I mean, I did say, like, if I was trying something I've never tried before, I would ask a lot of questions. Yeah. But I also have food sensitivities. Like I am very averse to new foods and foods that aren't in my like safe zone. Right. And that's why like I, I mean, like Brian, he literally inhaled something. And I feel like I've known that. So if I were to have him, I feel like I would be like I need to coach you through this
Starting point is 00:25:17 because I've watched him shovel something in in five seconds. He probably would have swallowed the seed. So you. It probably wouldn't have gotten crunch. No, you guys, I'm about to gross. Everyone the fuck out. So I've never, I've never tried an olive. I love olives. Ever. Like I, I will only eat the sliced up black olives if they're on that, like, Mexican taco dip. So we're in Mayorka.
Starting point is 00:25:41 We're at this hotel. We're getting restaurant food. This is disgusting. And so they delivered olives as, like, a side with, like, the bread we ordered. And I go, oh, olives, cool. Nothing else was presented, right? Lauren starts eating the olives I don't eat any because I've never had an
Starting point is 00:26:00 olive I don't want to try it today and all of a sudden there's like a little dish I noticed next to the olive that has things in it that look like pistachios. It just appeared. It just appeared all of a sudden. Magic. Magic. And I fucking put it in my mouth and I bite it. I thought you said you didn't bite it. I thought it was just when I bit that thing. I thought it was a pistachio.
Starting point is 00:26:20 It looked like a pistachio. It had the shape of a pistachio. It was the size of a pistachio. It was not a pistachio. It was the pit from Lauren's Olive that she had just spit out of her mouth. But you still had your hands in your mouth. No, you missed my chomp. Well, then you, I think, I lied in the moment to make myself not feel bad and gross. I was like, did you. I bit it.
Starting point is 00:26:41 I was like, did you eat it? And you were like, no, came close. I'm him. It is my first day on earth as well. And I was like, okay, that's good. No, I bid it. And I literally, in that moment, I go, oh. And I'm really traumatized because I popped a crown off recently from a lifesaver mint.
Starting point is 00:27:02 And so all I envisioned to that moment is like, here I go, eaten Lauren's olive pit thinking it's a pistachio. And I'm going to pop off another tooth. See, okay, see, this is actually a good example, though, because in that moment, like, I didn't do anything wrong. No. And none of that was my fault. Not at all. But if you started like, if you started tearing up, like, and being like, oh, Lauren, why don't you tell me? I would be like, I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:27:24 You would apologize. Yeah. I would also be like I didn't know that I had to tell you like you know but like I would see that you're just like distraught you would just want to like validate my feelings of like God you going through that is I'm so sorry you went through that yeah right I'll keep it in mind going forward to hey girl it's not a pistachio that's my I'm putting my olive pit here yeah exactly so I think that's my point in this story is that like he probably did get like a little too snappy with her and then she got defensive and I can understand
Starting point is 00:27:55 understand getting defensive when someone snaps at you for something that you're like, I didn't do this. But like, I also just think that when you see that somebody's like, it's your partner. Yeah. Sometimes the compromise is apologizing when you feel you have nothing to apologize for. And I genuinely believe that. I think at the end of the day, like communicate and sometimes just, hey, I understand where you're coming from. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It went down like that. Like, I'm so sorry. I didn't want to make you feel like that. I'm sorry I didn't know you didn't know.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Like I will give you heads up next time. Yeah. You know, just to, and again, I'm with you. Yeah. The comments are not though. We have a couple more comments here I want to get through. Someone says, you're the asshole. You should probably look at what you're eating, like as a minimum.
Starting point is 00:28:41 If he had never had a tamarind before, he may not have known there was going to be a hard stone inside. It's not super obvious just looking at it. And I will agree with that. It literally just looks like a peepod. Mm-hmm. Someone else says. What? How big is it?
Starting point is 00:28:55 Oh, it is like a ginormous pea pods. It's like a banana size. Honestly, I'm going to find you a picture of someone holding it in their hand for size reference. It's given big. Here's it on like, see this big mixing bowl and spatula? That's in comparison. It is kind of banana-like. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:13 It looks banana-sized. Based on the pictures, I am seeing. Maybe they can be smaller. There's another comment here. She needs to chew for you. What the fuck? You are not a baby. are you? You have eyes. You can feel things, et cetera. Come on. You're the asshole. Fine.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Cool. You, you, yeah, yeah. I don't think he was asking to be baby birded, but you're entitled to your take. You're entitled to your take. Say so. This one, I would be intrigued if we are just listening with our triggers today. I'm very curious those out there. We're going to put a poll on this one. Bailey's going to remind me when we go live. Do you think Tamarind boy, hard seed, chomp guy, is the asshole? Is it everyone sucks or just no assholes here? I'm very curious where our listenership falls. The other thing is like, I guess we don't really have details on the anger. Like, was he to, unless I missed it, but like, if he was just like, what the heck and annoyed, I don't think that that's deep, you know, whereas like if he started cussing at her and being like, you're a piece of tamarin shit. He, again, he said, I got angry and said, why didn't you tell me there was a seed in the food?
Starting point is 00:30:39 Yeah, that, see, to me, I'm like, why is? It's not a big blow up. Yeah. From that. Unless we're missing something. Did he edit it? Everyone else is responding because they... We could be missing something. I'm just like...
Starting point is 00:30:51 I don't know. To me, I feel like that's like a... Honestly, both of them are pretty normal human reactions. So maybe just everyone sucks. Yeah, or everyone's human. Or no assholes here and just like work on your shit, guys. We're going to see. We're going to let the people decide.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Okay. Moving on to story number three, though. This episode is brought to you by Credit Karma. Breathe in. Now breathe out. You feel that that's the calm of having Intuit Credit Karma. in your corner. If you're trying to get your life together in this crazy world, credit karma is a great place to start with the money stuff. Your credit score isn't just a number. It can unlock better rates,
Starting point is 00:31:26 more options, and real savings. So whether you're moving, leasing a car, or upgrading your cards, it feels good knowing your credit is working for you. When you start to feel like there's too much on your plate, you can count on credit karma for less craziness and more credit. Thanks to credit karma, I realized I missed some student loan payments. Thanks, credit karma. Story number three for us here. Coming from Am I the Asshole, titled Am I the Asshole for Not Taking My Fiance to the Restroom Mid-Movie? Me, 21 male, and my fiancé, 21 female, went with my family to watch The Odyssey. We were all excited since it's been one of the most anticipated movies of the year.
Starting point is 00:32:06 About 20 minutes in, she grabbed my arm to cuddle. I like cuddling during movies, but with the theater armrests, it was awkward and uncomfortable, so I pulled my arm back and sat normally. About 10 minutes later, she whispered that her stomach was hurting. I quietly told her she'd be okay. Around 20 minutes later, she mouthed that she needed to fart, but didn't want to because my family was sitting nearby. I told her if she needed to, it was okay.
Starting point is 00:32:33 About 15 or 20 minutes later, she said the same thing again. She needed to fart. Then, another 20 minutes later, she said that she needed to use the restroom. There were warning signs. I told her that if she needed to go, she should go. She asked me to come with her. I said no, because I wanted to keep watching the movie. And since I didn't need to use the restroom,
Starting point is 00:32:56 I didn't see the point in both of us leaving. Every 15 to 20 minutes, for the rest of the movie, she was tapping me and continued saying she needed to go and for me to go with her. I was getting irritated because I was trying to focus on the movie while being interrupted repeatedly. I kept telling her if she really needed to go to just go. But she kept insisting she didn't want to go alone and wanted me to come with her.
Starting point is 00:33:21 The repeated interruptions made it harder for me to follow the movie, and I started feeling more frustrated as it went on. When the credits rolled, I sarcastically said, quote, Now you can go use the restroom since you were bothering me the whole movie. We all used the restroom, talked about the movie on the drive home, and everything seemed fine. When we got back to my house, she was clearly upset.
Starting point is 00:33:45 I asked what was wrong, and she said I'd put the movie ahead of her health. I responded that she is an adult and didn't need me to accompany her to the restroom. She ended the conversation by saying, quote, yeah, I don't need you. Okay. Later, she texted that she has serious bathroom issues and that I wasn't taking her health seriously. From my perspective, it never seemed like a medical emergency. It seemed like she wanted me to walk with her because she didn't want to leave alone. She says, I prioritized the movie over her.
Starting point is 00:34:20 My sarcastic comment was rude, and I didn't care about her health. Run. I agree. The comment was unnecessary, but I also felt like it was inconsiderate to repeatedly interrupt the movie over something that she was capable of handling herself. I don't think she was unable to go because I didn't accompany her. By the way, just to rule this out, this is not an unsafe theater or area whatsoever. She would not be in any danger or harm walking anywhere in this theater alone. So was I in the wrong here?
Starting point is 00:34:54 I'm looking for honest opinions. This is actually the movie How to Lose the Guy in 10 Days. Yeah, actually. Like, I don't, I don't even know what to say. say 21, you're not a seven-year-old at Despicable Me. You are perfectly capable of going to the restroom. This is also, I'm pretty sure the runtime on The Odyssey is like three hours. It's three hours. Every time I talk to someone who says that they've seen it, instead of, when I say, how was it, instead of saying it was good first, they go, it was long, very good, long.
Starting point is 00:35:36 I am really surprised, and I think this should be honestly a common thing in theaters. And I get why they don't do it. Bathroom break? I love an intermission. That would be great. I love going to Broadway musicals and knowing I'm going to get a chance to pee. I love an intermission. So true.
Starting point is 00:35:53 Let me refill on snacks. I would for sure buy more. Let me get another icy and pee in peace without missing anything. If it's over an hour and a half, I think that would be great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This three hours.
Starting point is 00:36:04 How are you sitting there? hotboxing everyone in this theater with an upset stomach. Like, just go to the bathroom. Fart. I know. Just fart. Yeah. I will fart in a loud theater right next to Justin.
Starting point is 00:36:18 That does not faze me. Just fart. Yeah. Someone definitely cropped us to me today. Yeah. It's just fine. Just fart. I feel so horrible.
Starting point is 00:36:27 We've come a long way, haven't we? What? With what? Just the farting. Oh, yeah. People still send me the fart cake. or that article of the girl who got paralyzed because she wouldn't fart. That's horrible.
Starting point is 00:36:40 I get sent that at least a couple times a week. And I appreciate that you are concerned for my health, but I will, rest assured, Toot City at my house. There you go. We're fine. You're healthy now. I'm just passing gas. Yeah. You know, what did this turn into?
Starting point is 00:36:56 You needed that is what I saw. That was a moment that you really needed. So, apparently. Apparently. Yeah. I love that little kid. Do go on, Lauren. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:37:08 I've derailed this train. You're good. I think I might be in a slower wavelength as you today. So I'm struggling to keep up. No. The past couple episodes I've recorded, I need to start putting a limit on the caffeine intake. Because is that what that is?
Starting point is 00:37:31 I like it, though. I would like to match you right now. We could go have an espresso shot across the street. It's too late for that. I'm working on my sleep and self-care. How do we get back? How do we get back? Maybe this way.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Can you imagine just being tapped the whole movie? No, it pissed me off so much. I have to fart. Can you take me to the bathroom? Can you make sure I get in there? Will you wipe my butt too? Oh my God, no, no, no. No, no.
Starting point is 00:38:00 I will not. Also, let's say he does walk her to the bathroom. What if she needs 20 minutes in there? Sometimes you get in there and you don't know how long you're going to need. If her stomach is this upset where it is a medical emergency and he is neglecting her health, I also, it almost feels like she's just like purposely testing him. Like it feels really odd. Like it, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:24 I mean, I guess maybe. Do people genuinely think like this? I don't think so. I do think this is more of a test actually now that you say that. because, I mean, they're engaged at 21. Very young. You know, maybe this is their first relationship. Is she pregnant?
Starting point is 00:38:41 I don't think so. Because, like, if that were to be a factor, I wonder if that plays into it where she's just, like, if I need something, like, you know what I mean? I don't know. Because, like, that would change things a little bit for me. I'm not seeing anything in regards to her being pregnant in the initial comments. I'm not seen an update on this.
Starting point is 00:39:02 interestingly enough though, O.P does respond to this comment that says, I'm leaning towards you're the asshole. In that particular moment in the theater where you are whispering and it's hard to communicate, it's very difficult to get her full story. She asked for your support multiple times
Starting point is 00:39:18 and you didn't understand why, but clearly she felt she needed you. In that specific moment, it doesn't matter whether or not her reasonings are legitimate. The result of your behavior is that you were incurious to her situation and wound up dismissing her concerns.
Starting point is 00:39:34 See, I'm sorry, but like if rules are reversed and I was sitting there and my partner kept doing that to me being like, I got a fart, I got to use the bathroom, what do you mean? What do you mean? I'm confused. They just told me what they need to do. Like, what? Well, and I think too, like modern times, people have phones. Like, if it's more than that, like, and you're in a theater, it's loud.
Starting point is 00:39:53 I have heard from people, this is the loudest movie they've ever gone to. Please, if you're going to go see the Odyssey and you haven't seen it yet, bring earplugs. but you could type it out. Like, hey, I'm actually genuinely having a problem. Can you please escort me to the bathroom? I'm scared I'm not going to come out. I'm scared I'm going to pass out on the toilet. I'm blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:40:11 Like, whatever you're going through. If he could hear her say, I got a fart multiple times, he could have heard her say, I'm scared I'm going to pass out. True. The person does go on to say, you prioritized a movie over her attempt to reach out to you when she was distressed. Grow up. They keep going.
Starting point is 00:40:29 They just, they go on, they go on, they go on. She found the post, and this is her. This is her. That's literally my first thought. O.P. does respond. This is totally fair. And I appreciate your response. It didn't end up being an emergency or anything of that sort when I found out later on.
Starting point is 00:40:44 It's not uncommon for her to blow things out of proportion or make things sound way worse than they actually are. So it's difficult for me to tell if it's a true emergency or not. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. We had stories like this. Yes, the simple response. would be to walk her to the bathroom and figure out what's going on and then afterwards have that conversation. Thank you. And that is something I was going to say too where it's like you spent three hours of her tapping you interrupting so much so to the point you even say I couldn't focus on
Starting point is 00:41:13 the movie. Yeah. You might as well just go do it. Just go do it. You might as well do it. But like at the same time, then I'd be pissed because I'm like I didn't have to use the bathroom and I'm missing this movie. Like specifically depending on like where they are too, there is a theater in order. County that like I know people that in weeks in advance could only get one seat had to sit by themselves, not go with friends. It was front row. But like that's how sought after it was. So like my point is, is that it's like this was like the movie that like people have been really excited about. And so I understand why he didn't, why he was just like thinking, okay, this is the last tap. This is the last time she's going to tell me she has to fart. And now I can
Starting point is 00:41:55 focus on the movie. And every single time it happened, he probably was like, this is the last time. Yeah. But like, but yeah, like, would it have probably been better for him if he just, like, went with her? And I guess better for both of them, sure. But like, that's what you call enabling. So I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. So we have an interesting plot twist here. Oh, my God. Stop. Don't tell me I've been talking shit in the wrong direction the entire time. No. So someone comments to OP. She did make a post and then deleted it when all of the comments. called her the asshole. That's on a plot twist. That is a plot. Validate. But so we go, we click, it's on Am I the Asshole. It is titled, Am I the Asshole for being upset that my fiancé wouldn't take my stomach
Starting point is 00:42:44 issues seriously during a movie. The post has been deleted by the person that posted it. Top comment, you're the asshole. You are old enough to go to the toilet on your own. You're the asshole. You're the asshole. you're the asshole, just bam, bam, bam, bam. But O.P responds and says,
Starting point is 00:43:04 hold up, I had no clue, L.O.L. That may be her, but to be completely honest, it seems like someone copied my text, put it in a chat GPT, and asked to write it from the other perspective. The quotes and everything are identical, so that may be the case. Thanks for letting me know, though.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Bailey's chiming in, says very clearly chat UPT. Automad does have it pasted. I'll make sure that the post is linked if you guys want to go down and read it from the auto mod but it does basically read as the other side and a chat chPD prompt honestly like there's a line here from her emotionally I felt abandoned everyone's entitled to their feelings
Starting point is 00:43:45 would I me feel emotionally abandoned because I wouldn't get walked to the bathroom No, you would tell Justin to go to the other side of the universe so that he didn't hear you to. No, I would fart right next to him. Okay, you guys are there now? When did this happen? They just slip out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:09 Wow, this is great. I got a lot of gas. Yeah, he still pretends like he's never heard one, though. So he can live in denial, but I'm letting him rip. Yeah. It's fine. Silent? No, there's noise.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Mine are very unpredictable. They're oftentimes loud and deadly. We don't get the silent type. It's not fun for me. There is a couple other comments here, though. Someone does say the emergency was that she's trying to figure out if you'll show her you care to an irrational degree so that she can feel loved. I'll save you the suspense. People who have deep self-esteem issues never feel loved enough, no matter what you do.
Starting point is 00:44:51 Someone responds, yes. This is her version of Would you still love me if I was a worm? She sounds like an insufferable child. Not the asshole. People are commenting Major Red Flags O.P. Get out now.
Starting point is 00:45:09 Forget about this guy. Someone says what health issue requires him to accompany her to the restroom. Someone else, not the asshole. Are you sure? She's 21 and not two? Yeah. No, I think that like something like this,
Starting point is 00:45:22 and entering in such a big commitment like a marriage, I don't want to be that person that's just like jump ship. But at the same time, I think that... I don't think you guys are ready for a marriage right now, or at least she's not, because that's just, that's really, it's not a healthy way to an healthy expectation out of another person in general. Or even just the communication then after. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Yeah. Like you neglected a major health concern. Just say you felt unloved. Yeah. Emotionally abandoned. Exactly. Exactly. Say how you feel. Don't manipulate the situation into then, again, Boy Who Cried Wolf. Exactly. But let's get into marriage. And what happens when a marriage doesn't go well?
Starting point is 00:46:04 I wish we had an update. We have to go to the next one. Nothing. All right. But it's new. But that was... Odyssey just came out. Yeah. You know? He's very active in the comments. Maybe we'll see it. Okay. There's hope. Odyssey boy. Fart boy. Chime in. Yeah. Frat boy? Fart. Oh, fart boy. Take a shot every time Morgan says fart. People are going to be wasted. Okay, this next one is coming from R slash When Women Refuse.
Starting point is 00:46:32 It is titled, My Friend is Getting a Divorce, and Her Husband is pretending like he doesn't know what this means. So my friend Katie and her husband, Alex, were having a conversation about their cat. The cat is elderly and has health problems that are interfering with its life. They've taken it to the vet many times and tried different things. but nothing is working and the cat continues to have problems. During this conversation, Katie suggested that perhaps they need to think about putting the cat down. Well, Alex exploded. He started shouting at her and basically called her a horrible person and said a lot of other things and it came out in all of his shouting that he had been having an affair. He claimed it had been going on for a couple of
Starting point is 00:47:16 months, but Katie subsequently learned Alex had been cheating off and on with this woman for, all caps, 10 years. Wow. So, of course, she was like, you broke our marital vows, and you've been lying to me for ages. I cannot trust you. I want a divorce. And since the house is in my name, that means you must move out ASAP. So she gave him a deadline to move out. A few days later, Alex still had not moved out. And Katie returned home from work to find that he had purchased a tomato plant. Hmm. She was like, Alex, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:47:57 You are moving into an apartment. Why buy a plant? You aren't going to have a yard anymore. And he said, quote, I thought I could spend four days a week with a fair partner and three days with you. Oh. That's a great idea. Why did I think of that?
Starting point is 00:48:14 As if he didn't understand what a divorce is. was. What is happening? As if she would want joint custody of this line unfaithful piece of shit. Alex finally did move out and in with his affair partner, but left all of his stuff behind. He refused to come get it until Katie threatened to find the most expensive moving company in the Chicago metro area and have all of his stuff sent to his affair partners
Starting point is 00:48:43 and then send Alex the bill. He continues to call and text her and email her, begging her to take him back. He will not take no for an answer, and Katie is like, what part of, I want a divorce, do you not understand? She's trying to force the divorce through as quickly as she can, which is very quickly as they have no children or joint property. She found out about the affair in May, and the divorce is likely to be finalized before July is. is over with. And he still thinks if he begs her enough, she might take him back. He still acts like he can't understand why she's doing this. This grown-ass man acting like he doesn't understand that actions have consequences. I just want to know, like, I want to have like a screen up and
Starting point is 00:49:37 see what's going through his head. Yeah. Like, I just, because like, I'm like, is he that delusional? Like, is there some underlying mental health issue that he's dealing with that's like making him truly not understand what's going on? Or does, is he saying like if I just keep swimming, just keep swimming? Yeah. That like eventually, if I just pretend like it's not happening and then she's going to be like, oh, okay, it's not happening. Shook it over it. Yeah. I'm going to move that tomato plant in there. She's going to see I can garden really well. Yes. Yeah. And she's going to fall back in love with me. It's perfect. Perfect plan. That's great. Brilliant. And can we just talk about the fact that he wanted to split custody with his affair partner and his ex-wife?
Starting point is 00:50:19 Joint custody. What did he say here? How many days? I'll spend four days a week with a fair partner and three days with you. Why does she get four? Why did she get four? I was your actual wife. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:31 My not getting four. And she's getting three. Well, because you decided to leave me, honey. It's just... She gets one more. You guys could fight for the extra day. No, he would literally use that. He'd hear that.
Starting point is 00:50:42 and he'd be like, you're fighting over me? That's so sweet. You must still really love me. Yeah. Maybe we put a pause. Put a pin in the divorce. Yeah. You love me.
Starting point is 00:50:52 But still four days a week. Like, dude, don't you just want to go be with her? It's really interesting to me, people that have affairs. And it's like, okay, we're done. You're free. Go be with that person. And then they're like, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's why he had an affair for 10 years is because he wanted both.
Starting point is 00:51:09 10 years is he wanted both. that's the thing is like I think that like there's different types of affairs you know there's an exit affair where it's like the marriage really is not working out they all of a sudden find somebody else that's making them feel you know whatever and then they you know run off and to that partner but like an affair for 10 years like that's got to be they want them both they genuinely have your cake eat it too and honestly I mean you probably get to year three and you're like I've been getting away with it so far and then as the years goes on He becomes normalized.
Starting point is 00:51:42 Five. He doesn't even see anything wrong with it because it's been that ingrained in the way that he operates. Yeah. 10 years, a decade, it's a long time to like play two different roles. Exhausting. Yeah. I can't fathom it. I can't fathom the hurt that that would cause.
Starting point is 00:52:01 And like, I would never want to hurt someone like that. Like, I cannot fathom that level of disrespect. I don't think, I feel like, I mean, there's obviously people who. don't give a shit that it like hurts people. But I feel like some people just like they don't think of it as hurtful, you know? Yeah. And I could see some of this being maybe like weaponized incompetence where it's like, I don't know what the voices is.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Yeah, exactly. It's like just him trying to like play dumb so it doesn't happen. I mean, we see that with silly things about I don't know how to the, I don't know how to do the dishes. I don't know how to do laundry. And you just kind of slide by. I have someone in my life that is going through a divorce right now. And her ex is basically just like having these unrealistic demands of like, well, you owe me this.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And well, you got that when we were married. And so I should get half of that. And it's silly things like the value of their car and just like really unrealistic things. And so, wait, what do you mean the value of their car? Well, it's like you got this nice car while we were together. like, I don't get that car, so you should pay me for half of it. Like, diabolical, crazy things. And it's like, I don't want to get into the details too much.
Starting point is 00:53:19 So they're like, I don't want them identified. But they told me I can talk about it. I'll tell you offline. But this person is like asking for unrealistic things, asking for half of stock values that she's gotten, like crazy stuff. And he's moving in with his new girlfriend. And it's like, I kind of told her, I was like, just wait. I go, he's going to want to propose to her. She's going to want him to not be married anymore.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Just wait. I go, you don't have to bargain with the terrorist. Like, just wait it out. Yeah. Because he's going to be motivated eventually and he's going to want to sign. Yeah. And that's like kind of this. It's just like, let him play dumb.
Starting point is 00:54:02 Proceed as you can. Try to get the divorce. You know, whatever. But like, don't appease. He's him. See, stuff like this is like, I'm like, do I want to get married? You'll find the right person and you're like, yeah. No, I'm like, why can't we just symbolically get married?
Starting point is 00:54:20 Yeah. I'm like, I don't. Just have the party. Why do I have to have the legalities when like I hear stuff like this that I'm like, I feel like if I'm going through something super emotionally heightened, then the idea of having to like delegate all of these other finances and things like that and having them be like, I don't know. I feel like that just sounds so stressful.
Starting point is 00:54:41 That's also what pre-nups are for. Have everything very clearly defined. Your exit plan is in place. And not because you're predicting a divorce, but because the state already has an exit plan predetermined for you if you don't have a pre-nup. We do have some comments to get into. People just really like chiming in for support.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Someone says, quote, she broke up with me out of nowhere for no reason. I hate people like that. That statement is always a red flag. Absolutely no self-awareness or ability to do some self-reflecting. O.P responds, Katie has put the whole thing on public social media and telling everyone she knows, so all of their friends know exactly why they are getting a divorce.
Starting point is 00:55:21 And Alex can't pretend to be a victim. Poor Alex. I wish I saw this on my social media. If I was just clicking one day and seeing someone blast their partner. We have seen that. Who? One of your exes. Oh, God, he's always so problematic.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Next comment we've got here. Thank goodness he told her, but I am sad about the cat, letting our fur babies go when it's their time is hard but right. And O.P responds, Alex abandoned the cat. He has shown no interest in it since the affair came out, didn't take it with him, and refuses to contribute to the vet bills.
Starting point is 00:56:04 Hmm. So it wasn't really. about the cat. Yeah, Alex sounds really shitty. I just peaked at OPE's account. We don't have any updates. They are very active on Reddit, though. Very involved in kind of random and obscure subreddits,
Starting point is 00:56:22 like R slash medical gore. Not getting into that for us today. No, thank you. R slash Wikipedia. A lot of posts. They're very, very, very active. I'm going to be honest. I don't.
Starting point is 00:56:36 think if I have ever in my life seen this much karma on someone's account. Wow. So username is cat poot in my shoe, but going by the name Megan on here. And the bio is I run the Charlie project, look it up, and I post medical case reports, history, et cetera here. If you like my content and want to support it, join my Patreon or tip me. She has 4.8 million karma points. Wow. 64,000 different contributions. What? Eight year Reddit account.
Starting point is 00:57:14 A lot of awards. Again, I don't know if I've ever seen this many awards on an account. What does that mean? Like, what does that mean? So every time, like, you post something, if people upvote, you get a karma point. If people like a comment you posted and they click upvote, you get a karma point. So she has, again, almost 4.8 million. So everything that she posts, though, like, she's getting love for it.
Starting point is 00:57:36 Mm-hmm. Most of it. Yeah, no downloads. What is she posting that's, like, getting that much love? I mean, stuff like this, this post that I just read, 2.6K. So she's just, like, posting other people's business, too. Because I'm like, for someone to have that much, I'm like, are you, like, is it your life story? And you're just, like, giving updates and it's always that crazy. I'm going to be honest, this seems like her job. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:57 So looking at the Charlie Project, I have actually heard about the Charlie Project, thanks to the True Crime Work and stuff I've been working on. the Charlie Project profiles over 17,000 cold cases, missing people mainly from the United States. It doesn't actively investigate. It is merely a publicity vehicle for missing people who are often neglected by the press and forgotten all too soon. And, I mean, she's saying that she runs it.
Starting point is 00:58:21 This is a full-time job. So she's posting these updates on Reddit. She's probably getting karma from that. So really, really cool O.P. I'm really, I'm happy we came across her. I'm very curious. This is going to be like a little deep dive I do. on Patreon. I'm going to go through some of her post.
Starting point is 00:58:35 I just love how, like, you guys were so unfazed by, like, this username. Like, it was just like... Yeah. Yeah. That's the usual. It's really interesting. She also does a Patreon, Charlie Project Patreon and does a missing person of the week, which is what I started doing over on Clues as well. So it's just, it's really... She's doing a lot of amazing, amazing work. So I'm definitely going to do a little deep dive on her account. And some other threads she's posting. I know I'm, I'm overdue for a true crime episode on this show.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And I really want to do highlight some cold cases that are maybe close to being solved because there are a lot of them. And Reddit has solved cold cases from the internet sleuth, the internet detectives. So I'm going to put that on our radar. But moving along to this next one. Okay. Lauren, I really loved that intro you did for our friend. Why don't, why don't you introduce who's here now? Can we just keep the one that I did? I felt like it was really natural and beautiful. DC's in the host. Here we go, guys. This has been a big request from all of you out there.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I think since we started really talking about direct caterpillar, and then we did the theme that was literally all direct caterpillar stories. And I think ever since then, everyone has been like, get direct caterpillar on. And guess what? We got him. We have Matt joining us today. Glad to be here. I'm so excited.
Starting point is 01:00:09 How long have you been on Reddit? Because the direct Caterpillar account is four years old now. But like how long have you been on Reddit and kind of doing this? Ironically, I was on Reddit years prior. I had an account. Didn't really do anything with it. But this account is really the account that I have done everything with. It is so crazy.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Four years. Yeah. And three years with the sub. It's amazing. Like looking at your account, so you have 5,778,086 karma, 6,794 contributions, 59 different achievements, 11 trophies. I mean, you are, you're decorated. You've got the credentials. Ah.
Starting point is 01:01:03 It's built up. But I always look for the weird stories, the ones that are just a little bit different. Because you get tired of just the same old, I mean, how many times can you do a cheating story or an open marriage story? I'm with you. I completely agree. That's why I love just going to your account. I like you always find the best ones. Did you know, sorry.
Starting point is 01:01:31 You go ahead. Oh, I was just curious. did you know two hot takes at all or was, I mean, I'm just so curious, like, how did Morgan reach out to you? Like, did you already know who two hot takes were or? Yeah, what did you think when I messaged you? First, I knew of you subverted prior because I did get a lot of stories from yourself. Yeah. It's a very good self.
Starting point is 01:01:57 The day you reached out was probably the weirdest message I ever received. and I received some weird messages. Oh, man. I love how this is described. It took me a second to kind of figure out, okay. You're like, wait, you want to make an entire theme about me? It was a little bit weird, and we had a little bit of a chuckle going, you know, behind the scenes. But, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Oh, my God. That's so funny. I'm literally crying. I was hoping you were going to be like, Morgan's my hero. I was so excited. No. Absolutely not. Oh my God. That's so great. I'm tearing up. This is so funny. The other question I had, and Bailey too, especially, because like Bailey's been finding Reddit stories now for years. And we're so curious about the karma. And like, what do you do with the karma? Can you cash it out? You don't do anything with it. It's worth nothing. What?
Starting point is 01:03:02 You can't do anything with it. You literally have been doing this for four years, just for fun. Just for the love of the game, really. Love of the game. Oh, my God. I actually enjoy just trying to find the hard to find ones, the ones that you can't really find anywhere. It's almost for you. Does it feel like you're like metal detecting or rock collecting?
Starting point is 01:03:24 It's like a puzzle-solving thing. Yeah, that is so cool. Because I found a great post and then, I come across an update and it's like gone. So it can take months just to find it. Wow. That's amazing. What was that site that you used to use?
Starting point is 01:03:41 The way back. Yeah, the way back machine. Yeah. And that doesn't exist anymore? Oh, no. I still use that. I haven't thought 18 sources to find posts. And it's just going from one to another.
Starting point is 01:03:55 I just had one. I found a post and an update 12 years old. and it was great. I can't remember where the hell it was. You'll find it. You'll get it back. I'm trying to find it again. I'm going to the same source.
Starting point is 01:04:09 I've been going for like days. Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, this first one I'm going to read for you is one you found a couple of years ago and it's coming from Best of No Updates, which is my favorite sub that you basically run. And I know a lot of people listening are like, no, give me an update.
Starting point is 01:04:28 We'll get there, guys. Don't worry. But this one I'm hoping maybe we'll get it out there for you, and then they'll come back and give you an update. So this one is coming from Am I the Asshole, titled Am I the Asshole for Making Our Guest Participate in Our Puppet-themed Wedding? My fiancé, 26 female, and I, 27 male, met at college. We were in our school's performing arts program and met in a puppetry class. In the class, we designed our own puppets. Mine, named Hatboy, and my fiancée. Daisy, she's better with names, were what we initially used to talk to each other and then flirt in class. We fell in love, and in a way we've considered Hat Boy and Daisy in love as well. Years after graduating, we still use Hat Boy and Daisy both at home and at our local, but fairly prominent theater where we perform puppet shows with high-end Muppet-style puppets. While planning our wedding, we realized we wanted Hatboy and Daisy to be a part of the ceremony. They've been with us since the beginning, and it just felt right. We also invited our entire troop of puppeteers
Starting point is 01:05:39 from the theater and got the idea that we should have our wedding completely officiated by puppets, and that our wedding parties would be made up of puppets with our closest puppeteer friends. We figure it'll make for incredible pictures. Here's where we aren't sure. We're not sure. We're if we're the assholes or not. We are insisting that all of our guests also participate and use puppets. In lieu of gifts, we've asked everyone to purchase high quality, but not nearly the quality of professional puppets, to have for puppets to use during our wedding. We took the guesswork out of it and directed them to several vendors, some of who offer some really cool options. Everyone could realistically expect to spend $150 to $500, depending on what sort of details and whatnot that they
Starting point is 01:06:34 wanted. Lost me. We also want everyone to wear their puppets during the entire wedding and reception. All the puppets we're suggesting can be mounted on and controlled with one hand. The puppets are meant to be guests at the wedding in the same way all of our human guests are there as well. Well, let's just say there are a lot of people not happy. Both of our parents, my wife's sister, and my family members on both sides have complained that this is completely unreasonable. They're concerned about how much they're going to be able to eat and drink. How are they going to dance? You don't need hands to dance, so I don't know where that complaint came from. We, of course, don't expect people to have their puppet on their hand while in the bathroom.
Starting point is 01:07:22 but everywhere else, we'd really like to insist on it. We also made sure that our hors d'oeuvres are all finger food. There will be plenty of cocktail tables so people can put their drink down. We even made sure that all of the food for the dinner itself is portioned so that it can be eaten in bite sizes just with a fork without having to use a knife. You guys are so weird. We really think this would make for a special day. We only get to do it once and think it will be an event that all of our guests will remember for a lifetime. We have a hard time believing that once there, they wouldn't have a blast.
Starting point is 01:08:04 So Reddit, are we the asshole for making what we think is a silly but harmless and reasonable request for our one special day? Thanks for reading. This was a find. What are your thoughts on this, Matt? I actually love it because it's like an Avenue Q. wedding. You know, I mean... What is Avenue Q? Wow. You don't remember that?
Starting point is 01:08:28 I'm looking it up. I actually have an uncle who is a professional puppeteer. His name's Steve. And so he has a lot of these puppets. And I'm going to have to reach out and be like, were you involved in Avenue Q? But yeah, it is looking at pictures of Avenue Q, it is kind of giving that vibe for sure. How I just imagine this wedding being, like the most weirdest wedding ever. I agree. I'm curious, when you say that you like this, like, do you like the idea of it as in it would be fun to have a puppet wedding? Because, like, I agree.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Like, that's kind of a vibe. Well, I like the idea of participating, but not having a Muppet themed wedding. Yeah. Yeah, it wouldn't be your choice for a wedding theme. No. So I agree. I think it would, it honestly would be hilarious. And if that's really important to them, it'd be, it'd be great. But my problem is with weddings is like when people start to get too controlling of other people wanting them to do or be or purchase certain things. Like I, you know, when you have a wedding, I think really it should be about having people just gather together. And so when it gets kind of to that point where, you know, Yeah, and that's the thing too, is like 150 to 500. That's, that's insane. Like, I mean, especially for like each one of your guests, like to expect that from something that they're not going to use again likely for most of them probably don't have the same type of affinity for this topic. And the other thing, too, I was talking about with somebody is that when people buy people wedding gifts, it's like, even though they're still giving the gift to somebody else, it's like they
Starting point is 01:10:19 like to be able to pick out what they're spending their money to give somebody else. Like, that's something that I've heard a lot of people kind of complain about. I totally understand, like, having a honeymoon fund, that's something that I would put up on there too for a wedding. But like, I've heard people be like, that's all they did. And I really wanted to get them like something, you know, and they said no gifts. And I had this idea that I wanted for them. And so it's like people do like to give gifts in a way that's from their heart. So that's where I have a problem with this. And then just the like wearing it the entire time, that's too controlling. But like the concept itself is fun if they provided the puppets and if they said they could take them off when
Starting point is 01:10:59 they want to. Yeah. I mean, that's what makes it, you know, just a little bit too much. Exactly. Too much is just perfect. And I do agree. Like some people don't even gift a hundred and fifty dollars to someone. And when the puppets are starting at that price, it's a little steep. I did peek at eBay. And I'm like, I wonder what eBay has for puppets. You can get some pretty decent puppets on eBay for $16.50, $8. So I think if you didn't set that, you need to go to these vendors, I think it could go over, it could go over well. Yeah. But the question I'm not wondering is, What happens to the puppets after the wedding? That's a good question.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Do you get to keep them? Yeah, because they did say, like, in lieu of wedding gifts, we want them to buy these puppets. So that is a really good question of, like, is the couple then keeping all of these? Because, like, for me, like, I don't even know if I'd want a puppet in my house. No.
Starting point is 01:12:08 I'd be too afraid to come alive at night. I know. I know. Looking at eBay, there's, actual ventriloquist dolls? No. No, thank you. I saw that one movie
Starting point is 01:12:20 where the guy was killed and he was actually used as a ventriloquist. Oh, God. Did anyone see that movie? No. Yes, I did. Thank you, Matt. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:12:28 I love that movie. What is it called? Oh, um, oh, it's going to speak sign. Oh. Oh. I know I can picture the actor. That way, the dead silence.
Starting point is 01:12:43 Dead silence, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, that movie was crazy. Crazy. It was creepy. It really was. So top comment on the original post, you're the asshole. You're not like bad people, but Jesus Christ, I'd never want to associate with you all ever again.
Starting point is 01:13:03 I'm exhausted and infuriated reading this, your quirky nonsense is going to keep people away. Would you, yeah, would you go? Yeah, yeah. Which you just buy the cheapest puppet? Yeah. Matt, you said you're down for it. All I'm down for it is the same. I just go.
Starting point is 01:13:21 I would also, I would obviously complain about it to the rest of the guests. Like, how crazy is this? But then I'd be like, this is hilarious and iconic. There's some things in life that you just do for the plot. Exactly. I just feel like I just would. But like I also, I think sometimes too for people when they're going to a wedding, like you don't really know what's going on in their lives at that time.
Starting point is 01:13:42 and if they're traveling and booking like the hotels and everything that they're doing, maybe they're bringing their kids, finding babysitters. It just feels like another thing to like ask of everyone to have to have this like handcrafted, like specific. It just feels like kind of, it does feel like it's asking for a bit much. There's a comment here on Matt's post on Best of No Updates where someone says would be the easiest RSVP no out of any wedding invite I've ever gotten. I'm like, I think people need to be a little more open-minded.
Starting point is 01:14:16 It could be fun. Oh, it definitely fun. I'd be out there having conversations through the Muppet. Yeah. I mean, you have to go all out on this thing. Oh, yeah. The Muppet needs a drink as well. Like, oh, two, two, one for me and one for this guy here.
Starting point is 01:14:34 You know? I just, like, love how much Matt loves this. And it's, I, like, just like a recap. cap on my favorite moments of Matt so far is Morgan messaging him weird puppet wedding not weird oh man it's great okay well let's get into the second story also again from direct caterpillar on best of reddeter updates originally posted to r slash legal advice and this one is titled last month a friend began to cross a flooded river in his car with me in it. I jumped out. Now I have a letter from his lawyer asking for damages.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Early in November, we went to pick up car parts after work that my friend, who I'll call Aaron, because his name's Aaron, and I think he's being an idiot, had bought on eBay. We had to go through some backroads to get to the property and pick it up, and all was well. It had been raining for a part of the day, but really picked up when we were loading the parts. And we got to a causeway, that we'd passed only an hour before, but it was now covered in what looked like half a meter of water, and we stopped. I'd been navigating and knew that we could back up and take another much longer route, even though the highway was just a bit on the other side of this causeway.
Starting point is 01:16:00 There was no way I'd go through the water as it looked, but because I'd been caught on a causeway 20 years ago in less water and had my car pushed off into the river, I didn't want to risk it. I didn't lose that car, but it's one of the scariest moments of my life. I said we had to turn back and could take a different road 10 kilometers around, but that would take us via a bridge on the same river. Aaron decided to push on and started moving, and I panicked and I got straight out of the car. It was far more water than I'd had to go through when I nearly lost my car and life previously.
Starting point is 01:16:41 I got out well before the water, though, so I didn't let water in the car, by the way. Aaron didn't even get halfway across, and the water pushed his car off the side, rolled it completely over, and it ended upright on the bank 50 meters downstream. Wow. He was extremely lucky not to drown. And I ran down and helped him out. Immediately, he was aggressive and combative because he said, with my weight in the car, he'd have made it across. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:17:16 Admittedly, I'm 130 kilograms, but his car is a 1,750-kilogram Commodore Wagon with a couple hundred kilograms of eBay parts in the back. So it's not like I would have made much of a difference. That's so frustrating. We phoned for help and the river went down within an hour and made it across the causeway by foot. We haven't spoken since, and he's a me in places we usually go. But on Friday, I received a letter from a lawyer that I know is real in our town, but it sounds like it was written by my friend. It's asking for 50,000 for the car and personal damages, because I made the car unsafe by getting out. This guy's an idiot. It was a 1997 Commodore, maybe worth $1,500 on a good day. Someone reassure me that it
Starting point is 01:18:10 it's not up to me to sit in someone's car when they're doing something dumb. No, you're very correct. So there's that. Oh, my God. What did you think when you found this one? I thought that the friend was an idiot. I'd agree with you. genuinely. I don't think it would help either, right? Like, there's no way. Water is just going to push your car. It doesn't matter how. How much weight you have in it, it's just going to move. Yeah. No, that's so scary. And like, imagine it rolled and like, you're not able to get out. Like, does he have a window breaker in his car? I do. I do have one of those little, like, window breakers for emergency. Everyone, everyone should have one. I do too. I got, I was getting like slammed with ads nonstop on
Starting point is 01:19:03 TikTok. And I was like, all right, guys. They convinced you. Like, bought like five. They convinced you. So Matt put some relevant comments here. Someone says, so what I gather from this, friend wants to cross river washed road. You say it's a bad idea. He says, nah, mate, I'm doing it. You get out at fear for your own safety. Friend drives in and car washes away. Your friend blames you because 130 kilograms could have saved it. Yeah, that sounds like a crock of shit. I don't think you are liable for shit. However, I would consult an attorney for legal advice. pertaining to this situation. You were in imminent danger and acted on it by ensuring your own safety. There's nothing wrong with that. However, do not repost responses here and show him what people say to you. You could be liable for reasons or even be incriminated. Wait, for what reasons? They don't say. That's what they say. You could be liable for reasons. What? Unknown to me? I have no clue.
Starting point is 01:20:06 I also, what do you guys think about this? Because, like, I feel very positive that the friend wrote this and then put the name of the lawyer on the letter. Because it just doesn't sound like this is something that a lawyer would write. Yeah. And also because he said it sounded like his friend's writing so that even more so. So it's like he could literally counter sue his friend because that's like that's very illegal to do that to use. The lawyer could sue him for misrepresenting. as the lawyer. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I guess for me, I'd almost want to reach out to that lawyer and be like, hey, I got this letter from you. Is this, is this real? It's extremely illegal to do that. And even if it's not the, like, an actual name of a lawyer to do like a fake lawyer and put on and send a letter, that's also very illegal. So your friend's a moron. And then the other thing too is I don't, I think it's a safety hazard.
Starting point is 01:21:06 be friends with people that are that stupid. So I would agree with that. I would agree. So probably cut that one off. So Opie does respond to a few comments, basically responding to the one I read to and just saying, yep, that's what happened. I got carried away in a moment of salivating over internet justice. I won't say anything to him about this post. And then someone says, your, parentheses, probably X friend, is an idiot. Hasn't he seen the, if it's flooded, forget it, adverts, the blood police put out every time there's a decent amount of rain? And I haven't.
Starting point is 01:21:47 I really, like, I can't even imagine, like, seeing this flooded over riverway and, like, convincing myself to drive through it. Like, can you even, would you even, like, how much, how. No, trust me, I've seen idiots. try to drive through that stuff. And it's amazing how many get stuck. It's not worth it. No.
Starting point is 01:22:08 Mm-mm. Yeah, because you're on the East Coast, right? Yeah. Or, okay, at least four seasons. We've had some flash floods that, you know, will cause that. And I've seen it. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:20 I don't like, we don't have many causeways in, like, L.A. or Minnesota. Like, I feel like it feels like a Florida thing, too, like kind of down in the south. I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. I'm Googling what a causeway is. I need pictures. I don't know. I didn't want to say it after I'm like
Starting point is 01:22:40 dishing on this guy being in moron. And then I'm like, what's a causeway? It's a big word. So it looks like this. It's basically a road in between like bodies of water. Yeah. And then obviously if it floods, then it's like, I didn't know.
Starting point is 01:22:57 That's what those were called. Yeah. So then you're like, you're just, that's nuts. That makes it even crazy. Yeah. Well, and this sounds like it was the middle of nowhere, you guys. Like, these are back roads. Like, that's a nice causeway with, like, pavement. This doesn't sound like that. And when I was living in Palm Springs, we did have, like, um, kind of, I guess, like riverbeds. Like, you would drive through the road, but there would be like old dried up riverbeds on either side. And when it would downpour there,
Starting point is 01:23:28 those would flood up finally. But like, I never would have driven. through it. Like, they actually closed them there. So this is crazy to me. But let's get into the update and see how this all turns out. So update. I went to a lawyer my parents had used a few years ago and that they recommended. She took one look at that letter from my friend Aaron's lawyers, and she said she has concerns about it and that she would respond. She contacted his lawyer, and my lawyer mailed me to tell me Aaron's lawyers aren't his lawyers at all. Whoa. Shocker. But to contact her, if I heard more, otherwise, no need for any more action. Aaron had apparently faked up the letter and admitted as much to me yesterday when he finally decided
Starting point is 01:24:15 to talk to me. He wants me to retract my complaint to his lawyers about him using their letterhead. I hadn't complained to them myself, so I did the time-honored thing and told him to go pound sand. but it might have rhymed with go eat a bag of dicks. So it sounds like that lawyer did reach out to him to be like, hey, buddy, not good, not okay. He should tell him to go drive over another flooded causeway. Lord. I'm kidding. Bad.
Starting point is 01:24:51 I mean, he said eat a bag of dicks. I just thought this one would be a little more whatever. Anyway. He already lost one Commodore. Yeah, no, I don't actually, not actually recommending it, just, you know, play on words, I guess. This is a satisfying update, though. I appreciate you finding this because this is a very, very satisfying update. Yeah, how long does it take you to find it? You said sometimes it takes months. I've had one that took maybe two years to find.
Starting point is 01:25:23 Oh, my gosh. Do you remember what story it was? Yeah, it was, uh, it was a woman. wrote in that her boyfriend only wears one shirt. The beef. Where's the beef? I read Where's the beef? It could be two years to find that one. I heard about it.
Starting point is 01:25:42 I said, I got to read this. Wait, I don't think I had an update when I read it. There is no update. I looked, but it took two years to find the original. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I just read that on my episode with the basement yard, guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they loved it.
Starting point is 01:26:01 You guys, give me a spark notes. I want to know what it is. Matt, you want to do it? Yeah, there's this woman goes to relationships and she wants to know if something's weird. How every date she's gone on with her boyfriend, he wears the same exact shirt. Where's the beef from Wendy's?
Starting point is 01:26:20 So it gets better when she goes to his place and she asks about it. He's got about, what was it, 20 shirts of the same shirt? He's the cartoon character. And she wanted to know, is this like real? Is this normal? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:38 Everybody says no. Everyone's like, no. It's a little off. I really wish we had an update on that. I really wish. I know. I don't know if I ever made a social video for it. I'll make a social video.
Starting point is 01:26:49 Maybe again, she's out there. But I did end up ordering some wears the beef shirts and I gifted it to the guys. Oh, that's awesome. So it was really good. That's such a good one. But I just have to say thank you because you make my life, my job, so much easier. I also messaged Matt a couple weeks ago now. And I was like, hey, do you remember this story? It was kind of like this, this, this. And you responded back so quick. And you're like, I'm on it. Like, let me see. Within 20 minutes, he sent me the post. And I'm like, you're just, you're so good. And I appreciate you so much. So thank you for coming on and helping us tackle these stories. Thank you for having me on. I really enjoyed this. I know.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Maybe round two. We'll give you a full episode. Yeah. Let's go for it. Okay, good. This is a good test run to make sure you liked it. So I'm really glad you feel good because this was so fun for us. I know.
Starting point is 01:27:48 I'm really... A little baby steps. I was going to ask, because I know that you were like a little bit nervous about this. How does it feel taking it from the keyboard to the mic? I'm honestly, I'm not as nervous as when it started. I know it's not that bad. It's a little bit better. You know, I know maybe next time I might be a little bit better because this was the first time I've ever done anything like this.
Starting point is 01:28:11 First rodeo, yeah. And you did great. You did great. And natural. Thank you. Yeah. I really enjoyed it and everybody was really great on us. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:28:19 Yay. Thank you. Okay, guys. Did we lose him? Matt, are you still there? Okay. I was like, damn. I know the screen.
Starting point is 01:28:31 And blocked. No, but you did so good. This is coming from our very own Too Out Takes subreddit. Hey. Hey, family. Hey, guys. It is titled, advice needed. Should I give back the office of my coworker that came back from maternity leave?
Starting point is 01:28:50 Probably. Hi, I'm a longtime listener of Two Out Takes. Love the podcast. Hope to have some of y'all's help. Thank you. So I, 23 female, Chloe, am a new grad, and I've been working in an accounting firm for one year, my first job as a newer grad. And I took the office of my 30 female co-worker, let's call her Julia, that was on maternity leave. Back in 2025, I was at the end of my school year and was dropping off some resumes. By chance, Julia was due to go on maternity leave in late July 2025. So I started in late June. I was following Julia and everywhere. She showed me everything. When it was time for her to leave, I took her office, making it my first office. Months passed by, and I decided to decorate it. I brought some plants. I put up my diplomas, put up a huge mirror, LED lights under the cabinet. I painted all
Starting point is 01:29:45 of the walls, because it was a bit overdue. Wait, what? All with the approval of my two bosses, Mike and George. It was now my office. Now, the problem is that Julia's back. One of my bosses, Mike, assured me that I would stay in my office, that office, and that Julia knew that she had to take another office because she left. He repeated this message to her multiple times, even months before she returned. He made it very clear that whoever left their office would lose it. The first day back, Julia came into my office and said,
Starting point is 01:30:25 oh wow, I'm going to come and get ready in my ex-office every day with this nice mirror you have in my old office. And, ah, I miss my office, oops, I mean my old office, with this arrogant tone. She seems to think she's better than everyone else because she had a higher position in another country and is now a bit lower here in Canada. She always has something to say and wants to be liked by everyone, especially the bosses. Julia's been complaining to George, the other boss, about her new office. The other office has smaller windows, but is still very big, and is more secluded with a little hallway and is more cramped, but in a way that you still have a lot of space. It's a bit weird, but has charm.
Starting point is 01:31:12 George says the person with the most years at the company gets priority, which is Julia. Mike shared everything with me today and wants us to find a solution. I understand she just wants her old office back. On one hand, I want to give it to her since she's returned, but I know she'll constantly remind me if I do in an arrogant way. On the other hand, I'd love to keep it, but I'd be very uncomfortable working next to her. I don't want to leave my office that I literally rebuilt and upgraded for my comfort
Starting point is 01:31:45 just so she can benefit from it. I also thought of just taking everything and transferring it to the other office myself, I want to be the bigger person and not fight over a silly thing like a workspace. However, I would have been more receptive if Julie had come to me directly and asked or told me nicely that she was uncomfortable in her new office. I find it disrespectful that she went behind my back. Honestly, I don't want to work there anymore because of the environment she brings. I feel undervalued and not taken seriously.
Starting point is 01:32:17 I don't know if I'm overreacting, but I'm torn. What should I do? Give her office back or keep it. Thank you, Chloe. Edit to add, Julia knew she would not have her office back from the day she left. Like I can't, like, as a, like, recent grad, my job as a corporate woman was to, not this. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:32:45 Just not this. It's just like, maybe just not rock the boat so much. Yeah. It's like, it's, and I would have, like, I just can't even, especially like, I mean, I guess if they said, hey, when you leave, like, you won't get your office back. Like, I guess if they made it clear and she agreed to that, that does change the whole story. But I also think, like, I don't know, like, even, like, in the job I work now, like, people are very particular about their offices. It's not like you can just take somebody's office who's on maternity leave and then, like, make it into your own little home and paint the walls and, like, grow bushes in there.
Starting point is 01:33:14 Blaches. Lauren, they're beautiful plants. Whatever. But, like, and then just be like, oh, sorry, sucks to suck. And I do think that, you know, she mentioned like, oh, she might, she thinks she's better than us. I guess I don't know her attitude. And I know maybe it's like, maybe it's pretty rough that can happen. And that's unfortunate.
Starting point is 01:33:30 She could be miserable. Yeah, she could be like, she could be like, she could be pretty rough. But I do think that there's a hierarchy and it doesn't seem to be like that it's like computing to you at all that like there's when somebody puts in the amount of work that they do in a corporate job and climb the corporate ladder. it's like you would hope that there is the, you know, if you have a baby and you come back, like you'd hope that there's some respect for all of the work that you've put in versus somebody who's just starting off. Like, because again, like when I was fresh out of college and in my corporate job, like, my job was to respect the people who were coaching me and teaching me and giving me a job there
Starting point is 01:34:11 and like helping me learn how I can be like a good employee. Exactly. And so I think that like, I don't know, unless this is like missing like a bunch of like, like a contact. Yeah, a lot more context than it feels like you didn't have to paint the spot. Like you decided to paint the spot. Like you put in the effort to do that. And that wasn't like a required thing that you had to do and now you have to give it up. And honestly, even if it was like, if I was 22 like read at a college and my boss was like paint my office, I'd be like, say no more. Who's buying that paint? No, I would. I would. You would? I would. Yeah. I would. I was so bright eye, bushy tail, ready to work, ready to impress, like ready to please them. And like, I don't know, like maybe that's not the thing anymore. No, I. But it was when I was. And honestly, like, I'm looking at O.P. And I'm like, I am very, I'm very impressed by your ability to stand your ground and like kind of steadfast in your beliefs. because if this were me back when I was 23, honestly, maybe today at 32, like I wouldn't be
Starting point is 01:35:20 able to rock the boat and I would have people pleased my way back down the hallway to the tiny office. You know, and like maybe I'm just... And maybe that's wrong. I don't know. And maybe my reaction is off of jealousy that I didn't have that type of way of advocating for myself whenever I was young. You bring up a lot of really interesting points though. Yeah. And I think one of them is the fact that maternity leave.
Starting point is 01:35:44 right? This wasn't she quit. It feels like discrimination. In a way it does. Like it just feels it actually weird to me. It does and it does feel almost like an HR problem that like HR could get involved because I think like obviously pregnancy, maternity leave, like you're in a different protected class, not an HR expert. I know we got him out there. Hop in the comments. But this was a planned break. It's not she quit. It is a plan. And maternity leave. She's not doing this break for fun. She's pushing out a baby, taking time to bond with baby.
Starting point is 01:36:21 Like, again, like, there's this expectation. She's coming back. So why even, you know, why even put this effort in the office? Why paint the walls? Why bring the plants? If you have it, like, she's coming back. And I get the boss was like, like, Julie, Julia knew that the day she left, she wouldn't have her office back. And that's the part that is tripping me up because if that was something that was reiterated to me, even as a young person, because again, it sounds like that's the hierarchy.
Starting point is 01:36:51 Yeah. That's Julia's boss, right? Yeah. Who said that. So, like, that's a company owner. Right. So that does, like, that would be confusing. And then, like, when you're being told that, then, like, you're like, wait, no, I deserve that.
Starting point is 01:37:03 So I do, I do see where OPE is coming from. Because at the same time, like, if you're like a junior employee, like, you're new grad. first job, Julia has years of experience. She's probably more involved. Like, you're an associate. She's a partner. She painted the, she painted it. So she deserves it.
Starting point is 01:37:23 Someone reimbursed O.P. I love you, O.P. Yeah. This is tough sisterly love right now. Yes. We love you. But, like, truly, it's just like, do not rock the boat. Like, Julia could actually be one of your biggest allies as a woman in this field with you.
Starting point is 01:37:39 This could be your mentor. Yeah. You're a new grad. this is a part of the process of putting in your dues. Yeah. And this is any job, whether it's lawyer,
Starting point is 01:37:49 O.T. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, does it feel shitty that you painted? Yes, but you didn't have to do that knowing Julia was coming back on a maternity leave. I get you're getting very mixed signals
Starting point is 01:38:00 from the two owners. Right, which is confusing. One is saying Julia's a priority. She wants her office back and should get her office back. One is saying, no, you keep it. It's your office. Love you, girl.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Well, it's mixed signals. Obviously, everyone needs to come to terms with this. If this were me, how I would proceed going forward, I'd give her the office back, let me go tuck back in my little corner where I can maybe put on a reality show during lunch or midday, have my snack cooler, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'd say, hey, you know, if you bought the paint with your own money, hey, can you reimburse me for the paint then? And yeah, take your mirror, take your plants, take all the other shit you put in there.
Starting point is 01:38:39 Definitely. Because on the flip side, that's still your. stuff. I do want to say like on the flip side. Scrape the paint off. Oh yeah. I'm with you. Actually, I am so, so petty that I would repaint it back to the color was. It wouldn't be a cute color that I picked. It'd go back to millennial gray. But I will also say, I could see a side of this that Julia also knew she wasn't going to get the desk back, but then came in and saw all these nice modifications and is like, I love what you did with the place.
Starting point is 01:39:09 I'm going to try to get this back now. I don't think so because I mean, maybe this is just a me thing. Okay. But like, I would not care about the paint. And that's the reality. She's not going to keep all of the plants. I mean, I don't. I feel like O.P. was like, I kind of just want to move everything over.
Starting point is 01:39:27 Almost like O.P. was going to leave the mirror and the plants. No. Do you not leave your stuff there. Obviously bring your stuff. Leave that thing an empty shell. Yeah. I mean, that's your stuff. You're going to bring that.
Starting point is 01:39:37 But, like, yeah, I don't. So that's what makes me think, I think she just wanted the office. I think she just likes the office. Clearly a hot commodity. Better view, not down a cramped hallway. I mean, O.P. was like trying to make the other one sound nice. Otherwise, O.P. would have went to the other office that wasn't occupied, you know. This office is giving Prime Central where everyone says, hi.
Starting point is 01:39:59 The fact that she went on maternity leave and she, like, jumped to it, it's like, yeah, it sounds like it is an office that is better. Yeah. And I just think at the end of the day, like, that is something that, you know, you. You do have to, you have to pay your dues a little bit when you're in the corporate world. Like you really, you got to grind it out. And like, this is to be expected as new grad. Like you're saying new grad first job, like you said it multiple times. This is like, it does come with a little of the territory.
Starting point is 01:40:23 And hey, if you feel you're undervalued and you can get a better job with maybe more pay, do it then. Like that could be a fun. Go to the next ship. Or maybe the problem with the job is that you're getting two different things that are making, making you feel uncomfortable. Like you have two different owners that are saying opposite things and it's making it so that like the company is not a well-oiled machine. Yeah. Well, it's like who do you listen to that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:47 You want the consistency because otherwise it doesn't feel good naturally. So I think if that's, if you want to find another job where like the leadership is more aligned and that would be better for your. Yeah. What is it called? I'm like trying to think of like your constitution. Pledge allegiance to the flag. No, no. No.
Starting point is 01:41:08 No. Have you never heard, like, your personal constitution? Probably, but I was looking for the code you live by. Okay. What makes you feel good? Okay, I'll keep using that one. I pledge allegiance. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:23 So let's get into some comments, though. See what everyone else is feeling out. Because, again, this is just your two big sisters. So top comment, feeling narwhal, 9161. I'm siding with. Julia on this one. It's messed up that she would lose her office for going on maternity leave. That being said, you definitely take all of your things and decorations with you. She gets the space, not your stuff. Next comment down. And actually losing her office because she went on maternity leave
Starting point is 01:41:57 would be misogynistic as hell and possibly illegal. Next one down, yeah, definitely sounds like this company has opened themselves up to a lawsuit for discrimination. And someone responds, that's stupid. No company would put anyone's needs over leaving an unoccupied space just because they are lucky the offices even exist. Keep that and they'll find a new meeting room and both of them work in a cubie. That got down voted three times. Someone goes, I just love when people disagree to a pretty reasonable comment and begin it by saying that's stupid. Essentially being like, you should have that to yourself.
Starting point is 01:42:32 Yeah, essentially. But I do think there's a lot to be said there where like it does feel a little discriminatory, like kind of like it was a attorney leave. It wasn't she quit. I guess it depends on how the office is set up because if they didn't have assigned offices and that's just kind of like where she took place. But then you have this girl who completely decorated. So clearly like I do want to just make a comment though like again if you want to
Starting point is 01:42:56 handle this maturely, I would go to the bosses and be like hey like I feel like I'm getting mixed signals from you two who are kind of supposed to be in charge of this because people are being like, they're potentially opening themselves up to a lawsuit. Like there are these two guys who are in this power position being like to these two women, one of which coming back from maternity leave being like, hey, you sort it between you girls. And it's like, no, this is your company. Quit sending mixed signals and let's just, let's sort it. Pay me back for the paint. Upgrade my office. Go hire a painter. So I don't have to do it. Probably not during her work time. Probably after hours, again, free labor, free paint. Reimburse me for that and then hire a painter
Starting point is 01:43:38 so I can have a nice space because you're kicking me out of mine after kicking Julie out of it and then sending us both mixed signals. Maybe it's their first day on earth. These two little bosses, it's their first day. Get it together, guys. There's a lot of people that also just don't know what is legal and not when they run a business. And whenever I was working at a company where I would sign up payroll for people in small businesses. It was like a, that was always so astonishing to me. And I was, I was, I was, complicated and like, yeah. But I was young and I was like signing up payroll for like these older men. And, and I'm telling them like, what they're doing is illegal. And if somebody ever sued them, like, slippery slope. There is one last comment I'll get into because OP does
Starting point is 01:44:27 respond to it. It's the only comment that OP responds to. And it's not even from the two. out takes subreddit. So OPE did post this as well on R slash advice. And again, same title, same body of the post, it appears. And so someone says, quote, I took her office. You shouldn't have done that. She trained you and showed you around. And then you took her office knowing it was hers and that she'd be back. The bosses should have assigned you an empty office. And now you're making it weird and uncomfortable. Quote, I find it disrespectful that she went behind my back. That's ironic. It's just an office. So move into the other one and let the one who has seniority have her office back.
Starting point is 01:45:08 What happens if you take a day off? Will she just move your stuff out and move her own stuff back in? O.P. responds, yes, she did when I have my day off. She comes in the office and uses everything. And I wasn't even sure if she was coming back at all from her leave. I will say the leave started again. We're July, 26. She's just coming back. This post is only seven days old, week old. Her leave was almost a year. Oh.
Starting point is 01:45:37 So don't know if this is the United States. There is no mention of what country this is coming from. Some countries, their standard maternity leave is one year. The U.S. does not have a standardized maternity leave. It could be six weeks. It could be three months. It could be six months. We don't know.
Starting point is 01:45:53 So a year, I don't know if that changes anyone's feelings on it. I mean, it's definitely enough to get comfortable and, Not leave the prime real estate maybe open the whole time, but again, she's back. Yeah. Time to move. Right. Let us know what you think in the comments. I feel like that one is going to be, it could be divisive for people.
Starting point is 01:46:15 But okay. One last one for us here. Are you ready for this? Mm-hmm. Let me feel the vibe. Vib check. I'm ready for this. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:27 Last but not least, this is coming from R slash release. relationship advice. It is titled, I, 35 male, was caught using AI to write wedding vows and partner 34 female walked out. What do I do? I, 35 male, recently had a wedding with my partner, 34 female. We've had a stable and happy relationship so far, and I love her more than anything in the world. The problem arose when it came to writing vows. Don't get me wrong. I love many things about my partner, but I couldn't figure out how to put them into tangible vows. I decided to use chat to PT so I could have something well-written
Starting point is 01:47:06 and expressive to share at the ceremony. The thing about my partner is that she's very confrontational and no nonsense. If something annoys her, she immediately addresses it with no room for backing out. I also know that she's expressed disdain
Starting point is 01:47:22 for AI in the past, but I didn't realize how far the hatred could go. I don't know how, but she immediately, immediately recognized that the vows were AI. After I finished, she had this angry look and whispered to me, quote, did you use fucking AI to write that?
Starting point is 01:47:41 During the wedding? I was quiet because I couldn't believe she had noticed that, and she was choosing to address it while we were on full display for everyone. She then said that I either speak from the heart or she walks out. Oh my God, no. Keep going. I literally couldn't get any words out. Oh, he's stunned.
Starting point is 01:48:12 And she kept her promise and walked back down the aisle, much to all of our friends and family's confusion. Oh, they didn't hear her. She wasn't mic'd up. Okay. She's been ghosting me these past few days, which is atypical for her, and honestly giving me panic attacks.
Starting point is 01:48:34 Oh, no. Most people agree that calling off a marriage because of AI vows was an overreaction and that maybe it was a sign that our relationship would have issues, but a few female friends have said that they would have done the same. I'm hurt, and I honestly just needed it to help make the day more special. Is this worth fixing?
Starting point is 01:48:56 Honestly, I don't know. Because AI aside, I think it's just the fact that she was, walked out during the, like, right? Like when they're about to, yeah, it just, I wonder, sorry, go on. No, and I was just going to say, and then the ghosting too, it's like to ghost somebody after that, like, like, again, like, you even go back to the Brattle Sweet and chat. Right. And it's like, do you think that he had these horrible intentions when he did that. And if you do think that, then, yeah, like, you guys probably shouldn't get married because if you think that he was like, it was malicious, then, you know, and so, and if you don't think that he was, you know, and so, and if you don't
Starting point is 01:49:33 think it's malicious and it's like, why are you ghosting somebody who wanted to spend the rest of their lives with you and they're going into panic attacks? Like right after you walked out on them in front of all your friends and family and all of your loved ones. It's supposed to be the most special day. And again, like, and you spent a lot of money probably. Exactly. And it's just like, I do understand like being really disappointed and really hurt that like you were really wanting your partner to like speak from the heart and say their own words. Show me why you love me. Right. And I think if you're willing to walk out and ghost your partner after that, that just seems like a really hard, like uphill battle for a marriage because I think, again, if you know him well enough, you know he probably was just trying to get.
Starting point is 01:50:20 And maybe good intentions. Yeah. And if you don't think he did, then it might. It's just, yeah. I understand being hurt and let down while you're there at the altar. should he have used I had to write his boughs? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:50:34 Absolutely not. Like, buddy, I don't know why you thought that would even be a good idea. Like that should have came from your heart and not some paraphrased human computer. Like, that is really shitty.
Starting point is 01:50:46 But she confronted him up there. I understand being shocked. I understand being like deer in headlights. But the fact that like you were, you were literally ready to say, I'll spend the rest of my life with you. and then she walks out, it is an interesting reaction. And it does beg the question of, like, are you even compatible?
Starting point is 01:51:07 Is this worth saving? I don't love AI. I'm very against AI, especially in terms of using it to write your vows. Like, that better come from your heart and our experience and just be so sentimental and so you. Otherwise, I don't want it. Yeah. So I can really get that. But I don't know if I would have.
Starting point is 01:51:28 threw away a marriage and a life with someone if there weren't already a shit ton of cracks. Like there's got to be a lot more going on here. I have a lot of questions with this one. I'm, again, like, very curious why he even would think this is a good idea. Again, kind of like first day on Earth, buddy. Like, did you think AI would be a good way to write your vows that are supposed to be very sentimental and heartfelt? And I feel like for me and Justin, when we talked about our vows, it was like a demonstration. of like our relationship and why we mean so much to each other and like what we are vowing for our future like I promise to always support you even through your toughest days when you don't even believe in yourself like I do think it's a really good opportunity to show your love for this person
Starting point is 01:52:16 and that like I see you I understand you chat GPD doesn't know her and I I fully understand why she's so upset and I'm very confused why he's like kind of like surprised by this but like I think Again, like as you said, AI vows aside, maybe the AI vows aren't like really the issue here. But I'm really curious because I do think there's a lot of cracks, as you're saying, there's got to be other issues. But I'm really curious if she told him before the wedding, please don't use AI. I know you love Chachupit, but like, please don't use it to write your vows. I'm really curious if this was a conversation before this all went down. and that's why her reaction was so big.
Starting point is 01:53:00 Yeah. Explosive. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. And I think is like too though, like with with AI, it's not like I mean, he could have just been like, tell me what I should say when I'm getting married. And he could have just done that.
Starting point is 01:53:11 But he could have literally written out like how much he loves her and then put it in AI and been like, can you make this better and better like more well written? And and then AI could have taken everything that he still came from his heart and cleaned it up so that he didn't sound like an idiot. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I guess I don't know. There's like, there's levels. There's tears to all of this.
Starting point is 01:53:34 We do have a few comments from OP. So let's get into the top comments first. I do see some responses from OP, but I just want to see overall what was best. So top comment, I'm skeptical. Most people told you this is an overreaction. Let's see the vows. most people is just his way of saying chat chippy tea told him. Big red box here.
Starting point is 01:54:03 That's funny. In vain, I've struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you. In declaring myself, thus I'm fully aware that I will be going expressly against the wishes of my family, my friends, and I hardly need add my own better judgment. We, this is, it's a role play.
Starting point is 01:54:26 Oh my God, I was about to faint. That is not O.P. That is someone roleplay and vows. It did get a decent amount of upvotes. Can you imagine. Award. So, no, the next top comment I see here, expressive and AI don't go together.
Starting point is 01:54:47 She was able to figure it out that it was AI because AI doesn't have the same tone as you. You outsourced how much you care of about your partner to a machine, and you're upset she didn't like the idea. I want to say this is fake, but one glance at LinkedIn proves how AI rots the brain and makes you incapable of critical thinking. Let's get into OP's comments. Wow, so everyone thinks that that was a marriage ender?
Starting point is 01:55:12 I think everyone's like, dude, like, what were you thinking? Everyone is, like, very surprised that he would even do this. Like, he would even... Yeah. Because it's like, what... Like, what were you thinking? And I do think like there's there's groups to this AI where it's like some people I hate it, not going to use it.
Starting point is 01:55:33 And then some people are like, it's my best friend. I love chat. Like I chat. Like I'll see it on people's stories where it's like chat like blah blah blah blah. And they ask chat everything. Like chat has become their internal monologue. And so I don't know where a majority of you guys fall. Like I don't use it.
Starting point is 01:55:53 but I surely would not use it for something so meaningful and special as my vows. Like people frame their vows in their home. Yeah. It's weird. But let's see what O.P. is saying. So someone does say here, did you write this with AI too, bud? Come on, man. You should have been talking from the heart.
Starting point is 01:56:15 And O.P. says, no, I could write this just fine. For the vows, it was different because I wanted them to be perfect. And there was a lot I wanted to say. it ended up not being able to say anything. So like kind of describing being overwhelmed. Panic, I wrote my vow this morning of. Like I did procrastinate and panic right them, but I did really inspire greatness if I do say so. O.P. says here, I didn't realize she would be able to tell right away when I spoke of her disdain for AI. People are making it seem like it was a deal breaker that I simply ignored, which isn't the case. I didn't understand that it meant that.
Starting point is 01:56:53 that much to her, and I definitely won't be making the same careless mistake again. Someone says, the thing is, this is a slippery slope. Once you get AI to do something as important as writing your wedding vows, you will even more easily begin an AI to reply to your text messages and creating apology messages when you get into arguments, which you didn't even write, at which point she might as well be in a relationship with Chat Chubu-T instead of you. Opie says, this is the first time using it to write text, and this whole situation scared me off it for good. If I can fix things, hopefully I won't fall into a slippery slope again. Someone commented, $10, she planned the entire wedding. O.P. probably just had this and picking up their tucks to remember
Starting point is 01:57:35 and couldn't even be bothered to put in any effort. O.P. responds, I was involved in the wedding process. She always asked for my opinion, and we came two decisions together. I also paid for half. I'm not some freeloader because if I was, she would have kicked me to the curb a lot sooner. Yeah, people are like really going in. Like, I mean, if his story is what his story is, he was so overwhelmed and nervous. And like, again, like he didn't say like I just said write the entire thing for me. He said I didn't know how to like exactly express exactly how much I love her. And so it's like, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:58:13 People are like acting like he's like the worst human that's ever. And it's like, yeah, like, it was a bad call. But, like, he's not like this malicious. Yeah, they're like all this sound like he was just overwhelmed. They're just like, they're like, I bet you didn't plan the wedding. I bet you're just a piece of shit that like is a worthless scum of the earth. Like I'm just like chill to fuck out on him. No.
Starting point is 01:58:35 I don't know. Some people, like there are some comments he responds to where people are just like, didn't you have an officiant? Like ours offered to help us both individually with vows. Opie was like, I actually thought getting. help from an efficient would be less authentic. I guess I took it an even worse route without even realizing. And it's like, I guess like if you look at that versus let me have this other human influence my vows versus like, I don't know, some thoughtless machine that is my sounding board.
Starting point is 01:59:04 Right. That is just I could see how he would get there. There's a comment here. Last one that he responds to. Someone just asking, are you by chance on the spectrum? And this is. where, like, I'm really surprised this next part comes from them. But they say, I can't imagine the tone-deaf carelessness you exhibited without some kind of neurospicy traits. Parantheses, speaking from an often tone-deaf careless person with odd HD. And I'm like, I get you can relate, but like, kind of worded that almost as a disservice to people that also have that.
Starting point is 01:59:41 I don't know. Yeah. Opie response. This has been brought up before. but I don't have a reason to believe it's true. I've seen two psychiatrists, and none of them had mentioned wanting me to get tested or anything.
Starting point is 01:59:51 I think I just might be a dumbbell. He's really, like, really feeling himself. Like, kind of like, ugh, hurts. I mean, I guess if everyone wants to hate him, I feel bad for him. Sorry. Like... I don't think that's something to be sorry about.
Starting point is 02:00:08 It's, I mean, it's tough. Like, this is a crossroads for a lot of people in life right now. Like, to be able to be. honest, my dad uses AI. Sometimes he would send me AI shit. And I said, don't fucking send me that shit anymore. Called me up the other day. He goes, how's it going? I go, good. And he's like, I wanted to send you something, but I know you don't like AI, so I didn't send it to you. And I go, thank you. We have boundaries around it. It's a crossroads for a lot of people. And again, it was his first wedding, his first time writing vows. First time on earth. First day on earth
Starting point is 02:00:40 doing that specific thing. Yeah. As he said, he won't make that mistake again. But we do get an update. Let's hear it. Are you okay? Are you just feeling so bad for the guy? I feel so bad. Like he's like his, his partner just like walked out on him, ghosted him. He's having panic attacks.
Starting point is 02:00:59 Panic attacks. He goes to like the internet to be like, am I a bad human? And then then everyone's like, yeah, you're a bad human. Like I just feel I'm like, I mean, like you said it's a new thing for the world. Like AI is new for the world and it's weird. It's confusing. and like I just, yeah, he made a mistake. Have some grace for the guy?
Starting point is 02:01:21 Yeah, it's new. I see that. I don't know. I'm with you. Again, I still think it's crazy he went there, but maybe there is some truth to that comment or being like, are you, you know, are you neuro atypical? Like, what's, maybe there's just lack of social cues or something, like, whatever. Or like, what if he put in a sentence and was like, can you make this, like, sound more eloquent?
Starting point is 02:01:41 And it was like, I love you because you remind me of the sky and I love the. sky and you're my favorite person the entire world. And then AI, it's like made it like a little bit more like, Chloe made him sound less like an idiot. Like I'm really curious. Yeah. I'm really curious what they were because the way that she just clocked it, I'm like, what were that? Yeah, that's, I would, I wish he would, I wish he could give it to us because then that would give us so much more contacts. They never get shared. And I, from scanning the update, I don't see it there. But let's get into it. Okay. Update. I honestly wasn't planning to do an update after all. because of how humiliating this entire situation has been.
Starting point is 02:02:18 I didn't want to give any more reason for people to rip me apart, but now that my story is posted on a popular YouTube channel, there probably won't be much of an escape route for me. There's no doubt people we know will find it now, so I wanted to give the short update everyone has been itching to get. I did what I said previously, and I told her about the Reddit post and how the replies gave me her perspective and that I was sorry.
Starting point is 02:02:40 She ended up getting even more angry with me about, quote, posting our business, even though our names weren't mentioned, and that she couldn't believe I needed online strangers to tell me why I was wrong. Also, apparently my mom was texting her about paying back all the wasted wedding money, and she used that against me too, which I don't think is fair. I have no control over what my family does. Snacks and flowers didn't do much. She refuses to give me another chance, even after offering to go to couples counseling. So yeah, the wedding is never happening again.
Starting point is 02:03:17 It's over. This has been the most horrendous time in my life. I've thought about giving up all together. See, that's so fucked up. Meanwhile, she's posting about brunch with friends on her social media. Makes me wonder how she could move on that fast while I'm a wreck. People have accused me of not caring about her enough, to write my own vows, yet the difference in our reactions to splitting up say the reverse.
Starting point is 02:03:45 I hope you're all happy. Feel free to rub salt in the wound. I'm not coming back to this account. This is so depressing. It's really sad. I hate this entire story. I'm sorry. He's things about giving up completely.
Starting point is 02:04:03 It's just like. That is devastating. Oh my God. Like I don't like we don't even know the details of like what like what like. Yeah, and it's just like, yeah, like, I hope he's out there. I hope he, like, comes across this and I hope he sees like, hey, there's another side to it. And like, the only one, the fucking lone soldier right here. Like, advocating that he's not a horrible person.
Starting point is 02:04:25 I don't think he's a horrible person. I'm confused why he would think it was a good idea to use it. But I understand being overwhelmed. But is it that confusing? Like, like, when people are so anxious about their vows and then there's this, like, thing that's like. Again, I was. I procrastinated until the morning. And then, like, they think they're going to sound like a complete idiot.
Starting point is 02:04:42 And then they think, oh, here's this, like, source that's going to help me put in my thoughts. Like, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt. I guess I don't know. What he, yeah. I mean, he basically said this was, like, the first and last time I'll use it. Right. And so, like, puts in, like, his thoughts, like, maybe, like, maybe benefit of doubt, like that he was put in his thoughts that were, like, actually how he feels and then asked AI to make it sound better. And then AI made it sound better as AI.
Starting point is 02:05:04 You know, like, let's just say that's the case. And then it's just, like, so, like, the aggressive. of hate. Like, yes, of course. Of course everyone should write their own vows. And like that is definitely like a thing to like put out there to everyone. Write your own vows. We're going to have AI like it's not going to go away. It's going to continue to be louder and louder. It's going to be a part of the world. It's a part of, you know, when you go to a fast food restaurant, they're using AI. They are every company is using AI. So like you're you can't fully get away with it even if you're not clicking in it. So it's just like it's all around. It's really being forced upon us
Starting point is 02:05:37 everywhere. Exactly. And so I think that like, I think this is a good moment to like be like, remember to write your own vows and remember to not get lost in the fact that it's going to be pushed all over the place and still be you and still use your own thoughts even if they seem more dumb. Like it's good to be authentic. It's good to be human. It's good to be human. It's good to make mistakes. It's good to sound stupid. Humans make mistakes. Yeah. Here you go. Yeah. Your life is still worth living. Exactly. You are going to go on and find someone who, I honestly, I don't know if she loves him. Like, I'm going to, like, I think her reaction again.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Unhealthy relationship. Unhealthy conflict resolution. Unhealthy communication. You're going to go on and you're going to find someone who's amazing and loves you. And maybe the next time your vows won't even be hard to write because you have such clarity on that person. And you love them so much that it just spills out of you. Or maybe you sound like an idiot when you say your vows. And that's, and your partner laughs so hard because they love what you.
Starting point is 02:06:36 when you sound like an idiot when you try to express your love. It's a part of you they love. Yeah. Absolutely. I am definitely going to sign an OPM message in case he happens to ponder on that account. I just feel like so heartbroken that he got like dumped at the altar and then everybody is just like, yeah, you're a piece of shit. Like I don't, it's just like, oh my God. Like.
Starting point is 02:06:55 Yeah. And he didn't, he wasn't trying to be awful, you know? Like there's a lot of people that try to be awful. No. I genuinely think this is one of those human mistakes that just. happened and that's the beauty and humanness. We are going to make mistakes. We're not going to get it right all the time.
Starting point is 02:07:12 We're not all knowing beings. Who am I? It was Morgan. Maybe I was reincarnated. Maybe I was someone else before. But it feels like my first time doing this for sure. So no, I think it's good to have grace. And I think that is what makes us human.
Starting point is 02:07:29 And again, just two takes here. Everyone's going to see it a different way. There's a lot of sides to a dice, two sides to a coin for sure. That's for sure, yeah. For sure. I know that. But, yeah, you know, I just, and that's the thing, too, that I do, like, want to continue to, like, convey to people because obviously we're on here and we're judging anonymous stories. But I do think it's tough when we come across, when I come across things on the internet, even if it's celebrities, the way that people are so unforgiving about celebrities making mistakes. and people making mistakes in general.
Starting point is 02:08:05 Or like I'll see somebody gets bit by a shark. And it's like, oh, someone was bit by a shark. And then the comments are just like, well, you're an idiot for going. Like you deserve to die because you went in the shark's land. And it's just like, can we just like be nicer to each other and like be human and just like remember to give grace? And that like people say stupid things. People mess up. People make mistakes.
Starting point is 02:08:28 Like people do things they regret. Like let's just all give each other like a little more grace. and give each other a little more love. Yeah, well, I think, too, with Reddit, remember, like, potentially, a lot of times, I would say most times, there's a human on the other side of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:08:47 There's a human on the other side of that. And, you know, there's, unfortunately, came across my page the other day where this Fox rehabber actually, you know, because of comments online. And it's just shouldn't be like that. No, exactly. So be kind.
Starting point is 02:09:07 I think everyone out there today, like, take this as a reminder of like compliment someone, do something nice, pay it forward in some way. Like, I just think we are in this world and we're, we are creators of the world we want to live in. And I know obviously a lot is out of our control and it can feel paralyzing and overwhelming and just catastrophic most days. I've really been going through it this week. So just a little reminder of like just be kind. Like someone like smiling at someone complimenting them could make a huge difference, a big impact. And let you be the person that makes someone's day. Like how good does that feel?
Starting point is 02:09:45 So just be nice. Be kind. I also, that was beautiful. And I also saw something that was like to be a human is to be a hypocrite, which is so. I love that. Well, it's so funny to me because it's like I used to be like, oh, hypocrites bother me so much. Like, I'm probably hypocrite too. Like, we all have moments.
Starting point is 02:10:03 I contradict myself week to week. Yeah. And I've noticed it with everybody in the entire world. I vibe. There's always, there's always going to be a moment where, like, you're judging somebody for something that, like, you've probably done in a different relationship or, like, on some capacity. Like, it's just like we. Clined by the seat of my pants.
Starting point is 02:10:19 How I feel on a day is going to totally impact how I act, behave, what I say. Yeah. So just remember to try to be, to be kind to people. It's okay to, like, get angry and bitch. about stuff and be mad and like judge people but like but also have those moments to come back down to earth and be like I'm I'm imperfect too so beautiful love you guys love you guys so much we are also going to be doing more of these stories over on Patreon and again like we're gonna I think have more stories where it's like whose first day on earth is it within the story and that's how all
Starting point is 02:10:52 of these are kind of intended to it's like whose first day on earth was it yeah is it their first day or you know are they well experienced and maybe it's our first day, as we found in the tamarind story. Yeah, with me and the passachio. But this will be, again, a bonus episode over on Patreon. Patreon, I don't do ad for you guys. It is all new stories, new content. It's not repeated anything. So head on over. There's also an upcoming theme called Jump Scare. You guys are going to see very soon. Patreon episode for that. So come join us over on Patreon. Free stuff too. So just come be a part of the family. Anything else, Lowen?
Starting point is 02:11:32 No, I just, I'm so glad to be here. Until next time, guys. Bye, guys. Bye.

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